apparently there is a group or perhaps a generation of people now who don't mind the under water artifacts as long as hiss is reduced, I think those people grew up listening to highly compressed "music" of today with no dynamic range and that's why they're warped. personally I'd never trade noise for digital artifacts and dmr audio makes me queezy
@@paulmitchell4421 this is true! I don’t mind a little compression and noise cancellation but I’d rather it be on the transmitting audio not the receive. I have my apx portables set to completely cancel out any noise in the background and it’s amazing. This asp is not
I agree that adjusting the squelch could help. On my new FT-3185Rasp I do not experience that issue. I use it at our farm where we are over 30 miles from the nearest repeater.
I’m guessing that the ASP functionality is also software defined to some extent and future firmware updates may extend and improve the features. I ordered one myself. The full duplex operation, cross band repeat, power output, and data port all make it an attractive choice.
The NR on that rig seems to work in a very similar fashion to my FTdx10. The algorithm needs to have enough signal to work with in order to figure out what is signal and what is noise. On the dx10 it works great under good signal conditions, but mostly I leave have it set off or at levels of 1-3 (out of a maximum of 9 levels, I believe) to achieve useful/tolerable results.
I concur with your findings. My problem is people are thinking it's going to help them pull in weak signals. No, just no. It works worse on weak signals.
Thanks for the video, curious to see how this is going to do with weak signals. I just got my FTM-150rasp hooked up last night, and I have seen similar results as you on repeaters. On a 2m simplex net last night and S-DX(ASP) did make a huge difference... this is based on my EXTENSIVE one night and 15 minutes of testing weak signals. 😜 Thanks again for sharing! 73
@@hamradion1fjb maybe. The squelch was open such that I could hear the signal 100% fine when ASP was turned off. Yaesu claims ASP increases sensitivity so the squelch shouldn’t have to open more. I think all the processing occurs on the audio side but I’m not sure yet. The ASP almost is a squelch of sorts but for audio. If the audio signal gets too close to the noise, a gate kicks in and shuts it down completely. Adjusting this squelch would help
Bien sûr si la modulation est dégradée, mauvaise ou trop faible, même si il y a un signal correct, (comme dans votre exemple) alors le système ne pourra rien… c’est normal. par contre si la voix est claire, le niveau de modulation correct, alors même SANS signal S mètre (inférieur a -130dbm) le système Super DX ASP arrivera à sortir la modulation du bruit.👍 Nous avons fait ce test et nous mettrons la vidéo en ligne sur notre chaîne TH-cam. English version: Of course if the modulation is degraded, bad or too weak, even if there is a correct signal (as in your example) then the system will not be able to do anything... this is normal. on the other hand if the voice is clear, the correct modulation level, then even WITHOUT S meter signal (less than -130dbm) the Super DX ASP system will manage to remove the noise and keep the modulation.👍 We have done this test and will upload the video to our TH-cam channel. Here is our vidéo on SDx ASP… th-cam.com/video/-duIU6ubM8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=RlbiRNV04z3WKeS-
Yes--for barely or partially intelligible signals, I'd like to hear examples with the squelch open. I've heard other examples on YT where I came to the conclusion that very poor signals are further compromised by ASP and copy is better with it off! I'll know more after my FT-3185R ASP arrives but, from what I've heard on YT, I wish I could've snagged an FT-2980R at the far lower closeout price!
From your testing it appears that the Asp function works well if there is already a good signal present. I just bought 2 of these radios and a FTM-500 and have not even taken them out of the boxes yet. Overall I think these 150's are real nice full dual band radios that have come into the market. Perhaps these are not what was marketed as "pulling out the weaker signals" . But it still is an excellent feature that improves enjoyment even if it works best on good signals that I'm likely going to have >85% of the time anyways. If you want to sell it - let me know I might find another go kit to stuff it into.
I love the radio so far. It’s everything I want in a dual band and nothing more (if you ignore the asp function. I don’t see myself using it whatsoever. Too bad I can’t remap that button to something else)
I'd try it on an actual 144-148mhz frequency while being used simplex epeater. I'm certainly not going to judge it based on the already poor quality WX stations. I've been amazed at the other demos I've seen on here.
and that is my chief complaint with digital, it's either there or it's not where with analog you might be able to pick out important information that might be way down in the noise. I'm sure that the 150R ASP is a fine radio, but did we amateurs really need that funky new digital signal processing? Nope. Yaesu could have left that circuitry out and dropped the price $10 of $15
I bet they could drop the price more than that because they're marketing it as being worth more to. The nearest competitor, the ICOM 2730a is significantly cheaper.
Drop price for what? Sdr digital way its more depedent on software than parts. So its design and funcionality its way cheaper. Don let you be confuse. That what they want. It should be cheap as is
Thanks for this video. I watched another video on this unit where the dials were rotating elliptically. So it seems like this radio is not quite worth the price. It's $100 more than an Icom competitor. I was thinking about snagging the FT-3185RASP, but it doesn't really make sense even with the 85 watts.
