Your analysis is a great way to show how, no matter how "good" everything is on paper (director, actors, source material), poor execution will derail any project. Good on you for revising your tone, brother!
I said it on the OG video and I’ll say it again… I rewatched this and the editing is bananas. Like I can’t ever remember the order things happen in around the midpoint of the movie and there’s NO sense of a timeline or cause and effect from one scene to the next. I still like the movie because of the style and acting (Scorsese films are best when viewed as kind of “mood poems” with a story tacked on-Goodfellas is basically just one big montage that barely ever stops) but man is The Departed a weirdly paced and edited movie.
I think the editing was more experimental than it was bad. I can see many of the techniques used later incorporated into Shudder Island which intentionally had disjointed and erratic editing
I think the passage of time issue is intentional, like when he breaks down and says he’s been uncover for a year the audience is supposed to be shocked. I think Scorsese is trying to emulate how little you actually notice the passage of time, especially when you are in as tense of a situation as Leo’s character. Many of his other movies depict the passage of time through memory, however this one attempts more to put you in the characters shoes through out the whole arc, and to contrast their arcs time flows more concurrently with the main beats of the story as a whole.
It’s the same when he has that meeting with the officers (Wahlberg and Sheen) and they explain he will have to di 6 months in prison to come off as legit. Not 5 minutes go by in the film and he’s sat with his cousin in his aunts house. So I don’t think the time jumps are out of sinc the pace the film. They are consistent throughout.
I’ve always loved the chaotic editing of this movie since it always had me questioning everything, when is this? who knows what? Who knows who? And kept me on my toes, yet after watching this I can’t help but agree that with all they changed or straight up left out it would have been a much better movie and is weakened by it, I never noticed how the Envelope never mattered, I will still love this movie but I understand that it’s far from perfect as I used to claim it was for so many years.
yeah but liking the film seems to require dumping hours into rewatching and making connections yourself, which could be interesting, but everything else in the film is lacking so severely in subtlety it seems like an oversight
10:11 this is actually something that’s solved if you pay attention to the film. He’s accepted into the crew because Billy’s Uncle was an associate of Costello for years. Not to mention he liked Billy’s confidence and attitude. And he wouldn’t think that Billy is a rat because he’s been kicked out of the staties and recently done a 6 month stretch for assault and battery. He has doubts but he’s careful and he wants to be absolutely sure. That’s why he wants Collin to find out for him.
@@MacabreStorytellingwhich in his mind was satiated when he didnt crack under the torture. Not to mention billy had already committed assault when he beat up the mobsters in the convenince store scene since under cover cops can’t commit crime while under cover
@@MacabreStorytelling .....he theorizes that because he is a criminal mastermind and leader of a major organized crime group. He's in charge for being smart and not making bad decisions that get him locked up. So any potential new criminal associate will be examined closely and knowing he had been a cop would have made him wonder if he was still a cop that was there to set him up. The fact he did 4 months in jail would have been enough for other criminals in jail to get to know him and Frank could ask them if he was really locked up. Also, you are forgetting that Billy's Uncle Jackie was in organized crime and was connected to and highly respected by Frank and Arnold. The time lapses between the book and movie are expected and they happen in every movie that it adapted from a novel. If they had included everything you want this would have been a 5 plus hour long movie. I disagree with you on this take. The editing took a massive story and fit it into a reasonable time frame that people would sit in theaters for while still covering all the main points while constantly moving the story forward without it dragging it out aimlessly.
@@GigaChadh976, if I’m being honest, I thought the torture was pretty lame. I mean, I’m not sure what everyone’s pain tolerance is but a broken arm feels like an easy way to pass an interrogation test with a mob boss. I would’ve bought it more if they did something like Waterboarded Billy, acid, or even attempting to castrate him, yet he doesn’t break. Also, I hear a lot of people comparing how he broke his arm being similar to the Infernal Affairs scene when Chan tries to stop one of Hon Sam’s dealing’s while hiding a Morse code device in his cast. Except as pointed out by Macabre, the reason why this works is because Sam is just as suspicious to who is the mole in his organization, and must use fear in order to see who cracks. Which is why him smashing Chan’s cast works better than in The Departed.
@@osmanyousif7849his arm has been broken before hand and then its being smashed with a steel toe boot. Which i take it has never happened to you. “He hides a morse code device in his cast.” Ok, let me spell it out to you: if you have a broken arm, your not gonna be able to use that arm to use morse code. Thats retarded. It makes more sense in the movie where billy keeps his phone and texts queenan and dignham. And costello DOES use fear to see who cracks. In this scene and in the scene with the severed hand. Not to mention costello is shown killing several of his old associates.
You highlighted Costello's potential soft side, citing the scene where he tries to tell Billy to go back to school, and I have to say that I initially agreed when viewing the film the first few times, but over the years I've realized that the scene where Matt Damon finds out that his partner is also a rat was purposely to signify that Costello didn't care about anyone but saving his own ass. Costello raised Matt Damon with the same assurance, support, and direction that a general father is supposed to, but the reason he wanted Billy to be educated is the exact same reason that he wanted Matt Damon to be educated...... You're of more use to him smart rather than dumb, it all ties back to every move Frank makes is to serve his current or future interests. Frank: come on Colin, I mean you were like uh... Colin: A son?! And when Matt Damon finds out that his partner is the exact same carbon copy of him, probably given the same opportunities and talk to the exact same way that Frank spoke to Matt, his entire world crashed around him. I say all that to just say that I think Frank was never sentimental, he was always looking out for himself.
Lau and Collin have very different motives. Collin is petrified of his lower class background and staying there. He will do Anything to climb the social ladder. You see this pop up in the movie several timeswhen he is purchasing the apartment, when Madeline wants to put up her state school degree he tells her to not put it up because it doesn’t look prestigious, he kisses the butt of the ppl in the department to climb up the ranks. There’s a lot of dialogue that alludes to this, but it talks about it in a very Irish Bostonian sort of way that not everyone can pick up on
In the Infernal Affairs, since no one but Lau knew about the mole thing and Chan knows that he would sabotage the police file of Chan, Chan had to blackmail him so Lau could recover his idendity first. Also because he wasn't sure if there was any other mole in the police, had he handed the tape to them too soon, it could ruin him too. So I guess the rooftop scene in the original version wasn't pointless
But also, because if Chan said something now, Lau probably has the whole PD in the palm of his hands, and be telling everyone to not listen to him, maybe say that he’s suffering from something. But in The Departed because of the inclusion of characters, like Dignam and Trooper Brown, it throws away any sort of tension that should be in the final act. As they would obviously listen to Billy.
The movie doesn't work because the characters don't act like real people. For instance: Colin never really seems to like Costello. Yes, Costello helped him as a kid, helped him get into the State Police etc. Afterwards, Colin seems to act in obligation to Costello, but, he doesn't admire Costello, he's not interested in being in the Irish mob, he's not keen to make money from Costello, he doesn't seem to need money, or anything from Costello. Yes, he gets some tips from Costello which help him rise the ranks. But once he's already admired, as is shown in the film, why not just cut Costello off ? Use him to make some cases, and then, lock him up and destroy any evidence that they ever had connections. Deny it, if Costello makes the claim in court. It's not like Colin was totally inept as a detective. He was quick witted and could investigate and solve cases without Costello's help. Colin appears to admire Alec Baldwin's character more than Costello. Then, if Costello gets locked up, Colin gets the praise, the accolades, and the admiration for locking up Costello. He'll get promoted. Look at the real life Mafia cops, who worked for Gaspipe Casso, and actually murdered for him. Why did they do it ? Because they admired Casso. One of them even wrote a book called "Mafia Cop". He was a cop who idolised the Mafia and wanted to be in it. They Mafia Cops never wanted to be good cops, they were bad guys, but since they couldn't join the Mafia, they decided to help the Mafia as police instead. They also needed the money as their pay from the NYPD was not enough. The same goes for that cop who was on the payroll of the Bloods and Suge Knight. His name was Rafael Pérez I think. And all the cops who were corrupt in the Rampart scandal. They idolised the Bloods. Colin never seems to idolise - in his adult life - the Irish mob. Never seems to admire Costello. He gets some tips from him to take down the Italians. Once that's done, a real life Colin would turn on Costello. Or, he'd go all in, and do bodyguard work for Costello, talking about how much he admires the Irish mob and so on. But he never does that. His motivation isn't loyalty to the Irish mob. His motivation is career success. It just shows the characters aren't written as real people. It doesn't seem like they were well-thought out. They're basically ciphers for dialogue. Also: the real life FBI agent who helped Whitey Bulger, again, admired Bulger and believed Bulger was the lesser of two evils compared to the Boston Italian Mafia. That's not what Costello believes, or, it's never shown, or depicted in any way.
The money u say he doesn’t need comes from Costello tho.Remember tje scene with the realtor?when he finds out Collin is a state trooper he’s suddenly concerned he can’t afford such a nice place until Collin mentions someone else will b helping with payments.A co signer or something I can’t correctly remember.Then Collin abruptly tells him to leave
They definitely should have thrown in a line about Costello being Billy's Godfather. That really would have made a substantial difference for the better.
Maybe even try to give Costello some morality instead of just being your average psycho mob boss. Sure Jack Nicholson is great at playing psychos, but come on. A character like Costello, could’ve had some interesting morality which can lead to questioning whether or not he truly cares for Billy and Colin, as a son.
@@osmanyousif7849 he doesn’t. His character is based off whitey Bulger who was a stone cold sociopath. The film made it clear from the beginning that Costello was only using the two as pawns
Your first video on The Departed is how I originally discovered your channel. I liked the movie before watching the video, but after not so much. I didnt like the videos tone especially, but your points were so convincing, I had no other choice but to aggree with you eventho I was a bit mad. Now I can finally aggree with you without being mad. Thanks, this Redux was a blessing!
