3:50 In reality, the Budyonny would have blown her own stern off by reversing over a depth charge pattern. There was a reason ships dropped patterns at speed.
@@iron_side5674 there are positive and negative sides to this. As players enjoy 200°C turrets from HE spam as well as CV slingshot drops. You win some, you lose some.
As a real sailor who serve in the navy..in real life the most time consume and boring task is ASW, mapping and mine sweeping.. but in these game it literally lit..will try it
@@Kwaj true but they would also have long underwater endurance and battery life span since they were designed for prolonged underwater cruise. Its air group would likely be a consumable with some limited controls perhaps it is most likely going to be high tier premium since it's one of a more rare classes of subs only three were completed. Its 8 forward torpedo tubes is something you wouldnt want to mess with but it's vulnerable aft would be the target of the destroyers. In game it would probably be of limited use by most players since the aft firing subs have more offensive flexibility hence they would initially be the meta What I am wait for Japanese subs are the type B kaiten Carrier (kamikaze) subs
@@ousou78 that's probably going to be another premium sub. Main gun battery with limited traverse, slow dive speed (yes this was a historical flaw), 4 forward fixed torpedo tubes and two sets of swiveling external torpedo launchers. the four forward tubes would work on the same way as other submarines in game would fire but the aft torpedo launchers afaik were fired only when surfaced, and would work the same way as other surface ships does in game. The main guns are probably quite inaccurate (historical flaw) it's unique consumable is being able to launch a seaplane for spotting.
A few things, First of all, i guess depth charges are mini nukes since even if you drop em 100m away from the sub they will still damage it badly and its next to impossible to dodge since in order to go to any depth below 50m you need to use a consumable. Now i guess the submarine is basically a living organism that has to consume spinach like fucking Popeye to gain strength to exceed that 50m depth else i have no idea what they are thinking. Speaking about that either WG has invented WW2 proximity fuse depth charges or the ships have the best, most hardened veterans on them judging by how easy it is to determine and set the detonation depth for the charges. Secondly, WG takes the concept of submarines and murders it so it can fit that RNG arcade system they have build their game around. A submarine's lifeline is stealth, the ability to hide and attack when no one expects it. If stealth is compromised then the only thing a sub could do back then was dive and i mean dive not float a few meters below periscope depth. Thirdly, apparently its cooler to shoot HEAT rockets or drop bombs to a submerged target rather than actually drop depth charges from planes. I wont question the physics behind that as Im sure some genius will say that its possible, so i will just say that people that were conducting ASW back in WW2 using planes didnt have a clue on how to do it according to WG. P.S. Who the fuck thought that protection ignoring, homing torpedoes like these are a cool idea? To whoever did, how the hell do you still have a job?
Well, about the HEAT rockets and bombs. Im no expert or genius, but I do think it might be semi possible depending on how deep the sub had dived and how much time it takes for the rockets/bombs to aim after contact. I wont say it is impossible, and I wont say it is fully possible. But I do believe it might be possible. I mean water can pre-active the fuse on the shells from the ships. E,g, a ship can still get under water damage by a near miss from a shell depending on how the angle is for the shell the moment it hits the water. I know I had read that the IJN used time to train for that kind of fire from their turrets, as well defending against that on their own ships
Franz StiglerBf I don't like the planned submarine implementation at all either, but from what I've seen so far, subs can utterly crush a team that has been reduced to battleships, and seemingly is doing fairly well against DDs and Cruisers . These decisions are likely for balancing purposes considering that many of these "cool" concepts weren't implemented in the submarine April fools event. It's a question if you can in any good way implement a class that acts like a destroyer in a permanent smoke screen except being extremely slow and can be easily annihilated by depth charge equipped vessels but really nothing else.
Based on the video, the rocket hit the submarine when they're surfacing and bomb could act like depth charge if the fuse are set long enough to let the bomb sink, submarine that in periscope depth will be vulnerable to this and also depth charge doesn't need to hit the submarine directly to damage the submarine, shockwave travel through water are much more lethal, also they set the the depth charge in variably depth ofc if submarine caught in the drop pattern it will met it doom.
