Who Killed the Stonehenge People?

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  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  4 ปีที่แล้ว +100

    Correction:
    - Around 9 mins in I said the Beaker folk didn't make any stone circles anywhere. That isn't so - there are stone circles and even passage tombs dating to the beaker period.

    • @destructionindustries1987
      @destructionindustries1987 ปีที่แล้ว

      9:08 needs fixing

    • @paulus.tarsensus
      @paulus.tarsensus 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The difference between honest people who value Truth and many other TH-camrs and nearly the entire Mainstream Media. Truthful people like you and Dr. Reich easily admit when the data corrects them and they embrace it. The Mainstream Media will only double down on their previous mistakes ( or lies ) and tell more or just ignore them. Your channel has gotten better and better over the years as your production values have increased and the availability of genetic evidence and artefacts has multiplied. Thank you.

  • @stekarknugen9258
    @stekarknugen9258 5 ปีที่แล้ว +430

    How awkward would that be.
    Young woman: You must go out in the world and prove you are a real man before I will marry you
    Young warriot: Oh ok...
    8 months later
    Young woman: Oh, look at all the spoils of war you have returned with, you are truly a man now, I would love to take you as husband
    Young warrior: Yeah so uh... I sort of found a much hotter girl in a raid and I'm marrying her instead.... sorry about that

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +196

      patrolled

    • @snowfrosty1
      @snowfrosty1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      ⵣMazighⵣ ⵣZenatiⵣ
      *Neolithic European girls
      Yamnya girls were subservient to their patriarchal male counterparts.

    • @MickeyMouse-el5bk
      @MickeyMouse-el5bk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@snowfrosty1 meanwhile they were dirrrrty XD

    • @MickeyMouse-el5bk
      @MickeyMouse-el5bk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Typing: " as long as" they were

    • @somaraja4858
      @somaraja4858 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Stekar Knugen I mean, our young warrior could just Mary both, or else keep one as a concubine…

  • @Yog-Sothothery
    @Yog-Sothothery 5 ปีที่แล้ว +318

    These types of videos regarding primordial history are very intriguing and greatly appreciated.

    • @mouthpiece200
      @mouthpiece200 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No actually they're really boring. Can't wait to be bored by more though.

    • @cascadiapatriot7831
      @cascadiapatriot7831 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@mouthpiece200 No actually they're really interesting. Over 1, 200 likes in just over 24 hours and only 22 dislikes by anti-Whites proves that. If they're so boring to you then move along or how about you just keep your dimwitted comments to yourself.

    • @martinrow1213
      @martinrow1213 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks.

    • @3rdeye671
      @3rdeye671 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cascadiapatriot7831 what does white or anti-whites have to do with it? By my understanding the early Neolithic people were brown skinned with blue eyes, not white skinned at all.

    • @raduraducu2668
      @raduraducu2668 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      After they said that: the first people who set foot
      In Europe they were black and after tens of thousands of years of surviving in Europe of the Ice Age, they still remained black because they took all their vitamin D, the meat they ate (in 2017 they said that light skin, far from being an adaptation to the cold, rejects heat), I knew that one day they would tell us that white Caucasians came to Europe as a horde of savages who exterminated the population native of the continent, it was just a mater of time.What better way to justify the fact that Europeans are now slowly but surely being replaced by African emigrants (the former in demographic decline and the others in a real demographic explosion), than to say that in fact the native population of white Europe are black, they are the real invaders?
      If you don't believe me, in 2021, after geneticists said that today's Europeans have nothing to do with the inhabitants of the continent of 5000 years ago, they said that 20000 years ago some of those black hunter-gatherers returned to Africa, current emigrants are their descendants.

  • @Anson120
    @Anson120 4 ปีที่แล้ว +239

    We are gonna be known as the tupperware people in the far future.

    • @qetoun
      @qetoun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      even worse...the Aluminum can people.

    • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
      @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      One day - Future people's will place our vessels in a museum. Hot debate will surround the label "Made in China." Scholars will argue we stamped it on everything because it was a protective prayer for our most sacred goods.

    • @qetoun
      @qetoun 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking they will all agree that China was a purely mythical place.

