The fact that the warden sarcastically lies about Tommys death knowing Andy knew what really happened makes it that much more evil, so much irony in this film which makes it so great
And the way he casually says "give him another month to think about it" is just so soulless. The things he does are very subtle and "tame" compared to typical movie villains but he's gotta be one of the most despicable characters in a film, when you take all of the context into consideration. A very underrated performance.
This scene shows how evil Norton is. One could imagine a better man agreeing to help Andy get a retrial and regain freedom, and perhaps after they can work as equals running the same scams and laundering money as before. Andy said himself he would be just as indictable for the crimes. Instead what Norton does shows he has no interest in treating Andy as a human being, let alone a partner in crime. He basically wants a slave to run his scams and polish his boots.
David Lea of course he's not treating him equally. Andy is basically the warden's tool to earning massive amounts of wealth. It seems to me that you are overanalyzing something that is foolishly simple
+Xiran Wang You missed the point. If the warden had treated Andy better, they would have been partners, the reason why Andy rebelled away was because he was just a tool, a slave. Outcomes of the story would be different.
+Lord Void Andy wouldn't have a reason to hate norton if Andy was treated "equal" and if norton was actually a good person, he would have helped Andy get out of prison and would have continued helping norton making big bucks. Instead, norton acted like a dick and alas, you know what happened next.
He's the definition of the saying "Bitch in Sheep's Clothing" Looks like a good guy and pretty reasonable but beneath that layer is a dirty, egotistical and ruthless scumbag.
Yeah he is . I think because he's realistic people like him are real and don't stick out. Normal clean cut professional and religion. But he's hiding behind it all to be a sadistic Greedy psychopath
Definitely, when considering the fact he hides behind the facade of a bible worshiping Christian claiming to do no wrong, but ultimately shows his true colours, the actor who plays this guy did a phenomenal job.
One of the greatest villains in cinematic history. What makes him so scary is that you can easily imagine plenty of men like him out there in real life.
no this self proclaimed villains are better when they are over the top doing dirty job themselves like health ledger joker and stanfield in professional. nurse ratched is a better villain of this type that hides behind a good worker. she leaves no doubt to anyone she is doing only good deeds while she drove a guy to suicide and lobotomized another.
Bob Gunton and Clancy Brown are a perfect one-two punch combination in this. Gunton's Warden Norton is the epitome of soft-spoken evil, while Brown's Captain Hadley is the sadistic muscle. Casting is definitely a HUGE part in whether or not a movie will be successful, and every part in 'The Shawshank Redemption' is perfectly cast.
Yeah..and ironically enough..It was Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump who beat out Tim Robbins as Andy Dufresne for the oscar that year. Personally, I think Hanks would have won in either role as he is a much better actor.
@ReaktorLeak I think that Tim Robbins played Andy so well that i can't even imagine someone else playing Andy. (Same thing goes for Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump, I think both roles got perfect actors for them.)
In this scene, Norton gifted Andy the best gift someone in Andy's position could receive; desperation. When Andy learnt the true nature of the Warden and how far he was going to go, to prevent Andy ever from leaving Shawshank. Andy at that moment knew he was a Deadman. If he stays working under the thumb of the Warden, he'd die in Shawshank (never being allowed to leave, while he was alive) or once The Warden no longer needed Andy, he'd kill him just to tie up the loose end (just as he killed the kid to silence him). I think that's when Andy found his motivation to make his daring escape, and that he had no intention of being recaptured or taken alive. To get busy living or get busy dying.
He already his escape plan in motion from the beginning, but what this did was give him his motivation to bury the warden, drag him down to perish in the pit he tried to throw Andy into, and at the same time take the financial means he needs to start a new life.
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“Cast you down with the sodomites” Really shows what Norton sees concerning his inmates. Not human beings, but sinners from his bible, he is god in his own house
Red’s line early in the movie was nice, even if it was pretty obviously inserted only to make it clear that the film wasn’t homophobic: he said the rapists aren’t homosexuals: “You have to be human. They wouldn’t qualify.”
Exactly right. Warden Norton is so insane he thinks he’s this devout Christian when in reality he is doing blatantly un-Christian things on an hourly basis. Just like Mrs. Carmody in “The Mist,” another movie adaptation of a Stephen King book. And also directed by Frank Darabont. Big Jim Renny also, in “Under the Dome” 15-20 years earlier his actor would have been Brian Dennehy. Or they would have offered Brian the role.
Religious obsession, sometimes turning to outright mania, is a recurring theme in Stephen King. See for example Carrie's mother in "Carrie"; Johnny's mother in "The Dead Zone".
@@teesee03 Yes, religious mania appears in King’s work as frequently as characters who live in Maine, perhaps more so. And mothers who somehow don’t give their children strokes.
Bob Gunton's performance here is perfect. The subtle but focused eyes, the gentle but confident gestures and demeanor. It all speaks to a man who knows he has absolute power in this situation and doesn't need to raise his voice at all to get his point across. He can do whatever he wants with Andy with complete immunity. Brilliant acting and a chilling moment in the film.
Wrong, buddy. Sam Norton only succeeded to further piss off Andy to the breaking point where he eventually escapes Shawshank, uses his very own alias, siphons off 370 grand of Norton's money, and heads for Mexico.
