PROS and CONS of a French Cleat Tool Wall
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- Continuing in the series on the French Cleat tool wall, today I discuss the good and the bad or the pros and cons of the system. I think the French Cleat wall for shop organization is fantastic but there is some nuances you should be aware of. Thanks for watching and please hit the thumbs up!
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Thanks for watching! I just updated my tool wall with a French cleat sharpening station 👉👉 th-cam.com/video/gvl6yoro-Mk/w-d-xo.html
You don’t have to put so many holes in your wall... there’s another way: mount your french cleat system to a 1/2 sheet of plywood (use a full sheet for a big 4x8 wall sheet of cleats, or chop it up into four 2x4 sections for a more modular system that can be hung together as one big unit or hung as smaller sections on multiple walls) But this way the entire wall of french cleats is all mounted to a 1/2 sheet of plywood. Not only does this way look better IMO, but to hang it you only need a good 3in cabinet screw into the stud at each corner and maybe a couple along the top & bottom for a little extra reassurance. I suggest this method is better because if you ever have to move one day, the whole french cleat wall comes off together in one big “wall sheet of french cleats” & the whole thing can be rehung anywhere you want without ever having to remove & remount each individual cleat one by one. The plywood backer also protects the wall from the items you hang on your cleat wall, which will all be backed up against the plywood backerboard vs against the the drywall & all the things you hang then scuffing up that drywall. Mount your cleats to a good sheet of 1/2 plywood, glue the 1/2 cleats to the 1/2 plywood in the spacing you like, tack down with 3/4 brads and then use 3/4 inch screws from the back of the plywood into each cleat for added cleat strength... this way no screws are visible from the front. Then the whole thing becomes modular, requires far less screws to hang on the wall, protects the drywall you hang it on from scuffs, and IMO also has a better overall look to it. Go the extra mile, and put a couple quick coats of water based ploy on the whole thing and you’ll have yourself sweet modular french cleat wall system that will last years to come & require significantly less screws to hang.
Great suggestion! It would definitely solve the stud wall dilemma as well. Thanks for watching and very helpful comment!
Awesome!
Would a 1/2 inch plywood sheet be strong enough to take the weight of all those tools ?
It likely wood!
LastingBuild - thank you for the great video & very nice reply!
pro tip: I discovered a few months ago that some of the Big Box stores sell damaged lumber at around 70% discount. I got 2 almost complete sheets of 3/4" maple for about $20 and this turned into a few really nice tool holders.
Just started building some holders on my French cleat system and it looks amazing and is really fun. I think why it takes people so long is that they want to make the holder and shelves look really nice. I just ended up making it as simple as I could and was able to quickly build a few to hold some tools.
For me - I used much narrower cleats - but more of them - that gave me much more flexibility than your wide cleats that are widely spaced. You build things to hang on the cleats that are **HUGE** compared to mine. I mostly work in metric - and each of my tool holders is between 20cm x 20cm (~8" x 8") and (so far) 40cm x 40cm is the largest. All are multiples of 10cm in width and height - and stick out no more than 20cm from the wall. The cleats are 25cm apart - to give enough clearance to lift one off of the cleat without hitting the holder above it. That means that I can pack those tool holders in very tightly. That saves space (my workshop is half of a double garage - so space is a critical resource) - and it keeps tools closely in reach. The easy rearrangement of tool holders means that I always have the most common tools right where I'm working. I also have cleats screwed to other places - like on the side of my saw table and my work table. So I might pick up the tool holder with pencils, square, tape measure, etc off of the wall and hang it on the saw table cleat while I work there - then move the whole contraption over to where I do electronic work because I want to make a wooden box for some circuit I'm building. Being able to move a whole collection of related tools to where I'm working saves a LOT of running around the shop. Your approach of having those HUGE tool holders really means that you're just using the cleat system to hang furniture on the walls...which is not at all my philosophy. You have a rack of sanding disks...but I have a small group of sanding disks on the same 30cm x 20cm tool holder that holds the sander and spare sanding disks in a regular box under the bench. My stapler is on a 20cm x 20cm holder along with a box of staples of the correct size. My power drill lives on a tool holder with a small set of 8 most common drill bits, a couple of screwdriver bits and a spare battery holder. There is a much more comprehensive set of drill bits and such on their own tool holder by the drill stand - and a separate tool holder for battery charging and storage of many batteries. But having the most common stuff right next to the drill - saves me a ton of running around.
