Wind River - Official Movie Review
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- Wind River starring Jeremy Renner, Elizabeth Olsen, and Martin Sensmeier directed by Taylor Sheridan is reviewed by Christy Lemire (www.ChristyLemi...) and Alonso Duralde (TheWrap and Linoleum Knife podcast).
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WIND RIVER is a chilling thriller that follows a rookie FBI agent (Elizabeth Olsen) who teams up with a local game tracker with deep community ties and a haunted past (Jeremy Renner) to investigate the murder of a local girl on a remote Native American Reservation in the hopes of solving her mysterious death. Written and directed by Taylor Sheridan, WIND RIVER also stars Gil Birmingham, Jon Bernthal, Julia Jones, Kelsey Asbille, and James Jordan.
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Why do so many film critics think that every female character is intended to symbolize all women? Not everything is about gender politics. Main characters are supposed to show weakness so that the audience can sympathize with them. That's just normal storytelling, not sexism.
Great comment!
Yeah, the only thing Elizabeth Olsen represents is just herself
Kinda weird how Alonso is the one complaining about the alleged mansplaining and Christy didn't get that at all.. Then he insists.. Sounds like mansplaining.. lol.
Really lame. She doesn’t know because she’s an outsider. Alonzo way to force your agenda onto this movie. People grow up around reservations and fall in love with people on the reservation. This dude is lame af
Wow. Alonzo, you missed the point of this film completely.
Yeah he is way off on all of his criticisms. I like him less and less every week.
Nothing to see here folks. Just Alonso completely writing off another film because it doesn't perfectly cater to his particular brand of identity politics.
And because it's not a gay movie.
Your brand is racism. Boom
Nothing to see here folks. Just some commenter completely writing off Alonso's fair criticisms because it doesn't perfectly cater to his perspective about politics.
Alonso's criticisms aren't even consistent. If he thinks Elizabeth Olsen is too young, out of her depth and hard to believe as an FBI agent then isn't it even more logical that the other characters around her would not treat her seriously and constantly be correcting and instructing her. He's displaying a similar kind of prejudice as the very same characters he is criticizing and he doesn't even realize it.
When you replace Alonzo with a competent movie critic I will subscribe. This movie was gritty, well written and shot beautifully.
no one will care either way lol
Alonso is terrible
Alfonso, You seriously need to dial it back. Christy got the picture, thought this film was extremely well made and well acted.
I've been looking forward to this movie. After hearing that Christy liked it and Alonso found it to be problematic, now I'm really looking forward to it.
I don't think her being 'out of her element' is to do with her femaleness, it is to do with her age. They wanted to cast a younger actress, so there's no way she can sell being experienced, so they have to make her a newbie. That isn't sexist, it's logical. What I would question is why they didn't make the character an older 40-year-old woman, an equal with Renner in experience? I haven't seen the film, so perhaps her newness adds to the dichotomy of the movie, or maybe they just thought Olson was too good to turn down and they would've aged the character up/down depending on who they cast.
Alonso is too quick to call things sexist or racist - those labels should carry far more weight.
Her being green, young, AND female was a PERFECT choice for this movie. Would the FBI really be willing to waste their seasoned vets on a reservation crime scene (possible homicide)? I'm not even an SJW and I know THAT.
I really don't get this new way of reviewing movies. People bring their ideology into the review. If a movie threats its woman characters poorly, it can still be a good movie with a great story and good acting. Alonso thinks the movie suffers because Renners hunter is being presented as more capable of solving the crime then Olsens cop. Maybe thats the point. Shes a newbie and out of her element, is that a bad thing? Of course we want equality in the real world but do movies now have a duty to show character as equal? It's so strange to me. ( Excuse my english, not my first language)
Well, maybe if it's 12 Angry Men. Nowadays, critics are just bringing up how often it's the same thing in the script over and over, so if it's yet another movie that treats women poorly, yeah I think it's relevant for them to bring up. Alonso complained about some reasonable things, but I feel the thing he focused on was less the point. It's not the issue that she is out of her element, it's probably the issue that since they wanted to cast an Elizabeth Olsen, instead of an older actress, she therefore had to be out of her element. I guess that's a step up from movies in the 80s where a doctor is barely 25.