I'm not against submarines, actually been waiting for them for long time, figured just be a matter of time before they got in. However I'm looking at these like I did with wheeled vehicles in world of tanks. while a cool and interesting addition......wheelies didn't break the game but they've become pretty decent sized headache. Submarines are looking to be the same. As person who mainly works with battleships, these are going to be bit nasty problem, yeah argue destroyers and cruisers can deal with them but I've rarely ever seen battleships get escorted. 8/10 times end up alone and anyone who is with isn't there to support just happened be going same way. As for he shell damage against those, 9/10 times ap or he fired from a battleship into a destroyer is useless, just doesn't do damage, not gonna be any better with submarines. Think 8 two ton ap shells smashing into the hull would turn a destroyer into swiss cheese, never does, never. There is already usually a constant mess of torpedoes in the water, having 4 destroyers and 2 carriers targeting you alone because you are alone sucks, I've been destroyed and sunk before even being able leave base, destroyers rushed, my ship is slow giant by time torpedoes came up on screen didn't even have speed to try and turn. Now there are submarines to add to it. Welp bring on the subs! Just another thing that can get by you drop torpedoes and chances are never gonna be able spot it anyway. I've watched some of your gameplay, yeah the "targets torpedo protection is ignored" , yeah no, for me that's big NO, that's just gonna be infuriating as a player that sentence alone is my biggest issue with subs currently, single group of torpedoes can already cripple or outright destroy a battleship instantly and that's with protection. Getting nailed by torpedoes that ignore all protection? NOPE. Either way, thanks Toptier for releasing these videos, have some idea what's coming, hard say whether it's another problematic thing that will prevent me from returning or incentive bait for something new to return to play, most likely be 1st option knowing how wg does things. Have a good day Toptier should you see this much less read thru it to this point!
Yeah I've tried playing battleships recently and omg the pain of being so slow there is like no point in trying to turn when you see a swamp of torpedoes heading your way. I also get annoyed nobody escorts which I'm hoping is only a problem at lower tiers cus it just gets old seeing cruisers get wiped out by a bb salvo in the citadel early in the match. I'm hoping that the subs in this game will fill more of a supportive infiltrative role rather then the light assualt of the destroyer. It be nice if they gave bb and cv defenses like noisemaker consumables which they can use if someone spots a sub sneaking up on them for them. Also make subs have to surface to dumbfire torps so that way they will be punished for trying to attack bb/cv with noisemaker instead of trying to restealth. I support subs despite not being too interested to play them I just hope wargaming makes them balanced and fun along with filling the risky niche of the infiltative operator.
Maybe there will be a change with the playerbase. I mean after the whole arrier Messup it needed a while but people start to get the idea of escorting other players. Maybe the sub is another way og WG to educate the player to escort each other (or at least I hope so) It would be pretty nice if everybody adapted the concept of escorting. it could give the Game a new depth. Edit: Considering how WG "helps" new playwers with non existing tutorials, tactic guides or else I don't think it will improve anyhow. (Comparing to the guides in WoT, Wows is a empty service dessert
I think that CVs should have a harder time attacking subs. Rockets really don't make sense in an ASW attack and at least forcing the CV captain to order that the bombers have depth charges loaded before take off would make the weigh the options of attacking surface targets vs attacking subs.
as for now, nothing you can do as CV and BB, also the cruiser who carry DP is limited to Rianda, Dallas, Budyonny, and Perth. all the job for hunting SS is depend on your DD and if your DD die on first match you almost 100% dead.. I hope they add at least a tool for BB, CV, and CA to counter SS like Submarine spotting plane as PBY Catalina or Kolibri. aircraft squadron who can carry deep charge, also for some cruiser who have radio accoustic consumable can came in handy to find SS but can't be use to kill them. just avoid their torp becase small chance that SS gonna resurface for recharging remembering they can recharge underwater just by standing still or go on 1/4 cruising speed
I think CVs are very advantageous against submarines. Because when the submarine rises above sea level, CV can destroy them instantly. Submarines under the sea are very slow, and the CV can easily get away from them. CVs with deep charge can be OP, they can destroy submarines in the first minute of the game. BBs are desperate against submarines.
@@ttier I don´t think so. all the sub has to do is dip below 6m and the plane warning comes so early, you will rarely find a sub dumb enough to stay surfaced.. In a situation where the sub is close enough to the CV there´s nothing much to do. if he knows what he´s doing he´ll approach undetected, surface, send 4 torps, dive under the CV, surface again and send two more from the rear. good luck getting your planes ready and catch him in the few seconds he´s above 6m. I was only able to try this on 2 cvs, one stationary and one moving and i´d say in a pvp match this will not happen too often but still this tactic on BB or CV doesn´t leave much room for defense.