This functional grouping of tools and the things you need WITH those tools is paramount to an efficient, compact workshop. But I'd be the first to admit that yours looks MUCH prettier!
I didn't buy premium graded plywood because my workshop is more about practicality than appearance - and given present lumber costs (June 2021) - I've used MDF for a lot of the tool holders because it's a third the price of plywood right now.
For me - the MASSIVE win for cleats is compactness. Many of my tool holders (like the one I keep my hand saws in) use the third dimension. The saw holder holds the saws at 90 degrees to the wall...so I can fit four saws in the space I had one saw hanging parallel to the wall on my old pegboard system. Building the tool holders at the outset was a little time consuming - it took me 3 days to make the basic set...and I often re-make them when I add new tools, or just think of a better organization. I don't regard them as nice pieces of furniture - but rather as semi-disposable quick-builds. Cost isn't a big deal. A 20cm square of plywood or MDF is usually just scrap from some other project, and I have about 20 feet of cleat material pre-cut...so the cost is usually $0.00 - and I can knock one up in 20 minutes, tops. Most of them are just glued and brad-nailed together - only the ones that hold really heavy stuff are screwed.
I’m preparing to build my French cleat wall in a couple weeks, once I get more things cleared out of my space, but I’ve already planned to put two or three cleats on the side of my CNC table. It might be overkill, but I imagine I’ll be able to come with SOMETHING to hang there to put them to good use!?
I’m thinking I’ll do functional groupings too in several cases … nails with nail guns, batteries with chargers, drill bits and the like with drills and drivers (which may be separate from the charger station), etc. But I can see doing some sort of cabinet that will hang on the wall that might house things that I’d rather keep away less exposed to dust but still in the mix. We’ll see. I guess that’s what so cool about this method is that you can do whatever you think will work for you! 🤙🏽🤙🏽
I just finished mounting my 4x8 french cleat panel. So far so good. The limitless customization options and modularity allows for easy storage of tools like carcass saws and jointer planes. But again, it does have some drawbacks. Like become a giant trap for sawdust and dead bugs. 😆 It's also a highly inefficient way of storing smaller objects with holes......like scissors, rolls of tape, crescent wrenches. I put those on the pegboard wall. Also, if you live in a high humidity climate you may have to regularly oil your steel tools to prevent rust.
Thanks for sharing!
I recently installed a 8x4 pegboard in my garage and I love it. Half of it is behind a door which is not suitable for French cleats.
The wall I used is small and between my door to the house and the washing machine, it was otherwise completely wasted space.
It took me a few hours to install and immediately hung a bunch of stuff on it clearing away heaps of things clogging up shelves.
Shops are always evolving and I reckon pegboards are a very good entry level addition to a never complete workshop.
Sonny you are so good and give it all. Had Pegboard and moved up to Metal, much better but I still miss a strong wall to put it all on. Pegboard was cheap and it did the job but Cleats is what I go for now. You are so well organised that it makes me sad!
Thanks for watching and commenting
I'm glad you made this video, and you're definitely talking me into using more French cleats. You can use half inch pine plywood for a lot of this . You choosing to make this an expensive project doesn't make it an expensive project. Pine is about half the price. Paint it later. :)
Thanks for watching and commenting!
You'll never regret doing it. Not only is it more practical (by far) - but building all of those little tool holders is actually a lot of fun.
This is super useful! Thank you for sharing!
Thank you for the information. Good things to ponder. Have a great day Sir!
Same to you David! Hope you are doing well!
Pros: reconfigurable, customizable. With the required space, you could store items out of sight (or even out of reach) when not in use and completely change the role of the shop. Another pro: You are not limited by stud placement when hanging heavy things.