Andy outsmarts the warden. Andy says it ends, knowing the warden would demand the opposite, keeping the money laundering going, continuing on with Andy's plan for escape. A pivitol scene of the battle of wits that no one seems to notice. It also makes Andy appear to be completely beaten, lowering the wardens guard and awareness even further, while Andy brilliantly plots his escape as well as revenge.
Such a pinnacle point in the film! The imagery of the "books burning" and seen "for miles" and "dancing around it like wild Injuns"...what an amazing example of how dialogue can replace actual imagery in a movie and be just as effective. This movie is full of scenes like that...another of my favorites is the Mozart - Marriage of Figaro being played over the loudspeakers!! Chills everytime I see both scenes!
@Dirty harry needs to do a bit of research! The warden did say injun's! A injun is a native American Indian and a Indian is a Asian Indian! I hope this clears this up!
Him entering the cell is scarier than any big monster demon in any horror movie. The sadistic look in his eye, his deep ill intent. You'd think he's the devil himself.
I always found it interesting how the Captain of the guards still treated Andy like shit even after he helped him with his tax issues over the money he got from his deceased brother.
Well Hadley did help protect Andy, so that's one good thing he did in return. Plus you have to realize he was also never going do dare go against his boss Warden Norton for that matter either, with all that was going on, and what not.
It's jail. Hadley plays for the guards. A favor here or there maybe can be excused. But Hadley could never put his guard down or it might lead to inmates or worse, other guards questioning his authority.
IKR. They gave Melissa McCarthy a Supporting Actress nod for "Bridesmaids," but overlooked this guy. He should have had the nomination, bare minimum. But probably should have won as well.
I love that reference; it's the perfect example of how the regime of the warden will utter destroy every last ounce of culture and knowledge that Andy has tried to build.
remember that Norton considers something like the library to be his mercy. That sort of place his running, he has no reason to improve conditions anymore than they are.
I thought he was so religious because he thought of himself as the God of the lesser prisoners and his favorite bible quote "always be ready because you don't know when the master commeth" was referring to himself and his constant, random shakedowns. It's just my opinion.
Truly brilliant acting by Bob Gunton. Before I saw Shawshank, I merely remembered him as an actor I saw in small roles in movies here and there. But after I saw this scene, I thought to myself this man is a freaking great actor. Whenever I see his name appear in acting credits now, I get excited to see his performance.
I am pretty sure when I first watched Shawshank; one of the things I was probably telling myself when I saw the warden was “that’s the douchebag chief from Demolitian Man”
I get a kick out of imagining Norton, Hadley, and some other guards dancing around a big fire, screaming and hollering. 🤣 I wish they had shown that as part of a montage of what Norton was describing, with Norton's dialogue as voice-over. 😆
Yeah, Bob Grunton really caught the essence of the Evil Warden, it is subtle, but all there in its sophisticated subtle projection. This film was really made by the entire cast, but Grunton carried it a lot more than people give him credit for.
He's also a total sweetheart. I sent him a message on facebook wishing him a happy birthday and he replied! How many actors would do that? I cried for an hour because I was so happy.
Norton, and Hadley learned an important lesson... don’t mess with the accountant who does your taxes! Boggs also learned an important lesson. Don’t mess with the accountant who does the GUARDS/WARDENS taxes!
He was really holding onto that obtuse slight from Andy. A month later and it was still fresh on his mind. The only characters I can think of eviler were Palpatine and Lil Ze from City of God. Bob Gunton nailed this role.
Cant agree. He had one other month to maybe even think they may discover the poster in his cell. Regardless of this you cant tell me he was fine with being in there 2 months? Surely not!
nikki1778 For sure that is terrible punishment, but I think Andy could stand it much more than other prisoners. For sure I would prefer sitting two months in comfortable corner than cell full of rapists.
And to think that Clancy Brown can go from playing the hard-ass Captain Hadley, to being the voice of Mr. Krabs on "SpongeBob SquarePants"! Just shows his underrated versatility as an actor!
William Burke Clancy Brown has played other villains in his career like in Bad Boys in 1983 with Sean Penn and was the evil Kurgan in Highlander in 1986 going against Sean Connery and Christopher Lambert. A deranged killer in Shoot to Kill in 1988 and was a corrupt Solider in Extreme Prejudice in 1987. He has also played good guys to in comedies like Flubber with Robin Williams
There's just somthing about the casual way he talks about "book burnings" and "danciing around like wild injuns" that sparks a familiar unease in your heart. And deep down you know that this is *evil* on a primordial level.
I first watched this movie in my second year of college and I gotta say... Frank Darabont wrote this movie perfectly. I love how Norton starts off somewhat generous in the beginning, but as the film progresses, his evil side starts to unfold. In the scene where Tommy gets shot, Norton's eyes are literally black. But this scene really shows his true colors. "Or you will do the hardest time there is." The way he softly delivers that line so softly makes it so threatful. And the fact is, he was being obtuse before Andy got put in solitary. I don't think there's any bad thing about this movie at all.