For the record when I watched your original takedown of The Departed, I was seething at your tone at the beginning but gradually became more and more convinced by the end, especially because I've always liked Infernal Affairs. I have no doubt that if you'd just measured your tone a bit more, people in the original video would have had to confront your arguments directly instead of making fun of your attitude which is much easier, glad you took the channel in that direction
well done, it's really hard to check oneself when being critical and want your opinion to be impactful, but to go back and explain yourself and make your arguments more cohesive and concise is definitely moving in the right direction
The Departed is one of those man movies like Fight Club or American Psycho, you keep running into dudes who really love it. Not every guy is in love with it, but it seems to have deep appeal for some significant portion of men.
@@eddiedingle767 That's a fair point. I wasn't trying to say that men like it in the same way or the men who love those movies are the same as men who love the Departed, just that it seems like there's a good portion of (mostly) men who they really strike a chord with.
I like the Departed and you present clear & well articulated arguments about it's flaws. I agree with your points however I still like the movie. This film is a good demonstration of how quick pacing and Dynamite performances can paper over a lot of flaws.
Thanks a lot for this video, it finally explained why I didn't feel blown away by the Departed after seeing it. I'm a big fan of Infernal Affairs (the sequels weren't as good, but at least they were kind of interesting), so I was so excited to finally watch the Departed. It had the perfect cast and crew, won all the big Oscars, and I heard many say that it was a remake that surpassed the original. After watching it, I felt underwhelmed because it didn't really add anything new to the original. All my favorite parts of the Departed are almost directly translated from Infernal Affairs, whereas I had been expecting the movie to take the central concept and do its own spin of it rather than copy the plot beat for beat (it won Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars after all). But this video reveals that the film didn't even translate those elements in a way that made them better, but rather made them feel less meaningful.
This is actually one of my favorite movies, BUT… I’ve NEVER understood how it couldn’t be hilariously obvious that the snitch is the “new guy” who wasn’t ever in the game/has zero rep.
This is such a great video! I remember watching its original incarnation, before I had even watched The Departed and had forgot about it entirely until I finally watched the film and wanted to revisit your review. You articulate your points so well, I think it explains a lot of the reasons why this film didn't feel like Scorsese's others and why I was somewhat underwhelmed by it. Thank you! Off topic, Vera Farmiga in this movie looks exactly like my sociology professor from college, so I spent all of her screen time wondering if she'd mention Émile Durkheim or Karl Marx!
I don’t disagree with your takes but Matt Damon’s character being loyal to costallo makes sense because it’s probably like a Tony/Christopher deal, where he was taken under his wing and raised but he’s still abusive
True. The Departed feels like collection of scenes sewed together in editing room with pool of characters and known star actos instead of cohesive story that follows through.
It is those subtle things that are the difference between a masterpiece and just a fun film. You are always spot on pinpointing these shortcomings. Sometimes, I just think to myself that a film could have been better or have this unspecific dissatisfaction at the end. Your insight is amazing.
My favorite part of the entire movie was the elevator scene where everybody except Matt Damon gets killed in succession. (I must admit that seeing Leonardo Dicaprio get killed as the elevator opened, took me by surprise lol)
Thank you for taking the time to share your introspective analysis with us. My journey to peace is inward, not forward; and I don't meet many people who are interested in productive and effective self-analysis - so I'm grateful to have listened to your thoughts. It's beautiful.
If you get the chance, check out the Infernal Affairs Trilogy. The Departed felt like it was a rush job. Let alone, Infernal Affairs 2 and 3 delves into the characters at a young age and the aftermath of the first film. It will definitely make The Departed look like an after-school special.
I can overlook everything else, if the meeting on the roof wasn’t so stupid, as you said. Finding out that it is also in the original is disappointing. it does a terrible disservice to Billy’s character. This man was not foolish and had proved his intelligence.
Love that you were willing to revisit and rework an old video! Great video and makes me really want to watch Infernal Affairs (I didn't know this was a remake)
You convinced me, at least partially... it's a sloppy film. It feels like it was meant to be 6 hours and it was condensed into 2.5. The one thing about the film that I enjoy are some of the scenes and some of the dialogging throughout. This is the first time when Leonardo's acting really stood out to me... I guess it was always there, but this is when he landed on my map. But Matt Damon's character (Colin), to no fault of his own... never gets fleshed out. Sure, he's an undercover for Costello, but what's his philosophy... what drives him? Sure, Costello nabbed him young and I guess he just had this loyalty to serve Costello. But ideally in a character there should be a reason/motive, long term plan as to why and why... he could be passionate about the side he's secretly working for,,, he doesn't have to be portrayed as an over the top prick for no good reason. I have no love for cops, but when I watch the film I root for Billy because of his character (he seems like a decent human being, who's being thrown into the grinder) and he never comes across as a cop with a cop philosophy, because that's a criminal gang as well.The show is trying to portray in my opinion that there was nothing in particular about either character... their random life circumstances, landed them on one side of the coin or the other and from what I gather the show is portraying the cops as being just as dirty, so neither is the wiser or the righteous. but he's never really a part of that criminal gang. Colin should have been a sympathetic character as well, who just so happens to be secretly working for a different criminal gang. In the end Marky Mark shoots him... is he a CIA agent or something? which as we know is one of the worst criminal gangs. What is the show saying. Everyone's potentially a rat reporting to various agencies? So ultimately it's a sloppy mis mash of a show and within that mishmash I enjoy various scenes and dialogging. And while I like some of the dialogging between Billy and Madolyn there fling is another component that is rushed. They hang out a couple times and hook up one of those times and all of a sudden they have this complex undertone of strong potential feelings. And BTW since it should be said by everyone... that Comfortably numb version is the biggest hack job of all time... not because I'm against the notion of someone doing a cover of comfortably numb, but if someone told you to sing comfortably numb with the goal of making it sound as crappy as possible, you couldn't do worse... it literally sounds like the the hack is going out of his way to make it sound like crap (anywhere in the song where a harmony would ordinarily go, this hack version goes out of it's way to take it out... it's the worst cover in the history of covers, so perhaps it's reflective of the film being a hack job of the other version).
Hey man love your stuff. Can you please do some more sopranos breakdowns!! I love how you break it down and get deep into it!! Something on Christopher would be sick!!
When you bring up the fact that Costigan didn't need the envelope because he was going to get the tapes I feel like you leave out one thing: he needed the tapes for iron-clad proof that Collins was the mole. You bring up how you "suppose" that the envelope given to Madolyn by Billy is evidence, except: it totally is. She ends up playing it outloud for Collins to hear to show she knows who he really is. That's not only the payoff of having Billy get the tapes but its also the payoff of him personally giving Madolyn a tape, something you all but gloss over to make your argument work.
No I don’t. The tapes aren’t unnecessary, him finding the envelope is. As I say in the vid, he could have just left and would have gotten the tapes and discovered the truth without finding the envelope. Also by Costello you mean Billy. Also I think you are getting confused. I was talking about the envelope he finds in Colin’s office not the one he gives to Madolyn. Also you are wrong. The envelope Billy gives to her is a separate envelope. What she plays is the tape Billy sends to Colin in the mail. You gotta pay attention to the movie bro…
This was cool, this to me is kind of like a hangout movie so I can overlook a lot of its blemishes since it’s a really fun movie, aside from its overuse of Patsy Cline. I agree about Vera Farmiga’s character, the love triangle was literally about Damon’s character getting cucked. I laughed out loud during the funeral scene when it just pans to a photo of Leo’s face, as if he’s saying, “yea you got cucked bro.”
Hmmm… I dunno, I think the implication that Colin might be gay is plausible. There is that scene with the realtor where he gets defensive at the “you tend to have a house guest. That’s cool.” comment. Seems unnecessary if they weren’t at least trying to put out a vibe.
Scorsese isn’t the kind of filmmaker to have throwaway dialogue. Colin’s first dialogue in the movie is him insulting firefighters being gay out of the blue. Colin insults the firefighters just to cover his own insecurity of being attracted to men. I think the point Scorsese is trying to make is Colin is already use hiding a double life despite being Costello’s rat.
There is a Belgium tv show called 'Undercover' where an undercover cop infiltrades crime sindicates and becomes best friends with the bosses so he can uptain conclusive evidence so a SWAT can arrest them. In the 3rd and final season, the villians of set season have a mole planted in the police presinct and so the protagonist has to team up with the villian from season 1, because using police resources would tip the drug dealers off. However, there is a twist. It turns out that the mole isn't a person, but a computer virus and the moment the the cops figure this out, our protagonist is able to rejoin the police. Now plz don't scream spoilers. It's a Belgium tv show and I highly doubt that this comment section is filled with people who are Belgium/Dutch.
