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    Sources:
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  • @arsjproductions5743
    @arsjproductions5743 ปีที่แล้ว +1958

    It’s a huge meme, but no one goes in Depth into the civil war and political battles of late war Italy. Thank you for all your videos.

    • @FIVEBASKET
      @FIVEBASKET ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Yes that why i came here

    • @dr.peanutsheesh6176
      @dr.peanutsheesh6176 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@FIVEBASKET same here.

    • @Buildingerror500
      @Buildingerror500 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@FIVEBASKET same here i guess Make the chain

    • @stonedtowel
      @stonedtowel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Buildingerror500 same here

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@FIVEBASKET happy to see someone wanting to go beyond cheap "humor" and try to learn more

  • @Someonethatyouysedtoknowlol
    @Someonethatyouysedtoknowlol ปีที่แล้ว +612

    As an Italian i Just wanna thank you for talking about italian resistence also because my grampa was a partigiano Who Fought during the Battle of naple where he was killed while saving his friends May he rest in peace😔

    • @alvinlin8140
      @alvinlin8140 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was he a communist

    • @celtoucan4956
      @celtoucan4956 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so sorry he died. A true hero.

    • @tizanikandothers
      @tizanikandothers ปีที่แล้ว +11

      I'm sorry for your grampa may he rest in peace 🙏

    • @RazgrizWing
      @RazgrizWing ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Your grandfather was a hero, never let his ultimate sacrifice be forgotten.

    • @eugenioderevell3826
      @eugenioderevell3826 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Tu abuelo traiciono a su pueblo, su fé y su ideal.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 ปีที่แล้ว +794

    I think it’s also partially of Victor Emmanuel being cautious with power, because at the point of time prior to Mussolini’s removal, Mussolini had political capital and power. If the king acted, he might be deposed, and likelier than not, Mussolini would consolidate any remaining power there is. The king was by convention (though can legally exercise discretionary powers) a figurehead.

    • @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143
      @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143 ปีที่แล้ว +60

      Yes, on fact many historians define italian fascism as "partial totalitarism", because Mussolini had power only in accordance and sustain with and of the king, the pope, and many other political figures wich joined the party even if before they were not part of the party itself. Victor Emmanuel gave Mussolini the goverment because he wanted to avoid a civil war, but in the end he was still the man who could remove the duce from power, when he wanted

    • @animeXcaso
      @animeXcaso ปีที่แล้ว +9

      No he didn't.
      He could have raised a finger and mobilize the Carabinieri (who were loyal to the King only) and a fair amount of armed force and decapitate the Grand Council.
      He didn't, because he was short bot in body and in character

    • @conserva-chan2735
      @conserva-chan2735 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      @@animeXcaso that would have just started a way worse conflict a lot earlier on. Italy would be like Spain but way worse because you'd have Fascists, communists, and monarchists fighting each other in the 20s and 30s.

    • @brendanzhang7488
      @brendanzhang7488 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@animeXcaso that wouldnt have worked. carabinieri are only like national guard. wouldn't stand a chance against a actual army. and beside even if they decapitate the grand council. mussolinini prob would've escaped and return

    • @themcfunnel
      @themcfunnel ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Though it is to mention that the kings infamous flight from Rome destroyed his and the monarchys support

  • @simplerooster555
    @simplerooster555 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    Man, I really wish there were some more perspectives on ww2. for example, Czechoslovakia and Denmark or Norway. I know they weren't too significantly important but there's still some vast history behind their entrance into the war and I really think it should be explained the way griffin explains it. Again, keep up the good work with these videos.

    • @space4166
      @space4166 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I want free French in afirca, east afirca with kings african rifles, Madgascar, naval battle of Trinidad and Tobago and the Caribbean and pacific islands or other islands like Falkland and the island where napolean went saint helana I think like what if there was a invasion of French Guiana or guadelope because it was vichy

    • @diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026
      @diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Las Malvinas* d(v)mb​@@space4166

    • @Gungho73
      @Gungho73 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well it certainly would be interesting to see how those countries handled being under Nazi occupation.

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    Good to see your channel back rolling after everything that happend!

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      I missed it, what happened

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      @@jimc.goodfellas Check his previous video

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      @@jimc.goodfellas his discord account got hacked, and multiple of his servers were stolen

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      It's still not over, Currently the other servers at least the Armchair Historian TV one is still hacked and all messed up by the hackers that are trying to promote there supposed game that hacks your computer. IF you are in those servers still. Im sure he will get it back but just do not communicate with anyone in them atm as saying anything will get you timed out or kicked or worse.

    • @theEWDSDS
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      @@mattcraztex9940 all of his servers were destroyed, atleast 1 person from AH's server had fallen victim. His entire computer is compromised, and the hackers have access to everything. Griffin's address, bank details, etc., everything. Luckily he has regained control of his account, but he will be taking a break from youtube for a unknown amount of time. The only thing safe to click coming from Griffin's accounts are his videos via youtube itself, and F&M.