Every ship needs a way to deal with submerged subs, IMO. Otherwise, we'll end up with games where's it's a couple subs left on one side and the other is completely unable to touch them unless they surface.
As history only CV, DD CL can counter SS. Only some BB have plane hunt SS like warspite. Of course have plane for detect SS on BB and CA but they don't have depth charge. I can say good luck for solo warrior
Anyone else watching the poor submarine get fired at from all angles/ dive bombed imagining the captain on the tower screaming “Schnella!!!!!” Let’s just hope they make it to the African coast
That moment you've not played sense the CV rework and suddenly see subs. Time to DL it again and bust my DDs out and go huntin boys. *Edit also, really wish they made their icon more of a cylinder, looks too much like a DDs icon to me.
I can't help but think thos depth charges have too much range. You dropped a few behind you, whilst the enemy sub was 0.5-0.9 kilometers away, and still you hit. I don't pretend to know how ASW works or say it should only work by hitting them dead on, but shouldn't the effective range be smaller?
Yeah I kinda noticed that the second an enemy ship gets above you in a sub you're fucked. I mean rightfully so you're slower and just got yourself in an extremely bad position. But like even if you used your consumables and dive to the deepest depths to disappear, when you come up to normal level again you get spotted, the guy who was dropping charges on you isn't too far away, spots you again and finishes you off
I'm just hoping that they make british carriers the best ships at anti submarine warfare, that would pretty much sum up their approach to historical accuracuracy
apparently you never been around side the CV rework so let me catch you up: ODD tiered carriers have been removed and the Taiho was in the game but was removed because it was an ODD tiered carrier the only odd tier carrier that technically still exists is the Ranger but it replaced the Independence which was the original tier VI carrier in the US because of unknown reasons the devs decided to do that XD
im convinced that asw is already well balanced in the game in all ways except for one. battleships, especially slow pigs like fuso, have no hopes of survival with subs in a game. they should do some type of anti submarine second battery focus consumable or something if they dont just want subs to peak up in front of BBs every game and ruin it. either that or destroyers and cruisers have to start doing serious escort work, but ive long lost hope of teamplay being focused in this game since its just an arcade game
They need to either give BBs depth charges or nerf cruiser HE spam. I want there to be something in the game that BBs counter, rn it feels like thats not the case, at least not to the same degree that CAs counter DDs or DDs counter BBs. I'd rather nerf HE spam because submarines were a big threat to battleships IRL, as battleships historically did not carry depth charges or if they did it was only a small number for last ditch self-defense rather than dedicated ASW. I think having submarines would allow battleships to have buffed surface warfare capabilities without becoming OP, and all in all would make the game more realistic and its gameplay more diverse. But either way something's gotta give, introducing subs without either giving BBs a way to counter them or strengthening them against cruisers will make BBs no fun to play. I single out cruisers/HE spam because I feel battleships are well balanced relative to carriers and DDs as the game currently is (if anything carriers are a little UP but that's an entirely different discussion).
Interesting video. I was wondering why players were using CV's in sub matches. Also, it is nice they added some depth charges to some of the cruisers. However, how the heck did you get a VT-61?! That wasn't available when I launched the lasted test server.
WG should have it where if a submarine has a fire or flood, they need to surface to have the DoT timer to start and Repair party will still be able to work underwater
Flooding under water would just require an adjustment of pressure so that the water can be pumped out, which could be done by reducing depth, surface is optimal but the pumps would still work on shallow depths. Fire perhaps since they can't easily be sealed off. But oxygen amount in a submarine could be controlled to a lower non lethal level which allows for an ease of fire fighting, though risky. Surfacing should just make repairs faster not a requirement
It's coming in the next update I think. This is from the _public test server._ You can join if you want, but it requires you to make a new account for this server and to install and download a separate set of game files.
lol, because DDs aren't usually the first to die, because of massive DD counter measures, let alone CVs spotting and deleting them and now even another class, that can easily outspot them and cannot be dealt with, unless the DD gets into very close range with it, which is literally a death sentence, because the DD needs to get very exposed to deal with it and unlike the DD, the SUB can just submerge and hide until the threat is gone. I assume you don't play DDs or you don't have much experience with this game, as the bigger Community Contributors all agree, that Subs will break the game balance... like the game balance isn't broken anyway unrepairably since the CV "rework" and more and more imaginary russian bias ships entering the scene.
