Panzergrenadiers & Combined Arms Battalions - Road Diaries 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2019
- In this video I ask Nicholas Moran "The Chieftain" about Panzergrenadiers and Mechanized/Armored Infantry we go off-track several times and also touch the US Combined Arms Battalions, because we kann.
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von Senger und Etterlin, F. M.: Die Panzergrenadiere. Geschichte und Gestalt der mechanisierten Infanterie 1930-1960. J. F. Lehmans Verlag: 1961, München.
Wettstein, Adrian E.: Die Wehrmacht im Stadtkampf 1939-1943. Ferdinand Schöningh: Paderborn, 2014.
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0:05 - Chieftain Flak Tower Talk - th-cam.com/video/G-Z2eV72iv4/w-d-xo.html
2:20 - Italy First? - th-cam.com/video/ocMvIEjbw6g/w-d-xo.html
04:07 - Hedgerow Fighting Tactics - th-cam.com/video/9sbwU-KMH2k/w-d-xo.html
05:06 - Sturmgeschütze - German Assault Artillery - th-cam.com/video/tFXZcC1xZnI/w-d-xo.html
06:00 - The most underrated Panzer - Panzer I - th-cam.com/video/Gp5Q7ZIUiHE/w-d-xo.html
Interesting discussion, the acid test for your question, possibly was the battle for Geikenkirchen, General Horrocks was given the American 84th Division, new to the theatre he added his best armoured brigade the SRY under Stanley Christopherson , Crocodiles and Flails from 79th Armour and a strong element of Artillery. He rated the 84th soldiers highly.so three very experienced British Army units working with a new American infantry unit. The first shock, was when he went to see the Divisional Commander, they had never seen their 3 star general at the sharp end.
German and American officers discuss doctrinal differences while on the way to a castle in the Austrian town of Itter, 1945 (Colourized)
Bernhard is Austrian though.
@@Downloadguy1995 Well... Yes. But the joke wouldn't work if I wrote "austrian" now would it?
@@Downloadguy1995 So was Hitler. I don't think many people were making the distinction at the time mate.
@@Paveway-chan nice joke i must admit
@@Downloadguy1995 Austrians are Germans, they just live in a separate country from most of the other Germans.
The Maneuver Center of Mediocrity is operated by the U.S. Postal Service in Ravenna, Ohio and features three battalions of mules and one motorized battalion of Trabants and Vespa scooters.
@menckencynic I was a roller skate mechanic there for three long years.
An Irishman and an Austrian speaking English in America...
The world is pretty rad.
Well all Irish people speak English as well as Irish.
@@faeembrugh Speak it as well as Irish? That's up for debate. Granted it's a shite sight better than the Scots.
Road Diaries 2:
Bernard and Chieftain in an M3 Scout Car
Good Discussion (:
"Bridges of Madison County" takes place in Iowa, not Ohio. Silly Chieftain! ;-)
Good discussion!
They should have been more specific in the title
That's nearly the same anyway.
I scrolled all the way through to make sure somebody didn't already post this.
It's like the tanks version of "Comedians in a car getting coffee."
My first duty station was Benning and the first thing I saw going in through the gate was the sign 'Manuevre Centre of Excellency' on the overpass bridge that had just gotten destroyed in a trailer truck accident. It was a very 'Army' sight.
But who has the Manoeuvre Center of "Meh, good enough"?
Officially, Maneuver Center Of Adequacy.
An austrian saying kerfuffle. Made my day.
There is a good book called "If you Survive" by Goerge Wilson. It depicts the authors service with the 4th ID during WWII. He joined the Division as a freshly minted 2nd Lieutenant just days before Operation Cobra. He fought with the division through the rest of the war. But its interesting his perspective on officers training. As a leader of a rifle platoon, they never discussed combined arms warfare during training so he was forced to figure it out as he went along. Provides an interesting perspective from the Infantryman's side of combined arms warfare.
Great double act. Very entertaining and very informative.
Seat belt, Bernard? We love you and want you to be safe.