  • @Maw-wf1ir
    @Maw-wf1ir ปีที่แล้ว +323

    I am amazed by how high quality your videos are. AND YET YOU STILL POST EVERY 1-2 WEEKS! IT'S AMAZING KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

    • @Swift-mr5zi
      @Swift-mr5zi ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The animations are high quality but the actual history is not great, for example the entire team he hires somehow didn't realise that the US fifth army (represented by two US flags) was majority British, landed by a primarily British naval force, and most losses were also British during the operation. I've seen plenty of mistakes in his (their) other videos as well. His videos are uploaded quickly because they're obviously designed for midwitts and/or pure entertainment rather than real education.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Avalanche_naval_order_of_battle
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_invasion_of_Italy_order_of_battle

    • @Feldmarschal932
      @Feldmarschal932 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you notice he is reading?

    • @MistycznyRuchacz69
      @MistycznyRuchacz69 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Swift-mr5zi It's not supposed to be, if you are intrestet in the presented topic, you do your own research. No one expects those videos to be 100% accurate

    • @Swift-mr5zi
      @Swift-mr5zi ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MistycznyRuchacz69 The idea that someone would watch a history video knowing its not meant to be accurate is just silly this channel is run by multiple people and they make the most basic errors, its not like they're errors are complex and nuanced they're must plain wrong facts.

    • @MistycznyRuchacz69
      @MistycznyRuchacz69 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Swift-mr5zi Which ones? There are no cardinal errors, so if someone wants to learn how a certian battle went on, they will have enough information to hold a conversation about it.

  • @expandedhistory
    @expandedhistory ปีที่แล้ว +1017

    Italy never changed side in WW2, Italy was divided into two sides and fascists stay in Axis side and anti fascists joined Allied, that's all.

    • @Paris-xv9sj
      @Paris-xv9sj ปีที่แล้ว +142

      Exactly ! Like France during WW2, memes often misrepresent, distort or denie historical facts.

    • @thadloyalist5701
      @thadloyalist5701 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      🤓

    • @staC-wh6ik
      @staC-wh6ik ปีที่แล้ว +63

      Well said! Italy suffered a civil war rather than simply "switch sides"

    • @CYMotorsport
      @CYMotorsport ปีที่แล้ว

      This would be ignorant to the historical timeline of what played out. Civil war erupted due to the switch referenced. They indeed switched. That’s putting it simply, but the divide you reference is a result of that. German forces seized on some major blunders and took the north new RSI region and put the recently rescued Mussolini in charge of the puppet state.

    • @tankle
      @tankle ปีที่แล้ว +11

      USSR defeated fascism

  • @michealkasey2292
    @michealkasey2292 ปีที่แล้ว +410

    Everybody makes fun of Italy for switching sides, but at least they weren't the ones whose infrastructure was completely decimated and leveled from allied strategic bombing campaigns and ceased to be a unified country for almost half a century.

    • @fredko4293
      @fredko4293 ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn’t Italy just elect a facist leader?

    • @stefanodadamo6809
      @stefanodadamo6809 ปีที่แล้ว +95

      We were utterly gutted and devastated, save for certain critical industrial and electrical plants in the north, saved by the partisans at the eleventh hour. The rest of the country was in shambles and famished: cities bombed to smithereens, all bridges down, railways and road, the pride of our engineering, sabotaged by the retreating Germans.

    • @雷-t3j
      @雷-t3j ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, you just forgot to mention they also lost a bunch of their territory to the poles, so that they could lose their territory to the soviets. And ignore that they could have surrendered once it was clear they would lose the war instead of trying to fight to the last child. By the way, they were also fucking Nazi's, and every single bomb was worth it.

    • @trunksbrief6728
      @trunksbrief6728 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      They make fun of you because you pussed out and changed sides

    • @MrMustang13
      @MrMustang13 ปีที่แล้ว +90

      @@trunksbrief6728 yes we should be upset we weren’t divided for 50 years and nuked!

  • @SemoventeDa
    @SemoventeDa ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Watching this video explains in such a great way what's just reduced as a whole joke or meme.
    My grandma still remembers these events despite being between 12-17 when the War happened, especially during the 1943 Allied bombing runs and in 1944 when the Germans seized our family pharmacy and house to transform it into a small army outpost and weapons depot.

  • @aurelian3268
    @aurelian3268 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    Italy switched sides because they remembered the German betrayal at Teutoburg Forest

    • @IlTrojo
      @IlTrojo ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Anybody liking this is a Barbero fan.

