It's almost as if heaven is a real place where the rebellious angels originally lived before they took wives and dwelt on the earth. It's fascinating to me how many Christians have been taught to disbelieve the reality of heaven as a physical and real location.
@JW-tg1nn I have recently done debates with Christian apologists and pastors who don't believe heaven is real. They were taught it's non-corporeal and some mystical dimension. All recorded on my channel. 👍
@JW-tg1nn awesome. So you agree that angels have real spiritual bodies and eat real food and have crops they give firstfruits and tithes from, and the tree of life is a real fruit producing tree? You believe the horse that Christ returns on is a real horse? You believe the New Jerusalem is a real literal and tangible piece of land that resurrected believers will live inside of? If so, that's amazing. My 27 years as a Christian has placed me around very different teachings that call all of those things symbolic and "spiritual" - taking away their literal and tangible nature.
1) We have to always remember that angel means messenger, not 'life kind'. 2) If there is kind of angel messengers that are only male, that means they have certain organs. Everything has a purpose. Why would all angels have a certain organ set that has no useful purpose?
Really hope Tim gets to come back again for another series on the show. These 4 installments have been some of my favorites. Learned so much, just utterly fascinating
1:00:36 this makes more sense to me than the other way. Since everything that God does is perfect, it stands to reason that since God made them with His own hands that Adam and Eve had perfect genetics, and since then… without contact with God, we have been becoming less perfect, not more.
I always find it interesting how people accept some things as literal and some things as figurative, yet each person puts different things in different categories.
Great discussion. I think we make a big mistake by assuming every living creature in heaven is an “angel” as in a messenger that appears on earth for a specific ministerial purpose. I believe it’s pretty clear there are other creatures in heaven different from angels as we know them.
Funny thing is if you read Revelation it’s all about heaven and earth and many DIFFERENT kinds of creatures. It’s clear, yet many still think is all Angels.
1 Corinthians 15:39-45 (LSB) All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory. So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a corruptible body, it is raised an incorruptible body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. Angels have a body of flesh, but not like our current bodies, but like what our glorified bodies will be and what our Saviour's is.
I had a personal encounter with my Guardian Angel ... appeared totally human ... and it took me about an hour after he disappeared as quickly as he appeared for me to realize I had just spent a considerable amount of time with my Guardian Angel and there was no other explanation for it. It was 100% unambiguous. He saved me from serious trouble, perhaps even death, first appearing as a cop, then towed me home, SAME GUY, only this time with the cop having disappeared when the tow truck he promised to call me arrived. The switch, from cop to tow truck and driver, took about a minute, no exaggeration, then the tow truck driver told me to stay in the car and keep it on neutral, at which point he not only took me home, he backed my car into my assigned parking spot (Townhouse), and just like that, in the blink of an eye, he was gone, just like the cop, although it was obviously the same guy. That's when I realized neither one of them, the cop or the tow truck driver, ever asked for my license, registration, insurance card or verbally asked for my name and address, yet not only did the tow truck take me home, out of the 50 or so parking spots in the lot he put my car in my assigned spot, without ever asking me which spot was mine. BTW I rapped my car around a pole I knocked down on the divider. The next morning when I realized I had a supernatural encounter with my Guardian Angel (and we did briefly talk when he was the cop, and he just kindly asked if I was okay, then I remembered he did call me by my first name without asking for my name), but the rest all happened after a brief chat and he kindly told me he would call me a tow truck. So I go back to that EXACT SAME SPOT the next morning (a friend gave me a ride) just to see the damage. Well the pole was standing as if it had never been knocked down and there were no skids marks or ZERO indications on the grass divider that an accident occurred. That said, the MAIN POINT IS, I know for sure that Angels can appear as human as you and me. Somehow they can depart the spirit realm and enter the material realm ... and BTW, such encounters are Biblical too, so I know I'm not crazy.
So um … your guardian angel didn’t save you from crashing into a pole, and they didn’t fix your car. Instead, they towed your wrecked vehicle home and fixed the pole?!
@@aallen5256 He said I'm not reporting you or arresting you for speeding, in the rain no less, but the damage you did to your car is all the punishment you need to teach you a lesson about driving safely,. That's actually the most memorable thing he said during a brief admonishment. He was right too. I became a much safer driver and never had another accident. Also if you knock a divider pole down in my state you're supposed to pay for it, but the officer (Angel) didn't charge me. Lastly, at the very least I should have received a ticket for speeding, but again, he said the damage to my car (and no-one else) was punishment enough to teach me a lesson about driving safely, and it did. But this is all a digression. My main point was how that showed me, DIRECTLY, how Angels can appear as men. God even warns in the Bible: "Be kind to strangers because you never know if you are entertaining angels." I can't recall the chapter and verse, but I distinctly recall reading it.
@@2GunRock Righttttt, angels can appear as men - but limited to only one man? You said the cop and the towtruck driver were the same person! Anyway, they were being kind to you, not the other way round. I think you’re shortchanging a kind policeman somewhere.
It’s interesting how they voice their speculation on angels being exclusively male but fail to observes that Genesis 6:2 says that “the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful” and then took wives and/or married them. This is an exclusive male action! And if Paul is referring to Genesis 6 regarding women covering their heads then again we have a male exclusive reference. So if female angels do exist then they are much better at controlling their libidos. Regarding this, isn’t it strange that God creates a male gendered species with sexual desire and with no legitimate sexual expression-especially in view of Genesis 1:11-24 “according to its/their kind," 1:27 "male and female he created them," 2:18 “It is not good that the man should be alone.”
At around the 18:00 minute mark, I'm not sure why Amillenials would be singled out as being substantially differently than post or premillenials at that point. We believe all the same things after the final return of Christ in terms of the new heavens and new earth and how we will be.
@cosmictreason2242 yeah that seems about right. I was/am a bit confused though because Chaffey seems to be saying that amillenials might not agree that we will have physical bodies and do work in the new earth, which I think all eschatological views put after the millennial reign and tribulation
One point to add-Jesus didn’t “teleport” before being in His resurrected body, but Philip did in Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea This ability will be possible for us all as will walking on water. We are limited by sin’s curse to the 4 dimensions but in our resurrected bodies we will be able to access all dimensions. We will still be in physical bodies but they will be glorified!
There is also much evidence that there are several different types/kinds of angels and a system of hierarchy even amongst them. Some angels are described as beautiful some are terrifying and some appear to men to be in a form that inspires worship evidenced by biblical accounts of men falling to their knees to worship before being swiftly rebuked.
This talk helped affirm something I had been pondering for quite a long time. Because it’s been my belief, and especially from listening to NDEs, that everything in the Spiritual Realm, as well as Spiritual Beings, are just as Solid and more Real, than anything in this Physical Realm. Which for me begged the question, since the Spiritual Realm is so much more Superior to the Physical Realm, I’ve wondered before about what the reason’s were, for why God created the Physical Realm in the first place ? But the only thing I could think of for an explanation, was from something Saint Paul had said, and to paraphrase, “that it’s necessary for the Physical first before the Spiritual. And so for the physical forms of life, it evidently must be necessary and similar to the biological need of metamorphosis for transformation; for example, like a Tadpole that turns into a Frog, and the fuzzy Caterpillar that turns into a Butterfly. And so the uniqueness in the forms life, of what had once been only Physical, becoming part of the Spiritual, through death, by being transformed from the Physical Realm, must be very unique forms of life in comparison to what had always been part of the Spiritual Realm. And of course it’s also what Jesus, the Creator, willingly lowered Himself to become Human, in order to be the acceptable Sacrifice for Sin on our behalf. And here’s another thought, for another topic, that this video discussed, and which I’m sure most probably won’t agree with concerning Ezekiel’s experience. Because I know that both these men and probably most Christians, tie their minds into knots, trying to imagine and interpret Ezekiel‘s description of what he seen, as being some strange form of an exotic Angelic Being. And I know why they bend over backwards trying to believe that explanation, because the alternative opens up a can of worms that no one wants to deal with. But personally I do agree with them to a point, and believe that Scripture obviously implied the truth, in that it truly was a messenger from God. And I have my own hypothesis, but due to length, I won’t go into it here. But it’s also the type of thing that I have no problem, if it turns out that I’m wrong about it. And I’m sure that I won’t have to wait terribly long in order to find out, if some peoples interpretation of what they think Ezekiel really did see was a living, very strange and exotic looking Angelic Being. But until I do find out otherwise, I’m convinced that some people are turning an ideological blind eye to the obvious. Because even though Ezekiel didn’t know what he was seeing, it shouldn’t be that difficult for us. And I honestly don’t know how Ezekiel could have done a more convincing job, describing what was obviously a physically huge, very sophisticated, and powerful Flying Machine. And that was evidently being piloted by intelligent Beings, that could communicate with him telepathically. And I think we put God in a box, due to our very limited understanding in how we perceive the very fabric of Space and Time. And then we literally have no understanding, in how the Galaxies and even the Spiritual Realms are connected and interwoven with the Physical Realm, to believe that God’s Messengers can only be either Spiritual Angels or Human Beings. And I also know that the perimeters are very tight in order for life to exist in the Universe as we know it, but I also know that God doesn’t create anything for no reason. And He didn’t create our Milky Way Galaxy, with hundreds of billions of other Worlds, as well as hundreds of billions of other Galaxies, for no reason other than for us to ponder. And yes Human Beings are the Crown Jewel created in the likeness of God, and that we share many of his attributes, that make our humanity uniquely special, that no other creatures in all the Universe possess, aside from God’s Angels. But in my opinion only, in spite of Mankind, being uniquely special, as God’s Crown Jewel in all Creation, along with His Holy Angels, to claim that there are no other intelligent creatures in all the Universe, other than Mankind and Angels, in my opinion is totally ludicrous and absurd. I’ve read that Scientists consider it a miraculous anomaly, and by mathematical odds of chance it should be impossible, that the Universe is made up of chemical compounds that is essential for life as we know it. Elements like hydrogen, helium, oxygen, nitrogen, iron, are most abundant in the Universe especially in Stars and Interstellar gas clouds, as well as carbon that is everywhere, and that’s the basic building blocks of matter, which is the fundamental building block of life on Earth. And so the way I see it anyway, God designed the Universe, to be filled with everything necessary, along with countless Galaxies, that are like huge spawning ponds for every manner of physical life from the mind of God, that will go on forever. And in a perfect World, after the Lord returns, and the Son’s of God are finally revealed, that all of Creation have been waiting for, I can only imagine what Mankind’s Custodial Role might be. Now I could be wrong, and if so, I’d be interested in hearing what other explanations, there might be, for why there is a Milky Way Galaxy, as well as the billions of other Galaxies that the Hubble telescope and James Webb telescope are giving us photos of, unless God is deceiving us with illusions that aren’t real.
