A Mid Air Crisis Over Australia
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ย. 2024
- This is the story of Singapore airlines flight 231. If you dont know the airbus A380 is the worlds largest passenger plane and that it carries a lot of people. Just to put things into context a typical emirates a380 can handle well above 500 people, while a 737 in an all economy configuration tops out at about 180 . It would take 4 737s to replace one A380 and thats with the space on the A380 being allocated to things like bars spas and showers. So the question is what do you do when such a large plane has an emergency well we thankfully havent had to find out, weve had a few close calls like quantas 32 and the story of Sigapore 231 is one of those lesser known stories.
On the 9th of february 2020 An airbus A380 was making the trip from Singapore to sydney, with singapore being a connecting hub and with so many people wanting to travel to sydney it makes sense to put an A380 on this route. On this day as the pilots approached sydney they were greeted by some bad news, the weather in sydney was not the best. There was quite a bit of wind from the east south easterly direction with a crosswind of 29 knots. Moreover severe windshear had been reported for runway 16R. Wind shear really messes with a plane especially on final approach as the wind quickly changes direction for short period of time, it can really destabilize a plane on final. Heres how the aussie bureau of meteorology puts it a wind direction and/or speed change over a vertical or horizontal distance. It is significant when it causes changes to an aircraft’s headwind or tailwind such that the aircraft is abruptly displaced from its intended flight path and substantial control action is required to correct it’. Seeing all of this the pilots decided to go over the missed aprpaoch procedures for sydney airport and its a good thing that they did as they were cleared to land on runway 16R . They lined the jet up with the runway and took it down the plane as they fought with the weather to keep the plane centered with the runway. The jet was now just 1000 feet above the runway and then they flew right through some heavy windshear, The pilots immediately knew that they had no way of making this landing, they were no longer stablized and the best thing for everyone was to go around and try again. They commanded TOGA or Takeoff / go around power from the engines, retracted the flaps a bit and then let the controllers know that theyre going around. ATC instruicted them to climb to 3000 feet and to turn right to 270 degrees. But as the jet climbed away to the horror of the controllers the massive plane stared banking to the left instead of right. This was a huge problem as Sydney has a runway 16R, the runway that they were landing on and a runway 16L a runway that as the designator says is on the left, this left turn took them directly into the approach path for runway 16L. The controller is confused by this and he or she enquired if the plane was turning right to which the pilots of the A380 were like no we are not turning right. The controllers immediately gave them vectors to get them out of this area but they were now getting dangerously close to a dash 8 at their 12 O clock who was 11 kilometers or 6Nm away, who was landing on runway 16 L. The A380 wasnt turning as fast as they wanted to they got the Dash 8 to turn to the right to keep separation with the A380. Now this would have done the trick at most other airports but for such a busy airport like sydney it can cause some problems. In this case the right hand turn of the dash 8 took the dash 8 into the path of the 737 that had lined up behind the A380 to land on runway 16R! The dash 8 was now barrleinginto the path of the 737 and the distance between them dropped all the way down to 2.6 Nm which is well below the required minimums. This caused the controller to immediately issue a few traffic avoidance manuevers and all the planes then landed safely at sydney.
Inexcusable on the A380 crew. As a 747 pilot we always brief for a go around. I hope the A380 crew were given an ATC number to call for pilot deviation.
...The number of shame.
Not inexcusable. They were doing the task they understood they were supposed to do. They even readback confirming that's what they were supposed to do. ATC did not correct them.
This is clearly a mistake on the A380 crew but it's also a failure on the ATC to pay attention to the readback.
They probably had a call with the ATC but there isn't a pilot deviation here because they did as the pilot readback.
This is TOTALLY unacceptable from the pilots. Every approach I’ve ever done, in my very long career, is on the assumption that we might go around. We all have days when we get busy, that just goes with the turf, and is no excuse for doing it wrong. Then IF you go around, you must follow the missed approach procedure and obey ATC instructions.
As with all incidents and accidents, there's multiple failure points here. Pilots are human. They're going to make mistakes. That's not unacceptable, that's just life.
The additional failure point that took this from a minor mistake to an incident sounds like a break of protocol from ATC to not follow read-back procedure. A simple "please confirm right hand turn" from ATC after omittance probably would have avoided any problems. But they decided to "let it slide". If that happens regularly, that need to be a point of emphasis to report.
The primary job of a pilot is to fly the plane. It's ATC's job to make sure they're flying in the right direction. The pilots kept the plane in the air. ATC did not make sure they did so while flying in the right direction.
@@Leafsdudelast paragraph: so pilots aren't responsible for where they fly their plane? They just somehow "fly the plane" but ATC steers it?
Oh, there's another runway here, but we'll just turn straight across it, what could go wrong.
Give me a break.
@@Boababa-fn3mr The entire reason why "ATC steers it" (sic) is precisely because pilots are not in a position to see "another runway here", especially in high-stress situations. Pilots are supposed to fly the plane first.