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@IlTrojo ma anche no

    • @thetayz72
      @thetayz72 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      A true grudge

    • @youravrageitaliandude6016
      @youravrageitaliandude6016 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      "Modern Italy and Rome are litterally the same" 🤓

    • @robertkarp2070
      @robertkarp2070 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@youravrageitaliandude6016 No they are not. Rome throughout all that time was sympathetic towards Germany. The Vatican laundered Nazi Plunder, turned the Jewish people over to the Nazis and assisted Nazi War Criminals in escaping Germany. There were many Catholic Priests that were Card Carrying Nazis. That's why there is a wall built around Rome, it is a city state separate from the rest of Italy.

  • @tomashes5143
    @tomashes5143 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    You are perfectly working with details. Mussolini was really killed by french gun MAS-38 and in the video is really MAS-38!

    • @Leonard-td5rn
      @Leonard-td5rn 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Naples uprising was not due to partisans. It was spontaneous the partisans were not organized at that point

  • @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143
    @quattrosaltiinpadellaconbu7143 ปีที่แล้ว +92

    Also i recommend to read about this period, the novels "Men Against" of Elio Vittorini and "The Path To The Nest Of Spiders" of Italo Calvino. They speak about partisans in northern Italy, and they were written by writers which were part of the resistance, and wrote them during the civil war itself. The seocnd in particular can be readen also by very young readers, because is a sweet, adventure story about a kid, which join the resistance, after he steal the gun of a german commander, which ishis sister's boyfriend.

  • @artisan2.048
    @artisan2.048 ปีที่แล้ว +57

    Germany: Ok ain’t no way Italy gonna fight our occupation and somehow win.
    Italian Partisans: *Breathes*

  • @lordbeaverhistory
    @lordbeaverhistory ปีที่แล้ว +12

    at 18:00, there is Bella Ciao playing in the background. It's just so beautiful, but tragic alike

  • @dylangtech
    @dylangtech ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Italy: “We surrender!”
    Germany: “No you don’t”

  • @brokenbridge6316
    @brokenbridge6316 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    I always love it when little known historical periods are touched on. And this one deserved to be mentioned. Nice video.

  • @Daglizzh
    @Daglizzh ปีที่แล้ว +88

    Your animations are literally movies at this point pls keep it up your actually the best history youtuber

    • @blutori
      @blutori ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes exactly

  • @ROMANTIKILLER2
    @ROMANTIKILLER2 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I must say that this video went into more details into the civil war than what was taught when I attended high school in Italy.
    It is also good to remind people that behind the memes of switching sides when the tide turned, a lot of blood was shed and life lost, and countless of brave people had to live for months under the terror of the brutal Nazi occupation.

  • @tragarts
    @tragarts ปีที่แล้ว +177

    sad about the discord, yet you and your team still pump out great videos. Hope you succeed in fixing the problem with the hackers.

  • @adamcheklat7387
    @adamcheklat7387 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    After the 1946 referendum, a carabinieri guard grabbed Umberto II’s hand while boarding his plane bound to Lisbon and said to the King: “Your Majesty, we will never forget you!”

  • @NotAnAlex_Guy
    @NotAnAlex_Guy ปีที่แล้ว +129

    A truely great representation of the reasons why Italy switches sides.
    Oh and of course the memes. Nobody can ever forget the history memes about the Italian tactical ‘switch team’ play.

    • @crook7493
      @crook7493 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      the switch team memes are old, inaccurate and insulting

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว

      @@crook7493 what do you expect from a country that has creationism thaught in schools?

    • @MadmanMagoo
      @MadmanMagoo ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@crook7493 exactly, W standpoint

    • @NotAnAlex_Guy
      @NotAnAlex_Guy ปีที่แล้ว

      agreeable

    • @r3dunt3r
      @r3dunt3r 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@crook7493 only fools could appreciate them .

  • @laserrv5978
    @laserrv5978 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    You realy can feel bad for Umberto II, he was very opposed to the idea of leaving Rome, stating that they had enough forces to defend the city (wich was true, the italian armored forces outnumbered the germans 4 to 1) but in the end Victor forced him to leave. He loved Italy and when he lost he simply retired even tough monarchists were already arming themself for another civil war.

  • @zeroundying
    @zeroundying ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The cut at 18:20 on the word 'partisans' is so clean, I almost didn't notice it. Very professional.

  • @napoleonibonaparte7198
    @napoleonibonaparte7198 ปีที่แล้ว +78

    Hopefully, Bulgaria and Romania are next on the switcheroo videos.

    • @myhonorwasloyalty
      @myhonorwasloyalty ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not hero. Look at europe of today

    • @wazzup233
      @wazzup233 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Finland: Am I joke to you?