This was the moment that sealed Warden Norton’s fate. Had he just let Andy stop helping with the scams, Norton could have taken what money he had and retired. Instead, he pushed Andy, threatening him. For Andy, this was the last straw. The Warden was dead, he just didn’t know it yet.
I put this up Bob Gunton's acting in this scene and the rest of the movie up there with Anthony Hopkins / Silence of the Lambs. Some of the best acting of the 90s right here in this clip. He also has the look of someone from the 1930s better than anyone in the movie with his glasses / hair cut.
Norton was incredibly written. A decent looking man who's also educated and preaches the word of God tasked to oversee and manage criminals. But it's only a mask on his true evil form. When first watching this movie, I seriously thought at first that Hadley would be the main antagonist here. While Hadley is brutal in his own right, it's nothing compared to Norton. Seeing Norton's true self makes Hadley look like an angel.
I can't tell who's worse. The warden with an obvious but cruel manner to inflict pain. Or the sadistic Hadley who just enjoys the misery of people beneath him
This scene is like a two months away from Andy’s escape. He must have been broken after this shit, but he was aware that it’s only a matter of time to get out of here. But what is terrifying is that he was in constant stress for 2 months that the guards will discover the hole in his cell. That must have been pure torture for Andy
The best movies always have u caring deeply about the characters they play. So much admiration for Andy and his fellow prisoners, wanting them to win, makes this movie (amongst other things) so damn good.
No it was when Andy mentioned the money laundering scams that pushed him over the edge. If Andy stopped right after calling him obtuse, he’d have been fine.
@@andrewwestman2407 hhhhhwaaat? Hhhuwhat did you call me?........ I think you're incorrect. Being called obtuse was of great offence to the warden. The mentioning of laundering money was just a cherry on the cake.
Give him another month to think about it .... And Andy's face 😮😮 best moment. When we are watching and even can't imagine how tough is to stay their, without light, condition etc. A man stayed 30 days and then another 30 days. We can see how Andy looks like,he practically got crazy in the hall,and when he heard that he has to stay for another month there we can read on his face everything,more exactly that he will be like a piece of shit there, not able to think normally and even to walk 😂 i like Andy's reaction: oh shit, I'm fucked
And threatens him to confess to his crime[s] - thinking Tommy was gonna escape, when in fact, he was just telling what could have been the truth, which could have proved Andy's innocence. Sadly, there are still a bunch of Sammy Nortons walking out there - who I must say, don't give a rat's ass about justice.
That obtuse line really got under The Warden’s skin lol. I remember when I saw this movie as a kid I had to look the word up to see exactly why it got him rattled lol.
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which." George Orwell.
Norton is my favorite movie villain. He is not some megalomaniac like the Joker, or a jealous creature like Scar. Rather he is a manipulative psychopath who uses his persona as a kind religious man to get what he wants while at the sametime not afraid to show the prisoners his true colors once their in his prison. There actual people like Norton who do exist who do manipulate others for their own needs, and politicians who will use their power to hurt others.
I've never seen a version with the line changed, but I'm guessing "wild lnjuns" was dubbed as "dark angels" for network broadcasts. The original probably considered as a racist slur.
I completely agree. In fact, while I (as well as everyone) loves Freeman and Robbins - I actually think Norton is my favorite character in the film. It's just so fascinating to watch someone create and pull off evil that well. You almost find yourself rooting for the bad guy after watching this scene.
"...or am I being obtuse?"
I don't think I've ever hated a fictional character more than in that moment
Right? he was still being obtuse!
@@mrbow50001 Nope, now he's being acute.
Percy from The Green Mile was pretty bad
Kingpin in daredevil got pretty bad
Daniel S that’s how most nurses in psych wards act. They choose that position because they want a sense of power over ‘fucked up people’
I love how he uses the phrase “cast you down”
He really sees himself as a god.
When in reality he's pretty much the devil.
"with the sodomites" 😂😂😂
His character really is just irony in a well dressed suit
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@@Tres_NueveBAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
Norton is still one of the most vile and despicable movie characters in history
@Justin Time Watch Rogue one and you will change your mind on that.
Degree7 Star Wars rogue one? One of the prequel movies
thanoscar 11 NO SHIT!!
Degree7 get your head checked
I guess you didn’t see money train
The fact that the warden sarcastically lies about Tommys death knowing Andy knew what really happened makes it that much more evil, so much irony in this film which makes it so great
Definitely. Warden said in no uncertain terms: That’s my story and you’re sticking to it.
I didn't think of it that way. I thought that that kind of behavior was normal for someone like him. Lol - by his standards it wasn't really evil :p
@Orion Valentine Well said! Also, considering how despicable he is the remark by contrast was him being nice
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How does Andy know what really happened at this point? He was in solitary
This scene is brilliant. The dialogue is so well written. Each line from Norton gets progressively more evil and Bob Gunton's delivery is impeccable.
And the way he casually says "give him another month to think about it" is just so soulless. The things he does are very subtle and "tame" compared to typical movie villains but he's gotta be one of the most despicable characters in a film, when you take all of the context into consideration. A very underrated performance.
I agree totally. I don't think this scene could be any better executed - Norton really was impeccable throughout this film also.
There are so many people like this in the world.
