Stellaris Maginot Build vs All 10x Crisis
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This Stellaris Ultimate Defence Build will allow us to fight three 10x crises without needing to build a single ship! This is the Maginor Line in space!
Lets dive and find out more!
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Stellaris Version 3.8.2
This video was filmed in patch 3.8.2 some things (like the generals trait for extra defence platform capacity) have now changed. However the general thrust still remains the same and as no platforms even took damage the armour bug is irrelevant!
Oh, and I had to force spawn in the zroni tech, as I didn't roll the zroni precursor and didn't want to restart the game again and again!
For those asking the defence platforms had two designs, one full hanger design and the other full neutron launcher!
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I've always liked how the devs made the galactic council useless and never focus on the threat... exactly like how it'd be in real life.
Galactic Council: "Ah, yes, 'The Crisises'. The various galaxy ending threats just waiting to happen everywhere. We have dismissed this claim."
UN in fuckin nutshell=
Literally how the EU reacted to the war in Ukraine lol. Meanwhile UK and USA were already sending weapons and training the Ukraine's military 5-10 years before the invasion.
@@chickenmadness1732 So you mean during the non-official war? Bigger and smaller attacks have been going on since late 2013 honestly. And USA sends weapons to any place that can give even the smallest profit, so nothing surprising here
@@chickenmadness1732 Yeah, when you support an armed coup in hopes of sparking a war, you would usually send weapons to your puppets.
As someone who has 1000 hours in Stellaris, yet relies on starbases to defend my wide empires as my fleets suck, I applaud you sir. You have done the ultimate Switzerland.
I know your pain.
Trying to breach into Commodore difficulty here, but the AI always seems to have 3x my fleets. Starbases seem to hold though, so it's just a matter of improving my fleet game i suppose.
@@Amyante No, starbases are definitely way more alloy efficient in the early-mid game. Think of it as having Terran tanks in a SC game.
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym Oh i know, and i agree. The problem is that since my fleets are comparatively weak, it feels like i can't do anything but turtle and hope the AI doesn't send more than one fleet at my starbase at a time. And if, for whatever reason, i lose my chokepoint system the enemy basically has free reign since my fleets can't stop them.
I've got the economy part down so my empires can generally afford it, but numbers mean little when my ships themselves are a wet noodle.
My fleet power usually dwarfs everyone but the scourge and I still prefer to turtle. Because I know that my citadels, 1m+ power, could tank a couple fleets because of planet rings and the strategy coordination center.
@@larryblake842 Yeah if you have a chokepoint system full of planets you can basically ignore that side of your empire and send your whole fleet to conquer who ever is on the opposite end.
Even if they're pure energy, Montu still manages to melt the Unbidden.
Did you skip ahead sir 😅
@@MontuPlays It's bed time here, I'll watch in full tomorrow.
Still couldn't resist the joke.
You can't beat the Drej, they're pure energy!
"Platform go brrrr"
I love learning more about how to actually use starbases to defend planets and such, keep up the good work Montu.
Hope you enjoyed the video!
Personally I really want to know what defense platforms used, what are the best designs when it comes to defense?
@@art-games6230 depends on what you want to counter
Proportions of different blueprints are key
@@Сталкер-ь2х yes, but I personally like generalist designs since I make a lot of enemies, and in the 3 crises use vastly different technology, so a generalist design is basically required
@@art-games6230 Montu used a mix of hangars (12:01 + 26:19) and I assume whirlwind missiles (that starbase has 2 armor and 1 shield as seen from him hovering over it, example: 25:18)- to maximize range (but this is a guess because it's never shown). His starbase template is shown at 32:19.
You can probably find out what weapon he uses for that second set of starbases from the fights... but I don't know them lol but hey, 30:55 has an engagement if you want to try to guess.
The most interesting about this is the crises avoiding montu’s space, it shows that even though the starbases can be cost effective, they still have the problem of not being flexible and not being able to force a fast conclusion to a war
well, it's never was a solution to end it quickly. but, in long run, you might only need to defeat one crisis because they will kill each other before they can break your defenses and by then you will have fleet strong enough to defeat them in one fell swoop. defense is there to buy you time.