    • @RajaIsThatGuy
      @RajaIsThatGuy ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@wazzup233 CGE mannerheim after finland sign peace treaty with ussr: *insert dissapearing man here*

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@myhonorwasloyalty larper spotted

  • @jonboobalot
    @jonboobalot ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Witnessing the evolution of this channel is amazing! So proud of you, Griffin, and your team for providing such in depth breakdowns of so many realms of history seldom talked about. Your production is awesome!! Keep it up. :)

  • @roengoer3134
    @roengoer3134 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    The partisans both in France, The Netherlands and Italy were always under represented in my history classes, I always wonder if it has to do with the fact that they were usually socialist or communist

    • @johncarter4956
      @johncarter4956 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yes. That and the fact that those resistance were so ineffective and useless, in the eyes of the Allies commander and 1950-60s historian, that no one want to remember them.

    • @jackparker8602
      @jackparker8602 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Mostly because their efforts were for the most part pointless. The only resistance movement that had a genuine effect on the war effort were the Yugoslav partisans.

    • @rhythmicmusicswap4173
      @rhythmicmusicswap4173 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@johncarter4956 they would Also diminish the glory of American and English people 😅

    • @Andre-yy3en
      @Andre-yy3en 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Here in italy they are way overrepresented

    • @crazydinosaur8945
      @crazydinosaur8945 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@johncarter4956 "no one want to remember them." well in their countries, they are remembered as the brave soles they were

  • @agentmueller
    @agentmueller ปีที่แล้ว +51

    My grandfather was responsible for training partisans to fight the bad guys during the war. Even though he carried guns and did a lot of hard fighting, he was just an electrician, as we found out after we dug up pictures of him and his buddies in their double lightning bolt electrician helmet and gear! My grandpa was a real hero!

    • @vesalore696
      @vesalore696 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      🤣

    • @unfortunately_fortunate2000
      @unfortunately_fortunate2000 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      come up with an original joke if you're so desperate for likes my dude

    • @squasholantern6343
      @squasholantern6343 ปีที่แล้ว

      So by bad guys you mean the communist ✡ that instigated both WWI and WWII?

  • @lordfedjuvekinval252
    @lordfedjuvekinval252 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    my granddad (on my mum's side) was a Carabiniere in Rome who was arrested by the Germans then narrowly escaped before being taken away, likely to the Fosse Ardeatine massacre mentioned in the video.
    He eventually made his way south and hid in the Certosa di Trisulti convent until the allies liberated the area, after which he would join the resistance and infiltrate the Carabinieri of Savona, who had by now been purged of any monarchist sympathies and replaced with fascist fanatics. He'd spend the rest of the war passing on local intel to the Allies.
    He'd end up paying for his service as about a decade and a half after the war he'd be once again reassigned to Savona, only to find out that many of the fascists were still in their posts or had even managed to secure a few promotions. By now they knew he had been a snitch, my grandfather's carreer would be left dead in the water as he'd get passed over for promotion and then forced into an early retirement by the end of the century.
    In a way i guess he was still luckier than my other granddad, who had lost his father to allied bombings and would spend most of the civil war in a POW camp in Poland

  • @Marmatari2317
    @Marmatari2317 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This video tells about things that in Italy are repeat forever at school, but the world knows a few of this. Thank you for this video😊

  • @theminipetabyte4610
    @theminipetabyte4610 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Absolute props to the background Bella Ciao in the closing message of the video,.

  • @AndreaFasani
    @AndreaFasani ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Many forget that fascism took the power with a coupe and the complicity of the crown.

  • @_dx_
    @_dx_ ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Bella ciao playing in the background was a perfection. Big brain editing right there!

  • @ethanarnold4441
    @ethanarnold4441 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Dear Griffin, this was a great video. While we're on the topic of Italy, I'd love to see a video about the evolution of Italian army uniforms.

  • @iattacku2773
    @iattacku2773 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Mussolini being mini me had me dying

  • @Heirofthedevils
    @Heirofthedevils ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This is literally the definition of the show must go on

  • @oldironfarm
    @oldironfarm ปีที่แล้ว +6

    When Italy gets memed for switching sides in WW2 but you did the same: *Stealthy Romania noises*

  • @tonygriggle5569
    @tonygriggle5569 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    "Certified Italy Moment."
    -Griffin Johnson

  • @IlTrojo
    @IlTrojo ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Kudos for the soundtrack by an Italian!!! Very humble suggestion: the Cephalonia massacre of the Acqui Division.

  • @Novac_Alexandru
    @Novac_Alexandru ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I can say that King Victor Emmanuel was just a figurehead and Mussolini was the leader of Italy that took decisions, approving laws, and leading his country. The Italian Civil War was brutal, Italians fought against themselves. There are a lot of similarities between Romania and Italy. Both were "monarchies" in theory which had a king that was just a figurehead and the Prime Minister was the one that will lead the country also both kings got rid of the Prime Minister.