@@mediocreman2 the 3185 doesn’t make sense to me at the price point. 85w is not terribly different than 60w. The 150 is an incredible value though and not just when you compare it to the 3185. The legendary 8800 was $400 20 years ago. The Icom 2730 is probably the only other good analog dual band radio right now. I have used both Yaesu and Icom extensively over the years and this Yaesu is worth the extra money.
Is the superdx & the asp turned on simultaneously? Or are they separate functions? On my ftm 500 superdx is like a rx preamp sorta. But i see asp come on when you hit the button. So I wonder if it's not the asp feature causing the issues more than the superdx.
I was wondering if it would act this way. Digital works clean fairly deep into the noise then... poof, gone. :) Can't do the math anymore in there, somewhere, so it just drops out. Thanks.
not sure why there would ever be a feature called Super DX on a VHF\UHF radio that is NOT "all mode" to start with. Maybe I'm not the brightest "Ham" in the world but is FM a weak signal\DX mode? Are we trying to make it into one? I have never one time in my ham experience thought to myself what kind of DX or weak signal can I go find in the FM mode where working without a squelch makes me want to rip whats left of my hair out by the white noise... What am I missing here? I'm open to be educated... I have literally been TRYING TO SPEND (and literally this drive for a new radio is why I watched this video, I'm still searching...) a $1K-$2K budget on a worthy VHF\UHF radio for three+ years... Just waiting for the right radio to come along. Closest radio so far to tick all the boxes is the IC-9700, unfortunately the 9700 has no V\V U\U OR General coverage receive both of which are deal breakers at that price point. The Russian design "Wolf" radio is close and looks very nice and a few other Chinese radios almost fit the bill but severely lack in the VHF\UHF Transmitter\Amplifier sections to the point they are deal breakers too.
I agree, same thoughts. I'm disappointed. Yeasu doesn't have software yet, RT systems software isn't up to par, menus are confusing. I'm thinking of just going back to my DB-50. Clean, easy to understand, program, etc.
That's the problem I'm having I don't like the ASP on their when I have it on listening to a repeater it sounds like a am 11 mulberry radio or Bass radio with sideband bleeding in I can hear all kind of noise it even picks up noise from a red light as I go by it where I live and and it picks up noise from around mobile home plants and stores at times they messed up putting that on the radio. 73 K4BWN
Return the pos don't settle for the garbage they keep putting out. This is why someone just paid 2k on ebay for a yeasu 857 because yeasu doesn't know jack sht about their customer.
The 7900 was a stripped down version of the 8800. The 150 is much more like the 8800 than the 7900 with the dual receivers, crossband, etc. And it's cheaper! Incredible value IMO
Fing junk, Yeasu should be ashamed to put out such a pos in 2025 practically. The whole ham market is COMPLETELY deaf tone to what we want which is either a small mobile 50 watt tri band and unlockable or a 50 to 100 watt all mode hf uhf vhf and put in a high speed scan function with ability to detect tone and off set. China will eventually get it and that will force them to follow.
OMG wow I love that new ASP feature. I very much enjoy the DMR robotic sound - over static. This is a huge step forward. However, I can see there are some oddities.
Haha enjoy that audio then 😊 I like digital modes but not for the audio - rather for the features that come along with it like noise cancellation, TDMA, talk groups, etc.
@@MisterTwister55 LOL. In reality I have hearing issues and the digital registers better with my brain than any underlying hiss.. I think this may work great for me. So that's the story! Have a good day.
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apparently there is a group or perhaps a generation of people now who don't mind the under water artifacts as long as hiss is reduced, I think those people grew up listening to highly compressed "music" of today with no dynamic range and that's why they're warped.
personally I'd never trade noise for digital artifacts and dmr audio makes me queezy
@@paulmitchell4421 this is true! I don’t mind a little compression and noise cancellation but I’d rather it be on the transmitting audio not the receive. I have my apx portables set to completely cancel out any noise in the background and it’s amazing. This asp is not
I totally agree with your assessment, I've had my FT-3185R ASP for a week or so & I am very disappointed in the ASP!
@@geoffreysmith511 I came in with 0 expectations. It performs exactly like the initial Yaesu demo video. Not for me
I agree that adjusting the squelch could help. On my new FT-3185Rasp I do not experience that issue. I use it at our farm where we are over 30 miles from the nearest repeater.
I’m guessing that the ASP functionality is also software defined to some extent and future firmware updates may extend and improve the features. I ordered one myself. The full duplex operation, cross band repeat, power output, and data port all make it an attractive choice.