Cons: Vertical position of items is (somewhat) limited by the number and spacing of wall cleats. This can be easily overcome by the design of each accessory.
If you are the type of person who likes to have tools visible and within reach you will love this system.
One way I'm improving upon this is adding some panels of pegboard *to* a french cleat. That way I can store a bunch of smaller lightweight tools without building expensive holders for each, but I can still re-arrange the entire panel (or the tools on the panel) with ease.
That's genius!
I put up a whole sheet of ply wood. Mount that to the stud, or to block wall, or whatever. Then use screws and glue to mount the cleats to the plywood. The female cleats on the wall are the same dimensions as the male cleats on the holders. I first fasten the bottom wall cleat very carefully with a level. I set spacing blocks on that cleat, and rest the next cleat on those blocks, and fasten it to the plywood. I fill the plywood sheet bottom to top with cleats. They're spaced apart just enough to allow the male cleat on the holder to slip in, then down into that 45 notch of the wall's female cleat. The Regular spacing lets me perhaps use a top and lower cleat on certain holders. The regular spacing lets me add a locking block that fits just under the female hooking cleat, or it may lock under the next lower cleat. The regular spacing means that every holder can fit almost anywhere on the pattern.
Kinda hesitated to watch the video thinking i might end up tearing down my cleats. But im glad the pros outweighs the cons. I replaced my cabinets and drawers with the cleat system and i like how they're all accessible and out in a display set up and i can easily remember where i put what. I don't like it bcos it takes time and costs more but when its done, it makes my job easier and i go crazy designing tool racks 😂
I am also in the process of putting french cleat in my garage. I own my home so holes in the walls is not a problem. Cost is always a consideration, but understand that any organization method is going to incur costs that we wish were not necessary. I am not interested in spending $55 a sheet for plywood but consider that I can get ACX plywood for about $36 and use that for the cleats on the walls ( and if necessary, fill and sand the back side if it will show as does about half my cleats). For the storage on the cleats, unless I will be doing TH-cam videos for all the world to do, there is enough scrap to do almost all I need to store.
One con I have heard about from another TH-camr is that because the cleat on the storage item only works when there is weight on it, they will sometimes inconveniently come unhooked from the wall when removing a tool from it. I can't say I have a problem with that, but there are ways to manage it.
Thanks for the series.
Thank you for the comment! I’ve never had any fall from the wall!
Vernon Wankerl I use both French cleats (love them), and pegboard. I have more problems with the little metal hangers falling off the pegboard ( and bouncing into a far away dimension), than I ever do with a cleat tool holder.
I used pegboards for a while as well! Needless to say, not using those anymore!
Note that I said another TH-camr said this was a con of french cleats, not me. That being said, I do pay attention to how I design the french cleat mounts to avoid that possibility. Also, I do use pegboard but only for select things, like bubble packages that I got from the big box store pegboard displays. But even then, I try to mount the pegboard on the french cleat.
This is great. The ultimate French cleat channel. Have you thought about a workbench that utilizes French cleats?
Actually, I have🤔. Lol Thanks for watching!
My workbench and my table saw table have cleats running around the edges for temporary placement of groups of tools.
Another thoughtful video!!! Thanks
First I'm lazy. So I attached a cleat to the top perimeter of all my shop tables. That way I can bring to my work area the units I may need in one move. Not run back and forth for a single tool.
Also I HAD a rolling wall cart which I ripped off all the shelves and boxes from the center support and added cleats in their place. Now I have a rolling French Cleat cart.
Next when I was mounting the wall unit I forgot about the central shop vacs intake gate. So I cut out a hole for the gate. The made some holders to wrap the hose and vac nozzle to. And added a cleat and spacer.
And lastly, two of my shop tables have a flip top action to secure and store my table top devices. The first time I added the cleat I attached one long cleat to the entire edge. WRONG.
After glueing and screwing the cleat it hit me. Now I can't flip the top. To correct that I took my jig saw and cut the cleat wherever there was a flip over edge. Once I freed up the flip top it was still screwed up. The cleat kept rubbing and squeaking. In anger I called it a night.
