No learning from repetition. We drove to NC from West Palm Beach. Car was never out of Palm Beach county before. The S drove us to and from NC. I can only think of 1-2 interventions. It was fabulous. Including Supercharging.
I love hearing this. reinforces hope. I have the same wonderful experience with FSD. some people don't? not sure why unless they are just expecting too much too soon. I say if it will get you there safe that's a win. and after almost 15k miles on FSD I still here..... :)
@@teslatalks9836 Part of it is different expectations and sensitivities (e.g. every guy I put in the car thinks FSD is awesome but every woman I've had in it is stressed AF by every minor issue ;p), but another big part is that it absolutely performs very differently in different parts of the country. I've watched all kinds of FSD vids over the past years and the performance I see in CA is leagues beyond what I experience here in WA. Presumably, that is because CA has by far the densest population of Teslas, so that's where most of the training data comes from, I expect. But I hope they're able to get it that good everywhere, cuz I haven't seen real improvement in almost 2 years 😢
Great video and loved your analogy to aircraft. I have a military aviation background and some of the legacy vehicles remind me of fighter cockpits designed in the 50's and 60's. The F35 is now dominated by touch screens for a reason.
exactly, and don't forget to add cup holders, LOL I feel bad for Jim Farley at Ford, he appreciates what Tesla is doing, He is trying so hard to get in the game and ford puts a dial right smack on the touch screen. some of the old timers need to retire. :)
@@teslatalks9836 The F-111 back in the day had spots for a coffee thermos for both the pilot and nav, lol. I agree, of all the legacy CEO's Jim seems to be the most switched on. Toyota are the other end of the specrum, they've completely lost the plot
Yeah I am trying this free FSD for a month and am really impressed. There are some issues though. One big one that I have noticed is merging on the highway from the right. Even on the street it leaves the maneuver too late, doesn’t signal, squeezes left and often fails and forces itself out of FSD. Or when exiting a highway it signals to go into the right lane, starts to move over, hesitates and comes back a bit, then goes. Makes me look like I’m unsure about where I am going. But overall I love it and may purchase later.
V12.3+ has been merging better for me (even using the turn signal, finally!) but it refuses to lane-change for construction-blocked lanes until absolutely forced over and I've also been getting aborted lane-changes frequently (as in it aborts its own lane-change), which I never really had in any previous version. Also refuses to pass slow traffic sometimes and the speed control is pretty random. Highway is definitely a bit of a mess for it right now, but that's probably why they didn't actually put highway on the new version (I just have it early, due to some weird circumstances).
That unprotected left was wild! I just got back from my first drive with FSD and I was surprised a few times when it entered a roadway after a turn and it accelerated away like someone was after me! It got up to the speed limit faster than I probably would have, but it kinda makes sense if there’s a flow of traffic moving at a good clip around you. The worst thing it did was not driving through on a flashing yellow turn light after it turned solid yellow. The car had already committed to the turn and we were stopped halfway into the intersection and I ended up taking over and driving through a red light. I looked like an idiot. Also, roads need better marking as things move forward with FSD and other driving software systems and there will frequently be edge cases that confuse FSD. Still, it’s pretty impressive what these cars are doing right now.
Around 15:00 at that red light it seems that it was waiting for that left turn light to turn green, because your lane was aligned to where the light is. And for the lane change just after that, you should disengage and provide voice feedback to the Tesla team (if you haven't done so before).
The only problem with touch sliders on the screen is they are impossible to adjust accurately while bumping along in the car! Try adjusting one of the old small sat nav zoom sliders 😮
lots of humans wont take that turn. You have to wait for the right moment. And I know Waymo could not complete that task. nobody has better autonomy then Tesla's FSD. Mark my word, Ford will probably be the first to accept the hardware and licensing. then all the others will follow suite. Just as they did with the Supper chargers.
@@teslatalks9836 _"Ford will probably be the first to accept the hardware and licensing. then all the others will follow suite."_ I hope they do, and soon. And it doesn't have to be limited to EVs only. This is the next evolution in driving and one that has the potential to save money and lives. Just imagine if half the cars on the road knew what the other cars surrounding it were going to do. Exciting times.
@@ragnarocking I doubt Elon would allow FSD to be licensed on ICVs. He will use it as another forcing function to get people to switch to EVs. And, frankly, I'm not even sure it would work on ICVs, since they only have the 12-volt battery architecture, which is weak, inconsistent, and messy.
@@catbert7 you’re probably right. I’m not really familiar with the tech side of this. Also, good point about Elon likely wanting to keep this on EVs only
Very insightful commentary. really helps in understanding the drive. I wonder how the interventions will reduce, when the mapping data (directions and speed limits) are corrected.
when it failed to proceed at the signal, it may have been a bit confused, as the turn lanes red light is closer in line with your lane than the turn lane!
At 12:32 it changes the speed limit to 50. That’s the reason it speeds up. Before that, it just had the wrong nav data. We’ll see this bug in some places but it’s not a problem of FSD just a combination of wrong nav data and absence of speed signs.
It's a good observation whether it knows the roads or tries to figure it out every time. It may have some kind of HD mapping and its confusion could come from imperfection in its logic, rather than not knowing the roads. Like when it wobbles between lanes despite clearly seeing them.
I know, people do that sometimes if they are in a new town and not sure which way to go. Maybe the logic will speed up with time and updates, to the point where we don't even notice anymore.
Yeah 12.3 took me behind Walmart today and then kind of got confused about how to make the turn to come out to the front and I had to intervene. Strange.
@@teslatalks9836 I’m sneaky like that sometimes so thought it a potentially brilliant move until it missed the final “turn” and almost exited the parking lot. Will be interesting to see the evolution.
My thing with lack of buttons is that for a lot of driver tasks, an analog button is still going to be faster to execute something. With a touchscreen, you have no tactility, and your fingers have to be more precise which is harder to do when driving (e.g an A/C knob vs a small caret on the screen)
I use the Ball on the steering wheel a lot and if it is something complex I will just put it into FSD until I'm done with my task. but most of the time I'm in FSD, I just like it that much.