But just because female angels aren’t mentioned doesn’t mean there are no female angels. Aren’t you reading into scriptures? There are only a few angels mentioned and of course because of the era would a human man even listen to a female Angel? And if we are all to become males then GOD will destroy half of his creation by destroying all females. Why did GOD see fit to create Eve for Adam vice sending another male?? So many questions.
Genesis 2 has Adam being offered female angels as an help. Way before Eve, Adam’s great desire, existed. And trust me, that great desire in itself comes back with Leah and Rachel, in which Jacob chooses Leah, what he didn’t desire, over Rachel, the one he desired. A part of the lesson with Genesis is to ask God for guidance instead of seeking what is in your heart, since your heart is wicked and will lead you to wickedness. And fulfilling what was in your desire would ultimately be less fulfilling than what God wanted you to have, the Leah.
I have a thought about female angels: first of all, you guys kind of did the same thing - reading more into the story than what is there. When Jesus said the angels aren't married and given in marriage, this was an idiom for death and divorcing and marrying multiple people. More specifically to the story they were trying to trick him in where the one woman had 7 husbands. When you look at the telling of this in Luke you get a clearer picture because Luke completed the sentence: "for you will be like the angels 'who don't die' ". So there will be no need for a woman to marry seven brothers because no one will die in heaven. The kind of marriage that we do on earth is a covenant for sinful people, we don't know what is in store, but way too much is read into that passage. He also told them that they didn't know the answer because they didn't know the scriptures- my question to you then, is where in the OT, or in the scriptures would Jesus have known the answer to this? If the angels were obviously given the capacity to procreate, but not the mate to procreate with, they would be the only creatures that God did that to, but, my main thought is this, is if female women were created with certain roles, such as bearing children and raising them in the home, is it not possible that that is the reason we don't read of them? Because they are busy raising baby angels? Even plants procreate. It seems that everything with life that God makes procreates. And they have the ability. Just a thought.
The huge issue is that Genesis 2 is the only reference point of unfallen mankind, and it’s implied that angels were crafted from Eden’s ground (beast of the field, like Lucifer), which will make more sense to be Adam’s an help, than you know, literal animals. So it makes so much sense of Christ was referring to that scripture, because it showcases the time when mankind was a son of god and were like the angels of heaven.
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I hear from a couple pastors once that Satan is constantly tempting you but also he is your thoughts but to certain degree constantly telling yourself things about yourself that is negative. All thoughts are lies is he key only hypothetical ones. I get up to to work, I take care of my kids and wife etc etc
As it is above, so it is below. Logically that works the other way as well. On earth G'd uses a system of genetics to provide variance to the life he created here--so mightn't he do the same for the created brings above? If so, it's not much of a leap to have heavenly creatures mating with earthly ones--albeit, with obvious difficulty especially after G'd seems to have restricted interspecies breeding AFTER all flesh was corrupted--Noah being the only pure man (in his generations--genetically). My theory is that the antediluvian era was MUCH more bizarre and disorientating to us today than most western Christians imagine. That being said, these technologies we see today are being given to humans in many cases, not invented by us. I would point out that according to the book of Enoch (again, not gospel here...) technologies were all "given" to us by heavenly beings before. Is this an ongoing attempt to counteract the measures placed by G'd in prohibition of interspecies breeding? Days of Noah... Sigh...
Augustin was influenced by Gnosticism so that's probably why he hated the angelic view. And Calvin loved Augustin and pretty much agreed with whatever he wrote.
simple question, shy would God give angels genitalia and sperm. Were they supposed to procreate with angels or anything. Did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply? we are not asking can not but rather why would God give them genitalia?
It only happens when they materialize into our world where they take any form they wish - temporary. Before going back into their world. For the Fallen Angel's its the second heaven, another higher Dimension between our world and the third Heaven where God is.
Biblical text says they will mingle their seed but will not cleave. It also says we will be like the angels, being neither male nor female, though when appearing in form it was always male - which makes sense as man was created in the image of God.
34:23 It’s not so much gnostic as it is we neutralize everything. If it’s spiritual, we try to make it more materialistic. If it’s materialistic, we try to make it more spiritual. It’s like we want to live in the boring and confused world that’s lukewarm to both spiritual and material.
@@QueenQaffirI agree, I followed him for a while but wasn’t comfortable with his theology. Also he tends towards all the fantastical that’s out there now and puts too much weight in modern myths.
@@QueenQaffir definitely agree, a lot of his theology and understanding of the word is eisegetical. But he does hold a similar view. I moreso just think it would be an interesting interview, plus I think Joel would ask some questions that Tim hasn't really answered before like what his base theological framework is
@@danielwarton5343 It seems to me that Albertino leans to the modern myths and the fantastical because the speculation is where the “clicks” are. Much like the History channel, Erich Von Daniken, etc.
Blame the teachers/preachers/religion and false conversions for the schism of understanding between the divine and the material. The Lord's sheep know His voice and follow what the Holy Spirit says and teaches. May we submit to Him alone...not man. Night is coming and many are and will be deceived within the religion, as well as outside.
If there are not female angels, then it makes no sense for Jesus in Mt 22:30 to make reference to angels not marrying. Perhaps the messenger and soldier angels are male, and those that minister before the throne are female.
@@cosmictreason2242 Uh. NOT! God did not say to Adam, "Gee Adam, why is your intimacy with me not enough? I am not going to create a woman." The response in Mat 22:30, was that "they" [male and female] are as the angels[male and female], but do not marry. Anything else is damaging to the text. This is not a case where he is trying to start a new parable hiding truth. He did not answer apples with oranges. He was stating plain clear direct comparison.
@@Resist.Tyranny And GOD said “let us make man in our image…. Male and female created them… which indicates that males and females are in heaven. I just don’t understand why so many men want it to only be males in heaven; what is that about??
@@qesther1241your point is extremely flawed. God said “let Us create/make…” angels can’t create so the creative entity is the Trinity not angels. So this doesn’t speak of the gender of angels.
The sons of God in Job 1: 4-6 Sanctified/Explained....Context is King. 4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate (SANCTIFY) them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually. 6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. It is insisted this is angels which is false, Okay lets break these verse down in 3 parts, >Part 1: The big one is the word Sanctify found in verse 5, becasue Job is presenting a burnt offering/animal for his children. Job is head of the household/the patriarch and father of his family, so it is his duty to present the sacrifice for his children to "Sanctify" them, meaning Sacntify their souls. The verse says in verse 5 “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” The verse use the word hearts, which means inner person or the heart of a person, their soul. The word Sanctify means set apart as or declare holy; consecrate, make legitimate or binding by religious sanction, free from sin; purify: cause to be or seem morally right or acceptable: Job being the Patrarch of the family, is performing a priestly duty, angels have NO priestly duties or present animal sacrfices unto the Lord God. Angels have NOTHING to do with Sanctification. Jesus on the Cross is the High Priest and was the Sacrifice on the Cross for Sanctification, Jesus paid the final sin debt in full on the Cross for sinful man. The result from Jesus who is the son of God, the sanctification of a sacrifice whether a burnt offering/animal sacrifice or the sacrifice of Chirst put sinful souls in the postition of purification (sanctified) to be sons of God or called children of God. NOTICE verse 5 says " Thus Job did continually," which means Job continually offered burnt offerings unto the Lord for sanctification for the souls of his family or children. >Part 2: Now that the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, sanctification, priestly duties and sons of God being set apart/purified are established, lets look at the word "day/yom". Verse 4 and 5b "4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course," What text is say there were these feast days. These feast days are celebrations maybe celebrating birthdays or some special occasion, but each of these feast days had there own day, think of it like the days of creation found in Genesis, each day had it's own day. Day 1 - light and time (Gen 1:3-5) Day 2 - the sky and “separated” waters (Gen 1:6-8) Day 3 - dry ground, bodies of water, and plants (Gen 1:9-13) Day 4 - the sun, moon, stars, and planets (Gen 1:14-19) Day 5 - fish and birds (Gen 1:20-23) Day 6 - land animals and humans (Gen 1:24-31). The hebrew word for day is Strong's Hebrew: 3117. יוֹם (yom) -- day - Bible Hub. Whether these are literal days or each day is a 1,000 years it is debatable, but it is for the readers understanding that God is the creator. Okay this is the same approach for the word "day/yom" in Job, this is not a 1,000 years for the word "day/yom", but each day is its own day for these feast days, just like the days of creation. Lets look at each of these feast days for Job's household. When Job presented the animal sacrifice/burnt offering (Job 1:5) this was in the days (Plural) of Feasting. There are Two "DAYS" mentioned in the days of feasting found in Job 1: 4 and Job 1: 13 and there are also Two "DAYS/YOM" when the sons of God presented themselves Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1. Whether this is in the physical realm or the spiritual realm, that is debatable it is open to discussion, even when Satan tempted Jesus 3 times was that in the physical realm or the spiritual realm. Job 1:4 " And his sons would go and feast houses, each on his DAY, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 1:4 is a Day/Yom and Job 1:6 is another Day/Yom, but both Days are part of the Days of Feasting Job 1: 13 " Now there was a DAY/YOM when his sons and daughters eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house;" >>>>>Job:1 19 and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead, and I alone have escaped to tell you.” Job 1:20 Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.” Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. Notice in verese 20 that Job shaved his head and fell to the gorond and worshiped, during the presenting of burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, the worshippers would fall to the ground while presenting the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices in the OT, in a state of worship towards God. Shaving the head which was then a usual ceremony in mourning: of which see Ezra 9:3; Isaiah 15:2; Isaiah 22:12; Jeremiah 7:29; Jeremiah 41:5; Micah 1:16. Job was mourning over the loss and death of his children. Angels do not shave their heads for mourning. Another thing to Notice Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord. In Job 1:6 happened when Job's children were living and in Job 2:1, Job's childrenhad lost their lives and were no longer living ound in verse 19. The proper interpretation is pairing together Job 1: 4 with Job 1: 6 and pairing together Job 1: 13, 20 with Job 2: 1, keeping Job 1: 5 in mind and applying that thought to with the verses that are paired together. Basically what happened is in Job 1 :4 and Job 1: 13 the feasting would be taking place, then the following day Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1 early in the morning Job would present the animal sacrifice/burnt offering unto the Lord God. Job is being made Holy as well as his Household (wife, sons, daughters), because of the sacrifice (burnt offering), sanctification, atonement and shed blood of the sacrifice, this brings Job's Household into a position of "Adoption and Purificationof souls", hence forth sons of God are explained in Job 1:6 and Job 2: 1 which happened the following day. This all took place during the days of feasting. >Part 3: Looking at when and how the word "PRESENT" is used in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1....... Job 1:6" Now there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to PRESENT himself before the Lord. It is already how the sons of God presented themselves, it is by Sanctification, made right, purification with the burnt offering/animal sacrifice by the faith of Job. Notice>>>In Job 1:6 Satan does NOT Present anything to the Lord God, he just shows up, but in Job 2:1 Satan how Satan presents himself is found in Job 1:11-12.... 11" But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord. How Satan presented himself which is his primary goal is that Job would curse God to His face found in Job 1:11-12 found in the previous verses, this leads into how Satan presented himself in Job 2:1 after Job was given over to Satan in Job 1. Again is this conversation Satan and God having in the spiritual realm or physical realm, but the scene is on the earth, not in heaven. Pointing out the 3 heavens: 2 Corinthians 12: 2-4 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." A)The word heavens can be used to refer to different realms. Heaven can refer to the sky and the earth’s atmosphere, making it the "first heaven" (Deut. 11: 11, Psalm 104: 12, Isaiah 55: 10). B) Heaven can also refer to outer space, where the stars and planets are the "second heaven" (Psalm 8: 3, Isaiah 13: 10). C) Third Heaven can refer to God’s dwelling place or throne of God, which is beyond the other 2 "heavens," a place known as the "third heaven" (Psalm 33: 13-14, Isaiah 66: 1, Matthew 6: 9, Hebrews 7: 26, Revelation 11: 19). With the conversation with Satan and God, the conversation was the "first heaven" or the realm of the earth in the sky where the clouds are while the sons of God (Job and his household) are in "Sanctified Status" presenting themselves with animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. Even when Satan tempted Jesus it was in the realm of the earth found in Matthew 4: 1-11, 3 Temptations.