You obviously haven't played the game in a while, because right now most DDs are swedish and they refuse to cap or spot because of lack of smoke, so the just sit BEHIND YOU to farm damage. Same with russian DDs, they just sit behind and farm.
@@whitesupreme6638 lol, QED, you don't have a clue. Russian DDs aren't supposed to contest caps, especially not the Khaba, she is a dedicated gunboat. They take support roles at best. And yea, if you don't have smoke, you usually don't contest caps in a DD, so ofc a swedish DD wont cap, only if there are no threats. If you see Swedish DDs doing only the dakka, that is exactly what they are supposed to do, because they are gunboats, maybe scouting, since their concealment is okay, but definetly not capping, since getting caught in the open, while being stationary, without a smoke gets you usually deleted pretty quickly in a DD.
Gulaschiltis Män you haven’t played post 0.9 have you DDs are broken but they still do not cap or do literally shit that’s not damage farming honestly stop trying to have your buffed enough ships buffed CLs are the ones doing your guys job and there not complaining despite BBs being able to one shot them with the 18in WG spam, Prem CAs that can destroy them in seconds, DDs putting DD jobs onto them, and now subs
@@incainca9440 lol, yea, because most people aren't playing DDs as intended means they are broken. I agree that they are broken, they are so bad, they aren't even slightly played as much as they used to. It's by far the hardest class to play, if you are doing it as intended. And I play all, except for post rework CVs 8k + games played and yes I did play post 0.9 just recently
Reload time for depth charges is unrealistic. Drop patterns off racks. Or you fire from pots that need to be reloaded. A key with 9 sec reload is laughable.
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3:50 In reality, the Budyonny would have blown her own stern off by reversing over a depth charge pattern. There was a reason ships dropped patterns at speed.
There is also a reason Games are Games.
@@iron_side5674 there are positive and negative sides to this. As players enjoy 200°C turrets from HE spam as well as CV slingshot drops. You win some, you lose some.
@@b-spiral8314 They removed Slingshot Dropping. The boost is still there, but the damage immunity is not
@@b-spiral8314 200°C... Really hot indeed, melting turrets and stuff
@@kr4ftt actually, what's the melting point of steel?
As a real sailor who serve in the navy..in real life the most time consume and boring task is ASW, mapping and mine sweeping.. but in these game it literally lit..will try it
what country?
@@clash3583 malaysia
You come back from work to do the exact same thing, but cooler
bossku, submariner?
Nice to see a fellow Malaysian,terima kasih kerana berkhidmat!
Submarine :*Surfaces*
Entire team: ~insert you are already dead meme~
*Coffin dance meme*
*To be continued meme*
I can't imagine how the game would be if I-400 (Japanese submarine aircraft carrier) is in the game
@@Kwaj it is RNG >real history XD
@@Kwaj true but they would also have long underwater endurance and battery life span since they were designed for prolonged underwater cruise. Its air group would likely be a consumable with some limited controls perhaps it is most likely going to be high tier premium since it's one of a more rare classes of subs only three were completed.
Its 8 forward torpedo tubes is something you wouldnt want to mess with but it's vulnerable aft would be the target of the destroyers.
In game it would probably be of limited use by most players since the aft firing subs have more offensive flexibility hence they would initially be the meta
What I am wait for Japanese subs are the type B kaiten Carrier (kamikaze) subs
T10 ijn sub maybe prolly not I hope so tho cause that would be fun
There is also the French sub Surcouf which use 200mm+ canons.
@@ousou78 that's probably going to be another premium sub.
Main gun battery with limited traverse, slow dive speed (yes this was a historical flaw), 4 forward fixed torpedo tubes and two sets of swiveling external torpedo launchers.
the four forward tubes would work on the same way as other submarines in game would fire but the aft torpedo launchers afaik were fired only when surfaced, and would work the same way as other surface ships does in game.
The main guns are probably quite inaccurate (historical flaw)
it's unique consumable is being able to launch a seaplane for spotting.
BB : yeah" i know I'm obsolete
So as you can see there is no anti-submarine warfare for linear ships. A brand new recipe of a torpedo soup from our chief Lesta. Bon appetito!