At 15:24 the vehicle appears to be reasonable. Once through the intersection and until past the semi trailer, the right lane isn’t marked as lane ending. As soon as the first arrow on the pavement for the lane ending appears on your display (just past the trailer) the vehicle corrects itself to stay in the left lane. Remember, you have been there before while, in theory, the neuronet hasn’t.
@@teslatalks9836 Thanks. Another thing you may want to point out to your subs on the next video is that (in my experience) it seems that v12.3.3 recognizes turn signals on other vehicles. Twice yesterday on the highway on the way to work, vehicles in the left lane (one semi and one passenger car) put on their signal to come over into my lane. They were not merging over into my lane, but FSD backed off and let them over very naturally. I was in Average mode. Assertive may behave differently. I wish Telsa had a technical doc on this.
Highlights: 1:20: Excellent busy UPL. 2:40: Not bothered by flashing yellows on highway. 5:28: Yeah, this is something that is overlooked almost everytime non-owners talk about Tesla controls. They don't mention that you can do all the typical while-driving things from the 2 contextual scroll-wheels, and that and much more from the voice commands. Drives me nuts, no pun intended. 9:40: Or tired, or reaching for something, or eating, or puttin' on his makeup... There's endless reasons for humans being distracted. And I can't wait for them to get in the backseat. 11:20: Speed limit wrong. 15:05: Fails to go at green light. The lane change after is because it doesn't recognize it's a turn lane, for some reason. It may be wanting to get in the slow lane due to traffic behind? Glad it's doing so much better for you! In my area, V12.3 was a bit of a step back; it fixed a few issues but brought a lot of new ones in, especially on the highway. 12.3.3 fixed a couple of those. I wouldn't say it's better than v11 here yet but we'll see what happens in the next month or two. Hoping E2E progresses much faster than before. I haven't really seen any improvement here in almost 2 years 😑
As soon as they see it safe. this trail run will give a lot of data to the team. the problem is when they remove a safety systemTesla becomes more responsible for accidents.
Trying FS 12.3xx first time and it was good but not perfect. 3 take over and got my first honk in 8 + years of driving. The MYLR on a right turn took too long to make a right with cars far on the other side to do so. I had to take over. The other two were making unnecessary U-turn when it can make a left early on to the lot. Did not slow down for speed bump until it hit the first bump then it slowed. Driving on standard. Might try aggressive mode later.
yes, I did also notice that sometimes it will hit the first speed bump then slow for the others properly. The car is driving really well and from here on out should just be polish in each update. Maybe?
It doesn't matter if it's always a first time drive. FSD has multitasking and 8 cameras and HW3 can process 2000 times a second. This is like driving in slooooow moooootion. With the right patterns it's ez for a computer to drive everywhere. It all depends on the right data.
Glad you enjoyed it. yes I hope you all get it soon. I think the UK might be a little more stringent with rules of the road. hopefully they will see the safety advantages.
Why can't it do a simple thing like cruise control though? If I'm on the highway and want to set it to 65 in a 60, it just won't stay there. Sometimes, it won't even do the speed limit even if I have it set over. It's so annoying.
@@teslatalks9836 There are a bunch of settings, none of them will actually let you set a speed and have it stay there. It used to do this, v12 doesn't.
@@teslatalks9836 I’ve done 555 miles in the past 6 days, 525 of which were on FSD. Never had anywhere near that confidence on v10 or v11, so definitely a great experience so far. Just installed 12.3.3, I’ll give it a run tomorrow.
I was just in Modesto this past weekend visiting family right there off of Ladd and McHenry/Tully. I've had FSD since 9.x and the 25 in a 55 map data issue is something I've been reporting for years with no fix 😢 I think for Tesla to really be full self driving they need to have dynamically updated maps as cars drive by rather than relying on map data, similar to how a human remembers different signs and parts of the road after they've driven it. The driving has gotten amazing but the map data is holding it back
First unprotected left is something that probably does not exist in EU... so maybe it will also be easier to introduce it to EU when times comes as generally on such a busy road there would be a traffic light or some other way not to make such a left turn... maybe a roundabout
I'm coming at this as a newbie to FSD. Many others who've been driving the old FSD version for some time, feel quite differently than I do. Additionally, I'm coming at it as a fairly conservative driver in a fairly laid back country town in Florida. Where I live there's no need to be in a mad rush. Give a little time and wait a bit and there will be openings to get into traffic, etc. I don't need to shave 30 seconds off my drive, as I'm no more than 7 miles from home. Having been hit by another car who was in a mad rush recently, I really prefer to reduce the risk taking these days. I drove FSD on the 30 day trial for two days. I don't drive a lot and only drove into town for appointments, etc. Overall it is definitely amazing technology but I'm not going to judge FSD technical accomplishments; and it did some incredible decision making in difficult situations for me! I have to give it one WOW! Instead I'm judging by my comfort level in letting the car do all the driving instead of me doing the driving. Right now I'm not convinced to buy FSD. I characterize FSD's driving as a “city rush” type of driver or even a “Southern California driver” or a “Northeast City driver”. Gotta get there and get there quick, time is of the essence, don't be concerned about cutting anyone off because everyone does it. Use all that acceleration and use it often. It's “survival driving” IMHO. I can and have done it hundreds of thousands of miles when I lived in a big city. But I don't need to do that here. Sometimes FSD took me completely by surprise, weaving, pulling out VERY fast acceleration. I definitely did not have time to “Supervise” and that makes me feel somewhat unsafe. I have a 22 Model 3 P. It is fast as hell and I love it. But I use that acceleration judiciously and when it's safe to do so. It seems FSD uses it as much as possible. I have it in “Chill” but it's still way too aggressive for around here. I feel like I'm a tourist from NYC visiting rural Florida when FSD is at the wheel. The braking is better than older versions and better than Autopilot but it brakes a little too hard too early. It should brake a bit more gently when the braking begins. I've had people come really close to rear-ending me. Other than that it's quite amazing. But the price is way too high for the value it provides for me, the anxiety it creates, and the fact that I can't bring it with me makes it a sketchy investment. I'm pretty certain I'll not be buying FSD.