One thing missing from this discussion is the woman. She has a glorified body also. New Heaven?? Things will CHANGE when all these beautiful women are around in Heaven. Can I prove it? No, *gut hunch. Why WOULDN'T Christ, Father ELohim want children HIS WAY??
So then angels have DNA 🧬 which is compatible with human DNA. Then also somehow their spirits combine and make a hybrid spirit for the offspring? Or does God create a hybrid or new spirit for the offspring? And if demons are Nephalim spirits, then everyone with that dna becomes a new demon? Meaning the # of them that exist increased over time?
I’ve never quite understood how exactly the spiritual could turn physical to include even sperm, but considering bananas share at least 60% of identical genes w man, it’s not surprising. Weird, but not surprising.
Demons would only be increasing in number if the nephilim are still here and still dying off, which by all reports, they are. But in much smaller numbers.
I have a question that has always bugged me and strangely enough is not about the topic you are covering but you did bring up Lazarus. Hebrews 9:27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Lazarus wasn't resurrected he was revivified. He did not obtain an incorruptible body when he walked out of the tomb. As far as dying once, it's easy enough to understand that that's the general rule and the only exceptions are ones Jesus or another prophet directly interacted with for the purpose of teaching us about God
Can someone tell me their opinion on something? It may have been covered elsewhere in these podcasts, but are we to actually hate Satan and be wary of him or are we to just acknowledge he is evil, that he continuously works for our destruction but still remain neutral and wary? I know we are to love our enemies, but does that extend to Satan, being another created being, even when the scripture says that we will someday judge the angels? Just curious, always had that thought. Thanks to anyone who might answer, I'd greatly appreciate it:)
I never says for us to hate Satan or to love him. Someone that is very evil in the world, we hate their works, but are to try to convince them to be saved. Satan cannot be saved in any way. Just like people that take the mark of the beast in the mid part of the 7 year tribulation cannot be saved either, because the mark changes their DNA enough, to where they are no longer human.
We love God and humanity, spreading the Good News - but Satan is an evil creature who is not redeemable since Christ sacrificed His life only for mankind, not angels. We are in constant battle with all that opposes God and fight the evil one and his legion with constant prayer. It would be absurd to be neutral toward the enemy of our Lord who is our enemy too, bent on our destruction. God hates evil; therefore, we too hate Evil.
@lgardner6867 That was also my thought. God hates Evil. Satan and his angels will never be forgiven of their sin against God and because of this, His unimaginable wrath will be upon them in the end days.
You won't become an angel. Yes, you will have a glorified body, just as all the saints that died in Christ will. You will still be a woman, but cannot die, cannot get sick, or get old, and doesn't have an old nature anymore.
@@texbex9928 you're taking this verse out of context. Gal 3:29 The context makes it clear that “neither male nor female” refers to our salvation status. All people, whether male or female, must be saved the same way, through faith in Christ, and once they are saved, they have the same rights and privileges of salvation, being equal members of the family of God. You're ignoring the verses before it.
Ok, that is one point that I am struggling with. It is said that Christ was 33 years old when he was crucified, but they say he was crucified in the year 30 AD. How is he 33 if it is only the year 30?
RC Sproul has the best explanation of whether sons of God means angels or rather God fearing line of Seth, who started taking wives from Cain's wicked line around time of Lammach. I think that's more likely. Angels don't procreate, end of story.
@@leeshadrick3155 According to Numbers 13, the Nephilim/Anak were so big that the Israelite spies felt like grasshopper. Therefore , the Anak were large/tall in stature.
@@BouncySlim1 you really should think this through better. So you think it is a literal scale of the Israelites being the size of grasshoppers in comparison to the sons of Anak? How did this supposed demon hybrid race survive after the flood? Or could it be simply that they were big and strong? Maybe like Goliath but not hundreds of feet tall. This Sci fi rendition of a few verses in Scripture is truly ridiculous.
It was definitely angels, if it were sons of seth god would have said sons of Seth, Sons of God are always angels in the scriptures. The book of ENOCH explains all this , and also explains all the crazy stuff that went on , when you read it and think about all the stories that have been told you know it's real! Decernment from the holy Spirit.....
I hope this dispels the belief that Heaven is populated only by God, His angelic host, and of course, saints. We cannot imagine the myriad of beings and creatures that populate creation. Heaven is filled with innumerable creatures, visible and invisible, animal and human. Why would Heaven be any different.
When he's on the cross and recites the psalm why have you forsaken me .... He goes on in the psalm to say the bulls of Bashan surround him. They are demons the giants of Bashan that were killed by Moses and those guys. They were watching all around the cross as he hung their expecting victory but they found defeat.
Could the Neanderthals be the fallen angels spoken of in the book of Genesis? Scripture says that women reproduced with angels and created a race of "giants". For that to occur, they would have to be very similar to human, yet we know they were slightly different than human. One possibility to consider. Although, that doesn't explain the other humanoid species that lived before and simultaneously as the Neanderthals and humans.
If all angels are male what was their sperm created for? God created them with sperm but with intention of them using it? Or were they designed to use it on human women?
Pastor Joel - 17th dimension?? (Min 22) Jesus had to go somewhere, but He didn't go to the 17th dimension...?? (Min 23) "None of this is crazy - I know it's speculation but..." (and Dr. Tim says, "No, I think that's great.")
3 years ago in New Zealand were I am living my family and I and our boarder saw a person (a man) dressed tidy and completely normal in appearance in completely broad daylight walk down our house concrete pathway in our garden on two different occasions, he walk pass us all looking about 6 feet away but never looked at us. Now I can say there was Nothing in his physical appearance out of order but in my Spirit i perceived something was very wrong we had actually encountered a Fallen Angle. We had alot of demonic activity leading up to this time and afterwards at our home as a back ground to this with this encounter , but what I want readers of this testimony to know this ( person if that's a correct term ) looked completely normal as anyone else walking down the street would look. I thank you Jesus for your protection on my self and Family.
How could something that is purely spiritual somehow become physical? What about when Jesus drove out the demons? They didn’t have bodies, that’s why the pled with Him to not send them to hell, so he allowed them to possess the swine.
No. Nephelium means big man. It was a title taken by the rulers of ancient Mesopotamia (Lugal). The vowel pointers are wrong for it to translate as a the noun 'fallen ones'. The verb 'to fall' could be represented by the Hebrew letters, but contextually it tells us it is a noun and what it means -that it is speaking of something even more ancient than written Hebrew which is dynastic rule over subjugated people (... the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.). 'Sons of God' does not solely refer to angels or Israel.... The 'giant angel baby is a king' mythology is propagated for intrigue, promoted as a means of false faith, and used as a method to justify a monarch. This 'Nephil' controversy is a good example of bad eisegesis that can become persistent. If you believe in giant angel babies... no big issue... if you think your affirmation is proof your faith is bigger and better than those who don't... then you got a problem. Strongs is/was not perfect and does not benefit from the amount of scholarship that has been possible over the last 100years. There is no historical proof of a race of giants. Lack of proof is not a contradiction. Biblically, there is no reason to insist the Bible teaches there are/were giant angel babies. The Bible is a historical record and even in this single word 'Nephil' shows us the evolution of written language and civilization, and, proves itself to be an eyewitness account through the ages. This is even more amazing and awe inspiring and proof of authority than 'giant angel baby kings' which have no historical (or biblical) support. Duet 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
The cant in their angelic form but from one end of scripture and if you want to add anecdotal evidence and later legends which obviously are not as reliable as scripture ,angels can and do take human form (i have a theory on how they do this lol).So presumably in human form they havr full human function so why not ?
