Swedish Union IF Metall FURIOUS after Tesla sales skyrocket
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I’m pro union but, they have to be wanted by the employees. If employees are receiving competitive salaries and benefits without a union, then there’s no need for them.
Yes because if a company pays better than other companies with union. Then it does not really need a union. Also Unions can destroy markets. See: Detroit.
Same nonsense like those "I am not a racist, but..." racists. Cope with it: you and your questionable country have ZERO say in Sweden.
Your country is drenched with unemployed and homeless and people self-educating as well as without social security and healthcare.
Sweden: not so much.
@@HermanWillemsDetroit went down because they couldn't compete and lost against Asia and Europe...because the companies didn't want to change their ways of production.
@@HermanWillemsRemember history: Unions can bring down companies through excessive demands. Companies killed and maimed people through greed, neglect and indifference.
Even more disturbing they appear to believe that the ends justify the means somehow meaning that they can lie cheat and leverage people in order to get what they want while denouncing bad corporate behavior. Looks like the teamsters all over again
It’s good to see Tesla stand up to these bullies, well done !.
Years ago IKEA had a similar issue, wood suppliers refused to provide timber unless IKEA raised the prices of their finished goods so Ingvar bought his timber from Poland instead !
"It’s good to see Tesla stand up to these bullies, well done !."
Absolutely.
Yes 👍
wrrrrr
It's a problem when unions are not working for the interests of their members, but for bashing companies that function perfectly without them.
It certainly is.
The problem is the union invested badly in their members retirement trust fund and are looking for other sources of money to try to make up for it. They should be fired.
the company's working right and the worker's as slaves...
In the Nordic countries, more and more people dislike the unions. Their fight was 100 years ago, but today laws protect the workers, even those that are not in a union. So they have out played themselves. I read that of 150 Tesla employees only a handful wanted to join the union and that is not enough to force a company to make a deal with the union. E.g. mechanics are in a huge demand, so they can individually negotiate a much better wage/salary, vacation etc. than they union can offer them, simply because of the competition between repair shops.
yes because thy brain washed young monkey's.
In the UK,we had years of being held to ransome, by unions.Many do more for their executives,then they do for the regular member.
Works the same way here in the US. The membership are fleeced by the leadership.
@@charrin9086 true
Just good advertising by the unions. Just keep mentioning Teslas name and people will do their own research.
Yes
Wow! This is good, people are understanding advertising.
Tesla should thank IF Metall for the free advertising. When the product is superb, all advertising is good advertising.
Amazing response!
Yyyyeah...if the German workers are striking and not making Teslas, then those are CHINESE Teslas being sold.
Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face...
The arrogance and sense of entitlement here is off that scale. The entire population of a country should bend the knee to this union because it can't extort a manufacturer of a popular product to the fullest extent.
Exactly.
The sense of entitlement, Billionaires thinking they do actual real work instead of exploitation.
That is the problem when you give so much power to one union.
You know, Tesla look good in dark cherry red....2:42
At least the *CT* looks good in dark cherry .
Put that skin on the *CT* and no one will ever see the rust spots. 🤔
@icosthop9998
Water spots on paint show up more than the rust on Cybertrucks.
Yes Yes
@ecospider5 L😂L
I gotta give that some thought. 🤔
I think I rather have the water spot.
Its been shown to be rust particles from delivery. Not rusting of the panels.
One major issue is that even in heavily unionized places, unions are pretty unpopular with those that aren't members. They're also unpopular with some of their members as they are forced to join.
Yes, those union dues can be onerous.
The strike made me decide earlier to buy my second Tesla.
Enjoy it fella 👍
Sure you did😅😅😅
Do you hate workers?
That shows people there fed up with union bullshit.
Unions have been on the decline in Sweden for the last decade, but they are still powerful with their mob tactics. Unions are not what they used to be anymore.
I believe what they are doing is called a protection racket in most countries
It seems thats the average business person in Sweden realize how important it is to support freedom of choice.
Tesla does not give the freedom of choice to workers who want collective bargain agreement.
"It seems thats the average business person in Sweden realize how important it is to support freedom of choice."
Not only that. They probably doesn't like the power misuse of the unions.