I have said they need to make Chill really CHILL. like you say more laid back for a slower environment. like in Hawaii. they are on Hawaiian Time. my Bother wont even move back to California he cant stand the bustle. but the Tesla team will get it right, Just a matter of time. Patience my friend, they will fix it. :)
I have a pretty similar experience and opinion to you. However I think it's already good enough for me to consider becoming an Uber driver with it. And. As someone said. This is the worst it will ever be. In a year this thing will be polished. I think FSD is priced to NOT sell. They actively do not want to sell it because once it gets to L4 (and then L5) they can sell it for much more. They would rather have you subscribe (and it has NOT been worthwhile up to now to do so) so they can increase the subscription price to what the market will bear). I don't trust FSD at all and even as there are a few things about it I currently don't like (acceleration is way too hard even in CHILL mode), I do feel comfortable and confident when it drives. Some polishing and the experience will improve by leaps and bounds. Eventually I think the car will adapt to drive more like the local traffic (it somewhat mimics that now by following traffic which is a crude way of doing it). Much more memory and processing power is required for this as well as new AI abilities.
@@johannel8104 Thank you for your comments. Generally we seem to be on the same page. However, these BEV's are not ready for Uber. I've seen tragedy after tragedy of Uber drivers with Tesla. The battery just isn't ready for such hard use. The Supercharger charge time is too slow for a business where time is money. And the battery degrades rapidly under such use. I think Tesla is beginning to warn purchasers of this situation. Once they improve battery technology for: Faster charges; little degradation from many rapid charges; and more range per charge, then it may be ready for Uber. IMHO if I chose to Uber I'd get a hybrid. We also own a Prius and it's a great machine. For a use case such as Uber, I think it's a better choice. Respectfully, George
Great video, If I may ask, how many miles do you drive per year? They gave me this version today as well and it seems you are on the only person on youtube with this exact software version.
Agreed on both, mapping and Merge lanes. I'm on 12.3 and I feel it lingers too long on Merge lanes waiting till the end to move over, or gets into a merging lane which is pointless. Also feel the mapping is still dicey, and sometimes turns into places not where the map shows the turn, or sometimes misses the turn.
I just received the free 30-day trial and I used it without any issues on the freeways from San Bernardino to Carlsbad and back. But using it at night on city streets, it twice slammed its breaks on yellow lights when there was more than enough time to cross. If there was a car behind me, I could have been rear-ended. That needs to be fixed ASAP.
my son also complained about that I have not had any problems like that. mine actually works better at night. no sun in its eyes. maybe your windshield had a bug by the front cameras. what ver firmware do you have. I have 3
In spite of not owning a Tesla, from what I see on TH-cam I also have the impression that the car has no "memory of exploration" - which would, of course, further improve its safety and self-assurance 10 fold. Also, passing on messages about closed roads and so on to other cars in the neighborhood would be helpful for traffic management.
I was talking to my EU friends about self driving cars being something that will happen within the next year or two and they have no faith in that statement. My mother thinks self driving cars will be after her lifetime (she's 55 right now and healthy). People arent ready for when Tesla gets approval to have people take their cars and sleep in them while they drive. Going to be so fun to show them.
That'll happen when every car on the street is capable of full self driving and all of them can communicate with each other (this is the bigger problem of the two imo) Is it possible? Of course, but not within a year or two for heavy traffic areas at least, let alone cities and towns.
Excellent drive, thanks for sharing. I do think you are underestimating how much the AI can learn all by itself…. I don’t think hard coding is involved in decision and estimations.
yes that is probably the worst one I have seen because of that blind traffic coming into it. and a lot of people don't even use their blinkers when turning.
Just remember that the highway stack is still on V11. Once they replace that with V12 you'll likely see a lot of highway improvements. We've heard Tesla is actively testing V12 on the highway.
Yeah, it got up to 20mph in my neighborhood with a speed limit of 10. Besides there being a lot of children in our neighborhood, there’s speed bumps that the car doesn’t give a hoot about! Still, I think these issues will get ironed out. We’re all part of the training of the software. Think about how much faster the training/learning will progress with all of us playing with it for 30 days! It’s certainly not worth $12,000, but it’s a pretty cool party trick.
@@bluedog9935Being able to legally (and safely) sleep in the back seat while the car goes state to state (incl rechargint itself) is worth $12k for me
I was so surprised when driving a Tesla in Georgia. The speed limits is nog accessible from a digital source as we have back home in Sweden. US infrastructure is a mess.
everytime i drive, i try my fucking best to avoid those unprotected left lane turns. Those lanes make me so fucking anxious , it doesnt fucking help either when someone is on ur ass and trying to speed you up fromm behind. I fucken just hate those kinds of turns . Especially when ur in LA , and its busy as fuck... literally cars constantly coming from the right and left... youd have to time it perfectly to get through.
You’re insane for using this at a intersection like that lol 😂🤣 I don’t have the courage I try then when I see it start pulling out slowly to check for traffic at the intersection and then stop and hesitate I just deactivate.
*Nag won't be going away until FSD gets government approval. *All my settings are on AUTO and I never change anything. *I just don't wish to be driven around by my car. I still enjoy driving my wheels. *
@@teslatalks9836 I just went out and got a Vanilla Bean Frappe at Starbucks before closure and then stopped at the Tesla dealer on El Camino to get the software update while I sipped my frappe. Updating was pretty quick and there was a quick flash on the screen about an autopilot update. Not understanding what it meant and not having used AP in over a year, I hate the nag and don't travel at all, I'm 81. On a whim, I toggled AP as soon as I was heading in the right direction home. It went all the way home on AP on city streets. Down El Camino, Mary Ave., Middlefied Rd., Castro Street and then a couple of turns before my driveway. All on AP????? on city streets, wtf! Unless I have an FSD demo which I'll check more thoroughly tomorrow, I don't understand what just happened. I'm pretty shocked right now because that drive home was perfect......like, perfectly perfect!!! What the hell is going on? Even the nag didn't bother me as I kept two fingers on the wheel and just gave a little resistance to steering wheel movements. It turned just like I would and accelerated from stops just like I would and...........well wtf is going on. I was very entertained!