@art-games6230 @ryanrizqullah306 I would say you guys are both right, but it depends on your empire build, and galactic events. As a general rule, it is better to invest in fleets because they are far more dynamic throughout a whole run.
For instance the alloys invested in defensive starbases(upgrades and defense platforms) could have been used for ships leading to straight domination through the early-mid-late game. Acquiring either new systems or vassals, end goal being the same, more resources. More resources = more ships, more ships = more conquest = more resources, etc, the cycle continues until crisis. Then overwhelm them with vassals/federation allies and your massive fleets using the "take point" function. That is the easiest way of beating 25x.
However, defensive station are excellent for 'tall'/'slow-burn' empires like tech runs can be(not always the case, depends how you play it). My last stellaris run, I was making over 100k science with 20 million power stations and a relative small space, while accumulating more and more megastructures after one of the three 25x crisis destroyed that system. So long story short, it depends on what you want to do
@@ryanrizqullah306unfortunately, the crises can’t really kill each other fully.
~26:10
I think you need a second set of defence platforms that's full armour.
Because unless shield hardening stops the neutron star shield nullification, your 5-shield platforms are undoubtedly underperforming by quite a lot in that system.
You can even see your Starbase with just 4k shield and your platforms with an empty bar at :19.
Montu did this when there was a bug where defence platforms would be given the armour bonus that the starbase got
so if you had a citadel, defence platforms would receive +40000 armour
@@dazeyndrowsy And? That's immaterial to my argument.
He's still building 5 shield-slot Platforms in a system with 100% shield nullification.
That's wasted alloys and energy.
Even if it's not bugged and he only gets what armour he should actually get, it's still an improvement over paying alloys and eventually gas for 0 shields.
Maybe shields give a bigger number than armour for the combat power calc so he used it to get 1m, it's still actually worse than a station with less power that actually has working defences for it's platforms.
@@Azzaciel defenses we're pretty irrelevant because they killed everything before it got into range. Agreed it was suboptimal to have shields on a starbase with shield nullification, but I couldn't be bothered to change it
@@MontuPlays other question, why did you pick here be dragons and the evolution ascension? Wouldnt other builds be more beneficial to this objective?
Also why didnt you go for fallen empire tech? Or dragon armor tech?
@@detachsoup6061 That's actually addressed in the video. The Dragon basically serves the role of a starbase over your home system in the early game- it's considered an allied unit, and anyone declaring war on you would have to fight it to take your home system. Since it's valued at ~30-35k fleet strength, it'll be several decades before anyone can fight it (even without backup from fleets or starbases of your own)
I’d love to see a galaxy where it’s just Unbidden, Prethoryn, and Contingency battling it out of control of the galaxy and Montu’s little Switzerland weathering the storm. A gentle city ringed by hundreds of defensive platforms.
I just imagine a little unbidden kid with a galactic map asking his dad about the world
"Hey dad, what's over there?"
"That's Prethoryn territory my son."
"And there?"
"This is the Contigency's sector."
"And what's that little spot right here?"
"...that's the Vulcan Science Directorate. Son, never go there. You won't be coming back."
Basically my ideal Inward Perfection game. Just me tending to my garden while the rest of the galaxy burns
I didn't know they could spawn at the same time.
I actually can see how this would happen as
1. prethoryn scourge attacks galaxy
2. unbidden see this as a lot of prey, so it's a good time to start hunting in this galaxy
3. contingency see unbidden as a threat therefore it also attacks the galaxy
feeding frenzy?
Quarry? Is that the word you're looking for?
@@theinternetpolice2078 I really don't know, English isn't my native language, so maybe
Prey is the word you are looking for
@@douglaswetak9686 oh, yeah, that seems to be right
I think you forgot to mention the Zroni Stormcaster thing a bit earlier in the video. Still, that's really strong.
The real question here is: How did Montu get the Storm Caster with the First League as Precursor? If someone know this (and the answer is not cheating), for the love of god, please tell me. Then I can stop restarting over and over again for the Zroni
@@karhukoira Did not see it, thank you! Paradox really needs to add an option to choose the precursor you get. And an option to choose the L-Gate outcome
@@RandomGuy-qr5jw Good point!