"Bunton should've won the Oscar for 'Most Obtuse Actor'"
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NickAndTommyFight the hardest part of do a month in the hole would be not having my iPhone
NickAndTommyFight Son, you are forgetting yourself.
Dufresne, if you want to indulge this fantasy, that's your business. Don't make it mine. This meeting's over.
+NickAndTommyFight Please give me another month to think about that. Because this entire film is an Oscar. Not just Bob Gunton.
"Give him another month to think about it" ohhh man that has to be just about the coldest line in movie history
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Solitary is way bad
@Christopher Norris yes I agree. It's literally torture
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And the fact that Byron gives poor Andy that evil smirk as he closes the door makes it more sinister and evil.
This scene shows how evil Norton is. One could imagine a better man agreeing to help Andy get a retrial and regain freedom, and perhaps after they can work as equals running the same scams and laundering money as before. Andy said himself he would be just as indictable for the crimes. Instead what Norton does shows he has no interest in treating Andy as a human being, let alone a partner in crime. He basically wants a slave to run his scams and polish his boots.
He could care less. Andy was valuable and wanted him in prison for the rest of his life, serving him.
David Lea of course he's not treating him equally. Andy is basically the warden's tool to earning massive amounts of wealth. It seems to me that you are overanalyzing something that is foolishly simple
+Xiran Wang You missed the point.
If the warden had treated Andy better, they would have been partners, the reason why Andy rebelled away was because he was just a tool, a slave. Outcomes of the story would be different.
+Lord Void Andy wouldn't have a reason to hate norton if Andy was treated "equal" and if norton was actually a good person, he would have helped Andy get out of prison and would have continued helping norton making big bucks.
Instead, norton acted like a dick and alas, you know what happened next.
David Lea he was pure evil; hiding behind his faith.
If shawshank is hell Norton is the devil himself
and Hadley is cerberus
He's the definition of the saying "Bitch in Sheep's Clothing" Looks like a good guy and pretty reasonable but beneath that layer is a dirty, egotistical and ruthless scumbag.
And a cowardly one too, shooting himself rather than face the police.
"And thus I clothe my naked villany with old odd ends stolen out of holy writ; and seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
yup 100% if you look at the camera work and the lighting when the warden is on screen he 100% is and they play it up. Brilliant movie
great touch to have the Warden reference the 'obtuse' line a month after putting Andy in solitary, showing how bitter and petty he is
"I STILL HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN that you called me obtuse. That's why you're down here, remember? I will forgive you for calling me THAT".
In the beginning of the film, I thought Norton was merely a hard-ass but by the end of the film, he's about as heinous as can be.
to me this guy is probably one of the best movie villains ever
This is what real bas*ards look like,, no over the top villains like the Joker etc, real villains hide behind a suit, fancy hair cut and glasses.
Yeah he is . I think because he's realistic people like him are real and don't stick out. Normal clean cut professional and religion. But he's hiding behind it all to be a sadistic Greedy psychopath
@@patricks7473 villains who twirl the mustaches are easy to spot,but those who clothes themselves in good deeds are almost impossible to see
Definitely, when considering the fact he hides behind the facade of a bible worshiping Christian claiming to do no wrong, but ultimately shows his true colours, the actor who plays this guy did a phenomenal job.
Second only to Louise Fletcher's portrayal of Nurse Ratched in "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest".
fucked by a train is still the best threat ive heard in a movie in a while
I've been fucked by a train and it was actually surprisingly gentle... it even lowered the grade crossing signals before it finished
SuperSaiyanLink2464 it 8s called the midnight express. Popular prison slang
degree7 really? Thanx.
You sound like that would be the best thing that could happen to you in prison.
Best...pickup...line....EVER!
One of the greatest villains in cinematic history. What makes him so scary is that you can easily imagine plenty of men like him out there in real life.
no this self proclaimed villains are better when they are over the top doing dirty job themselves like health ledger joker and stanfield in professional. nurse ratched is a better villain of this type that hides behind a good worker. she leaves no doubt to anyone she is doing only good deeds while she drove a guy to suicide and lobotomized another.
Hell yeah
There’s people worse than him in real life dude 😂
Nah this kind of villainy is almost cartoonish, a warden pulling this kind of shit in today’s time won’t be able to last long.
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Bob Gunton and Clancy Brown are a perfect one-two punch combination in this. Gunton's Warden Norton is the epitome of soft-spoken evil, while Brown's Captain Hadley is the sadistic muscle. Casting is definitely a HUGE part in whether or not a movie will be successful, and every part in 'The Shawshank Redemption' is perfectly cast.
What's funny is that they originally wanted to cast Tom Hanks as Andy but he turned it down to play Forrest Gump. I think it turned out for the best.
Yeah..and ironically enough..It was Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump who beat out Tim Robbins as Andy Dufresne for the oscar that year. Personally, I think Hanks would have won in either role as he is a much better actor.
@ReaktorLeak I think that Tim Robbins played Andy so well that i can't even imagine someone else playing Andy. (Same thing goes for Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump, I think both roles got perfect actors for them.)
Tom Cruise was also offered the role as Andy, who would have been great, and what his character in the book was based off of too.
If it was to be remade today it would be a curvy woman with a beta male playing the muscle.