@@yourcrazybear They are trying to figure out how to reduce the unions power.
The union seems to be using the exact same tactics organized crime uses but when they do it it's legal. If any other business did that it would not be. Imagine if Tesla told a car rental company they would not be able to buy Tesla vehicles or pay a lot more than retail if they hire union workers. Or if they told suppliers they can't make Tesla parts with union labor.
Good point. You should repeat this sentiment on other platforms and as often as you can… the Unions are killing FORD which was already in debt, selling their EVs at a $30k loss each, and having trouble selling their trucks because dealerships are adding crazy high up-charging fees. Ford and GM are in trouble.
It's mafia methods for sure.
Meanwhile they got nothing on CEO's and Billionaire extortionists.
@@Phariseehunteryou need to name names. Billionaires is NOT a collective noun.
@markthomas7279 where do you want to start? Pick an area Oil Vehicles, Banking, Finance, Military, Medical, Pharma etc, etc.
There's no need for policial associated unions when company's employees rejects them.
If the majority of employees don't vote for collective agreements then the union should back off and, perhaps over time, persuade staff to support the idea. The notion that a union (however powerful) terrors some staff to freeze a business with insufficient support among the majority of staff is truly bizarre.
Ohh dear. 😂😂 Carma is so sweet. Keep smiling everyone
Karma.
@@thefish5861 L😂L
There is no change.
I guess he didn't get your memo.
unions were a good thing and necessary to advance the lives of workers, they even built and ran hospitals , however modern day unions have become corrupt and use their power to diminish the workers output for the company while raising the wages of workers to do less work , then they are involved in retirement money that goes missing many times , they should not be able to interfere in non-union companies ability to do business
I'm a paid up union member and believe unions have an important role in fighting for fair wages and conditions. Unfortunately, unions also have a long history of corruption and abuse of power. If workers have good wages and conditions and the majority of them are happy, there's no excuse for them to strike when essentially all they're doing is looking after themselves (union executive). It is certainly totally unacceptable for them to directly harm consumers.
Secondary action is the problem that needs addressing here. Unions should only be able to fight inside the factories and perimeters of the members they represent. Spreading grievances outside of that boundary is the curse of Swedish unions, just like it was in the UK. The chaos it caused resulted in the complete downfall of car manufacturing and the destruction of other businesses such as Coal Mining. Thatcher put an end to excessive Union power, probably the only good thing she did.
@@rogerfroud300 so a bad thing caused some good things, a reduction in ice cars, and the distruction of the coal industry , and now on to even better things, the end of ice powerd vehicles, the end of oil, the end of coal , the end of oil company tyranny, the end of religion, the end of war, ...religion is the insanity of humanity
So here's the thing.... Just decide what's best for you. If they are corrupt don't sign up. If they provide a service to you then pay them. That's kind of how it works in life. YOU decide. But we don't need enforcement. Choice is the only route!
Union thugs, good to watch this play out.
People DON"T like being told what to do !
Unions are there for one reason and one reason only - THEMSELVES !
The Government should rescind that Act that forces companies to join Unions because it is UN-DEMOCRATIC !
Where is the freedom of choice ? ?
Stay safe and FREE !
Stu xx
👊
With 80% of the sales going to businesses, this might be more of a sign of businesses not wanting to be told what to do. If somehow Tesla wins this fight, other businesses in Sweden may be emboldened to stand up to the unions. Unions aren't all bad, just as businesses aren't all good. When a business is telling workers they have no money for raises, but execs are getting them, and making people cancel vacations to keep their jobs then unions come in handy. Those issues can't easily be solved with an attorney or asking your boss nicely, usually.
That said, I'm a Tesla fan and I don't believe every business needs to be unionized. Employees who want to, should be able to unionize or not.
@@phxees When a union is a monopoly on the supply of labor, it's bad.
What is the "Act that forces companies to join Unions", and in which country does this apply?
@@CiaranMcHale In the US we have the 1935 National Labor Relations Act. It doesn't mandate that any particular company has to unionize, but that a company may not forbid its employees from forming or joining a union. It also legalizes collective bargaining by unions, which isn't always good, and can infringe upon personal liberty and freedom of speech.