The motif is reminiscent of Sicario, also by the same writer, so I think Alonso is frustrated by the repetition. That said, he could be critical of recurring patriarchal themes like this, too.
It's not a new way of reviewing. Critics have always brought their ideologies into their reviews (as do film makers) it's just that it bothers you when you don't agree with them.
D Mc I don't know. I suspect me and Alonso are pretty close in our beliefs. I just think it's not a valid criticism to say that a movie is dissapointing because the male character got to be more of a hero then the female character. I think most people what equality in our sociaty, but you can't expect all art to be a reflection of how YOU want sociaty to be. And people are getting mad at that stuff before the movie is even released. Just look at the think pieces for the new Death wish trailer.
BurgusLasVegas... I can see where the reviewer can feel it detracts from enjoying a film if he feels there's a pattern across multiple films (Alonzo mentioned Sicario having a similar negative perspective). I would agree except that i didn't see that as being the case. IMO both films had female leads thrown into an unfamilar situation where they ultimately held their own. Sorry but getting or at least considering advice from someone with more experience in this kind of situation isnt necessarily a bad thing.
If people can't handle the concept of other people having different opinions to them they shouldn't watch fucking film reviews. Grow up, people, it's not fucking hard to do.
How dare there be a white male lead in a movie set in Wyoming!!!!
This is not a smurf account. You mean a movie set on a reservation, which is predominately native.
it was filmed in utah
it was set in Wyoming tho, doesn't matter where it's filmed
Jim Bones
"It was filmed in Utah" so? Utah is a Mormon state you sjw fucktard.
The dude has no idea wtf he has talking about and has clearly never visited a reservation.
Source: Live on a reservation in Montana, am mostly white.
Alonso's brand of liberalism can be really really annoying sometimes. Not one of his complaints about this flick had anything to do with the qualities of the actual movie.
When PC culture meets movie reviews.
jeez Alonso, was that supposed to be a critical review of this film?
This is an EXTREMELY well done movie. But be warned now, they get the bad guy, everything gets explained, but the ending is SAD. I am a manly man, but i cried at the end.
I am also not sure that Jane was supposed to be presented as Cory's equal in competence. He was her senior in terms of experience, actual age, and did lead several interactions without stepping over her. ... But see, here's the thing. That sort of paternal dynamic would bother me if they were supposed to be love interests, but I don't think they were. Their dynamic grew to be just that: paternal.
She's not a child, of course, and she's tough and thinking hard and doing her best out here. And he sort of grows fond of her as they work together. By the end, he's taught her some things about surviving out in Wyoming. And he's bringing her a stuffed toy and reading magazines and saying he's proud of her, she did really good, she's gonna be alright. It's okay.
And like she says, she knows what he's doing. He's fathering her. But she doesn't object, and maybe she needs that a little after the mess she just went through.
Maybe he just needs, for once, to teach his daughter figure all she has to know to keep herself alive.
Dragoeniex Wow! That's kinda deep. How he looks after her is kinda his way of teaching her the things he can no longer teach his own daughter.
It's a little paternal. Not a lot obviously, cause she is young but not that young, but that he needs this bit of catharsic outlet to allow himself to lead Jane in a way that he couldn't lead Emily.
He couldn't help his daughter but he CAN help Jane and by God is she going to survive.
Midgetwithahacksaw Yeah, that really adds another layer of tension, and I like how it's wrapped up with that moment in the hospital. It's an interesting dynamic!
Yep
Wow, I lean pretty socially liberal but c'mon - it's just a movie. People get too up-in-arms about race and gender politics. I haven't seen the movie (yet) but all of the guy's negative thoughts on the film had to do with how Olsen's character isn't EMPOWERED enough and how Renner's character isn't native american. Enjoy the movie for what it is, rather than finding politically motivated things to complain about.