@@RandomGuy-qr5jw There's a mod called "Known Precursor" that let's you choose your precursor, or even none or multiple if you'd like to. Not sure if it's been updated to fit the current version though
@@lantami1199 Not sure if entirely up to date but definitely useable and gets updated reasonably quickly
You could add an Inward perfectionism for flat +30% defense platform hull points and +30% damage output, this is a counsellor position tho, and maxed out on chancellor lvl 10
a defensive system that is neither submissive nor breedable
i didn't expect to see a pop culture reference here omggg 😭😭😭
@@rrrr2150 Where is this from?
@@JohnSmith-bs9ym idk where it came from but it was used a lot on twitter around 2021-2022 to describe one’s appearance. It’s used as a compliment
NOT THE MIMI SENTRY
@@rrrr2150 As usual with internet slang, it either originated or became popular through 4chan and other forums, from then it spread to Reddit, Twitter and Tumblr. IIRC, it was also a joke similar to the chad stereotype, 4channers wanted to talk about a "perfect gf".
Much like with chads, this idealized version drew mockery from many but also a bunch of low self steem people to latch on to it. The same incel crowd looking for a "tradwife" and pick-me e-girls/attentionwhores with daddy issues trying to get said attention from that gullible crowd.
Okay, yeah, we definitely need to see this ultimate defense put up against the ultimate challenge: 25x Crisis!
I just got a playthrough where I simultaneously was fighting The Chosen (fanatic purifiers), the Unbidden, and both Awakened Empires.
But luckily, I had watched this video and thought it sounded like fun, so my territory was entirely impregnable, no navy needed. Sure, all my vassals were dying horrible deaths while knocking on the gates for me to help, but I was safe and sound, and as the galaxy burned around me, I drank a little bit of wine while the flames danced in my eyes.
The only thing you're missing is the Ancient Ramparts modules for an extra 12 Defense Platforms. Also it gives some Armor and Armor Hardening for your Starbase but who cares for that. There's also the Defense-Grid Super-Computer Building that gives an extra 8 Defense Platforms, squeezing just that bit more firepower for your Starbases. Once your done building DPs, just switch buildings for something else. And if you weren't going for the Zroni Stormcasters you could build the Ancient Shield Overcharger for lots of Shields and Shield Hardening on your DPs. There's also the Mercenary Garrison building from Mercenary Enclave for the extra 15% attack speed, stack with Command Center, I believe, for a spicy 25% attack speed.
As for factor you can't control, Orbital Rings. If you can get them, they're great for the extra building slots, letting you stack all the building effects. And they could build their own DPs as well, with the ones farther back having Ion Cannons so they can still chip in. Although against the Crisis you'll probably not want to build Orbital Rings on the planets next to where the Crisis is going to come in from, for obvious reasons.
If you really want the Ultimate Defense System, Worm. Get Worm, Black Hole System with lots of inhabitable Planets for Orbital Rings and an obscene amounts of DPs, or just Ions Cannons, even. Heck, if we're talking about just taking down Crisis the Ruination Glare, the Titan weapon with Mad DPS but short range will probably be great, due to the 50% range Starbase Building.
That's about all I can think of with improving the defense.
he has the defense grid supercomputer on his starbases you moron.
33:42
Can't imagine the audacity of those synths, trying to infiltrate and scare your empire when they don't see the 700K power citadels glaring upon them as their Contingency papa gets mutilated to death
WHAT were the weapons you had on your defense platforms by the time the crisis happened?
did you ever figure this out?
@@MrMrblazer1234 Nope
@@Specopleader turns out he posted them in the description of the video-- it was neutron launcher platforms, hanger platforms, and nothing else so far as i understand
@@MrMrblazer1234 interesting. good to know thanks
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I would love to see you do a video on this with 25x crisis lol. Maybe at the end even go crisis yourself and have the rest of the galaxy declare war on you with maxed out buffs for them.
