Yes, hammerless snubbies are #1 when it comes to conceal carry and yet there are gun talkers making videos showing their expertise in showing snubbies with hammers for conceal carry. A hammer will snag on you in the heat of a surprise attack, eliminate every disadvantage with the gun your gonna carry since autos malfunction more often than revolvers. In reality if you can`t stop the threat with 5 rounds you best run.
You could own a $3000 custom 1911 and someone online would find something negative to say about it. Taurus makes great revolvers, yes occasionally a bad one will slip past QC, but that happens with every gun company.
And hasn't happened, as much, in quite some time. They've really stepped up their game. People tend to forget that Glock had a run of negligent discharges and Sig p320 came out NOT drop safe, and I seem to remember this p365 having some striker drag issues.... Just saying folks.
@@AOMartialArts Like I related elsewhere in the comments, I recently looked at a Colt King Cobra the FFL couldn't open the cylinder on. Inside the frame the milling was rough and jagged. I told him he needed to send it back. That was on a $859 firearm.
@@LionquestFitness I bought a Taurus 856 with a 2" barrel. I love it. I left it cocked for a week, now it doesn't need a spring kit. I also added a couple drops of motor oil to it. It's smooth with a light hammer spring now. It performs flawless. I know Taurus gets a bad rap and I'm quite surprised that they're still in business. They released a 24/7 gun that if you just shook it in your hand it would fire. That's one of the most dangerous guns that was ever made. Yet, because they sold so many of those cheaply made rough riders, they managed to stay a float. Their quality was much better in the 90's. Their finishes look horrible compared to those made in the 90's. But for the money, their guns are well made today. even their G2c and G3c's are spectacular for their price ranges. I feel quite happy to own mine. I'd recommend Taurus to anyone on a tight budget. Great video..I had to subscribe. you also have a lovely looking granddaughter. I'm sure that she has her pawpaw wrapped around her pretty little finger. hahaha...Peace..Joe
Its a nice looking gun for sure, I own and shot a lot of Taurus, revolvers and semi auto and never had a single issue with any of them, and with its price you cant go wrong. Thanks for sharing
Greg, good points. I too commit to a gun. If it is my carry gun, I wear it all the time. I keep it clean and ready. You are right about cylinder latch botton screws. Yes, blue lock tite works well. Any revolver can have one do that, regardless of brand.
Hi Mike - good points. I've some other issues fixed with loctite with both S&W and Taurus Revolvers. One that seems to shake loose sometimes on Taurus revolvers is the cylinder screw on the side plate.
I've had the cylinder release buttons come off on all my S&W revolvers so I did the same thing u did and put blue loctite on them and problem solved. I always check my screws on all my revolvers after I shoot them. Thanks for sharing.
I took my Taurus 856 steel snubnose to the range today and fired 50 38 special dirty powerful Tula ammo and it worked perfectly. For me it is the perfect weight. Not too light, not too heavy. I like that it has 6 shots too.
Greg, glad to hear the 856 is running well. I bought a Taurus 605 awhile back (based on your recommendation) and it's been just fine. Seems to shoot pretty close to point of aim with any .38 special +p ammo I have tried and spot on with some old Federal .38 Special +p+ 147 grain JHP Hydra-Shok I have left over from the 1990s. I'm getting the bug for an 856 airweight because, well, it's an airweight! But if my wife complains I plan on blaming you. LOL! I will check the latch release screw on my old S&W 640 (which now mostly sits in my gun safe) because now you got me thinking. Thanks for giving us something to look forward to.
Hey John, I have an Airweight S&W in .38 cal. (Mod. 39?) and it isn't a fun gun to shoot; it somehow hits my knuckles funny. Maybe a T-Grip would help, but I don't practice with it much as a result. Keep this in mind if you buy the 856. Oh, I usually bring my 686+ with the 3-inch barrel when I go to the farm at night. Problem solved! Good luck. --Old Guy
@@Ed-ig7fj I suspect you have a model 49 (commonly called the humpback) with a shrouded hammer but can still be cocked? The S&W model 39 was a single stack 9mm, a fine little gun. The S&W J-frames, especially the airwrights, will knock your finger if you don't grip them really hard. I have always had to put larger grips on mine because I have big hands and long fingers. Pachmeyr diamond grips (Edit: Diamond Pro Grips) make J-frames a whole lot more useful, to me anyway, but will make them harder for some people to conceal. I have big pockets and it's a non-issue for me. BTW, if you have a model 49 that you don't like to shoot and you are in or near South Carolina, I might be willing to take her off your hands. LOL! They really are great little guns.