I was lucky enough to see this film about a week ago at a preview screening and it was a really well-made film. I agree with Christy, it felt like the Jeremy Renner and the Elizabeth Olsen characters were equals and worked well together. In reading and watching reviews of the film I keep hearing male film critics claiming Elizabeth Olsen's character was weak or too dependent on the men in the film, etc, and this brings up an interesting contradiction in which male film critics are mansplaining (for lack of a better word) about how this film had too much mansplaining. Meanwhile, I found that she has some moments in the film (not just in the end as Alonso complained) that showed real strength.
Let's be real, the character wasn't a superwoman type, she was flawed and imperfect but I came away understanding the characters flaws as being connected to her being a human and not about her being a woman. Any person would be weak in that environment if they didn't have significant experience in the snow and the cold and the wilderness.
It was a realistic portrayal. And your description was good. its a well made film. Both technically and artistically. The cinematography is very good and so is the acting. And a brutal description of sexual violence and hard lives of Indian Americans. Of course Jeremy Renner was the lead character but I thought Elizabeth Olsen did well. She played her character very sincerely and without any exaggeration. The only flaw this movie had was its a bit slow. It seems the director made a very conscious attempt to show the snowy landscape and mountains and keep the real drama for the last 30 minutes. But as I mentioned the cinematography was a highlight of this movie.
Alonso seems like a guy I would not want to hang out with under any circumstances ever
Alonso you should go check out a couple of reservations before you try describe them. All kinds of people live on them white
people, black people even Native Americans.
Cold Duck As someone who does come from a rez, this very rez in fact, your post does have some truth to it but so does criticizing a film for pulling the same bullshit trope that Hollywood has always pulled concerning indigenous peoples
Jesus, Alonso is poison. Where is the evidence the FBI agent is incompetent. SPOILERS Her job was just to confirm that it was a homicide so that an investigative team could be sent. She lacks local knowledge but makes good use of the resources available to her (e.g the Renner character), when things turn violent she shows bravery and skill, she demonstrates bravery and diplomacy when the company and local cops turn on each other and keeps on fighting after getting shot in the chest. Incompetent? don't think so. she is anything but weak. and the movie was great by the way.
I disagree with the guy 2000%!! Did we even watch the same movie? Elizabeth Olsen's character was strong, complex, and authoritative. She stood her ground and asserted her authority when ndcessary6. She bravely went after that druggie after getting pepper sprayed heavily in the face while the sheriff strangled behind. She stood up against a bunch of big older guys who were ready for a show down. Theses just a couple of examples.
Yes this movie had stellar cast, performances, cinematography and direction, but you know what it didn't have - a character that is Mexican, transsexual, genderfluid, vegan crossfiter! True example of misogyny and white wash 1/10. Btw this was sarcasm, the fact that I have to point it ount frightens me.
ncdub 9623 i get you
I just saw this movie last night. There is more then one reference to Jeremy Renner character being connected to the land in a way separate from the the Native American. There is a pivotal scene where he discusses this; so I don't know what this guy is talking about. Not a great movie review. The beginning scene is of the tracker's character violently shooting a wolf to protect innocent sheep. It sets up the entire movie. I am a quarter Cherokee and I appreciated this as a good movie with good characters and a lot of suspense.
And, this review is proof why I side with Christy a lot more in the reviews than Alonso.
Guys, where is the GOT ep 4 review? is there a link to where the live stream happened so that I could watch it now?...
Alonzo stop watching and reviewing movies. seriousl
Alonso, here's a thought suspension of disbelief. Stop whining. You are the reason people cant stand critics.
SJW ruins reviewing. That was a painful review.
Alonso is that dude in your creative writing class who when he can't find anything truly wrong with your short story, he looks for something to negatively critique and starts getting on you about how you fucked up a comma.