This is porbably the low point in the careers of everyone who worked on this film. Jack Nicholson, Scorsese and De Carprio probably all wanna forget about tbis
Maybe I didn't listen closely enough to the video, but I got the distinct impression that you've never actually understood the movie. We have to bear in mind that in your original review you thought the story took place in New Jersey? How extensive can your thoughts and notes really be? It is okay to criticize a remake for doing what the original did in a way that proves the remake doesn't understand it, _unless the remake has its own rationale,_ then you're just whining that the remake isn't exactly the same as the original. That you don't like that it's different is your prerogative, but it is *not* proof that the movie "sucks." Let me go over a "short" list of problems I recognized: The busing sequence is not to establish "how the Irish were treated" - this is actually a laughably ignorant interpretation of history if not what's being portrayed on screen. It's to establish the Boston setting as a place not too long ago where the people are so stubborn and abrasive that desegregation initiatives might actually lead to riots, even as we approach the 1980's. That the people of Boston, in enclaves, each stick to their own. A big theme in the movie is crossing "boundaries" This is one of the reasons Costello is less cautious of Billy than he ought to be, he didn't just know Billy's father, he respected him, and his mother, just like his top guy respected his grandmother. Billy is already established as a guy who can drift between two different worlds, and uses a hotheaded streak to pass as a tough guy. Especially with violence that is excessive for a police agent. He's already one of their people, because they've known him, through his family, their entire lives. This is what Queenan is exploiting, it's *not* very likely the police will pull a trainee and use an untrained and unseasoned rookie for a life or death operation. It's the fact that Billy already fakes being that guy every time he ends up in that part of town - ever since he was a kid - that convinces Queenan he has the _life experience_ necessary to pull off such a delicate balancing act. Yes, it is obvious, that the wannabe cop, is a cop, but it's almost _too obvious,_ the fact that the audience already knows Costigan is the mole might make it hard for them to see how much of a stretch this still is from Costello's perspective. It would be much easier for the Staties or the local PD, to turn one of his existing guys, and the movie goes out of its way to demonstrate that everyone is a mole. Costello himself is a mole. He's always got new guys coming in, and his problems didn't start with Costigan. He's suspicious, so he keeps him close and he's always testing him, but Costigan, being smart, never gives himself away, even when his superiors push him to take those risks. Another thing you're really bad at here is subtext. The "distasteful gay subplot" is actually an implication that Collin was inappropriately touched as an alter boy, Costello fosters loyalty by presumably resolving the issue when taking him under his wing. Collin exhibits hyper-masculinized homophobic behavior and sexual impotency because he has unresolved intimacy issues brought about by the psychological trauma. He may even have sought a relationship with a therapist, as a way to subconsciously admit his need for therapy. There's an additional implication and less popular fan theory that Costello is secretly Costigan's _father_ not his godfather. Which probably would have been changed specifically to make this subtext less obvious. Though I suppose given what evidence exists for this, such as it is, he could even be his grandfather. Either way it makes no difference how the relationsip is labeled. Either because of shared history or shared blood, he obviously treats him like family But the worst analysis has to be of the ending. Costigan cannot just turn over evidence to the police and have Collin arrested because he doesn't know who is trustworthy within the police ranks. You have to actually think about this. Collin accused Queenan of being the mole. Queenan was killed "meeting with Costello's guys." _Dignam is Queenan's guy,_ he's also a disgruntled, former employee who punched the guy who fired him on the way out the door - the _same_ guy they're going to say is the *real* mole, with a box of evidence he can claim was just him acting in his official capacity as a law enforcement agent? So not only does Billy not like Dignam, isn't completely sure that he can trust him to have his back, they don't, collectively, have any evidence that he was anything other than a criminal, because he was so deep cover. The last time Costigan turned himself over, the guy who processed him was a mole. As Collin says Costigan's plan is not very bright, and as Billy says he doesn't care. He just wanted a confrontation with the guy, to put the handcuffs on for himself and walk him through the front door, even if it was futile. And yes, while context alone would explain how Costello's other mole "figured out" Collin was Costello's big man on the inside, you do _actually_ have good reason to be asymmetrically selective with your information. Having an officer inside who knows Collin is the mole, without Collin knowing, is partial insurance. He can monitor Collin and report back his progress, without having to rely exclusively on Collin's word. Especially if Collin tries in his capacity as a police administrator to cut ties with Costello and his organization, which he eventually does do anyway. So like... no. I'm not convinced.
I remember seeing the film in theaters and when walking out, turned to my friends and said, "there is no way Costello wouldn't have known Billy was the mole. He would have killed him almost immediately. He's the new guy, he was statie, and oh there's a mole, I wonder who it could be?!?!" absurd film
I know this movie takes so many of the beats from infernal affairs but Scorsese made his own film, which was written up to be due to the fact the film is in Boston, of all the little things, which made him want to shoot in a different direction and make it so the movie is not entirely a remake and is just heavily inspired by the concept and plot. I mean the execution is clearly different because the goals of the concept are different. That’s to say it used a similar formula to achieve a different result. It’s a entertaining movie, and it’s nonsensical realism plays into my enjoyment. Like did you see that ending? It felt so weird but it made the movie just wrap up in such an enjoyable way. Idk I’m no principled critic who has something I’m drawing off of in order to say the movie is good, but by my arbitrary standards I think the movie is entertaining. Might just be an admittance of a lower quality standard but hey I was convinced alright I’m talking to myself I’m done here alright bye
I like that this review compares the movie to the original. When I heard Scorsese was making a new movie based on Infernal Affairs, I went and watched Infernal Affairs and was surprised at how much I liked it and then I was truly shocked at how disappointed I was with The Departed, especially when Goodfellas and Casino are still one of my favorite movies.
Thats why the scenes of him playing Rugby and that scene of him doing a bust earlier in the film are there, to show that he didn't come straight out of the Academy to a detective role, he actually had to earn it. On a first watch, it may confuse you but it's noticeable on multiple rewatches. This is a film that needs to be seen more than once
@@MacabreStorytelling Its not a cop out but I guess you're the editing expert dude. I've only seen the film enough times to understand whats going on.....what do I know? 🤷
You can technically say that Infernal Affairs made it ambiguous as to whether Chan told the police about Lau being the mole beforehand. Granted, the film did a poor job articulating what happened, but we don't really know what happened after Lau got out of the elevator. If we're being charitable, we can imagine that Lau was still arrested because the police got Chan's report, but because the other mole erased the tapes already, and Lau sold them the story of the other mole being the only mole, Lau was cleared of all charges.
It's hard to imagine Colin getting the same fate as Lau considering Scorsese's tendencies about punishing his characters. Scorsese often puts characters through a temptation, the characters live it up, and then is punished harshly for those indulgences. The closest a Scorsese character comes to getting a Lau style ending where the punishment is mostly internal is Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street.
You made really great points and I can't argue with most of them but The Departed is just such a fun movie so I can overlook them. Maybe The Departed is garbage but incredibly entertaining garbage imo.
True, it may be entertaining garbage, but garbage that wins Oscars? Yeah, no way. They probably gave Martin Scorsese an Oscar for this film, as a way to apologize for screwing him over for Goodfellas or Raging Bull. 2006 should’ve gone to something like Pan’s Labyrinth or Children of Men.
Am I the only one who keeps getting confused on what's going on in this film because they have these very similar looking white guys, Leonardo DiCarprio and Matt Damon (Also Mark Walhberg), sharing the screen together?
Mac daddy, you’re not wrong on any of these points. Alas, this movie is somehow still steadfastly in my all time top 3 - it’s NO masterpiece but that said, I don’t entertain any arguments about its Oscar merits either, considering that the Academy Awards has long since evolved into a sanctimonious virtue-signalling exercise in self-congratulation rather than recognition of quality cinema (whatever THOSE parameters might be, because the ones most ‘professional’ film critics set are hilariously irrelevant and inane)
If Frank recorded all the phone calls why didn’t Billy know about the second mole in the force? In the elevator Colin’s partner states that frank was going to sell them out to the FBI so there should’ve been recordings of both of them
Ya know, it's interesting that you said in an earlier draft Costello was Billy's godfather, because that makes so much sense to me. That's actually the exact feeling I got from their relationship.
Oh wow I was actually looking for this video the other day and thought I gaslit myself into believing it existed and got deleted for whatever reason💀 Glad to see it’s back and improved now. Thank you!
Your channel will grow so much from your choice to have a more relaxed approach to your thoughts and opinions. I look forward to every upload regardless. Your always having a conversation with us. You have a smooth way of including us as the audience..my only complaint...not enough videos!! Haha keep up the good work !!
"Insufferable twat" is really too harsh. I actually saw the Korean original first, recognized all the points you were making in your vid, never felt you were off-base given the qualitative disparity. Anyway, nice 2nd take-down haha
You made great points, however The Departed is a 10/10 for me. Some flaws, sure but nothing major and it’s easily my favorite film. Either way, this is a well thought out and articulate video and you’ve earned a new subscriber.
Totally. I read the film as Costello refusing to face the obvious. This is incongruous with the character's motivations. This alone ruined the movie for me. Boston, though. What a town!
This is literally everything I felt after I watched the movie. I just felt like it was my least favorite of Scorsese’s filmography (I’ve seen about half of his films so far). I just felt it was so badly executed
My man, thanks for this. On the first video i just really liked hearing you speak your opinion. But on this one, i really do feel what you were trying to get at: the story, as bad/ok/good as it is, doesn't come close to the original.
This makes me so glad I didn't see Infernal Affairs before I watched The Departed. I actually haven't seen IA yet, I really need to get on that. I remember when The Departed came out, my uncle and I were very much anticipating it's DVD release, and the night we watched it we smoked half of a doobie beforehand and it was GREAT! I smoked like a chimney back then, but my unc not so much, so he was high as fuck lol. It was such a great night, though, and could have been marginally worse if I had seen IA beforehand. Glad you made this, you really did a fantastic job. I'm bout to watch IA presently.
29:00 This is an excellent argument. Its a fun watch due to the All Star cast but on subsequent rewatch the pacing issues, storytelling issues, characterization issues make it hard to enjoy the film.
Just watched this movie for the 1st time in 10+ years. If this were a 6-8 episode series to streaming I think the passage of time would be much more apparent. The fact Leo is wearing practically the same outfit the entire movie doesn't help much either.
21:41 I feel like if something is being adapted you need to fix problems with the original. Unless the OG is a masterpiece but the movie that was being adapted wasn’t a masterpiece and had flaws.