I just finished an aquatic hivemind empire with a general hydrophilic agenda of turning every world into a waterworld. When making my chokepoints, the zroni storm caster made it so fun to create these all these hull/armor shredding machines. It was incredibly effective in terminal egress. I started just watching the flights try the mad dash for the platforms just to get shredded with very little chance to disengage. ITS A TRAP!
It’s always wild to me when I see a reminder of just how much Stellaris changes in a year. I’ve been playing since launch, and I so easily lose track of what changed when. Hell, it’s easy to forget that some things even changed at all, like planets being the anchor points of your empire.
You can use the ancient battelments / fortifications for even more defense platforms. (Starbase module)
What was the final defense platform build?
same question
I did a similar run, full tech rush. By the time the first 25x crisis came my stations were at 5 million. The rest showed up and could not contend. I stopped playing because it got boring, but I think the year was 2450-2475 but my stations were closer to 20-25 million. I was roleplaying as the ancients if anyone knows the tv show Stargate
Wouldn't it be even more self-reliant and stable with hiveminds?
Like you could do your own overlord on a specialized planet, surrounded by your own territory for protectorate stuff, you get extra 15% boost on your starbase from offspring building and have immortal council, never in need of replacement, and can also double on the starbase boost by picking the admiral hivemind too...
The generals would be the same probably.
You know Monty, I was sitting and playing Stellaris. I realized you haven't done a " All Paragon Leaders ranked" And I am baffled, yet now eagerly wait.
I don't know if anyone can confirm. But I was playing a session where I had 4 Paragon leaders. One of them was Warform, a slaver, a spy, and a General-slaver. I went to use the Archaeo-Tech Ascension perk, and I saw on the bottom that an even would happen for two of my leaders. Warform and someone else, I believe the slaver. But no event ever happened, and when I tried to recreate that. Nothing happened. Am I just delusional?
could be a cool idea to focus defense platform buildspeed and simply build infinite platforms during a battle to make it impossible to lose
With the Archeotech modules they'd be even stronger lol. I would love to see it with those instead.
So you use the vassal contracts, general traits, normal defensive social policy, a accention perk for better bases and nebulars.
Then you build a million starfighters and experience how a queen bee feels in her hive.
What happens if your overlord perishes, do you lose all your benefits?
just surround your overlord so they're trapped. It's like an interstellar version of rogue servitor, they get to sit in their little systems and be "in charge" while you actually do everything.
intresting the new Robo-mommy hard counters this perfect defense as she forces you to address her
would inward perfection work? Up to 30% damage and hull hp.
A solid idea, but I'm pretty sure Inward Perfectionist prevents you from becoming a vassal, does it not? If that is the case, the 50% from Bullwark 3 is better, but if I'm wrong, then both stacking sounds great.
On my last pre-Paragon save I also got to millions of fleet power with starbases, I love it! I went into a different route, with Inward Perfection instead of being a Bastion vassal.
at the end, which design were you using for the defense platforms? it didn't look like you were using the only strike craft one
Early on it showed strike craft in his first design of the platforms (12:00), and later the enemy was shooting at *something* but not getting any damage (33:20) - There's no way they were getting 100% misses against defense platforms & Stations with 0 evasion, so they must have been shooting down either strike craft or torpedoes/missiles.
My guess would be the strike craft.
He replied on another comment. One is hangars, one is neutron launchers.
Mass extinctions are going on across the galaxy and the monsters are coming for them, but your defenses are just so powerful the only concern for the people on your planets are, "Hmm, it might rain today."
I do a no fleets challenge and I've just done this absurd thing and I absolutely love it:
Release a single planet sector as a vassal => Release the vassal => Form a federation with you being in charge => Ask to become their bulwark with unrestricted diplomacy
Now my empire has all benefits of being a bulwark and a fed member, but also is completely in control of the overlord's actions. Moreover, the overlord's one pop economy is in total collapse, but I still get huge subsidies as a percentage of my own income and this is totally broken.
Build a super tall empire of resource production make overlords fight over you like a bunch of hounds over a hotdog
"simply bonkers" among the best words ever spoken.
I tried a bulwark build once.
It was fun until a rebellion turned half my 650k+ stations against me. Many fleets were lost in the campaign to reclaim them.