The next morning my wife tried to sooth my temper by making my favorite Silver Dollar Pancakes for breakfast. And that gave me the solution.
That night after work, I widened the gap between the original cuts. Then whittled an angle cut on the flip over side to insure the two cleats won't make contact. Like back buttering my pancakes.
For the second flip top table I measured the segments of the perimeter twice. Cut once. Where the heck did I hear that before.
Royally screwed,
Jim
Thanks for sharing
Yeah - I've been doing that too. The convenience of being able to grab the entire "Measuring tools" module from the wall and hang it off of the table saw bench is phenomenal. No more running back and forth for the square, the tilt angle gizmo, a pencil, etc...just grab the whole thing and have ALL of those tools where you need them. Same deal with my hand drill - it's on a module with a spare battery, a set of the most common drill bit sizes and a couple of different screwdriver bits. So, again, no more trips back and forth. Putting tools alongside the "supplies" they need is also phenomenally handy...hang sandpaper disks on the module that houses the sander...put the right size staples on the same module as the staple gun. I bought two packs of those cheap BIC propelling pencils and some little clips to hold them - and probably 30% of my modules now have a pencil on them! And just like you, I hit on the idea of making a rolling cart with a bunch of short cleats on each side for when I have to work somewhere else in the house or backyard.
Good comment about cleats on stud walls. I am in the process of doing just that, but I'm going with the "tool wall" concept that I've seen on another channel. So my shop has studs that are 24in on center. So I'm building 3/4 in panels, 24 inches wide, 48 in tall. Then the wall panel will be mounted to the studs, actually becoming a wall. It will also be flexible if i move to another shop, just take the whole panel with me. Not an original idea, "as seen on you tube".
That should work nicely! 👍
Planning, building and using French cleats has one other advantage - they can be fun to make and just one more creation a craftsman can be proud of. Although not as beautiful as the cleats in this shop, cheap or free pallet wood properly selected can produce French cleats just as functional.
I agree! I really enjoyed creating my set-up!
Keep in mind, you don't HAVE to use the expensive 3/4" birch plywood. Sure, it's pretty and all, but not an absolute requirement. Also, consider what you'll be hanging on your cleats. If all you have is lighter weight stuff, then 1/2" plywood will work just as well, and possibly 3/8". Just know that once you go with a certain thickness of plywood, you're stuck with that for that particular wall cleat and associated cleats and spacer pieces have to be made from the same thickness as well.
If you only screw your cleats to the wall (no glue), then it would be possible to upsize them to thicker plywood if needed, althugh this might compromise cleat strength overall.
Either way, I think there are far more positives for french cleats than negatives. I've only had pegboard in my shop once, and I'll never use it again.
Maybe this is the better video to ask about max weight limits on those large holders for like your lumber storage, want to build my own for lumber and possibly build some into shelves for storing filled plastic storage containers.
I just started watching all of your videos on French cleats and I am hooked! (Pun intended) I am new to woodworking but I want to start somewhere. Any channels or links for a brand new beginner? I'll be searching garage sales for a angle miter saw that you use.
Tons of good channels out there! Everyone sort of has their niche! Looks at my subscription list to see the ones I prefer. Buying tools used is a good idea but I definitely recommend building yourself a good workbench. I have a series on mine if your interested in my playlists.
I think a big positive of the french cleat system is that you don't have to plan ahead for tool expansion. If you add tools like clamps, you just need to build a rack for the new tools, hang it up, and done.
In the future, I will try to leave some room for expansion but it’s very difficult to know my needs in the future! Thanks for watching!
@@lastingbuild1373 I think your problem is that you're treating the system like a piece of fine furniture...which you might need to do for whatever reason. But for me, the tool holders are thrown together quickly and mostly from scrap lumber. They don't look pretty, I don't stain or paint them and I use cheap junk lumber or even MDF - but they are aggressively practical - and are largely disposable. I don't build space on a tool module for future expansion - if I get more clamps - I throw away the "clamps holder" and build a new one. Takes 15 minutes and the wood from the old one goes into the scrap bin and probably gets re-used for the next module I need the following weekend. The whole system evolves gradually. Just a couple of days ago, I'm looking at the holder that has four hammers in it and thinking...why the heck do I need four hammers? So I donated two of them to a neighbor and cut down the module to take up less space.
