I agree 100%. 10 bit 422 on a full frame $3-$4000 camera is potentially a game changer. The big cinema cameras are moving towards full frame, but you can get a $3-4000 package that delivers Netflix spec in full frame. Anyone who doesn't see how this could be a big deal is myopic.
I'm so glad you're excited about trying out their cameras. I'm super excited to see how much better the video AF is on it. That might be the number one thing for me right now.
@@dslrvideoshooter you know those incredible side by side videos you give us about mics... I can just imagine the video af side by side against Canon and Sony! Pretty soon I won't have to imagine it though, right? ;) You're awesome Caleb.
the autofocus with their Z lenses is incredibly good.. as good as sony. But you might have to get clever (better plan out the focusing) with other lenses.
No William. They said the demand is higher than expected and they will not be able to fill all the orders right away. Very different than the camera is delayed. This is how crap gets started. You hear a talking head say it and repeat it without checking.
Why when you could buy a Sony today and a Sony A7S iii soon both fully working on day one, with dual cards and a great selection of native lens that focus fast. Plus third party lens support.
Most DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't have timecode built in, with a few exceptions like the GH5. I don't think Sony's A-series cameras have it, only the FS series.
As a professional sound recordist, you’ll more than likely need to use an external timecode box (source) all the same as even the alexa’s that I work with have timecode drift over a full production day. This is an exciting little camera though and I’m sure for short sit down interviews it’s TC will suffice.
I was disappointed with the new nikon cameras and decided they weren't for me. Finally had my fill of all the controversy and wasn't hoping to watch this video. After a while a got bored and watched it anyhow. You totally blew my mind away. You are totally right. Thinking about video which is my main business has me looking at this completely different now.
Dear insecure Sony fanboys. If Nikon makes a great mirrorless camera for video, it doesn't make your wonderful Sony worse. Why not just be happy that the mirrorless market is heating up, and the future will be filled with innovation from all sides? There will always be pros and cons to different systems.
Well it doesn't seem that Nikon has innovated at all with the Z series... so they aren't putting pressure on Sony to innovate faster. By most accounts this is a huge flop. I just heard that the Z7 has been delayed by months now because Nikon is seeing how bad they dropped the ball. Sony shooters hoped for more from Nikon...
Nikon Z6 = 10 bit 4:2:2 full frame 4k hybrid camera for 2 thousand dollars. That's a first. The delays are because preorders are out the door and the factory cannot keep up, not because "they dropped the ball" .. What planet are you on Kyle? Try to be objective, for goodness sakes. Sony will no doubt do some great things with the A7Siii, and I'll be delighted to see it. Sony fanboys are a strange breed indeed. petapixel.com/2018/08/28/nikon-is-sorry-that-the-z7-is-selling-so-quickly/
@@declanmurphy1006 my opinion is that they are using the "we are selling them too fast excuse" as cover for seeing all the negative reviews and going back and addressing some of the deficiencies. Nikon marketed this as a game changer... If so, they should've known that demand would be high. It just doesn't line up with what they have marketed. Only time will tell, and I guess we may never know why it is truly delayed. Maybe it is selling too fast and they aren't prepared, but you have to admit that it's possible I'm right too. I think fixing some of the issues before shipping an underwhelming camera would be a good thing.
Full Frame + 10-bit 4k + LOG + Good IBIS + Good Video Autofocus + Good Low Light + Great Color Science + Strong Memory Card + Only $2,000 = Great Cinema Camera.
Rolling shutter is likely to be problematic though. It takes too much processing power to resolve that much information in such a small package without overhearing. So for video the Z6 (like the new A7 series) is only good for slow pans and no fast moving objects across the frame. Rolling shutter is the issue everyone seems to be ignoring. Wish these cameras have global shutter, but the processing power (for the size) just isn't there yet.
There's always the Blackmagic Production Camera for those shots that would otherwise result in rolling shutter. But it would be nice if we didn't need a separate camera for those shots.
You know, finally, someone who has given some thought before they hit upload. No hyperbole, no overreaction. Just decent reasonable commentary. You have a new subscriber.
Yup, and Canon's EF-M flange distance is 18mm, and so is Sony's E-mount. What I can't figure out is why he thinks a 12mm flange distance is going to give "more room" for future mount possibilities? XD
Hi, Caleb, I’m at the CES in LV and the rep at the Nikon booth told me a few things that you might be interested in hearing: the Z6 was video-centric to begin with, whatever that meant; there’s a firmware that’s being cleaned up that will give the Z6 eye-AF; that same firmware will give you 4.2.2 10-bit RAW output through the HDMI port. Thought you might want to hear that.
Hi Caleb, I have subscribed now for a month as becoming interested in video, why you ask? I'm a high school sport photographer (4 yrs) with Nikon equipment, lots of it, D5, D500 and on down but never interested in video until the Virus hit. With nothing to do, I purchased the Z6 / 24-70 f4 and FTZ adapter. This thing is so cool, tack sharp and with the third firmware upgrade 3.0 eye auto focus is amazing. and the Nikon color is always spot on. All my Nikon glass works great as does some Tamron and Sigma. Its opened up a whole new world for me and I've learned soooo much from your channel. You have a confident and calm delivery and explain things so well. Heck, my Small rig, FTZ mount, mic and rail system came in today. Thanks so much Caleb for your channel., Ted in Sebastian, Fl
Great video Caleb! Your points about 10 bit video and colour science are spot on. Most other camera reviewers are dismissing the importance of these two features. Regarding 10 bit 4:2:2 - Nikon doesn't have a cinema line so they have nothing to lose by going hard after good video. After almost 20 years of shooting on digital cameras (primarily stills) I can say that for me, a camera's colour signature is paramount. I fully realize what colour processing you can do in post for both stills and video, but the initial palette is a huge factor. I look forward to seeing what Nikon can deliver for video in this regard.
The first reasonable preview of the new camera to be launched. Sober and without the inbuilt expectations alot of other youtubers have recorded so far and focussing on other aspects. Well don't for not following the hype others followed. Bravo. ( btw , I shoot Olympus and Canon, not to think I'm Nikon biased. )
If you would buy this camera specifically for video, I'd say you should also consider Blackmagic's upcoming Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. It will have 4K 60fps 12-bit CinemaDNG RAW, for only $1300. Of course if you want to take stills this isn't really an option.
I thought about that since I want the Z6 for video. Here's the thing, I get to use all my Nikor glass with the Z and thats a better situation for me. I understand that's not the case for people coming from another system.
The press is flooded with reports that Nikon is so flooded with orders for Z7 that its issues an apology . Apparently people are more impressed with the pros than the cons of the z6 system . according to reports the Z7 has sold out faster than the D850 ..And still is ..
People tend to forget one point: If you buy a camera, you are investing in their lens system. And to be honest, 10 bit sounds exciting, but I have my doubts that they can rival upcoming canon and sony cameras. Personally, I would never sell all my lenses and go to nikon systems for video. but yeah, I do hope this forces sony to make 10 bit hdmi output available for the sony a7s iii
Sam Masghati how bout u keep all your lenses and own some another pIatform. I challenge you to embrace not one, but all platforms, and to not celebrate the differences of design by trolling one another’s forums, but take the opportunity to really learn and find what each can do for you. Hope you can afford it.
I was first contemplating between sony a7iii and fuji xt3,but after using them, ergonomically both were uncomfortable to hold .I then tried the z6 ,which was amazing .The quality of the camera is top notch. For me the z6 is the camera to buy. My reasons: -Good colour science,better than sony. -Good ergonomics -Im not a pro so 1 card slot is fine.even if i had two card slots i would not use it for redundancy, maybe for more storage. -good battery life.(I read quite a bit about it ,and all reviewers claim its atleast 1000 shots) -lens for me( i was going to buy 35 or 50 1.8 and a f4 zoom with a7iii which nikon has natively.Thats all I need.) -intervalometer -the lcd is awesome ,2.1 m dots -weather sealing -FF(wanted to upgrade form a 70d) -4k30p no crop,1080 120p no crop 8 bit video is fine for my needs. -usb charging -customisable modes (missing on xt3) -nice evf -silent shooting -ibis -good lowlight -lots of buttons for customisation.
Yup! EXACTLY! Nailed it on the head. I pre ordered the Z6 already and cant wait to try it out and see if the Nikon has better color science than the Sony :)
A few days ago, Larry, but we're not talking about ergonomics anyway. The Sony/Nikon/Canon etc colors are online for everyone to see. The A73 has definitely improved Sonys color science, but they still have work to do. It's interesting you brought up "using a Sony camera" because ergonomics are another area where Sony fall behind. I like Sony cameras in other ways. I find it strange how Sony fanboys so often turn these discussions into personal attacks. My non biased, objective opinion, is that Sony have been very innovative in many areas, but Nikon are still ahead when it comes to color science. That's not a personal attack on anyone.
Thanks for this Caleb. I agree, I'm excited about the possibilities here, especially as a long time Nikon shooter. Color science is traditionally very good with Nikon. Dynamic range doesn't sound class leading, but still, amazing capabilities for the price. I really like your idea for an electronic ND adapter.
