Friendly neighbourhood Judo black belt here! Here you have the Japanese name of the throws, with the timestamps and a bit of commentary. By the way, as there are some names that I don't know or might be wrong, feel free to correct me! DISCLAIMER: I know that Judo isn't the only martial art with throws, so I'm just giving my perspective on it. 0:10 Daki age or body slam. Long ago it was allowed in competition, but it was banned after people went to the hospital because of it. When you managed to lift your partner that way, it was already a win and they didn't allow you to continue with the throw. 1:07 Axe kick or kakato geri for our karate friends th-cam.com/video/QO0X3H3uYPk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SportsForEver 1:55 Question mark kick th-cam.com/users/shortscULpAU7n05I Us Judo guys don't fare well against kicks that change directions. In traditional Judo dojos we learn self defence against basic kicks, anything that change directions will floor us! 2:07 Yet another axe kick 2:41 sweep (not any bjj sweep, relax my bjj bros!!) to kick. This is what I was talking about previously, when a person that doesn't strike gets two different directions or feebacks (low kick sweep to face kick) they will probably end up bruised 3:06 Judoka crying 3:25 Our Judo friend is making a huge mistake: instead of going for grappling and throws, he's just going for the legs, ducking his head, so he presented his face to Taekkyon guy's foot. We'll discuss this further later. 3:45 Leg grabs are always allowed in Judo, but not in competition Judo, unless it's a counter or a way to perform another technique. Judo as a martial art has different ways of practice, both standing and ground: Uchi komi (static practice), geiko (you throw, I throw), randori (freestyle sparring), Shiai (competition), kata (form study). Leg grabs are ONLY banned in competition, but as most dojos aren't dojos, but gyms, they only focus on competition and the ruleset. This guy is competition Judo guy. 4:17 yet another ... axe kick 4:52 Finally something interesting! He went for a uchi mata th-cam.com/video/iUpSu5J-bgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN but he didn't offbalance properly and got countered with uchi mata sukashi. This is the book version of the counter th-cam.com/video/V-RS3uhtVWM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN and this is what happened th-cam.com/users/shortsmD5AgE8P-Zw Judoka guy knows what happened, but he's ashamed he got countered 6:14 normaly when youre doing Judo sparring, they will use a tomoe nage if you have your arms stiff like that, I think Judo guy could've gone for it th-cam.com/users/shortspFzba4ZpSlY 6:25 a high level judo technique: Sode tsurikomi goshi. This technique is the same as the question mark kick for non strikers: it changes directions. It looks like he's going for a left side throw, but he takes the sleeve and goes to the right th-cam.com/video/QsmAxpmYLOI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN 6:55 Uchi mata th-cam.com/video/iUpSu5J-bgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN He still didn't offbalance properly, but it was a good throw 7:20 Leg grab to inner leg sweep or ko uchi gari th-cam.com/users/shortsRmwMFnu9OkI Finally he got the legs! If he had been a traditional Judo guy he would've gone for a double leg or single leg takedown 7:48 Seoi otoshi th-cam.com/video/vu1TMVNnq34/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN It was a good throw, but a bit dangerous as the Taekkyon guy could've got his neck broken It's uncontested: the Taekkyon guy won for sure. My thoughts: I do think that Tkyn guy is not a grapler, once the Judo guy got his grips it was over. I also think that the Judoka was not used to competing against different styles: when you face a kicker you have to close the range and go for grappling, even submissions (Bjj comes from old school Kosen Judo, Maeda taught gracie and Kimura was amazing too). His style only focuses on throws, and he had huge issues with grips (he didn't train no gi at all). Once he got the grips, the throws came for sure, I still think he needed to close the distance gap more, and he could've tried to get only one sleeve grips to go sideways and dodge the kicks, but it's easy to talk behind my keyboard and screen 🤣 Thanks for reading this comment, I hope y'all have a great day! Oss!!
"I think the Judoka was not used to competing against different styles." I think this is the crux of the issue. As a Judoka, I regularly seek out the opportunity to fight BJJers, Wrestlers, and fighters from other styles. I've even done a limited amount of sparring with strikers. Judo competition shouldn't be the only marker regarding our arts effectiveness.
I like Icy Mike's perspective: "you want to be really good at one thing, and know enough of the rest to funnel the fight towards that." Had the Judoka had a small amount of exposure to striking, he would have done much better here.
@ I'm a Judo black belt and hate to tell you this, but he is. There's a certain type of Judoka that is only interested in staying within the confines of Judo competition- whereas Jiu Jitsu fighters and Wrestlers are often more eager to step outside their comfort zone and become more well rounded fighters.
reminds me of a kick boxer from the 80's called "Superfoot" . Dude broke one leg in a motorcycle accident BEFORE his combat career and ended up being champion with 4 kicks and a left leg . He threw a lot of kicks that looked like that hook kick .
@@hughgrection7246 Bill Wallace. He made a film with Jackie Chan too. He was the bad guy. He's famous and used only one kick to fight, with the rule not to kick the legs.
As someone who has practiced and enjoys martial arts, this is the first time I've heard of Taekkyon. Great watch and commentary. Just goes to show that having a full repertoire of skills is so essential.
Taekkyon is Korean. Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do are a blend of Taekkyon and Shotokan. Hap Ki Do is a blend of Taekkyon, Shotokan, and Daito Ryu Aiki Jujitsu.
@@RedFoxGrappler it’s rare ( maybe for me) to see Taekkyon, such a graceful art being that underrated, much my first exposure to it was from God of Highscool 😭.
It's very hard for a striker to spar lightly with a grappler. Because if a striker pulls his kick or punch with a grappler, the grappler of course won't really be rocked by the hit and will just clinch or grab the kick. In light contact like this, the grappler has a really big advantage and can just rush the striker and doesn't even have to think twice about getting hit for real.
Judoka could have done much better. But, I think it’s a mentality thing, more than Judo itself. He is really only missing one thing…. AGGRESSION. If he was way more aggressive in sticking on the inside range, rather than hanging back right in perfect kicking range, he could have done much better. And even when he starts going in toward the end, his body is still hanging back. He gets the throw but makes it way harder on himself by not actually stepping in and making the guy carry his weight, while trying to unbalance him. Well two things… because Aggression also requires TIMING. He can find a buddy who training something else and have him help with timing entry around different random punches and kicks. He’ll be okay :)
NGL, I'm not a Judoka and grew up with boxing, but I feel like this video shouldn't be considered in what FCB is trying to do. The Judoka makes one of the basic mistakes that all fighters make at some point: he ONLY defends. Throughout the video you see the Judoka do "martial artsy" hand motions and occasionally grab at the striker, but never once does he actually commit to anything that would put the fight into "his" rulebook. Over and over again he just absent-mindedly waves a hand at the striker's foot as it obviously misses a kick...followed up by nothing other than standing still and waiting to get hit. It happens over and over and over...until magically the Takkeon guy suddenly starts either not kicking (or obviously pulling his kicks) and 'out of nowhere' the Judoka gains the spine to commit to a move and...! Immediately it's ended once people sit down. This is an insanely odd fight clip to try to narrate over, from one fighter who refuses to do anything other than flashy kicks that would get most MMA ("Takkeon is more of an 'MMA' kind of style") dudes instantly taken out to a fighter who refuses to actually try to grapple when that's, like...allegedly his whole shtick..? And then once he 'does' start to grapple he gets the guy on the mat a few times, only for the fight to immediately be paused......and the narrator to go wild that somehow the grappler underdog 'somehow' managed to do it, followed by a lot of shoulder-patting because he saw that a fighter who kicks a lot against a grappler would be.......grabbed by the leg..? Really kind of not impressed here- not by the fighters who seemed like they were having fun, but by the youtuber in general who picked a really odd piece of footage and really loved the thought that they could understand how the fight would go as a self proclaimed fight commentator watching a kicker vs. a grappler.