Looks like he does actually, you can see it slouching off his right shoulder at the end of the vid when he manoeuvres to say his parting phrase 'see you next time'. Still he ought to have it on good, prim & proper, STRAC, really should always be to work best in an accident but also for the camera (and fine avoidance) clearly fastened tight over his collar bone for combined arms manoeuvre excellence.
He has it on
Ah panzergrenadiere are really one my most favorite infantry unit of World War II !
I never would've guessed.
@@nathanielcrosby2426 well that's the reason why i use it ^^
@@Pantsugrenadiere True, true. At least you have good taste in East Asian animation.
YAY!! you went to the National Airforce Museum at Wright-Patterson Airforce Base. You guys were pretty much in my backyard. I'm really excited to see what you guys come up with. There are so many 1-of-a-kind exhibits there. Too bad Bismarck couldn't be there. He'd be a kid in a candy store.
Oh god Bismarck there would explode from joy
can we have a podcast you and Chieftain just ranting about anything
I knew it all along! Bernhard is a robot! His voice protocol is malfunctioning
Relax. The NSA assures me it is nothing to worry about and he is definately not here to spy on us.
The israelis had a lot of problems with the lack of infatry support in Golan, but it was mostly due to too tank heavy formations.
The IDF Brigades (A beefed up Regiment, they don't use Regs) and Divisions went through several iterations since then. From the complete elimination of the Logistics unit on the division level which led to atrocious losses in Lebanon to more recent "Universal Manouvere 'Gideon' Battlegroup" from roughly 2016 which fuses engineers, infantry and armour down to I think Company level.
A military god and a tank god
Wow
Love how you two are working so much together! The real A-Team! 😂
If only Ian and Karl were in the backseat...
I could listen to talks like this for hours. Great content!
Great stuff, I really like you two together. Very interesting
Fun to see two of my favourite TH-cam war historians having fun.
Looking forward to the afb visit. Love how the two of you compliment each others expertise.
Another good video for another day
@TheChieftain, Nice to mention the film, only it was filmed on location in Madison County, Iowa, including the town of Winterset. If you do get to see it one day, you’ll see they are covered bridges, ie roofed over.
There's the Midwest’s largest World War II re-enactment in North America. The event site is Midway Village Museum in Rockford IL, This weekend.
You two = great fun .. thanks for sharing.
You'll love the Air Force Museum.
Great video MHV thank u beard daddy
The Manuever Center of Mediocrity is Ft. Leonard Wood, Missouri. Also known as Ft. Lost in the Woods, Misery.
If what I read on wikipedia is correct, there is yet further reorganisation of the Brigade Combat Teams concept. The Heavy Brigade the Chieftan was talking about used to have 3 combined arms battalions, each having 2 each of tank companies and mechanised infantry. It seems that the recent reorg (2016) changed so that each battalion now has only 3 companies. A Heavy Brigade now has 2 Armoured Battalions, each having 2 x Tank Companies and 1 x Mechanised Infantry Company, and 1 Mechanised Infantry Battalion, each having 1 x Tank Company and 2 x Mechanised Infantry Company. This reorg eliminated 2 x Mechanised Infantry Companies and 1 x Tank Company. The Mech. Infantry was eliminated from the Brigade while the Tank Company is moved to the Cavalry Battalion. This makes the Brigade having a combined arms recon unit; sort of similar to the Forward Detachment concept of the Red Army.
If you want to know what happens to Mechanised Infantry in a 21st century high intensity conflict (not the counter-insurgency wars), then there is really only one place: War in the Donbass, Ukraine. One of the problem with looking at this war is the fact that the open source information available is really one-sided and with certain political motivation behind it. Anyway, the open sources included:
- Presentation "Dr. Phillip Karber on the Russian Way of War" available on YT, under Modern War Institute channel.
- "Karber RUS-UKR War Lessons Learned", de-classified report, available on ResearchGate.
Some trends related to mechanised infantry:
- Indirect fire by artillery tubes and MLRS firing thermobaric fuel-air explosive and top-attack cluster munition married with UAVs infesting the 21st century battlefield are very lethal. If casualty of WWII is ~50% cause by artillery, it seems that the rate climbed to 70-80%. Unconcealed mechanised manoeuvres are expected to be fired upon about 15 minutes after being spotted by UAVs.