I'm so glad you're doing these again, they're my favorite to watch while I eat
>Impregnable.
Oh, so you think!
driven educator gives you science indeed you can check by looking at the amount you get of a specific one it will say X because of pops
The only thing he didn't show us was the weapons and armor and shields he was using
This is great, I always wanted to try a build like this one.
Recently had a similar game where being a vassal was the most powerful thing, minus being impregnable, as I was impregnated multiple times from two different sides, enough so I was pushed back to one system & vassalised. I was able to get a contract that allowed me max resources possible from my overlord, which led me to build the tallest I've ever gone, so much so that before I overthrew my overlord, i was strong enough to have 300K diplomatic power.
Renowned leader Jynn brought his pupil with him! He was too stronk
I wish you would've done a time lapse of the galaxy being taken over and ur empire just unchanged.
One of the civilization's next to my mine in the playthrough I am doing, automatically made me apart of their federation because I was everything they wanted in an Ally.
So they really liked me from the get go, and now we have 6 federation members before even the half way mark in the game.
what was your defence platform design(s)?
Oh, 2 designs, carriers and neutron launchers
The vulcan science directorate has determined that time travel is impossible
This video reminds me of my choke point system with neutron star and citadel with defensive platforms focused on armor defenses and armor and hull damage with about 400k power. I also melted everything in there.
yk ironically I did this by complete accident, even the most powerful armies struggled to get past the 4 or so choke points I created to whittle them down as I send 3 big ass fleets after them, hand tuned to literally murder anything
THAT is a good placement Ladys and Gentlemen.
Well this has completely changed my opinion of starbases and defense platforms.😮😮😮😮
thta was a pretty good plug, background was perfect. :D
That kinda reminds me of that Switzerland quote
"What are you going to do if we show up with 4 million fleet power"
"Shoot twice and go home"
One thing you missed is being space dwarfs
My computers hard drive kicked the bucket so iv been trying not to watch videos of games that were on my computer so I don’t wanna play them really bad, unfortunately you posted so I gotta watch
this reminds me of the phalanx in 40K, great stuff, and keep up the amazing work!
It lacks only engine to move to be it
Finally a build suited to my playstyle, definitely not going to use this against in my hosted games... (I am definitely using this)
i just started Stellaris yesterday. it already feels like i need to graduate from Harvard to grasp all the Mechanics of the Game
Space goblin won't let anyone near his stash
What is the defense platform build you used? Is there a mix of multiple kinds, or just one type you spam? Do you use ion cannons?
I was waiting the whole video for him to show the build...
Saw a glimpse at 26:19. Looks like he's mixing two different kind of platforms, but haven't glimpsed the other one yet.
I'm pretty sure based on the battle around 31:45 that the other design is neutron launchers
@Tracker947 That's what it looks like. In previous patches, the general way to build platforms was for best range to attack incoming fleets as soon as possible and try and destroy them before they get in range to fight back.. Usually strike craft hangars early-mid game, then switch to Neutron launchers once you have them and one Ion cannon when you get it. However, I don't know if that's still the go-to way to do platforms. He showed hangar platforms early on, but this later fight does look like neutron launchers. It could also be Whirlwind Missiles, as those also have good range and neutron launchers are no longer as good as they used to be. Would love confirmation on it though.
I'm playing a 25x crisis run and was super excited to see this, too bad all the bonuses I didn't have yet are in dlc I don't have :( I guess I just need to settle with my 300k stations
Always intersting to see these playthroughs, especially since I never get to live through a playthrough of my own. Even on ensign lol
I’m gonna make the ultimate maginot that even the Katzens Infinite probability cannot blitz my borders
These starbases are on STRONG birth control
Just make sure they don't attack you through belgium. 😂
If its good enough for porcupines, good enough for space battles. (Attack me and make it easier to defend the more you attack me)
*Lore Accurate WH40k Galaxy*
wait, you built defensive platforms with shields only on the system with the pulsar with shield nullification, doesn't that disabled all shields from the defensive platforms?
