MIIIIIKKEEEEEEE. Personally I feel Rantenen should be a little higher, since he kinda gets buried under Mack and Makar. Then again he is my favorite player so yeah
Quinn Hughes lower than Adam Fox?? 🤔 Seems odd considering the criteria you’ve used to place Fox at 11. I would argue that putting Fox at 13 and pushing both of the Hughes brothers up to 11 & 12 makes more sense.
Fox might (might) have been my Norris pick if he played all 82 and has been better every other year since 2021 than Quinn. It is not solely this season.
@@MikeBartner id argue hughes had a better season last year. Plus had the better rookie season. (both have played 5 seasons) and hughes had by far the best season out of both of there 5 year careers so far. Lets also not forget that while they have both played 5 seasons.. hughes is still younger.
Love the graphics you’re starting to throw up, if you could balance your face cam and some other graphics like some stats of the players or something to look at on the screen while talking would be sick. Comes from a place of love since the info is always quality 🤝
@@missstar219 jack Hughes has not done nearly enough to become a franchise player or be rated better over Quinn. Quinn is literally breaking every record there ever was by a defence man on this Canucks team. Idc if a forward gets more points that’s the dumbest argument ever. Adam fox is not on Quinn’s level. He’s at least 11 if not 10 imo
As a Canucks fan, Pettersson is sooooo overrated and JT is so underrated. Swap the 2 in this list. JT does everything for the team. Has such a bad rep for being bad defensively but he’s literally our top shutdown forward
Mike, love your channel man! Ever consider listing players who you would start a franchise around? Not necessarily “best players” but who you would build a team with considering contract, age, two way play, etc.
It's tough because he has a cup and has dealt with so many injuries but from a pure individual standpoint back in 2015 hype, nah. Was expected to be a legit top 10 player and that never happened sadly.
I personally have Miller over Marner based on dog factor and physical play, I’m not debating or denying how skilled Marner is, I’d just be sick of his playoff antics and lack of physical play and avoiding contact in playoff.
I’m predicting a top ten of, in no particular order : Makar, MacKinnon, kucherov, Matthews, Draisitle, Mcdavid, Pastranak, Rantanen, Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes (Biased AVS fan)
I’m sorry but Adam fox is more of a top 10 defensemen than a top 5. Id take heiskanen, Hughes, and probably dahlin over him any day. Especially since skating is probably the most important skill in this game and he’s not an elite skater
Man he has literally not finished outside of the top 5 of Norris ballot since his rookie year. Yes the skating isn't amazing but he still dominates every aspect both ways.
@@thewalnut4017 Yeah think so. Not totally sure on the order but it would be hard to see anyone else making it into the top ten after the seasons those guys just had.
@@tylerjeuck4040 your profile says it all. Josi is a good player but no where near heiskanen doesn’t log the crazy minutes doesn’t shut down other teams top guys. Trust me buddy losing Ryan McDonagh is gonna hurt ur teams already sub par defense Nashville will not improve that much next year and be bounced in the first round again because of it
@@user-pn3gt2ij5ewho’s been nominated for Norris 3 times and has won once… Josi. Has Heiskanen even been nominated… nope. You clearly have never seen a single Josi highlight. He’s the second best defenseman in the world only behind Makar
@@tylerjeuck4040 you clearly haven’t watched Adam fox or heiskanen stop glazing Josi yeah he’s good arguably top 5 but defensively he’s brutal and heiskanen is a beast defensively and pretty good offensively not as good as josi offensively but definitely a star defenceman offensively and maybe the best shut down guy in the league atm besides slavin
Pettersson had a worse playoffs than Marner and had a slightly better regular season than him yet he stays in the same spot as last offseason and Marner drops 10 spots😭 this is real life bro, players don’t just flip flop and magically become better hockey players than each other every few months. That is so illogical and unrealistic.
I NEED to get this straight. Half way through the season u had Kaprizov out of the top 20 (which he never should have been) and now after a few months u have him jump 10 spots? And Nylander outplays an injured Marner for 1 year and that justifies him being over him? And Quinn Hughes, he outplays Marner for the first time ever and he’s suddenly 13 (!!) spots ahead of him after being 30+ spots BEHIND him less than a year ago?!?!? This seems like a ranking of how well these players HAVE recently been playing rather than an actual ranking of the best players in the league. You’re not being objective Mike. C’mon man. I love u but c’mon.
@@MikeBartner that’s the thing. It’s easy to have tunnel vision and be sour on him right now. That’s what recency bias is. He is objectively a top 15-20 player in the league.