- Mechanised infantry riding in light IFVs and APCs (BTRs and BMPs) still suffer disproportionate casualties compared to the tanks they are supposed to accompany. These vehicles are vulnerable to artillery fire (tubes and MLRS, thermobaric and top-attack cluster munitions); the most dramatic of which is the fire strike at Zelenopillya where a shelling lasting only a few minutes destroyed 2 Ukrainian mechanised battalions in the open. In Karber's words, the Ukrainians had to create a new triage level for casualties "when your friend is on fire and begs you to shoot him to put him out of his misery". They are also vulnerable to each other, since these IFV are all armed with 25-30mm cannnons capable of killing each other. ATGMs also flooded the battlefield.
- The casualties from light IFV being destroyed and burned up after getting hit resulted in troops from both sides currently prefer to ride into battle in tankodesantniki mode: riding on top of their IFV instead of being inside it. They would prefer to disperse and take the chances with shrapnel wounds (they have body armour) and thermobaric warheads than burning to death inside a vehicles. Assaults are still done by dismounted infantry. not mounted. IFVs are employed in overwatched positions, not assaulting to the objective.
- The remedy for increase lethality has been historically dispersion of combat forces: the troop density in Ukraine is only a fraction of the historically assumed density. Light IFVs in the future might carry only half a squad (dispersion). Alternatively, IFVs need to be as heavily armoured as the tanks (Israeli's NAMER IFV or Russian T15).
Namer is basically a Merkava without a main gun turret
I heard that they moved away from the combined arms battalions from around 2016
Looks up wiki, per wiki they have moved from a Square formation of 2 and 2 companies to a triangular one with two armor companies and a infantry, with the third battalion being inverted (two infantry and one armor).
Do Armoured Fighting Vehicles attrack enemy fire that kills their infantry support OR do the AFV's and support infantry simply have more hazardous duty ?
I suspect that the casualties in AFV Support Infantry are do to being used in hazardous offensive combat roles vs the defensive use of ground pounding infantry.
Either way.... Might be a Topic.
The infantry always have the most hazardous duty usually its fire support like mortars and artillery the gives the infantry hell. Killing or holding them down enough to get the infantry separated from the tanks.
Hey Bernhardt (I hope I wrote it right)! Do you think you can look up stuff about german radar development, and opinions on the british radar stations by the air force? Most places just say "Oh yeah the british had radar and it was good" and that's all you get.
Apparently auto-generated captions thought Panzergrenadiers was 'Pentagram is'...
Kerfuffle for the win.
Lol @ Bridges of Madison County film reference. Dont think Bernard got that one. CLINT
By the time the Americans went overseas they were all motorized. Flash back to Band of brother "Say hello to Ford, and General Fuckin Motors!". 😂😂
military history buffs in cars
Sounds like a great series, someone with some money should back this project and make it happen. They could hire the Chieftain as the host and send him around the country and the world in a different military vehicle talking to various experts on military history.
Motorized Armor Information Expeditionary Force
@@Alpostpone anime or manga?
Dear lord, driving thru armpit (Ohio). Come north to the Mitten much prettier than cornfields and a hell of a lot cooler. Just drive north on I75, eventually you'll get to Detroit and you'll see the River Rouge Complex from the road while driving the huge Arsenal of Democracy.
You guys should collaborate with Matsimus👍
Man i wish i was in that car too XD
11:35 a bradley or other APC/IFV doesn't?
Wear your seatbelt, Bernhard.
is that echo or a doubled audio
Uhm both?
Great video but Bernards mike needs help......btw subtitles for bernard are always hilarious
> btw subtitles for bernard are always hilarious
me: Falkland Islands
YT: Fucking Islands
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized 😂😂 if it makes you feel better it also butchers chieftains speech
Put your seat-belt on! ….bearded dude!
it is on! Look at the start of the video!