    • @judgeholden849
      @judgeholden849 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      Tupperware culture of the lower petrol-age

    • @kandiceguzman
      @kandiceguzman 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @chagels5431
    @chagels5431 5 ปีที่แล้ว +692

    It seems that major migrations are always followed by replacement; not co-existence. An inconvenient observation in contemporary western society, surely...

    • @thedarkmaster4747
      @thedarkmaster4747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Grundy Malone I wouldn't exactly call that "co-existence".

    • @coltrane1966
      @coltrane1966 5 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      As grey squirrels replaced the red squirrels.

    • @krixxset2214
      @krixxset2214 5 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      If you look at the charts of what comprises the British Genome you see a decent amount of EEF in there... They mixed with these people rather than outright replacing them.

    • @ian_b
      @ian_b 5 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      It rarely goes well for the natives.

    • @jay5775
      @jay5775 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      @Kelley
      If you look at the chart in this study, on page 17 www.ed.ac.uk/files/atoms/files/archaeology_et_al_-_an_indo-european_study.pdf, it shows a modern and ancient breakdown of genetic profiles of Europeans. As you can see virtually all modern Euros show some degree of mixing between the three major genetic groups that makeup European people, WHG, EEF, and PIE (Yamnaya). All Euros carry these genes the actual breakdown depends on where in Europe the individual originated. Northern Euros tend to be heavy on PIE, a little more than average on WHG, and modest on EEF. Whereas Southern Euros tend to be heavier on EEF. But all Europeans, whether an olive skinned Italian or a lily white Swede still contain all three to some degree. At least thats my take on the studies. To me it just shows how related we all are when it comes down to it. It even has the profile for the 5500 year old Utzi or Iceman. As you can see he is predominately EEF, which is hardly surprising. However, even he couldn't fully escape the "Yamnaya curse" as he has a small amount as well as a trace of WHG.

  • @gillesderais2457
    @gillesderais2457 5 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    You are truly a guardian of the indo European folk and culture !

  • @alexanderwebb680
    @alexanderwebb680 5 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    Unrivaled integrity.
    Such a prize of our folk.
    Descendants will remember, Thomas Rowsell will be known.

  • @wittsend541
    @wittsend541 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Nice.
    I’ve studied pre Roman Britain for about 15 years now and you raised a fair few points I had never even considered. Great stuff, very clear.

  • @augustoluis6888
    @augustoluis6888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    This video was absolutely mesmerizing. Loved every second of it. No, seriously, this is A+ content, I am actually shocked how can pre-history be so mysterious and distant and we still have ways of finding out what happened to certain degrees of certainty. Science furthering science, what a time to be alive. I wish you all the best from Brazil.

  • @Abe-my9wb
    @Abe-my9wb 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Visiting England for the first time this year and Stonehenge will be one of our stops. Thanks for the history lesson!

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I should advise you that of all the many amazing megalithic structures in Britain, Stonehenge is the only one you have to pay for and the only one you can’t touch

  • @me1747
    @me1747 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Very informative and current. No one else is doing this. Thank you!

    • @justinmcmanus2111
      @justinmcmanus2111 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It's a big task to tackle. Currently on youtube he is the only one perhaps being so dedicated. Does a great job. Even enlightened me on a few things.

  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  3 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    PLEASE DONATE TO SAVE STONEHENGE AND NEARBY BARROWS FROM DEVELOPMENT www.crowdjustice.com/case/save-stonehenge-world-heritage-site/

    • @nikashford931
      @nikashford931 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have now watched quite a few of your 'vids' and I have to say I am very impressed. I know what most would think~ "so what?". well, although I have NO formal educational qualifications, I do have a certain pride in my self taught knowledge of ancient history, with the 'iron age' and mid-late bronze age being among my favourite periods. I am especially impressed with your piecing together of 'Pagan' practices as the good old f-in Christians went out of their way to irradicate that knowledge, not forgetting though, the Romans destruction of the Celtic, Druidic religion and society. I write this though to say that I have a theory about st-henge, and I also believe that those good old (Christian) antiquarians who worked on the site way back when DELIBERATLY jumbled and vandalized the bones found there that were then thrown together in that little hole, with the plaque. that's all I'll say at the mo. hail Woden!