Infernal Affairs is actually a trilogy. The first film is the movie that The Departed is mostly based off of. The second is a prequel where the focus is on how Hon Sam (the Costello character in the Infernal Affairs films) and Superintendent Wong came to be who they are in the first film while the two rats are minor characters for the most part. The third film takes place after the events of the first film with Lau hoping that he doesn't get caught while we get flashbacks of Chan having sessions with his therapist and the potential love story that would have come out of it. Infernal Affairs is more nuanced, I'd say, but The Departed is just as good of a film and actually adds some spice to a middle of the road cop story that got more ridiculous with each new film in the trilogy.
22:11 - 22:22 Okay, so maybe credit can be given for Billy letting Madolyn know what to do if he dies. BUT, didn't you mentioned in your review that this is still a huge problem, because of the fact that it's instructions to call Dignam? Because what point did Billy have, if later on the rooftop, he's asks Trooper Brown if he brought Dignam? If Dignam did come onto the rooftop and ended getting killed with the other guys, then Madolyn would be left with no one to call and let them know that Colin's the mole. And why didn't Dignam come to the roof, to begin with? Also, I have a theory that maybe the movie was trying to mislead audiences by also splitting the character of Inspector B (Infernal Affairs) into both Trooper Brown and Barrigan, since Inspector B shows up to hold Chan at gunpoint, order him to release Lau, only to reach the elevator and kill him, revealing himself as the other mole. That way, when people question why Brown didn't bring Dignam they could suspect that Brown is behind something, similar to the original, only to "subvert expectations" when Barrigan's revealed. I still don't get why they did this though, because as you mention in the old reviews, that this would still bring several plot-holes, unlike how Infernal Affairs.
I seriously thought Leonardo DiCaprio and Matt Damon were the same character and they were doing some weird back/forth time thing with the editing. It made everything a jumble. Then they both showed up in the same scene and I was like ooooohhhhhhh. Then the thing went on to win an Oscar and have consoled myself with that it was the pity prize for Marty.
One of my favorite films and the timeline was never an issue for me. You can assume time went by, maybe even a few years, but that never seems to hurt the plot. It's minor point at best.
The scene where Colin and Madelyn are in bed together, and Colin says, “It has to be you who gets out. I’m fucking Irish. I’ll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life.” Does this scene imply that she knew about him being undercover?
Still one of my favorite movies to watch, but you bring up pretty solid criticism that I can’t really argue against, well said once again. The one thing I have true gripes with is the ending, while it was super great in my first time viewing the film,in subsequent rewatches it’s really illogical and is just subverting expectations for the sake of it.
i like how this comment section is basically "i agree with you but i still liked the movie" this is Scorsese's guilt pleasure for me rather then his magnum opus like goodfellas or wolf of wall street
I think theres a good film in the Departed. Its about 50 minutes shorter and is called Infernal Affairs. I really want to like the remake but it i like the actors but it just feels really all over the place and messy. I normally like messy movies but this just wasn't interesting enough to me.
I LOVE The Departed - and every single one of these is points is true. These things always felt off to me and I never recognized them. *edit wtf, the alternative explanation for Costelo and Billy's knowing eachother would have made so much more sense.
There’s movies you can hit and movies you can’t. Now, thats not quite a movie you can’t hit, but its almost a movie you can hit. So I’m gonna make a fuckin ruling on this right now: you don’t fucking hit it! In all seriousness though, you brought up some very valid points. Great video
I'm very curious to see how this goes. I'm usually in the ballpark of Mac's takes, but I quite like the Departed, in fact I'd put it ahead of Casino, The Aviator and maybe even Raging Bull in Scorsese's filmography (though behind Taxi Driver, WoWS and Goodfellas). I guess that's because it works on a scene to scene level so well, creating tension and maintaining his trademark pace (s/o to Thelma Schoonmaker), as well as on a deeper thematic level. I'm one of those people that always read Matt Damon's character as deeply closeted, with on screen evidence to support that, and the parallels about living a double life, and the tension between your expected and authentic self make the movie have a lot more to say than most crime flicks. My 2 cents anyway. Eager to watch your analysis.
Damn Frank being Bills GF would absolutely reframe the entire movie and the entire character of Frank. Cuz I agree, how did Frank not know Billy was the mole lol super obvious
@@MacabreStorytelling But it's not if you actually pay attention to the film. There is never a shot of them together in the Academy, which is a dead giveaway. Another giveaway is in the scene where Sullivan is interviewing for the detective job with Queenan and Dignam while Billy is fresh out of the Academy. I agree with the previous person in that declaring it "bad editing" just because you didn't know what was going on is not a valid criticism. Especially with a film that benefits from several rewatches to catch all of the details. You start to pick up on things. It's Scorsese relying on the audience to pay attention
@@crater044 well again no. There are scenes where it cuts from Colin’s training to Billy’s back to Colins’. Thus it is jumping back and forth between 4 years apart. I’m the script it shows Colin’s training in its entirety and then shows Billy’s. I think this seems more like just trying to defend it no matter what cost. And that is only a single instance of poor editing throughout the film.
Hey broskies have you watched Everything Everywhere All at Once yet? I liked it a WHOLE lot. There’s so much going on though, I wonder if that makes it difficult to discuss.
The story of this film is confusing, and not in a good way. The story is confusing because it's not told well, and it's a story that really shouldn't be confusing at all. I think Martin Scorsese is a great director, and Jack Nicholson, Leo Dicaprio, and Matt Damon are all great actors, but this film just isn't that good in my opinion.
Its funny how we can just go into autopilot when watching a movie. I never thought about the rooftop scene near the end, and how ridiculous Billy's decision to meet Collin there, rather than just turning over evidence directly to the police. Maybe he was worried Collin might escape before getting arrested due to his connections in the department. But this as well is easily avoidable if Billy gives the evidence directly to Dignam instead of Captain Ellerby. The other silly decision I just noticed was Dignam's choice of killing Collin off the books. I guess you could make the argument that he took the killing of Captain Queenan and Billy on a personal level, and just wanted the pleasure of killing Collin himself. However, I still think Dignam would have done the legal thing, and just arrest him. He may have been an asshole, but he still displayed a boy scout mentality when it came to rule of law; only breaking it in the least amount possible if it guaranteed true justice. And he had plenty of evidence to guarantee Collin would go to prison. Plus, going to prison is more of a punishment for Collin anyway; instead of just exiting life with a bullet, he would be in a form of hell, stuck there for life.
Why would billy go to the police when he knows thats Costello has informants of his own? The only people in the police he could trust for certain is dignam.
@@GigaChadh976 I think you missed the last sentence of my first paragraph. I point out this exact issue, and come to the same conclusion. Not to mention, going to Dignam is still going to the police, he's only on temporary suspension, he's not retired. With all of Billy's evidence, Dignam would have all he needs to ensure this case gets handled correctly at the precinct. At least well enough to take down Collin.
I disagree that the movie isn’t good. It’s a great film. But I also agree with everything you say. Basically the plot is non sensical and doesn’t work BUT the execution is sorta great in a superficial sorta way. It’s almost like the movie is a car with a fucked up engine but an excellent paint job.
Like the execution is fucked when you think about it but to a casual viewer they wouldn’t recognize it. I think I have a blind spot to this movie because I saw it when I was in like 6th grade I think
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@@timothytzovolos153 Every Yul Brynner movie does that.
hi i was wondering if the got finale rewrite ever came out i can’t find it, thanks
@@victordelgado9253 not yet sorry kemosabe
@@MacabreStorytelling is it ever coming out?
I liked the film.
I liked the original review.
I liked the redux review.
I still like the film.
Your analysis is a great way to show how, no matter how "good" everything is on paper (director, actors, source material), poor execution will derail any project. Good on you for revising your tone, brother!
I thought the movie was good
@@scionixx9568the movie has a lot of flaws
@@scionixx9568 the movie is good.
@@yospidey0078 just because YOU think that, doesn’t mean others do. It’s all subjective
@@scionixx9568The movie is good
I said it on the OG video and I’ll say it again… I rewatched this and the editing is bananas. Like I can’t ever remember the order things happen in around the midpoint of the movie and there’s NO sense of a timeline or cause and effect from one scene to the next. I still like the movie because of the style and acting (Scorsese films are best when viewed as kind of “mood poems” with a story tacked on-Goodfellas is basically just one big montage that barely ever stops) but man is The Departed a weirdly paced and edited movie.
i feel like much of scorsese's 2000s work is jarring because of the poor editing. it definitely hurts my enjoyment while others don't seem to notice
I think the editing was more experimental than it was bad. I can see many of the techniques used later incorporated into Shudder Island which intentionally had disjointed and erratic editing
not really the editing was followable i didnt get confused at all.
@@lampad4549 same way
Who the fuck could get confused. Sometimes people make videos either not knowing shit about fuck or jsut straight up for clicks
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That’s it. This means war.
I think the passage of time issue is intentional, like when he breaks down and says he’s been uncover for a year the audience is supposed to be shocked. I think Scorsese is trying to emulate how little you actually notice the passage of time, especially when you are in as tense of a situation as Leo’s character. Many of his other movies depict the passage of time through memory, however this one attempts more to put you in the characters shoes through out the whole arc, and to contrast their arcs time flows more concurrently with the main beats of the story as a whole.
Nobody asked
Nobody has to. It's a comment section, where people can comment things without being asked.
It’s the same when he has that meeting with the officers (Wahlberg and Sheen) and they explain he will have to di 6 months in prison to come off as legit. Not 5 minutes go by in the film and he’s sat with his cousin in his aunts house. So I don’t think the time jumps are out of sinc the pace the film. They are consistent throughout.