Nice discussion, but next time pull over to a coffee shop and record without the road noise!
we did not have time for that
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized No time for a cup of coffee at Stuckey's?? Terrible!
we were going from airport to restaurant to Hotel - sleep - breakfast. Get into the car a short trip to a rabbit monument, mount the camera & mic. Record, drive to the Air Force museum, arrive while recording. Going in, recording there, then going out, getting in again to record Chieftain's "quick tour", get out and move on to a meet & greet. Then Hotel, then Conneaut D-Day Event.
We only took breaks for food, fans, fuel and sleep.
not to mention that a) I don't drink coffee and b) the customers are likely louder than the car & road.
@@MilitaryHistoryNotVisualized How can you do all that without coffee? Anyway, Good talk. Thanks.
coffee like all other drugs leads to the development of tolerances. Also most substances just mess up the natural adrenaline, etc. never used energy drinks, coffee, alcohol, etc. as such - I think - my body is rather good getting in the required state.
Why the RTR T-shirt?
It was in my suitcase, and I didn't want to go shirtless.
@@TheChieftainsHatch Heaven forbid! The yanks could not cope with that pasty Irish skintone.
If you're still in Ohio you should see if the Lima Tank plant we show you around where Abram tanks are born.
@ I didn't know they stopped production. Are they designing a new one or just trying to get through the massive amount of extra tanks congress made them build?
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It sounds like everyone had manpower issues in wwii.
The British and Canadians invented the armoured personnel carrier in WW2. This kept infantry losses down substantially improving fighting efficiency. The British could deliver a big blow with fewer men. Over the world the British had a vast army. 2.5 million in the British Indian Army alone.
*Mobilization:*
Across SIX years of war, Britain and its Empire mobilized *nine million people into land forces.* This figure excludes auxiliary, naval and air force personnel.
*Land Forces 1939-45*
Australia 751,729
Britain 3,510,309
B. Indian Ocean 6,500
Canada 730,625
Cyprus 30,000
East Africa 200,000
Fiji 3,050
British Guiana 42
Hong Kong 2,200
India 2,455,779
Kenya 98,240
Malaysia 1,500
Nepal 250,280
Newfoundland 4,005
New Zealand 128,905
Nigeria 121,652
Sudan 20,000
South Africa 334,000
Southern Africa 77,767
West Africa 200,000
West Indies 10,000
I'm not sure I'd agree with that opening statement, unless you're talking about the Bren/Scout/Universal carriers, which were really only partially armored. The various half-tracked APCs from the US and Germany pre-date the Kangaroos, and the first full-tracked APCs to enter service were the French ones in 1938.
@@TheChieftainsHatch
The Kangaroo initially based on the Churchill. Shermans had their turrets removed to just pile men inside. The allies were not short of tanks. The tanks were not as good as German tanks in many cases, but they had lots of them. Montgomery cared for his men under his command, British, Canadian, American, Poles, etc. Casualties were always lighter than American and German armies. Some US casualties were horrendous in WW2: 52,000 in Lorraine, 34,000 at Hurtgen Forest, 1000,000 at the Bulge alone. In the Scheldt, the Canadian casualties were far less than anticipated using Kangaroos. They were first used in Normandy.
A Kanagroo was based on a Grant chassis. The Grant was outdated by the time Normandy came along, so those chassis' were rife for conversion. The chassis' were also used for mounting artillery guns on.
The best Kangaroo was the converted Churchill. They had side doors and I believe the top was covered on some of them. The Churchill could climb to places no other tank could, like up steep hills and small mountains. The Merritt Brown gearbox assured all that. It could also turn on its axis, so ideal as an armoured personnel carrier.
WW1 ended, for the armoured personnel carrier to be used, although invented for the 1919 plan. What amazes me is that the idea was not used for the outbreak of WW2.
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I live in Ohio! Where are you currently?!
this was weeks ago
Military History not Visualized that was true Blitzkrieg... I didn’t even notice my encirclement until 2 weeks later.
Guess I will just wait in my position until the surrender is official.
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The Maneuver Center of Mediocrity is and always has been the Pentagon.
False, nothing moves in the Pentagon.
I’m getting too old for time-wasting free filing. Get to the point...
Then dont watch lol