    • @wicketandfriendsparody8068
      @wicketandfriendsparody8068 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Now it’s been replaced by yet another culture of people smoking weed there, hence the name Stoner Henge :/

    • @pasquinomarforio
      @pasquinomarforio 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 'mannerbund' is equivalent to the Bronze Age Warfare | The Koryos - the ancient warband that changed the world. Koryos is the Proto-European name. The process of expansion found in the Corded Ware Culture, the Yamnaya culture, and the Battle Axe culture. We are here because of the war band.

  • @spiritusinfinitus
    @spiritusinfinitus 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Best yet! Whenever I have visited Stonehenge I've always been more fascinated by the barrows than the stones themselves.

  • @JJ_Acton
    @JJ_Acton 5 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Your videos just get better and better. Excellent work Tom

    • @someguy4592
      @someguy4592 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Even without ever reading it anywhere I just knew his name had to be Tom

  • @thewessexbretwalda5865
    @thewessexbretwalda5865 5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

    I take the children to stone henge almost monthly and still haven’t managed to see the vast area in its fullness, we live just over the county line in Somerset, but Wiltshire is beautiful I must admit, so much ancient history in quite a small space

    • @joshpullman1690
      @joshpullman1690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I live the other side, try to get up to Avebury and Stonehenge as often as I can, I still have only explored about 10% of that landscape

    • @HappySerafim
      @HappySerafim 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      i thought i recognised you, i follow your instagram, not surprising we are both here

    • @sarnajohar2675
      @sarnajohar2675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Who did destroy स्तोनेहेङे?

    • @sarnajohar2675
      @sarnajohar2675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HappySerafim who did destroy stonehenge?

    • @sarnajohar2675
      @sarnajohar2675 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@joshpullman1690 who did destroy stonehenge?

  • @sortsindvantro
    @sortsindvantro 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This video had me almost spellbound throughout. Thank you!

  • @Mrcool12684
    @Mrcool12684 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fascinating brother! Love this stuff.

  • @deanlowe3949
    @deanlowe3949 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Fast approaching 50k subs.
    Awesome to have your knowledge on this subject shared.
    This will be the video that reaches the 50k!

  • @demaskatorr
    @demaskatorr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    The new study just have been published in the journal Antiquity. Archaeologists and geologists from the UK studied the smaller rocks used to build Stonehenge and pegged them to two quarries in the Preseli Hills of Wales. Upon visiting the sites, they discovered traces of tools, stone wedges, and digging activity. The evidence dates back to 3000 BCE, the same time when construction on Stonehenge started.
    The results also dispel previously held beliefs concerning the rocks' origins. Though it's widely accepted that the stones came from the Preseli Hills, this study is the first to trace them to two specific quarries on the north side of the hills-Carn Goedog and Craig Rhos-y-felin. It was thought for nearly a century that the rocks were excavated from the opposite side.
    The research team says their findings suggest that materials used to make Stonehenge were moved by purposeful human activity rather than freak natural forces. But the study still leaves some questions unanswered, such as how the ancient peoples were able to transport the rocks 150 miles after digging them up. The fact that the rocks came from the north side of the Preseli Hills suggests they were dragged over land rather than transported by river-though the exact methods used remain a mystery .

    • @MrChickennugget360
      @MrChickennugget360 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this is not really new information. i learned this 25 years ago

  • @catalystdrive
    @catalystdrive 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Can't wait for your arrival in Poland and to have your input on the recent discoveries in Spain.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Catalyst Drive i made a patron video about iberian genetics already

  • @rockber
    @rockber 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Certainly, it would be an absolute joke of Fate that the greatest construction of Neolithic society, the apex of its civilization, was the direct cause of its destruction.
    Applied Mythology.

  • @joshpullman1690
    @joshpullman1690 5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    I love the video, you impart a high volume of information quickly, it's a relief to find a channel like yours, unpatronising and worth rewinding :)
    I'd bet on a plague having wiped out the Stonehenge builders, I remember reading about the presence of the host bacteria for plague in a couple of remains. One of the most recent plague models for the y. pestis agent shows that the plague spread before the migrations began, suggesting it may have spread from Trypillia across defined trade routes, not from the corded ware and Yamnaya people's. In that case the PIE people didn't invade Europe but flooded into an almost empty continent. They would have assimilated into local cultures had not the new settlers outnumbered the survivors. This of course is mostly fantasy, there is still too little data to say for sure.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      We know for sure Yamnaya carried plague

    • @longboz
      @longboz 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Survivethejive i am afraid the genetics do not support your plague theory. this is what the genetics show.
      a few years after the arrival of the yamnaya the y chromosomes from the neolithic males disappeared . neolithic men sired no more children.
      this could support your plague theory. BUT, the FEMALE genetics from the neolithic people continued unabated into the future. The only explanation for your plague theory is that the plague wiped out the male neolithic but didn't have any effect on the females neolithic .
      VERY VERY unlikely.
      I wouldn't trust a yamnaya male as far as i could throw him.