@@SierraWhiskeyHotelRadio yup it’s an excellent radio! I really don’t care about the ASP. I never even turn it on other than for testing
The NR on that rig seems to work in a very similar fashion to my FTdx10. The algorithm needs to have enough signal to work with in order to figure out what is signal and what is noise. On the dx10 it works great under good signal conditions, but mostly I leave have it set off or at levels of 1-3 (out of a maximum of 9 levels, I believe) to achieve useful/tolerable results.
I concur with your findings. My problem is people are thinking it's going to help them pull in weak signals. No, just no. It works worse on weak signals.
@@MisterTwister55 Exactly! audio dsp is bad on marginal signals, human brain is an order of magnitude superior.
Thanks for the video, curious to see how this is going to do with weak signals.
I just got my FTM-150rasp hooked up last night, and I have seen similar results as you on repeaters.
On a 2m simplex net last night and S-DX(ASP) did make a huge difference... this is based on my EXTENSIVE one night and 15 minutes of testing weak signals. 😜
Thanks again for sharing!
73
Great I love this radio already listening to the guys in Cuba
Me too! Well I don't hear anyone in Cuba but I love it so far.
Tell them to send some cigars!!!
I would say maybe some squelch adjustment would help
@@hamradion1fjb maybe. The squelch was open such that I could hear the signal 100% fine when ASP was turned off. Yaesu claims ASP increases sensitivity so the squelch shouldn’t have to open more. I think all the processing occurs on the audio side but I’m not sure yet. The ASP almost is a squelch of sorts but for audio. If the audio signal gets too close to the noise, a gate kicks in and shuts it down completely. Adjusting this squelch would help
Bien sûr si la modulation est dégradée, mauvaise ou trop faible, même si il y a un signal correct, (comme dans votre exemple)
alors le système ne pourra rien… c’est normal.
par contre si la voix est claire, le niveau de modulation correct, alors même SANS signal S mètre (inférieur a -130dbm)
le système Super DX ASP arrivera à sortir la modulation du bruit.👍
Nous avons fait ce test et nous mettrons la vidéo en ligne sur notre chaîne TH-cam.
English version:
Of course if the modulation is degraded, bad or too weak, even if there is a correct signal (as in your example)
then the system will not be able to do anything... this is normal.
on the other hand if the voice is clear, the correct modulation level, then even WITHOUT S meter signal (less than -130dbm)
the Super DX ASP system will manage to remove the noise and keep the modulation.👍
We have done this test and will upload the video to our TH-cam channel.
Here is our vidéo on SDx ASP… th-cam.com/video/-duIU6ubM8E/w-d-xo.htmlsi=RlbiRNV04z3WKeS-
Have to bring down the squelch on low signal with the super dx. Like with any filter you have to play with it.
Yes--for barely or partially intelligible signals, I'd like to hear examples with the squelch open. I've heard other examples on YT where I came to the conclusion that very poor signals are further compromised by ASP and copy is better with it off! I'll know more after my FT-3185R ASP arrives but, from what I've heard on YT, I wish I could've snagged an FT-2980R at the far lower closeout price!
Hello, could you please introduce the contents of the ftm150asp box? What parts come in the box? thanks
From your testing it appears that the Asp function works well if there is already a good signal present. I just bought 2 of these radios and a FTM-500 and have not even taken them out of the boxes yet. Overall I think these 150's are real nice full dual band radios that have come into the market. Perhaps these are not what was marketed as "pulling out the weaker signals" . But it still is an excellent feature that improves enjoyment even if it works best on good signals that I'm likely going to have >85% of the time anyways. If you want to sell it - let me know I might find another go kit to stuff it into.
I love the radio so far. It’s everything I want in a dual band and nothing more (if you ignore the asp function. I don’t see myself using it whatsoever. Too bad I can’t remap that button to something else)
I'd try it on an actual 144-148mhz frequency while being used simplex
epeater. I'm certainly not going to judge it based on the already poor quality WX stations. I've been amazed at the other demos I've seen on here.
and that is my chief complaint with digital, it's either there or it's not where with analog you might be able to pick out important information that might be way down in the noise. I'm sure that the 150R ASP is a fine radio, but did we amateurs really need that funky new digital signal processing? Nope. Yaesu could have left that circuitry out and dropped the price $10 of $15
I bet they could drop the price more than that because they're marketing it as being worth more to. The nearest competitor, the ICOM 2730a is significantly cheaper.
Drop price for what? Sdr digital way its more depedent on software than parts. So its design and funcionality its way cheaper. Don let you be confuse. That what they want. It should be cheap as is
I think having it is definitely useful in certain circumstances. Is there no graduation on the reduction or is it just on or off?
Thanks for this video. I watched another video on this unit where the dials were rotating elliptically. So it seems like this radio is not quite worth the price. It's $100 more than an Icom competitor. I was thinking about snagging the FT-3185RASP, but it doesn't really make sense even with the 85 watts.