His recency bias with Marner is completely unjustifiable. Less than a year ago he had Marner and Barkov listed next to each other and now suddenly after less than a year Barkov has magically become so much better to the point that they’re going to be nearly 20 spots apart? I HATE recency bias. It’s such a disease among sports fans. People can’t help but be a prisoner of the moment. It’s too tempting.
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JT miller was pretty good defensively last season. Better than prior seasons. Go canucks
Fair fair guess I was kinda comparing him relative to the two following guys which were Stone and Marner.
He was horrific defensively until tocchet took over but really cleaned up his game
MIIIIIKKEEEEEEE. Personally I feel Rantenen should be a little higher, since he kinda gets buried under Mack and Makar. Then again he is my favorite player so yeah
I could see Rantanen as high as 14 but not over the Hugheses
Tkachuk and Barkov top 10 😍
Great video! After this series is done you should make a video going over the biggest risers and fallers (From this time last year).
Definitely can
Quinn Hughes lower than Adam Fox?? 🤔 Seems odd considering the criteria you’ve used to place Fox at 11. I would argue that putting Fox at 13 and pushing both of the Hughes brothers up to 11 & 12 makes more sense.
Fox might (might) have been my Norris pick if he played all 82 and has been better every other year since 2021 than Quinn. It is not solely this season.
@@MikeBartner id argue hughes had a better season last year. Plus had the better rookie season. (both have played 5 seasons) and hughes had by far the best season out of both of there 5 year careers so far. Lets also not forget that while they have both played 5 seasons.. hughes is still younger.
Sebastian Aho😍🤩
Since Kopitar is not in your top 50 where would you rank him?
Love the graphics you’re starting to throw up, if you could balance your face cam and some other graphics like some stats of the players or something to look at on the screen while talking would be sick. Comes from a place of love since the info is always quality 🤝
Yessir!
Brendan Smith snubbed
But would you peg him if he got fewer than 85 pts?
Quinn is a franchise player. #13 isn’t badd but he deserves better than that
everyone ahead of him is better except for fox
@@missstar219 jack Hughes has not done nearly enough to become a franchise player or be rated better over Quinn. Quinn is literally breaking every record there ever was by a defence man on this Canucks team. Idc if a forward gets more points that’s the dumbest argument ever. Adam fox is not on Quinn’s level. He’s at least 11 if not 10 imo
@@jaidenG555 least delusional canucks fan
@@missstar219 I’m stating facts. What’re you an oilers fan just insulting without anything behind your argument lol.
@@missstar21992 point defenceman >>>>> 100 point centre
Josi over Heisk for me, Heskianan is sick but like you said Josis iq is so high which is why I take him currently.
Depends what your team needs, if you got a bunch of DFD's you go Josi but Heiskanen is the more complete two way guy
As a Canucks fan, Pettersson is sooooo overrated and JT is so underrated. Swap the 2 in this list. JT does everything for the team. Has such a bad rep for being bad defensively but he’s literally our top shutdown forward
Mike, love your channel man! Ever consider listing players who you would start a franchise around? Not necessarily “best players” but who you would build a team with considering contract, age, two way play, etc.
He released a video 5 days ago specifically on this topic
Did it last week!!!!
HQHAHHA
@@mahockey3 no way, I had no idea. I’ll check it out, thanks bro!
Scheifele snubbed. PPG, combined with his best defensive season of his career
FILLLL! IM NOT GONNA CRY
HAHAHAHAAHAH
Kirill top 8 next year
MIRO ‼️
YESSUH
Mike off topic has Jack eichel lived up to his hype?
It's tough because he has a cup and has dealt with so many injuries but from a pure individual standpoint back in 2015 hype, nah. Was expected to be a legit top 10 player and that never happened sadly.
Is Jason robertson fast? When a watch him he looks bad at skating but hella shot
Had to see where William Nylander was ranked cuz u told me to
I personally have Miller over Marner based on dog factor and physical play, I’m not debating or denying how skilled Marner is, I’d just be sick of his playoff antics and lack of physical play and avoiding contact in playoff.
I wonder who #1 will be🤔
Probably Logan Stanley
Definitely Joel Edmundson.
Phil kessel
I’m predicting a top ten of, in no particular order : Makar, MacKinnon, kucherov, Matthews, Draisitle, Mcdavid, Pastranak, Rantanen, Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes
(Biased AVS fan)
@@CamGoldberg3796 But the wild thing is 2 of those 3 avs players are definitely on there and the other could be argued
My prediction of the last 10 in order
1. Mcdavid
2. Matthews
3. Kucherov
4. McKinnon
5. Barkov
6. Draisatl
7. Pasta
8. Tkachuk
9. Makar
10. Crosby
Innnnnttteerrressstinnngggg
Barkov is not a top 5 player can we stop with this cup bias
Fox is not better then either Hughes.