Thanks Greg……I’m pretty much a S&W revolver guy but I also have a couple of rugers ,0ne RIA in 38 special and a charter arms off duty 38 special that I have had for over 30 years and never had a problem with. I love my smiths and rugers but my inexpensive RIA and charter arms have been really reliable and have never failed me. Keep up the good work brother 👍👍
I believe Gun Sam had a problem w that spring not strong enough on 856 defender and it not rotating 100%....that's worrisome. But even New Smith Revos seem not like old Smith Revos in handling them as per QC or trigger etc. It was Killaries Nasty Hole the screw and release were trying to escape near there understandably.
My S & W 10-5 is still at the gunsmith with the lockup issue. Dang backlog! We need more trained gunsmiths in this country. Happy to say all my Taurus revolvers have never needed repair.
Glad you figured out the issue without spendin' an arm and a leg for shippin' to Georgia. I'd take it to a local smith for a spring kit installation and get it back to stock: with wood grips as well.
Same gun, same place, all the time. I forget who said that but it sounds like good advice to me. I can see you follow the same philosophy. Yet another great video sir.
I've heard it from many folks Max, but the story that impressed me the most was the medic from the first Gulf War who trained with his Beretta, ate with his Beretta, slept with his Beretta and kept it at hand morning, noon and night.
I too have a Taurus 856 ultra light spurless hammer snubby. Had it 3 years now. I have that and a Taurus 856 Defender stainless steel 3"barrel. Carry both cross draw.
With that pin installed, grip changing is a challenge. I won some custom grips on an auction, nice looking rosewood. Thought about using a C Clamp and small bit to push out the pin vs drive it out. If you pad a vise, dont want to damage the exact parts you discussed.
I’ve never owned a Taurus but I have had frame screws come lose on my S&W revolvers following a range trip. This is especially true on the light weight guns, which is all I carry. Good video Greg, keep ‘em coming.
Thank you for bringing that out about Taurus not being the only one letting lemons leave the factory, as most manufacturers are having quality control issues today.
What a lovely grandchild! Thanks again for a great video. I was looking at an 856 today but the gun shop was too busy with the big weekend; I couldn't see it out of the case. Maybe next week! --Old Guy
I just had a Taurus 942 .22 since new. Only fired it maybe 100 rounds blew up in my hands years ago. Never sent it in till now. They are giving me a new gun. Will see what they give me, but hats off if they send me a new gun 20 years old.
For over 23 years I owned, trained and qualified expert with Taurus "85s" out to 50 yards because my department required the same qualification standards with backups as it did with our service weapons. The last one I carried on AND off duty was a stainless steel 85CH loaded with 125grn Federal H-S +Ps. Upon my retirement I allowed myself to be talked into selling that revolver to a young officer who was about to embark on a long-term undercover assignment. As far as I know it is still in service with that officer who has since returned to uniform duty. I miss my old 85CH so much I am torn between using a late model S&W "Bodyguard" that both The Lovely Bride and I despise for either a new 856CH or a strictly GI 1911A1 in .45ACP.
Tough choices. A Taurus 856CH will run about $350. If you don't like it you can do a consignment sale for thirty dollars less and it will sell quick. Taurus can be hit or miss, but their snubs are usually decent.
@@LionquestFitness I must be the luckiest guy on the planet as I have owned several medium and small frame Taurus revolvers over the last few decades, and they all preformed far and away better than I had any right to expect them too. Only medium frame Ruger revolvers preformed at a higher level.
I had good luck with a couple Taurus firearms especially revolvers. 20 years ago I had a model 82. It was nearly perfect especially for a $185 gun. Very good advice about being the man with one gun with a spare, if you can
I have been carrying my 856 UL for well over a year now. Just recently we went out offroading and crossed a river. My snubby and spare ammo were under water for some time due to us getting stuck. After firing some rounds hours later 1 round seemed to have a light primer strike. Can't say if it was the gun or the ammo but kept shooting it until it shot that round again. Once I got home it got a good cleaning and a fresh batch of ammo. One thing I will say, the ammo I had in it was in there since I bough the gun. So yes it was time to get fresh ammo. I also used it with a snake shot round for a rattler we ate and I noticed it's better to only use 1 round of snakeshot at a time because having 2 can jam the cylinder.