So good to hear this. I was pretty sure that the majority of negative reviews were from the people who were unable to appreciate the adaptability of the Nikon Z and its ability to evolve a niche. Coming to the camera without prejudice was what we needed to hear from reviewers. It was clear to me that the modular nature combined with superior image science was the beacon for users who were not the typical Nikon DSLR users. It also had to be able to go further and deeper than they current mirrorless champions. The Z series looks like a powerful first shot. Firmware revisions will strengthen the performance, lenses will appear that will be geared to maximising the technical advantages of the very short lens to sensor distance. The form factor and a suitable rig will put it into the arena of being a powerful cinema grade camera. Good work Nikon. The naysayers decrying the prices need to see Z series in in the context of the professional cinema gear it can emulate at a fraction of their prices. This was a good assessment of how z-series will attract more and different users to Nikon without undermining Nikon’s other product lines.
You know me, Caleb. I'm the "10-bit or Bust" guy. I'm not put off by having to record externally for 10-bit. If I want to record ProRes with my GH5, I have to use my Ninja Inferno monitor. No big deal. It's worth the extra set up. As far as color science goes, you have to admit that the first sample video Nikon put out was pretty bad. You couldn't miss those blown out highlights. I was rather shocked that Nikon put that out. I hope that Nikon goes one step further and puts out a "camera body / lens" bundle so that people can start shooting right away. I got my GH5 as a bundle with the extremely sweet Panasonic Leica 12mm-60mm f2.8 lens. I also have to say that the upcoming BMPCC4K camera is going to compete with Nikon Z6/7 as far as choices go. I like to see what other people experiences are like before I consider buying another camera. So, of course, I will be looking forward to your review on the new Nikon cameras.
"Small cinema camera package," that was exactly my point. The Z6 is definitely of greatest interest to me. Still I don't see the need to chunk my GH4. The M43 is a way bigger sensor than the old 16mm, and photographic 35mm is bigger than motion picture 35mm due to the orientation, as you know. Nikon has put together something here. I hope they do well with it.
Man, I have been a subscriber of yours for a very long time but this is the first opportunity I have had to comment on any of your videos. I am a Nikon shooter that has more and more become a video maker and as such have been super interested in this release. But the cauldron of hyperbole - positive and negative - that has become the hallmark of TH-cam reviews has been overwhelming this past week or so. Thank you for your straightforward and honest opinion on the video specs of this camera. You're the man bro!
I'm primarily a stills photographer. I'd love a Z6 for personal use, but it's a bit expensive for that. Once I saw that Nikon was releasing a battery "pack" for it, and not a traditional vertical grip, it dawned on me that Nikon was pushing the video capabilities of these new cameras hard. Why? Who shoots video vertically? Couple that with the crazy write speed you get with the (admittedly single) XQD card, and you have a pretty solid video camera.
How did the Nikon Z6 work out for you? I'm looking to upgrade from a micro 4/3 to a Full frame for various reasons. I read reviews from other users of the Z6 that the tilting screen is flimsy and weak, and the overall placements of certain buttons on the body, is in the way during handheld filming or shooting, that could cause one to accidentally turn off the camera while filming. I also watched comparison reviews, showing that the auto-focus on the Z6 isn't as fast as Sony's competing flagship cameras.
These bodies and initial specs might not be what people were hoping for but the future they've created with this new mount will make up for everything once we see all the adapters and new lens designs come out.
I've got to say, I would love to try one of these cameras out! A few things though that I've noticed from comments and feedback from customers: Firstly: -To me it seems like the technology isn't quite there yet, but not due to lack of ability by the designers to build cameras but more of the abilities to adapt quickly to changing opinions, styles and general thoughts about what technically makes "the best camera". Basically everyone seems to expect different things from their cameras and right now there isn't a whole lot of options in the mirrorless range. I hope that Nikon, Sony and Cannon are enjoying revived interest in mirrorless cameras and we get to see the fruits of their efforts. For instance, with the Z6 and Z7 there are a few key features with this camera that folks do-not seem to enjoy. 1- The single memory card slot : Folks see the single slot and immediately classify this camera in the pro-sumer range. For myself this would not be an issue however some folks have become accustom to having that second card available in their workflow for backup and sense of confidence. Alternatively - folks who are new to cameras and stepping up from a cell phone will probably not give this a second thought - however this could be an expensive mistake to jump into cameras and find out it's not for you. 2-Battery-Life: Here I think we have Nikon DSLR users who are used to the nice power consumption of a DSLR VS the mirrorless. However I do like how they kept the same battery style so you can use older batteries you may have and charing via USB with the new batteries only I think would mean you could charge this camera from a USB battery bank or car charger or heck solar panel. To me- mobile charing is a big deal. (apparently the old batteries can be used but not charged via USB. A solution for both problem 1 and 2 would be to release a Z8 with a built in batty grip that houses those 2 card slots and extra battery at the cost of size and expense. Would be best to consult actual pros and ask them what they EXPECT in a pro camera - then toss them a little more bang for the buck. 3- Flip screen: For the ones that ask for this - this is always at the top of the list. For myself I'd want a monitor that would un-clip from the camera body like a little stand alone monitor / 4k video recorder unit instead of the little screen to squint at from arms length. However for folks that Vlog or in other words point the camera at themselves they need to see what the camera sees because they are usually a one person operation. If they can't see themselves, they may as well be using a film camera. There is no perfect flip out screen yet- I think this is what folks are still excited to see. The slide flip out screen can feel strange because you are holding the camera off to one side of your body trying to align. The flip-out screen seems more like a patch to help with overheating issues by keeping the screen elevated and away from the body and less like something that helps you see what you are capturing. The folks who figure out how to make the best flip out screen will be the ones to set the benchmark in displays. (Think outside the box guys!) 4-cost: Obviously the biggest issue is the cost. Most folks who haven't gotten into Nikon haven't done so due to the cost of the product and we may see the same trend here. People don't enjoy window shopping for something they want but will never get permission from the wife to purchase (ok maybe projecting here a bit but....) And folks right now are diving to see the progression of the mirrorless cameras. The z6 and z7 are two steps in the right direction and I love that. People seem to like: A- The grip and feel: The feel of the camera in the hands. I wouldn't underestimate this aspect as nothing feels worse then fumbling around with a camera that is hard to hold on-to. Haven't had the opportunity to feel it for myself but looks great. A fan of the larger body style. B-The image quality Obviously the thing that gets overlooked the most is the actual output of the camera- from what we can see looks great but haven't seen very much ultra low light or side by side comparisons. C- Image stabilizer Every camera needs this nowadays - I have a feeling that it will be better thing folks are used to . D- Sealed for weather Every camera needs this nowadays but people raving about it! E-N-log 10bit output The folks that know about picture profiles love this but its over the head of folks who don't know what it is. What do you like or dislike about this camera?
As a GH5S and GH5 video shooter with lots of nikon glass, the Z6 looks pretty good to me. I can record straight to the Atomos and avoid the $$ XQD card, get AF, VR, 10 bit and log. It's not that bad at all.
Just for information, the codec used by Nikon Z6/7 is H264 in a QT wrapper 8bits 4:2:0, wish is an unacceptable format for all BIG MEDIA PRODUCTION companies and TV stations in USA. The only way to get a really broadcast quality is recording externally.
Love the new background and it seems like your grading is better as well. Thanks for this perspective on this new camera. I was just watching some negative feedback on this camera and this is a good balance. I am excited about others jumping into the high power mirrorless game. Competition is always good.
I've been a Nikon shooter since the beginning and I really do love their color science, there is always somuch data in their photos it's amazing. Now that they are taking video seriously I have a feeling they are going to do well. I hope to have a Z6 sitting next to my GH5 in the next couple of months 😎
Great preview, I see so many people bashing this camera because of the one slot etc. But this camera with an atomos V is still below $ 3000 and all this can easily fit in a shoulder bag. You would think that having an Imax 70mm camera with 10 bit the size of normal slr and a flash is some kind of moster shoulder only camera. Something that you can hand hold and use as a normal photo camera with its 5 stop IBIS. The Ninja will also give you a ton of exposure/framing/colour(with lut) tool that will put it nearly on par with any traditional shoulder camcorder and people complain. You will also get dual recording for redundancy with it.
10 bit color is great and all, but it doesn't have a log format, so you end up baking in a lot of stuff so your dynamic range is going to suffer, even if what you do have is a bit more flexible. I also don't see why the big mount is such a big deal. While a f/0.95 is kind of cool, the lens looks monstrous and not very practical. Plus, if you are shooting Sony you already have 3 options for e-mount f/0.95 lenses from third party manufactures. That being said, I will say Nikon Color Science is pretty spot on. Sony is still working on that stuff. I haven't tried their "latest" that they put into things like the FS5ii but with what I have worked with they take a little bit of finessing to get things like pleasing skin tones.
I'm a Nikon shooter and you said out loud what I'm trying to explaint to my fellow photog friends, Nikon Z series they were not meant for photos but the'll make killer video rigs!