Frequance Vibration are different in the Heavens (dimension) in the 5th dimension, are frequency is traveling at the least, 299 792 458m/s. We will be pure light! Meaning if we speak with out mouth to each other, we will be waiting to hear sound. I have a feeling we will be using telepathy. We enter into different dimension (Heavens) our frequency (string theory) changes to match. Higher dimension entities can enter into lower dimension 3rs and 4th. Not 5th yet that will be the new Jerusalem with 12 gates. 😮
Remember Angel means Messenger, If a ancient jew speaks in context they can be just meaning "a messenger".. Heaven = Men Only, Women, like animals have one created purpose: procreation and helper to man. Do animals go to Heaven? Do Women?
I have always wondered about this passage from Christ. Does it mean that we will not "marry" but that there will be sex? Obviously you can have sex outside of marriage but will it be allowed in Heaven among people, or does the phrase exclude it entirely. We will not have sex. I get the distinction here about "will not" and "cannot" and I agree. But I wonder what will be the sexual moral in Heaven exactly? I have always heard that since there will no longer be need for procreation then there will no longer be the need for sex, and I think that is right, except for the pleasurable aspect, and that goes for food as well yet there will be feasting in Heaven according to scripture. So does "no marriage" = no sex in heaven?
We don’t know exactly everything that happened at the resurrection. Like the flood the world changed and so did the spiritual world. Also the sons of God may have not been angels but heavenly beings. That’s why Jesus says at the resurrection we will become sons of God.
If those Angles (light and dark) 4th dimension entitie have human (made in our image) DNA, yes! FYI, if we were created in the 4th dimension (before the flood) and angles are the Lords creation, where were they created and how long ago? Our Devine Creator loves creation, he loves all kinds of creation, he really really lives creation. Also Jesus says angels don't marry in Heaven the 5th dimension because creation is done on the 3rd and 4th dimension (heavens). I really don't think there are genders in the 5th dimension at least not for procreation although there is a reason those entities present themselves in masculine form.
Wisdom is referred to as a woman. Is wisdom not one of the seven spirits of God? Idk. One night a man's voice said my name and a moment later a woman's voice said.. "Just answer." Unfortunately my mouth was kept closed.
He mentions the divine council, which was promoted by Heiser, which is Totally false, Jesus settles this in Scripture. Jesus holds the answer of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10. Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings. Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ. Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you; John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken)," 1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel. 2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
That was rude, petty, shallow, unnecessary, irrelevant, and of no benefit 🙄 I'm sure we could critique your wardrobe, but that's not what Christians are called to do. I hope Joel wears these brown shoes with every outfit from here on out just to make the point that fashion statements have nothing to do with sharing the gospel. Sounds like you have a serious heart issue to be that critical over something so benign and unimportant.
Genesis 1:11,12,21,24,25 "after his kind" What DNA does an angel have? And by the way; Genesis 1:31 "And God saw everything He made and, behold, it was very good." Your position has a lot of conjecture! Where Scripture bares no certain testimony concerning a matter, human inquirers should be aware of deciding one way or another. if it were needful to salvation to know more, Scriptures would have said so.
One cannot reject this because the Bible seems to offer as the best read that this is what happened. Thinking though about impact regarding the Fall and physiological impacts, it would seem more likely that these angels would have had no reason to be designed by God to procreate because He doesn't design extraneously. So then what, as part of the decision certain angels made to rebel, perhaps inspired by lust, they were provided with that ability? (To be blunt, to have sperm able to inseminate?) This challenges me. I would say though there is much in the created order which seem they only exist to be fallen (mosquitos as an example) but doesn't it seem likely that in the consummated New earth, that all His original designs will become evident for all His creatures and we'll see that "redeemed " purpose revealed and be astounded, so... let the Word speak and be humble eh?
What I would like to know is why God would create angels if they are all male with male genitalia and sperm what would be the point of that? Especially in heaven. Even human beings are not going to procreate in heaven.
How this happens is similar to how wolves will procreate with coyotes then coyotes will procreate with domestic dogs. There are actual examples of everything in God’s kingdom today as it was back then. I really get tired of people trying to take the greatness and simplicity of God’s creation lowered down to their standard. Like my grandmother always said “nothing more stupid than an idiot. Except an-educated idiot”. In heaven we will have an “assignment”. Most of us will be kind of police officers of the pit”. But there will be other assignments. You either trust God the Father or you DON’T!!! I trust the Father!!!
What if the the Angels in heaven do not marry is because just as the church ( female “the woman”) is married to God. Maybe it’s similar the Angels ( congregation) are married to God🤔
@@justice8718 What inferences can we draw from this? When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
@@MegaTigers01 Genesis 2, the only time when humans were pure and perfect. Seriously, you skipped the important “have you NOT read the scriptures”, implying it is already detailed on how will arrange simple things such as love unto the new heaven and the new earth. But the implications of being like the angels are massive, as in God expects us to have different relationships in that space.
OK Jesus is in a spiritual body, when are you due to poor his glory was so magnificent and break very wonderful this can only happen in spiritual body. The body may appear that you have a physical form but it is a spiritual body. Poses that we are instantly changed when we die or if we make it to the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns were instantly changed into a spiritual body. The 40 days that Jesus was on earth after his resurrectionWas kind of like a probationary period which 40 means, and to finish his final preparations of the disciples to go about spreading the gospel in good news
I have encountered two distinctly feminine angels who audibly warned me to protect me, in one instance from a demonic presence (she alerted me to fight), and another instance to warn me of a detrimental life decision. They were two very different voices but definitely female. So I cannot espouse to the ‘angels are only male’ theory. And who are We to limit God? Just because the few angels in scripture happen to be male does not negate the existence of feminine angels. Am I to believe that Only male angels watch over me when I’m showering or undressed? As a female, I find the narrow opinion of ‘male only’ angels places an inappropriate limitation on God. But I appreciate the discussion, thank you.
It’s weird to me since the implication of genesis 2 and 3, and the angel encounter with the prophet being corrected, imply that woman were cursed to be more like the angels, servants of man. Think about it, God had suitable partners for Adam that were not Eve.
Talks like this are fascinating. We see that often the reality of God's creation is "stranger than fiction." He has no limits to His creativity.
Amen
It's almost as if heaven is a real place where the rebellious angels originally lived before they took wives and dwelt on the earth. It's fascinating to me how many Christians have been taught to disbelieve the reality of heaven as a physical and real location.
@JW-tg1nn I have recently done debates with Christian apologists and pastors who don't believe heaven is real. They were taught it's non-corporeal and some mystical dimension. All recorded on my channel. 👍
I've debated people who believe and teach heaven isn't a real location.
@JW-tg1nn awesome. So you agree that angels have real spiritual bodies and eat real food and have crops they give firstfruits and tithes from, and the tree of life is a real fruit producing tree? You believe the horse that Christ returns on is a real horse? You believe the New Jerusalem is a real literal and tangible piece of land that resurrected believers will live inside of? If so, that's amazing. My 27 years as a Christian has placed me around very different teachings that call all of those things symbolic and "spiritual" - taking away their literal and tangible nature.
Set them straight Sean
1) We have to always remember that angel means messenger, not 'life kind'. 2) If there is kind of angel messengers that are only male, that means they have certain organs. Everything has a purpose. Why would all angels have a certain organ set that has no useful purpose?
Really hope Tim gets to come back again for another series on the show. These 4 installments have been some of my favorites. Learned so much, just utterly fascinating
I’m really glad you’re taking on these biblical topics. Too many people are scared to be seen to embrace anything that’s not welcomed by the world.
1:00:36 this makes more sense to me than the other way. Since everything that God does is perfect, it stands to reason that since God made them with His own hands that Adam and Eve had perfect genetics, and since then… without contact with God, we have been becoming less perfect, not more.
I always find it interesting how people accept some things as literal and some things as figurative, yet each person puts different things in different categories.
Great discussion. I think we make a big mistake by assuming every living creature in heaven is an “angel” as in a messenger that appears on earth for a specific ministerial purpose. I believe it’s pretty clear there are other creatures in heaven different from angels as we know them.
That is exactly what I was thinking!
Funny thing is if you read Revelation it’s all about heaven and earth and many DIFFERENT kinds of creatures.
It’s clear, yet many still think is all Angels.
1 Corinthians 15:39-45 (LSB) All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, and another flesh of beasts, and another flesh of birds, and another of fish. There are also heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the glory of the heavenly is one, and the glory of the earthly is another. There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for star differs from star in glory.
So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown a corruptible body, it is raised an incorruptible body; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
Angels have a body of flesh, but not like our current bodies, but like what our glorified bodies will be and what our Saviour's is.
Correct. And post-enlightenment peoples ignore those verses to their detriment.
I had a personal encounter with my Guardian Angel ... appeared totally human ... and it took me about an hour after he disappeared as quickly as he appeared for me to realize I had just spent a considerable amount of time with my Guardian Angel and there was no other explanation for it. It was 100% unambiguous. He saved me from serious trouble, perhaps even death, first appearing as a cop, then towed me home, SAME GUY, only this time with the cop having disappeared when the tow truck he promised to call me arrived. The switch, from cop to tow truck and driver, took about a minute, no exaggeration, then the tow truck driver told me to stay in the car and keep it on neutral, at which point he not only took me home, he backed my car into my assigned parking spot (Townhouse), and just like that, in the blink of an eye, he was gone, just like the cop, although it was obviously the same guy. That's when I realized neither one of them, the cop or the tow truck driver, ever asked for my license, registration, insurance card or verbally asked for my name and address, yet not only did the tow truck take me home, out of the 50 or so parking spots in the lot he put my car in my assigned spot, without ever asking me which spot was mine. BTW I rapped my car around a pole I knocked down on the divider. The next morning when I realized I had a supernatural encounter with my Guardian Angel (and we did briefly talk when he was the cop, and he just kindly asked if I was okay, then I remembered he did call me by my first name without asking for my name), but the rest all happened after a brief chat and he kindly told me he would call me a tow truck. So I go back to that EXACT SAME SPOT the next morning (a friend gave me a ride) just to see the damage. Well the pole was standing as if it had never been knocked down and there were no skids marks or ZERO indications on the grass divider that an accident occurred. That said, the MAIN POINT IS, I know for sure that Angels can appear as human as you and me. Somehow they can depart the spirit realm and enter the material realm ... and BTW, such encounters are Biblical too, so I know I'm not crazy.