I agree on the pros side. Some of the cons you mentiones will pretty much apply to peg boards as well ( power socket interference, the problem with future storage space extensions). The only real con that I see is the time and money required to set it up.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Hi, I am just starting my french cleat system so thank you for the information, I have chosen this system for my storage because I am severely partial sighted so I believe this will be the easiest storage system for me (I hope ) thanks again.
I don’t think you will regret it. Thanks for watching!
Awesome Video!
Much needed info with all these guys doing french cleat videos lately.
I don't really view most of these cons as "cons" just something to prepare for so thanks for the heads up!
I've been watching a bunch of these French cleat videos getting ready to do the thing but I been thinking the wooden tool holders seem kinda bulky. I mean certain things like the shelves and racks for hand tools make sense to me but then you get the guys carvin out elaborate holders for every single circular saw and power tool they have.
Then again since you can move everything around you can kinda make space whenever you want it.
Have you had any thoughts on this and does it seem to get easily crowded?
Very nice, thanks!!
Your welcome! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing!!
Got a ??? . Did you make an out feed table for your table saw? I know its not the subject of this video but was curious as always! Thank you for all you do!
I’ve had it David! It’s just full of stuff from my current project “will b posted to the channel very soon”!
Thank you very much! Just trying to learn all I can
Watching this one now too.
I see lots of people building large hangers for clamps which I find ridiculous. Clamps are large and take up a lot of room by building large specialized hangers when realistically they can hang very close to each other just about anywhere in the shop. If you have plenty of space then go for it. Clamps are at the bottom of the list for hanging on the cleat wall. Your mileage may vary.
How did you decide on the width of the wall cleat? Was it multiple screws in each stud or do you think one screw would hold an adequate amount of weight.
I think the width adds to the appearance but one screw would likely be suffice in most circumstances. I can’t remember the exact width but I think it’s in one of my prior videos on the build details.
I found ripping stud 2x4 scraps make perfectly good cleats. They're not as wide as yours, but I'm not hanging beef on mine, and they hold fine. So you can reduce cost a lot here (also buy the cheap construction grade plywood; it's perfectly good for shop stuff!)
Thanks for sharing!
Thoughts on using 1/2" shelving on a 3/4" cleat system? Shelving would be 8-16" deep with angled supports.
I see no issue at all!
Thanks again, good info.
Thank you!
I feel like you’re reaching to find negatives. No system is perfect but ‘pegboard’ isn’t even in the same league. We all generate a ton of scrap and converting that to French cleat gizmos is way better than having it gather dust in a scrap bin.
I’ve used both systems and I obviously prefer the cleats! Thanks for watching!
@@lastingbuild1373 The biggest disadvantage which is also is biggest advantage for me is that everything is open. You can see everything and have easy access but at least im experience it also collects a lot of dust. Another albeit minor and that is also more of a personal thing is that it makes it look more busy than having everything in cabinets. I also agree with Tioga, peg board is not in the same league as a french cleat system.
Anyway, thank you for the great video.
@@trollnapf1670 I'd agree that if you want your workshop to look like as pretty and neat as (say) your kitchen - then both French cleats and pegboard look horribly messy. But I maintain that if you want your workshop to be a convenient, efficient way to actually build stuff - then putting things away in drawers and cupboards is a TERRIBLE idea. The half of my double garage that is my workshop is heavily optimized for efficiency and ease of work...and what it looks like is largely immaterial. I don't think there is anything to choose between pegboard and cleats on grounds of visual appeal - but cleats beat pegboard hands down on (1) the number of tools you can fit into a limited amount of space and (2) the ease with which tools can be brought to hand as each one is needed. Dust is a perpetual problem with both systems - but honestly, dust control is important even if all of your tools are hidden away in drawers. So add a central vac system - have dust-collection hoses for all of the big machine tools. Stopping the dust from getting everywhere in the first place is better by far than making it easier to clean up at the end.