If you watch the original video they discuss that they each score points based on their own rulesets, so it's understandable that he's not charging in. If he gets kicked while getting his grips then the other guy will score a point. Admittedly, the judoka is at a huge disadvantage since he's forced to play the Taekkyon guy's game before he can even make an attack. This is just a friendly competition on a Korean variety show though. Cho Junho already got his bronze medal at the olympics and luckily has a really funny personality (along with his twin brother) so I wouldn't take this too seriously.
I agree that a grappler without striking is limited as a fighter. However the title of the video is misleading since here the grappler finds some success against the striker. Learn both striking and grappling and don't talk badly about either one.
Those Taekkyon kicks were fantastic. Just beautiful. I had a judoka friend years ago built like a Mack truck. He was a construction worker by trade and was hella strong. He would absorb the strike or kick and close in for the kill, just crushing his opponent. Only time I escaped his attack was with a well-timed jump spinning back kick to his face as he charged in. He just stood there, lights on but nobody home. Granted, later in our match, he broke my nose. 😆 The 90s were awesome.
Untrained person vs trained grappler yeah, punching probably is just going to annoy the person who will soon be holding you down and making you totally helpless. Tiny minority of people are trained so it's actually pretty solid advice.
@@kermit1211 I train with multiple people with different judo styles from around the world. Wrestlers and bjjkas are also part of our club. I think it is all grappling and the techniques within the syles are all very similar.. they just have different styles. So instead of wrestler you could just say grappler.
@@kermit1211 what do you mean by environment? I know that there are skill levels/gaps in judo, wrestling and bjj. If a high level judoka and a high level wrestler are fighting without gi or with gi, you always will see high level grappling. It is very rare that they outmatch each other. Ofc they have different rules. But they all have their pros and cons. I for example just learned a little no gi but could adapt it fast. If you have a good understanding in general grappling you can adapt fast.
the thing about judo or any other type of grappler/ wrestler is that is easier to introduce striken after you have lern it than the other way around, this is what usually happens in UFC, a wrestler introduces basic striking and the full strikers know that they are probably in a disadvantage and play defensibly, and end up on the back foot, and they are just siting ducks at that point.
Taekkyon is the true king of foot fighting sytems ,imo. Less about heavy striking,but more sweeps,unexpected kicks to head,wrestling base,and lots of evasion and movement. They can turn jumping in tactic,stepping over the opponent.
"the thing about human psychology. Once he knows he's vulnerable he's going to get thrown again." Reminds me of "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Also reminds me a lesson for competitions, the first thing you should do is let the other guy know you can hit him (kind of mentality).
Remember when anderson silva finally got popped after he had that three year win streak? He was never the same again. This stuff even happens in the top levels.
The trick in sparring is that strikers are testing techniques rather than going all out. Grapplers can go nearly all out almost all of the time. They can ignore a shot that would have rocked, injured, or even KO'd them delivered at full power. But since it's impolite to break you sparring partners, we dont go all out when we strike.
It kind of goes the other way too. Going all out, all joint locks would result in broken limbs and all chokes would result in death. Fortunately, grapplers hold back against strikers and other grapplers.
@elenchus I was thinking about that. I've been teaching my main student a series of very nasty joint manipulations. Not much fine motor skill needed, and can be used in sparring to a point. But if you follow through with it, it destroys the ligaments & tendons in the shoulder and elbow at the same time. Utterly brutal technique and easy to apply with a little practice.
@ Yeah, I adore them. Everyone jokes about "dim mak" kung fu techniques that can destroy someone in a single move, but with submission fighting you get a sort of real-life equivalent. The variety of joint locks and chokes is just dizzying.
Well. If you really got strike in the head or body with full power, the grappler might not even get a chance to fight back. Friendly practice is fine, but finding out which style is better is not a fair game since strikers mostly don’t intend to punch or kick to kill. Like those power breaking the boards. Of course we are also assuming the striker can land the strike with precision and power in a moving target. (Indeed he has that skill to deliver the blow multiple times but grappler has protective gear and striker control the power of his kick) Again, fight like this is never a fair fight….this striker is also missing mid range and close range striking technique…and his striking technique is incomplete….and that is why he got thrown..
That judo vs taekkyon part looks like it's from a korean variety show where they have guests come on and show off their skills. I don't think the judo guy was actually trying to go at him, rather the point is to highlight the guest's skills.
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Btw, the cut you were looking at was probably from prior episodes of the same show where that same judoka, Cho Junho, faced off against other styles: Jiujitsu, Kendo, and Taekwondo. It's a throw he's really good at. That throw where he grabbed both sleeves and spun to throw was probably a Sode Tsurikomi goshi (double sleeve hip throw, I think?)
3:30 This one was just a perfect version of what happens when a person does not see the strike coming. Even with half strikes, you can see how it really affected him even when the kicks are not hitting for distance.
Taekkyeon guy was impressive. A few observations tho: at first, that headgear the judo guy was wearing has that nose protection, but it blocks the vision, especially from things coming from below, like feet hehe. When they change the headgear and then he can see, things change, but still, you see in the first two throws the teakkyeon guy didnt end at the bottom, in my opinion, giving your back to throw someone and ending down under the opponent is certainly a bad thing. In any case, i didnt even think taekkyeon was to be taken seriously as a martial art, i thought it was more like a sportish cultural thing they have, like ssireum.
Rather than a sport, taekkyeon has a cultural dance element like capoeira. But it is a serious martial art. I've seen a taekkyeon master with hand/fist hardening, and if you've seen anyone with those features (really thick/tough hands), they're impressive.
Some taekkyeon guys are trying to be serious mma fighters yes, but official taekkyeon rule is leaned toward the sportive culture. Not meant to really hurt your opponent.
That drop seoinage was kinda scary. There are vids here on yt that show people eat that throw and not move again (at least, under their own power). Great post! I love watching taekkyon. Taekkyon guy did fantastically, but I was hoping to see him get in some of taekkyon's own formidable throws!
Kicks were fantastic but the problem was he had no midrange or short range weapons so once judoka got past the moat it was basically over. Not sure if they were allowing punches and knees though.
90% of striking is useless and pointless as both combatants have to essentially agree to move around and strike each other. Once one decides to grapple, the fight is greatly tilted in his favor. This is why strikers should exclusively target vital areas and blocking is mostly a waste of time. Funny enough it's Tai chi chuan that mainly seemed to understand this once before it got watered down to dancing
@@Okiji477 what none sense? Once a grappler decides to take you to the ground you are going to go to the ground, by experience the best you can do is backing off and try to counter punch the grapplers step ins. But the moment you get cornered, miss a punch, lose balance, whatever mistake you make, you'll be in a place you don't want to be
Oof that las throw must have hurt. Imagine that on effing concrete. Great showcase of what happens when you have no or little training in one of both areas, you are just completely blindsided, even the most basic stuff can get you.
At 1:43 that is called a "Twisting Kick." Notoriously difficult to do and very rarely taught anymore. If it is taught it usually as a one-off and not drilled like round house or side kick. The speed with which he did that kick is unreal. You are trying to strike with the ball of the foot. If he did so, it was not caught on camera which may be just how fast it was. His speed exceeded the camera's frame rate.