But isn't that a point of a character? To see an inexperienced person successes in an environment they don't know? That's why I like Olson's character more than Renners. Because 1 I felt like she had more to risk and 2 because she was inexperienced and the odds were stacked against her
Alex Setzer And that's the whole point. She has an arc.
It pisses me off wen they dont do tomato score.
I feel like we all experienced way more mansplaining in this review than in the actual movie.
Wind River was a first draft. Went to a Q&A with Sheridan.
The more and more I watch these movie reviews it's becoming clear, to me at least, that Christy eclipses the rest of the WTFlick crew. Matt is fine - probably a chill dude to have a beer with. Alonso less so - entertaining in small doses but not every single film has to be about gender politics. Ben is a total mixed bag: when I see him on the panel I shouldn't have to worry if he's even seen the movie or not, haven't seen it? Let someone who has seen it sit there.
Christy goes all out to review each movie for what they are and what the director/writer tried to accomplish. Any review without her in it on the channel is automatically less interesting to watch.
alonso seriously needs to stop overthinking things... i mean that whole jeremy renner's character possibly being native american in the beginning... ugh cringy. so what if it were true? do filmmakers have to apologise for casting caucasian actors in their movies now? being too sensitive can get you in the counterproductive territory, man.
Pointless review! No word about actual filmmaking, just discussing the plot! I'm glad, I didn't watch this before watching the movie. For me the best film of the year so far
Jeez you guys didn't need to spoil the fucking movie for the people that haven't seen it
I get what Alonso is sayin' but goddamn, is the finished piece good or not? lol
Alonso is so annoying TBH. His arguments are so invalid
This review is nothing but a joke so glad i didn't listen to them before i saw it really good moive
Alonso can't even articulate why he does not like this movie. You can tell Christie was frustrated by his comments. His argument was childish and pathetic at best. Reminds me of that 18-year old freshman year of college who is faking that he knows film. Really needs to grow up and develop as a critic.
The FBI character was a victim of underfunding, understaffed & out of place. She happened to be a woman. It could have been Topher Grace and been the same situation.
In five years Alonso will claim it as one of the best movies of 2017!
Alonso is SJWing this whole review up to a terrible extent.
i don't agree with alonso but i get frustrated with you comment i didn't see any S.J.W comments in his review it did come of like a white savoir film its a cliche and the fact that you brought that up i tend to get impatient with i dont feel you needed to go there
I saw it last night and not having seen the other two films that the screenwriter wrote I too wondered if the character of Corey was originally Native American. Having done some research on the writer/director I realized that the character was originally a "man with no name" type of character. The movie, plotting, and pacing is very much in the vein of a mystery novel and works well for that reason. This movie is not made from the perspective of people in the world, it is looking into the world. This is a man's story in a man's world. It's a fairly good one and I felt it worth my money.
Re Alonzo opinion of Elizabeth Olsen's character ... I didn't see the FBI as being portrayed as weaker female or bad agent as much as being a fish out of water. Whether male or female, any agent, originally from FLA and based in Vegas would have to get advice from Renner and Graham Greene's characters if they had been thrown into a case on an reservation (an unfamiliar culture) in the middle of nowhere in the harsh environment depicted. I thought it was great that she was actually willing to listen to their input. In fact there's a scene early on where she takes care of herself and a tense situation quite competently, ON HER OWN. And there were other instances that demonstrated her abilities.
And finally,...
Spoiler (sort of)
re: the scene Alonzo mentioned about her being in danger by the door... To rebut, Ben (Graham Greene) was just as unaware of that danger. It wasn't until he got the phone call from Cory (Renner) that he shouts the warning. So again it had nothing to do with her character being female or less skilled than her male counterparts.
It was the second best movie of the year, behind Wonder Woman. She wasn't in need of help because she is a female, it was because she's a rookie from Florida.