Ok I saw you quick tip video but I am using plywood and it still chips the edges. Any specific type of plywood you recommend? I also have to add that I’m using a circular saw I don’t have a table saw, so I’m not sure if that would make a different. What’s your suggestion?. Thank you.
I'm trying t decide between French cleats I hang pegboard sections on as needed or pegboard walls I hang French cleats on as needed (i.e. for heavy items only). Leaning towards the latter as I rarely move heavy items in practice.
@lastingbuild you can just convert your current clamp shelf for more clamps if you turn them flat
I’d move the waterline and the dust collection for more cleats. In fact knock down the walls and expand it into your house. Can never have too many cheats.
Yes it takes time to build but if move u just bring it with u
Use metal cleats...on the wall and the caddies; less bulky, less construction, maybe even cheaper. Why aren't you using CDX? It's a shop! Worried about a few screw-holes in the wall? Are you kidding me?! Easiest thing to patch in the world! A lot of those caddies hanging there could partially at least be built with 1/4 inch, 3/8 inch or 1/2 inch plywood...don't need 3/4 inch for every part of a caddy. The biggest problem I have with this cleat system is that dust covers everything over the years. You don't use all the tools all the time. Nothing wrong with a few cabinets with doors for those occasional-use items. Here in sub-tropical Southeastern Louisiana I have a huge problem with tools rusting even if I leave them out for only a week...cabinets help with that. Air-conditioning doesn't help: tools I kept inside my home for protection rusted completely after a couple of years sitting in a closet. The metal gets cold and moisture condenses. My Table-saw suffers greatly from this.
Good point about the price but have you ever considered using say IKEA storage solutions and just mount a cleat to them so you can use them on your wall?
You have great ideas! My workshop is full of pegboard, but I recently removed some shelving off of a concrete block wall. Will a cleat system work well on this type of wall? I'm thinking of securing the support cleats with Tapcon screws. Opinion?
Sure! As long as your wall cleats are secure it will be rock solid!
You'd need a LOT of Tapcons and wind up with a hell of a lot of holes in your block-wall. Honestly, I'd use tapcons to screw 2x4's to the wall - kinda like framing a wall - then cover that with a sheet of plywood or drywall and attach the cleats through that into the 2x4's.
Great videos on the French cleat. One thing I haven’t been able to find clear answer on is weight limit. I am trying to find a less expensive option to hanging my cabinets I bought from NewAge. So what could a French cleat hold? If installed into the studs and backing secured to back of the cabinets correctly will it hold the a heavy cabinets. Taller items I was thinking at least 2 cleats maybe 3. Thanks
You can buy metal cleats specifically for hanging cabinets. Not sure weight limit but it’s a lot!
You ain't lying about the cost of the dang plywood!
I think your wall cleat is way bigger than it needs to be. I think 2-1/2 inches is plenty. It still allows 2 screws per stud. I cut 5 inch strips of plywood and then cut each one in half at 45 deg. to get 2 cleats. That size also works well for use on the tool holders.
I’ve been think about these French Cleats for a while. I’ve also been thinking about mounting the cleats to plywood and mount the plywood to the wall if I ever have to move the cleats or move houses, etc. I really like the shelves you made for storing wood up on top. Do you have a video or drawing for those hangers? I’m a hobbyist (certainly NOT a pro lol). I can figure out the hangers on my own, but any plans would save me a ton of time... lol
I do not have plans! Mounting to plywood is a common way of doing it!
Yes for newbie is slowlier make these....and of course the much money enough for wood material .....so slowly making but sure.. btw i see u put 2 screw verticcally on it along the wood to wall. d u think it will strong if i put only one ther " regards from indonesia
If you hit studs, I think one screw would work! Your wall cleats do not require the width I used to save money also.
Really appreciate of ure quick answering thks professor🙏🙏
How long ago was this video made, $55.00. You can't buy particle board for that now!
Do your cleats need to be so wide? Thats not 4snark or a suggestion at all, rather a question. It seems to me it would be less expensive with narrower cleats.