I have several Taurus snubbies and S&W and a Rossi(wife adopted it). Never a problem..an older 4" Taurus lost it's rear sight blade..have yet to find a replacement. And my 1976 Ruger Security-six. Is my powerhouse.. Have a nice weekend, Greg.
Never shot a rapscallion before. I have shot a couple of ragamuffins though!!! Just picked one up at my local pawn shop for a song!!! Great video bro!!! 😁👍❤️
Took my 94 vintage Colt Detective Special to a well thought of gunsmith some time ago & had him check the internals for any necessary lube/TLC. Had fired it before but never had the side plates off. Took it to the range when I got it back. On the first trigger pull/press nothing happened. The hammer didn't come back & the cylinder didn't turn. Put it up & finished the range time with one of the Glocks.....Took it right back to him. The only thing wrong with it was that one of the side-plate screws under the cylinder hadn't been tightened enough. Ya just never know.
You go back a little further than I do, but I remember a time when L.E. not only carried revolvers but police range instructors doubled as certified gun smiths.
I just got a Taurus 856 Ultra Lite Black. Put a Houge grip on it. I like it, haven't fired it yet and I hope I never have to use it. Taurus has really come a long way with their quality control in recent years.
Yes and no. After Covid, like most manufacturers, QC got shoddy for a time. I think they are starting to get past that. It wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some range time, and shooting different defensive ammo to see what works best for you and your firearm.
Great video! Looking to get a 642 myself soon and this is helpful info, will be sure to Loctite that screw. Also couldn't agree more with getting intimate with one gun, if you treat it right it will treat you right
another good video with good shooting, too. one of my best friends trashes taurus, but i have had two 85's, a 605 and a millenium g2 and none has ever given me a problem. i may just be lucky. i would like to have an 856 and i wish they would do what they did with the 85 ang come out with a six shot 805 with a 3-4 inch barrel.
I think, and I may be wrong, but the problem with a six round .357 with a small frame revolver has to do with the steel being able to handle the internal pressure. Either the cylinder would have to be much larger or they would have to use a higher grade of steel.
Saying from the wild west days: "BEWARE THE MAN WHO ONLY OWNS ONE GUN" as he will be an expert in it's use. Like your channel SUBSCRIBER. Have the 856 3" Ultralite black over alloy in my EDC rotation. Very long time shooter, efficinado, collector. Great gun
You are a little more astute than most with your maintenance and checking functionality than many others. I recall the days of the old Federal Treasury load (+P+), and yoke screws loosing at qualification and practice on the 4" 65's. Your locktite cure is onebIve used on the same screw down through the years.
Loc-tite can be a cure all along with duct tape & WD-40,,lol.A few weeks ago I lost a recoil spring plug out of a 1911 when I was putting it back together.I ended up having to order another one from Ebay.I still haven't been able to find that first one yet.
We all have our lists of “if only” lol. Well, if only the 640 held six rounds! I have to say Greg between that cylinder release issue and in one of your recent videos you were explaining how the sites needed adjustment on your S&W 640. I mean for the price they charge for that gun it should be a lot better than it is straight off the production line.
Thanks Greg! I know I've mentioned it before, but the brand I've had the most quality issues with ( brand new guns) is Smith and Wesson. I love em, but I've sent 3 new guns back to SW for repair right out of the box... and all for mechanical problems, not cosmetic ones. They all run great now, but expensive doesn't mean issue-free. That being said, I've purchased just as many new Rugers, have yet to send one of those back 🙂
I have the same pistol GREG. I put a Wilson spring kit in it, and also polished some of the internals. That made it a really great shooter! Yeah, it’s amazing what you can find when you walk around in your bare feet!
Thank you very much for this very interesting video, as usual. Where I live, it's difficult to find recent Taurus revolvers (the local importer does a poor job). But we have other brands of "more affordable" revolvers (especially Weirauch (german) and Alpha Proj (czech)).
Boa noite aqui do Brasil, pelo seu vídeo anterior,imaginei que era esse problema da mola presa,parabéns pelo trabalho maravilhoso,do seu fã brasileiro 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
@@fbweaver63 apesar que aqui no Brasil não existem alguns modelos como esse da taurus USA,nossa burocracia acaba deixando os brasileiros sem algumas ótimas opções de revólver. Espero ter conseguido responder você.