    • @edoardobartolucci6891
      @edoardobartolucci6891 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Another similarity is that both of them became a State Nation exactly in the same years: 1859-1862 for Romania, 1859-1861 for Italy. And both of them had for decades an ambivalent love-hate relationship with the Habsburg Empire, until WW1.
      Fun fact: during the Paris Congress in 1856, Prime Minister Cavour proposed the dukes of Parma and Modena as new monarchs in Wallachia and Moldavia, in exchange for the annexation of their States to Piedmont.

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Curious how eveybody trash Hirohito when he had even less power than VEIII

  • @CJ_1406
    @CJ_1406 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    "Hey Luigi, are we the baddies?"
    "I think so too Mario. Let's switch sides."
    "Good idea."

  • @skinnywizard103
    @skinnywizard103 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    This is fascinating as my grandfathers family hid in mountains from the Germans & helped with resistance.

  • @azj_
    @azj_ ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Italy: "We wil win the war Germany"
    Germany: "Together right Italy?"
    Italy: *Changing side [ANAKIN STARE]*
    Germany: "Together right?"

    • @sstff6771
      @sstff6771 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂😂

    • @crook7493
      @crook7493 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      👎👎👎

    • @Buildingerror500
      @Buildingerror500 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It was an civil war the italians didnt even change side

    • @youravrageitaliandude6016
      @youravrageitaliandude6016 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Hahaha so funny 😐 such an amazing and original joke 😐

  • @franksalvatore4094
    @franksalvatore4094 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Corrections: In 1943, with the Italian Royal Army taking a beating in Russia, especially Stalingrad, and Sicily falling to American and British forces. Count Dino Grandi convinced the Grand Council to call for a vote of no confidence in Benito Mussolini and to negotiate an armistice with the Allies in Cassible that was signed on September 3rd and would go into effect on September 8th, but Hitler would not accept the armistice. When Operation Aches commenced, German troops disarmed Italian soldier but not all of Italians complied and shootings incidents broke out between German and Italian soldiers while some took to the terrain, including the Carabinieri, and fought as guerrillas. Christian democrats= Catholics and those who wanted a democratic post war Italy, Royalist or Monarchist= Italians loyal to Victor Emmanuel III and not to Mussolini, Jewish Italians, Carabinieri and Italian soldier who escape or eluded detention, Communist, Socialist, Mafiosi (Mafia Crime Lords), Middle Class citizen and civilians who refused to work in German factories united to fight the Fascists and the Nazis.

    • @franksalvatore4094
      @franksalvatore4094 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When the new Italian government was formed, they established a new armed force called the Co-belligerent army (the Royal Italian army trained by the British), the Co-beIligerent navy (Italian Royal navy ships that had a US or Royal British Naval Liaison officer), and the Co-belligerent Air Force (Italians flying for the RAF.) consisting of newly volunteered Italians from liberated territory or former Italian POWs from US, Canadian and British camps who choose to switch sides in exchange for clemency.

  • @HamSaladtv
    @HamSaladtv ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Good video. I do hope you explore this topic in further detail. Claudio Pavone's monumental historical work " A Civil War" would be a great thing to distill into videos.
    Also, one day I hope you do a video on the International Brigades and their Aftermath. A lot of those guys later fought in Italy and the OSS agents were mostly IB vets from Spain.

  • @cameraman404
    @cameraman404 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Glad you got your discord back ❤

    • @tylermorrison420
      @tylermorrison420 ปีที่แล้ว

      He did? How?

    • @cameraman404
      @cameraman404 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tylermorrison420 discord banned the guy from the account

    • @tylermorrison420
      @tylermorrison420 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cameraman404 respect to discord for not being to hard to reach

  • @Cartasio69
    @Cartasio69 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Very interesting topic. Is it possible to make more videos of topics before the 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, as I believe there is also a lot of possibilities in the previous centuries.

  • @vasilisgm8966
    @vasilisgm8966 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I respect the Italians who were anti-fascists in the army during WWII and forgive those who did not want to fight in Greece. They are great fighters who fought under the most incomprehensible officers in many cases. Besides, the memes about them having the whole nation switching sides is ridiculous. I guess ignorant WWII history meme lovers forgot to pick up a book and research what the "Salo Republic" was.

    • @vasilisgm8966
      @vasilisgm8966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@1nv15BL3 I absolutely do. Especially that one friend from Taormina who is learning the Italian variant of Greek ;)

  • @strikeforce1500
    @strikeforce1500 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The Italian civil war, mid WW 2 is such an under represented part of the war. Anyone could recommend me a book about it?

  • @evoluxman9935
    @evoluxman9935 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Bella ciao remix in the background at the end was a neat touch.

  • @alexamerling79
    @alexamerling79 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A lot of Italians were not that enthusiastic about joining the war in 1940 and that was when Germany was winning. I could only imagine the feeling in 1943....