  • @davidriggs538
    @davidriggs538 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Your perspective sounds very plausible. Stonehenge attracts and fascinates people in modern times. Makes sense that once word started to spread outside of Britain, it could have been the beacon that drew the attention of the invading peoples and young warriors looking for wealth, women, and status.

  • @woody500z
    @woody500z 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very interesting, will have to watch it again at a later date to absorb all the information provided. Great video Tom!

  • @donworland
    @donworland 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    Absolutely fascinating, you filled in details of much that I've tried to explain why the British could establish colonies that became America and Canada. I sent this onto "HBDChick" the woman that writes about the changes to European breeding patterns especially the effects of "manorialism" of the French. Great video, just brilliant.

    • @jessikamoore5033
      @jessikamoore5033 ปีที่แล้ว

      Colonies are really nothing to be too proud of.

    • @donworland
      @donworland ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@jessikamoore5033 Unless they are, in New England was established a standard normal across the world, female literacy being "normal". That is Puritan and unique. Without Greeks taking over Egypt, the ancient artwork would have never been preserved, eventually they became the Kopts and ruled Egypt because so few ethnic Egyptians still had substantial numbers, hence Cleopatra.

  • @bredmond812
    @bredmond812 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is one of your better videos. Heavier on content and lighter on style. Thank you very much.

  • @thethreeedgedsword7253
    @thethreeedgedsword7253 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    A new history channel to binge on...brilliant:)

  • @liquidoxygen819
    @liquidoxygen819 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Really good video Tom, deeply enjoyed it!

  • @charlesallen
    @charlesallen 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    New favorite channel.

  • @gommechops
    @gommechops 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fascinating as ever. Thanks for putting these together.

  • @cincoy3679
    @cincoy3679 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love you stuff. I watch stuff on TV. And l could tell they don’t know what they are talking about. Your stuff teaches real history thank you

  • @deploreable7313
    @deploreable7313 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    A good video though there are still uncertainties. Recently when I had my DNA done, I was told I have the uncommon mutation known as "Ancient British" gene which translates to the Indigenous people in Britain before the Beaker People arrived and who built Stonehenge. The Haplogroup is M-284 and the mutation I have is known as I-L126, which dates to about 5,000 BC, 2,000 years before the Beaker people arrived. But even though my mutation is called "uncommon" it is not extremely rare. The Ancient British gene is found today sprinkled around all of Britain, and particularly in Scotland or in my case the remotest mountain area of Wales.. So, even though 90 percent of the ancient British were replaced in theory, their DNA is still around. One of the theories is that the ancient British cremated their dead, and thus there are far fewer burials. Still, because the gene is fairly uncommon and generally found in remote parts of Britain, the theory still seems sound. Far more beaker inheritance (The R1b? gene) is around today.

    • @laurajaneluvsbeauty9596
      @laurajaneluvsbeauty9596 ปีที่แล้ว

      The ancient British were never dark skinned like the “intellectuals” love to claim today.

  • @lowersaxon
    @lowersaxon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    At the age of 12 I (🇩🇪) visited England ( with my parents of course) for the first time. My mothers sister had married an English army officer, he was a fine gentleman, I liked him very much. We saw everything , I mean literally all points of interest in London and southern England including of course Stonehenge. Boy that was impressing. My first thought was how they could have managed this and why some thousand + years later the Celtic and Germanic tribes were still so much behind the Romans. A miracle, an enigma if you asked me. So I was excited to hear what you would present in this video.

  • @catfury360
    @catfury360 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This video is so interesting ! Thanks for explaining the recent DNA analysis. I have a DNA match with the Archer's' Cmpanion !