@@LionquestFitness alguns modelos que existem nos EUA, não tem aqui,🤦♂️. Também ocorre com algumas pistolas . Aqui acredito que atualmente só o 605 em 357, 82s em 38, e tem um modelo em 3",no calibre 38 que não recordo a referencia dele. E há vários modelos em polegadas de cano maiores ,além dos calibres que aqui no Brasil só começam a serem liberados a poucos anos,357,9mm,.40,44, etc. Somente agora o governo liberou o 10mm. Estamos muito atrasados, mesmo com nossa própria indústria,muitos anos de governo desarmamentista. Hj com nosso presidente Jair Messias Bolsonaro, que retornamos a armar nosso povo.
I like Taurus revolvers. I have a few of them. The only time I had a problem is when I started to tinker with one. I am a licensed security officer in Florida. I shoot 2 calibers for the state qualification. I always do my revolver test with my Taurus.
@@LionquestFitness In my case I changed both the hammer and return springs. They were too weak so I started to have light primer strikes especially with Winchester ammo. I had to change them back. Thank you for your videos. Please keep it going.
I agree with what you say about sticking with one gun. I like guns, I have a few but I have decided to concentrate on one particular gun for carry, to get proficient with that gun and let that be my "go to". I'm going to keep my other firearms but they will be shot just for the fun of it. You always offer good solid, sensible advice.
Thank you Greg, for your honesty & insightful gun tid bits. Stuff happens, I hear criticism of semi autos, ohhh revolvers are sooo much more reliable! Stuff happens & hopefully it won't in a crisis. Stay Safe Brother 👍
Generally speaking, I have had good luck with Taurus firearms. There has only been one of them that I wasn't happy with but after sending it back to Taurus USA it came back fixed and with the limited testing I had done afterwards the problems (yes plural) were gone. True, S&W firearms are nicer and hopefully of better quality (and that's debatable) they cost two to three times more than a Taurus firearm does. So if I have to lose a weapon to police custody as evidence I would rather it be a Taurus.
When you said "broken rhythm", I heard "broken rib". I assumed you had done too many Starsky & Hutch rolls. As for pocket carry, I've got my eye on the 640 Pro PC. I hope to add some classic checkered grips, and a t-grip.
Good to see the 856 is back in action. Great shooting as always. I feel like I might even have a back-up to my back-up 😀. Not exactly sticking with one gun but using the tool appropriate for the situation. Excellent video Greg and Juliette is a beauty!
One other thing. Juliette is also left handed, so when I pass this veil she'll get all those beautiful Marc Thomas holsters I own and the guns that go in them.
If I'm remembering the construction correctly, it sounds like something might have been rubbing the spring within the grips with the aftermarket grips.
@@LionquestFitness I vaguely remember something like that happening to me, I believe with a Ruger. I believe I removed material from the inside of the grip and it worked fine.
If Taurus would drill the grip retention roll pin hole to the proper size for the roll pin used, you probably would not have seen this temporarily malfunction. Driving this roll pin out of the 856 the first time in never fun. I reamed this hole out on my three Taurus revolvers.
Not a bad idea. A solid metal roll pin would be an improvement as well. I'm sure it is designed tight to keep the rubber grip in position and the rolled sheet metal roll pin as well to keep manufacturing costs down.
Love my 856! I took your suggestion you sent me about the blue lock tight for my 642 cylinder release. I’m still so paranoid I check the release on my revolvers everyday. 😄
My experience with Taurus revolvers is that the fit and finish (unless we're talking those new "Executive Grade" ones) won't be the greatest, but they work and are affordably priced. In today's market, I'm priced out of S&W revolvers, so Taurus is my only realistic option. But I like the Taurus revolvers I have, they're perfectly functional, so I'm fine with buying from Taurus.
Hi Kev - I had a few hiccups with mine early on, but that sorted itself out and truthfully it had more to with rough handling the gun when I was changing grips. Because of the concealability and convenience of that Mica pocket holster it has become my main carry.
Only packing one gun and putting my life on it I would rather spend the extra money and carry a Ruger lcr, or a S&W. I will carry 1 or two pew pews. Normally is HK USP compact 9mm but I Bought to carry a HellCat pro, and then appendix I’ll carry a CSX S&W or I will carry a S&w j frame, 649, 640, or 638. But I agree train and carry with one gun. I try to carry my main gun 24/7 and then for the backup (when I feel like it I try to carry a j frame or something else I like, it’s more just bc I have too many favorites and this way I train and carry same gun but also get to give other guns attention so they don’t get too jealous.