@@chrisdawson1776 You're too slow to be allowed in public.
exactly, that first criticism is braindead. imagine thinking scorcese doesn't know what he's doing
I’ve always loved the chaotic editing of this movie since it always had me questioning everything, when is this? who knows what? Who knows who? And kept me on my toes, yet after watching this I can’t help but agree that with all they changed or straight up left out it would have been a much better movie and is weakened by it, I never noticed how the Envelope never mattered, I will still love this movie but I understand that it’s far from perfect as I used to claim it was for so many years.
yeah but liking the film seems to require dumping hours into rewatching and making connections yourself, which could be interesting, but everything else in the film is lacking so severely in subtlety it seems like an oversight
10:11 this is actually something that’s solved if you pay attention to the film. He’s accepted into the crew because Billy’s Uncle was an associate of Costello for years. Not to mention he liked Billy’s confidence and attitude. And he wouldn’t think that Billy is a rat because he’s been kicked out of the staties and recently done a 6 month stretch for assault and battery. He has doubts but he’s careful and he wants to be absolutely sure. That’s why he wants Collin to find out for him.
Except he literally theorizes that Queenan orchestrated kicking him out of the statues to send him undercover in the interrogation scene…
@@MacabreStorytellingwhich in his mind was satiated when he didnt crack under the torture. Not to mention billy had already committed assault when he beat up the mobsters in the convenince store scene since under cover cops can’t commit crime while under cover
@@MacabreStorytelling .....he theorizes that because he is a criminal mastermind and leader of a major organized crime group. He's in charge for being smart and not making bad decisions that get him locked up. So any potential new criminal associate will be examined closely and knowing he had been a cop would have made him wonder if he was still a cop that was there to set him up. The fact he did 4 months in jail would have been enough for other criminals in jail to get to know him and Frank could ask them if he was really locked up. Also, you are forgetting that Billy's Uncle Jackie was in organized crime and was connected to and highly respected by Frank and Arnold. The time lapses between the book and movie are expected and they happen in every movie that it adapted from a novel. If they had included everything you want this would have been a 5 plus hour long movie. I disagree with you on this take. The editing took a massive story and fit it into a reasonable time frame that people would sit in theaters for while still covering all the main points while constantly moving the story forward without it dragging it out aimlessly.
@@GigaChadh976, if I’m being honest, I thought the torture was pretty lame. I mean, I’m not sure what everyone’s pain tolerance is but a broken arm feels like an easy way to pass an interrogation test with a mob boss. I would’ve bought it more if they did something like Waterboarded Billy, acid, or even attempting to castrate him, yet he doesn’t break.
Also, I hear a lot of people comparing how he broke his arm being similar to the Infernal Affairs scene when Chan tries to stop one of Hon Sam’s dealing’s while hiding a Morse code device in his cast. Except as pointed out by Macabre, the reason why this works is because Sam is just as suspicious to who is the mole in his organization, and must use fear in order to see who cracks. Which is why him smashing Chan’s cast works better than in The Departed.
@@osmanyousif7849his arm has been broken before hand and then its being smashed with a steel toe boot. Which i take it has never happened to you.
“He hides a morse code device in his cast.” Ok, let me spell it out to you: if you have a broken arm, your not gonna be able to use that arm to use morse code. Thats retarded. It makes more sense in the movie where billy keeps his phone and texts queenan and dignham.
And costello DOES use fear to see who cracks. In this scene and in the scene with the severed hand. Not to mention costello is shown killing several of his old associates.
You highlighted Costello's potential soft side, citing the scene where he tries to tell Billy to go back to school, and I have to say that I initially agreed when viewing the film the first few times, but over the years I've realized that the scene where Matt Damon finds out that his partner is also a rat was purposely to signify that Costello didn't care about anyone but saving his own ass. Costello raised Matt Damon with the same assurance, support, and direction that a general father is supposed to, but the reason he wanted Billy to be educated is the exact same reason that he wanted Matt Damon to be educated...... You're of more use to him smart rather than dumb, it all ties back to every move Frank makes is to serve his current or future interests.
Frank: come on Colin, I mean you were like uh...
Colin: A son?!
And when Matt Damon finds out that his partner is the exact same carbon copy of him, probably given the same opportunities and talk to the exact same way that Frank spoke to Matt, his entire world crashed around him.
I say all that to just say that I think Frank was never sentimental, he was always looking out for himself.
Lau and Collin have very different motives. Collin is petrified of his lower class background and staying there. He will do Anything to climb the social ladder. You see this pop up in the movie several timeswhen he is purchasing the apartment, when Madeline wants to put up her state school degree he tells her to not put it up because it doesn’t look prestigious, he kisses the butt of the ppl in the department to climb up the ranks. There’s a lot of dialogue that alludes to this, but it talks about it in a very Irish Bostonian sort of way that not everyone can pick up on
In the Infernal Affairs, since no one but Lau knew about the mole thing and Chan knows that he would sabotage the police file of Chan, Chan had to blackmail him so Lau could recover his idendity first. Also because he wasn't sure if there was any other mole in the police, had he handed the tape to them too soon, it could ruin him too. So I guess the rooftop scene in the original version wasn't pointless
But also, because if Chan said something now, Lau probably has the whole PD in the palm of his hands, and be telling everyone to not listen to him, maybe say that he’s suffering from something. But in The Departed because of the inclusion of characters, like Dignam and Trooper Brown, it throws away any sort of tension that should be in the final act. As they would obviously listen to Billy.
The movie doesn't work because the characters don't act like real people.
For instance: Colin never really seems to like Costello. Yes, Costello helped him as a kid, helped him get into the State Police etc. Afterwards, Colin seems to act in obligation to Costello, but, he doesn't admire Costello, he's not interested in being in the Irish mob, he's not keen to make money from Costello, he doesn't seem to need money, or anything from Costello.
Yes, he gets some tips from Costello which help him rise the ranks.
But once he's already admired, as is shown in the film, why not just cut Costello off ?
Use him to make some cases, and then, lock him up and destroy any evidence that they ever had connections. Deny it, if Costello makes the claim in court.
It's not like Colin was totally inept as a detective. He was quick witted and could investigate and solve cases without Costello's help.
Colin appears to admire Alec Baldwin's character more than Costello.
Then, if Costello gets locked up, Colin gets the praise, the accolades, and the admiration for locking up Costello. He'll get promoted.
Look at the real life Mafia cops, who worked for Gaspipe Casso, and actually murdered for him. Why did they do it ?
Because they admired Casso. One of them even wrote a book called "Mafia Cop". He was a cop who idolised the Mafia and wanted to be in it. They Mafia Cops never wanted to be good cops, they were bad guys, but since they couldn't join the Mafia, they decided to help the Mafia as police instead. They also needed the money as their pay from the NYPD was not enough.
The same goes for that cop who was on the payroll of the Bloods and Suge Knight. His name was Rafael Pérez I think. And all the cops who were corrupt in the Rampart scandal. They idolised the Bloods.
Colin never seems to idolise - in his adult life - the Irish mob. Never seems to admire Costello. He gets some tips from him to take down the Italians.
Once that's done, a real life Colin would turn on Costello. Or, he'd go all in, and do bodyguard work for Costello, talking about how much he admires the Irish mob and so on.
But he never does that. His motivation isn't loyalty to the Irish mob. His motivation is career success.
It just shows the characters aren't written as real people. It doesn't seem like they were well-thought out. They're basically ciphers for dialogue.
Also: the real life FBI agent who helped Whitey Bulger, again, admired Bulger and believed Bulger was the lesser of two evils compared to the Boston Italian Mafia.
That's not what Costello believes, or, it's never shown, or depicted in any way.
You're actually speculating about people's motives in real life? lol
The money u say he doesn’t need comes from Costello tho.Remember tje scene with the realtor?when he finds out Collin is a state trooper he’s suddenly concerned he can’t afford such a nice place until Collin mentions someone else will b helping with payments.A co signer or something I can’t correctly remember.Then Collin abruptly tells him to leave
Cut Costello off? It’s the mafia, you don’t cut them off. He made you, invested money in you. He gets a cut forever
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They definitely should have thrown in a line about Costello being Billy's Godfather. That really would have made a substantial difference for the better.
Maybe even try to give Costello some morality instead of just being your average psycho mob boss. Sure Jack Nicholson is great at playing psychos, but come on. A character like Costello, could’ve had some interesting morality which can lead to questioning whether or not he truly cares for Billy and Colin, as a son.
Why exactly? What would that have changed?
@@osmanyousif7849 he doesn’t. His character is based off whitey Bulger who was a stone cold sociopath. The film made it clear from the beginning that Costello was only using the two as pawns
Your first video on The Departed is how I originally discovered your channel. I liked the movie before watching the video, but after not so much. I didnt like the videos tone especially, but your points were so convincing, I had no other choice but to aggree with you eventho I was a bit mad. Now I can finally aggree with you without being mad. Thanks, this Redux was a blessing!
One plot weakness is Queenan asking Billy to do it “for me” …. Billy has NO relationship w Queenan at this point and has no loyalty owed to Q.
For the record when I watched your original takedown of The Departed, I was seething at your tone at the beginning but gradually became more and more convinced by the end, especially because I've always liked Infernal Affairs. I have no doubt that if you'd just measured your tone a bit more, people in the original video would have had to confront your arguments directly instead of making fun of your attitude which is much easier, glad you took the channel in that direction
The acting by the Andy Lau as Lau Kin-ming during the funeral scene is superb. You can really feel his guilt over Chan's death.
well done, it's really hard to check oneself when being critical and want your opinion to be impactful, but to go back and explain yourself and make your arguments more cohesive and concise is definitely moving in the right direction
The Irish mostly arrived in the mid 19th century so I don't think they'll be any footage of that. @4:00
Costello being Billy’s godfather has a lot of precedence. Frank ‘The Enforcer’ Nitti was the cousin of his own employer Al Capone.
I love the conversation between Billy and his cousin. "Remember that night?"
Billy: "Yeah that was a night."