  • @ProtoIndoEuropean88
    @ProtoIndoEuropean88 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One must download and keep all your vids in case entities such as the ADL decides to have your videos erased!

  • @Me2Lancer
    @Me2Lancer ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks. You've made some compelling points.

  • @yggdrasil4057
    @yggdrasil4057 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are doing a wonderful job! I wish more people were into this

  • @sausagesoda4090
    @sausagesoda4090 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well explained, def opens the subject up👍🏻

  • @albertito77
    @albertito77 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing quality videos STJ ❤

  • @EaldriceTheod
    @EaldriceTheod 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good research, very informative, and solidly presented. These videos are always a pleasure to watch (and rewatch). - Þórbeorht

  • @anulfadventures
    @anulfadventures 5 ปีที่แล้ว +122

    Sounds like the replacement of native Britons of our present time period. Why would the invader adopt any of the culture that is on its way out? So it is today.

    • @cameronrhanna
      @cameronrhanna 5 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      It's different in that the Indo-Europeans actually earned their place through military superiority and subsequent self-sufficiency. Modern invaders are invited and then supported. It's one thing to have the better man win; it's quite another to throw the fight.

    • @deepsouthredneck1
      @deepsouthredneck1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Not exactly the same context. The invaders were invited in by a powerful elite who have a great deal of cultural influence. Sharia law isn't the future of Britain, hoejabis in yoga pants with polyamorous relationships are.

    • @syedhasanahmed3514
      @syedhasanahmed3514 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@deepsouthredneck1 Doubt, this kind of thing is mostly on the periphery of the muslim community in the UK. The children and grandchildren of first generation muslim immigrants tend to be more, not less devout on average.

    • @deepsouthredneck1
      @deepsouthredneck1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      ​@@syedhasanahmed3514 Neoliberalism corrodes all. Muslims are allowed to be traditional to some extent because you have to get the fish to bite before you set the hook and they're a useful cudgel against the natives, incrementalism is their modus operandi. Not to mention that they're almost entirely motivated by materialism. All Muslims with any degree of power or influence are on board with the POZ, and those who are too stupid to realize this and deviate from what is expected are destroyed.

    • @MichaelRCarlson
      @MichaelRCarlson 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well, according to this video, and many other sources of course, the definition of "Native Briton: has changed many times over history. Less than 10% of the Neolithic natives survived invasion, so most of Brion is already populated with decedents of invaders. So really, what is happening now, is a variation of a long held tradition in Briton.
      In all seriousness though, White Euro's, whether in Europe or the US, are a declining population. The world is changing and so will it's power structures.

  • @sarahgilbert8036
    @sarahgilbert8036 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I visited in 1975, we could walk up to the stones back then, no fence or tickets. Sadly, I was still too young to truly understand what I was looking out.

  • @rebeccaodessa585
    @rebeccaodessa585 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    fabulous video, thank you.

  • @thefighter887
    @thefighter887 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the most informative thing i have ever encountered , Such a history, i never even knew about those carvings... interesting stuff, very meaningful too, that is to the people who carved them.

  • @ThunderMaiden
    @ThunderMaiden 5 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Across the waters you say, how about Doggerland, the landmass now underneath the ocean- now Doggerbank? Buried when the tsunami after Storegga slide hit.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      doggerland hadn't existed for thousands of years nor had the hunter gatherers who lived there

    • @ThunderMaiden
      @ThunderMaiden 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Survivethejive did you not say 5000 years ago?

    • @GuroJeromeTeague
      @GuroJeromeTeague 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Dogger land began to slowly sink around 10,000 BC. Many of the individuals there likely began migrating out as the waterline pressed inland. By the time of the Storegga slide/ tsunami, Doggerland was then just an island called Doggerbank. Storegga wiped it out instantly with an 80 foot tall tsunami. The date for this is approximately 6100 BC. The Yamnaya/Beaker Invasion began some 2000 years after Doggerbank was long submerged. One interesting thing here is that, to my knowledge, the Neolithic mega builders just seemed to have appeared over night with not much transitionary sites showing the development of the technology and practice. It is very similar to Gobekli Tepe. Perhaps Jive can provide something on that. So it is possible that the people's of Doggerland could have influenced the Neolithic people's of Britain and continental Europe. But is also possible for the Anatolians who built Gobekli Tepe to have carried with them the practice of stone circle construction. Unfortunately it is probably something we can never know because of 400 foot sea level rise occurring from 12500-10000 BC, the devastating Tsunami, and limits of underwater archaeology. However it is amazing to see the diversity of megafauna and tool assemblages that the trollers pull up. That place was seemingly a paradise for Hunter Gatherers.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@GuroJeromeTeague new study shows megalith building begins in Britanny just as farming arrives with the Neolithic peoples. then the trend spreads out from there