Tesla's are excellent cars with even better software and even better than the software - a charging network THAT WORKS
It’s not about the employees, it’s about the union and its leaders being threatened.
Hi Sam,
thank you.
It's difficult from someone in Australia some 13 800klms away to comment on a country's buying habits, as regards new EV cars.
However we can draw some comparisons from Australia's motor public's trends.
We have both union and non union factories, which can influence the general public, but living in a democratic society we make essentially our own mind up.
I have friends that hate EV's others that own them, that's normal, but one undeniable fact is sales are doubling each year, also being reflected in Sweden despite union influence.
So as you ask why?
Well perhaps like lemmings we follow each other, Australians want facts from mates they can trust , is this rubbish they are not afraid to tell it as it is even if you've bought one and now embarrassed about a poor decision.
Sweds are finding like Australia the Tesla is a good car, getting better each year, and like mates who own them are confirming this.
Great posts
People vote with wallets. Most reliable indicator there is.
Companies have goals to reduce their C02 emission and by buying EV. they reduce their emissions . Buying a Tesla is a no brainer as anything in the EV market is really an unknown in regards to reliability and depreciation .
The general workforce may be under the heavy-handed control of the Union, and perhaps not the professionals, educators, medical et al.
Free advertising
That’s awesome news 👍👍👍👍👏👏
How is your family? you have not mentioned your wife illness lately. Still praying for you guys.
Unions in Sweden are out of control, just like they were in the UK in the 70's. They need to be brought under control, and only Government legislation can do that.
All publicity is good publicity 😂😂
Most Teslas in Sweden are bought by companies because they are used by the employees as there personal car by leasing with a salary cut of. So it's the private person behind the wheel that made the decision lease a Tesla. There companies are the official owner and buyer of the car.
Thats because that union is acting like crime bosses... It’s way over the top.
the bully community of unions are not to be allowed to intimidate
consumers businesses or Tesla employees or TESLA itself!
It sounds like the best of free advertising for Tesla. The sales mantra, 'All publicity is good publicity' is so often true.
Just a guess, but Sweden up until recently was in thrall to a certain point of view that allowed for no debate or freedom of speech. Given that Tesla's CEO is an avowed free speech absolutist, then such a response may also be in support of such ideas, as well as a rebellion against IF Metall's attempt to block sales.
Where does it say that IF Metall is FURIOUS? Please provide footnote.
To understand the strike you must understand something called “the Swedish model”. Because of this model we do not have “wild strikes” as in many other countries. The union and the company sit down and come to an agreement without any strikes. This serves both companies and employees well. The “kollektivavtal” this is about is something that first of all does not stop the company to give better options to the employees. It is also so that if any employee requests the union to try to get a “kollektivavtal”, the union must try to do that. Most other companies have no problem whatsoever with this. From my own experience working at large companies, Ericsson, HP, Hewlett Packard Enterprise, DXC Technology, all of them have “kollektivavtal “. IF Metall only wants to get a discussion started, they have sent letters and mail to Musk, but he does not respond at all. The strike can continue for years, there is no lack of money. But the union wants to have the conflict solved, and they want Tesla to stay in Sweden.
Many large companies have now decided to stop buying Tesla completely. And 80% of new EV cars are bought by companies. But there are so many good, or better, cars to buy now.
I will not buy a Tesla as long as the conflict is unsolved. It is a big economical risk. But I think I would not buy a Tesla in any case. Right now VW ID.7 Tourer, BYD, or Zeekr are more interesting. I am also waiting on implementation of the new batteries like the ones from CATL.
And yet with IF Metall being beholden to Socialdemokraterna, a staunch incarnation of the establishment uniparty, was it entirely accidental that they decided to initiate the conflict with Musk when they did? Tesla has not ever had a "kollektivavtal" but IF Metall previously let it slid apparently. Was there a request made which IF Metall simply complied with? With there being open season declared on Musk and all that. I just find it hard to believe IF Metall would do anything for their members unless their hand was forced by said members. In this case, did not the initiative for this conflict come from the leadership of IF Metall? Maybe this is a legitimate conflict rather than a hit ordered on Musk. I just would not take it for granted.