@@3Pillers He fought hard for his position in the gun community. Sometimes you liked him, sometimes you disliked him, but he was an original. May he rest in peace.
Hi Greg Great video, as always. Those Taurus grips ARE a nightmare to change. Yet their wood grips are much easier to do. Weird, huh? Sweet little grand daughter there. I have the privilege of being Bapa to my 3 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren. It is flat out awesome! Say, if you no longer want those wood grips...
Greg I think that this reply to my previous comment is a scam. Let me know if it is or not. I haven't heard you mention anything about a contest. Thanks
Hi Greg, I recently bought a Taurus 856ch stainless steel as a christmas gift for myself. I have not shot it yet. Upon closer inspection after taking delivery of the gun, I noticed the cylinder latch is not flush or touching the side plate. There is a gap (1mm) between the latch and the side of the gun. The screw is tight in relation to the latch, but the latch has a springy movement if depressed to open the cylinder. I went back to the store to look at their other 856s and has the same issue. Since you are an experienced Taurus owner, I would like to get your opinion on this. Thanks in advance and looking forward to see more of your videos.
That is how they are made. I wouldn't worry about it unless you notice the screw backing out like I've had with two of my modern S&W revolvers. Blue loctite can take care of that. Another screw to watch on the Taurus revolvers is the yoke assembly screw on the right side.
Another enjoyable video & great shooting, Greg... nice to know I'm not the only guy with a loose screw, LOL... Lightweight revolvers take a pounding with hot loads, but even the vibration from dry firing with snap caps can cause a screw to back out, so blue Loctite is our friend..just like you, I had to get a side plate screw from eBay for a S&W Mod 642 to replace the one that mysteriously disappeared during dry fire practice 😉...& I've seen lots of loose cylinder release screws. You remind me of the old adage beware of the man with only one gun...he probably knows how to use it very very well. Despite the myth, revolvers are actually more complicated than semi autos, so while Taurus semi's are reliable finding a reliable revolver of their's is a matter of sheer luck & I totally agree with your observations on Taurus's VERY spotty Q.C. which is why I finelly swore them off for good & just pay the money for a better made S&W or a Ruger.. FYI, I recently obtained a rare 2 inch Mod 15 pinned barrel from my favorite hunting grounds...a pawnshop...I have only bought one brand new handgun in the last 4-5 years...everything else has been used... Thanks for the great videos, Brother & keep em coming please...God bless
Tauras does make some good revolvers and I’ve also had some problems with their revolvers but for the most they are decent reliable guns But in saying that there’s nothing like a good old Smith & Wesson. But then again we can have problems out on anything unexpected thing does happen enjoy the video my friend👍
Beautiful little angel 😇. I love my little granddaughter so much . I carry a S&W 642 when I'm off duty , I think I might pick up a Ruger for a 2nd pocket rocket 🚀
Hi Greg. Glad to see the Taurus CH is up and running. I love revolvers and really enjoy your videos. By the way, do you have an opinion on the Charter Arms Undercover 38?
Thanks, I've been waiting to catch one at one of the FFL's I frequent. They don't appear around here too often. I had one back in the eighties I replaced with a Chief Special. I'd like to try another thirty something years later.
@@LionquestFitness Greg. Gallery of Guns / Davidson web site shows Charter Arms Revolvers in stock. I am going to see if my preferred gun store / FFL, can get one. Just an FYI. By the way, I live in SC too.
@@michaelmccabe4725 Home sweet home. I have a strong affinity for the foothills of the upstate. Let me know how the Charter revolver works out. I passed one up at a local FFL's about three years ago. It was an all steel five shot revolver in a matte black finish. I regret not picking it up then.
I prefer the 605, but concealed hammer works better for pocket carry. Although I've certainly pocket carried the 605 enough this past five or six years.
Here recently I've been carrying Georgia Arms 125 grain XTP plus P. In the past I've carried Remington 125 grain semi-jacketed hollow points. Also Plus P.
Juliette is adorable Sir, I am happy that your missing parts "showed up", especially not embedded in your wife's foot. I would have thought that utilizing elevated blocking would protect the cylinder and internals from damage, removal of the stocks roll pin is so rudimentary......