  • @Frangorra1210
    @Frangorra1210 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    An interesting episode of this civil war can be found in the region Val d'Aosta. Partisans and RSI forces agreed to not fight each other and keep the region safe from French army claiming the occupation.

  • @andreaguarriero9194
    @andreaguarriero9194 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you for speaking about Italy and the Civil War. It’s a partially open wound still today in our Country. My grand-dad was exiled as political opponent - commie - and died in an act of sabotage in Torre Annunziata in 1946, it ment a lot for me to watch your video 🙂

  • @nyana6641
    @nyana6641 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    He got hacked and still posts regularly. Absolute king

  • @dhruvkulkarni2287
    @dhruvkulkarni2287 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Did you use Bella Ciao for the background music?This was the anthem of the Partisans.

  • @rafaelgustavo7786
    @rafaelgustavo7786 ปีที่แล้ว +69

    Italy is the ultimate proof that its soldiers can be brave, but: if their logistics are bad, if your technology lags behind your enemies, if your leaders do not know how to recognize your limitations in the war effort = your nation will be an eternal joke in military historiography.

    • @cana0
      @cana0 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Eternal joke seems exaggerated, from Roman era to before WW2 Italy did pretty good

    • @Adrian-kb4rg
      @Adrian-kb4rg ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cana0 before ww1*

    • @cana0
      @cana0 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Adrian-kb4rg during ww1 Italy managed to do decently

    • @valentinomanontroppo4675
      @valentinomanontroppo4675 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@cana0 Italy won against Austria in WWI, but lost against Germany (Caporetto 1917)

    • @cana0
      @cana0 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@valentinomanontroppo4675 you re right, but basically everyone lost against germany at some point in time. During ww2 they literally had to go all vs germany and unprepared italy, and even in an all vs 2 they had an hard time and the war lasted long.
      Saying Italy lost against germany isn't a good indicator, because everyone would have (considering japan a whole different area and situation).

  • @carta8399
    @carta8399 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Congratulations on your beautiful video, it is historically very accurate and the animations are incredible. This is one of the best and most unbiased historical youtube channels.

  • @malcolmtheworthy7039
    @malcolmtheworthy7039 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It would be quite pleasant to see a documentary on the Carlist wars.

  • @italiastoria
    @italiastoria ปีที่แล้ว +23

    Great video, really well done. And the last touch of using "Bella ciao" at the end...

    • @Animiel1
      @Animiel1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah, that was supercool!

    • @AG63830
      @AG63830 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      E grazie anche a te, continuo ad ascoltarti dagli USA ;)

    • @italiastoria
      @italiastoria ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AG63830 grazie Andrea! Hai visto che è uscito il mio nuovo libro ;)?

    • @AG63830
      @AG63830 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@italiastoria Non lo sapevo! dove lo trovo?

  • @Animiel1
    @Animiel1 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thank you very much, as an Italian I loved it. Actually I was waiting for someone not italian and with a record of reliability to cover this topic as it is still so divisive in our country. On one side it is celebrated by institutions, but this could be for national propaganda reasons. On the other side is often neglected by foreigners, but this could be because "you should never say something good of a mainly communist movement". It is good to have a more "objective" voice talk about it.

  • @Venuit1233
    @Venuit1233 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    18:20 nice of you putting Bella ciao as back ground music

  • @Jayjay-qe6um
    @Jayjay-qe6um ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Italians made the right choice on switching sides.

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The choice was to surrender. Self Defense was what followed

  • @fabianlieret2077
    @fabianlieret2077 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the use of the melody of bella ciao

  • @pracemaker2517
    @pracemaker2517 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very very well done, really enjoyed this, thank you!

  • @TrulyNasty
    @TrulyNasty ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:54 "a Brigate Nere Caveman Spongebob doesn't exists it wont hurt you"
    Brigate Nere Caveman Spongebob:

  • @Shallcreater
    @Shallcreater ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you for talking about the resistence, not all Italian people were along mussolini
    The partigiani fought alongside the allies for stop the war
    My grandfather was a partigiano, he was a leader of a very little group of partigiani called “Brigata Garibaldina”, he fought against the nazi army and the repubblica of saló in the late ww2, he survived an execution by throwing himself in the “Mincio” river in the north of italy.
    If he didn’t survive that execution and fall, i will not be here right now
    Partigiani are italian heroes

  • @alessandrobicocchi9186
    @alessandrobicocchi9186 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks for covering the topic!