    • @GuroJeromeTeague
      @GuroJeromeTeague 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@Survivethejive Thanks Jive. I have a BA in History and Anthropology (focus on Human Bioarchaeology) I have been out of school since 2011 and do not work in either field as you can tell by most of my youtube content. The last 10 years of archaeological discovery and the acceptance of what were called fringe theories in my program have got my head spinning. It is so much to keep up with. LOL. I just saw the other day that the Solutrean hypothesis is being accepted now as an additional models of migration to the New World. European Hunter Gatherers arrived and settled in sections of the US some 10,000 years before the Asiatic ancestors of the modern Native American groups.
      Thanks for all the work you do!

  • @Slap7481
    @Slap7481 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Absolutely great video

  • @peterbrunsden380
    @peterbrunsden380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Excellent piece of work, very thought provoking and well argued.

  • @JBroughton2
    @JBroughton2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Great video. Have you read on Eurogenes of the recent genetic discoveries made about Steppe Maykop?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeh

    • @JBroughton2
      @JBroughton2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It seems to be quite the nail in the coffin for those claiming that R1b-M269 and PIE came from south of the Caucasus Mountains. There is a division between Maykop and Steppe Maykop, with the latter being R1a/R1b and Q1a. Steppe Maykop also has excessive ANE, related in some form to Neolithic Western Siberian Hunter Gatherers (WSHG) and Native Americans. The former Maykop is mostly Y-DNA L, with some T and a sprinkling of G and J.

    • @TheM41a
      @TheM41a 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Simon Stevin it was made quite clear in the Wang preprint last year no geneflow from Maykop into the eneolithic steppe piedmont ever occurred. Maykop simply had too much Anatolian and Levant neolithic admixture which wasn’t seen in the steppe. It was never in any doubt it had nothing at all to do with PIE, yet they still continue with this ridiculous ‘tracer dye’ theory of CHG (or Iran_N?) being a vector for PIE. Yamnaya was a fairly homogeneous population with no signs of recent admixture, it’s impossible PIE came from Armenia/NW Iran.

  • @JohnJohn-ls2uz
    @JohnJohn-ls2uz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting topic, it’s really fascinating that long after these people have passed we know so much about they’re ways of life

  • @RenaissanceHorizon
    @RenaissanceHorizon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Amazing video. I had never heard the term Männerbund before. I've also seen a lot of stuff about Stonehenge and never knew that stones were re-arranged. I knew the Romans knocked stones over to vandalize it.

    • @carolynabbott888
      @carolynabbott888 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Renaissance Horizon it was also renovated in the 1920s and late 50's. I think there are photos of what they looked like prior to this on line.

  • @A_Koenig
    @A_Koenig 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Very informative video! Great to see that you enjoyed Kershaw's book.

  • @dr.goutamguha9457
    @dr.goutamguha9457 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting and historical much appreciated!

  • @richardscott4821
    @richardscott4821 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video and I agree with the points raised. I lived near Stonehenge and Avebury for many years and always thought it was a place of power, politics, wealth, as well as to do with water and of course astronomical alignments.
    The Salisbury plains act as a barrier between both sites and today is used as a military firing range. So its feasible that the area also centred on war and battles. So it is interesting about the Beaker people coming in at the end of megalithic building.
    Great work and a refreshing change from archeologists that think that Stonehenge was populated by dreadlocked hippy types that had festivals thousands of years ago!

  • @azraelking8916
    @azraelking8916 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video very well articulated.

  • @DieByMyHand1
    @DieByMyHand1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Really enjoyed this, great theory and I hope more archaeology happens to prove it out

  • @joannechisholm4501
    @joannechisholm4501 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you for a great video you are spot about the beaker people being our ancestors great work.