In this scene, Norton gifted Andy the best gift someone in Andy's position could receive; desperation. When Andy learnt the true nature of the Warden and how far he was going to go, to prevent Andy ever from leaving Shawshank. Andy at that moment knew he was a Deadman. If he stays working under the thumb of the Warden, he'd die in Shawshank (never being allowed to leave, while he was alive) or once The Warden no longer needed Andy, he'd kill him just to tie up the loose end (just as he killed the kid to silence him). I think that's when Andy found his motivation to make his daring escape, and that he had no intention of being recaptured or taken alive. To get busy living or get busy dying.
He already his escape plan in motion from the beginning, but what this did was give him his motivation to bury the warden, drag him down to perish in the pit he tried to throw Andy into, and at the same time take the financial means he needs to start a new life.
"He looks like he could piss ice water" was the description of Warden Norton in the script. And how true that was.
He looks like he could be secretary of the USSR if need be.
@@HunterShowsDAMN!!!
Only made Andy's revenge that much sweeter.
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Except the warden got to take the easy way out his way
The man who beats his dogs will pull his own sled one day.
Or just get new dogs
@@cockoffgewgle4993 You're not wrong
The man who hits his wife will suck his own c*ck one day
John Or just get a new wife
Osmil Oe you’re not wrong
“Cast you down with the sodomites”
Really shows what Norton sees concerning his inmates. Not human beings, but sinners from his bible, he is god in his own house
Red’s line early in the movie was nice, even if it was pretty obviously inserted only to make it clear that the film wasn’t homophobic: he said the rapists aren’t homosexuals: “You have to be human. They wouldn’t qualify.”
Exactly right. Warden Norton is so insane he thinks he’s this devout Christian when in reality he is doing blatantly un-Christian things on an hourly basis.
Just like Mrs. Carmody in “The Mist,” another movie adaptation of a Stephen King book. And also directed by Frank Darabont.
Big Jim Renny also, in “Under the Dome” 15-20 years earlier his actor would have been Brian Dennehy. Or they would have offered Brian the role.
Ya but they were quite literally sodomites, they're raping other male inmates
Religious obsession, sometimes turning to outright mania, is a recurring theme in Stephen King. See for example Carrie's mother in "Carrie"; Johnny's mother in "The Dead Zone".
@@teesee03 Yes, religious mania appears in King’s work as frequently as characters who live in Maine, perhaps more so. And mothers who somehow don’t give their children strokes.
Bob Gunton's performance here is perfect. The subtle but focused eyes, the gentle but confident gestures and demeanor. It all speaks to a man who knows he has absolute power in this situation and doesn't need to raise his voice at all to get his point across. He can do whatever he wants with Andy with complete immunity. Brilliant acting and a chilling moment in the film.
That sick smirk on Hadley's face when he shuts the door though
sadistic
How I HATE Norton and Hadley ever so much. I'd like to kick the ever-lovin' shit outta 'em!
Christopher Howell I so hope they put Hadly in Shawshank
Basically implying “So what if you are innocent? We have you right where we want you. And there’s nothing you can do about it.”
Wrong, buddy. Sam Norton only succeeded to further piss off Andy to the breaking point where he eventually escapes Shawshank, uses his very own alias, siphons off 370 grand of Norton's money, and heads for Mexico.
“You’ll think you’ve been fucked by a train” brilliant line capturing the vile wickedness of the warden
Similarly "I'll cast you down with the sodomites".
In the end the Warden was fucked by a hammer in two ways than one! 😂😂
“I’m done. Everything stops. Get someone else to run your scams.”
Definitely foreshadowing Andy’s escape scene.
He was already digging the hole before Tommy came
Andy outsmarts the warden. Andy says it ends, knowing the warden would demand the opposite, keeping the money laundering going, continuing on with Andy's plan for escape. A pivitol scene of the battle of wits that no one seems to notice. It also makes Andy appear to be completely beaten, lowering the wardens guard and awareness even further, while Andy brilliantly plots his escape as well as revenge.
Just imagine if at the end, he added: "oh, by the way, we found what was behind the poster, we transferred you to another cell"
Nah Man 😭 That will be the worse ending to any movie of all time.
Such a pinnacle point in the film! The imagery of the "books burning" and seen "for miles" and "dancing around it like wild Injuns"...what an amazing example of how
dialogue can replace actual imagery in a movie and be just as effective. This movie is full of scenes like that...another of my favorites is the Mozart - Marriage of Figaro being played over the loudspeakers!! Chills everytime I see both scenes!
Not to mention the soundtrack behind it
Indians*
@@TravellerTinker He was saying it how the warden phrased it.
@Dirty harry needs to do a bit of research! The warden did say injun's! A injun is a native American Indian and a Indian is a Asian Indian! I hope this clears this up!
I'm sure it's also a way of bringing to mind Hitler
Him entering the cell is scarier than any big monster demon in any horror movie. The sadistic look in his eye, his deep ill intent. You'd think he's the devil himself.
Still stands as the cruelest, most twisted speech I've ever seen a villain give in all of fiction.
He strikes me as an icy and remorseless man. It chills my blood just to look at him.
And I'm not talking about Dufrense.