  • @Talosbug
    @Talosbug ปีที่แล้ว +13

    If you want to read a James Bond level real life story, look up the life story of Otto Skorzeny. Joker worked for Hitler, the Russians, and ironically, the Jewish Mossad. A real deal, hardcore, tough as nails, badass

    • @greg_mca
      @greg_mca ปีที่แล้ว +5

      A party functionary and logistics bureaucrat who got where he did through manipulating his image and by bullshitting his way through his friends in the SS. Most of the stories told about him were made by him after the war, and once that is stripped away he becomes less a badass and more a desperate loser whose main skill is conning people

    • @Talosbug
      @Talosbug ปีที่แล้ว

      @@greg_mca and he did a great freaking job of it 😂

  • @ctv186
    @ctv186 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I imagine there might've been an exchange like this:
    WW2 Germany: Italy isn't usually the strongest nation, but they are usually on The winning side of wars, so we will keep them as an ally.
    WW2 Italy post Mussolini: *switches sides*.

  • @queekheadtaker7327
    @queekheadtaker7327 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The mission to rescue him was kind of a disaster that only succeeded because of extremely inflexibility in the Italian command structure culminating in Mussolini’s flight back which Skorzeny insisted on coming along despite making the craft extremely unstable meaning. But that’s skorzeny a man who probably did only 5% of what he claimed but knew how to charm hitler like few others. I would recommend looking it up its quite funny in how incompetent the whole thing pans out.

  • @ashcarrier6606
    @ashcarrier6606 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I've long suspected that the fatal flaw of the Italian military in WW2 was that your typical Italian man simply didn't hate anyone with sufficient ardor.
    The question likely arose in many an Italian mind in the trenches, "Why am I here, rather than at home drinking wine?"

    • @Centurio_1
      @Centurio_1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It was not that. Italy just had less resources than the Allies, no sufficient amount of valour would change that. There are a lot of events where italians fought against all odds in battles where they would have lost if not for their courage, such as the 2nd battle of Bir el Gobi in North Africa.

    • @gs7828
      @gs7828 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Yes and no. Not entirely, but even Fascism was not based on antisemitism or racial superiority, so it was a civilisationist stance rather than hatred for different people.

    • @dannyv8577
      @dannyv8577 ปีที่แล้ว

      Was that comment for comical purposes or you actually believe that....

    • @ashcarrier6606
      @ashcarrier6606 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dannyv8577 Partially both, I think. Was your typical 1930s and 40s Italian guy filled with a killing rage for...anyone?
      I like to think...no.

    • @dannyv8577
      @dannyv8577 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ashcarrier6606 I can think that about english Russians americans etc

  • @lucianoosorio5942
    @lucianoosorio5942 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    “Churchill began to describe Italy as Europe’s soft underbelly.”

    • @radec5166
      @radec5166 ปีที่แล้ว

      Si è visto quanto ci hanno messo all'invasione

    • @gs7828
      @gs7828 ปีที่แล้ว

      And yet Italian geography meant the best defensive position Germany could have hoped for to slow the Allied advance.

  • @matthewburdick4966
    @matthewburdick4966 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Should be restore democracy?" "I dunno. We should ask the council of fascism"

  • @gmalcolms
    @gmalcolms 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was in Siracusa a few years ago and a tour guide (Italian of course) described the British landing there as a "liberation." I told my wife, who is Japanese, what she said, and I explained that Italy switched sides during the war, which she didn't know. "So Italy betrayed Japan?", she asked.

  • @Animiel1
    @Animiel1 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    About the death of Mussolini: it's a bit of a mystery how exactly that happened and also his mistress was killed... then the exposure of the body to the fury of the people (he was lifted upsidedown, maybe also to avoid violence on the body). It is still a contentious issue even for the anti-fascist if all this was a good thing or not. Then there was the people. Lots of them praised the regime when it was in power, then suddenly as the Fascist state collapsed everyone was against it. Then we had an amnesty and no process. Maybe it saved Italy from more violence, but I also think it left an open wound. And now we have a hard right government again and some signs of normalization of Fascist apology... so, it's complicate

  • @VTxHawkz
    @VTxHawkz ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Playing Bella Ciao at the end was a nice touch

  • @Fanumtaxer48
    @Fanumtaxer48 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You should do eveolution of italian uniforms of greek,spanish and more.

  • @ididntalwaysworkinspace9558
    @ididntalwaysworkinspace9558 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    "Grand Council Of fascism" Steve Bannon found a new name for his next website.📝

  • @GB-ko8cv
    @GB-ko8cv ปีที่แล้ว +4

    When I will heard the same old, inaccurate, (racist because used to insuinate, offend, and create stereotypes), meme about italy switching sides i will refer this video

  • @drotterton793
    @drotterton793 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting detail, where the partisan who would execute Mussolini was holding a Mas smg

  • @Augustus_Imperator
    @Augustus_Imperator ปีที่แล้ว +3

    fascist council days before allies entering rome: "aaight, Imma head out"

  • @godfrey2440
    @godfrey2440 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    17:53 Bella ciao!

  • @klenks729
    @klenks729 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    What about to make a video about UIA (Ukrainian Insurgent Army)? I think it will be interesting.