A few things,
First of all, i guess depth charges are mini nukes since even if you drop em 100m away from the sub they will still damage it badly and its next to impossible to dodge since in order to go to any depth below 50m you need to use a consumable. Now i guess the submarine is basically a living organism that has to consume spinach like fucking Popeye to gain strength to exceed that 50m depth else i have no idea what they are thinking.
Speaking about that either WG has invented WW2 proximity fuse depth charges or the ships have the best, most hardened veterans on them judging by how easy it is to determine and set the detonation depth for the charges.
Secondly, WG takes the concept of submarines and murders it so it can fit that RNG arcade system they have build their game around. A submarine's lifeline is stealth, the ability to hide and attack when no one expects it. If stealth is compromised then the only thing a sub could do back then was dive and i mean dive not float a few meters below periscope depth.
Thirdly, apparently its cooler to shoot HEAT rockets or drop bombs to a submerged target rather than actually drop depth charges from planes.
I wont question the physics behind that as Im sure some genius will say that its possible, so i will just say that people that were conducting ASW back in WW2 using planes didnt have a clue on how to do it according to WG.
P.S. Who the fuck thought that protection ignoring, homing torpedoes like these are a cool idea? To whoever did, how the hell do you still have a job?
Well, about the HEAT rockets and bombs. Im no expert or genius, but I do think it might be semi possible depending on how deep the sub had dived and how much time it takes for the rockets/bombs to aim after contact. I wont say it is impossible, and I wont say it is fully possible. But I do believe it might be possible. I mean water can pre-active the fuse on the shells from the ships. E,g, a ship can still get under water damage by a near miss from a shell depending on how the angle is for the shell the moment it hits the water. I know I had read that the IJN used time to train for that kind of fire from their turrets, as well defending against that on their own ships
It‘s a game with Paper Designs in it, if you want sth realistic you‘re gonna have to wait until War Thunder adds Subs
Franz StiglerBf I don't like the planned submarine implementation at all either, but from what I've seen so far, subs can utterly crush a team that has been reduced to battleships, and seemingly is doing fairly well against DDs and Cruisers . These decisions are likely for balancing purposes considering that many of these "cool" concepts weren't implemented in the submarine April fools event.
It's a question if you can in any good way implement a class that acts like a destroyer in a permanent smoke screen except being extremely slow and can be easily annihilated by depth charge equipped vessels but really nothing else.
Based on the video, the rocket hit the submarine when they're surfacing and bomb could act like depth charge if the fuse are set long enough to let the bomb sink, submarine that in periscope depth will be vulnerable to this and also depth charge doesn't need to hit the submarine directly to damage the submarine, shockwave travel through water are much more lethal, also they set the the depth charge in variably depth ofc if submarine caught in the drop pattern it will met it doom.
I'm not against submarines, actually been waiting for them for long time, figured just be a matter of time before they got in. However I'm looking at these like I did with wheeled vehicles in world of tanks. while a cool and interesting addition......wheelies didn't break the game but they've become pretty decent sized headache. Submarines are looking to be the same. As person who mainly works with battleships, these are going to be bit nasty problem, yeah argue destroyers and cruisers can deal with them but I've rarely ever seen battleships get escorted. 8/10 times end up alone and anyone who is with isn't there to support just happened be going same way. As for he shell damage against those, 9/10 times ap or he fired from a battleship into a destroyer is useless, just doesn't do damage, not gonna be any better with submarines. Think 8 two ton ap shells smashing into the hull would turn a destroyer into swiss cheese, never does, never. There is already usually a constant mess of torpedoes in the water, having 4 destroyers and 2 carriers targeting you alone because you are alone sucks, I've been destroyed and sunk before even being able leave base, destroyers rushed, my ship is slow giant by time torpedoes came up on screen didn't even have speed to try and turn. Now there are submarines to add to it. Welp bring on the subs! Just another thing that can get by you drop torpedoes and chances are never gonna be able spot it anyway. I've watched some of your gameplay, yeah the "targets torpedo protection is ignored" , yeah no, for me that's big NO, that's just gonna be infuriating as a player that sentence alone is my biggest issue with subs currently, single group of torpedoes can already cripple or outright destroy a battleship instantly and that's with protection. Getting nailed by torpedoes that ignore all protection? NOPE. Either way, thanks Toptier for releasing these videos, have some idea what's coming, hard say whether it's another problematic thing that will prevent me from returning or incentive bait for something new to return to play, most likely be 1st option knowing how wg does things. Have a good day Toptier should you see this much less read thru it to this point!