+PhattyMcBoomBoom I joke you not on this ; I was about to comment the same exact thing but....I was about to do it all wrong! lol Thanks.
Bob Gunton was phenomenal in this role!
is what the judge told andy when he sentenced him, brilliant!
I know who you're talking about: Warden Norton. It chills each and everyone else's blood to look at him because of how icy and remorseless he is.
Shuo Yang what does that mean?
I always found it interesting how the Captain of the guards still treated Andy like shit even after he helped him with his tax issues over the money he got from his deceased brother.
You have a point there. Very ungrateful.
Well Hadley did help protect Andy, so that's one good thing he did in return. Plus you have to realize he was also never going do dare go against his boss Warden Norton for that matter either, with all that was going on, and what not.
He did beat the hell out of that creepy dude who kept raping Andy.
It's jail. Hadley plays for the guards. A favor here or there maybe can be excused. But Hadley could never put his guard down or it might lead to inmates or worse, other guards questioning his authority.
@@Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong he only did it to free Andy up to put the wardens schemes into action.
How Bob Gunton didn't even get nominated for Best Supporting Actor at the Oscars still perplexes me.
Oscars are rigged based on popularity
Role was too small
William Hurt’s Best Supporting Actor Oscar nomination for his role in “A History of Violence” was comprised of less than 9 minutes...
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Stay perplexed, sonion.
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IKR. They gave Melissa McCarthy a Supporting Actress nod for "Bridesmaids," but overlooked this guy. He should have had the nomination, bare minimum. But probably should have won as well.
Am I the only one who cracks up at the thought of warden dancing around the fire like a 'wild injun'?
lol, always wanted to see that
That would be culturally insensitive...
i thought i was the only one who noticed he saud injuns
ffjsb At least he didn't say book-burning Nazis!
I love that reference; it's the perfect example of how the regime of the warden will utter destroy every last ounce of culture and knowledge that Andy has tried to build.
Look how happy he is when he starts talking about a book barbecue.
I wonder if Norton reads Miss Lotta Leadpipe same as Percy Whitmore 🤔
remember that Norton considers something like the library to be his mercy. That sort of place his running, he has no reason to improve conditions anymore than they are.
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He's probably just hungry for a HOT roasted sausage.
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no doubt one of the finest piece of cinema to date, the irony of the warden's faith in God is through the roof.
The warden was not a believer at all. He was just using the obvious pretence of it as a way to mess with their minds.
I thought he was so religious because he thought of himself as the God of the lesser prisoners and his favorite bible quote "always be ready because you don't know when the master commeth" was referring to himself and his constant, random shakedowns.
It's just my opinion.
That's my angle. Was it a New Testament quote? He was a pretentious posturing well fed twat. His downfall is a celebration.
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Michael M He didn't really believe in all the crap he kept yapping about.
Eventually he wanted money.
Thus made Andy do all his shady deals for him.
That must’ve been the most heart wrenching thing to hear “Give him another month to think about it.”
It made me react out loud when he said it. I instantly felt so much sympathy
Gave him more time to plot his escape
The word 'obtuse' has forever had nuanced meaning for me by this movie, a good word for the notion being expressed.
marshall886 When I was young I used to think I would get sent to solitary if I said it! haha
marshall886 Obtuse: slow to understand
+marshall886 Yeah the angular reference and interpretation is pure gold!
+nikki1778 Couldnt stop thinking of this scene in middle school geometry class. "Or am I being obtuse?"
Every time I see an obtuse angle in geometry I think in my head, with my most solemn thinking voice, "how could you be so obtuse"
Truly brilliant acting by Bob Gunton. Before I saw Shawshank, I merely remembered him as an actor I saw in small roles in movies here and there. But after I saw this scene, I thought to myself this man is a freaking great actor. Whenever I see his name appear in acting credits now, I get excited to see his performance.
I also remember him in Demolition Man where he plays a much more comedic character, but still a douchebag. LOL.
I am pretty sure when I first watched Shawshank; one of the things I was probably telling myself when I saw the warden was “that’s the douchebag chief from Demolitian Man”
A cold blooded scene right there. Some good acting.
I get a kick out of imagining Norton, Hadley, and some other guards dancing around a big fire, screaming and hollering. 🤣 I wish they had shown that as part of a montage of what Norton was describing, with Norton's dialogue as voice-over. 😆
Norton: Give him another month to think about it.
Andy: I'm telling the Daily Bugle.
For me, the greatest movie villain of all time. I can't think of anyone more loathsome!
Yeah, Bob Grunton really caught the essence of the Evil Warden, it is subtle, but all there in its sophisticated subtle projection. This film was really made by the entire cast, but Grunton carried it a lot more than people give him credit for.
8digitPDX I'm glad that Andy didn't buy Norton's story about Tommy's "attempt to escape".
8digitPDX It's Gunton.
Tavell Clinton Yeah, the one guy who can prove your innocence conveniently ends up dead!
brick top from snatch comes to mind
"You'll think you've been fucked by a train!" Honestly, that would have scared the living piss out of me hearing that from the warden.
When he says that it broke Hadley's heart to shoot him it's really hilarious, considering Hadley was a sadistic and heartless bastard.