I will say this, from now on I will be damn sure anything I buy will not be made in Sweden, period! The years of the unions have passed and it is a shame IF is still running so many companies there.
Sam, has a percentage it looked outstanding, but numbers not so much, similarly in the U.K. the percentage sold looked great against 2023, until you saw the numbers and impact on market share, which was down because overall BEV sales had increased. This week Autocar found a company which to move its Tesla Model 3’s was offering them at £283/month that is cheap, very cheap, given the older contract are over £400/month. On the face of it looks a bargain, particularly because they are now being used has taxes.
the people has spoken and with Tesla their voice are being heard
Yeh Unions affecting your share portfolio much.
I wonder if the companies that are buying Teslas are secretly hoping that Tesla will win and that the union will be weakened as a result, and that they won't have to deal with such a powerful union in the future.
Viking, you have the wrong idea about how we think in Sweden. We are largely in support of Tesla signing the agreement, and we are in support of Tesla cars and Tesla’s mission. Is that so strange?
It is strange because the employees do not want a collective agreement. If they did, then it would be different.
he meant the union individuals not you nor the non-union
@@musk-eteer9898 lost in translation...
@@farmerpete6274The members are on strike bacause they want collective bargain agreement.
Im swedish. Not a fan of collective agreements. It is enforced onto companies in Sweden, not something they really want in most cases.. Companies sign to avoid the blackmail tactics otherwise used by the union which by the way has strong links to the socialdemocratic party. In my opinion this Tesla ”strike” is an striking example of misuse of power from the union. They seem not to care about the workers at Tesla at all, it is just a matter of making a statement. Either you do as the socialdemocrats/ union want or you get in trouble.
No Bad Publicity they got everyone saying Tesla the name everyday
Unions are generally just another company out to make a buck. If a company treats its employees fairly, they don’t need a union. Unions cost more money and creates absolutely ridiculous work rules that don’t allow people to help each other get the job done efficiently and quickly. I worked in a union shop and it was not easy to get the job done!
Unions are about the whole industry, not just Tesla. People should not forget about this fact. If one company pays decent salaries it does not mean that all are doing the same. So it is all about the whole picture, not just one part.
I am normally not in favor of unions. Since I had some bad personal experiences. But the Swedish Model where two parties has agreed on salaries has worked quite well. Both the employer organization and the unions are in agreement and we have had less strikes in Sweden compared to other countries.
I’m not saying that the union is right in this case. But the matter is far more complex than it may look at a first glance.
My personal opinion is that the Tesla sales has no correlation whatsoever to this conflict. Swedish people and businesses are not that engaged so they will make their purchases based on their stand in this conflict
This have negatively affected Teslas sales. The “big” months for Sweden has been Mars, June, September and December. Increasing a the low sales numbers of January and February is not so hard. The test comes in Mars.
By the way, if Tesla get it their way the number of strikes here (which is very low with the collective agreements) will rise substantially.
Looking at statistics from Norway, Tesla lost quite a lot there too in Nov+Dec, and Norwegians are not directly involved in the conflict, though they watch the news. Tesla is managing to destroy their reputation in Scandinavia. Now that is something they might be able to afford as long as they make the best cars in the world. But the Chinese, German and French have almost caught up. When that happens, you cannot afford being seen as you fight against the population.
/Mats
People are finally getting sick of Left-wing bullying and beginning to fight back.
There are dark forces at work…
I prefer a Tesla Model Y in black with duel motor power!
i got the impression in the us to get into a union you have to have family or connection. So for everybody that gets into a union there's more people that can't get in. Maybe in Sweden people just don't like being told what to do, by organizations that they themselves can't join.
The union maby have to redesign, ask the workers on Tesla if they are well ok in the company. Not force somebody to strike, when there are no problems.
Put pressure on companys that are treating their workers bad. 🤔 or ??
Facts matters. Model Y number one in Q1, Q2 and Q3 2023. BUT number four in Q4 after the conflict started. Fleet managers look at alternatives for good reasons.
Could the Union be scaring the Swedish people that they will miss the opportunity to buy a Tesla. The fear of missing out due to Union scaring away Tesla??? This would create a buying frenzy before Tesla buying opportunity goes away
Sweden is only 20k cars to tesla.. worst case scenario they sell them somewhere else in europe.. they cant make them fast enough anyway.. They will sell regardless..