Is that a treadle powered lathe?
yes it is!
Man...1/2" thick 4x8 Baltic Birch right now is $85/sheet and I am just starting this project. Yay for me! LOL...
My French cleat edges chip how do I avoid that?
I recently made a video addressing that! Check out the quick tip series!
Ok thank you.
French cleats are awesome. Sure it takes a lot of time to make all the tool holders but woodworkers don't exactly resent having to make more stuff. :-P
Actually, this seems like a pro to me.
More things to build equals more time in the shop....
What do you mean by "stud wall"
Thanks for your pros and cons.
But to be honest, I disagree or miss some....
It looks nice? I guess (a) personal taste and (b) any clean shop looks nice.
It's stronger than any other system?
There are plenty other shelf systems where the strength of your wall is the limit.
You can build a holder for almost anything. So could you build any shelf you put on your wall directly.
It's flexible. No argument there!
It's expensive? Well.... The holders extent the whole wall, but the piece you want to hang. But is it more expensive than building and hanging "propper" shelves?
Limitations by wall features exist for anything you hang on your wall.
Limitations from building what you had? Build a second holder then! You're flexible, have you forgotten?
I'm missing:
It takes up depth. 3/4 away from the wall. If you have a concrete wall, you may consider adding vertical beams so you don't have to turn your wall into Swiss cheese and maintain air circulation. Again, loosing 3/4 again.
To me that's too much overhead, despite all the pros....
It gathers dust, ain't it?
Not only the cleats themselves, also any open holder.
I guess I'd rather fancy a closed tool case at the wall which opens up to a tool wall (holders in the doors).
I took a look at IKEA kitchen wall mounts. They are 2m / 6ft long metal bars to hang shelves to them. Quite flat and sturdy and cheap!
Also flexible to some amount.
Still thinking about what to do with my workspace, so thanks for your view ☺️
Thanks for sharing!
When I seen the title on the cons I thought you might have knocked your pot off lol
😂
Screw and nail holes are the easiest to repair
it might be a bit time consuming depending the amount and if you do them right..no sanding required ( right wrong or different, I've had renters use toothpaste🤔😳😂) , I'd much rather fill them then have to repair a large hole in sheetrock.
Nah! The cons pale in comparison to the pros so much that it is practically irrelevant to even dwell on them. French cleats ALL THE WAY!!!
I thought for Sure you would have that coffee pot up there by now lol
French Cleat wood-shop coffee Bar coming soon lol!
I have one of those small soda refrigerators hanging on my cleat system - the kind that can cool a six-pack. It's a dual 110v/12v thing so I can throw it into the car for cooling soda during a road trip.
I just used scrap wood for all of mine. Also, my cleat is not that wide.
Same here - much narrower cleats - more closely spaced - with much smaller "modules"...I think that's a better approach by far.
Feels like all cons listed are cons for any wall storage. And if we are comparing non-wall storage then french cleat have way more pros suddenly, its easily accessed, all tools are visible, more floor space etc.
I disagree with the expandability and cost cons.
The system is totally modular so any new items you need will easily fit beside or in a totally different space from the original version. Other systems require the same planning for clamp storage.
The cost issue is a debatable also. The cabinet will take the same material regardless of the system. The cleats themselves are the only different expense and can be made of mdf OR particleboard quite easily. As long as they aren't holding more than 20lbs per foot (and more if they are glued to the wall) they are fine).
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! 👍
Cons:
None, there is literally not a single downside to a french cleat wall. Thank tou for coming to my TED talk.
Dust collection, electric boxes, etc will be obstructive to any system. The cleats would actually be easier than pegboard around receptacles and switches.
I think the cleat or tool-wall concept is not an efficient use of space. After you accumulate more and more tools and hardwares you will start to think a single layer of storage just isn't enough. Then you start to build a cabinet to hang on the cleats, then two cabinets, until you finally realize you almost need a full wall of cabinets.
It looks great, but doesn't hold enough stuff IMO.