TKD has (or had) one similar. Like a front snap kick, but shoots well to the outside. Used to catch a moving opponent that's off to the side a little, right in the face/head with the ball of the foot. Good special tool to have on hand, rarely used but effective at just the right time.
It’s an inner snapping crescent kick. That’s what we called it! Some of us coming from traditional arts used it in mixed martial arts as a surprise attack or decoy attack to the inner leg as well combining the technique with lead hooks because automatically puts you in a southpaw stance, straight left or pro Wrestling clothesline or ridge hand, Judo or Sanda hip toss. It’s more versatile than the mid or high snapping crescent kick. Because you can attack with succession after the initial low snapping crescent kick
@@godofredo404Samart Payakaroon or baby face killer was versatile in his attacks. Most people don’t know that he also has a pro boxing record and used boxing to get the upper hand, literally, against many of his opponents who were just Muay Thai, such as elbows, knees and low kicks. One of the few who mastered Boxing as well. Samart also incorporated the side push kick because it’s harder to grab the leg and get thrown. Something that Superlek implements today as well. The difference is that Samart did that during the golden years of Muay Thai between the 70’s and 90’s. And going back to your point. Samart Samart, was known to also blend traditional techniques with the ability to surprise opponents with less conventional strikes, such as the crescent kick. Samart’s overall skill and versatility allowed him to incorporate this and combine them with other advanced strikes. Samart is the reason why when I was competing, I would always throw the staple roundhouse kick from different angles along with broken rhythm. Sometimes coming low. Other times high. So that the opponent can’t read my pattern or get my timing. Others have showed me how to not telegraph. But as a fan of charismatic Muay Thai. I watched his tapes over and over to learn the baby face killer was an unassuming genius
I had a Tae Kwon Do base, dabbled in Kung Fu, Boxing, Hapkido, Aiki-Jiu Jitsu, Kyokushin Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai then back to Boxing. Traditional martial arts when combined with prized fighting arts such as Boxing and Muay Thai is incredibly technical and helps you understand it deeper. This is why I have a deep respect for traditional martial arts
J, been a long time since we hung out with Paris and Bill by Santa Monica beach. Glad to see this one. 5:58 Brother, you called it perfectly and saw this like you were reading the Matrix. I highlight to me is seeing a striker get face-smashed to the mat, but only after the early vid 0:56 of a striker smashing a grappler. I admit the warrior needs to see this without the smash censored. Haha I hope you are well. If in Nebraska, let me know and the boba is on me.
Really like how the Taekkyon fighter did some handfighting leading into those kicks, and with enough hip dexterity to snap kicks up to the head from punching distance! Great control too, touching with speed but not so much that the Judo fighter's going to get a nasty headache.
I did Judo for 2 years loved it definitely has it uses but they just teach it for Olympic style competitions we very rarely did No-Gi training which disappointed me cause when we did it I enjoyed it more & it fun to see how some of the black belts mainly the cocky ones dealt with it. Shame more judo dojos dont teach it more for actual defence
The Taekkyon example shown is essentially one glimpse of old school TKD. In that clip, it may as well have labelled it TKD, except I don't know if TKD used hand grabs like that. Also not sure if TKD used to do low kicks to the calves. Maybe, though.
Tae Kyon kicks definitely not your standard TKD angles. Legs are skillfully used to hook and bite as they go around the guard, and include the upper body to generate force and create openings. This Judo guy is patient and brave. Nice Uchimata too.
What worries me the most is the lack of control by the Judoka after the throw. It seems like all he cares about is getting the throw, regardless of how they land or what happens afterwards. His instinct seems to be to just stop fighting after the throw. Made me think of Armchair Violence's video on Judo.
The only head gear work was the one that Kudo Karate that they use. There was a footage that MMA fighter sparring with Kudo black belt and the black belt delivery a head kick to MMA fighter and if not because of the helmet, that MMA fighter already knocked out cold.
This debunks the myth of those who believe that jujitsu is an ultimate art of fighting. A person can learn what they want, if your style isn't preparing you to engage in some form of fighting where people are resisting each other than that school is doing the students a disservice with their training
As cool as those Judo throws look, in 3 out of 4 cases the judoka fell together with the blue guy, with both of them on the ground and his back facing his opponent... not a very attractive situation. Although I admit on a concrete pavement that last takedown would probably end the fight.
Mf that is an Olympic judo athlete. Not legit my ass just because he got his asses handed to him a couple of times doesn't mean he's bad. That is his first time against taekyon so of course he's wary
A skilled kicker can pose some serious threats to a 'grappler', in a protracted encounter. A determined wrestler could still be a credible threat, by way of the swift double leg tackle and though. The kicker would need to have Expert timing, to land a telling blow, against the incoming tackle
Surprised judo giy didn't get a heel to the chin, he was wide open a few times. But I am looking at it from a TKD perspective. I am unfamiliar with TKD... although it was very similar in this clip.
Once again , a moron compares everything to UFC. There are millions of martial artists around the world, some incredibly tough and capable ones. The huge majority would not lower their ethical or moral standards to compete in the American cesspool of UFC. Plenty of better fight leagues across the world but you stick to believing shitheads like McGregor and Rousey set the standard for the world's martial artists 🤣
i feel like the tekkyon guy wouldn't be able to do that with a wrestler. as soon as the fight starts what's stopping the wrestler from shooting a blast double? even if the tekkyon guy knows how to grapple the wrestler has now immediately put the striker on the defensive and brought him into his world without even having to deal with the striker's kicks.
I think the judoka is still a total fish out of water when striking is added so he just hangs back and absorbs shots. He needs to go take some yoseikan budo classes so he can learn to use his judo in MMA, among other things. Even without though, if he just had some aggression and self-confidence to get inside and grab things, then work from there he'd be fine. It seems like the gi-only training has done him a disservice outside of the realm of judo.
No they didn't allowed leg grip in olympic judo. I think the Judoka is from the old days were leg grips are allowed. I also think he is massively humble. It is common that judokas get taught to be light and humble against non grapplers/white belts in judo. If they do not it is considered as disrespectful and egoistic. I dont wanna down play the skill of the taekwondo guy, he is a amazing athlete and have a nice style. Btw the second throw called sode tsuri goshi. :)
Initially the judo guy didn't control the interval. That is why the other guy just kick him to keep judo guy from grabbing. Later the judo guy did close the interval n was able to execute few throws. The ither guy's uniform is not judo - no flaps on arms n legs to grab on.
Taekyon is the roots for taekwondo. So in a way it's "ancient" martial art lol,it allow striking and grappling. In this video that guy only uses kicks that was being pulled back like everytime he's kicking and he somehow still manage to land those kicks. While that judo guy finally grow a pair after realising that the taekyon guy ain't going all out so he finally realise he can just storm in,grab the guy and throw as fast as he can lol. Seriously striking isn't WEAKER than grappling. Never is and never will
So I'm not an expert but i would say taekkyeon isn't like an mma system, it's more like a game like capoeira or sumo wrestling From what i understand it's basically a point fight, and the only two ways to get points is with a head kick or a sweep/throw which is, you know, bonkers and leads to taekkyeon kicks to be extremely interesting. There is also music, like in capoeira or muay thai and there's a rhythm step kinda like the ginga. Lately there have been some cool stuff surfacing online of taekkyeon guys in korea doing cool shit with kickboxing, etc.
This grappler isn't grappling. GRAB him. This guy wasn't even trying to grab. Charge through. Try this on any hig school level wrestler. This striker would be demolished.