Funny I am currently doing a run with Gigastructural Engineering where I am going up against Max difficulty Aeternum and my first line of defence is a total of 9 Maginot Worlds.
Guess we're both in a turtling mood.
Okay that add transition was smooth tho
tbh i never upgrade defensively my base like usually they are just producing a lot of ship to make a fleet so effing huge that i don t need to see the starbases attacked
The Vulcan Science Directorate has concluded that getting a million power on a starbase is impossible
Empire wide armor hardening as a leader trait? Shut up and take my money.
I love the strategic cropping to hide certain things from the viewer...
Inward perfect has a councilor position that benefits Defense Platforms. Missed opportunity
What is the build of your defense platforms on the late game?
I think he didn't change the shield build
Going by the damage and range, I'm pretty sure it's a combination of Hangars and Neutron Launchers. The Neutron Launchers are a fantastic choice in particular, if you know the enemy will have zero shields (like with the Stormcasters)
Would like to know your defense platform build. And the "optimal" bulwark starbase build. I know you showed 1 on screen, but I wasnt sure if that was your "optimal" build.
Aweseome, I'll have to test it against ACOT and I love the references.
Randomly found this video and I'm curious to see if you did this sort of defence and became hated by everyone so it's you vs the galaxy
No, I just let them die
The "you shall not pass" of builds.
Should put a couple of titans with offensive auras in those systems
its funny i was recommended this, i generally dont do it but every one of my fleets was wiped and was forced to turtle and my top chokepoint was at 1.3 mil. nothing and i mean nothing lasted more then 10 seconds when they warped in. torpedo platforms for the win!
Would've been nice if you also showed the defense platform builds :D
Just 2 simple builds, hangers and neutron launchers. Everything else on there doesn't matter
@@MontuPlays Thanks!
Would love to see this redone with the new guardian civic
That ... Is a good idea!
@@MontuPlays something u could do at the same time is show off the new knights of the toxic god planetary options from the situation. which in total are 10% damage, +1 base researcher output, 10% happiness, +1 unity from all knights, +15% resources, 25% strike craft attack speed, +2 food from squires, +1 gas from squires, +7 district slots, 10 knights and 20 squires plus u can still pick +4 research from knights or 4 unity and 2 research.
so would be an interesting thing to show while doing that. you could even do a story spin that they are fanatic defenders to protect from the toxic gods return.
Aquatic vulcans... that is about as opposite to star trek cannon as it can be since vulcan is a hot desert world.
good ad transition
The ai realized you were invincible
The best unity rush build is a materialist equalitarian build...Love it !
I know the Commander of the Watch councilor from the inward Perfection civic provides more defense platform bonuses, and not sure when it is active in the video, but I am use you used the agenda from unyielding. Does inward perfection prevent you from being a subject, or does it make you more dependent on an empire attacking you for vassalization?
Additionally, how did you get the 7 trait options for that leader at 22:06?
UI Overhaul Dynamic is ironman friendly (but not all its submods).
what if you combine this with planetary rings as well?
Even more space for fighters.
But this only works on systs with planets and take away the 3 destructs boost.
What was your platform loadout and do you use ion cannons? Without bullwark and the new dlc i reached about 600k fleetpower on my starbases as hivemind orgin.
Something interesting would be to use a super defensive build and let like 2-3 crisis/super empires conquer the galaxy and then try bit by bit to reconquer it.
Like you are a bastion of old time in a new era and you try to reconquer what belonged to you.
You lose the bastion bonuses if your overlord dies. That's like half of your starbase power.
how did you equip the defence modules? only with hanger stations and shields?
I could never leave the disparate races of the galaxy to fend off the threat alone.
That sponsor intro was awesome :D
My fav "Maginot build" is a spiritualist bio-empire with subterranean as origin and miner guilds and memorialist as civics then I grab necromancy as the third...the early game is really weak but I don´t mind because I want to be weak...just you showed, becoming a vassal not a bad thing...abusing the overlord and the gobernor/protector system until the endgame..
They better not find a Belgium to go through
How did Montu's starbases have range this long?
I mean - apart from the mandatory +20% range from that Starbase building.
getting planetary rings act as starbases.