im not reading that
Yeah I've tried playing battleships recently and omg the pain of being so slow there is like no point in trying to turn when you see a swamp of torpedoes heading your way. I also get annoyed nobody escorts which I'm hoping is only a problem at lower tiers cus it just gets old seeing cruisers get wiped out by a bb salvo in the citadel early in the match. I'm hoping that the subs in this game will fill more of a supportive infiltrative role rather then the light assualt of the destroyer. It be nice if they gave bb and cv defenses like noisemaker consumables which they can use if someone spots a sub sneaking up on them for them. Also make subs have to surface to dumbfire torps so that way they will be punished for trying to attack bb/cv with noisemaker instead of trying to restealth. I support subs despite not being too interested to play them I just hope wargaming makes them balanced and fun along with filling the risky niche of the infiltative operator.
Maybe there will be a change with the playerbase. I mean after the whole arrier Messup it needed a while but people start to get the idea of escorting other players. Maybe the sub is another way og WG to educate the player to escort each other (or at least I hope so)
It would be pretty nice if everybody adapted the concept of escorting. it could give the Game a new depth.
Edit: Considering how WG "helps" new playwers with non existing tutorials, tactic guides or else I don't think it will improve anyhow. (Comparing to the guides in WoT, Wows is a empty service dessert
Have you tried finding another BB to sail around with? Cruisers zooming off to go die alone is certainly a problem.
7:00 these are moments that are very aesthetic, something like an escort squad hunting down a sub
0:59 SATISFACTION!!!
I was the ennemy carrier in the battle of the buydony "teivadrien"
I think that CVs should have a harder time attacking subs. Rockets really don't make sense in an ASW attack and at least forcing the CV captain to order that the bombers have depth charges loaded before take off would make the weigh the options of attacking surface targets vs attacking subs.
AP shells have a timer, they explode underwater, HE shells explode on contact with water
as for now, nothing you can do as CV and BB, also the cruiser who carry DP is limited to Rianda, Dallas, Budyonny, and Perth. all the job for hunting SS is depend on your DD and if your DD die on first match you almost 100% dead.. I hope they add at least a tool for BB, CV, and CA to counter SS like Submarine spotting plane as PBY Catalina or Kolibri. aircraft squadron who can carry deep charge, also for some cruiser who have radio accoustic consumable can came in handy to find SS but can't be use to kill them. just avoid their torp becase small chance that SS gonna resurface for recharging remembering they can recharge underwater just by standing still or go on 1/4 cruising speed
I think CVs are very advantageous against submarines. Because when the submarine rises above sea level, CV can destroy them instantly. Submarines under the sea are very slow, and the CV can easily get away from them.
CVs with deep charge can be OP, they can destroy submarines in the first minute of the game.
BBs are desperate against submarines.
in the real life bb's are not designed to hunt submarines
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so BB absolutely can't sink a submarine
@@ttier I don´t think so. all the sub has to do is dip below 6m and the plane warning comes so early, you will rarely find a sub dumb enough to stay surfaced.. In a situation where the sub is close enough to the CV there´s nothing much to do. if he knows what he´s doing he´ll approach undetected, surface, send 4 torps, dive under the CV, surface again and send two more from the rear.
good luck getting your planes ready and catch him in the few seconds he´s above 6m.
I was only able to try this on 2 cvs, one stationary and one moving and i´d say in a pvp match this will not happen too often but still this tactic on BB or CV doesn´t leave much room for defense.
you can watch this video, submarines could do nothing but hide under water.
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Btw, I think I heard that submarines could also lay mines.
Every ship needs a way to deal with submerged subs, IMO. Otherwise, we'll end up with games where's it's a couple subs left on one side and the other is completely unable to touch them unless they surface.
As history only CV, DD CL can counter SS. Only some BB have plane hunt SS like warspite. Of course have plane for detect SS on BB and CA but they don't have depth charge. I can say good luck for solo warrior
@@maryceleste_aghost Most BBs and CAs carried floatplanes that could be equipped with depth charges.
Anyone else watching the poor submarine get fired at from all angles/ dive bombed imagining the captain on the tower screaming “Schnella!!!!!”