So um … your guardian angel didn’t save you from crashing into a pole, and they didn’t fix your car. Instead, they towed your wrecked vehicle home and fixed the pole?!
No you did not
@@aallen5256 He said I'm not reporting you or arresting you for speeding, in the rain no less, but the damage you did to your car is all the punishment you need to teach you a lesson about driving safely,. That's actually the most memorable thing he said during a brief admonishment. He was right too. I became a much safer driver and never had another accident. Also if you knock a divider pole down in my state you're supposed to pay for it, but the officer (Angel) didn't charge me. Lastly, at the very least I should have received a ticket for speeding, but again, he said the damage to my car (and no-one else) was punishment enough to teach me a lesson about driving safely, and it did. But this is all a digression. My main point was how that showed me, DIRECTLY, how Angels can appear as men. God even warns in the Bible: "Be kind to strangers because you never know if you are entertaining angels." I can't recall the chapter and verse, but I distinctly recall reading it.
@@2GunRock Righttttt, angels can appear as men - but limited to only one man? You said the cop and the towtruck driver were the same person! Anyway, they were being kind to you, not the other way round. I think you’re shortchanging a kind policeman somewhere.
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Believe what you will. I'll try no further to convince you. That night was between me and God.
I've really enjoyed these conversations!
It’s interesting how they voice their speculation on angels being exclusively male but fail to observes that Genesis 6:2 says that “the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful” and then took wives and/or married them. This is an exclusive male action! And if Paul is referring to Genesis 6 regarding women covering their heads then again we have a male exclusive reference. So if female angels do exist then they are much better at controlling their libidos. Regarding this, isn’t it strange that God creates a male gendered species with sexual desire and with no legitimate sexual expression-especially in view of Genesis 1:11-24 “according to its/their kind," 1:27 "male and female he created them," 2:18 “It is not good that the man should be alone.”
The latter part of your question is exactly what I was wondering 🤔
Enjoyed all your talks.
Thank you.
Excellent info. Deep and mind boggling!!
I really enjoyed this discussion.
At around the 18:00 minute mark, I'm not sure why Amillenials would be singled out as being substantially differently than post or premillenials at that point. We believe all the same things after the final return of Christ in terms of the new heavens and new earth and how we will be.
Joel has pointed out that anil and postmil agree on the timing of the millennium but postmil and oremil agree about the nature of the millennium
@cosmictreason2242 yeah that seems about right. I was/am a bit confused though because Chaffey seems to be saying that amillenials might not agree that we will have physical bodies and do work in the new earth, which I think all eschatological views put after the millennial reign and tribulation
Excellent talk.
I think the descriptions are literal. Otherwise what is the metaphorical reference?
One point to add-Jesus didn’t “teleport” before being in His resurrected body, but Philip did in
Act 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Act 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea
This ability will be possible for us all as will walking on water. We are limited by sin’s curse to the 4 dimensions but in our resurrected bodies we will be able to access all dimensions. We will still be in physical bodies but they will be glorified!
All of creation, including angels, is physical. They access the spiritual existence but they are physical.
There is also much evidence that there are several different types/kinds of angels and a system of hierarchy even amongst them. Some angels are described as beautiful some are terrifying and some appear to men to be in a form that inspires worship evidenced by biblical accounts of men falling to their knees to worship before being swiftly rebuked.
This talk helped affirm something I had been pondering for quite a long time. Because it’s been my belief, and especially from listening to NDEs, that everything in the Spiritual Realm, as well as Spiritual Beings, are just as Solid and more Real, than anything in this Physical Realm. Which for me begged the question, since the Spiritual Realm is so much more Superior to the Physical Realm, I’ve wondered before about what the reason’s were, for why God created the Physical Realm in the first place ?
But the only thing I could think of for an explanation, was from something Saint Paul had said, and to paraphrase, “that it’s necessary for the Physical first before the Spiritual. And so for the physical forms of life, it evidently must be necessary and similar to the biological need of metamorphosis for transformation; for example, like a Tadpole that turns into a Frog, and the fuzzy Caterpillar that turns into a Butterfly.
And so the uniqueness in the forms life, of what had once been only Physical, becoming part of the Spiritual, through death, by being transformed from the Physical Realm, must be very unique forms of life in comparison to what had always been part of the Spiritual Realm. And of course it’s also what Jesus, the Creator, willingly lowered Himself to become Human, in order to be the acceptable Sacrifice for Sin on our behalf.
And here’s another thought, for another topic, that this video discussed, and which I’m sure most probably won’t agree with concerning Ezekiel’s experience. Because I know that both these men and probably most Christians, tie their minds into knots, trying to imagine and interpret Ezekiel‘s description of what he seen, as being some strange form of an exotic Angelic Being.
And I know why they bend over backwards trying to believe that explanation, because the alternative opens up a can of worms that no one wants to deal with. But personally I do agree with them to a point, and believe that Scripture obviously implied the truth, in that it truly was a messenger from God.
And I have my own hypothesis, but due to length, I won’t go into it here. But it’s also the type of thing that I have no problem, if it turns out that I’m wrong about it. And I’m sure that I won’t have to wait terribly long in order to find out, if some peoples interpretation of what they think Ezekiel really did see was a living, very strange and exotic looking Angelic Being.
But until I do find out otherwise, I’m convinced that some people are turning an ideological blind eye to the obvious.
Because even though Ezekiel didn’t know what he was seeing, it shouldn’t be that difficult for us. And I honestly don’t know how Ezekiel could have done a more convincing job, describing what was obviously a physically huge, very sophisticated, and powerful Flying Machine.
And that was evidently being piloted by intelligent Beings, that could communicate with him telepathically.
And I think we put God in a box, due to our very limited understanding in how we perceive the very fabric of Space and Time. And then we literally have no understanding, in how the Galaxies and even the Spiritual Realms are connected and interwoven with the Physical Realm, to believe that God’s Messengers can only be either Spiritual Angels or Human Beings.
And I also know that the perimeters are very tight in order for life to exist in the Universe as we know it, but I also know that God doesn’t create anything for no reason. And He didn’t create our Milky Way Galaxy, with hundreds of billions of other Worlds, as well as hundreds of billions of other Galaxies, for no reason other than for us to ponder.
And yes Human Beings are the Crown Jewel created in the likeness of God, and that we share many of his attributes, that make our humanity uniquely special, that no other creatures in all the Universe possess, aside from God’s Angels. But in my opinion only, in spite of Mankind, being uniquely special, as God’s Crown Jewel in all Creation, along with His Holy Angels, to claim that there are no other intelligent creatures in all the Universe, other than Mankind and Angels, in my opinion is totally ludicrous and absurd.
I’ve read that Scientists consider it a miraculous anomaly, and by mathematical odds of chance it should be impossible, that the Universe is made up of chemical compounds that is essential for life as we know it. Elements like hydrogen, helium, oxygen, nitrogen, iron, are most abundant in the Universe especially in Stars and Interstellar gas clouds, as well as carbon that is everywhere, and that’s the basic building blocks of matter, which is the fundamental building block of life on Earth. And so the way I see it anyway, God designed the Universe, to be filled with everything necessary, along with countless Galaxies, that are like huge spawning ponds for every manner of physical life from the mind of God, that will go on forever. And in a perfect World, after the Lord returns, and the Son’s of God are finally revealed, that all of Creation have been waiting for, I can only imagine what Mankind’s Custodial Role might be.
Now I could be wrong, and if so, I’d be interested in hearing what other explanations, there might be, for why there is a Milky Way Galaxy, as well as the billions of other Galaxies that the Hubble telescope and James Webb telescope are giving us photos of, unless God is deceiving us with illusions that aren’t real.
But just because female angels aren’t mentioned doesn’t mean there are no female angels. Aren’t you reading into scriptures? There are only a few angels mentioned and of course because of the era would a human man even listen to a female Angel? And if we are all to become males then GOD will destroy half of his creation by destroying all females. Why did GOD see fit to create Eve for Adam vice sending another male?? So many questions.
Genesis 2 has Adam being offered female angels as an help. Way before Eve, Adam’s great desire, existed.
And trust me, that great desire in itself comes back with Leah and Rachel, in which Jacob chooses Leah, what he didn’t desire, over Rachel, the one he desired.
A part of the lesson with Genesis is to ask God for guidance instead of seeking what is in your heart, since your heart is wicked and will lead you to wickedness. And fulfilling what was in your desire would ultimately be less fulfilling than what God wanted you to have, the Leah.
I wish that the interviewer had allowed Tim Chaffey to elaborate more on the subject rather than hijacking the conversation.
I have a thought about female angels: first of all, you guys kind of did the same thing - reading more into the story than what is there. When Jesus said the angels aren't married and given in marriage, this was an idiom for death and divorcing and marrying multiple people. More specifically to the story they were trying to trick him in where the one woman had 7 husbands. When you look at the telling of this in Luke you get a clearer picture because Luke completed the sentence: "for you will be like the angels 'who don't die' ". So there will be no need for a woman to marry seven brothers because no one will die in heaven. The kind of marriage that we do on earth is a covenant for sinful people, we don't know what is in store, but way too much is read into that passage.
He also told them that they didn't know the answer because they didn't know the scriptures- my question to you then, is where in the OT, or in the scriptures would Jesus have known the answer to this?
If the angels were obviously given the capacity to procreate, but not the mate to procreate with, they would be the only creatures that God did that to, but, my main thought is this, is if female women were created with certain roles, such as bearing children and raising them in the home, is it not possible that that is the reason we don't read of them? Because they are busy raising baby angels? Even plants procreate. It seems that everything with life that God makes procreates. And they have the ability.
Just a thought.
Say your a female without saying your a female ….
The huge issue is that Genesis 2 is the only reference point of unfallen mankind, and it’s implied that angels were crafted from Eden’s ground (beast of the field, like Lucifer), which will make more sense to be Adam’s an help, than you know, literal animals.
So it makes so much sense of Christ was referring to that scripture, because it showcases the time when mankind was a son of god and were like the angels of heaven.
@@zazaprendido2815 If that’s how you declare your decree on a woman with good questions, then you are an embarrassment to God and his design for man.