Too often Alonzo takes a couple things that should be minor nit picks and treats them like these unforivable flaws, to justify his being one of the few reviewers giving a critically well received film a really shitty score
Alonso's taste in films is usually a little suspect. Though granted, he could be right about this movie. We'll see
Anybody noticed that Christy's T-shirt "Bad seed" is a nod to Nick Cave and Warren Ellis who wrote the music for this film?
Scarlet Witch we have to stop meeting at times like this.
Scarlet Witch asked Hawkeye for help. Of course he's going to be telling her what to do and "leading". Seems like the point of their characters.
Ah Alonso Contrarian. Never fails
The majority of this review is this guy arguing that olsen was portrayed as a woman being helped by men, as a first time viewer of this channel i was just looking for well rounded plot analysis and not for whether the female lead was fempowered enough
Young Person in-charge absent experience or tool kit assigned to problem where Old Experienced Persons resent or question them. Except the Outsider Experienced Person helps them for some important reason, fully revealed later. It's a standard pallet and it makes good sense in today's culture to make Young Person a woman. Maybe some day it will play better the other way, but I doubt it for now. Sorry Alonso.
Outstanding movie one of the best I've seen in years. This beta male doesn't know shit, she's not weak her character is strong she's just not used to such and unforgiving outdoor environment. As stated in the movie it's a fight for survival out in the wilderness no one around for miles.
5? Naw, this movie is a 9 at best, nothing less than 8. It's based on true events and the text at the end is scary.
He gave Ghostbusters (2016) an 8 whilst also giving Arrival a 6.5 and Manchester by the sea a 6.2.
Alfonso has a point in how the writing of Olsen's character isn't great, but there are so many good things about this film that I feel like he didn't even touch on.
Alonso is at least correct in indirectly criticising the general miscasting of the lead roles. For a movie set in a reservation there should have been an experienced indigenous leading man, and the female FBI agent should have been an equal in age. This "model come Federal Agent" trope already became a cliché after Agent Scully became a mom. I'm a 27yo man but I want to see more 40+, no bullshit leading women please.
Or was this secretly a Hawkeye/Scarlet Witch undercover team-up spin-off?
Alonso goes full SJW
I agree, White men are gods.
knightsofrogue excuse my ignorance but can you explain what SJW means please? I hear it all the time but have no idea what that means. Thanks kindly.
SUN WARRIOR It stands for social justice warrior. Usually used as an insult for people who are in some way overly politically incorrect.
Awesome!!! Thank you for clarifying that for me!
Mainly used as a dog-whistle by the alt-right to smear those who favour social equality.
Alonso is the epitome of PC Projection, just because something doesn't reflect what you would say or do doesn't mean it's bad.
Love it when it's back to basics with Christy & Alonso. Matt and Ben shoukdn't even be listed as anything other than guest contributors. Regarding the film itself, I'm looking forward to it even as my inner geek screams, "Scarlett Witch teams up with Hawkeye to save the day!" :p Sicario & Hell or High Water were indeed both great, highest recommendation to those who haven't seen one or the other.
Alonso, you really need to think before you speak. She was out of her element...not because she was a woman, but because the government gives so little of a shit about Native Americans that they sent a very young and inexperienced agent to check out this case, rather than a seasoned, experienced agent that would do a great job. THAT is the giant point that you completely missed.
The point of the movie was that the male lead knew his surroundings, knew the people he had to work with, while the FBI agent didn't. It had nothing to do with the agent being a woman, it had to do with her not knowing the area the crime took place in and the people who live there. I think Alonso missed the point of the movie. While I do agree women characters are often badly written, that wasn't the case here.
D Mc it’s not that they don’t agree. It’s that they are being selfish with the review. Review the movie for what it is portraying and how well it portrays what it’s trying to get across or doesn’t. Was the script well written. Did the actors do a great job bringing the pages to life? The cinematography, was it executed well? How was the score? Was the story riveting or engaging? This world is full of 100’s of differentiating types of people and movies can indulge to utilize all facets. Naive, brave, Smart, witty, dumb, sexy, ugly, giants, athletic, youth, elderly, human, in humane, scientific, explorers, inventors, and so so much more. When Alonso gives a review like the one he did here, it’s an embarrassment to WTF. It angers me because he doesn’t care about his position and his responsibility as a film pundit. Like the ppl watching this review don’t matter or deserve to spend money on good theater experiences. This movie was excellent and he sh!t all over it like he does himself (💩)
This fay guy supposed to be a film expert must have seen another movie, because he didn't understand the characters, the dynamics between them, the plot and the movie itself.