I'm a Lumix GH5/S user having previously been shooting with Canons and I think this is great news for the market in general, even if you're not buying this camera - Sony and Canon will have to react, the latter in particular given their pathetic excuse for a mirrorless camera (the EOS R). I actually find it odd some people are complaining. Personally, I wish they found a way to get 4K 60 fps or 10-bit internal (or both), but I guess they had to come up short somewhere, right? Otherwise, Nikon would have just put the rest of the mirrorless and DSLR market out of business! 10bit 4K full-frame, with great AF, colour science and low-light performance for less than $3,000 (external monitors & extras), when you consider what else is out there and what people were getting for that money only a few years ago, is insane. I will seriously be torn between this and the new Lumix S1 when we have a better idea of what the final specs of the latter will be and how the new AI-assisted AF will perform.
I am Sony shooter but I think Nikon did a great job with that camera, I do not like how they criticize Nikon, I think they do it only to be controversial, I would love to see SDI on those cameras, just saying... great channel Man
Great minds think alike. I said this on my livestream yesterday and said the competition coming from the Z6 is big even with an external recorder. Well done Caleb
Thanks for your great balanced preview . I really like your GH 5 tutorials . And am so excited about your upcoming Z mount system tutorials . The point about color science is very valid . Ultimately the most important technology in shooting is the human mind . People in 1950 s and 1960 s have created films that will challenge any cinematographer even today . Who knows better than you . The Nikon system is so much more aesthetically pleasing what with its terrific evf , monitor and the general ergonomics , not least weather sealing . As a professional video film maker can you advise us : Is it a good idea to buy into the z system for professional video production pipeline for indie feature films & ad films especially low light shooting ? What s your take on the four main concerns please : 1. Slow auto focus ? 2. The fact that Nikon doesn't share it's mount tech with 3rd party lens manufacturers like Sigma Tamron Tikona etc ...so would those f mount lenses perform well on the new adapter ? 3. Will the new z lenses eco system be extremely expensive ? Nikon has just announced yesterday that these cameras relese might be delayed for months to address the bad mouthing they got on TH-cam influencers channels on the above issues including battery life . What's your final take ? Wait for Canon Mirrorlress ? Or for the final production version of Nikon Z6 system ? Thanks for your kind patience.
Good points, sir, if I was a video guy...However, I'm a stills guy only, and for my landscape and product images, I currently use the Fujiflm X-System and their stellar Fujinon XF lenses. That said, my first camera back in the '70's, was the Nikkormat FT3, so I do have some history with Nikon, and wish them success with the Z7 Series.
Finally! Regardless of whether you love or hate Nikon the videos specs for the Z6 will put enourmous pressure on the canon C series and will have Canon worried for sure. This cant help but shake up the DSLR video scene and force more manufacturers to put more serious specs in cheaper cameras down the track, competition is great and it will help everyone in the end!
finally. some level headed appraisal. The biggest thing about the new Z series is the mount. Their motive was sharper corners with the larger mount. This is going to be a good design going forwards something that people seemed to have omitted in their reviews. Will be good to see how fast with the wifi AC you can copy files off the camera too if its as fast as using a card reader. Will be one less thing to carry around. My only gripe with the new lens mount is that Nikon have not opened it up to 3rd party developers like sony did. This would help with their lens lineup and the fact nikon only have a finite budget to develop new lenses.
and this is absolutely true..until the A7Siii comes out, but then the colour scince issue still there. Even though I find the colours out of my A7iii miles better than previous Sonys
Everyone seems to be talking about this Nikon 58mm f0.95 like it’s something new and groundbreaking, but there are plenty of f0.95’s for Sony full frame already for example Mitakon 50mm f0.95 or Meyer Optik 75mm f0.95, and plenty for Canon too!
manual focus with focus peeking will be fantastic. some people dont "get" what the appeal is for big aperture lenses. then leave it to people that know what to do with them.
While skeptical of the new system due to there only being three native lenses at launch, I'm curious to see what will come of the Z6, doubly so it's effectiveness as a hybrid camera.
There are additional issues that needs to be addressed about any Video-on-Z6 discussion: 1. Keep in mind that film making newbies need to accommodate the cost of a brand new computer system to help process all that 4K data. 2. Still no 4K 60fps. Seems like the only way to get that is Canon C200 or GH5. 3. Still no 4K Raw Lite, Panny couldn't pull it off with the GH5/GH5s and now Nikon can't pull it off with Z6. 4. The quality of the image, resolution, frames per second, and the mode when writing to the internal storage does not seem to be very optimized. 5. You cannot Video AF on a lens like the Nikon S 58mm f/0.95, exactly the sort of lens that badly need Video AF. 6. Nikon S lenses might not be so great (maybe downright unhelpful) for people who insist on manual focus pulling. 7. You are introducing a brand new system that other filmmakers and film crew aren't going to be familiar with. Hollywood is adverse to change, they rather use Arri Alexa, which works exactly like their film cameras. 8. In the cost analysis, don't forget newbie film makers have to pay for things like all kinds of mics, the camera could use a proper matt box, and things like gimbal. 9. Nikon needs to declare war on Canon C100/C200/C300, Sony FS7, and Fuji MK, and strive to take their video-fu to the next level, only by doing this will they garner the respect they need from video production people. 10. Canon 6D 2 (also suffering from #onecardgate) has a flip out screen. Vloggers and one-person film crews are wondering a loud why a "fun" "non pro" camera like Z6 does not have a flip out screen. Unknowns (that would be wonderful if a TH-camr can address it): A. Arri Alexa and Canon C200 are cameras that not only do digital RAW, but they have the right "look". Whether it be Arri's reputation for looking like Kodak's film and their camera's ability to replicate the traditional film response when the film has blown highlights or Canon's "just the right amount of sharpness" and highly "cinematic" look and how skintones look great. I think it would be good to pay close attention to Z6's video files to see if it has "the right look", how it is (or isn't) filmic. Both qualitative and quantitative comparison TH-cam videos that directly pit the Z6 against these $30,000 cameras you mentioned in the video would be quite welcome. It would be cool if the comparison review does a side-by-side comparison. Like Alexa/C200/GH5/A7iii on the left pane, Z6 on the right pane. B. Can people actually use it in the capacity of a Canon C200? Can video production houses actually make better interviews, make commercials, make micro films, and more. I think it would be great if we started seeing actual films come out and are able to check out their behind-the-scene. C. How well can a serious colorist grade Z6 footage? I'd love to see a seasoned industry pro colorist have a crack at Z6 footage. Going back to #1, Tony Northrup feels so strongly about video ability outside of Z6, that yesterday he bent over backwards to mention that GH5 can do 60fps @ 4K: th-cam.com/video/73vBlRjauDI/w-d-xo.html
The only thing I am not so content with is the 1 card slot - but in more than one way I AM very excited for this new system - and will take a closer look how it all develops over time, as I am willing to go back to Nikon without any questions asked - if the package is right.
and they will be available on the z mount when adapters are made for them. its just a matter of time until mitakon is making native mounts as well. im thinking that the leicas may behave better on the nikons as well. no way to know until it happens though.
paradiddlesixix We’ll have to wait on tests, depends on the filter stack on the sensor. Considering the sensors are basically cut from the same cloth, I don’t expect huge performance differences between the two for adapted lenses. Leica M lenses need sensors with no filter stack to perform optimal, like for example film.
My thoughts are they asked to much in comparison to what Sony offers. It is more for the Z7 then the a7r iii and offers less spec wise. The lack of native lenses should also be factored in. They missed out with the battery and one card slot more then anything. The lack of redundancy sucks. Hopefully the battery grip will "fix" that. I think gen one will be good but will need some work. I think gen 2 will be very good. All the potential is in the mount.
@@skatertwig26 dpreview screen off and only on when needed, evf with sensor activation 1300-1600 shots. and one youtuber (i think it was froknowsphoto) 500shots and some 4k clips 50%batterie left. I think Cipa is using the backscreen to much. Maybe because of the stunning image quality 😂.
I've been a Canon user for many years, but I think I'm starting to like the Nikon colors better. I used to think Nikon was shooting for a more chrome/slide look, while Canon was going for a negative film look. But now I'm not so sure. Something looks weird to me in the EOS R footage I've seen so far. But I'll have to keep checking things out, before deciding which to get.
There has always been brilliant cameras with inconvenient compromises. And people make workarounds and get on with things. The new Zs will be just that. I wonder if people will change their tune or stick to their guns when the real creative professionals start populating TH-cam with beautiful 4k video from these cameras.
Are you fucking simple Sibir? What does professional even mean? Making money from videography? There's thousands of "professionals" out there every day using everything from iPhones to Alexas and everything in between... "not pro grade".. GTFO
People have their mind made up already , before they even watch it . I've seen 3 other videos about this camera and the same names pop up in the comments spreading hate and negative reviews
I agree too that the Z6 especially looks like a super video camera and certainly would have to be looked at as a serious option for professional video now. The problem is I don't think it was as well thought out for stills which given Nikon has up until now been more a stills maker is a surprise. At the moment for those who want to use AF I think it still has some way to catch up to Canon and Sony especially for focuing on eyes.