WELL THEN WHAT ARE 'CHERUBS' OR CHERUBIM? BUT BABY ANGELS? YES?
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Not baby like at all.
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I hear from a couple pastors once that Satan is constantly tempting you but also he is your thoughts but to certain degree constantly telling yourself things about yourself that is negative. All thoughts are lies is he key only hypothetical ones. I get up to to work, I take care of my kids and wife etc etc
As it is above, so it is below. Logically that works the other way as well. On earth G'd uses a system of genetics to provide variance to the life he created here--so mightn't he do the same for the created brings above? If so, it's not much of a leap to have heavenly creatures mating with earthly ones--albeit, with obvious difficulty especially after G'd seems to have restricted interspecies breeding AFTER all flesh was corrupted--Noah being the only pure man (in his generations--genetically).
My theory is that the antediluvian era was MUCH more bizarre and disorientating to us today than most western Christians imagine. That being said, these technologies we see today are being given to humans in many cases, not invented by us. I would point out that according to the book of Enoch (again, not gospel here...) technologies were all "given" to us by heavenly beings before. Is this an ongoing attempt to counteract the measures placed by G'd in prohibition of interspecies breeding? Days of Noah... Sigh...
Makes much more sense. All about hybrid creatures registred in ancient creatures?
Augustin was influenced by Gnosticism so that's probably why he hated the angelic view. And Calvin loved Augustin and pretty much agreed with whatever he wrote.
simple question, shy would God give angels genitalia and sperm. Were they supposed to procreate with angels or anything. Did God tell them to be fruitful and multiply? we are not asking can not but rather why would
God give them genitalia?
It only happens when they materialize into our world where they take any form they wish - temporary. Before going back into their world. For the Fallen Angel's its the second heaven, another higher Dimension between our world and the third Heaven where God is.
fascinating discussion
Biblical text says they will mingle their seed but will not cleave. It also says we will be like the angels, being neither male nor female, though when appearing in form it was always male - which makes sense as man was created in the image of God.
i could have sworn i've seen the neither male nor female phrasing but i can't find it in any translation. Any clues?
Galatians 3:28
@@nbo304 Galatians 3:28.
That is not what the passage means at all.
It’s about church doctrine.
And did you forget that the church is a woman????
34:23 It’s not so much gnostic as it is we neutralize everything. If it’s spiritual, we try to make it more materialistic. If it’s materialistic, we try to make it more spiritual. It’s like we want to live in the boring and confused world that’s lukewarm to both spiritual and material.
A Tim alberino interview would be really interesting on this topic
He’s just not my favorite person. I personally think he’s unbiblical in a lot of what he says.
@@QueenQaffirI agree, I followed him for a while but wasn’t comfortable with his theology. Also he tends towards all the fantastical that’s out there now and puts too much weight in modern myths.
@@QueenQaffir definitely agree, a lot of his theology and understanding of the word is eisegetical. But he does hold a similar view. I moreso just think it would be an interesting interview, plus I think Joel would ask some questions that Tim hasn't really answered before like what his base theological framework is
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It seems to me that Albertino leans to the modern myths and the fantastical because the speculation is where the “clicks” are.
Much like the History channel, Erich Von Daniken, etc.
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Thomas touched His resurrected body.
Blame the teachers/preachers/religion and false conversions for the schism of understanding between the divine and the material.
The Lord's sheep know His voice and follow what the Holy Spirit says and teaches. May we submit to Him alone...not man. Night is coming and many are and will be deceived within the religion, as well as outside.
Lilith is mentioned in scripture, and Lilith is thought of as female in Jewish tradition.
Lilith is a Demon from Jewish-Babylonian origin outside of the Bible. It's unbiblical it claims that Lilith was Adams first wife, before Eve.
If there are not female angels, then it makes no sense for Jesus in Mt 22:30 to make reference to angels not marrying. Perhaps the messenger and soldier angels are male, and those that minister before the throne are female.
No it also makes perfect sense if marriage is an inferior picture of intimacy with God which the holy angels already possess
@@cosmictreason2242 Uh. NOT! God did not say to Adam, "Gee Adam, why is your intimacy with me not enough? I am not going to create a woman." The response in Mat 22:30, was that "they" [male and female] are as the angels[male and female], but do not marry. Anything else is damaging to the text. This is not a case where he is trying to start a new parable hiding truth. He did not answer apples with oranges. He was stating plain clear direct comparison.
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And GOD said “let us make man in our image…. Male and female created them… which indicates that males and females are in heaven.
I just don’t understand why so many men want it to only be males in heaven; what is that about??
@@qesther1241your point is extremely flawed. God said “let Us create/make…” angels can’t create so the creative entity is the Trinity not angels. So this doesn’t speak of the gender of angels.
The sons of God in Job 1: 4-6 Sanctified/Explained....Context is King.
4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them.
5 And when the days of the feast had run their course, Job would send and consecrate (SANCTIFY) them, and he would rise early in the morning and offer burnt offerings according to the number of them all. For Job said, “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” Thus Job did continually.
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
It is insisted this is angels which is false, Okay lets break these verse down in 3 parts,
>Part 1: The big one is the word Sanctify found in verse 5, becasue Job is presenting a burnt offering/animal for his children. Job is head of the household/the patriarch and father of his family, so it is his duty to present the sacrifice for his children to "Sanctify" them, meaning Sacntify their souls. The verse says in verse 5 “It may be that my children have sinned, and cursed God in their hearts.” The verse use the word hearts, which means inner person or the heart of a person, their soul.
The word Sanctify means set apart as or declare holy; consecrate, make legitimate or binding by religious sanction, free from sin; purify: cause to be or seem morally right or acceptable:
Job being the Patrarch of the family, is performing a priestly duty, angels have NO priestly duties or present animal sacrfices unto the Lord God. Angels have NOTHING to do with Sanctification. Jesus on the Cross is the High Priest and was the Sacrifice on the Cross for Sanctification, Jesus paid the final sin debt in full on the Cross for sinful man. The result from Jesus who is the son of God, the sanctification of a sacrifice whether a burnt offering/animal sacrifice or the sacrifice of Chirst put sinful souls in the postition of purification (sanctified) to be sons of God or called children of God. NOTICE verse 5 says " Thus Job did continually," which means Job continually offered burnt offerings unto the Lord for sanctification for the souls of his family or children.
>Part 2: Now that the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, sanctification, priestly duties and sons of God being set apart/purified are established, lets look at the word "day/yom". Verse 4 and 5b "4 His sons used to go and hold a feast in the house of each one on his day, and they would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them. 5 And when the days of the feast had run their course,"
What text is say there were these feast days. These feast days are celebrations maybe celebrating birthdays or some special occasion, but each of these feast days had there own day, think of it like the days of creation found in Genesis, each day had it's own day. Day 1 - light and time (Gen 1:3-5) Day 2 - the sky and “separated” waters (Gen 1:6-8) Day 3 - dry ground, bodies of water, and plants (Gen 1:9-13) Day 4 - the sun, moon, stars, and planets (Gen 1:14-19) Day 5 - fish and birds (Gen 1:20-23) Day 6 - land animals and humans (Gen 1:24-31). The hebrew word for day is Strong's Hebrew: 3117. יוֹם (yom) -- day - Bible Hub. Whether these are literal days or each day is a 1,000 years it is debatable, but it is for the readers understanding that God is the creator.
Okay this is the same approach for the word "day/yom" in Job, this is not a 1,000 years for the word "day/yom", but each day is its own day for these feast days, just like the days of creation. Lets look at each of these feast days for Job's household.
When Job presented the animal sacrifice/burnt offering (Job 1:5) this was in the days (Plural) of Feasting. There are Two "DAYS" mentioned in the days of feasting found in Job 1: 4 and Job 1: 13 and there are also Two "DAYS/YOM" when the sons of God presented themselves Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1. Whether this is in the physical realm or the spiritual realm, that is debatable it is open to discussion, even when Satan tempted Jesus 3 times was that in the physical realm or the spiritual realm.
Job 1:4 " And his sons would go and feast houses, each on his DAY, and would send and invite their three sisters to eat and drink with them
Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
Job 1:4 is a Day/Yom and Job 1:6 is another Day/Yom, but both Days are part of the Days of Feasting
Job 1: 13 " Now there was a DAY/YOM when his sons and daughters eating and drinking wine in their oldest brother’s house;" >>>>>Job:1 19 and behold, a great wind came across the wilderness and struck the four corners of the house, and it fell upon the young people, and they are dead, and I alone have escaped to tell you.”
Job 1:20 Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. 21 And he said, “Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The Lord gave, and the Lord has taken away; blessed be the name of the Lord.”
Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
Notice in verese 20 that Job shaved his head and fell to the gorond and worshiped, during the presenting of burnt offerings/animal sacrifices, the worshippers would fall to the ground while presenting the burnt offerings/animal sacrifices in the OT, in a state of worship towards God. Shaving the head which was then a usual ceremony in mourning: of which see Ezra 9:3; Isaiah 15:2; Isaiah 22:12; Jeremiah 7:29; Jeremiah 41:5; Micah 1:16. Job was mourning over the loss and death of his children. Angels do not shave their heads for mourning.
Another thing to Notice Job 1: 6 "Now there was a DAY"YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.
Job 2: 1 "Again there was a DAY/YOM when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the Lord.
In Job 1:6 happened when Job's children were living and in Job 2:1, Job's childrenhad lost their lives and were no longer living ound in verse 19.
The proper interpretation is pairing together Job 1: 4 with Job 1: 6 and pairing together Job 1: 13, 20 with Job 2: 1, keeping Job 1: 5 in mind and applying that thought to with the verses that are paired together. Basically what happened is in Job 1 :4 and Job 1: 13 the feasting would be taking place, then the following day Job 1: 6 and Job 2: 1 early in the morning Job would present the animal sacrifice/burnt offering unto the Lord God. Job is being made Holy as well as his Household (wife, sons, daughters), because of the sacrifice (burnt offering), sanctification, atonement and shed blood of the sacrifice, this brings Job's Household into a position of "Adoption and Purificationof souls", hence forth sons of God are explained in Job 1:6 and Job 2: 1 which happened the following day. This all took place during the days of feasting.