@@teslatalks9836Just got my software update and found I also received a FSD demo for 30 days. I thought that was just for new sales! Drove home from the Tesla dealer on El Camino in Sunnyvale to Mountain View using FSD. I was blown away! It was perfect and I was very entertained.
Last night I uploaded my cars software and discovered the FSD demo. I was under the impression it was only going to be available on new car sales. I was doing the update at the Tesla dealer on El Camino in Sunnyvale. Set the destination for home in Mountain View and was absolutely astounded as it drove just like I would.....pretty shocking. It did have one hiccup. It failed to stay to the right at one intersection where that's required if you wish to proceed straight through. I was very entertained! Doubtful I'll ever purchase because at 81, I simply don't drive much anymore. A bit over three years owned and only 12,500 on the odometer. If they gave me a huge discount, I'd go for it but at 12 grand it would just make no sense. It is nice to know if I become unable to drive that this option is available.
yes, and I think that could be a problem. since they stripped out 300k lines of code, Maybe it freed up enough room for a little memory for tricky spots that a person travels a lot. that would be nice.
@@teslatalks9836 I ll simply exaplin how FSD works. Tesla needs to specifically train the scenario in house and then update the vehicles. There is no such thing as vehicle memory in FSD (not yet at least). What you have in your car is like a photo of what is actually a video, if you knwo what i mean.
Got my 30-day trial yesterday and it drove the car on three drives yesterday in Atlanta traffic. Mind blown.
Awesome.
I am loving the fsd. It’s crazy how it gets better with every ride.
I drove mine with FSD and It's amazing. Drove me through everything without any issue. It drives like a human. Love it.
you have a Chauffeur for life. :) What other car Co.
has that...mmmm....Crickets.
@@d.r.656 🤣
That first unprotected left was pretty amazing.
yes, it can be nerve racking, to say the least. but the car is finally pulling it off.
i entirely , if i can... avoid these kinds of lanes
where can i see that?
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@@matthiasgrunwald895 1:20
No learning from repetition. We drove to NC from West Palm Beach. Car was never out of Palm Beach county before. The S drove us to and from NC. I can only think of 1-2 interventions. It was fabulous. Including Supercharging.
I love hearing this. reinforces hope. I have the same wonderful experience with FSD. some people don't? not sure why unless they are just expecting too much too soon. I say if it will get you there safe that's a win. and after almost 15k miles on FSD I still here..... :)
It just suck it so expensive I would love to get it but I can't justify the spending with my current income
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@@teslatalks9836 Part of it is different expectations and sensitivities (e.g. every guy I put in the car thinks FSD is awesome but every woman I've had in it is stressed AF by every minor issue ;p), but another big part is that it absolutely performs very differently in different parts of the country. I've watched all kinds of FSD vids over the past years and the performance I see in CA is leagues beyond what I experience here in WA. Presumably, that is because CA has by far the densest population of Teslas, so that's where most of the training data comes from, I expect. But I hope they're able to get it that good everywhere, cuz I haven't seen real improvement in almost 2 years 😢
Great video and loved your analogy to aircraft. I have a military aviation background and some of the legacy vehicles remind me of fighter cockpits designed in the 50's and 60's. The F35 is now dominated by touch screens for a reason.
exactly, and don't forget to add cup holders, LOL
I feel bad for Jim Farley at Ford, he appreciates what Tesla is doing, He is trying so hard to get in the game and ford puts a dial right smack on the touch screen. some of the old timers need to retire. :)
@@teslatalks9836 The F-111 back in the day had spots for a coffee thermos for both the pilot and nav, lol.
I agree, of all the legacy CEO's Jim seems to be the most switched on. Toyota are the other end of the specrum, they've completely lost the plot
I agree, his analogies to aircraft’s autopilot and glass cockpits are spot on. 👍🏻
@@EV-Red Well, VW had a CEO who got it but they fired him for it ;p
Yeah I am trying this free FSD for a month and am really impressed. There are some issues though. One big one that I have noticed is merging on the highway from the right. Even on the street it leaves the maneuver too late, doesn’t signal, squeezes left and often fails and forces itself out of FSD. Or when exiting a highway it signals to go into the right lane, starts to move over, hesitates and comes back a bit, then goes. Makes me look like I’m unsure about where I am going. But overall I love it and may purchase later.
what mode are you in. chill, average or assertive?
Average.
V12.3+ has been merging better for me (even using the turn signal, finally!) but it refuses to lane-change for construction-blocked lanes until absolutely forced over and I've also been getting aborted lane-changes frequently (as in it aborts its own lane-change), which I never really had in any previous version. Also refuses to pass slow traffic sometimes and the speed control is pretty random. Highway is definitely a bit of a mess for it right now, but that's probably why they didn't actually put highway on the new version (I just have it early, due to some weird circumstances).
That unprotected left was wild! I just got back from my first drive with FSD and I was surprised a few times when it entered a roadway after a turn and it accelerated away like someone was after me! It got up to the speed limit faster than I probably would have, but it kinda makes sense if there’s a flow of traffic moving at a good clip around you. The worst thing it did was not driving through on a flashing yellow turn light after it turned solid yellow. The car had already committed to the turn and we were stopped halfway into the intersection and I ended up taking over and driving through a red light. I looked like an idiot. Also, roads need better marking as things move forward with FSD and other driving software systems and there will frequently be edge cases that confuse FSD. Still, it’s pretty impressive what these cars are doing right now.
what version do you have?
where can i see that?
@@matthiasgrunwald895 In App: Scroll to bottom -> Click Release Notes
In car: Main menu -> Software
Around 15:00 at that red light it seems that it was waiting for that left turn light to turn green, because your lane was aligned to where the light is. And for the lane change just after that, you should disengage and provide voice feedback to the Tesla team (if you haven't done so before).