Great insights, thanks. observations from an non-pro enthusiast: 1) While some pro's drool over 10bit and Log, many have said it's just not worth the effort. Definitely not for me, too much work, and to quote Tony Northrup, "our audience doesn't notice the difference". 2) I never buy Gen 1. Always wait till at least Gen 2 and preferable Gen 3. Look how long it took Panasonic, the GH4 was their 1st great camera. The question is will Nikon ever catch up. The competition isn't sitting still. 3) I hear ya on price. For $2k and one or two good lenses; you have a really nice package that does low light video. However, the jury is still out on real world performance.
People are not going to like the fact you're not crapping on Nikons Z cameras here. Yes, the the large mount short 16mm flange, opens up possibilities that I'm really excited about. I have to add the color science can most definitely include Panasonic :) I can see a possible firmware upgrade allowing 10 bit directly to the in-camera memory, in the near future , being they are 400 MB/S XQD cards. Also, from what I understand , the Nikon Z6 performs full-pixel readout for full sensor width 4K UHD video recording and does not perform pixel binning or cropping. It reads 6K video and then resamples to 4K output where as the Z7 does not.
I don't think people are wrong, it's just stills shooters tend to have different needs to video ones. Nikon also had a lot of time to watch Sony and tweak their offering, I think most were expecting something a bit more "interesting". Say fully articulating screen, dual SD slots, higher quoted battery life. And we're still stuck with those awful AF assist lights which are annoying
I'm a Nikon shooter. Have been for many years. I have my glass investment. Glad Z will adapt to old glass. Smart. With all it's drawbacks, I currently shoot my video on a Nikon D5500 (and I shoot other Nikons for still work.) Small, Reasonably priced, Great color right out of the box and arguably some of the best glass in the world. Ok, Zeiss, Canon and Pentax make some dope glass. I do love the Schneider for large format. I'd try out a Z but why didn't they produce a fully articulating view screen? There are no buttons to the left of the screen so it's reasonable to assume it could be made to swivel out like the D5500. the Z6 would be a very good full frame option for video shooters as well as low light still shooters. A vlogger would struggle somee. Ok, this is a first world problem isn't it? ;)
these adaptors are slow to respond AF (on Sony and others and eventually people have to buy native lens. Nikon can not be exceptional (especilly when it is legging in technology by 4-5 years).
When I saw those specs I immediately thought Caleb Pike is going to get that camera and be really excited about it. Looking forward to seeing that content. I am really excited about this camera as what is signals we might have in store from Canon.
The sample footage using NLog looked a bit yellow to me. I'm excited to see more footage. But I ultimately held off getting this one because I assumed if Nikon can do 10bit out, I'm pretty sure we will see the a7S III do it as well (if not internal, as well). Also, the DR is 12-stop, same as GH5(s)/V-Log L, while the Sony/S-Log can retain much more information.
Subscribed done. So refreshing to hear you talking about some positives, Nikon may have missed the mark for some, you knowing the saying, all the people all the time. I think they have earned the right to some respect and the grant of peoples time to get to use and know this new equipment.
Loved this video Caleb! I'm a Nikon native shooter (it's a Judd family thing) and have been dying for something smaller than my Ursa for run & gunning. I LOVE Nikon color science and have always wondered why they haven't competed with the Canon C-series cinema cameras. One can hope.
Really great points, Caleb! It makes me wonder if the new Canon Mirrorless or the A7siii will try to give attempt 10bit 4k... maybe even internally, or USB C out...
Great run down here on the advantages of the new cameras and a real honest look at why these new cameras are truly exciting for Nikon shooters, I too will certainly be after a Z6 for youtube and video work and with the ability to use all those awesome AIS manual lenses for Nikon ( as so many have rated for video work in the past) it should be a sweet little system to work with! Looking forward to more of your thoughts on the new cameras! Cheers, Tom
finally someone that isnt all negative about something new; that all you hear now days is negative about something new that is coming out and how it should have been made their way; i have actually unsubscribed to a few of them because of always being negative
Totally agree with you about the colour science and especially 10bit (12bit with upcoming raw!) 4k...comparable competition from Sony and Canon just cannot match the quality of the output from the Z6. Concerned it could be a Betamax vs Vhs situation though. In general, people put other factors ahead of image quality when assessing a product. Sure, other factors are important, but if you are serious about your cinematography, don't you wan't the best image quality possible? Also, I like how Nikon has made a mirrorless full frame for the cinematography market. It shows a potential way forward for them when DSLR's eventually die and are fully replaced by mirrorless. (for my money the same goes for bull*** crop sensor anything!)
Still waiting on the Canon FF mirrorless but thanks for digging beneath the surface showing the TRUE value of the camera. BTW - I would wager that there wedding photogs only represent a small portion of an overall market. I'm sure they're significant but I'd love to see the stats. I'm sure Nikon marketers looked at this.
The one and only thing that keeps me from buying the z6 right off the bat is i cannot use it professionally because it only has one card slot, im waiting to find out info on the grip if the grip coming out has a second card slot im all in. If it doesnt I might end up waiting for the next generation and hoping for something better.
To be honest I wasn’t expecting much from Nikon but they really stepped up there game. I’m really happy what they can out with. Can’t wait for Canon’s reaction.
THANK YOU! Finally, someone of credibility is observing the same finer features of the Z6 that I see. Looking forward with excitement to your hands-on tests. Thanks again. (Finger on the order trigger.)
What I'm glad about is that Nikon stepping their game up to Sony is that they're both gonna start battling. And that just means more good stuff down the line for the end user.
I own a Canon T5i and for the relatively cheap cost of it, I've been very happy with it as a camera. Canon makes some great glass at affordable prices on the low to mid price points. Nonetheless, I'm very happy that Nikon is taking (relatively) affordable cinema-grade 4K at a price point just above the prosumer models. As a Canon owner, I'm not enthused the Canon M50 has a crazy crop factor. I'd be willing to pay a little bit more for a better Canon 4k camera for vlogging or cinema shooting, but Canon (at least at this point in time) seems interested in protecting their far pricier options. Whether it is Canon, Nikon, Sony or some other brand, I welcome whatever competition we get in this space, as it should hopefully force the other vendors to start innovating more in the mid price tiers, offering more quality for creators at prices that are more affordable for the masses. Is there any way to mount my existing Canon glass with an adapter to a Nikon Z6? That would make it a very compelling option for those of us already heavily invested in Canon lenses. Great video Caleb!
Man... everyone complaining about these new cameras and I just wish I had money to upgrade from my D3100 😂
lol same!
What a shame! Even after 3 years after your comment, my situation is same even today.
I agree 100%. 10 bit 422 on a full frame $3-$4000 camera is potentially a game changer. The big cinema cameras are moving towards full frame, but you can get a $3-4000 package that delivers Netflix spec in full frame. Anyone who doesn't see how this could be a big deal is myopic.
12 bit
I'm so glad you're excited about trying out their cameras. I'm super excited to see how much better the video AF is on it. That might be the number one thing for me right now.
I totally agree. The Video AF is very important.
Thanks man! Yeah heres hoping it works well for video!
@@dslrvideoshooter you know those incredible side by side videos you give us about mics... I can just imagine the video af side by side against Canon and Sony! Pretty soon I won't have to imagine it though, right? ;) You're awesome Caleb.
the autofocus with their Z lenses is incredibly good.. as good as sony. But you might have to get clever (better plan out the focusing) with other lenses.
I’ve got a z6 on order for video purposes. Can’t wait to see how it performs.
it looks like you will be waiting a long time. Nikon is already apologizing that the cameras will be late.
@@williamblackwell9558 time will tell
No William. They said the demand is higher than expected and they will not be able to fill all the orders right away. Very different than the camera is delayed. This is how crap gets started. You hear a talking head say it and repeat it without checking.
lol
Why when you could buy a Sony today and a Sony A7S iii soon both fully working on day one, with dual cards and a great selection of native lens that focus fast. Plus third party lens support.
No one is talking about the fact that it has timecode, which is a must for professional shoots with multiple cameras and external sound recording.
Pretty sure you can shoot timecode with sony as well?!
Most DSLRs and mirrorless cameras don't have timecode built in, with a few exceptions like the GH5. I don't think Sony's A-series cameras have it, only the FS series.
The A7s ii does have timecode support . Even the RX10 III has it.
So you're not sure but made the comment anyway. Check again and come back with your updated comment.
As a professional sound recordist, you’ll more than likely need to use an external timecode box (source) all the same as even the alexa’s that I work with have timecode drift over a full production day. This is an exciting little camera though and I’m sure for short sit down interviews it’s TC will suffice.
I was disappointed with the new nikon cameras and decided they weren't for me. Finally had my fill of all the controversy and wasn't hoping to watch this video. After a while a got bored and watched it anyhow. You totally blew my mind away. You are totally right. Thinking about video which is my main business has me looking at this completely different now.
Dear insecure Sony fanboys. If Nikon makes a great mirrorless camera for video, it doesn't make your wonderful Sony worse. Why not just be happy that the mirrorless market is heating up, and the future will be filled with innovation from all sides? There will always be pros and cons to different systems.
Declan Murphy seems like you’re the one making personal attacks after all.
Well it doesn't seem that Nikon has innovated at all with the Z series... so they aren't putting pressure on Sony to innovate faster. By most accounts this is a huge flop. I just heard that the Z7 has been delayed by months now because Nikon is seeing how bad they dropped the ball. Sony shooters hoped for more from Nikon...