>Part 3: Looking at when and how the word "PRESENT" is used in Job 1:6 and Job 2:1....... Job 1:6" Now there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to PRESENT themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them to PRESENT himself before the Lord.
It is already how the sons of God presented themselves, it is by Sanctification, made right, purification with the burnt offering/animal sacrifice by the faith of Job.
Notice>>>In Job 1:6 Satan does NOT Present anything to the Lord God, he just shows up, but in Job 2:1 Satan how Satan presents himself is found in Job 1:11-12.... 11" But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
How Satan presented himself which is his primary goal is that Job would curse God to His face found in Job 1:11-12 found in the previous verses, this leads into how Satan presented himself in Job 2:1 after Job was given over to Satan in Job 1. Again is this conversation Satan and God having in the spiritual realm or physical realm, but the scene is on the earth, not in heaven.
Pointing out the 3 heavens:
2 Corinthians 12: 2-4 "I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago whether in the body I do not know, or whether out of the body I do not know, God knows such a one was caught up to the third heaven. 3 And I know such a man whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, God knows 4 how he was caught up into Paradise and heard inexpressible words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."
A)The word heavens can be used to refer to different realms. Heaven can refer to the sky and the earth’s atmosphere, making it the "first heaven" (Deut. 11: 11, Psalm 104: 12, Isaiah 55: 10).
B) Heaven can also refer to outer space, where the stars and planets are the "second heaven" (Psalm 8: 3, Isaiah 13: 10).
C) Third Heaven can refer to God’s dwelling place or throne of God, which is beyond the other 2 "heavens," a place known as the "third heaven" (Psalm 33: 13-14, Isaiah 66: 1, Matthew 6: 9, Hebrews 7: 26, Revelation 11: 19).
With the conversation with Satan and God, the conversation was the "first heaven" or the realm of the earth in the sky where the clouds are while the sons of God (Job and his household) are in "Sanctified Status" presenting themselves with animal sacrifices and burnt offerings. Even when Satan tempted Jesus it was in the realm of the earth found in Matthew 4: 1-11, 3 Temptations.
One thing missing from this discussion is the woman. She has a glorified body also. New Heaven?? Things will CHANGE when all these beautiful women are around in Heaven. Can I prove it? No, *gut hunch. Why WOULDN'T Christ, Father ELohim want children HIS WAY??
So then angels have DNA 🧬 which is compatible with human DNA. Then also somehow their spirits combine and make a hybrid spirit for the offspring? Or does God create a hybrid or new spirit for the offspring?
And if demons are Nephalim spirits, then everyone with that dna becomes a new demon? Meaning the # of them that exist increased over time?
I’ve never quite understood how exactly the spiritual could turn physical to include even sperm, but considering bananas share at least 60% of identical genes w man, it’s not surprising. Weird, but not surprising.
Demons would only be increasing in number if the nephilim are still here and still dying off, which by all reports, they are. But in much smaller numbers.
Yes!!!
Here is another very amazing thing to think about: angels are able to meet us in our dreams???? (Gabriel with Joseph, Mary's husband).
Appointed for man to die once and after that comes judgment, except for Lazarus and some others who had the good fortune of dying twice
Could one argue that we are slightly higher than angels citing the verses where we will judge the angels?
I have a question that has always bugged me and strangely enough is not about the topic you are covering but you did bring up Lazarus. Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment,
Lazarus wasn't resurrected he was revivified. He did not obtain an incorruptible body when he walked out of the tomb. As far as dying once, it's easy enough to understand that that's the general rule and the only exceptions are ones Jesus or another prophet directly interacted with for the purpose of teaching us about God
Can someone tell me their opinion on something? It may have been covered elsewhere in these podcasts, but are we to actually hate Satan and be wary of him or are we to just acknowledge he is evil, that he continuously works for our destruction but still remain neutral and wary? I know we are to love our enemies, but does that extend to Satan, being another created being, even when the scripture says that we will someday judge the angels? Just curious, always had that thought. Thanks to anyone who might answer, I'd greatly appreciate it:)
Look up Amos 5:15. If Satan is the epitome of evil...You tell me.
I never says for us to hate Satan or to love him. Someone that is very evil in the world, we hate their works, but are to try to convince them to be saved. Satan cannot be saved in any way. Just like people that take the mark of the beast in the mid part of the 7 year tribulation cannot be saved either, because the mark changes their DNA enough, to where they are no longer human.
We love God and humanity, spreading the Good News - but Satan is an evil creature who is not redeemable since Christ sacrificed His life only for mankind, not angels. We are in constant battle with all that opposes God and fight the evil one and his legion with constant prayer. It would be absurd to be neutral toward the enemy of our Lord who is our enemy too, bent on our destruction. God hates evil; therefore, we too hate Evil.
Love thy enemy.
@lgardner6867 That was also my thought. God hates Evil. Satan and his angels will never be forgiven of their sin against God and because of this, His unimaginable wrath will be upon them in the end days.
Joel, if you haven’t, may I suggest a deep dive into Gary Wayne. He’s really the foremost Christian researcher in this field of Ministry 🙏🏻🙏🏻
As a woman, what do I become in my glorified body if I will be like the angels? Will I be male?
You won't become an angel. Yes, you will have a glorified body, just as all the saints that died in Christ will. You will still be a woman, but cannot die, cannot get sick, or get old, and doesn't have an old nature anymore.
The Biblical text says we will be neither male nor female.
@@texbex9928 you're taking this verse out of context. Gal 3:29 The context makes it clear that “neither male nor female” refers to our salvation status. All people, whether male or female, must be saved the same way, through faith in Christ, and once they are saved, they have the same rights and privileges of salvation, being equal members of the family of God.
You're ignoring the verses before it.
Ok, that is one point that I am struggling with. It is said that Christ was 33 years old when he was crucified, but they say he was crucified in the year 30 AD. How is he 33 if it is only the year 30?
Jesus was most likely born before year “0”. 4 bc is what most commentaries will ascribe. It was miscalculated early on.
@@TheDiscipleSmiths Thanks.
RC Sproul has the best explanation of whether sons of God means angels or rather God fearing line of Seth, who started taking wives from Cain's wicked line around time of Lammach. I think that's more likely. Angels don't procreate, end of story.
Question: Why would unequal yoked (Cain's seed + Seth's seed) couples create giants?
@@BouncySlim1 because they are great men. Men of renown. If they are huge giants. Then how big are they? Big like Goliath? Big like a mountain?
@@leeshadrick3155 According to Numbers 13, the Nephilim/Anak were so big that the Israelite spies felt like grasshopper. Therefore , the Anak were large/tall in stature.
@@BouncySlim1 you really should think this through better. So you think it is a literal scale of the Israelites being the size of grasshoppers in comparison to the sons of Anak? How did this supposed demon hybrid race survive after the flood? Or could it be simply that they were big and strong? Maybe like Goliath but not hundreds of feet tall. This Sci fi rendition of a few verses in Scripture is truly ridiculous.
@@leeshadrick3155*"FELT"* like grasshoppers.......
It was definitely angels, if it were sons of seth god would have said sons of Seth, Sons of God are always angels in the scriptures. The book of ENOCH explains all this , and also explains all the crazy stuff that went on , when you read it and think about all the stories that have been told you know it's real! Decernment from the holy Spirit.....
I hope this dispels the belief that Heaven is populated only by God, His angelic host, and of course, saints. We cannot imagine the myriad of beings and creatures that populate creation. Heaven is filled with innumerable creatures, visible and invisible, animal and human. Why would Heaven be any different.
When he's on the cross and recites the psalm why have you forsaken me .... He goes on in the psalm to say the bulls of Bashan surround him. They are demons the giants of Bashan that were killed by Moses and those guys. They were watching all around the cross as he hung their expecting victory but they found defeat.
Could the Neanderthals be the fallen angels spoken of in the book of Genesis?
Scripture says that women reproduced with angels and created a race of "giants". For that to occur, they would have to be very similar to human, yet we know they were slightly different than human.
One possibility to consider. Although, that doesn't explain the other humanoid species that lived before and simultaneously as the Neanderthals and humans.
The Valkyrie were described as angelic beings and female. Also described as Swan Maidens. Is there any connection to the Bible?
I believe all angels are male essence, due to it is more powerful than the female essence...?
An old story ?
If all angels are male what was their sperm created for? God created them with sperm but with intention of them using it? Or were they designed to use it on human women?
Neon join are throughout the narrative of the Bible. Also some think Lucifer was the fifth cheribim of the throne. He covering angel of the throne.
Pastor Joel - 17th dimension?? (Min 22) Jesus had to go somewhere, but He didn't go to the 17th dimension...??
(Min 23) "None of this is crazy - I know it's speculation but..." (and Dr. Tim says, "No, I think that's great.")
3 years ago in New Zealand were I am living my family and I and our boarder saw a person (a man) dressed tidy and completely normal in appearance in completely broad daylight walk down our house concrete pathway in our garden on two different occasions, he walk pass us all looking about 6 feet away but never looked at us. Now I can say there was Nothing in his physical appearance out of order but in my Spirit i perceived something was very wrong we had actually encountered a Fallen Angle. We had alot of demonic activity leading up to this time and afterwards at our home as a back ground to this with this encounter , but what I want readers of this testimony to know this ( person if that's a correct term ) looked completely normal as anyone else walking down the street would look.
I thank you Jesus for your protection on my self and Family.
How could something that is purely spiritual somehow become physical? What about when Jesus drove out the demons? They didn’t have bodies, that’s why the pled with Him to not send them to hell, so he allowed them to possess the swine.
Metaphysics is pretty important in keeping people from falling off into complete absurdity like this.
No. Nephelium means big man. It was a title taken by the rulers of ancient Mesopotamia (Lugal). The vowel pointers are wrong for it to translate as a the noun 'fallen ones'. The verb 'to fall' could be represented by the Hebrew letters, but contextually it tells us it is a noun and what it means -that it is speaking of something even more ancient than written Hebrew which is dynastic rule over subjugated people (... the sons of God came in to the daughters of man and they bore children to them. These were the mighty men who were of old, the men of renown.). 'Sons of God' does not solely refer to angels or Israel.... The 'giant angel baby is a king' mythology is propagated for intrigue, promoted as a means of false faith, and used as a method to justify a monarch. This 'Nephil' controversy is a good example of bad eisegesis that can become persistent.