So its only hurting sweden..
But the mechanics in norway/finland/denmark can do the job, might even be cheaper to outsource those repairs.
Morning mate
I wonder if this behavior by Swedish consumers is just people not liking to be told what to do or buy?
EVs are substituting vehicles in Sweden and Tesla kind of the only one working okey in the cold because thy learned from Norway when it was substituting Tesla, and IF Metall’s main goal is not to stop sales; it’s to ensure that Tesla workers receive the same standard of salary and safety as all other workers. what a surpris some existing employees chose work over the union, perhaps because they had no other option due to the risk of losing their jobs... Tesla has the authority to kick non-union workers unless they explicitly accept the union. As a member of IF metall you have to kick the last guy you hired first However, this situation has likely impacted expected sales significantly.
Another fun infotainment feom u sam 😂 well done 👏🤣
It’s sad to see Unions making the same mistakes over and over but the company needs to axe half of their employees or collapse, a company can’t afford to hire lazy employees anymore. When a country loses its Auto Industry it loses its standing in the world.
The strike is free advertisement for tesla.
Why are many electric cars sold in Scandinavia? That's because there are good salaries.! It is not because the individual employee can agree on a salary with a large company, it is because of the trade unions. It is not just salary but holidays, pensions, working hours and sickness. Likewise, the trade unions also have great influence with the large number of members vis-à-vis the rest of society.
How are the wages in countries where you are not so well organised, they are less.
I Sweden no one have to work more than one fulltime jobs to live a ok life. Even working in McDonalds! Thats because of strong unions. Better than working three job and still struggling. You can do better USA!🙏
Maybe we should look at what Sweden sells in the USA? Two way street…
I bet a lot of Swedish citizens hate their union system but don’t say anything about it because they’re too afraid of being blacklisted.
Wrong. I'm not with the Union, I do go by their rules though. You won't be black balled anyway if you don't. It's great being an employee in Sweden.
Edit......l will join soon!
You bet? In other words you don't know what you are talking about.
I dont believe that, can you list some sources?@lls
@@koryballs All shops are Union shops. They will have no problem getting another job tomorrow.
Tesla problem is not with half a dozen techs.
It's with a nation that...won't deliver parts..unload new cars...collect rubbish....fix chargers....plus lots more.
I work 500 meters from tesla Sweden and in the same buisness!
The Union in Sweden is so deeply engaged in the Socialist party that the members’ fees are financing the party’s election campaigning including advertising and PR. This is a tradition and the union members have no say about how their money is spent. There have been quite a few scandals of the union in Sweden. For instance a couple of high level union representatives went to Estonia for a ”congress”. Everything was financed by member fees. Turned out the chaps where into illegal gambling and visiting hookers. Eventually they turned up dead in a scrapyard outside Tallinn since they had involved with the wrong gangsters
Model 3 plaid
We should stop calling them unions and instead call them worker cartels.
Haha Love i, Maybe its the Streisand effect!!
What are they striking?
130 mechanics only 13 on strike, service centres running fine. Sympathy strikes have failed to stop Tesla cars being delivered to Sweden, failed to stop new sales being recorded and registered, failed to stop cars being serviced. Jan 2024 sales more than double Jan 2023.
@@robertwoodhouse-bm7ktthank you, what are they striking? if you know
@@Tottorul because they get better paid then if they moved to another company WITH a union. OUCH.
What is it about the Swedish collective psyche that allows this kind of nonsense?
his is hilarious. It almost reminds me of an episode of The Sopranos. The mafia comes in and tries to get its hands on whatever it can that doesnt belong to it. Good for Tesla. I'd actually like to see a 100% mechanised production line with zero humans involved at all. Imagine automated trucks bringing in raw materials, and robots running the facility, with completed cars coming out the other end, onto automated delivery trucks.
Why does IF Metall feel like they have a right to obstruct ANY company? Who made them gods of the free market?
The other companies that are hit by symphaty measures can get compensation via the union. Don't worry.
Edit: grammar
@@gunnarparment5050 Your grammar has me confused. Can you correct that please?