He's also a total sweetheart. I sent him a message on facebook wishing him a happy birthday and he replied!
How many actors would do that? I cried for an hour because I was so happy.
Shotz Brewery Just don’t call him obtuse.
You're gay
@BethHarmon-uv7tl Did you wish him a Very Happy Obtuse Birthday ....?
Norton, and Hadley learned an important lesson... don’t mess with the accountant who does your taxes!
Boggs also learned an important lesson. Don’t mess with the accountant who does the GUARDS/WARDENS taxes!
And I learned an important lesson. Become an accountant and do taxes.
He should ve gotten the academy award just for this scene. Pure art in there.
You'll think you've been listening to Train.
Ha! Great comment! I laughed out loud.
In other words, hell on earth.
Nick lmao 😂😂
Haha brilliant, made me chuckle
Lmao
After everything the warden does in this movie that is beyond cruel, I actually smiled when he swallowed a bullet in the end.
"...or am I being obtuse?"
nope, now you're being acute
His Judgement Cometh and that Right Soon
And I love how the rock hammer that was hidden in the Bible was in the book of Exodus! This film is full of irony and foreshadowing.
nodakliberalhawk my favorite movie
nodakliberalhawk man you just made me realize that was why he wrote, "salvation lies within." Thanks for that.
Sorry I ruined your New Year's Eve party Lieutenant Da-an.
She tasted like cig-a-rettes!
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1:20 the warden's head is at an obtuse angle.
1:37 he puts his head at 90 degrees right before he asks if he's being obtuse.
Gaelen O'Hagan lol. Yup
That's obtuse
He was really holding onto that obtuse slight from Andy. A month later and it was still fresh on his mind. The only characters I can think of eviler were Palpatine and Lil Ze from City of God. Bob Gunton nailed this role.
Its amazing how his evilness is only enhanced by how dry and subdued he is. One of the best villain performances I have ever seen.
The sound score in this scene is the most haunting of the whole film. It sends an icy-cold shiver down my spine every time.
Has to be one of the worst punishments you can endure.
All they have to do is shut the door and keep you in there, nothing you can do about it.
Give him another month to think about it.
TheBlackDahlia896 Haha, the best and possibly most evil line in the film. Imagine having to do all that over again.
nikki1778 For introverts this is not that bad. For example Andy had another month to thinking about details of his escape.
Cant agree.
He had one other month to maybe even think they may discover the poster in his cell.
Regardless of this you cant tell me he was fine with being in there 2 months? Surely not!
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For sure that is terrible punishment, but I think Andy could stand it much more than other prisoners. For sure I would prefer sitting two months in comfortable corner than cell full of rapists.
And to think that Clancy Brown can go from playing the hard-ass Captain Hadley, to being the voice of Mr. Krabs on "SpongeBob SquarePants"! Just shows his underrated versatility as an actor!
I mean, both are evil crooks. The difference is that one can fight and the other cannot.
William Burke Clancy Brown has played other villains in his career like in Bad Boys in 1983 with Sean Penn and was the evil Kurgan in Highlander in 1986 going against Sean Connery and Christopher Lambert. A deranged killer in Shoot to Kill in 1988 and was a corrupt Solider in Extreme Prejudice in 1987. He has also played good guys to in comedies like Flubber with Robin Williams
He also voices Lex Luthor in the DCAU.
“SPONGEBOB ME BOY “ ikr it’s wild
"And the library? Gone, reduced to atoms."
Whatever you do, don’t give that man command of a starship.
There's just somthing about the casual way he talks about "book burnings" and "danciing around like wild injuns" that sparks a familiar unease in your heart. And deep down you know that this is *evil* on a primordial level.
I first watched this movie in my second year of college and I gotta say... Frank Darabont wrote this movie perfectly. I love how Norton starts off somewhat generous in the beginning, but as the film progresses, his evil side starts to unfold. In the scene where Tommy gets shot, Norton's eyes are literally black. But this scene really shows his true colors. "Or you will do the hardest time there is." The way he softly delivers that line so softly makes it so threatful. And the fact is, he was being obtuse before Andy got put in solitary. I don't think there's any bad thing about this movie at all.
This was the moment that sealed Warden Norton’s fate. Had he just let Andy stop helping with the scams, Norton could have taken what money he had and retired. Instead, he pushed Andy, threatening him. For Andy, this was the last straw. The Warden was dead, he just didn’t know it yet.
What great dialogue from the Warden! Sounds so poetic in rhythm. Just listen to the space in between words.
I put this up Bob Gunton's acting in this scene and the rest of the movie up there with Anthony Hopkins / Silence of the Lambs. Some of the best acting of the 90s right here in this clip. He also has the look of someone from the 1930s better than anyone in the movie with his glasses / hair cut.
I’m realizing now that losing his 1 bunk cell was the only threat, can’t finish his tunnel if he doesn’t play the warden’s game
Norton was incredibly written.
A decent looking man who's also educated and preaches the word of God tasked to oversee and manage criminals. But it's only a mask on his true evil form.
When first watching this movie, I seriously thought at first that Hadley would be the main antagonist here. While Hadley is brutal in his own right, it's nothing compared to Norton. Seeing Norton's true self makes Hadley look like an angel.