The Departed is one of those man movies like Fight Club or American Psycho, you keep running into dudes who really love it. Not every guy is in love with it, but it seems to have deep appeal for some significant portion of men.
I think you carry a very high level of estrogen
Nahhhh
Eh, not exactly.
I don't think there's anyone itching to be Jack Nicholson's character.
Hell, I can't imagine anyone wanting to be anyone in the movie
@@eddiedingle767 That's a fair point. I wasn't trying to say that men like it in the same way or the men who love those movies are the same as men who love the Departed, just that it seems like there's a good portion of (mostly) men who they really strike a chord with.
It is a very cool movie. I am sure women like things that they find cool too... Like shows endlessly gossiping about other women.
Didn't know that an earlier draft of the script had Costello as Billie's godfather. No idea why they decided to change that.
I like the Departed and you present clear & well articulated arguments about it's flaws. I agree with your points however I still like the movie. This film is a good demonstration of how quick pacing and Dynamite performances can paper over a lot of flaws.
Thanks a lot for this video, it finally explained why I didn't feel blown away by the Departed after seeing it. I'm a big fan of Infernal Affairs (the sequels weren't as good, but at least they were kind of interesting), so I was so excited to finally watch the Departed. It had the perfect cast and crew, won all the big Oscars, and I heard many say that it was a remake that surpassed the original. After watching it, I felt underwhelmed because it didn't really add anything new to the original. All my favorite parts of the Departed are almost directly translated from Infernal Affairs, whereas I had been expecting the movie to take the central concept and do its own spin of it rather than copy the plot beat for beat (it won Best Adapted Screenplay at the Oscars after all). But this video reveals that the film didn't even translate those elements in a way that made them better, but rather made them feel less meaningful.
This is actually one of my favorite movies, BUT…
I’ve NEVER understood how it couldn’t be hilariously obvious that the snitch is the “new guy” who wasn’t ever in the game/has zero rep.
This is such a great video! I remember watching its original incarnation, before I had even watched The Departed and had forgot about it entirely until I finally watched the film and wanted to revisit your review. You articulate your points so well, I think it explains a lot of the reasons why this film didn't feel like Scorsese's others and why I was somewhat underwhelmed by it. Thank you!
Off topic, Vera Farmiga in this movie looks exactly like my sociology professor from college, so I spent all of her screen time wondering if she'd mention Émile Durkheim or Karl Marx!
I don’t disagree with your takes but Matt Damon’s character being loyal to costallo makes sense because it’s probably like a Tony/Christopher deal, where he was taken under his wing and raised but he’s still abusive
Ah I dunno man, this kinda scans like an extended Cinema Sins thing.
True. The Departed feels like collection of scenes sewed together in editing room with pool of characters and known star actos instead of cohesive story that follows through.
It is those subtle things that are the difference between a masterpiece and just a fun film. You are always spot on pinpointing these shortcomings. Sometimes, I just think to myself that a film could have been better or have this unspecific dissatisfaction at the end. Your insight is amazing.
My favorite part of the entire movie was the elevator scene where everybody except Matt Damon gets killed in succession. (I must admit that seeing Leonardo Dicaprio get killed as the elevator opened, took me by surprise lol)
You are now well poisitioned to tackle The Aviator... You know what to do.
Thank you for taking the time to share your introspective analysis with us. My journey to peace is inward, not forward; and I don't meet many people who are interested in productive and effective self-analysis - so I'm grateful to have listened to your thoughts. It's beautiful.
If you get the chance, check out the Infernal Affairs Trilogy. The Departed felt like it was a rush job. Let alone, Infernal Affairs 2 and 3 delves into the characters at a young age and the aftermath of the first film. It will definitely make The Departed look like an after-school special.
I can overlook everything else, if the meeting on the roof wasn’t so stupid, as you said. Finding out that it is also in the original is disappointing. it does a terrible disservice to Billy’s character. This man was not foolish and had proved his intelligence.
It makes a tad more sense in the original again since their is no Dignam but yeah it’s still mad contrived.
Love that you were willing to revisit and rework an old video! Great video and makes me really want to watch Infernal Affairs (I didn't know this was a remake)
You convinced me, at least partially... it's a sloppy film. It feels like it was meant to be 6 hours and it was condensed into 2.5. The one thing about the film that I enjoy are some of the scenes and some of the dialogging throughout. This is the first time when Leonardo's acting really stood out to me... I guess it was always there, but this is when he landed on my map. But Matt Damon's character (Colin), to no fault of his own... never gets fleshed out. Sure, he's an undercover for Costello, but what's his philosophy... what drives him? Sure, Costello nabbed him young and I guess he just had this loyalty to serve Costello. But ideally in a character there should be a reason/motive, long term plan as to why and why... he could be passionate about the side he's secretly working for,,, he doesn't have to be portrayed as an over the top prick for no good reason. I have no love for cops, but when I watch the film I root for Billy because of his character (he seems like a decent human being, who's being thrown into the grinder) and he never comes across as a cop with a cop philosophy, because that's a criminal gang as well.The show is trying to portray in my opinion that there was nothing in particular about either character... their random life circumstances, landed them on one side of the coin or the other and from what I gather the show is portraying the cops as being just as dirty, so neither is the wiser or the righteous. but he's never really a part of that criminal gang. Colin should have been a sympathetic character as well, who just so happens to be secretly working for a different criminal gang. In the end Marky Mark shoots him... is he a CIA agent or something? which as we know is one of the worst criminal gangs. What is the show saying. Everyone's potentially a rat reporting to various agencies?
So ultimately it's a sloppy mis mash of a show and within that mishmash I enjoy various scenes and dialogging. And while I like some of the dialogging between Billy and Madolyn there fling is another component that is rushed. They hang out a couple times and hook up one of those times and all of a sudden they have this complex undertone of strong potential feelings. And BTW since it should be said by everyone... that Comfortably numb version is the biggest hack job of all time... not because I'm against the notion of someone doing a cover of comfortably numb, but if someone told you to sing comfortably numb with the goal of making it sound as crappy as possible, you couldn't do worse... it literally sounds like the the hack is going out of his way to make it sound like crap (anywhere in the song where a harmony would ordinarily go, this hack version goes out of it's way to take it out... it's the worst cover in the history of covers, so perhaps it's reflective of the film being a hack job of the other version).
Hey man love your stuff. Can you please do some more sopranos breakdowns!! I love how you break it down and get deep into it!! Something on Christopher would be sick!!
When you bring up the fact that Costigan didn't need the envelope because he was going to get the tapes I feel like you leave out one thing: he needed the tapes for iron-clad proof that Collins was the mole. You bring up how you "suppose" that the envelope given to Madolyn by Billy is evidence, except: it totally is. She ends up playing it outloud for Collins to hear to show she knows who he really is. That's not only the payoff of having Billy get the tapes but its also the payoff of him personally giving Madolyn a tape, something you all but gloss over to make your argument work.
No I don’t. The tapes aren’t unnecessary, him finding the envelope is. As I say in the vid, he could have just left and would have gotten the tapes and discovered the truth without finding the envelope. Also by Costello you mean Billy. Also I think you are getting confused. I was talking about the envelope he finds in Colin’s office not the one he gives to Madolyn. Also you are wrong. The envelope Billy gives to her is a separate envelope. What she plays is the tape Billy sends to Colin in the mail.
You gotta pay attention to the movie bro…
This was cool, this to me is kind of like a hangout movie so I can overlook a lot of its blemishes since it’s a really fun movie, aside from its overuse of Patsy Cline. I agree about Vera Farmiga’s character, the love triangle was literally about Damon’s character getting cucked. I laughed out loud during the funeral scene when it just pans to a photo of Leo’s face, as if he’s saying, “yea you got cucked bro.”
Hmmm… I dunno, I think the implication that Colin might be gay is plausible. There is that scene with the realtor where he gets defensive at the “you tend to have a house guest. That’s cool.”
comment. Seems unnecessary if they weren’t at least trying to put out a vibe.
Scorsese isn’t the kind of filmmaker to have throwaway dialogue. Colin’s first dialogue in the movie is him insulting firefighters being gay out of the blue. Colin insults the firefighters just to cover his own insecurity of being attracted to men.
I think the point Scorsese is trying to make is Colin is already use hiding a double life despite being Costello’s rat.
@@petermj1098calling someone a faggot is common and its used to insult people. The theory that collin is gay is weak
There is a Belgium tv show called 'Undercover' where an undercover cop infiltrades crime sindicates and becomes best friends with the bosses so he can uptain conclusive evidence so a SWAT can arrest them. In the 3rd and final season, the villians of set season have a mole planted in the police presinct and so the protagonist has to team up with the villian from season 1, because using police resources would tip the drug dealers off. However, there is a twist. It turns out that the mole isn't a person, but a computer virus and the moment the the cops figure this out, our protagonist is able to rejoin the police.
Now plz don't scream spoilers. It's a Belgium tv show and I highly doubt that this comment section is filled with people who are Belgium/Dutch.
This is porbably the low point in the careers of everyone who worked on this film. Jack Nicholson, Scorsese and De Carprio probably all wanna forget about tbis
I don’t think The Departed sucks, but it does pale in comparison to the film it was based on, especially how it wimped out on the ending.
Not even close, delusional af
Maybe I didn't listen closely enough to the video, but I got the distinct impression that you've never actually understood the movie. We have to bear in mind that in your original review you thought the story took place in New Jersey? How extensive can your thoughts and notes really be?
It is okay to criticize a remake for doing what the original did in a way that proves the remake doesn't understand it, _unless the remake has its own rationale,_ then you're just whining that the remake isn't exactly the same as the original. That you don't like that it's different is your prerogative, but it is *not* proof that the movie "sucks."