Note that the entire reason for TCAS is precisely this issue. TCAS is basically an automated ATC system. Its entire reason for existing is because we saw time and again that pilots could not be asked to be aware of everything and everyone around them to keep their plane safe. Alerting them to potential problems removed the danger far better than insisting they be "responsible for where they fly their plane".
@@Leafsdude flying the plane includes steering it where they're told to steer it, they fckd up, get over it
@@Boababa-fn3mr They obviously didn't hear what they were told, given they didn't read it back. To take your own words, ATC fckd up when they didn't respond to what was said correctly. That's how the whole thing is supposed to work. Get over it.
Good video again, and nice to see content about problems avoided. At 6:32 - that's not quite accurate. The missed approach procedures are published and are usually already in the FMS, so the autopilot can fly the procedure. In this case, maybe ATC gave alternate instructions. However, if the crew had misunderstood, they should have looked at the published missed approach procedures. They should have realized it would be highly unlikely that ATC would allow them to turn towards traffic using a parallel runway. Even if ATC didn't question the readback, that still wouldn't have given them carte blanche to turn whichever way they wanted. This sounds like pilot error primarily, though ATC should have caught the incomplete readback. Yes, missed approaches can be busy and stressful, but pilots should always prepare for it.
All economy A380: the megabus of the sky. What a chilling thought.
Less B.O., trash, and untreated schizophrenics than an ACTUAL greyhound bus.
Less body odor and untreated mentally ill people than a real bus.
Less personal odor and weird people than an actual bus.
I think I have made a gross miscalculation
I assume you're worried about a plane with that many people on it going down?
like a bus in the air... 😮
Read back omission corrections, or in this case lack there of, is a topic rarely covered. Great job!👏 👍✈️✌️
The crew always brief for a go-around on every flight.
I appreciate the effort that went into this vid and I don't need death and destruction to make it interesting.
Whether an incident or an accident, it all goes into the record…
Great video. These kinds of near misses are a good reminder of the aviation safety nets in place and how easily things can go wrong.
Omg! Have been waiting for you to drop something! Have missed your no nonsense, unrepeting videos!
Greetings from Sweden
I love you including incidents like this in the mix. ATC suddenly having to redirect multiple aircraft like that could easily have gone out of control. Much credit to them for handling it that well.
I think what plays into the incident is that International flights and most of all the A380 normally land on 16L because of length of the runway and taxi to the International terminal. Landing on 16R would have been a unique experience for a standard approach into YSSY. The pilots probably didn’t realised it and acted out of memory for the missed approach to 16L. A briefing could have prevented the mistake.
But that had briefed on the missed approach, that’s what was the worrying point.
You’ve grown and improved so much. I can hear the much deserved confidence in your voice. Thank you for your hard work!
YAY! Been missing you. No judgement here, so don't feel guilty.
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There was no crash ... this time. An A 380 flying into oncoming traffic is plenty scary. Because of that pilot blunder, there were two other close calls. This could have been the largest air traffic disaster in history if things had gone just the tiniest bit different.
Thanks for covering this one.
There was a near crash, I think at Sydney, involving a light plane making an emergency landing a few weeks ago. The pilot trimmed some trees that day.
Great video, not sure why this was never on my feed. Had to search manually and look through. I've watched all the previous ones. YT screwing up their algorithm again it seems
Nice to see you back.
Fun little fact.
Australians refer to the Bureau of Meteorology as just 'The Bom'... It is a bit awkard getting on the aircraft radio and asking for the bom report though.
Hahaha I never thought of bom being said on radio from a pilot
And sounding like bomb
Yeah that could be interesting
I don’t think I have ever been on a low altitude TOGA flight. They must be very rare.
Love your videos!
Thank you!!
I don't mind close call videos, these can be interesting!
Never heard of this before, thanks for letting us learn about this!
love the shoutout to bigjettv, i'm not part of the crew though am a member of their channel and they do a great job
For any pilot to fly intentionally across a parallel or indeed active runway without clearance is a handcuffs event to me. All crew on the flight deck for a period of 5 years. Up to 1600 people endangered if his colleague flying the other direction was taking off on the left runway!
Thanks for the story, really interesting to watch
No ways. Bad weather, wind shear, high traffic is all part of normal pilot job and shouldn't be considered high workload. I think it should only be called high workload when no normal checklist is being referred to.
The Swiss Cheese lined up very quick. You would think that TCAS would have kicked in. Surely they would be aware they were heading for an overfly of an active runway. Sorry if my question is abstract but I'm not a pilot, just interested in aviation.
Throw TCAS into the mix where it overrides any ATC comms and this could have gotten way worse
Near misses are more interesting because they are not talked about and give a false sense of security when travelling. Prepare for the worst and just enjoy your flight.