Nikon Z6 = 10 bit 4:2:2 full frame 4k hybrid camera for 2 thousand dollars. That's a first.
The delays are because preorders are out the door and the factory cannot keep up, not because "they dropped the ball" .. What planet are you on Kyle? Try to be objective, for goodness sakes. Sony will no doubt do some great things with the A7Siii, and I'll be delighted to see it. Sony fanboys are a strange breed indeed.
petapixel.com/2018/08/28/nikon-is-sorry-that-the-z7-is-selling-so-quickly/
i guessing the people who were upset were hoping for an exact copy of sonya7r3
@@declanmurphy1006 my opinion is that they are using the "we are selling them too fast excuse" as cover for seeing all the negative reviews and going back and addressing some of the deficiencies. Nikon marketed this as a game changer... If so, they should've known that demand would be high. It just doesn't line up with what they have marketed. Only time will tell, and I guess we may never know why it is truly delayed. Maybe it is selling too fast and they aren't prepared, but you have to admit that it's possible I'm right too. I think fixing some of the issues before shipping an underwhelming camera would be a good thing.
Full Frame + 10-bit 4k + LOG + Good IBIS + Good Video Autofocus + Good Low Light + Great Color Science + Strong Memory Card + Only $2,000 = Great Cinema Camera.
Rolling shutter is likely to be problematic though. It takes too much processing power to resolve that much information in such a small package without overhearing. So for video the Z6 (like the new A7 series) is only good for slow pans and no fast moving objects across the frame. Rolling shutter is the issue everyone seems to be ignoring. Wish these cameras have global shutter, but the processing power (for the size) just isn't there yet.
There's always the Blackmagic Production Camera for those shots that would otherwise result in rolling shutter. But it would be nice if we didn't need a separate camera for those shots.
i mean how often do you film dark knight or fast and furious? Or shot in the dark? lol :D
12 bit, not 10 bit!
thatchinaboi any new thoughts on this a year later? I keep wanting to buy the z6 but I think BMPCC is the only way for this price range
You know, finally, someone who has given some thought before they hit upload. No hyperbole, no overreaction. Just decent reasonable commentary. You have a new subscriber.
Small correction flange distance is 16mm .
Good save!
@@dslrvideoshooter Nice thoughts on Z6.
Yup, and Canon's EF-M flange distance is 18mm, and so is Sony's E-mount. What I can't figure out is why he thinks a 12mm flange distance is going to give "more room" for future mount possibilities? XD
So happy to see dslr video shooter preoeder it,so i can chk your honest review on it.
Hopefully the camera doesn't suck ha!
Hi, Caleb, I’m at the CES in LV and the rep at the Nikon booth told me a few things that you might be interested in hearing: the Z6 was video-centric to begin with, whatever that meant; there’s a firmware that’s being cleaned up that will give the Z6 eye-AF; that same firmware will give you 4.2.2 10-bit RAW output through the HDMI port. Thought you might want to hear that.
Hi Caleb, I have subscribed now for a month as becoming interested in video, why you ask? I'm a high school sport photographer (4 yrs) with Nikon equipment, lots of it, D5, D500 and on down but never interested in video until the Virus hit. With nothing to do, I purchased the Z6 / 24-70 f4 and FTZ adapter. This thing is so cool, tack sharp and with the third firmware upgrade 3.0 eye auto focus is amazing. and the Nikon color is always spot on. All my Nikon glass works great as does some Tamron and Sigma. Its opened up a whole new world for me and I've learned soooo much from your channel. You have a confident and calm delivery and explain things so well. Heck, my Small rig, FTZ mount, mic and rail system came in today. Thanks so much Caleb for your channel., Ted in Sebastian, Fl
Great video Caleb! Your points about 10 bit video and colour science are spot on. Most other camera reviewers are dismissing the importance of these two features. Regarding 10 bit 4:2:2 - Nikon doesn't have a cinema line so they have nothing to lose by going hard after good video.
After almost 20 years of shooting on digital cameras (primarily stills) I can say that for me, a camera's colour signature is paramount. I fully realize what colour processing you can do in post for both stills and video, but the initial palette is a huge factor. I look forward to seeing what Nikon can deliver for video in this regard.
The first reasonable preview of the new camera to be launched. Sober and without the inbuilt expectations alot of other youtubers have recorded so far and focussing on other aspects. Well don't for not following the hype others followed. Bravo. ( btw , I shoot Olympus and Canon, not to think I'm Nikon biased. )
If you would buy this camera specifically for video, I'd say you should also consider Blackmagic's upcoming Pocket Cinema Camera 4K. It will have 4K 60fps 12-bit CinemaDNG RAW, for only $1300. Of course if you want to take stills this isn't really an option.
I thought about that since I want the Z6 for video. Here's the thing, I get to use all my Nikor glass with the Z and thats a better situation for me. I understand that's not the case for people coming from another system.
The press is flooded with reports that Nikon is so flooded with orders for Z7 that its issues an apology .
Apparently people are more impressed with the pros than the cons of the z6 system .
according to reports the Z7 has sold out faster than the D850 ..And still is ..
People tend to forget one point: If you buy a camera, you are investing in their lens system. And to be honest, 10 bit sounds exciting, but I have my doubts that they can rival upcoming canon and sony cameras. Personally, I would never sell all my lenses and go to nikon systems for video.
but yeah, I do hope this forces sony to make 10 bit hdmi output available for the sony a7s iii
Sam Masghati the short flange distance means you can adapt almost any lens you'd like. There's anything but a shortage with this system.
yeah, no way I would pre order this before seeing canons offering. and Im a Nikon shooter
Sam Masghati how bout u keep all your lenses and own some another pIatform. I challenge you to embrace not one, but all platforms, and to not celebrate the differences of design by trolling one another’s forums, but take the opportunity to really learn and find what each can do for you. Hope you can afford it.
Like Jessie, I'm a Nikon shooter, and still waiting to see what Canon bring to the table.
Sep 5th, if that is the date of the announcement, isn't long to wait to play it safe
I was first contemplating between sony a7iii and fuji xt3,but after using them, ergonomically both were uncomfortable to hold .I then tried the z6 ,which was amazing .The quality of the camera is top notch.
For me the z6 is the camera to buy.
My reasons:
-Good colour science,better than sony.
-Good ergonomics
-Im not a pro so 1 card slot is fine.even if i had two card slots i would not use it for redundancy, maybe for more storage.
-good battery life.(I read quite a bit about it ,and all reviewers claim its atleast 1000 shots)
-lens for me( i was going to buy 35 or 50 1.8 and a f4 zoom with a7iii which nikon has natively.Thats all I need.)
-intervalometer
-the lcd is awesome ,2.1 m dots
-weather sealing
-FF(wanted to upgrade form a 70d)
-4k30p no crop,1080 120p no crop
8 bit video is fine for my needs.
-usb charging
-customisable modes (missing on xt3)
-nice evf
-silent shooting
-ibis
-good lowlight
-lots of buttons for customisation.
Just wanted to say your videos are really good man, way better than a lot of the other crappy camera channels out there (ones with far more views).
From Nikon's brochure - so, there are some things completely ignored by TH-camrs.
Yup! EXACTLY! Nailed it on the head. I pre ordered the Z6 already and cant wait to try it out and see if the Nikon has better color science than the Sony :)
If their LOG is good than I'm SURE it'll be better. I think we can safely say the in camera color will trump Sony too.
Nikon color science is superb in recent years.
Nikon hasn't had "green shift" since the D90. Sony on the other hand. People look physically ill.
Declan Murphy when was the last time you used a Sony camera?
A few days ago, Larry, but we're not talking about ergonomics anyway. The Sony/Nikon/Canon etc colors are online for everyone to see. The A73 has definitely improved Sonys color science, but they still have work to do. It's interesting you brought up "using a Sony camera" because ergonomics are another area where Sony fall behind. I like Sony cameras in other ways. I find it strange how Sony fanboys so often turn these discussions into personal attacks. My non biased, objective opinion, is that Sony have been very innovative in many areas, but Nikon are still ahead when it comes to color science. That's not a personal attack on anyone.
Thanks for this Caleb. I agree, I'm excited about the possibilities here, especially as a long time Nikon shooter. Color science is traditionally very good with Nikon. Dynamic range doesn't sound class leading, but still, amazing capabilities for the price. I really like your idea for an electronic ND adapter.
finally, a voice of reason.
So good to hear this. I was pretty sure that the majority of negative reviews were from the people who were unable to appreciate the adaptability of the Nikon Z and its ability to evolve a niche. Coming to the camera without prejudice was what we needed to hear from reviewers. It was clear to me that the modular nature combined with superior image science was the beacon for users who were not the typical Nikon DSLR users. It also had to be able to go further and deeper than they current mirrorless champions. The Z series looks like a powerful first shot. Firmware revisions will strengthen the performance, lenses will appear that will be geared to maximising the technical advantages of the very short lens to sensor distance. The form factor and a suitable rig will put it into the arena of being a powerful cinema grade camera. Good work Nikon. The naysayers decrying the prices need to see Z series in in the context of the professional cinema gear it can emulate at a fraction of their prices. This was a good assessment of how z-series will attract more and different users to Nikon without undermining Nikon’s other product lines.