    • @joannechisholm4501
      @joannechisholm4501 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5413607/Neolithic-farmers-wiped-Beaker-people.html

  • @destructionindustries1987
    @destructionindustries1987 ปีที่แล้ว

    4:40 love the way you quote him.

  • @EyeOfWoden
    @EyeOfWoden 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    GRIMRIK!!! Fascinating video. Thanks!

  • @thomasspicer4130
    @thomasspicer4130 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very interesting indeed another smashing video sir 👌🏻

  • @benk1930
    @benk1930 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Wow, Tom Hardy really knows his shit!!!

  • @dannyarcher5690
    @dannyarcher5690 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent vid StJ, really enjoyed it!

  • @shootermacgavin1
    @shootermacgavin1 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    My family is from a village very close to Stonehenge. This is a very interesting video. Thank you!

  • @carausiuscaesar5672
    @carausiuscaesar5672 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I visited the Orkney standing stones in 2016. I wonder how they fit into your narrative?Good video by the way.

  • @theirishshane
    @theirishshane 5 ปีที่แล้ว +65

    Very Indo European indeed.

    • @CommanderM117
      @CommanderM117 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wireshrub and i likely have viking on top of that

  • @boxant
    @boxant 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    good work, and thank you

  • @JoJeck
    @JoJeck 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Excellent video. I especially like the mannerbund idea as part of the reason why the Bell Beaker people became our most significant contributors to the modern English gene pool. I had always supposed that more of my genes came from the builders of Stonehenge, since I come from the West Country, but I'll settle for 10% or so and the rest IE.

  • @danielpatrick3761
    @danielpatrick3761 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video Tom. Your channel is an absolute goldmine (beware incoming Beaker takeover)

  • @HerewardtheWake23
    @HerewardtheWake23 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic video, you never disappoint

  • @ian_b
    @ian_b 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really interesting video, glad I found it. I think this is my first visit to your channel, subscribed.

  • @TheGreenmangrove
    @TheGreenmangrove 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    brilliant document.

  • @sirhenrybiglingtonsimmerso1579
    @sirhenrybiglingtonsimmerso1579 5 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Build it and they will come.
    We never learn :)

  • @briananderson2219
    @briananderson2219 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I hit the thumbs up and subscribed well done sir

  • @careyannewesternpa5512
    @careyannewesternpa5512 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your work is respected and awesome. Thank you from the USA

  • @davidschlageter5962
    @davidschlageter5962 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome as always, but particularly awesome! :)

  • @cindaschuster6725
    @cindaschuster6725 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Vid! 💚

  • @Kokirikid101
    @Kokirikid101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This video makes me miss England so much. Always admired Stonehenge from a distance on the back from LHR, can't wait to get the chance to visit it and the surrounding barrows in the future. Ever since I read the Barrow downs section LotR I've been fascinated with them.

    • @Anglisc1682
      @Anglisc1682 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same!! Especially with the mention of Barrow Downs

  • @theironpill9296
    @theironpill9296 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing vid as usual!

  • @jl9211
    @jl9211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The british isles have a unique and interesting early history, but as far as the whole of Europe is concerned, I don't buy Gimbutas' openly feminist theory that the Indo-Europeans introduced patriarchy and warlikeness, especially when the militia cultures of the Greco-Romans (who were mostly of neolithic/Pelasgian descent) memed the Indo-European Scythians for their elevated role of women in politics and warfare, and made similar references about the Celts and North Germanic tribes. The ethos of the "matriarchal mother earth goddess" claim is the existence of depictions of women, as if that's all they find, or they reference the kind of pre-aryan mountain tribes you encountered in India as if they're neolithic Europeans.

    • @mankyscotchgit4986
      @mankyscotchgit4986 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      You're probably right. The neolithics wouldn't have been as successful as they were for as long as they were if they hadn't been patriarchal and warlike - those are pretty much the foundations of any successful culture.

    • @snowfrosty1
      @snowfrosty1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Manky Scotch Git
      Well to be intellectually honest and fair, there are currently existing ‘modern’ human populations like the Bropka, Garo, Himba, Akan and Kurds that don’t live according to established, time-tested and historically proven patriarchal ways yet are rather successful, within their respective societal+ecological contexts that is. “Soft” and “Hard” patriarchal models do seem to be best for most State-societies though, at least since the days of Classical civilization.