Renner's character was working for Elizabeth's character, he was there to help her because she asked him to. Not once did he step over the agent's work, he respected her and her position as a federal agent throughout the whole film. The times he found something he told her immediately and even asked for permission before doing some things, because she was leading the investigation. Olsen's character couldn't have gotten a worst case, the body was found in the middle of nowhere with the snow and carnivores destroying or erasing tracks and evidence, there was nothing near the crime scene, local people not willing to talk to her (she's a woman, white and a federal agent), she had no professional team and no backup. Meanwhile Renner's character was an experienced local hunter, which means he knew the place better than anyone, his work demanded him to be on the field regularly, surrounded by the wilderness and tracking predators. Plus, he knew the inhabitants and had a good relationship with them. He started with the advantage of having the information, knowledge and tools necessary for solving this specific, that didn't make of him a more capable crime-solving person.
"The character was weak and Elizabeth Olsen performance was bad"... She was sent to slaughter but she made it, she solved the crime, stopped a freaking gun fight and stayed alive despite being shot from a few centimetres away. She couldn't have been more of a strong and bad ass person. Elizabeth Olsen's acting was top notch, great and pretty realistic impersonation of a FBI agent
I think he just can't stand watching a bad ass FBI agent that happens to be a woman. He's intimidated by strong women like Jane and Elizabeth Olsen, that's what it is.
Oh. My. Word. Is there any movie on the planet this guy likes?
Emily Blunt's character in Sicario was a competent FBI officer, except she joined a team of, if I recall correctly, SEAL members. So yeah, she's not gonna be as ace as them, add into the fact that they lied to her about why she was there, essentially they couldn't operate on US soil as it was a CIA operation without FBI cooperation, and kept her in the dark the whole way through.
Conversely Elizabeth's character is unfamiliar with the area. Wind River is a desolate borderline inhospitable place and thus was a bit of a fish out of water. But she had her drive, she wanted to solve this case and went through quite a lot to do it. The only reasons why Renner's character is more "Badass" is because of his experience in the reservation and during the gunfight, was absent from the initial attack. If he had been with them he would have been killed too. But he was tracking the footprints which brought him back around in time to witness the gunfight and use his ghillie suit and rifle to kill the bad guys before they finished off Olsen.
Take your twisted ideology out of critical thinking please. You're marking down two outstanding movies because a woman isn't necessarily as kick ass as a man despite both movies having very good, reasonable explainations for it.
So when is Alonso not allowed back?
So this is basically Thunderheart Part 2?
Marco Dellorusso At least they aren't trying to pass Hawkeye off as a native like they did with Kilmer's character...small victories.
not at all.
she wasnt incompetent at all, its just the place wind river in wyoming! shes never been there and doesnt know the area, but she did a good job. and obviously renner is phenomenal in this movie. good movie 8,9 from me.
You tend to reveal too much information. The audience is supposed to find out about Renner's daughter later during the film. I feel like you shouldn't have said that in the description. Anyway the atmosphere is amazing and you didn't really talk about that. Also there's way more to this film than Olsen being 'in over her head' , which is all Alonso had to say. Which, by the way, isn't actually true, cause the fact that she didn't have the right clothes, or that she stood at the wrong place at the wrong time, doesn't mean anything. It only means that the fbi sent only one, young and inexperienced person, which i guess was kinda helping the point that the film was trying to make: That the people who live in the reservation are not given the right attention (AND you didn't even mention that).