You know me, Caleb. I'm the "10-bit or Bust" guy. I'm not put off by having to record externally for 10-bit. If I want to record ProRes with my GH5, I have to use my Ninja Inferno monitor. No big deal. It's worth the extra set up. As far as color science goes, you have to admit that the first sample video Nikon put out was pretty bad. You couldn't miss those blown out highlights. I was rather shocked that Nikon put that out. I hope that Nikon goes one step further and puts out a "camera body / lens" bundle so that people can start shooting right away. I got my GH5 as a bundle with the extremely sweet Panasonic Leica 12mm-60mm f2.8 lens. I also have to say that the upcoming BMPCC4K camera is going to compete with Nikon Z6/7 as far as choices go. I like to see what other people experiences are like before I consider buying another camera. So, of course, I will be looking forward to your review on the new Nikon cameras.
"Small cinema camera package," that was exactly my point. The Z6 is definitely of greatest interest to me. Still I don't see the need to chunk my GH4. The M43 is a way bigger sensor than the old 16mm, and photographic 35mm is bigger than motion picture 35mm due to the orientation, as you know.
Nikon has put together something here. I hope they do well with it.
Competition is great, it makes all of them step up the game to get our money. I’m looking forward to a full review here on your channel, Caleb.
Nice to hear a reviewer say something besides "ONLY ONE CARD SLOT" & take a look at some of the good features not available elsewhere.
Man, I have been a subscriber of yours for a very long time but this is the first opportunity I have had to comment on any of your videos. I am a Nikon shooter that has more and more become a video maker and as such have been super interested in this release. But the cauldron of hyperbole - positive and negative - that has become the hallmark of TH-cam reviews has been overwhelming this past week or so. Thank you for your straightforward and honest opinion on the video specs of this camera. You're the man bro!
I'm primarily a stills photographer. I'd love a Z6 for personal use, but it's a bit expensive for that.
Once I saw that Nikon was releasing a battery "pack" for it, and not a traditional vertical grip, it dawned on me that Nikon was pushing the video capabilities of these new cameras hard. Why? Who shoots video vertically? Couple that with the crazy write speed you get with the (admittedly single) XQD card, and you have a pretty solid video camera.
What’s the camera you keep holding up "¿ have you actually shot with the Z6? CB?
Honestly you are maybe the only person i realy trust about camera reviews in youtube... I cant wait to see your z6 review!
This is very exciting. And a great video, thanks a lot!
How did the Nikon Z6 work out for you? I'm looking to upgrade from a micro 4/3 to a Full frame for various reasons. I read reviews from other users of the Z6 that the tilting screen is flimsy and weak, and the overall placements of certain buttons on the body, is in the way during handheld filming or shooting, that could cause one to accidentally turn off the camera while filming. I also watched comparison reviews, showing that the auto-focus on the Z6 isn't as fast as Sony's competing flagship cameras.
My last Nikon was a D80. Not even had video functionality (came with D90 in 720p). But was a great camera and shot a ton of great photos with it. :)
These bodies and initial specs might not be what people were hoping for but the future they've created with this new mount will make up for everything once we see all the adapters and new lens designs come out.
I've got to say, I would love to try one of these cameras out!
A few things though that I've noticed from comments and feedback from customers: Firstly: -To me it seems like the technology isn't quite there yet, but not due to lack of ability by the designers to build cameras but more of the abilities to adapt quickly to changing opinions, styles and general thoughts about what technically makes "the best camera". Basically everyone seems to expect different things from their cameras and right now there isn't a whole lot of options in the mirrorless range. I hope that Nikon, Sony and Cannon are enjoying revived interest in mirrorless cameras and we get to see the fruits of their efforts.
For instance, with the Z6 and Z7 there are a few key features with this camera that folks do-not seem to enjoy.
1- The single memory card slot :
Folks see the single slot and immediately classify this camera in the pro-sumer range. For myself this would not be an issue however some folks have become accustom to having that second card available in their workflow for backup and sense of confidence. Alternatively - folks who are new to cameras and stepping up from a cell phone will probably not give this a second thought - however this could be an expensive mistake to jump into cameras and find out it's not for you.
2-Battery-Life:
Here I think we have Nikon DSLR users who are used to the nice power consumption of a DSLR VS the mirrorless. However I do like how they kept the same battery style so you can use older batteries you may have and charing via USB with the new batteries only I think would mean you could charge this camera from a USB battery bank or car charger or heck solar panel. To me- mobile charing is a big deal. (apparently the old batteries can be used but not charged via USB.
A solution for both problem 1 and 2 would be to release a Z8 with a built in batty grip that houses those 2 card slots and extra battery at the cost of size and expense. Would be best to consult actual pros and ask them what they EXPECT in a pro camera - then toss them a little more bang for the buck.
3- Flip screen:
For the ones that ask for this - this is always at the top of the list. For myself I'd want a monitor that would un-clip from the camera body like a little stand alone monitor / 4k video recorder unit instead of the little screen to squint at from arms length. However for folks that Vlog or in other words point the camera at themselves they need to see what the camera sees because they are usually a one person operation. If they can't see themselves, they may as well be using a film camera.
There is no perfect flip out screen yet- I think this is what folks are still excited to see. The slide flip out screen can feel strange because you are holding the camera off to one side of your body trying to align. The flip-out screen seems more like a patch to help with overheating issues by keeping the screen elevated and away from the body and less like something that helps you see what you are capturing. The folks who figure out how to make the best flip out screen will be the ones to set the benchmark in displays. (Think outside the box guys!)
4-cost:
Obviously the biggest issue is the cost. Most folks who haven't gotten into Nikon haven't done so due to the cost of the product and we may see the same trend here. People don't enjoy window shopping for something they want but will never get permission from the wife to purchase (ok maybe projecting here a bit but....) And folks right now are diving to see the progression of the mirrorless cameras. The z6 and z7 are two steps in the right direction and I love that.
People seem to like:
A- The grip and feel:
The feel of the camera in the hands. I wouldn't underestimate this aspect as nothing feels worse then fumbling around with a camera that is hard to hold on-to. Haven't had the opportunity to feel it for myself but looks great. A fan of the larger body style.
B-The image quality
Obviously the thing that gets overlooked the most is the actual output of the camera- from what we can see looks great but haven't seen very much ultra low light or side by side comparisons.
C- Image stabilizer
Every camera needs this nowadays - I have a feeling that it will be better thing folks are used to .
D- Sealed for weather
Every camera needs this nowadays but people raving about it!
E-N-log 10bit output
The folks that know about picture profiles love this but its over the head of folks who don't know what it is.
What do you like or dislike about this camera?
As a GH5S and GH5 video shooter with lots of nikon glass, the Z6 looks pretty good to me. I can record straight to the Atomos and avoid the $$ XQD card, get AF, VR, 10 bit and log. It's not that bad at all.
Just for information, the codec used by Nikon Z6/7 is H264 in a QT wrapper 8bits 4:2:0, wish is an unacceptable format for all BIG MEDIA PRODUCTION companies and TV stations in USA. The only way to get a really broadcast quality is recording externally.
I have always liked Nikon, but of course lately they just haven't been able to compete. But I have my fingers crossed for the new Z6.
Love the new background and it seems like your grading is better as well.
Thanks for this perspective on this new camera. I was just watching some negative feedback on this camera and this is a good balance. I am excited about others jumping into the high power mirrorless game. Competition is always good.
Thanks man! The mirrorless wars are just getting started. Great for us consumers!
I would like to see if it comes any closer to the image quality of video from the Samsung NX1 , then we'll talk about Nikon,Sony etc.
I've been a Nikon shooter since the beginning and I really do love their color science, there is always somuch data in their photos it's amazing. Now that they are taking video seriously I have a feeling they are going to do well. I hope to have a Z6 sitting next to my GH5 in the next couple of months 😎
Just wonder if the z6 autofocus for video will be same as the z7? As the z7 seems quite good for autofocus.
Super interesting! I hadn't thought about that before! Congrats on almost 300k!
Great preview, I see so many people bashing this camera because of the one slot etc. But this camera with an atomos V is still below $ 3000 and all this can easily fit in a shoulder bag. You would think that having an Imax 70mm camera with 10 bit the size of normal slr and a flash is some kind of moster shoulder only camera. Something that you can hand hold and use as a normal photo camera with its 5 stop IBIS. The Ninja will also give you a ton of exposure/framing/colour(with lut) tool that will put it nearly on par with any traditional shoulder camcorder and people complain. You will also get dual recording for redundancy with it.
10 bit color is great and all, but it doesn't have a log format, so you end up baking in a lot of stuff so your dynamic range is going to suffer, even if what you do have is a bit more flexible. I also don't see why the big mount is such a big deal. While a f/0.95 is kind of cool, the lens looks monstrous and not very practical. Plus, if you are shooting Sony you already have 3 options for e-mount f/0.95 lenses from third party manufactures.