I'm going to run it again and see if it does it again. yes should have sent it in.
Great commentary, great analysis, great video. Subbed.
Thanks.
So far I love it. Its learning every drive too. Its amazing.
Great to hear!
Wonderful! Happy Easter!
Omg, I can't wait until morning 😎👀
I know right, like Christmas in spring.
Love your analogy of buttons.. “more tech = less buttons” love the minimalistic approach on my 3
& Y
I know, right. Tesla, anything else is just a flip phone.
The only problem with touch sliders on the screen is they are impossible to adjust accurately while bumping along in the car!
Try adjusting one of the old small sat nav zoom sliders 😮
True elegance is maximum functionality with minimal complexity.
@@paulmeynell8866 What slider are you trying to use while driving? Or do you mean as a passenger?
LOL @ the build-up to the unprotected left. I was literally at the edge of my seat.
lots of humans wont take that turn. You have to wait for the right moment. And I know Waymo could not complete that task. nobody has better autonomy then Tesla's FSD. Mark my word, Ford will probably be the first to accept the hardware and licensing. then all the others will follow suite. Just as they did with the Supper chargers.
@@teslatalks9836 _"Ford will probably be the first to accept the hardware and licensing. then all the others will follow suite."_
I hope they do, and soon. And it doesn't have to be limited to EVs only. This is the next evolution in driving and one that has the potential to save money and lives. Just imagine if half the cars on the road knew what the other cars surrounding it were going to do. Exciting times.
@@teslatalks9836 Of course Waymo couldn't do it, it's out of their operational territory ;p
Also on a highway, which they apparently find too scary.
@@ragnarocking I doubt Elon would allow FSD to be licensed on ICVs. He will use it as another forcing function to get people to switch to EVs. And, frankly, I'm not even sure it would work on ICVs, since they only have the 12-volt battery architecture, which is weak, inconsistent, and messy.
@@catbert7 you’re probably right. I’m not really familiar with the tech side of this. Also, good point about Elon likely wanting to keep this on EVs only
Very insightful commentary. really helps in understanding the drive. I wonder how the interventions will reduce, when the mapping data (directions and speed limits) are corrected.
I think that is almost the last step. For me anyway.
I like that you engage FSD right at the parking spot
I know that is cool. RoboTaxi Ready...?
It never let me engage it from my driveway before but it does now!
when it failed to proceed at the signal, it may have been a bit confused, as the turn lanes red light is closer in line with your lane than the turn lane!
interesting. I'll take a look at that.
Thought the same thing. The red L light confused it.
At 12:32 it changes the speed limit to 50. That’s the reason it speeds up. Before that, it just had the wrong nav data. We’ll see this bug in some places but it’s not a problem of FSD just a combination of wrong nav data and absence of speed signs.
oh, well I hope that's something they can fix.
Mine does the same thing where it moves to the right with a merging lane to the left. It confuses everybody around you including me.
yes I just wink at people getting upset with the way my Tesla drives. after all it is a student driver.
Mine does it too. People just assume it is you driving that way🤷🏻♀️.
@@teslatalks9836That could be a great idea. Putting up a sign that says "New student on board (Tesla FSD)"
It's a good observation whether it knows the roads or tries to figure it out every time. It may have some kind of HD mapping and its confusion could come from imperfection in its logic, rather than not knowing the roads. Like when it wobbles between lanes despite clearly seeing them.
I know, people do that sometimes if they are in a new town and not sure which way to go. Maybe the logic will speed up with time and updates, to the point where we don't even notice anymore.
Yeah 12.3 took me behind Walmart today and then kind of got confused about how to make the turn to come out to the front and I had to intervene. Strange.
yes, I noticed that the car likes to go behind stores if it can. less people I guess.
@@teslatalks9836 I’m sneaky like that sometimes so thought it a potentially brilliant move until it missed the final “turn” and almost exited the parking lot. Will be interesting to see the evolution.
9:35 The "DO-JO" hahahahaha, your awesome dude
Maxtrix....Neo... I know Kung Fu,,,, Tesla... Car... I know how to drive. :)
ahahahah!°!! on point!!!!! ;D@@teslatalks9836
Have the auto wipers been fixed yet?
I think they have, they seem to work better. and they don't go off after I have gone through a car wash any more. haven't for a long time now.
My thing with lack of buttons is that for a lot of driver tasks, an analog button is still going to be faster to execute something. With a touchscreen, you have no tactility, and your fingers have to be more precise which is harder to do when driving (e.g an A/C knob vs a small caret on the screen)
I use the Ball on the steering wheel a lot and if it is something complex I will just put it into FSD until I'm done with my task. but most of the time I'm in FSD, I just like it that much.
At 15:24 the vehicle appears to be reasonable. Once through the intersection and until past the semi trailer, the right lane isn’t marked as lane ending. As soon as the first arrow on the pavement for the lane ending appears on your display (just past the trailer) the vehicle corrects itself to stay in the left lane. Remember, you have been there before while, in theory, the neuronet hasn’t.
Nice observance. yes, I believe you cracked the case Sherlock. nice job. Thanks.
@@teslatalks9836 Thanks. Another thing you may want to point out to your subs on the next video is that (in my experience) it seems that v12.3.3 recognizes turn signals on other vehicles. Twice yesterday on the highway on the way to work, vehicles in the left lane (one semi and one passenger car) put on their signal to come over into my lane. They were not merging over into my lane, but FSD backed off and let them over very naturally. I was in Average mode. Assertive may behave differently. I wish Telsa had a technical doc on this.
Great drive. This is indeed no joke!
For sure. Dan O'Dowd is Crapping his pants right now. LOL
Seems you don’t have to put your hands on the steering wheel? Mine is still asking for.
sunglasses. But don't tell anybody. LOL
Looks like potentially the intersection where it didn't go on the green light it was confused by the red left lane turning light.
yes, someone else thought that could be it also.