I'm conflicted, I want to like this video for Christy but I want to dislike it for Alonso. Just saw this movie, and it was awesome! There were some really tense moments that reminded me of Sicario. Loved it.
I usually agree with Alonso, but this time I will have to disagree, this was a great movie, couldn't find a flaw in it.
I totally disagree with Alonso about Eliz. Olsen's character. She was strong in moments where it was needed: returning fire in the trailer when the druggie shot at her; talking all the guns back into their holsters at the Mexican Standoff. She had the strength of character to know to ask Renner for help since he seemed to be wise and resourceful. Why should she know how to negotiate her way around an Indian Res or around a wilderness of trees and snow? You can't train for everything. There wasn't one time when I thought she was weak or unqualified. This movie was BETTER than Sicario. But not by much. By the way the heroin in that movie wasn't incompetent. There's a difference between being left out of the loop and trying to learn and just being stupid or not curious. Alonso doesn't seem to know the difference.
Alanso, thank you! Happy to hear someone else saying this
Alonso, you have your opinion but I feel this movie is in my top 3 of 2017. I've watched it 5 times since it was released on digital and everytime I see it, I get that feeling what I felt the first time experiencing this masterpiece. Curious to see what your top 3 movies are of 2017 Alonso.
Disagree that the female FBI agent presented as inferior. Yes out of her element but strong in asking for help and at that pivotal point where all Hell breaks loose it’s this woman who steps into the center and takes charge “I am the only one with jurisdiction..!” Not being directed by any means...
I agree with Alonso in that Elizabeth Olsen's FBI character was pretty damn stupid. All she could do is shoot a gun. BUT I didn't think this movie was a 5, but definitely not a 10 either. I'd give it a 7.25 lol
I'm not quite with you on the man-who-knows-everything, woman-who-knows-nothing situation, because while you're right I think Elizabeth Olsen was chosen as tiny and delicate-looking because the FBI Agent from "civilisation" was supposed to be out of their depth and being tiny, blonde and female made her more obviously out of her depth.
I'm _almost_ with you on that point, though, because Cory was the biggest Marty Stu in cinema history since the invention of the zoetrope.
Excellent dual screen editing.
The director/writer said this and Sicario are part of a trilogy thematically.
Wow! It is crazy that Alonso is bothered by a girl not being as good as a guy. I can't ever imagine actually having something like that bother me... SMH. Then saying Jeremy Renner's character is a white hero? Seriously he doesn't like it because he is that PC. He is a typical liberal who can't stand someone else thinking different. It is sad we live in a world where a guy doesn't like a movie because a female rookie agent is weak and not better or equal to the men. But if the tables were turned and a man was the rookie and was weak and the girl was always telling him what to do I promise you Alonso would say nothing.
After reading the synopsis for Wind River, this is the type of story which makes one think about the film's characters going into shops and doing normal things afterwards, which is a bad thing. Wind River's story is the same as many other stories, which is what makes this type of reaction a negative bias against the film; a story shouldn't make you think about the characters in the story using shopping malls and reading books afterwards
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This guy, you cant critic a movie on what you want it to be, the movie made choices, and executed them brilliantly, the things he points out, well he just wanted to see a different movie.
I went opposite. My only 5 star of 2017.
Brendan Kraus 17 Same. My only 10/10 of the year so far. No film that I can remember made my stomach churn like Wind River did. lol
Lol that sicario comparision was dumb Alonso... Emily Blunt is the only character that's trying to do the right thing in sicario. That's part of the beauty of the movie. You have Emily that wants to fight evil by doing what's politically right and on the other hand you have federal agents and CIA agents that do some seriously illegal shit to take care of the problem. Emily Blunt is not weak at all. She's definitely a strong woman trapped in a world where the line between good and evil is blurred and she's just trying to survive in this fucking mess!!
Alfonso reviewing the movie almost entirely through a political lense. Spare me.
I usually find myself agreeing most with Alonso out of all 4 critics, but here he just seemed like a troll.