Let’s just hope they make it to the African coast
That moment you've not played sense the CV rework and suddenly see subs.
Time to DL it again and bust my DDs out and go huntin boys.
*Edit also, really wish they made their icon more of a cylinder, looks too much like a DDs icon to me.
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Sub is the new dd for CV
So basically BB's are screwed in 1v1 sitations against a sub !!!!
Well German BB may suffer less, at least they can use the hydrosonic search but subs still have a Great advantage
If WG introduce Japanese subs the Game will be Crazy because Some Japanese Subs is able launch aircraft like I-400
@@animalboosted129 aircraft is kinda useless. But I-200s class is like type XXI uboat
This will stop BBs from rushing alone. Actually nevermind, they will keep going yolo solo.
then learn how to counter
1:05 nice.
Amazing job men
New subs i like ur vid with text description,maybe u can use mic to explain.
When will the asia server have submarine
Wait, can you test how british light cruisers will work with regards to their guns?
I can't help but think thos depth charges have too much range. You dropped a few behind you, whilst the enemy sub was 0.5-0.9 kilometers away, and still you hit. I don't pretend to know how ASW works or say it should only work by hitting them dead on, but shouldn't the effective range be smaller?
Is that how CV anti sub in real life like that too?
No they used depth charges but it's not in the game yet
CV use plane carry depth charge, but if if SS on surface they can use bomb for kill it
Wait did they add them
Yeah I kinda noticed that the second an enemy ship gets above you in a sub you're fucked. I mean rightfully so you're slower and just got yourself in an extremely bad position. But like even if you used your consumables and dive to the deepest depths to disappear, when you come up to normal level again you get spotted, the guy who was dropping charges on you isn't too far away, spots you again and finishes you off
I'm just hoping that they make british carriers the best ships at anti submarine warfare, that would pretty much sum up their approach to historical accuracuracy
That would parhaps actually make them viable
When will they add Taiho?
apparently you never been around side the CV rework so let me catch you up: ODD tiered carriers have been removed and the Taiho was in the game but was removed because it was an ODD tiered carrier the only odd tier carrier that technically still exists is the Ranger but it replaced the Independence which was the original tier VI carrier in the US because of unknown reasons the devs decided to do that XD
im convinced that asw is already well balanced in the game in all ways except for one.
battleships, especially slow pigs like fuso, have no hopes of survival with subs in a game.
they should do some type of anti submarine second battery focus consumable or something if they dont just want subs to peak up in front of BBs every game and ruin it.
either that or destroyers and cruisers have to start doing serious escort work, but ive long lost hope of teamplay being focused in this game since its just an arcade game
this make it look so easy, but it only works if the submarine is 5meters under water or higher, so submarines can flee very quick, cant they?
Noice
As i was expecting, this is literally the easiest class to balance
Id laugh if they give the Japanese Destroyers their ASW rounds :D
Yeah they said they won't give it to ships who didn't have depth charges in the first place
Are sub have unlimited O2 or not?
it's now battery life so if they run out they have to surface or slow down 1/4 speed to use less battery
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They need to either give BBs depth charges or nerf cruiser HE spam. I want there to be something in the game that BBs counter, rn it feels like thats not the case, at least not to the same degree that CAs counter DDs or DDs counter BBs. I'd rather nerf HE spam because submarines were a big threat to battleships IRL, as battleships historically did not carry depth charges or if they did it was only a small number for last ditch self-defense rather than dedicated ASW. I think having submarines would allow battleships to have buffed surface warfare capabilities without becoming OP, and all in all would make the game more realistic and its gameplay more diverse. But either way something's gotta give, introducing subs without either giving BBs a way to counter them or strengthening them against cruisers will make BBs no fun to play. I single out cruisers/HE spam because I feel battleships are well balanced relative to carriers and DDs as the game currently is (if anything carriers are a little UP but that's an entirely different discussion).
BB's got depth charge airstrike
Bogue and Chaser as premium tier 6 CV
Anti Submarine without Bogue class is wasted
HOW I CAN GET SUBMARINE!!!! PLEASE HELP
Yes
Blue steel(anime) BB can destoryed submarie
Supergravity cannon fire!
K first thought is DDs need hedgehogs ASAP
Hey Toptier, can you take a request? RN carpet bombers and Ark Royal bombers against subs?