16:30 you can report bugs using "the ball" as you would put it.
yes if you take it out of FSD when You see the message push the ball and speak what you want the team to hear.
Highlights: 1:20: Excellent busy UPL.
2:40: Not bothered by flashing yellows on highway.
5:28: Yeah, this is something that is overlooked almost everytime non-owners talk about Tesla controls. They don't mention that you can do all the typical while-driving things from the 2 contextual scroll-wheels, and that and much more from the voice commands. Drives me nuts, no pun intended.
9:40: Or tired, or reaching for something, or eating, or puttin' on his makeup... There's endless reasons for humans being distracted. And I can't wait for them to get in the backseat.
11:20: Speed limit wrong.
15:05: Fails to go at green light. The lane change after is because it doesn't recognize it's a turn lane, for some reason. It may be wanting to get in the slow lane due to traffic behind?
Glad it's doing so much better for you! In my area, V12.3 was a bit of a step back; it fixed a few issues but brought a lot of new ones in, especially on the highway. 12.3.3 fixed a couple of those. I wouldn't say it's better than v11 here yet but we'll see what happens in the next month or two. Hoping E2E progresses much faster than before. I haven't really seen any improvement here in almost 2 years 😑
I think they will have great improvement in the months to come. updates are being completed faster and faster.
When do you think they will get rid of the steering wheel nag and use the cabin camera?
As soon as they see it safe. this trail run will give a lot of data to the team. the problem is when they remove a safety systemTesla becomes more responsible for accidents.
I agree with everything you saying about Tesla features and touchless buttons,
Thank you. I know, everything else is so old school.
Trying FS 12.3xx first time and it was good but not perfect. 3 take over and got my first honk in 8 + years of driving. The MYLR on a right turn took too long to make a right with cars far on the other side to do so. I had to take over. The other two were making unnecessary U-turn when it can make a left early on to the lot. Did not slow down for speed bump until it hit the first bump then it slowed. Driving on standard. Might try aggressive mode later.
yes, I did also notice that sometimes it will hit the first speed bump then slow for the others properly. The car is driving really well and from here on out should just be polish in each update. Maybe?
It doesn't matter if it's always a first time drive. FSD has multitasking and 8 cameras and HW3 can process 2000 times a second. This is like driving in slooooow moooootion. With the right patterns it's ez for a computer to drive everywhere. It all depends on the right data.
True. and the robots use the same FSD computer. This is getting exciting.
What city you in?
Modesto, American Graffiti. home town of George Lucas.
Great video thanks a lot, we in the uk can only watch and dream!
Glad you enjoyed it. yes I hope you all get it soon. I think the UK might be a little more stringent with rules of the road. hopefully they will see the safety advantages.
@@teslatalks9836 yes I’m hoping it has such a good safety record that the government won’t be able to stop it here.
Why can't it do a simple thing like cruise control though? If I'm on the highway and want to set it to 65 in a 60, it just won't stay there. Sometimes, it won't even do the speed limit even if I have it set over. It's so annoying.
I believe you can change that in your settings.
@@teslatalks9836 There are a bunch of settings, none of them will actually let you set a speed and have it stay there. It used to do this, v12 doesn't.
209 represent, these are the exact streets I’ve been testing V12. Lol
Awesome. how do you like it so far?
@@teslatalks9836 I’ve done 555 miles in the past 6 days, 525 of which were on FSD. Never had anywhere near that confidence on v10 or v11, so definitely a great experience so far. Just installed 12.3.3, I’ll give it a run tomorrow.
I was just in Modesto this past weekend visiting family right there off of Ladd and McHenry/Tully. I've had FSD since 9.x and the 25 in a 55 map data issue is something I've been reporting for years with no fix 😢
I think for Tesla to really be full self driving they need to have dynamically updated maps as cars drive by rather than relying on map data, similar to how a human remembers different signs and parts of the road after they've driven it. The driving has gotten amazing but the map data is holding it back
I'm using Auto Max, I like it. sometimes it is way over the speed limit though.
First unprotected left is something that probably does not exist in EU... so maybe it will also be easier to introduce it to EU when times comes as generally on such a busy road there would be a traffic light or some other way not to make such a left turn... maybe a roundabout
yes, UK is the King of roundabouts. "oh look kids there's Big Ben". ;) "from the movie Vacation"
And it's only going to get better and better 🎉proud of tesla team working hard 💪
They are amazing. and DoJo, things are about to go crazy.
I'm coming at this as a newbie to FSD. Many others who've been driving the old FSD version for some time, feel quite differently than I do. Additionally, I'm coming at it as a fairly conservative driver in a fairly laid back country town in Florida. Where I live there's no need to be in a mad rush. Give a little time and wait a bit and there will be openings to get into traffic, etc. I don't need to shave 30 seconds off my drive, as I'm no more than 7 miles from home. Having been hit by another car who was in a mad rush recently, I really prefer to reduce the risk taking these days. I drove FSD on the 30 day trial for two days. I don't drive a lot and only drove into town for appointments, etc. Overall it is definitely amazing technology but I'm not going to judge FSD technical accomplishments; and it did some incredible decision making in difficult situations for me! I have to give it one WOW! Instead I'm judging by my comfort level in letting the car do all the driving instead of me doing the driving. Right now I'm not convinced to buy FSD. I characterize FSD's driving as a “city rush” type of driver or even a “Southern California driver” or a “Northeast City driver”. Gotta get there and get there quick, time is of the essence, don't be concerned about cutting anyone off because everyone does it. Use all that acceleration and use it often. It's “survival driving” IMHO. I can and have done it hundreds of thousands of miles when I lived in a big city. But I don't need to do that here. Sometimes FSD took me completely by surprise, weaving, pulling out VERY fast acceleration. I definitely did not have time to “Supervise” and that makes me feel somewhat unsafe. I have a 22 Model 3 P. It is fast as hell and I love it. But I use that acceleration judiciously and when it's safe to do so. It seems FSD uses it as much as possible. I have it in “Chill” but it's still way too aggressive for around here. I feel like I'm a tourist from NYC visiting rural Florida when FSD is at the wheel. The braking is better than older versions and better than Autopilot but it brakes a little too hard too early. It should brake a bit more gently when the braking begins. I've had people come really close to rear-ending me. Other than that it's quite amazing. But the price is way too high for the value it provides for me, the anxiety it creates, and the fact that I can't bring it with me makes it a sketchy investment. I'm pretty certain I'll not be buying FSD.