    • @jl9211
      @jl9211 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@snowfrosty1 Those peoples never got to the level of expansion and advancement of the neolithic Europeans. The kurds are patriarchal

    • @snowfrosty1
      @snowfrosty1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Solid Snek
      Hence I stated “within their respective societal+ecological contexts”, you are correct about the Kurds though. Thank you for the correction 👍.

    • @mrillis9259
      @mrillis9259 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Behind every successful war band of men, are powerful women keeping Chad company at home.
      Women have always lead from the rear.

  • @Anaris10
    @Anaris10 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The stone with the hole in the center look like an arrow straightener.

    • @cathjj840
      @cathjj840 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ceremonial hatchet? Would a VIP of the time be using arrows?

  • @worndown8280
    @worndown8280 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I know this is an older video but I just recently found your channel. But could not the two individuals who you state were in the British Isles also have been born from women taken in Raids, much as the Vikings did, thousands of years later.
    Perhaps we are seeing the genetic effects of generational raiding?

  • @npickard4218
    @npickard4218 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks!

  • @abrahamdozer6273
    @abrahamdozer6273 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love that picture of Ava at 1:15. We have the same mitochondrial Haplogroup markers.
    She looks just like one of my nieces.
    Ava has since been coloured darker and now she looks like another one of my nieces.

  • @Jordan-im7qr
    @Jordan-im7qr 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Fantastic video. What language do you think the Bell Beaker people of the Lower Rhine, the bulk of the invading culture as I understand it, spoke?

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      some late form of Indo-European which we will never know

    • @mouthpiece200
      @mouthpiece200 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their languages must have varied significantly across time and place. They probably never thought of themselves as a single people.

  • @audunedvinmagnussen9894
    @audunedvinmagnussen9894 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    You did many good videos!

  • @matthewm2528
    @matthewm2528 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That mannerbund thing is brilliant

  • @TheBubbaMan
    @TheBubbaMan 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Quite interesting, Thank you!

  • @T_bone
    @T_bone 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely fascinating.

  • @leornendeealdenglisc
    @leornendeealdenglisc 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Very Bell-Beakery.

  • @persylives6487
    @persylives6487 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting. Subbed! 👍🏼

  • @JeppeJ0
    @JeppeJ0 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The reason why the Indo-Europeans might have been more comfortable with building in wood could be because they were accustomed to building chariots. This would have implied advanced woodworking skills as chariots are not at all easy to make. Also might explain how the beaker people managed to create a ship building tradition even though they were from the steppes originally. Mixing with local fisher folk would have created the perfect combination of skills. Even if the mixing did occur in their terms, there would still have been the possibility of cultural transfer from their new relatives through marriage.

  • @shrugger1
    @shrugger1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Holds true today. If you have cool stuff, you'd better defend it.

    • @godofthisshit
      @godofthisshit 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @White guy Those tears.

  • @Dale_The_Space_Wizard
    @Dale_The_Space_Wizard 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am currently interested in the links between the gods Odin and Apollo, there seems to be a lot of similarities between the two deities. Any thoughts?

  • @robertg305
    @robertg305 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video. Your intro is so relaxing

  • @travisaurand7550
    @travisaurand7550 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm quite interested in your research on Stonehenge and the area . I wish that I would have had this information while I was there

  • @pgm3
    @pgm3 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thought-provoking it is! Why, specifically, are you unconvinced that the bronze-age newcomers weren't the people of the bluestones? You mention, in passing that you weren't convinced, and that sort of left that point hanging. Great video!

  • @dedsert9653
    @dedsert9653 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I like that you can tell the time of year this was filmed from your choice of flowers

  • @TheM41a
    @TheM41a 5 ปีที่แล้ว +25

    Not enough talk of placenta 0/10.

  • @kurtschneider4493
    @kurtschneider4493 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much!

  • @michaelaclarke3228
    @michaelaclarke3228 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Plague (yersinia pestis) was first spread by the Yamnaya 5000 years ago, so that might explain part of the genetic shift

    • @michaelaclarke3228
      @michaelaclarke3228 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      In Portugal, the Mouras - black giantesses were said to have built the Stone circles

  • @clanksshekels
    @clanksshekels 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The replacement of previous genetic groups in Britain must serve as historic examples, ones we must learn from.