That being said, I will say Nikon Color Science is pretty spot on. Sony is still working on that stuff. I haven't tried their "latest" that they put into things like the FS5ii but with what I have worked with they take a little bit of finessing to get things like pleasing skin tones.
I'm a Nikon shooter and you said out loud what I'm trying to explaint to my fellow photog friends, Nikon Z series they were not meant for photos but the'll make killer video rigs!
I'm a Lumix GH5/S user having previously been shooting with Canons and I think this is great news for the market in general, even if you're not buying this camera - Sony and Canon will have to react, the latter in particular given their pathetic excuse for a mirrorless camera (the EOS R). I actually find it odd some people are complaining. Personally, I wish they found a way to get 4K 60 fps or 10-bit internal (or both), but I guess they had to come up short somewhere, right? Otherwise, Nikon would have just put the rest of the mirrorless and DSLR market out of business!
10bit 4K full-frame, with great AF, colour science and low-light performance for less than $3,000 (external monitors & extras), when you consider what else is out there and what people were getting for that money only a few years ago, is insane. I will seriously be torn between this and the new Lumix S1 when we have a better idea of what the final specs of the latter will be and how the new AI-assisted AF will perform.
I am Sony shooter but I think Nikon did a great job with that camera, I do not like how they criticize Nikon, I think they do it only to be controversial, I would love to see SDI on those cameras, just saying... great channel Man
Great minds think alike. I said this on my livestream yesterday and said the competition coming from the Z6 is big even with an external recorder. Well done Caleb
Superb video! You make valid points that a lot folks miss. The color science is great on this camera.
Thanks for your great balanced preview .
I really like your GH 5 tutorials .
And am so excited about your upcoming Z mount system tutorials .
The point about color science is very valid .
Ultimately the most important technology in shooting is the human mind . People in 1950 s and 1960 s have created films that will challenge any cinematographer even today . Who knows better than you .
The Nikon system is so much more aesthetically pleasing what with its terrific evf , monitor and the general ergonomics , not least weather sealing .
As a professional video film maker can you advise us :
Is it a good idea to buy into the z system for professional video production pipeline for indie feature films & ad films especially low light shooting ?
What s your take on the four main concerns please :
1. Slow auto focus ?
2. The fact that Nikon doesn't share it's mount tech with 3rd party lens manufacturers like Sigma Tamron Tikona etc ...so would those f mount lenses perform well on the new adapter ?
3. Will the new z lenses eco system be extremely expensive ?
Nikon has just announced yesterday that these cameras relese might be delayed for months to address the bad mouthing they got on TH-cam influencers channels on the above issues including battery life .
What's your final take ?
Wait for Canon Mirrorlress ? Or for the final production version of Nikon Z6 system ?
Thanks for your kind patience.
Good points, sir, if I was a video guy...However, I'm a stills guy only, and for my landscape and product images, I currently use the Fujiflm X-System and their stellar Fujinon XF lenses. That said, my first camera back in the '70's, was the Nikkormat FT3, so I do have some history with Nikon, and wish them success with the Z7 Series.
I totally agree, I’m not super excited about the QXD slot but I preordered a z6 and I can’t wait to get my hands on it 👍
Those aren't in production yet, so you have plenty of time to cancel the order... LOL.
Finally! Regardless of whether you love or hate Nikon the videos specs for the Z6 will put enourmous pressure on the canon C series and will have Canon worried for sure. This cant help but shake up the DSLR video scene and force more manufacturers to put more serious specs in cheaper cameras down the track, competition is great and it will help everyone in the end!
finally. some level headed appraisal. The biggest thing about the new Z series is the mount. Their motive was sharper corners with the larger mount. This is going to be a good design going forwards something that people seemed to have omitted in their reviews. Will be good to see how fast with the wifi AC you can copy files off the camera too if its as fast as using a card reader. Will be one less thing to carry around. My only gripe with the new lens mount is that Nikon have not opened it up to 3rd party developers like sony did. This would help with their lens lineup and the fact nikon only have a finite budget to develop new lenses.
and this is absolutely true..until the A7Siii comes out, but then the colour scince issue still there. Even though I find the colours out of my A7iii miles better than previous Sonys
Everyone seems to be talking about this Nikon 58mm f0.95 like it’s something new and groundbreaking, but there are plenty of f0.95’s for Sony full frame already for example Mitakon 50mm f0.95 or Meyer Optik 75mm f0.95, and plenty for Canon too!
Its not just 0.95 its a "noct" lens
Hans S what makes a “noct” lens special/different?
Noct usually means a lens that performs as well wide open as it does when closed.
Lol have you ever use a medium format all the lens are big and heavy
manual focus with focus peeking will be fantastic. some people dont "get" what the appeal is for big aperture lenses. then leave it to people that know what to do with them.
Mannnnnnn!! I am soooo Happy you ordered one !! I am gonna be watching all of them alllllll videos you do about it! Cant wait
While skeptical of the new system due to there only being three native lenses at launch, I'm curious to see what will come of the Z6, doubly so it's effectiveness as a hybrid camera.
There are additional issues that needs to be addressed about any Video-on-Z6 discussion:
1. Keep in mind that film making newbies need to accommodate the cost of a brand new computer system to help process all that 4K data.
2. Still no 4K 60fps. Seems like the only way to get that is Canon C200 or GH5.
3. Still no 4K Raw Lite, Panny couldn't pull it off with the GH5/GH5s and now Nikon can't pull it off with Z6.
4. The quality of the image, resolution, frames per second, and the mode when writing to the internal storage does not seem to be very optimized.
5. You cannot Video AF on a lens like the Nikon S 58mm f/0.95, exactly the sort of lens that badly need Video AF.
6. Nikon S lenses might not be so great (maybe downright unhelpful) for people who insist on manual focus pulling.
7. You are introducing a brand new system that other filmmakers and film crew aren't going to be familiar with. Hollywood is adverse to change, they rather use Arri Alexa, which works exactly like their film cameras.
8. In the cost analysis, don't forget newbie film makers have to pay for things like all kinds of mics, the camera could use a proper matt box, and things like gimbal.
9. Nikon needs to declare war on Canon C100/C200/C300, Sony FS7, and Fuji MK, and strive to take their video-fu to the next level, only by doing this will they garner the respect they need from video production people.
10. Canon 6D 2 (also suffering from #onecardgate) has a flip out screen. Vloggers and one-person film crews are wondering a loud why a "fun" "non pro" camera like Z6 does not have a flip out screen.
Unknowns (that would be wonderful if a TH-camr can address it):
A. Arri Alexa and Canon C200 are cameras that not only do digital RAW, but they have the right "look". Whether it be Arri's reputation for looking like Kodak's film and their camera's ability to replicate the traditional film response when the film has blown highlights or Canon's "just the right amount of sharpness" and highly "cinematic" look and how skintones look great. I think it would be good to pay close attention to Z6's video files to see if it has "the right look", how it is (or isn't) filmic. Both qualitative and quantitative comparison TH-cam videos that directly pit the Z6 against these $30,000 cameras you mentioned in the video would be quite welcome. It would be cool if the comparison review does a side-by-side comparison. Like Alexa/C200/GH5/A7iii on the left pane, Z6 on the right pane.
B. Can people actually use it in the capacity of a Canon C200? Can video production houses actually make better interviews, make commercials, make micro films, and more. I think it would be great if we started seeing actual films come out and are able to check out their behind-the-scene.
C. How well can a serious colorist grade Z6 footage? I'd love to see a seasoned industry pro colorist have a crack at Z6 footage. Going back to #1, Tony Northrup feels so strongly about video ability outside of Z6, that yesterday he bent over backwards to mention that GH5 can do 60fps @ 4K: th-cam.com/video/73vBlRjauDI/w-d-xo.html
The only thing I am not so content with is the 1 card slot - but in more than one way I AM very excited for this new system - and will take a closer look how it all develops over time, as I am willing to go back to Nikon without any questions asked - if the package is right.
I’m sure the new 0.95 is gonna be nice and sharp, but there are plenty of 0.95 lenses out there that you can already put on E-mount.
and they will be available on the z mount when adapters are made for them. its just a matter of time until mitakon is making native mounts as well. im thinking that the leicas may behave better on the nikons as well. no way to know until it happens though.
paradiddlesixix We’ll have to wait on tests, depends on the filter stack on the sensor. Considering the sensors are basically cut from the same cloth, I don’t expect huge performance differences between the two for adapted lenses. Leica M lenses need sensors with no filter stack to perform optimal, like for example film.
My thoughts are they asked to much in comparison to what Sony offers. It is more for the Z7 then the a7r iii and offers less spec wise. The lack of native lenses should also be factored in. They missed out with the battery and one card slot more then anything. The lack of redundancy sucks. Hopefully the battery grip will "fix" that. I think gen one will be good but will need some work. I think gen 2 will be very good. All the potential is in the mount.
Around 1300 shot per battery it's not enought sorry but a d5 battery almost bigger than the camera
I think it would be fine if it was the same capacity as the A7R iii.
At the pre event they shoot over 500 pictures and they were at half battery
If that is the case it would be really nice. We will have to see it when it is released to be sure.