Some stuff just doesn't fit in a cabinet efficiently like my 48" parallel clamps. I think the best setup is going to be organization that works for each individual shop and maker. My guess is that a combination between cleats, cabinets, peg boards, and shelves is what most people settle into.
A simple solution to not worrying about holes as a renter is learn how to finish drywall and match paint.
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Thanks!
Ahhhh thats why the clamp holder is so small. I have at least 40 clamps which needs a different way to organize them.
A smarter way to handle more of the clamps would be to turn them to the side like they are displayed in most stores. If you made a two simple brackets that hooked into the cleats that are 8 inches in depth, then the F clamps would sit flat to the wall instead of perpendicular. This way, you could store 6 F clamps in the same space. I think what he missed is researching a good design for the tool holder before setting out to build it.
that waterline is in the way of good storage … should take less than an hour to move it out of the way
I paid $109/sheet for 18mm birch plywood.
French Cleats are great, but I think ‘less is more’… typically.
Your cons are not cons really, imho (speaking for myself). Light panels, ducts and wires on your walls are not a con because I can't use that space anyways. The cost is really what I decide to spend, because a shelf is a shelf whether it's on a cleat or not. Time invested, for me, is time well spent organizing and working on my hobby. Holes can be patched if I decide I want to use the wall for something else. Building nice spots for my tools is how I enjoy spending free time.
Thanks for sharing! 👍👍
You know how much plywood is now
Con- your garage has something French in it
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The more research I do , steel pegboard is 1000000x better. Time is is money. Just buy hooks, and steel board
Is steel pegboard what you are using or your plan?
@@lastingbuild1373 i love your video btw man , straight to the point. Good pros and cons. And yes I am using steel pegboard. Only because its what they had atm , otherwise regular pegboard is good 👍 cheap , fast to install. French cleats look beautiful but unfortunately like you mentioned takes a while to build and then you have to also build all the holders.
Thanks a bunch!
EVERY single 'con' sounded like an EXCUSE that you did not plan or that you care more about appearance or cost than you do PRACTICALITY. Leaving space for dust collection pipe or water pipe tells me you would have had to do the SAME for any other system. You cannot attach a cabinet to the wall with pipes behind them either (EXCUSE after excuse)
My two cents....
Your cons is a little over Exaggerated, wall outlet, clamp rack size, these are not cons of the French cleat system the clamp rack is a con of itself and the outlet would get in the way Of a French Cleat and a pegboard so that’s no excuse and the price of the material is not nearly as bad as pegboard where a 4x8 sheet can cost from $95 to $200 uline has one for $179. This video has to be Remade with a direct focus on the pros and cons of the French cleat and pegboard because this video that you have made sound like nothing but complaints. I’m not trying to get you upset nor trying to disrespect you this is just my honest opinion. You just have to consider other factors like the price of a pegboard and peg hooks rather than falsely claiming the price is expensive because this is cheaper than pegboard
Oh that editing... So many jump cuts, then to make it worse jump cut to your back so you can turn around. It's not the 80s anymore
lot of echo
sorry! I think I've got that corrected now
More Cons:
You cannot put things where ever you want! You are stuck with putting things where the cleats are. What if you need or want something 1-6 inches up or down?
You have to make the cleats
You have to have your tool holders adapt to the cleats
Yes you can hang a way overbuilt timber frame saw horse off other kinds of hanger mount systems
I could write many more but you get the idea
As you can tell the cleat system didn't work for me or my shop.
I find using plywood sheets allows me to put things where ever I want, without having to rig some kind of cleat system. You just make the tool holder the way you want and screw it to the plywood. When you change your mind just unscrew it and screw it elsewhere. The small screw hole left is hardly noticeable, insignificant and most of the time you can't see it. And you save money because you can use utility grade plywood and not the expensive birch - thus allowing for more coverage for the same expenditure. YMMV
Just say no to pegboard
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So a couple of the cons are you using expensive plywood(your fault) bad planning in sizes of holders( your fault) having to plan for obstructions( have to do that with every build) so basically mostly not cons just your fault.Got it.
2years To Build A Cleat System? You Are Slow