@@DaveBjornRapp Edited
The collective bargain agreement is wanted by the workers. The genereal popuplation agrees with the unions. Many of the cars are bough by small business, they dont like unions. Allmost all workforce in sweden have collective bargain agreement. Tesla is definetely in the wrong here. Most of the unions in sweden are progressive, and are not against electric cars. But the way Tesla is acting is giving more firepower to people who sees the transition for electrification as an "elite" project. Tesla is destroying the security for poorer people for the good of electrics cars for richer people - is the way many workers will be looking at this. And they are not that wrong.
Sweden has no poor people,,check all Gov perks they receive 😊
I hate to say it but screw those bullies at IF Metall…
That's this till that Elon says Ha ha!
Long live IF Metall!
What’s the delivery time on Teslas in Sweden? Could it be delivery of cars sold mouths ago?
wonderful!
Very strange cheers mate
I bought another tesla new m3
I think Sweden might have to build a new jail for these rebellious unionists, especially if they become lawless in their actions.
Strangest comment today
Any publicity is good publicity.
👍
You need to go home a conversation with Barnum and ballley
STILL WEARING THAT SHIRT
Love seeing Tesla deal with dictators
Or, the license plate blockage was successfully averted and all off this is a spillover from 2023.
What makes you feel you do anything of real physical value in comparison?
Enjoy your content and promotion of clean tech and all, though it's not really work in this industry or highly technically professional of the actual engineering involved, rather more something someone could do as a hobby.
Like many office 'jobs' in this 21st century, it's just occupation and $$ spinner.
Union blackmail just motivates the God of Karma.
Strong unions = weak governments.
This same strategy is at work in the US. Unions are the reason that the biden administration has backed off of supporting EV, and the reason that biden attacks Tesla directly. If Tesla would cave to the mafioso unions, their stock would skyrocket, and biden would become their best friend.
Unions want to continue their monopolistic control of all auto related operations- uaw for the assemblers, and teamsters for the transportion of the parts and finished vehicles, and trade unions for all plant construction and maintenance.
I am so glad that Tesla sticks to its principles, and opposes these extortionists!
Who likes to be pushed around ? If Unions are trying to wield some power, and tell people that Tesla is a bad company - maybe people in business feel that they are grown up enough to make their own decisions? And maybe the Union is advertising Tesla for free ? (by mistake ...)
No union has said that. You are lying. Or show me some evidence.
@@gunnarparment5050 Of course - I am lying, and do your own research...
Unions suck. Most of Silicon Valley is Non Union because companies offer stock options and generous packages unlike corrupt unions that just support the democratic party, sick days, and add cost to every American car except Tesla. It is kind of strange that Blue Cali that loves it's Teachers Unions that don't educate students and other government unions haven't been able to sell the idea of unionizing tech?! Maybe, tech is too smart? I kind of would love to see Microsoft and Google go Union only to see their stocks tank like Ford losing $37K on each EV sold and cutting production way back as their unions make more money only to be fired. Lot's of layoffs in tech, might be a warning sign of recession.
iF Metall forgot basic advertising principles, conflict leads to interest, the best publicity is free publicity. The secret is people believe publicity that is not paid for much more than paid for publicity, (for those that don't know about publicity). Elon Musk being one who does know. They literally did just the opposite of what they wanted, similar to the Russians.
Europe = Unions. USA = no Unions. Where would you prefer to live your life. It is that simple. Sometimes people forget how it was like to be a worker before Unions changed the balance of power.
Im in Canada made enough $$ without union to retire early 😂 only lazy workers need Unions imo
Swede here. Our unions generally have a good reputation, since they’re in general very cooperative and takes responsibility.
In this particular case, the media is trying to spread the view that Tesla is losing business because of the few striking in the service centers and those companies that refuses to handle Teslas stuff (everything from shipping to waste management). Not sure if that is true. The union IF Metall has been very secretive around how many in the service staff that is actually on strike. I’ve heard 13 out of 300.
I think IF Metall has chosen a counterparty a bit to large this time. Tesla is not going to sign.
Since the collective agreement is voluntary from the company to sign, I pop popcorn and wait, hoping that IF Metall will give up.