Taekkyon guy was not using a lot of the kicks and sweeps, takedowns and hand techniques that Taekkyon has... disappointing. Taekkyeon is much more than just kicking.
These videos are the absolute lamest cope videos on the internet. There’s literally hundreds of thousands of examples of grapplers mauling strikers and you cherry pick a few examples like it means anything at all. Ohh he would be knocked out, ohh he would have died from a snap kick to the head. Ohh his head would have come clean off his shoulders if he didn’t have head gear. Stop coping. MMA has proven you need to cross train and that’s ok.
Strikers always kill grapplers, even so many rules to protect grapplers, most of the time strikers win lmfao. There are more knockouts than submissions in UFC. The ONLY way a grappler can beat a striker is when the grappler learns some basic striking to keep hands up.
Is it this why many bouncers and police officers learn judo? Or that now top dominating ufc fighters have a judo background? Don't take this korean show as a good example.. the Judoka there have just the intention of having some fun and do some sport. He is very kind and humble. Even when I have some good judo and striking skills, I don't want to have beef with some high level judokas in my country on the street. Bc I know I will get thrown around without a slight chance. 😂 I dont want to say judo is the ultimate fighting system, but don't underestimate it. It is limited.. but so is boxing. It saved my and my friends lives many times. Just go into a good club and try it for sometime for yourself and than you can decide if it is effective.
@@ztrewqqwertz8997 They learn judo to control the aggressive people. You wnt them to learn Muay thai, and one leg kick breaks peoples legs? Law suit? LMFAO!
@@iROChakri it seem as it works well in real life. Especially if you do dirty judo or adapt it for your job. Thats the point. Btw the police and bouncers strike too. They all don't just do judo. I know bouncers who do boxing or muay thai. One I know also do judo and muay thai. Our Police learn german ju jutsu and judo. So they learn also how to strike and they using it. Also I know that kicks don't break legs that fast. Throwing people without considering giving them a little help can break bones fast or can end up with major damage/deadly. So these professionals have to learn how to adapt judo for their job. I think you didn't quite catch the point.
I dont see submission grapplers as representing Jiujitsu, certainly not Gracie Jiujitsu. I look forward to someone trying the original UFC goncept again, and gotting away from this sport silliness that confuses folks today.
The problem that occurred here, was inexperienced Judoka. Grappling is definitely a strikers bane, but due to the current state of martial arts, most Grapplers don’t get to fight strikers unless it is MMA. Check out Rhonda Rousey, she dominated in MMA with Judo, but lost when she tried to play as a striker.
The jiujitsu guy finally did the right thing with underhooking the leg (so few that make it onto TH-cam seem to know this easy technique), but if you do get picked up like that in his armbar, you just let go and scramble. But I get it, you feel like you're inches from victory and if you hold on you can get it. For me, I'm just letting go.
Gracie brainwashed us to believe that BJJ is the only martial art that will destroy every style. Then, Michael Jai White explains that Boxing can counter BJJ.
I can respect judo as an enhancement type style, but as a standalone style i am not a fan. Any style can benefit from multiple studies, but i dont feel that there are many judokas that can make it work on its own. Its just too much of a point fighting system, imo.
Lots of judokas are really effective against strikers in style vs. style, but this guy in particular, despite being very successful in judo, seems to struggle.
Depends on the fighter like always. Good judo gives you the ability to handle situations for self defense quite well.. Don't get fooled by one retired judoka who is extremely humble and just want to have fun. Judo just as its own in mma wouldnt be the best. Thats why recently ufc fighters who have a wrestling and judo background also know how to strike. And it seems they doing well. Since there are recent successful ufc fighters with a judo/wrestling background, I recognized that more and more people from mma and bjj get interested in judo. Our club got many new people from these combat sports. I think people understand that judo can give you the opportunity to understand grappling in a different way. Btw there is also submission in judo (what is a point but it is also a submission).
@@elenchus Its a tired cliche, but sometimes it really comes down to the fighter, not the style. We've seen amazing grapplers who straight up never develop good striking no matter now much they try.
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Sometimes it is just boring bc you can't understand what's going on^^ Ofc some fighters are just in a clinch and don't change the position for minutes. It is boring but it is part of grappling. If there are two good grapplers and ther roll fluently, I find it quite spectacular.
Grappling usually relies on brute strength only. That's why they're exerting force to try to throw each other, and it becomes stagnant. Think of you easily threw your younger brother around, without knowing any Judo or Wrestling.
Friendly neighbourhood Judo black belt here!
Here you have the Japanese name of the throws, with the timestamps and a bit of commentary. By the way, as there are some names that I don't know or might be wrong, feel free to correct me!
DISCLAIMER: I know that Judo isn't the only martial art with throws, so I'm just giving my perspective on it.
0:10 Daki age or body slam. Long ago it was allowed in competition, but it was banned after people went to the hospital because of it. When you managed to lift your partner that way, it was already a win and they didn't allow you to continue with the throw.
1:07 Axe kick or kakato geri for our karate friends th-cam.com/video/QO0X3H3uYPk/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=SportsForEver
1:55 Question mark kick th-cam.com/users/shortscULpAU7n05I Us Judo guys don't fare well against kicks that change directions. In traditional Judo dojos we learn self defence against basic kicks, anything that change directions will floor us!
2:07 Yet another axe kick
2:41 sweep (not any bjj sweep, relax my bjj bros!!) to kick. This is what I was talking about previously, when a person that doesn't strike gets two different directions or feebacks (low kick sweep to face kick) they will probably end up bruised
3:06 Judoka crying
3:25 Our Judo friend is making a huge mistake: instead of going for grappling and throws, he's just going for the legs, ducking his head, so he presented his face to Taekkyon guy's foot. We'll discuss this further later.
3:45 Leg grabs are always allowed in Judo, but not in competition Judo, unless it's a counter or a way to perform another technique. Judo as a martial art has different ways of practice, both standing and ground: Uchi komi (static practice), geiko (you throw, I throw), randori (freestyle sparring), Shiai (competition), kata (form study). Leg grabs are ONLY banned in competition, but as most dojos aren't dojos, but gyms, they only focus on competition and the ruleset. This guy is competition Judo guy.
4:17 yet another ... axe kick
4:52 Finally something interesting! He went for a uchi mata th-cam.com/video/iUpSu5J-bgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN but he didn't offbalance properly and got countered with uchi mata sukashi. This is the book version of the counter th-cam.com/video/V-RS3uhtVWM/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN and this is what happened th-cam.com/users/shortsmD5AgE8P-Zw Judoka guy knows what happened, but he's ashamed he got countered
6:14 normaly when youre doing Judo sparring, they will use a tomoe nage if you have your arms stiff like that, I think Judo guy could've gone for it th-cam.com/users/shortspFzba4ZpSlY
6:25 a high level judo technique: Sode tsurikomi goshi. This technique is the same as the question mark kick for non strikers: it changes directions. It looks like he's going for a left side throw, but he takes the sleeve and goes to the right th-cam.com/video/QsmAxpmYLOI/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN
6:55 Uchi mata th-cam.com/video/iUpSu5J-bgw/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN He still didn't offbalance properly, but it was a good throw
7:20 Leg grab to inner leg sweep or ko uchi gari th-cam.com/users/shortsRmwMFnu9OkI Finally he got the legs! If he had been a traditional Judo guy he would've gone for a double leg or single leg takedown
7:48 Seoi otoshi th-cam.com/video/vu1TMVNnq34/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=KODOKAN It was a good throw, but a bit dangerous as the Taekkyon guy could've got his neck broken
It's uncontested: the Taekkyon guy won for sure. My thoughts: I do think that Tkyn guy is not a grapler, once the Judo guy got his grips it was over. I also think that the Judoka was not used to competing against different styles: when you face a kicker you have to close the range and go for grappling, even submissions (Bjj comes from old school Kosen Judo, Maeda taught gracie and Kimura was amazing too). His style only focuses on throws, and he had huge issues with grips (he didn't train no gi at all).