I think the test server is off, I will do my best when it is turned on again.
I know DD is good sub hunter better than light cruiser
Submarine already global ?
Interesting video.
I was wondering why players were using CV's in sub matches.
Also, it is nice they added some depth charges to some of the cruisers.
However, how the heck did you get a VT-61?! That wasn't available when I launched the lasted test server.
WG should have it where if a submarine has a fire or flood, they need to surface to have the DoT timer to start and Repair party will still be able to work underwater
Flooding under water would just require an adjustment of pressure so that the water can be pumped out, which could be done by reducing depth, surface is optimal but the pumps would still work on shallow depths.
Fire perhaps since they can't easily be sealed off. But oxygen amount in a submarine could be controlled to a lower non lethal level which allows for an ease of fire fighting, though risky.
Surfacing should just make repairs faster not a requirement
One question : how can we play in this game mode ? I wanna try the subs
It's coming in the next update I think. This is from the _public test server._ You can join if you want, but it requires you to make a new account for this server and to install and download a separate set of game files.
There is the proof the subs are won't hard to hunt
As a BB stay behind DDs, CLs and you wont be a sub target easy
Edit: don't rush in the objective
lol, because DDs aren't usually the first to die, because of massive DD counter measures, let alone CVs spotting and deleting them and now even another class, that can easily outspot them and cannot be dealt with, unless the DD gets into very close range with it, which is literally a death sentence, because the DD needs to get very exposed to deal with it and unlike the DD, the SUB can just submerge and hide until the threat is gone. I assume you don't play DDs or you don't have much experience with this game, as the bigger Community Contributors all agree, that Subs will break the game balance... like the game balance isn't broken anyway unrepairably since the CV "rework" and more and more imaginary russian bias ships entering the scene.
You obviously haven't played the game in a while, because right now most DDs are swedish and they refuse to cap or spot because of lack of smoke, so the just sit BEHIND YOU to farm damage. Same with russian DDs, they just sit behind and farm.
@@whitesupreme6638 lol, QED, you don't have a clue. Russian DDs aren't supposed to contest caps, especially not the Khaba, she is a dedicated gunboat. They take support roles at best. And yea, if you don't have smoke, you usually don't contest caps in a DD, so ofc a swedish DD wont cap, only if there are no threats. If you see Swedish DDs doing only the dakka, that is exactly what they are supposed to do, because they are gunboats, maybe scouting, since their concealment is okay, but definetly not capping, since getting caught in the open, while being stationary, without a smoke gets you usually deleted pretty quickly in a DD.
Gulaschiltis Män you haven’t played post 0.9 have you DDs are broken but they still do not cap or do literally shit that’s not damage farming honestly stop trying to have your buffed enough ships buffed CLs are the ones doing your guys job and there not complaining despite BBs being able to one shot them with the 18in WG spam, Prem CAs that can destroy them in seconds, DDs putting DD jobs onto them, and now subs
@@incainca9440 lol, yea, because most people aren't playing DDs as intended means they are broken. I agree that they are broken, they are so bad, they aren't even slightly played as much as they used to. It's by far the hardest class to play, if you are doing it as intended. And I play all, except for post rework CVs 8k + games played and yes I did play post 0.9 just recently
Why not just give everyone depth charges?
Because it would be useless a BB will already be dead if it's close to sub
What game is this?
World of Warships
So battleship are desperate against sub
bb´s arent supposed to fight subs anyway.
if one gets spotted on the map just call a dd in to take care of it.
As soon as subs are added to the game I am deleting it.
I can't use submarines because I'm still at the 0.93.
It's still beta
You can use them in the PTS
Seems pretty easy, idk what everyone is whining about them for
The first*
Considering that i play the game in mobile this feature wouldnt come out im sure of it.
Many also say that this is not so good of a game feature.
Hms flower would do better job.
Covetter.
Reload time for depth charges is unrealistic. Drop patterns off racks. Or you fire from pots that need to be reloaded. A key with 9 sec reload is laughable.
How is POSSIBLE TO PLAY WITH subs??? Never saw them...
British bomber are better for hunting submarines.
No they are not because you have to react quickly against submarines. Carpet bombs are falling very slowly.
Yeah, reverse over your own depth charges 🙄
This flat earth game is shiiiit
Matvei I Idiot
Asw Is a bad word for indonesian XD And you just did