His face and acting is so intense its scary
I can't tell who's worse. The warden with an obvious but cruel manner to inflict pain. Or the sadistic Hadley who just enjoys the misery of people beneath him
Hadley and warden deserve to be in Shawshank more than the prisoners themselves.
They would probably be raped daily
@@johndonohue4153 ...and I guess that would be okay since they're not women.
@@REXXSEVEN No… it would be ok because they deserve the raping
This scene is like a two months away from Andy’s escape. He must have been broken after this shit, but he was aware that it’s only a matter of time to get out of here. But what is terrifying is that he was in constant stress for 2 months that the guards will discover the hole in his cell. That must have been pure torture for Andy
The best movies always have u caring deeply about the characters they play. So much admiration for Andy and his fellow prisoners, wanting them to win, makes this movie (amongst other things) so damn good.
This whole movie is amazing.
nothing stops...nothing! the calmness of that line and the slow walk forward is fuckin awesome.
Andy really hit a nerve when he called the warden 'obtuse', didn't he!
😂Proper triggered him
No it was when Andy mentioned the money laundering scams that pushed him over the edge. If Andy stopped right after calling him obtuse, he’d have been fine.
@@andrewwestman2407 hhhhhwaaat? Hhhuwhat did you call me?........ I think you're incorrect. Being called obtuse was of great offence to the warden. The mentioning of laundering money was just a cherry on the cake.
Give him another month to think about it .... And Andy's face 😮😮 best moment. When we are watching and even can't imagine how tough is to stay their, without light, condition etc. A man stayed 30 days and then another 30 days. We can see how Andy looks like,he practically got crazy in the hall,and when he heard that he has to stay for another month there we can read on his face everything,more exactly that he will be like a piece of shit there, not able to think normally and even to walk 😂 i like Andy's reaction: oh shit, I'm fucked
one of the best scenes in movie history in my opinion..
It takes a great actor, director, and writer to create a character we can hate so much...Bob Gunton, Frank Darabont, and Steven King. Thank you.
"Nothing stops . Nothing . "
Capt. Hadley was such a toughie until he.....wasn't.
He seems to be a nice man in real life, though.
Everytime there was a break in filming I think Clancy Brown apologized to everyone even though he wasn't the bad guy. His character was.
From what I hear, he started sobbing like a little girl when they took him away.
Hadley is your typical bully. Acts tough because his position allows him to get away with it, but deep down he is a wimp
Never offend a man who has your money
One of the greatest scenes in movie history, in my opinion.
The cold warden tears Andy down horribly in this scene.
And threatens him to confess to his crime[s] - thinking Tommy was gonna escape, when in fact, he was just telling what could have been the truth, which could have proved Andy's innocence.
Sadly, there are still a bunch of Sammy Nortons walking out there - who I must say, don't give a rat's ass about justice.
Such a great villian
Absolute power that corrupts absolutely.
i'll take "what is law enforcement" for a hundred, alex.
It’s not that power corrupts, it’s that power attracts the corruptible.
That obtuse line really got under The Warden’s skin lol. I remember when I saw this movie as a kid I had to look the word up to see exactly why it got him rattled lol.
Can you even imagine a month, no a week in that hellhole!? 4 days in and you'd think your time should be up. That shit would eat at your sanity!
Daniel Staab man 1 hour in their feels like a 1000 years let alone one month
What Iove about this scene is you can feel the animosity between the two but they don't scream they talk very calmly
It’s easy to forget throughout the movie that this is a Stephen King story. This scene is a strong reminder.
I think Andy panicked when he said “I’ll get you out of that one man cell.”
Funny thing is, Warden Norton in his later years looks just like my old high school principal! It's just scary all the way around!
"The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
George Orwell.
0:06 Hadley's face will change when he goes in prison himself hahaha
Norton is my favorite movie villain. He is not some megalomaniac like the Joker, or a jealous creature like Scar. Rather he is a manipulative psychopath who uses his persona as a kind religious man to get what he wants while at the sametime not afraid to show the prisoners his true colors once their in his prison. There actual people like Norton who do exist who do manipulate others for their own needs, and politicians who will use their power to hurt others.
I really love the line “we’ll dance around the fire like dark angels”. It’s such a weirdly dark line you can tell norton has a screw loose.
He says wild injuns, but still pretty wack
I've never seen a version with the line changed, but I'm guessing "wild lnjuns" was dubbed as "dark angels" for network broadcasts. The original probably considered as a racist slur.
he is more evil than Skeletor ..
A dead cat is more evil than Skeletor.
MYAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Snaaaaaaaaaaaarf!!!
Norton is one of the most vile villains in a movie.
Definitely
People who haven't experienced extreme isolation don't have the faintest clue how cruel solitary is
The moment Andy decided it was time to go
Fucked by a train 🚂…… what if Andy said Choo Choo!? 😂
One of the most evil villains in cinema history
I completely agree. In fact, while I (as well as everyone) loves Freeman and Robbins - I actually think Norton is my favorite character in the film. It's just so fascinating to watch someone create and pull off evil that well. You almost find yourself rooting for the bad guy after watching this scene.