@@skatertwig26 dpreview screen off and only on when needed, evf with sensor activation 1300-1600 shots. and one youtuber (i think it was froknowsphoto) 500shots and some 4k clips 50%batterie left.
I think Cipa is using the backscreen to much. Maybe because of the stunning image quality 😂.
Thank you for the positive perspective. I agree too many people are being harsh just because it’s Nikon’s first try at a “pro” mirrorless.
I've been a Canon user for many years, but I think I'm starting to like the Nikon colors better. I used to think Nikon was shooting for a more chrome/slide look, while Canon was going for a negative film look. But now I'm not so sure. Something looks weird to me in the EOS R footage I've seen so far. But I'll have to keep checking things out, before deciding which to get.
There has always been brilliant cameras with inconvenient compromises. And people make workarounds and get on with things. The new Zs will be just that. I wonder if people will change their tune or stick to their guns when the real creative professionals start populating TH-cam with beautiful 4k video from these cameras.
Creative professionals use pro grade video equipment. The Z6 and Z7 are not pro grade video cameras.
Are you fucking simple Sibir? What does professional even mean? Making money from videography? There's thousands of "professionals" out there every day using everything from iPhones to Alexas and everything in between... "not pro grade".. GTFO
I agree with you, I am very excited for the z6, everyone just wants to hate on Nikon over trivial things.
Do people not watch the video before commenting or do they just have selective hearing.
People have their mind made up already , before they even watch it . I've seen 3 other videos about this camera and the same names pop up in the comments spreading hate and negative reviews
I agree too that the Z6 especially looks like a super video camera and certainly would have to be looked at as a serious option for professional video now. The problem is I don't think it was as well thought out for stills which given Nikon has up until now been more a stills maker is a surprise. At the moment for those who want to use AF I think it still has some way to catch up to Canon and Sony especially for focuing on eyes.
Great insights, thanks. observations from an non-pro enthusiast:
1) While some pro's drool over 10bit and Log, many have said it's just not worth the effort. Definitely not for me, too much work, and to quote Tony Northrup, "our audience doesn't notice the difference".
2) I never buy Gen 1. Always wait till at least Gen 2 and preferable Gen 3. Look how long it took Panasonic, the GH4 was their 1st great camera. The question is will Nikon ever catch up. The competition isn't sitting still.
3) I hear ya on price. For $2k and one or two good lenses; you have a really nice package that does low light video. However, the jury is still out on real world performance.
great to know your positive outlook towards Z6
while others are bashing it for 1 card slot, and slow AF, and no Noct-nikkor to be sold on launch, etc.
People are not going to like the fact you're not crapping on Nikons Z cameras here.
Yes, the the large mount short 16mm flange, opens up possibilities that I'm really excited about.
I have to add the color science can most definitely include Panasonic :)
I can see a possible firmware upgrade allowing 10 bit directly to the in-camera memory, in the near future , being they are 400 MB/S XQD cards.
Also, from what I understand , the Nikon Z6 performs full-pixel readout for full sensor width 4K UHD video recording and does not perform pixel binning or cropping. It reads 6K video and then resamples to 4K output where as the Z7 does not.
I don't think people are wrong, it's just stills shooters tend to have different needs to video ones. Nikon also had a lot of time to watch Sony and tweak their offering, I think most were expecting something a bit more "interesting". Say fully articulating screen, dual SD slots, higher quoted battery life. And we're still stuck with those awful AF assist lights which are annoying
I wonder if the XQD card will solve the overheating issue that plagues the a7series and GH5 when shooting video.
I'm a Nikon shooter. Have been for many years. I have my glass investment. Glad Z will adapt to old glass. Smart. With all it's drawbacks, I currently shoot my video on a Nikon D5500 (and I shoot other Nikons for still work.) Small, Reasonably priced, Great color right out of the box and arguably some of the best glass in the world. Ok, Zeiss, Canon and Pentax make some dope glass. I do love the Schneider for large format. I'd try out a Z but why didn't they produce a fully articulating view screen? There are no buttons to the left of the screen so it's reasonable to assume it could be made to swivel out like the D5500. the Z6 would be a very good full frame option for video shooters as well as low light still shooters. A vlogger would struggle somee. Ok, this is a first world problem isn't it? ;)
these adaptors are slow to respond AF (on Sony and others and eventually people have to buy native lens. Nikon can not be exceptional (especilly when it is legging in technology by 4-5 years).
So, Caleb. It's Oct. 11th. Where's the footage from the Z6 you ordered?
When I saw those specs I immediately thought Caleb Pike is going to get that camera and be really excited about it. Looking forward to seeing that content. I am really excited about this camera as what is signals we might have in store from Canon.
The sample footage using NLog looked a bit yellow to me. I'm excited to see more footage. But I ultimately held off getting this one because I assumed if Nikon can do 10bit out, I'm pretty sure we will see the a7S III do it as well (if not internal, as well).
Also, the DR is 12-stop, same as GH5(s)/V-Log L, while the Sony/S-Log can retain much more information.
Subscribed done. So refreshing to hear you talking about some positives, Nikon may have missed the mark for some, you knowing the saying, all the people all the time. I think they have earned the right to some respect and the grant of peoples time to get to use and know this new equipment.
Loved this video Caleb! I'm a Nikon native shooter (it's a Judd family thing) and have been dying for something smaller than my Ursa for run & gunning. I LOVE Nikon color science and have always wondered why they haven't competed with the Canon C-series cinema cameras. One can hope.
did I hear right that it has timecode too?
Really great points, Caleb! It makes me wonder if the new Canon Mirrorless or the A7siii will try to give attempt 10bit 4k... maybe even internally, or USB C out...
Excellent observations. Thanks. I wasn't researching this but I just had a sneaky suspicion there was more to it.
Looking forward to seeing what you can do with the Nikon Z6.
I am more interested to see how some of my older Nikkor lenses are going to stand out with the 5 axis ibis.
Great run down here on the advantages of the new cameras and a real honest look at why these new cameras are truly exciting for Nikon shooters, I too will certainly be after a Z6 for youtube and video work and with the ability to use all those awesome AIS manual lenses for Nikon ( as so many have rated for video work in the past) it should be a sweet little system to work with! Looking forward to more of your thoughts on the new cameras! Cheers, Tom
finally someone that isnt all negative about something new; that all you hear now days is negative about something new that is coming out and how it should have been made their way; i have actually unsubscribed to a few of them because of always being negative
On point! All these chatter about having 1 card is overrated. 1 xqd card works for me. I can’t wait!
As ever, you are always thoughtful and intelligent with your posts.
Totally agree with you about the colour science and especially 10bit (12bit with upcoming raw!) 4k...comparable competition from Sony and Canon just cannot match the quality of the output from the Z6. Concerned it could be a Betamax vs Vhs situation though. In general, people put other factors ahead of image quality when assessing a product. Sure, other factors are important, but if you are serious about your cinematography, don't you wan't the best image quality possible? Also, I like how Nikon has made a mirrorless full frame for the cinematography market. It shows a potential way forward for them when DSLR's eventually die and are fully replaced by mirrorless. (for my money the same goes for bull*** crop sensor anything!)
Still waiting on the Canon FF mirrorless but thanks for digging beneath the surface showing the TRUE value of the camera. BTW - I would wager that there wedding photogs only represent a small portion of an overall market. I'm sure they're significant but I'd love to see the stats. I'm sure Nikon marketers looked at this.
The one and only thing that keeps me from buying the z6 right off the bat is i cannot use it professionally because it only has one card slot, im waiting to find out info on the grip if the grip coming out has a second card slot im all in. If it doesnt I might end up waiting for the next generation and hoping for something better.
GlitchLife it’s XQD. Not SD. Good luck getting an XQD to fail.
To be honest I wasn’t expecting much from Nikon but they really stepped up there game. I’m really happy what they can out with. Can’t wait for Canon’s reaction.
THANK YOU! Finally, someone of credibility is observing the same finer features of the Z6 that I see. Looking forward with excitement to your hands-on tests. Thanks again. (Finger on the order trigger.)
AGREED. The only REWIRED review make sense. Great
Great video! I’m a Nikon fan boy and shooter but had followed the crowd and dismissed the Zs; your video makes some great points.
What I'm glad about is that Nikon stepping their game up to Sony is that they're both gonna start battling. And that just means more good stuff down the line for the end user.
I own a Canon T5i and for the relatively cheap cost of it, I've been very happy with it as a camera. Canon makes some great glass at affordable prices on the low to mid price points. Nonetheless, I'm very happy that Nikon is taking (relatively) affordable cinema-grade 4K at a price point just above the prosumer models. As a Canon owner, I'm not enthused the Canon M50 has a crazy crop factor. I'd be willing to pay a little bit more for a better Canon 4k camera for vlogging or cinema shooting, but Canon (at least at this point in time) seems interested in protecting their far pricier options. Whether it is Canon, Nikon, Sony or some other brand, I welcome whatever competition we get in this space, as it should hopefully force the other vendors to start innovating more in the mid price tiers, offering more quality for creators at prices that are more affordable for the masses. Is there any way to mount my existing Canon glass with an adapter to a Nikon Z6? That would make it a very compelling option for those of us already heavily invested in Canon lenses. Great video Caleb!