I really dont feel like Alonso understood the brutal unforgiving terrain this film takes place in. This isnt some sun soaked beach. Its a place where you'll run out into the snow at night, and your lungs might rupture. Mountain lions prey on peoples likelyhood, even the coyotes have their fill. Its a place where the observant and the mindfull survive, and those who go trudging off into the hills thinking they have it all down, tend to not come back. Elizabeths charector is precisely the person who wouldnt make it out of the reservation alive had she been left to her accord from the start. And through her willingness to adapt , and her shear willpower she is one of the few tasked to solve the murder who survives. Alonso doesnt seem to see that the movie shows her transformation into someone who understands the land more, who understands that she has to be ready for anything and most of all realizes that she needs help. This pisses me off when liberal minded people forget the fact people can be naive and to hastey for their own good, and that includeds woman. But the second a woman is bossed around a little its sexism. No, its people trying to save her life, had the people in the writting room really wanted to push some sort of sexism, they would have killed off Elizabeths charector. But sure enough she is one of the only survivors. Because in the end she earned that right. Nothing is more fair than that.
I grew up on a reserve and Jeremy Renner's character seemed very real, there are a lot of white people who work for those government orgs and have close relationships with people on the Rez. Honestly for me it's more believable that a white guy would be in that role
This dude is getting too old for his job. He is still stuck in the age of every female character in a movie having to be a perfect superhuman, who is way better at everything than the men in the movie. Now there are like 2 movies showing a female protagonist to just be a human with flaws and allowing them to make mistakes and that is already too much for him. This guy is such a pathetic one trick pony, stuck in always the same patterns. You always know exactly what he will say on every given subject. I know that consistency is kind of what being a critic is about, but he takes it too far. He is a living cliche and takes his prediuctability to an inhuman automaton level. If he is like that in his private life too, hanging out with him must be really creepy, like hanging out with a early adopters robot, programmed by some anti gay bigot who isn't very good at programming robots.
TrangleC Wait, when was this so-called age of superhuman women in film? Cause I must have missed it.
Yes, agree, I also became annoyed early on (like in the first 10 minutes) that Renner's character was not Native American, clearly seemed like he should have been and seemed like he was even written to be. Figured it likely came down to a marketing decision by the studio, needing a "star" in the role to gain traction in the market. Also the movie is really short (hour forty) and could really have used 5 or 6 more character building and transitional scenes to draw things out a bit and reduce some of the exposition. That stuff notwithstanding, I enjoyed it, and I really like Taylor Sheridan's work in general. I hope the studio(s) keep green lighting his projects. I'm super curious to see Sicario 2 and to see where else his career goes.
The pace of the movie was way too slow.
The part where she gets shot through the door is pretty hard to swallow. There is a difference between being "in over your head" and incompetent. And who doesn't bring a winter coat to Wyoming in the middle of winter?
I also agree not the best choice of actress.
Is Alonso ever happy with a movie?
I didn't think the FBI woman being slightly naive and innocent was offensive. Kind of a silly complaint by Alonso. I saw it as a writing choice to emphasize the foil between her Cole's characters and ways of life, him being rugged and self-reliant. And her being sent there so unprepared and by herself illustrating how little the FBI cares about the Indian reservations.
kylestyyle987 plus the movie literally makes a point of saying the government doesn't really care who they send . For all we know that could have literally been her first homicide case. But hey I guess Alonso was too busy checking his buzz feed to watch the movie.
It's unfortunate that he missed that point. It's not that Sheridan was trying to make a weak character or show sexism. He was trying to illustrate how LITTLE the government cares about Native Americans and they "expected" a rookie FBI agent from Florida to solve the case on her own without proper clothing. Jane Banner was actually presented as a strong character who adapted to her environment. Her "flaws" was a direct result of being thrown into a bad situation.
Greg Feasel Excellent point!
holy smokes, I got about half way through the review, and got so annoyed with the big dude that it made it a chore for the last half.
Great movie though. Very dark and gritty, very accurate representation of what we see on the Rez