If you believe in giant angel babies... no big issue... if you think your affirmation is proof your faith is bigger and better than those who don't... then you got a problem. Strongs is/was not perfect and does not benefit from the amount of scholarship that has been possible over the last 100years. There is no historical proof of a race of giants. Lack of proof is not a contradiction. Biblically, there is no reason to insist the Bible teaches there are/were giant angel babies. The Bible is a historical record and even in this single word 'Nephil' shows us the evolution of written language and civilization, and, proves itself to be an eyewitness account through the ages. This is even more amazing and awe inspiring and proof of authority than 'giant angel baby kings' which have no historical (or biblical) support.
Duet 32:8 When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
Why was noah preserved?
Because he was perfect in all his generations.
The cant in their angelic form but from one end of scripture and if you want to add anecdotal evidence and later legends which obviously are not as reliable as scripture ,angels can and do take human form (i have a theory on how they do this lol).So presumably in human form they havr full human function so why not ?
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How about the giant harry man of the forest? Sasquatch.
Be nice if he put a link in the description for the other three videos
Go to his Playlists, they’re grouped together there 😊
So Angels were created to procreate?
Frequance Vibration are different in the Heavens (dimension) in the 5th dimension, are frequency is traveling at the least, 299 792 458m/s. We will be pure light! Meaning if we speak with out mouth to each other, we will be waiting to hear sound. I have a feeling we will be using telepathy. We enter into different dimension (Heavens) our frequency (string theory) changes to match. Higher dimension entities can enter into lower dimension 3rs and 4th. Not 5th yet that will be the new Jerusalem with 12 gates. 😮
Remember Angel means Messenger, If a ancient jew speaks in context they can be just meaning "a messenger".. Heaven = Men Only, Women, like animals have one created purpose: procreation and helper to man. Do animals go to Heaven? Do Women?
Never mind I figured it out
I have always wondered about this passage from Christ. Does it mean that we will not "marry" but that there will be sex? Obviously you can have sex outside of marriage but will it be allowed in Heaven among people, or does the phrase exclude it entirely. We will not have sex. I get the distinction here about "will not" and "cannot" and I agree. But I wonder what will be the sexual moral in Heaven exactly? I have always heard that since there will no longer be need for procreation then there will no longer be the need for sex, and I think that is right, except for the pleasurable aspect, and that goes for food as well yet there will be feasting in Heaven according to scripture. So does "no marriage" = no sex in heaven?
And what about them leaving off their Heavenly apparel to come into this realm at least After the flood
If they could procreate then, why not now? What would limit them from doing it over and over and … over?
We don’t know exactly everything that happened at the resurrection. Like the flood the world changed and so did the spiritual world. Also the sons of God may have not been angels but heavenly beings. That’s why Jesus says at the resurrection we will become sons of God.
I dunno but the angels having weird animal faces might help explain the monstrosities of the nephalim.
? Wingless, 30 something males ?? Not to be confused with Winged Cherubim's and Seraphim's
Man will be glorified when we go to heaven.Jesus is in the shape of a man but glorified. I have seen him like that.
I believe all the Angles are men but my question is where does that leave us? God is not going to change my gender, so where will women be in Heaven?
...Earthly hope for most of humans.
144000 first 'sheep', go 2 heaven ; the rest of humans
If those Angles (light and dark) 4th dimension entitie have human (made in our image) DNA, yes!
FYI, if we were created in the 4th dimension (before the flood) and angles are the Lords creation, where were they created and how long ago?
Our Devine Creator loves creation, he loves all kinds of creation, he really really lives creation.
Also Jesus says angels don't marry in Heaven the 5th dimension because creation is done on the 3rd and 4th dimension (heavens).
I really don't think there are genders in the 5th dimension at least not for procreation although there is a reason those entities present themselves in masculine form.
Have you heard of Tony Merkel?? He's ( Bible believing) looking into a lot of giants, Bigfoot Etc.
Yes, and I didn’t have to ask a theologian, I just read the Bible.
Wisdom is referred to as a woman. Is wisdom not one of the seven spirits of God? Idk. One night a man's voice said my name and a moment later a woman's voice said.. "Just answer." Unfortunately my mouth was kept closed.
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He mentions the divine council, which was promoted by Heiser, which is Totally false, Jesus settles this in Scripture.
Jesus holds the answer of the gods/elohim of Psalm 82 in John 10.
Israel are the "gods" in Psalm 82, the "gods" are human NOT nonhuman meaning angels/spirit beings.
Israel was unique from the pagan nations that surrounded them, Israel had the law of God, 10 commandment, prophets and a Levitical priesthood. Since Israel had the law of God, it put Israel in the position of being "gods," becuase God chose them, Israel was God's chosen people. They were chosen because of Christ.
Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;
John 10: 34-35 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? 35 If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),"
1. >>>>"I said, “You are gods” >>>>>ONCE by the God (Father) in Psalm 82. Aspaph is the Author and Psalmist of Psalm 82. Prophets of the Old Testament like Asaph the "word of the Lord" would come to Prophets like Asaph. Prophets were the "Voice" of God. God (Father) would communicate His words through the prophets, God does that here in Psalm 82:6 I said, “You are gods, sons of the Most High, all of you;">>>>>>>>Israel, Psalm 82 uses the word "all". This clearly is not about a bunch of watchers/super angels of a divine council. The Psalms were written to and for Israel.
2. SECOND time Jesus in John 10: 34 Repeats >>>> ‘I said, “You are gods”
Brother Joel, if I promise to buy two books, will you promise to buy an appropriate pair of black shoes to go with that suit?
That was rude, petty, shallow, unnecessary, irrelevant, and of no benefit 🙄 I'm sure we could critique your wardrobe, but that's not what Christians are called to do. I hope Joel wears these brown shoes with every outfit from here on out just to make the point that fashion statements have nothing to do with sharing the gospel. Sounds like you have a serious heart issue to be that critical over something so benign and unimportant.
I would think the Nephilim were a hybrid breed and could not have children
Aren't Angels ministering Spirits tho?
Genesis 1:11,12,21,24,25 "after his kind" What DNA does an angel have? And by the way; Genesis 1:31 "And God saw everything He made and, behold, it was very good." Your position has a lot of conjecture! Where Scripture bares no certain testimony concerning a matter, human inquirers should be aware of deciding one way or another. if it were needful to salvation to know more, Scriptures would have said so.
One cannot reject this because the Bible seems to offer as the best read that this is what happened. Thinking though about impact regarding the Fall and physiological impacts, it would seem more likely that these angels would have had no reason to be designed by God to procreate because He doesn't design extraneously. So then what, as part of the decision certain angels made to rebel, perhaps inspired by lust, they were provided with that ability? (To be blunt, to have sperm able to inseminate?) This challenges me. I would say though there is much in the created order which seem they only exist to be fallen (mosquitos as an example) but doesn't it seem likely that in the consummated New earth, that all His original designs will become evident for all His creatures and we'll see that "redeemed " purpose revealed and be astounded, so... let the Word speak and be humble eh?
If people did that, they would never arrive at the fallen Angel theory
What I would like to know is why God would create angels if they are all male with male genitalia and sperm what would be the point of that? Especially in heaven. Even human beings are not going to procreate in heaven.
Dogon or dagon "morning star" in fictional tales is the vampire god.
How this happens is similar to how wolves will procreate with coyotes then coyotes will procreate with domestic dogs. There are actual examples of everything in God’s kingdom today as it was back then. I really get tired of people trying to take the greatness and simplicity of God’s creation lowered down to their standard. Like my grandmother always said “nothing more stupid than an idiot. Except an-educated idiot”. In heaven we will have an “assignment”. Most of us will be kind of police officers of the pit”. But there will be other assignments. You either trust God the Father or you DON’T!!! I trust the Father!!!
What if the the Angels in heaven do not marry is because just as the church ( female “the woman”) is married to God. Maybe it’s similar the Angels ( congregation) are married to God🤔
Short answer… No
They did not address the why question nor God's decree. Why would God create sexual creatures, angels, of only one gender? That seems cruel.
Perhaps angels are asexual in heaven but have the ability to appear and function as males when encountering human beings?
@@andrewcarter1089 Mark 12:25 without marriage there is no need to procreate. This speculation by Webbon is silly. There are better things to discuss.
Dude… Female Angels literally exist.
@@justice8718 What inferences can we draw from this? When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.
@@MegaTigers01 Genesis 2, the only time when humans were pure and perfect. Seriously, you skipped the important “have you NOT read the scriptures”, implying it is already detailed on how will arrange simple things such as love unto the new heaven and the new earth. But the implications of being like the angels are massive, as in God expects us to have different relationships in that space.
All living created bieng in heaven may not be call angle like the same way on earth is call human
Of course they can. The Most High already said that they could!😮...hmmm...
OK Jesus is in a spiritual body, when are you due to poor his glory was so magnificent and break very wonderful this can only happen in spiritual body. The body may appear that you have a physical form but it is a spiritual body. Poses that we are instantly changed when we die or if we make it to the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns were instantly changed into a spiritual body. The 40 days that Jesus was on earth after his resurrectionWas kind of like a probationary period which 40 means, and to finish his final preparations of the disciples to go about spreading the gospel in good news
No more like a timber wolf & a German shepherd…
I have encountered two distinctly feminine angels who audibly warned me to protect me, in one instance from a demonic presence (she alerted me to fight), and another instance to warn me of a detrimental life decision. They were two very different voices but definitely female. So I cannot espouse to the ‘angels are only male’ theory. And who are We to limit God? Just because the few angels in scripture happen to be male does not negate the existence of feminine angels. Am I to believe that Only male angels watch over me when I’m showering or undressed? As a female, I find the narrow opinion of ‘male only’ angels places an inappropriate limitation on God. But I appreciate the discussion, thank you.
It’s weird to me since the implication of genesis 2 and 3, and the angel encounter with the prophet being corrected, imply that woman were cursed to be more like the angels, servants of man.
Think about it, God had suitable partners for Adam that were not Eve.
We will be like angels eventually
based Mark 12?
We will still be male and female humans, so not exactly. Angels are not human. Although we both will resemble each other.
@@imageer agree like angels not angels