Once he got the grips, the throws came for sure, I still think he needed to close the distance gap more, and he could've tried to get only one sleeve grips to go sideways and dodge the kicks, but it's easy to talk behind my keyboard and screen 🤣
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"I think the Judoka was not used to competing against different styles." I think this is the crux of the issue. As a Judoka, I regularly seek out the opportunity to fight BJJers, Wrestlers, and fighters from other styles. I've even done a limited amount of sparring with strikers.
Judo competition shouldn't be the only marker regarding our arts effectiveness.
Great analysis. Thanks!
@@dariodesansebastian tldr
@@dariodesansebastian thank
Moral of the story, study both striking and grappling, then you won't be surprised by what your opponent does.
I like Icy Mike's perspective: "you want to be really good at one thing, and know enough of the rest to funnel the fight towards that."
Had the Judoka had a small amount of exposure to striking, he would have done much better here.
I am a Jiu Jitsu purple belt and judo white belt. I can say that the judo guy is not a black belt.
@ I'm a Judo black belt and hate to tell you this, but he is.
There's a certain type of Judoka that is only interested in staying within the confines of Judo competition- whereas Jiu Jitsu fighters and Wrestlers are often more eager to step outside their comfort zone and become more well rounded fighters.
The Taekkyon kicks were amazing. My old karate roommate used to use those inside out roundhouses a lot.
We do that in Shito Ryu.
@@VikingMale Cool! that's my favorite style of traditional karate
reminds me of a kick boxer from the 80's called "Superfoot" . Dude broke one leg in a motorcycle accident BEFORE his combat career and ended up being champion with 4 kicks and a left leg . He threw a lot of kicks that looked like that hook kick .
@@hughgrection7246 Bill Wallace. Edit: Maybe? I think Bill destroyed his knee in judo, not a motorcycle accident
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Bill Wallace. He made a film with Jackie Chan too. He was the bad guy. He's famous and used only one kick to fight, with the rule not to kick the legs.
As someone who has practiced and enjoys martial arts, this is the first time I've heard of Taekkyon. Great watch and commentary. Just goes to show that having a full repertoire of skills is so essential.
Taekkyon is Korean. Tae Kwon Do and Tang Soo Do are a blend of Taekkyon and Shotokan. Hap Ki Do is a blend of Taekkyon, Shotokan, and Daito Ryu Aiki Jujitsu.
Taekkyon to Taekwondo is basically what Muay Boran is to Muay Thai
@@DarkDoughnutsVidsin that case what you are saying is that tekyon in way better than taekwondo, since muay boran is way better than muay thai.
Taekkyon guy was exceptional! Glad the Judoka found some success there at the end
@@RedFoxGrappler it’s rare ( maybe for me) to see Taekkyon, such a graceful art being that underrated, much my first exposure to it was from God of Highscool 😭.
It's very hard for a striker to spar lightly with a grappler. Because if a striker pulls his kick or punch with a grappler, the grappler of course won't really be rocked by the hit and will just clinch or grab the kick. In light contact like this, the grappler has a really big advantage and can just rush the striker and doesn't even have to think twice about getting hit for real.
This.
Yeah bro deff would've eaten a knee to the face at like 6:00 if it was sparring.
Judoka could have done much better. But, I think it’s a mentality thing, more than Judo itself. He is really only missing one thing…. AGGRESSION. If he was way more aggressive in sticking on the inside range, rather than hanging back right in perfect kicking range, he could have done much better. And even when he starts going in toward the end, his body is still hanging back. He gets the throw but makes it way harder on himself by not actually stepping in and making the guy carry his weight, while trying to unbalance him. Well two things… because Aggression also requires TIMING. He can find a buddy who training something else and have him help with timing entry around different random punches and kicks. He’ll be okay :)
NGL, I'm not a Judoka and grew up with boxing, but I feel like this video shouldn't be considered in what FCB is trying to do. The Judoka makes one of the basic mistakes that all fighters make at some point: he ONLY defends. Throughout the video you see the Judoka do "martial artsy" hand motions and occasionally grab at the striker, but never once does he actually commit to anything that would put the fight into "his" rulebook. Over and over again he just absent-mindedly waves a hand at the striker's foot as it obviously misses a kick...followed up by nothing other than standing still and waiting to get hit. It happens over and over and over...until magically the Takkeon guy suddenly starts either not kicking (or obviously pulling his kicks) and 'out of nowhere' the Judoka gains the spine to commit to a move and...! Immediately it's ended once people sit down.
This is an insanely odd fight clip to try to narrate over, from one fighter who refuses to do anything other than flashy kicks that would get most MMA ("Takkeon is more of an 'MMA' kind of style") dudes instantly taken out to a fighter who refuses to actually try to grapple when that's, like...allegedly his whole shtick..? And then once he 'does' start to grapple he gets the guy on the mat a few times, only for the fight to immediately be paused......and the narrator to go wild that somehow the grappler underdog 'somehow' managed to do it, followed by a lot of shoulder-patting because he saw that a fighter who kicks a lot against a grappler would be.......grabbed by the leg..?
Really kind of not impressed here- not by the fighters who seemed like they were having fun, but by the youtuber in general who picked a really odd piece of footage and really loved the thought that they could understand how the fight would go as a self proclaimed fight commentator watching a kicker vs. a grappler.
If you watch the original video they discuss that they each score points based on their own rulesets, so it's understandable that he's not charging in. If he gets kicked while getting his grips then the other guy will score a point. Admittedly, the judoka is at a huge disadvantage since he's forced to play the Taekkyon guy's game before he can even make an attack. This is just a friendly competition on a Korean variety show though. Cho Junho already got his bronze medal at the olympics and luckily has a really funny personality (along with his twin brother) so I wouldn't take this too seriously.
I agree that a grappler without striking is limited as a fighter. However the title of the video is misleading since here the grappler finds some success against the striker. Learn both striking and grappling and don't talk badly about either one.
This comment is on point.
It goes to show, that it's not the art but the artist.
The taekkyon kicker was extremely flexible, I'm surprised everytime he got a leg up over the other guy's head when the distance between was so small.
Mixing your martial arts is how to be a complete martial artist
A mixed martial artist?
@@billielachatte4841Nah that’s called a jack of all trades, master of none 😅
@@LordFarquaad35 True, in a way. However a master of none oftentimes better than a master of one
“I don’t read Korean guys.”
Do you at least read Korean girls?
😂😂😂
Those Taekkyon kicks were fantastic. Just beautiful.
I had a judoka friend years ago built like a Mack truck. He was a construction worker by trade and was hella strong. He would absorb the strike or kick and close in for the kill, just crushing his opponent.
Only time I escaped his attack was with a well-timed jump spinning back kick to his face as he charged in.
He just stood there, lights on but nobody home.
Granted, later in our match, he broke my nose. 😆
The 90s were awesome.
"When you punch a wrestler in the face they just get more angry." This is something I've actually heard a self proclaimed "expert" say.
Untrained person vs trained grappler yeah, punching probably is just going to annoy the person who will soon be holding you down and making you totally helpless. Tiny minority of people are trained so it's actually pretty solid advice.