Let me go over a "short" list of problems I recognized:
The busing sequence is not to establish "how the Irish were treated" - this is actually a laughably ignorant interpretation of history if not what's being portrayed on screen. It's to establish the Boston setting as a place not too long ago where the people are so stubborn and abrasive that desegregation initiatives might actually lead to riots, even as we approach the 1980's. That the people of Boston, in enclaves, each stick to their own. A big theme in the movie is crossing "boundaries"
This is one of the reasons Costello is less cautious of Billy than he ought to be, he didn't just know Billy's father, he respected him, and his mother, just like his top guy respected his grandmother. Billy is already established as a guy who can drift between two different worlds, and uses a hotheaded streak to pass as a tough guy. Especially with violence that is excessive for a police agent. He's already one of their people, because they've known him, through his family, their entire lives. This is what Queenan is exploiting, it's *not* very likely the police will pull a trainee and use an untrained and unseasoned rookie for a life or death operation. It's the fact that Billy already fakes being that guy every time he ends up in that part of town - ever since he was a kid - that convinces Queenan he has the _life experience_ necessary to pull off such a delicate balancing act. Yes, it is obvious, that the wannabe cop, is a cop, but it's almost _too obvious,_ the fact that the audience already knows Costigan is the mole might make it hard for them to see how much of a stretch this still is from Costello's perspective. It would be much easier for the Staties or the local PD, to turn one of his existing guys, and the movie goes out of its way to demonstrate that everyone is a mole. Costello himself is a mole. He's always got new guys coming in, and his problems didn't start with Costigan. He's suspicious, so he keeps him close and he's always testing him, but Costigan, being smart, never gives himself away, even when his superiors push him to take those risks.
Another thing you're really bad at here is subtext. The "distasteful gay subplot" is actually an implication that Collin was inappropriately touched as an alter boy, Costello fosters loyalty by presumably resolving the issue when taking him under his wing. Collin exhibits hyper-masculinized homophobic behavior and sexual impotency because he has unresolved intimacy issues brought about by the psychological trauma. He may even have sought a relationship with a therapist, as a way to subconsciously admit his need for therapy. There's an additional implication and less popular fan theory that Costello is secretly Costigan's _father_ not his godfather. Which probably would have been changed specifically to make this subtext less obvious. Though I suppose given what evidence exists for this, such as it is, he could even be his grandfather. Either way it makes no difference how the relationsip is labeled. Either because of shared history or shared blood, he obviously treats him like family
But the worst analysis has to be of the ending. Costigan cannot just turn over evidence to the police and have Collin arrested because he doesn't know who is trustworthy within the police ranks. You have to actually think about this. Collin accused Queenan of being the mole. Queenan was killed "meeting with Costello's guys." _Dignam is Queenan's guy,_ he's also a disgruntled, former employee who punched the guy who fired him on the way out the door - the _same_ guy they're going to say is the *real* mole, with a box of evidence he can claim was just him acting in his official capacity as a law enforcement agent? So not only does Billy not like Dignam, isn't completely sure that he can trust him to have his back, they don't, collectively, have any evidence that he was anything other than a criminal, because he was so deep cover. The last time Costigan turned himself over, the guy who processed him was a mole. As Collin says Costigan's plan is not very bright, and as Billy says he doesn't care. He just wanted a confrontation with the guy, to put the handcuffs on for himself and walk him through the front door, even if it was futile. And yes, while context alone would explain how Costello's other mole "figured out" Collin was Costello's big man on the inside, you do _actually_ have good reason to be asymmetrically selective with your information. Having an officer inside who knows Collin is the mole, without Collin knowing, is partial insurance. He can monitor Collin and report back his progress, without having to rely exclusively on Collin's word. Especially if Collin tries in his capacity as a police administrator to cut ties with Costello and his organization, which he eventually does do anyway.
So like... no. I'm not convinced.
I remember seeing the film in theaters and when walking out, turned to my friends and said, "there is no way Costello wouldn't have known Billy was the mole. He would have killed him almost immediately. He's the new guy, he was statie, and oh there's a mole, I wonder who it could be?!?!" absurd film
I know this movie takes so many of the beats from infernal affairs but Scorsese made his own film, which was written up to be due to the fact the film is in Boston, of all the little things, which made him want to shoot in a different direction and make it so the movie is not entirely a remake and is just heavily inspired by the concept and plot. I mean the execution is clearly different because the goals of the concept are different. That’s to say it used a similar formula to achieve a different result. It’s a entertaining movie, and it’s nonsensical realism plays into my enjoyment. Like did you see that ending? It felt so weird but it made the movie just wrap up in such an enjoyable way. Idk I’m no principled critic who has something I’m drawing off of in order to say the movie is good, but by my arbitrary standards I think the movie is entertaining. Might just be an admittance of a lower quality standard but hey I was convinced alright I’m talking to myself I’m done here alright bye
I like that this review compares the movie to the original. When I heard Scorsese was making a new movie based on Infernal Affairs, I went and watched Infernal Affairs and was surprised at how much I liked it and then I was truly shocked at how disappointed I was with The Departed, especially when Goodfellas and Casino are still one of my favorite movies.
The training sequence was very frustrating. It was confusing how Damon got a detective job fresh out of school
Yeah it wasn’t a big deal when I was younger but as I got older I was like wait wtf
Thats why the scenes of him playing Rugby and that scene of him doing a bust earlier in the film are there, to show that he didn't come straight out of the Academy to a detective role, he actually had to earn it.
On a first watch, it may confuse you but it's noticeable on multiple rewatches. This is a film that needs to be seen more than once
@@crater044 that seems like a cop out. The editing makes it seem like they are in training at roughly the same time.
@@MacabreStorytelling Its not a cop out but I guess you're the editing expert dude. I've only seen the film enough times to understand whats going on.....what do I know? 🤷
@@MacabreStorytelling thats just unrealism like most movies and tv shows.
You can technically say that Infernal Affairs made it ambiguous as to whether Chan told the police about Lau being the mole beforehand. Granted, the film did a poor job articulating what happened, but we don't really know what happened after Lau got out of the elevator. If we're being charitable, we can imagine that Lau was still arrested because the police got Chan's report, but because the other mole erased the tapes already, and Lau sold them the story of the other mole being the only mole, Lau was cleared of all charges.
It's hard to imagine Colin getting the same fate as Lau considering Scorsese's tendencies about punishing his characters. Scorsese often puts characters through a temptation, the characters live it up, and then is punished harshly for those indulgences. The closest a Scorsese character comes to getting a Lau style ending where the punishment is mostly internal is Jordan Belfort from Wolf of Wall Street.
You made really great points and I can't argue with most of them but The Departed is just such a fun movie so I can overlook them. Maybe The Departed is garbage but incredibly entertaining garbage imo.
True, it may be entertaining garbage, but garbage that wins Oscars? Yeah, no way. They probably gave Martin Scorsese an Oscar for this film, as a way to apologize for screwing him over for Goodfellas or Raging Bull. 2006 should’ve gone to something like Pan’s Labyrinth or Children of Men.
@@osmanyousif7849 agree, I still enjoy the movie but Oscar worth not really
Am I the only one who keeps getting confused on what's going on in this film because they have these very similar looking white guys, Leonardo DiCarprio and Matt Damon (Also Mark Walhberg), sharing the screen together?
Mac daddy, you’re not wrong on any of these points. Alas, this movie is somehow still steadfastly in my all time top 3 - it’s NO masterpiece but that said, I don’t entertain any arguments about its Oscar merits either, considering that the Academy Awards has long since evolved into a sanctimonious virtue-signalling exercise in self-congratulation rather than recognition of quality cinema (whatever THOSE parameters might be, because the ones most ‘professional’ film critics set are hilariously irrelevant and inane)
If Frank recorded all the phone calls why didn’t Billy know about the second mole in the force? In the elevator Colin’s partner states that frank was going to sell them out to the FBI so there should’ve been recordings of both of them
When I watched it thinking it was a serious movie, I hated it.
When I watched it seeing it as a comedy, I loved it.
I do get your point about Madolyn, and i agree with your argument, but however:
That's Prime Vera Farmiga 🥵🔥
You are not incorrect.
I actually love both films. I personally enjoy watching The Departed more because of the performances, but I welcomed this criticism! Good video, man.
I respect the criticisms of this movie but despite hearing them I still enjoy the hell out of this movie on every viewing.
Ya know, it's interesting that you said in an earlier draft Costello was Billy's godfather, because that makes so much sense to me. That's actually the exact feeling I got from their relationship.
You straight up did this for clicks
Oh wow I was actually looking for this video the other day and thought I gaslit myself into believing it existed and got deleted for whatever reason💀 Glad to see it’s back and improved now. Thank you!
You guys are delusional af, IA is solid but theres a reason its never put on "best movies of the century" lists like Departed is
Your channel will grow so much from your choice to have a more relaxed approach to your thoughts and opinions. I look forward to every upload regardless. Your always having a conversation with us. You have a smooth way of including us as the audience..my only complaint...not enough videos!! Haha keep up the good work !!
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"Insufferable twat" is really too harsh. I actually saw the Korean original first, recognized all the points you were making in your vid, never felt you were off-base given the qualitative disparity. Anyway, nice 2nd take-down haha
You made great points, however The Departed is a 10/10 for me. Some flaws, sure but nothing major and it’s easily my favorite film. Either way, this is a well thought out and articulate video and you’ve earned a new subscriber.
Totally.
I read the film as Costello refusing to face the obvious.
This is incongruous with the character's motivations.
This alone ruined the movie for me.
Boston, though. What a town!
I still can't believe the editing made it look like they were in training at the same time. It's beyond stupid and confusing.
You clearly love this movie.
This is literally everything I felt after I watched the movie. I just felt like it was my least favorite of Scorsese’s filmography (I’ve seen about half of his films so far). I just felt it was so badly executed
The Irishman is worse.