I have said they need to make Chill really CHILL. like you say more laid back for a slower environment. like in Hawaii. they are on Hawaiian Time. my Bother wont even move back to California he cant stand the bustle. but the Tesla team will get it right, Just a matter of time. Patience my friend, they will fix it. :)
@@teslatalks9836 I appreciate the clarity of your reply. Thanks
I have a pretty similar experience and opinion to you. However I think it's already good enough for me to consider becoming an Uber driver with it. And. As someone said. This is the worst it will ever be. In a year this thing will be polished.
I think FSD is priced to NOT sell. They actively do not want to sell it because once it gets to L4 (and then L5) they can sell it for much more. They would rather have you subscribe (and it has NOT been worthwhile up to now to do so) so they can increase the subscription price to what the market will bear).
I don't trust FSD at all and even as there are a few things about it I currently don't like (acceleration is way too hard even in CHILL mode), I do feel comfortable and confident when it drives.
Some polishing and the experience will improve by leaps and bounds. Eventually I think the car will adapt to drive more like the local traffic (it somewhat mimics that now by following traffic which is a crude way of doing it). Much more memory and processing power is required for this as well as new AI abilities.
@@johannel8104 Thank you for your comments. Generally we seem to be on the same page. However, these BEV's are not ready for Uber. I've seen tragedy after tragedy of Uber drivers with Tesla. The battery just isn't ready for such hard use. The Supercharger charge time is too slow for a business where time is money. And the battery degrades rapidly under such use. I think Tesla is beginning to warn purchasers of this situation. Once they improve battery technology for: Faster charges; little degradation from many rapid charges; and more range per charge, then it may be ready for Uber. IMHO if I chose to Uber I'd get a hybrid. We also own a Prius and it's a great machine. For a use case such as Uber, I think it's a better choice. Respectfully, George
Great video, If I may ask, how many miles do you drive per year? They gave me this version today as well and it seems you are on the only person on youtube with this exact software version.
I have 12 to15k of full self drive under my belt. not sure of exact miles. kinda quit paying attention.
Agreed on both, mapping and Merge lanes. I'm on 12.3 and I feel it lingers too long on Merge lanes waiting till the end to move over, or gets into a merging lane which is pointless. Also feel the mapping is still dicey, and sometimes turns into places not where the map shows the turn, or sometimes misses the turn.
yes 12.3 needed polish for sure.
Love your commentary!
Thank you, looks like you are from the outback? kangaroo.
@@teslatalks9836 I come from a land down under
Ask grook in the car hiding if cosco is open ?
For sure. Elon said it will be in our cars eventually.
If you re interested in testing trying spots where it fails makes the most sense with V12
I have done that with the unprotected left and roundabouts. that is now checked off my list as fixed.
I just received the free 30-day trial and I used it without any issues on the freeways from San Bernardino to Carlsbad and back. But using it at night on city streets, it twice slammed its breaks on yellow lights when there was more than enough time to cross. If there was a car behind me, I could have been rear-ended. That needs to be fixed ASAP.
my son also complained about that I have not had any problems like that. mine actually works better at night. no sun in its eyes. maybe your windshield had a bug by the front cameras. what ver firmware do you have. I have 3
@@teslatalks9836 v11.1
In spite of not owning a Tesla, from what I see on TH-cam I also have the impression that the car has no "memory of exploration" - which would, of course, further improve its safety and self-assurance 10 fold.
Also, passing on messages about closed roads and so on to other cars in the neighborhood would be helpful for traffic management.
i believe Elon once said the cars will warn of pot holes in lanes and such to the fleet so other cars will avoid them.
I was talking to my EU friends about self driving cars being something that will happen within the next year or two and they have no faith in that statement. My mother thinks self driving cars will be after her lifetime (she's 55 right now and healthy). People arent ready for when Tesla gets approval to have people take their cars and sleep in them while they drive. Going to be so fun to show them.
yes and it will be sooner then they think.
That'll happen when every car on the street is capable of full self driving and all of them can communicate with each other (this is the bigger problem of the two imo)
Is it possible? Of course, but not within a year or two for heavy traffic areas at least, let alone cities and towns.
Excellent drive, thanks for sharing. I do think you are underestimating how much the AI can learn all by itself…. I don’t think hard coding is involved in decision and estimations.
Good point! I do believe AI can get smarter faster then humans.
upvoted!!!!
NICE WORK!
Thank You.
Hey friend. Where abouts are you located?
video appears to be near the Modesto area in Cali
Modesto is correct.
Central California
good analysis
Thank you.
Good job at riverbanks left turn
yes that is probably the worst one I have seen because of that blind traffic coming into it. and a lot of people don't even use their blinkers when turning.
@@teslatalks9836 Thanks for the demo ride.
The big question is... will you plop down the $12K to keep it?
Are you going to buy it(fsd)?
I bought it 2 months after I bought the car. I'm going to put it into the RoboTaxi fleet when it is ready. so the car will make me money.
wow...doe this have auto summon and banish?
Auto summon and banish are still being tested by Tesla employees.
yes, I am posting one on the new auto summons. it is circumference limited for now. but I think it will be done in a few months if not sooner.
So appreciated
Thank you so much.
May be able to review the dashcam footage to verify your thinking of the reasons for the hesitation to enter the intersection.
I didn't save it so it probably wont be on the Dashcam. but I can look.