  • @Baneb1984
    @Baneb1984 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Armchair Historian always have quality videos that are the easiest to press the like button. Best part… he doesn’t ask for it!!

  • @hendriktonisson2915
    @hendriktonisson2915 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Has anyone made analysis about how long the German economy would've lasted before collapsing if Germany stopped all territorial expansion after the 1938 Munich Agreement?

  • @alexanderhikel2350
    @alexanderhikel2350 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love that you got sponsored by COH what a perfect sponsor lol , can’t wait for this game

  • @JoutenShin
    @JoutenShin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good job. However, I would have specified that Italy declares war on Germany only after being invaded by it (Operation Achse).

    • @FlagAnthem
      @FlagAnthem ปีที่แล้ว +2

      This is one detail everyone forgets about it. Italy was backstabbed

    • @Animiel1
      @Animiel1 ปีที่แล้ว

      And a lot of Italian soldiers suffered for the caos of the armistice, since suddenly their ex allies were enemies. I can understand it was not easy for Germany, but still...

  • @ragnarok2160
    @ragnarok2160 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bella ciao at the end. Nice touch

  • @saint4life09
    @saint4life09 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Only half way through but very Americo-centric, the British were there too and led the invasion of Italy.

  • @mr.hedado741
    @mr.hedado741 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Can we have a video about the Austrian-Prussian war?

  • @raffaelegallo
    @raffaelegallo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I live in Mordano, the birthplace of Dino Grandi, who is also the author of our CIvil Code, our main source of law

  • @turperper
    @turperper ปีที่แล้ว +19

    amazing that the channel goes strong even after the calamity that unfolded recently

    • @LostInTheTransition
      @LostInTheTransition ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what calamity

    • @captinp3anuts
      @captinp3anuts ปีที่แล้ว +1

      what happened

    • @spaceman8935
      @spaceman8935 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was the discord thing really a calamity? He probably only made a big deal about it because of the risk of someone trying to scam his fans using his account.

    • @Ozzianman
      @Ozzianman ปีที่แล้ว

      He just lost his Discord account. Worst case it's used to promote scams which is why he made a big deal out of it.

    • @fodetraore6666
      @fodetraore6666 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Ozzianman Im prety sure his entire computer was compromised. Bank detailas, address all that studf floating on the dark web. I may be wrong but that is what I understood

  • @neyneyganeyney6046
    @neyneyganeyney6046 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interestingly, an Italian officer by the name of Raffaele Cadorna jr. distinguished himself during Italy's time of political turmoil.
    He defended Rome against the advancing Germans following the political split, and later became a somewhat noteable member of the Italian partisans.
    He is the grandson of Raffaele Cadorna, one of the prominent military leaders during the unification of Italy, and the son of... Luigi Cadorna, the definition of insanity on the Isonzo.
    Seems like military talent does run in the family, but it just skipped a generation.

    • @thecommentaryking
      @thecommentaryking ปีที่แล้ว

      Just a correction on the name, it's Raffaele with 2 "f" and 1 "l"

  • @jacksontaylor290
    @jacksontaylor290 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Plz do the Korean War from the Korean Perspective!

  • @noneuploader3469
    @noneuploader3469 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    15:55 why is no-one talking about this perfect reference

  • @Soldier_50918
    @Soldier_50918 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Can you PLEASE do the French tanks evolution?

  • @Strop2198
    @Strop2198 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    it is little known but the partisans were even able to build an airstrip near the town of Vesime and used it to sneak over the Gothic line some British officers to help the coordination between allies and partisans

  • @johnmike121
    @johnmike121 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this channel!

  • @lepoilu861
    @lepoilu861 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It would be cool if the armchair historian would make a video about the battle of Verdun

  • @ritemolawbks8012
    @ritemolawbks8012 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It took a while for me to grasp the symbolism @ [ 6:00 ]. I can only hope it's because Italy is boot shaped. The torn sock with a swastika could also be a metaphor for the inevitable German "de-feet," or the "un-hole-ly" alliance between the Fascist and the Vatican.

    • @ritemolawbks8012
      @ritemolawbks8012 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@macaroon_nuggets8008 I'm not an English teacher or English major. I'm just noticing a lot of the details in the background animation. I even saw references to Austin Powers, Doctor Evil, and Mini Me.

    • @ritemolawbks8012
      @ritemolawbks8012 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@macaroon_nuggets8008 I do it ALL the time. For some reason, I'm usually the main one complaining when I see other grammar Nazis and self-appointed experts in the comments.
      I know I'm a hypocrite. It's a weird flex, but I love grammar and writing. There are too many nerdy people like myself, who ruin the internet experience for everyone.
      Some people are addicted to trolling. I'm addicted to providing advice and answers to questions that no one ever asked.