I think I know who you're talking about😂. Then again, that dude clearly said Wrestler and not Judoka
@@kermit1211 I train with multiple people with different judo styles from around the world. Wrestlers and bjjkas are also part of our club. I think it is all grappling and the techniques within the syles are all very similar.. they just have different styles. So instead of wrestler you could just say grappler.
@ the techniques are similar but the environment is where it gets different. Atleast for majority of wrestling schools in general
@@kermit1211 what do you mean by environment? I know that there are skill levels/gaps in judo, wrestling and bjj. If a high level judoka and a high level wrestler are fighting without gi or with gi, you always will see high level grappling. It is very rare that they outmatch each other. Ofc they have different rules. But they all have their pros and cons. I for example just learned a little no gi but could adapt it fast. If you have a good understanding in general grappling you can adapt fast.
the thing about judo or any other type of grappler/ wrestler is that is easier to introduce striken after you have lern it than the other way around, this is what usually happens in UFC, a wrestler introduces basic striking and the full strikers know that they are probably in a disadvantage and play defensibly, and end up on the back foot, and they are just siting ducks at that point.
Yep. Great point!
Taekkyon is the true king of foot fighting sytems ,imo. Less about heavy striking,but more sweeps,unexpected kicks to head,wrestling base,and lots of evasion and movement. They can turn jumping in tactic,stepping over the opponent.
@@junichiroyamashita those kicks don't have enough power
"the thing about human psychology. Once he knows he's vulnerable he's going to get thrown again." Reminds me of "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face." Also reminds me a lesson for competitions, the first thing you should do is let the other guy know you can hit him (kind of mentality).
Remember when anderson silva finally got popped after he had that three year win streak? He was never the same again. This stuff even happens in the top levels.
The trick in sparring is that strikers are testing techniques rather than going all out. Grapplers can go nearly all out almost all of the time. They can ignore a shot that would have rocked, injured, or even KO'd them delivered at full power. But since it's impolite to break you sparring partners, we dont go all out when we strike.
It kind of goes the other way too. Going all out, all joint locks would result in broken limbs and all chokes would result in death. Fortunately, grapplers hold back against strikers and other grapplers.
@elenchus I was thinking about that. I've been teaching my main student a series of very nasty joint manipulations. Not much fine motor skill needed, and can be used in sparring to a point. But if you follow through with it, it destroys the ligaments & tendons in the shoulder and elbow at the same time. Utterly brutal technique and easy to apply with a little practice.
@ Yeah, I adore them. Everyone jokes about "dim mak" kung fu techniques that can destroy someone in a single move, but with submission fighting you get a sort of real-life equivalent. The variety of joint locks and chokes is just dizzying.
Well. If you really got strike in the head or body with full power, the grappler might not even get a chance to fight back.
Friendly practice is fine, but finding out which style is better is not a fair game since strikers mostly don’t intend to punch or kick to kill. Like those power breaking the boards. Of course we are also assuming the striker can land the strike with precision and power in a moving target. (Indeed he has that skill to deliver the blow multiple times but grappler has protective gear and striker control the power of his kick)
Again, fight like this is never a fair fight….this striker is also missing mid range and close range striking technique…and his striking technique is incomplete….and that is why he got thrown..
The name of the judoka's effective first throw is: "sode-tsuri-komi-goshi"
That judo vs taekkyon part looks like it's from a korean variety show where they have guests come on and show off their skills. I don't think the judo guy was actually trying to go at him, rather the point is to highlight the guest's skills.
coming from judo and taekwondo, the "judoka vs taekkyon" one is like watching mum and dad fighting
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Btw, the cut you were looking at was probably from prior episodes of the same show where that same judoka, Cho Junho, faced off against other styles: Jiujitsu, Kendo, and Taekwondo. It's a throw he's really good at. That throw where he grabbed both sleeves and spun to throw was probably a Sode Tsurikomi goshi (double sleeve hip throw, I think?)
3:30 This one was just a perfect version of what happens when a person does not see the strike coming. Even with half strikes, you can see how it really affected him even when the kicks are not hitting for distance.
The Tachyon fighter had really quick kicks (science joke and a dig at Jerry's pronunciation).
It makes sense, tachyons would be very fast.
Taekkyeon guy was impressive. A few observations tho: at first, that headgear the judo guy was wearing has that nose protection, but it blocks the vision, especially from things coming from below, like feet hehe. When they change the headgear and then he can see, things change, but still, you see in the first two throws the teakkyeon guy didnt end at the bottom, in my opinion, giving your back to throw someone and ending down under the opponent is certainly a bad thing. In any case, i didnt even think taekkyeon was to be taken seriously as a martial art, i thought it was more like a sportish cultural thing they have, like ssireum.
Rather than a sport, taekkyeon has a cultural dance element like capoeira. But it is a serious martial art. I've seen a taekkyeon master with hand/fist hardening, and if you've seen anyone with those features (really thick/tough hands), they're impressive.
Some taekkyeon guys are trying to be serious mma fighters yes, but official taekkyeon rule is leaned toward the sportive culture. Not meant to really hurt your opponent.
That drop seoinage was kinda scary. There are vids here on yt that show people eat that throw and not move again (at least, under their own power).
Great post! I love watching taekkyon. Taekkyon guy did fantastically, but I was hoping to see him get in some of taekkyon's own formidable throws!
I love your breakdowns, but your pronunciation of Taekkyon cracks me up haha. Also the judoka is Cho Junho! That guy's awesome!
You should cover more Taekkyon. There are videos of Taekkyon guys competing with capoeira guys and also competing in a kickboxing comp.
Kicks were fantastic but the problem was he had no midrange or short range weapons so once judoka got past the moat it was basically over. Not sure if they were allowing punches and knees though.
90% of striking is useless and pointless as both combatants have to essentially agree to move around and strike each other. Once one decides to grapple, the fight is greatly tilted in his favor. This is why strikers should exclusively target vital areas and blocking is mostly a waste of time. Funny enough it's Tai chi chuan that mainly seemed to understand this once before it got watered down to dancing
It's great to have confidence really,like look at you. Saying nonsense with such confidence,if only I have half as much confidence as you
@@Okiji477 what none sense? Once a grappler decides to take you to the ground you are going to go to the ground, by experience the best you can do is backing off and try to counter punch the grapplers step ins. But the moment you get cornered, miss a punch, lose balance, whatever mistake you make, you'll be in a place you don't want to be
Oof that las throw must have hurt. Imagine that on effing concrete.
Great showcase of what happens when you have no or little training in one of both areas, you are just completely blindsided, even the most basic stuff can get you.
I remember those tricky roundhouses from my shotokan days. That taekkyon guy is gooood
😮{ Taekkyon guy's kicks were sharp as hell, man! He was like lightning striking! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👍🏾👍🏾❗️
First throw is sleeve-winding pulling-lifting hip. Sode-tsuri-komi Goshi Makikomi
At 1:43 that is called a "Twisting Kick." Notoriously difficult to do and very rarely taught anymore. If it is taught it usually as a one-off and not drilled like round house or side kick. The speed with which he did that kick is unreal. You are trying to strike with the ball of the foot. If he did so, it was not caught on camera which may be just how fast it was. His speed exceeded the camera's frame rate.
Muay thai legend Samart Payakaroon used these a lot in his fights, when you control the pace of the fight it's easier to trick your opponent
TKD has (or had) one similar. Like a front snap kick, but shoots well to the outside. Used to catch a moving opponent that's off to the side a little, right in the face/head with the ball of the foot. Good special tool to have on hand, rarely used but effective at just the right time.