Ya idk wtf that ranking is
Recency bias is a hell of a drug
Roope Hintz?
Nah he had a big down year, gotta bounceback.
You’re gonna do WHAT to Roman Josi?!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m sorry but Adam fox is more of a top 10 defensemen than a top 5. Id take heiskanen, Hughes, and probably dahlin over him any day. Especially since skating is probably the most important skill in this game and he’s not an elite skater
Man he has literally not finished outside of the top 5 of Norris ballot since his rookie year. Yes the skating isn't amazing but he still dominates every aspect both ways.
@@MikeBartner maybe he gets a bump in attention because he plays in the east and on the rangers.
No Florida players is questionable
Bro Dahlin is way better than hiskanen and mcavoy lmao and having hiskanen at 15 is wild 😂😂
We watching the same Heiskanen?
McJesus, Mack, Barkov, Papi, Drai, Kuch, Pasta, Makar, Tkachuk, Crosby?
Top 10 prolly
@@thewalnut4017 Yeah think so. Not totally sure on the order but it would be hard to see anyone else making it into the top ten after the seasons those guys just had.
@@willb6913 no doubt, I'd think Barkov and Crosby are 10-9 and after that i could see any order besides mcdavid being 1
Hughes Petterson Miller boeser demko
jt disrespect crazy quinn is higher as well
Panarin at 18 and Rantanen at 16.Nahhhhh
The Moose is a beast
@@MikeBartner I'm Not a Ranger;but Panarin is 100% above Crosby,Barkov or Tkachuk
@@TheKing-wf9es I feel like Panarin should be higher, like around 15
@@TheKing-wf9es Lmao tf you smoking?
Josi is top 10 imo. No way is Miro above Josi💀
Josi is not better than hesikanen
@@user-pn3gt2ij5eEASILY. He’s basically Makar but older and better defensively. He rarely makes mistakes
@@tylerjeuck4040 your profile says it all. Josi is a good player but no where near heiskanen doesn’t log the crazy minutes doesn’t shut down other teams top guys. Trust me buddy losing Ryan McDonagh is gonna hurt ur teams already sub par defense Nashville will not improve that much next year and be bounced in the first round again because of it
@@user-pn3gt2ij5ewho’s been nominated for Norris 3 times and has won once… Josi. Has Heiskanen even been nominated… nope. You clearly have never seen a single Josi highlight. He’s the second best defenseman in the world only behind Makar
@@tylerjeuck4040 you clearly haven’t watched Adam fox or heiskanen stop glazing Josi yeah he’s good arguably top 5 but defensively he’s brutal and heiskanen is a beast defensively and pretty good offensively not as good as josi offensively but definitely a star defenceman offensively and maybe the best shut down guy in the league atm besides slavin
Pettersson had a worse playoffs than Marner and had a slightly better regular season than him yet he stays in the same spot as last offseason and Marner drops 10 spots😭 this is real life bro, players don’t just flip flop and magically become better hockey players than each other every few months. That is so illogical and unrealistic.
I NEED to get this straight. Half way through the season u had Kaprizov out of the top 20 (which he never should have been) and now after a few months u have him jump 10 spots? And Nylander outplays an injured Marner for 1 year and that justifies him being over him? And Quinn Hughes, he outplays Marner for the first time ever and he’s suddenly 13 (!!) spots ahead of him after being 30+ spots BEHIND him less than a year ago?!?!? This seems like a ranking of how well these players HAVE recently been playing rather than an actual ranking of the best players in the league. You’re not being objective Mike. C’mon man. I love u but c’mon.
I won't lie Jacob, I never should have moved down Kaprizov that was stupid, however I have soured on Marner.
@@MikeBartner that’s the thing. It’s easy to have tunnel vision and be sour on him right now. That’s what recency bias is. He is objectively a top 15-20 player in the league.
Marner is so underrated
I used to rate him high but every postseason he gets tossed around
It's not Marners fault.Boston or Tampa is just really Bad Matchup for him.Otherwise He would be easily a point per Game Player in the Playoffs
His recency bias with Marner is completely unjustifiable. Less than a year ago he had Marner and Barkov listed next to each other and now suddenly after less than a year Barkov has magically become so much better to the point that they’re going to be nearly 20 spots apart? I HATE recency bias. It’s such a disease among sports fans. People can’t help but be a prisoner of the moment. It’s too tempting.
@@MikeBartner yes but you had Robertson above him 🤦♂️