My man, thanks for this. On the first video i just really liked hearing you speak your opinion. But on this one, i really do feel what you were trying to get at: the story, as bad/ok/good as it is, doesn't come close to the original.
This makes me so glad I didn't see Infernal Affairs before I watched The Departed. I actually haven't seen IA yet, I really need to get on that. I remember when The Departed came out, my uncle and I were very much anticipating it's DVD release, and the night we watched it we smoked half of a doobie beforehand and it was GREAT! I smoked like a chimney back then, but my unc not so much, so he was high as fuck lol. It was such a great night, though, and could have been marginally worse if I had seen IA beforehand. Glad you made this, you really did a fantastic job. I'm bout to watch IA presently.
29:00 This is an excellent argument. Its a fun watch due to the All Star cast but on subsequent rewatch the pacing issues, storytelling issues, characterization issues make it hard to enjoy the film.
Just watched this movie for the 1st time in 10+ years. If this were a 6-8 episode series to streaming I think the passage of time would be much more apparent. The fact Leo is wearing practically the same outfit the entire movie doesn't help much either.
FINALLY someone has the courage to say it.
21:41 I feel like if something is being adapted you need to fix problems with the original. Unless the OG is a masterpiece but the movie that was being adapted wasn’t a masterpiece and had flaws.
Infernal Affairs is actually a trilogy. The first film is the movie that The Departed is mostly based off of. The second is a prequel where the focus is on how Hon Sam (the Costello character in the Infernal Affairs films) and Superintendent Wong came to be who they are in the first film while the two rats are minor characters for the most part. The third film takes place after the events of the first film with Lau hoping that he doesn't get caught while we get flashbacks of Chan having sessions with his therapist and the potential love story that would have come out of it.
Infernal Affairs is more nuanced, I'd say, but The Departed is just as good of a film and actually adds some spice to a middle of the road cop story that got more ridiculous with each new film in the trilogy.
@@crater044 well the departed is more of a cat and mouse story, and the drama comes from the constantly shifting dynamics of whose the cat and mouse
22:11 - 22:22
Okay, so maybe credit can be given for Billy letting Madolyn know what to do if he dies. BUT, didn't you mentioned in your review that this is still a huge problem, because of the fact that it's instructions to call Dignam? Because what point did Billy have, if later on the rooftop, he's asks Trooper Brown if he brought Dignam? If Dignam did come onto the rooftop and ended getting killed with the other guys, then Madolyn would be left with no one to call and let them know that Colin's the mole. And why didn't Dignam come to the roof, to begin with?
Also, I have a theory that maybe the movie was trying to mislead audiences by also splitting the character of Inspector B (Infernal Affairs) into both Trooper Brown and Barrigan, since Inspector B shows up to hold Chan at gunpoint, order him to release Lau, only to reach the elevator and kill him, revealing himself as the other mole. That way, when people question why Brown didn't bring Dignam they could suspect that Brown is behind something, similar to the original, only to "subvert expectations" when Barrigan's revealed. I still don't get why they did this though, because as you mention in the old reviews, that this would still bring several plot-holes, unlike how Infernal Affairs.
I seriously thought Leonardo DiCaprio and Matt Damon were the same character and they were doing some weird back/forth time thing with the editing. It made everything a jumble. Then they both showed up in the same scene and I was like ooooohhhhhhh.
Then the thing went on to win an Oscar and have consoled myself with that it was the pity prize for Marty.
If that’s genuinely what you thought then I have no words
Pulp Fictions the same, right? One scene John Travolta's dead then two minutes later he's sat in a cafe!
@@GigaChadh976 you have 11 words.
YES! I thought this for so long but even as a Scorsese skeptic I thought I was alone
Thanks on the articulation of legit doubts
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this is the most cathartic thing ive ever seen
One of my favorite films and the timeline was never an issue for me. You can assume time went by, maybe even a few years, but that never seems to hurt the plot. It's minor point at best.
This hasn't been downvoted by the entire population of Boston, so far so good
when you're so angry you have an argument with yourself
jk I do this at least 7 times weekly
The scene where Colin and Madelyn are in bed together, and Colin says, “It has to be you who gets out. I’m fucking Irish. I’ll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life.” Does this scene imply that she knew about him being undercover?
Still one of my favorite movies to watch, but you bring up pretty solid criticism that I can’t really argue against, well said once again.
The one thing I have true gripes with is the ending, while it was super great in my first time viewing the film,in subsequent rewatches it’s really illogical and is just subverting expectations for the sake of it.
i like how this comment section is basically "i agree with you but i still liked the movie" this is Scorsese's guilt pleasure for me rather then his magnum opus like goodfellas or wolf of wall street
Tell me you're a virgin without saying it
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I think theres a good film in the Departed. Its about 50 minutes shorter and is called Infernal Affairs.
I really want to like the remake but it i like the actors but it just feels really all over the place and messy. I normally like messy movies but this just wasn't interesting enough to me.
I LOVE The Departed - and every single one of these is points is true. These things always felt off to me and I never recognized them. *edit wtf, the alternative explanation for Costelo and Billy's knowing eachother would have made so much more sense.
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There’s movies you can hit and movies you can’t. Now, thats not quite a movie you can’t hit, but its almost a movie you can hit. So I’m gonna make a fuckin ruling on this right now: you don’t fucking hit it! In all seriousness though, you brought up some very valid points. Great video
I'm very curious to see how this goes. I'm usually in the ballpark of Mac's takes, but I quite like the Departed, in fact I'd put it ahead of Casino, The Aviator and maybe even Raging Bull in Scorsese's filmography (though behind Taxi Driver, WoWS and Goodfellas). I guess that's because it works on a scene to scene level so well, creating tension and maintaining his trademark pace (s/o to Thelma Schoonmaker), as well as on a deeper thematic level. I'm one of those people that always read Matt Damon's character as deeply closeted, with on screen evidence to support that, and the parallels about living a double life, and the tension between your expected and authentic self make the movie have a lot more to say than most crime flicks. My 2 cents anyway. Eager to watch your analysis.
Damn Frank being Bills GF would absolutely reframe the entire movie and the entire character of Frank. Cuz I agree, how did Frank not know Billy was the mole lol super obvious
The editing is set up that way to emphasize the parallels between the two characters...Pretty obviously
Still poor editing. But in any case, as I say it is a symptom of a larger problem.
@@MacabreStorytelling It's not poor editing just because you don't like, or comprehend it
@@jmarra07 well… no. As I said it implies they are in training at the same time which they are not.
@@MacabreStorytelling But it's not if you actually pay attention to the film. There is never a shot of them together in the Academy, which is a dead giveaway. Another giveaway is in the scene where Sullivan is interviewing for the detective job with Queenan and Dignam while Billy is fresh out of the Academy.
I agree with the previous person in that declaring it "bad editing" just because you didn't know what was going on is not a valid criticism. Especially with a film that benefits from several rewatches to catch all of the details. You start to pick up on things.
It's Scorsese relying on the audience to pay attention
@@crater044 well again no. There are scenes where it cuts from Colin’s training to Billy’s back to Colins’. Thus it is jumping back and forth between 4 years apart. I’m the script it shows Colin’s training in its entirety and then shows Billy’s. I think this seems more like just trying to defend it no matter what cost. And that is only a single instance of poor editing throughout the film.
Hey broskies have you watched Everything Everywhere All at Once yet? I liked it a WHOLE lot. There’s so much going on though, I wonder if that makes it difficult to discuss.
Based film
@@MacabreStorytelling based review.
The story of this film is confusing, and not in a good way. The story is confusing because it's not told well, and it's a story that really shouldn't be confusing at all. I think Martin Scorsese is a great director, and Jack Nicholson, Leo Dicaprio, and Matt Damon are all great actors, but this film just isn't that good in my opinion.
Its funny how we can just go into autopilot when watching a movie. I never thought about the rooftop scene near the end, and how ridiculous Billy's decision to meet Collin there, rather than just turning over evidence directly to the police. Maybe he was worried Collin might escape before getting arrested due to his connections in the department. But this as well is easily avoidable if Billy gives the evidence directly to Dignam instead of Captain Ellerby.
The other silly decision I just noticed was Dignam's choice of killing Collin off the books. I guess you could make the argument that he took the killing of Captain Queenan and Billy on a personal level, and just wanted the pleasure of killing Collin himself. However, I still think Dignam would have done the legal thing, and just arrest him. He may have been an asshole, but he still displayed a boy scout mentality when it came to rule of law; only breaking it in the least amount possible if it guaranteed true justice. And he had plenty of evidence to guarantee Collin would go to prison. Plus, going to prison is more of a punishment for Collin anyway; instead of just exiting life with a bullet, he would be in a form of hell, stuck there for life.
Why would billy go to the police when he knows thats Costello has informants of his own? The only people in the police he could trust for certain is dignam.
@@GigaChadh976 I think you missed the last sentence of my first paragraph. I point out this exact issue, and come to the same conclusion. Not to mention, going to Dignam is still going to the police, he's only on temporary suspension, he's not retired. With all of Billy's evidence, Dignam would have all he needs to ensure this case gets handled correctly at the precinct. At least well enough to take down Collin.
Great video, will watch Infernal Affairs asap
I disagree that the movie isn’t good. It’s a great film. But I also agree with everything you say. Basically the plot is non sensical and doesn’t work BUT the execution is sorta great in a superficial sorta way. It’s almost like the movie is a car with a fucked up engine but an excellent paint job.
Like the execution is fucked when you think about it but to a casual viewer they wouldn’t recognize it. I think I have a blind spot to this movie because I saw it when I was in like 6th grade I think
We need to stop actively excusing bad media from multimillion productionw