It’s an inner snapping crescent kick. That’s what we called it! Some of us coming from traditional arts used it in mixed martial arts as a surprise attack or decoy attack to the inner leg as well combining the technique with lead hooks because automatically puts you in a southpaw stance, straight left or pro Wrestling clothesline or ridge hand, Judo or Sanda hip toss. It’s more versatile than the mid or high snapping crescent kick. Because you can attack with succession after the initial low snapping crescent kick
@@godofredo404Samart Payakaroon or baby face killer was versatile in his attacks. Most people don’t know that he also has a pro boxing record and used boxing to get the upper hand, literally, against many of his opponents who were just Muay Thai, such as elbows, knees and low kicks. One of the few who mastered Boxing as well. Samart also incorporated the side push kick because it’s harder to grab the leg and get thrown. Something that Superlek implements today as well. The difference is that Samart did that during the golden years of Muay Thai between the 70’s and 90’s. And going back to your point. Samart Samart, was known to also blend traditional techniques with the ability to surprise opponents with less conventional strikes, such as the crescent kick. Samart’s overall skill and versatility allowed him to incorporate this and combine them with other advanced strikes. Samart is the reason why when I was competing, I would always throw the staple roundhouse kick from different angles along with broken rhythm. Sometimes coming low. Other times high. So that the opponent can’t read my pattern or get my timing. Others have showed me how to not telegraph. But as a fan of charismatic Muay Thai. I watched his tapes over and over to learn the baby face killer was an unassuming genius
I had a Tae Kwon Do base, dabbled in Kung Fu, Boxing, Hapkido, Aiki-Jiu Jitsu, Kyokushin Karate, BJJ, Muay Thai then back to Boxing. Traditional martial arts when combined with prized fighting arts such as Boxing and Muay Thai is incredibly technical and helps you understand it deeper. This is why I have a deep respect for traditional martial arts
Taekkyeon guy was amazing
"When grapplers get thrir world shattered by strikers" - it's two fights. One of which is a sparring session. The karate nerds have hope again 😅
Leg grabs not coming back to Olympic Judo (yet) but will be allowed to a limited degree for some All Japan tourneys.
Edit: I meant to say unfamiliar with Taekkyon. I am familiar with old school TKD.
J, been a long time since we hung out with Paris and Bill by Santa Monica beach. Glad to see this one. 5:58 Brother, you called it perfectly and saw this like you were reading the Matrix. I highlight to me is seeing a striker get face-smashed to the mat, but only after the early vid 0:56 of a striker smashing a grappler. I admit the warrior needs to see this without the smash censored. Haha I hope you are well. If in Nebraska, let me know and the boba is on me.
Really like how the Taekkyon fighter did some handfighting leading into those kicks, and with enough hip dexterity to snap kicks up to the head from punching distance! Great control too, touching with speed but not so much that the Judo fighter's going to get a nasty headache.
I did Judo for 2 years loved it definitely has it uses but they just teach it for Olympic style competitions we very rarely did No-Gi training which disappointed me cause when we did it I enjoyed it more & it fun to see how some of the black belts mainly the cocky ones dealt with it.
Shame more judo dojos dont teach it more for actual defence
The Taekkyon example shown is essentially one glimpse of old school TKD. In that clip, it may as well have labelled it TKD, except I don't know if TKD used hand grabs like that. Also not sure if TKD used to do low kicks to the calves. Maybe, though.
I get so triggered watching people stand in striking distance of a kicker. Get in or get out 😬
Tae Kyon kicks definitely not your standard TKD angles. Legs are skillfully used to hook and bite as they go around the guard, and include the upper body to generate force and create openings. This Judo guy is patient and brave. Nice Uchimata too.
I think that throw you said you'd like to know the name of is sode-tsurikomi-goshi
Can't quite tell but I'm pretty sure that throw is a sode tsurikomi goshi but finished like a makikomi
What worries me the most is the lack of control by the Judoka after the throw. It seems like all he cares about is getting the throw, regardless of how they land or what happens afterwards. His instinct seems to be to just stop fighting after the throw. Made me think of Armchair Violence's video on Judo.
Exactly!
In fighting art always has new surprise 👍
The only head gear work was the one that Kudo Karate that they use. There was a footage that MMA fighter sparring with Kudo black belt and the black belt delivery a head kick to MMA fighter and if not because of the helmet, that MMA fighter already knocked out cold.
Taekkyon schools after this video 📈📈
Man, if they allowed punches the judoka would be out in seconds. He is moving slowly forward with his arms open.
This debunks the myth of those who believe that jujitsu is an ultimate art of fighting. A person can learn what they want, if your style isn't preparing you to engage in some form of fighting where people are resisting each other than that school is doing the students a disservice with their training
As cool as those Judo throws look, in 3 out of 4 cases the judoka fell together with the blue guy, with both of them on the ground and his back facing his opponent... not a very attractive situation. Although I admit on a concrete pavement that last takedown would probably end the fight.
Judo guy was not legit. Lol. He didn’t do anything but stand there and take kicks, that’s not how a judo player would do it but nice try.
Mf that is an Olympic judo athlete. Not legit my ass just because he got his asses handed to him a couple of times doesn't mean he's bad. That is his first time against taekyon so of course he's wary
Shocked, shocked am I that the grapplers get destroyed.
Flying Tortise Martial Arts in Oregon teaches a mix of Pigua Kung Fu and Taekkyon
Tell me more!
@FightCommentary they have a nice web page. The teach lots of other kung fu.
Gamera stance?
A skilled kicker can pose some serious threats to a 'grappler', in a protracted encounter.
A determined wrestler could still be a credible threat, by way of the swift double leg tackle and though.
The kicker would need to have Expert timing, to land a telling blow, against the incoming tackle
Surprised judo giy didn't get a heel to the chin, he was wide open a few times. But I am looking at it from a TKD perspective. I am unfamiliar with TKD... although it was very similar in this clip.
Edit: I meant unfamiliar with Taekkyon. I am familiar with old school TKD...
6:28 looks like sode tsurikomi goshi : according to the opinion of this judo Green belt
Ouch, this was more like Judon’t. I’ve seen Judoka that are quick enough to trap a high kick.
catching kicks -> o uchi gari is a nice and easy combo
Obviously! That’s why Taekkyon dominates in the UFC…oh, wait ……😂
Once again , a moron compares everything to UFC.
There are millions of martial artists around the world, some incredibly tough and capable ones.
The huge majority would not lower their ethical or moral standards to compete in the American cesspool of UFC. Plenty of better fight leagues across the world but you stick to believing shitheads like McGregor and Rousey set the standard for the world's martial artists 🤣
6:27 looks like a sode-tsurikomi-goshi
i feel like the tekkyon guy wouldn't be able to do that with a wrestler. as soon as the fight starts what's stopping the wrestler from shooting a blast double? even if the tekkyon guy knows how to grapple the wrestler has now immediately put the striker on the defensive and brought him into his world without even having to deal with the striker's kicks.
I think the judoka is still a total fish out of water when striking is added so he just hangs back and absorbs shots. He needs to go take some yoseikan budo classes so he can learn to use his judo in MMA, among other things. Even without though, if he just had some aggression and self-confidence to get inside and grab things, then work from there he'd be fine. It seems like the gi-only training has done him a disservice outside of the realm of judo.
He's not overly concerned about winning these sorts of things. Right now he seems more preoccupied with shaking up Judo Pedagogy.
Good stuff
MAKE STRIKING GREAT AGAIN!!!