Treating near misses seriously and doing a full investigation will often highlight a greater number of serious issues than just relying on crashes where the evidence has to be pieced together and assumptions made. I bet there's 10 near misses for every 1 crash especially as how safe flying has become.
Nice to take a break from death and destruction. I’m thinking the 737 pilot was sweating bullets when the 380 went around for weather. Big jets have a much easier time in crosswinds.
love your videos but please fix your audio man.. the volume is too low lol
The Singapore plane was so full because this happened on Feb 9 2020 when people were trying to get home to Australia as the government was considering closing the borders due to Covid a month later.
You refer to this as an accident. I see that it's clearly an "incident" which requires an investigation, but is it classified as an accident for some reason?
It was a narration accident
It's the closest thing Australia has had to an accident since the 1950s
@@kahlzun must be so bored down under
@@outofturn331 I mean, kinda? It's winter here and I don't like the cold. Nothing to do outdoors anymore.
Welcome back.
Great informative video. Please make more.
It is to the credit of modern safety standards that we can now criticize such potential disasters as 'near misses' and continue to use them to make flying safer. It is unfortunate how many of those safety standards historically came about through fatal crashes.
It was more luck. They turned the wrong way, right across the path of the adjacent runway. Very bad.
Jesus, even when flying in our SR22T we brief go arounds!
the volume is too quiet
It's important to investigate and action every near miss, because it could prevent an accident in the future.
Love the video please upload more!!!
DXB, is one of the busiest airport ive ever seen
There was a restaurant almost 10 min drive from the airport, we saw a plane ever 5 mins or less, it was amazing
It is a generally held opinion that a Dash 8 cannot fly through an A380...
Well, not without causing some unrecoverable structural damage.
Sorry, as a retired controller I find this video full of inaccuracies and half truths. Most of all your aircraft track info doesn’t add up to the description of the event. I don’t know Australian ATC rules, but in the US, depending on the exact locations, speeds, and altitudes of the involved aircraft this may have easily been a no; incident.
0:20 huh? I presently fly for a 737 carrier with 2 class configuration with 178 seats...
Great stuff! This is why I feel better about flying....
Last time I was this early, the 737 Max 8 didn’t have almost 2 crashes in one week.
Enjoy the your videos very much
I’m fairly long in the tooth and life has tough t me is that if things CAN go wrong it may take a while (or not) but they will DEFINITELY go wrong. 😩
welcome back mini
Great Video! Thank You.
"It was a good thing, they went over the missed approach procedure".
Im not a pilot, but Im pretty sure, theyre required to always brief for a missed approach?
Excellent work.
WOW I can understand why the pilots were so stressed out
Excellent video!
ryan air has 36 rows of 6 people....216 seats, 4 cabin crew and 2 pilots
I presume that if ATC had not kept on top of the situation that TKAS should have worked as a last line of defence?
IIRC, TCAS works on distance *and* speed. It's therefore far less effective in close proximity during landing and takeoff when speeds are much slower. It probably also works with a set up similar to the GPW which is disabled when near airports to avoid nuisance warnings.
How in the hell is this the first I'm hearing of this?
Is Singapore A380 livery doesn't available in the sim?
Thanks
Thanks.
0:56 - you mean Singapore 231
Sorry, but 5:23 in.... Climb and maintain runway heading of 155 then turn RIGHT to 107 degrees!
Do you mean 170 degrees?
He said 270, presumably on a very wide radius turn?
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Yay 🙌
Incident, not accident.
@0:01 231, @0:55 321
an A380 is a small city
Ive recorded this same plane several times
It's a big honker.
MINI!!!!
👉 Finally found it...06/24/1975. Eastern airlines 727 crash at JFK. Have you done that one yet?
👍 Aussie land
Hey. Buddy. If you must say Aussie, pronounce it properly. It's a hard z not a soft s. Pronounce it "Ozzie"
Sorry, stop whining regarding the pilots. There's a unwritten rule in Airmanship which is called Situational Awareness. If you know where you're at you can be where you want. A Navigator.
Sorry but this doesn't make sense at all. You have a parallel runway to your left with traffic also landing on that runway. You simply cannot fly into the path of that traffic and cut them off. That's how you lose separation and cause a major accident thru that or thru the wake left behind. It also says very clearly on the charts to not turn left because of that reason. That should have been part of the briefing - that's called airmanship.
I’m sorry but I have to unsubscribe and stop trying to watch your videos. I’ve watched every one from the very beginning but your audio volume is so low I just can’t watch any more. I’ve left comments before on your videos about the low volume and having to turn up to 100% volume on AirPods, in a quiet area, just to barely hear the video and if an advert comes on mid roll, it blows my ear drums apart. No it’s not my AirPods or speakers at home, every other channel I watch is absolutely fine. This is such an easy thing to fix and I can’t see why nothing has been done.
I’ve never had any audio problems with these videos!!!
@@rodkennedy9800 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@rodkennedy9800neither have I and I am just watching on my phone.