Only thing auto speed has bothered me is, highway speeds, 67mph in 55mph can get the driver in trouble. Hope that is fixed
Great drive
Yes I know, but if you are flowing with traffic can pull everybody over at once. :)
Just remember that the highway stack is still on V11. Once they replace that with V12 you'll likely see a lot of highway improvements. We've heard Tesla is actively testing V12 on the highway.
Yeah, it got up to 20mph in my neighborhood with a speed limit of 10. Besides there being a lot of children in our neighborhood, there’s speed bumps that the car doesn’t give a hoot about! Still, I think these issues will get ironed out. We’re all part of the training of the software. Think about how much faster the training/learning will progress with all of us playing with it for 30 days! It’s certainly not worth $12,000, but it’s a pretty cool party trick.
@@bluedog9935Being able to legally (and safely) sleep in the back seat while the car goes state to state (incl rechargint itself) is worth $12k for me
@@Fatman305
Oh heck yeah! It’ll be a bargain for $12K when it gets to that point. It’s no longer a party trick when it’s doing that.
Good video!
Glad you enjoyed it
damn it's so much better than v11
like Day & Night.
I was so surprised when driving a Tesla in Georgia. The speed limits is nog accessible from a digital source as we have back home in Sweden. US infrastructure is a mess.
I know, and you'd think with all the TAX, especially in California our roads would be paved with gold. Instead we have cracks and potholes.
You know, everyone in the US has this?
not yet. but my fingers are crossed. Tesla to the Moon.
Good vid
Thank you.
“Brand new beta tes… to FSD.” This is a Tesla employee advertising the feature.
I wish I was a Tesla Employee, heck I would work for free with the bots or FSD Team. It would be like Christmas in a candy store. :)
😂 Tesla *just* removed the Beta tag from FSD...
everytime i drive, i try my fucking best to avoid those unprotected left lane turns. Those lanes make me so fucking anxious , it doesnt fucking help either when someone is on ur ass and trying to speed you up fromm behind. I fucken just hate those kinds of turns . Especially when ur in LA , and its busy as fuck... literally cars constantly coming from the right and left... youd have to time it perfectly to get through.
just as nerve racking with the FSD but the Car Does not care about the feelings of the guy behind you. LOL. the car has unlimited patients.
To cancel the nagging, Instead of physically forcing on the wheel, you can simply scroll the VOl or speed button a little bit!!!
yes, that is true. But I don't want to give extra wear to the wheel, so I just give it a genital tug. :)
👍👍👍🚀🎁
Yes, Tesla to the MOON. Wall street is asleep at the wheel, in my opinion.
Hmm it must be stressful to have to watch for mistakes all the time, more relaxing to drive oneself. Hang on to both the wheel and your $12000.
LOL no way. Its actually relaxing, at least not for me.
You’re insane for using this at a intersection like that lol 😂🤣 I don’t have the courage I try then when I see it start pulling out slowly to check for traffic at the intersection and then stop and hesitate I just deactivate.
yes it is a little nerve racking. but fun.
Bird poop on a Tesla! Unacceptable! 😂
I know, Right. I'm probably putting too much seed out for them.
When buying a new car, the FSD cannot be transferred from the old car, so we need to take that into consideration.
yes, that seems to be a problem. but once completed it will make resale better with it.
*Nag won't be going away until FSD gets government approval.
*All my settings are on AUTO and I never change anything.
*I just don't wish to be driven around by my car. I still enjoy driving my wheels.
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yes, some would rather drive themselves. I like the choice to do both.
@@teslatalks9836 I just went out and got a Vanilla Bean Frappe at Starbucks before closure and then stopped at the Tesla dealer on El Camino to get the software update while I sipped my frappe. Updating was pretty quick and there was a quick flash on the screen about an autopilot update. Not understanding what it meant and not having used AP in over a year, I hate the nag and don't travel at all, I'm 81. On a whim, I toggled AP as soon as I was heading in the right direction home. It went all the way home on AP on city streets.
Down El Camino, Mary Ave., Middlefied Rd., Castro Street and then a couple of turns before my driveway. All on AP????? on city streets, wtf!
Unless I have an FSD demo which I'll check more thoroughly tomorrow, I don't understand what just happened.
I'm pretty shocked right now because that drive home was perfect......like, perfectly perfect!!!
What the hell is going on?
Even the nag didn't bother me as I kept two fingers on the wheel and just gave a little resistance to steering wheel movements.
It turned just like I would and accelerated from stops just like I would and...........well wtf is going on.
I was very entertained!
@@teslatalks9836Just got my software update and found I also received a FSD demo for 30 days. I thought that was just for new sales!
Drove home from the Tesla dealer on El Camino in Sunnyvale to Mountain View using FSD.
I was blown away!
It was perfect and I was very entertained.
Last night I uploaded my cars software and discovered the FSD demo. I was under the impression it was only going to be available on new car sales.
I was doing the update at the Tesla dealer on El Camino in Sunnyvale. Set the destination for home in Mountain View and was absolutely astounded as it drove just like I would.....pretty shocking. It did have one hiccup. It failed to stay to the right at one intersection where that's required if you wish to proceed straight through.
I was very entertained!
Doubtful I'll ever purchase because at 81, I simply don't drive much anymore. A bit over three years owned and only 12,500 on the odometer. If they gave me a huge discount, I'd go for it but at 12 grand it would just make no sense.
It is nice to know if I become unable to drive that this option is available.
The car does not remember drives. We know this 10000% to be true
yes, and I think that could be a problem. since they stripped out 300k lines of code, Maybe it freed up enough room for a little memory for tricky spots that a person travels a lot. that would be nice.
@@teslatalks9836 I ll simply exaplin how FSD works. Tesla needs to specifically train the scenario in house and then update the vehicles. There is no such thing as vehicle memory in FSD (not yet at least). What you have in your car is like a photo of what is actually a video, if you knwo what i mean.
Scary turn? You can’t be serious. That was no traffic at all. I’d like to see a video from a driver who lives in a real urban area.
well, it's kinda scary. Considering that it takes over 3 months to get a Tesla repaired from a authorized Tesla Body shop. :)