No they didn't allowed leg grip in olympic judo. I think the Judoka is from the old days were leg grips are allowed. I also think he is massively humble. It is common that judokas get taught to be light and humble against non grapplers/white belts in judo. If they do not it is considered as disrespectful and egoistic. I dont wanna down play the skill of the taekwondo guy, he is a amazing athlete and have a nice style.
Btw the second throw called sode tsuri goshi. :)
1:26 why does the guy in red look like the one from squid game?
Initially the judo guy didn't control the interval. That is why the other guy just kick him to keep judo guy from grabbing. Later the judo guy did close the interval n was able to execute few throws. The ither guy's uniform is not judo - no flaps on arms n legs to grab on.
Taekyon is the roots for taekwondo. So in a way it's "ancient" martial art lol,it allow striking and grappling. In this video that guy only uses kicks that was being pulled back like everytime he's kicking and he somehow still manage to land those kicks. While that judo guy finally grow a pair after realising that the taekyon guy ain't going all out so he finally realise he can just storm in,grab the guy and throw as fast as he can lol. Seriously striking isn't WEAKER than grappling. Never is and never will
Judo guy is using the stupidest helmet I've ever seen in the first fight, what is that?
So I'm not an expert but i would say taekkyeon isn't like an mma system, it's more like a game like capoeira or sumo wrestling
From what i understand it's basically a point fight, and the only two ways to get points is with a head kick or a sweep/throw which is, you know, bonkers and leads to taekkyeon kicks to be extremely interesting.
There is also music, like in capoeira or muay thai and there's a rhythm step kinda like the ginga.
Lately there have been some cool stuff surfacing online of taekkyeon guys in korea doing cool shit with kickboxing, etc.
that sounds awesome
This grappler isn't grappling. GRAB him. This guy wasn't even trying to grab. Charge through.
Try this on any hig school level wrestler. This striker would be demolished.
At 0:56 imagine in a real fight with heavy boots on.
Judo guy needs to stop looking for grips and just crash in and grab anything.
Blocking is everything
Awesome
3:40 pituro chagi
A judoka that does not keep grips or push for body control.
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Taekkyon guy was not using a lot of the kicks and sweeps, takedowns and hand techniques that Taekkyon has... disappointing.
Taekkyeon is much more than just kicking.
These videos are the absolute lamest cope videos on the internet. There’s literally hundreds of thousands of examples of grapplers mauling strikers and you cherry pick a few examples like it means anything at all.
Ohh he would be knocked out, ohh he would have died from a snap kick to the head. Ohh his head would have come clean off his shoulders if he didn’t have head gear.
Stop coping. MMA has proven you need to cross train and that’s ok.
Strikers always kill grapplers, even so many rules to protect grapplers, most of the time strikers win lmfao. There are more knockouts than submissions in UFC. The ONLY way a grappler can beat a striker is when the grappler learns some basic striking to keep hands up.
@@iROChakri "strikers always kill grapplers" - you've failed miserably.
@@TheVirus-pr8zw Find me a vid where a grappler beats a striker. Good luck. Just apologize and move on that you're wrong lol
Yeah, judo sucks when you actually don’t do any judo
Is it this why many bouncers and police officers learn judo? Or that now top dominating ufc fighters have a judo background? Don't take this korean show as a good example.. the Judoka there have just the intention of having some fun and do some sport. He is very kind and humble.
Even when I have some good judo and striking skills, I don't want to have beef with some high level judokas in my country on the street. Bc I know I will get thrown around without a slight chance. 😂
I dont want to say judo is the ultimate fighting system, but don't underestimate it. It is limited.. but so is boxing.
It saved my and my friends lives many times. Just go into a good club and try it for sometime for yourself and than you can decide if it is effective.
@@ztrewqqwertz8997 I think you're misunderstanding his message
@@ztrewqqwertz8997 They learn judo to control the aggressive people. You wnt them to learn Muay thai, and one leg kick breaks peoples legs? Law suit? LMFAO!
@@iROChakri it seem as it works well in real life. Especially if you do dirty judo or adapt it for your job. Thats the point.
Btw the police and bouncers strike too. They all don't just do judo. I know bouncers who do boxing or muay thai. One I know also do judo and muay thai. Our Police learn german ju jutsu and judo. So they learn also how to strike and they using it.
Also I know that kicks don't break legs that fast.
Throwing people without considering giving them a little help can break bones fast or can end up with major damage/deadly. So these professionals have to learn how to adapt judo for their job.
I think you didn't quite catch the point.
Grappler need striking like striker need grappling
If you need some help translating korean let me know .
Yeah, judo works on the non aggressive and no skills targets😅.
wow!!
Taekkyon Is also taekwondo
whuy do you censor the actual strike????
I dont see submission grapplers as representing Jiujitsu, certainly not Gracie Jiujitsu.
I look forward to someone trying the original UFC goncept again, and gotting away from this sport silliness that confuses folks today.
The problem that occurred here, was inexperienced Judoka. Grappling is definitely a strikers bane, but due to the current state of martial arts, most Grapplers don’t get to fight strikers unless it is MMA. Check out Rhonda Rousey, she dominated in MMA with Judo, but lost when she tried to play as a striker.
The judoka has his invincible bubble bursted
The jiujitsu guy finally did the right thing with underhooking the leg (so few that make it onto TH-cam seem to know this easy technique), but if you do get picked up like that in his armbar, you just let go and scramble. But I get it, you feel like you're inches from victory and if you hold on you can get it. For me, I'm just letting go.
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When did that match happen?
Gracie brainwashed us to believe that BJJ is the only martial art that will destroy every style. Then, Michael Jai White explains that Boxing can counter BJJ.
I can respect judo as an enhancement type style, but as a standalone style i am not a fan. Any style can benefit from multiple studies, but i dont feel that there are many judokas that can make it work on its own. Its just too much of a point fighting system, imo.
okey ..cool
Lots of judokas are really effective against strikers in style vs. style, but this guy in particular, despite being very successful in judo, seems to struggle.
Judo used to have strikes, to set up the throws, but like many martial arts, it's been watered down.
Depends on the fighter like always. Good judo gives you the ability to handle situations for self defense quite well.. Don't get fooled by one retired judoka who is extremely humble and just want to have fun. Judo just as its own in mma wouldnt be the best. Thats why recently ufc fighters who have a wrestling and judo background also know how to strike. And it seems they doing well. Since there are recent successful ufc fighters with a judo/wrestling background, I recognized that more and more people from mma and bjj get interested in judo. Our club got many new people from these combat sports. I think people understand that judo can give you the opportunity to understand grappling in a different way.
Btw there is also submission in judo (what is a point but it is also a submission).
@@elenchus Its a tired cliche, but sometimes it really comes down to the fighter, not the style. We've seen amazing grapplers who straight up never develop good striking no matter now much they try.
I never like ufc and mma. Too many rules to keep them safe ☝️
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I would like to watch a type of MMA with grappling and wrestling excluded. They're so damn boring to watch.
K1?
Lol try kickboxing or muay thai. It's exactly what you're looking for.
Sometimes it is just boring bc you can't understand what's going on^^
Ofc some fighters are just in a clinch and don't change the position for minutes. It is boring but it is part of grappling. If there are two good grapplers and ther roll fluently, I find it quite spectacular.
Do you not know about striking sports lol?
Grappling usually relies on brute strength only. That's why they're exerting force to try to throw each other, and it becomes stagnant. Think of you easily threw your younger brother around, without knowing any Judo or Wrestling.
Dude in the first clip was under hooking the wrong leg