@@mediocreman2 the 3185 doesn’t make sense to me at the price point. 85w is not terribly different than 60w. The 150 is an incredible value though and not just when you compare it to the 3185. The legendary 8800 was $400 20 years ago. The Icom 2730 is probably the only other good analog dual band radio right now. I have used both Yaesu and Icom extensively over the years and this Yaesu is worth the extra money.
Is the superdx & the asp turned on simultaneously? Or are they separate functions? On my ftm 500 superdx is like a rx preamp sorta. But i see asp come on when you hit the button. So I wonder if it's not the asp feature causing the issues more than the superdx.
I was wondering if it would act this way.
Digital works clean fairly deep into the noise then... poof, gone. :)
Can't do the math anymore in there, somewhere, so it just drops out.
Thanks.
Sounds like compander feature on some radios. Or like Sound tracker that they put on C.B.
not sure why there would ever be a feature called Super DX on a VHF\UHF radio that is NOT "all mode" to start with. Maybe I'm not the brightest "Ham" in the world but is FM a weak signal\DX mode? Are we trying to make it into one? I have never one time in my ham experience thought to myself what kind of DX or weak signal can I go find in the FM mode where working without a squelch makes me want to rip whats left of my hair out by the white noise... What am I missing here? I'm open to be educated... I have literally been TRYING TO SPEND (and literally this drive for a new radio is why I watched this video, I'm still searching...) a $1K-$2K budget on a worthy VHF\UHF radio for three+ years... Just waiting for the right radio to come along. Closest radio so far to tick all the boxes is the IC-9700, unfortunately the 9700 has no V\V U\U OR General coverage receive both of which are deal breakers at that price point. The Russian design "Wolf" radio is close and looks very nice and a few other Chinese radios almost fit the bill but severely lack in the VHF\UHF Transmitter\Amplifier sections to the point they are deal breakers too.
I completely disagree with your opinion. You clearly do not understand the feature or the proper use of it.
@@robertm1672 very little opinion is given in this video 😂
Fact! It was mostly all ignorance given thank you btw. And thanks to the op for highlighting this!
@@robertm1672what is the purpose? I have this radio ordered and in the mail right now.
I agree, same thoughts. I'm disappointed. Yeasu doesn't have software yet, RT systems software isn't up to par, menus are confusing. I'm thinking of just going back to my DB-50. Clean, easy to understand, program, etc.
That's the problem I'm having I don't like the ASP on their when I have it on listening to a repeater it sounds like a am 11 mulberry radio or Bass radio with sideband bleeding in I can hear all kind of noise it even picks up noise from a red light as I go by it where I live and and it picks up noise from around mobile home plants and stores at times they messed up putting that on the radio. 73 K4BWN
real fine
Just add a BHI unit
yes! bhi is superior and doesn't damage intelligibility
Return the pos don't settle for the garbage they keep putting out. This is why someone just paid 2k on ebay for a yeasu 857 because yeasu doesn't know jack sht about their customer.
I would assume it is more for VHF/UHF signals than for weather. Try it for UHF/VHF and see what it does.
It's audio processing. It doesn't care if it's a NOAA broadcast or a ham. Did you watch the 4th demo where I showed the same effect on a ham signal?
I feel like they just redressed the old proven models the ft2900,ft2980 ft7900
The 7900 was a stripped down version of the 8800. The 150 is much more like the 8800 than the 7900 with the dual receivers, crossband, etc. And it's cheaper! Incredible value IMO
Fing junk, Yeasu should be ashamed to put out such a pos in 2025 practically. The whole ham market is COMPLETELY deaf tone to what we want which is either a small mobile 50 watt tri band and unlockable or a 50 to 100 watt all mode hf uhf vhf and put in a high speed scan function with ability to detect tone and off set. China will eventually get it and that will force them to follow.
OMG wow I love that new ASP feature. I very much enjoy the DMR robotic sound - over static.
This is a huge step forward. However, I can see there are some oddities.
Haha enjoy that audio then 😊 I like digital modes but not for the audio - rather for the features that come along with it like noise cancellation, TDMA, talk groups, etc.
@@MisterTwister55 LOL. In reality I have hearing issues and the digital registers better with my brain than any underlying hiss.. I think this may work great for me. So that's the story! Have a good day.
Doesn’t seem very useful. Interesting though
Agreed. Maybe under very specific circumstances but I haven’t figured out what, if any, those may be.
sounds good to me you need to get your hearing checked....
Hmm usually when one person hears something that the other person can't, it's the other person who gets their hearing checked.
My anytone 5888uv3 over 10 years old does more and probably performs better.
nope
Are you a Ham Operator? Don't see a ham call sign.
Maybe you missed hearing his call sign W3MSB when he was demonstrating testing at 3:52.
Does it matter? Don't be a busy body loser.
🤡
Ok, kilocycle kop