Well, I've also considered that the grips I was using (traditional square) and the way I was holding the grips (edge of square between pinky and next finger) may have put a different strain (finger lower on the trigger) on the pull that may have crimped that plunger spring. Once I changed the grips I was doing a lot of dryfiring to adjust to that unorthodox hold. Regardless, when I took the cylinder out and examined the plunger and spring everything was as it should be other than some grease and dirt I cleaned.
Fiddly guns are vexing. That’s what so many people fall into love/hate relationships with various companies. While sometimes weak finances force you to get a sub par gun, it’s always best to get as good as you can get and upgrade when you can. Often a good used gun from a good company is better than a new one from a mediocre company. And if you can afford quality, then buy once, cry once.
Yes, hammerless snubbies are #1 when it comes to conceal carry and yet there are gun talkers making videos showing their expertise in showing snubbies with hammers for conceal carry. A hammer will snag on you in the heat of a surprise attack, eliminate every disadvantage with the gun your gonna carry since autos malfunction more often than revolvers. In reality if you can`t stop the threat with 5 rounds you best run.
Yep, good points.
You could own a $3000 custom 1911 and someone online would find something negative to say about it. Taurus makes great revolvers, yes occasionally a bad one will slip past QC, but that happens with every gun company.
Definitely agree.
And hasn't happened, as much, in quite some time. They've really stepped up their game.
People tend to forget that Glock had a run of negligent discharges and Sig p320 came out NOT drop safe, and I seem to remember this p365 having some striker drag issues....
Just saying folks.
@@AOMartialArts Like I related elsewhere in the comments, I recently looked at a Colt King Cobra the FFL couldn't open the cylinder on. Inside the frame the milling was rough and jagged. I told him he needed to send it back. That was on a $859 firearm.
@@LionquestFitness I bought a Taurus 856 with a 2" barrel. I love it. I left it cocked for a week, now it doesn't need a spring kit. I also added a couple drops of motor oil to it. It's smooth with a light hammer spring now. It performs flawless. I know Taurus gets a bad rap and I'm quite surprised that they're still in business. They released a 24/7 gun that if you just shook it in your hand it would fire. That's one of the most dangerous guns that was ever made. Yet, because they sold so many of those cheaply made rough riders, they managed to stay a float. Their quality was much better in the 90's. Their finishes look horrible compared to those made in the 90's. But for the money, their guns are well made today. even their G2c and G3c's are spectacular for their price ranges. I feel quite happy to own mine. I'd recommend Taurus to anyone on a tight budget. Great video..I had to subscribe. you also have a lovely looking granddaughter. I'm sure that she has her pawpaw wrapped around her pretty little finger. hahaha...Peace..Joe
@@thebluesrockers Hey Joe - she's also a lefty too!
Yep on the 856CH !
Its a nice looking gun for sure, I own and shot a lot of Taurus, revolvers and semi auto and never had a single issue with any of them, and with its price you cant go wrong. Thanks for sharing
Greg, another great video. Showing examples of problems you’ve had with both brands help keep things in perspective.
Thank you Michael!
Greg, good points. I too commit to a gun. If it is my carry gun, I wear it all the time. I keep it clean and ready. You are right about cylinder latch botton screws. Yes, blue lock tite works well. Any revolver can have one do that, regardless of brand.
Hi Mike - good points. I've some other issues fixed with loctite with both S&W and Taurus Revolvers. One that seems to shake loose sometimes on Taurus revolvers is the cylinder screw on the side plate.
That just shows us that any gun can break at anytime! Great video!
I've had the cylinder release buttons come off on all my S&W revolvers so I did the same thing u did and put blue loctite on them and problem solved. I always check my screws on all my revolvers after I shoot them. Thanks for sharing.
I took my Taurus 856 steel snubnose to the range today and fired 50 38 special dirty powerful Tula ammo and it worked perfectly. For me it is the perfect weight. Not too light, not too heavy. I like that it has 6 shots too.
It's the closest thing to a Colt Detective Special gen 4, or a Model 10 snub as you can get today.
Greg, glad to hear the 856 is running well. I bought a Taurus 605 awhile back (based on your recommendation) and it's been just fine. Seems to shoot pretty close to point of aim with any .38 special +p ammo I have tried and spot on with some old Federal .38 Special +p+ 147 grain JHP Hydra-Shok I have left over from the 1990s.
I'm getting the bug for an 856 airweight because, well, it's an airweight! But if my wife complains I plan on blaming you. LOL!
I will check the latch release screw on my old S&W 640 (which now mostly sits in my gun safe) because now you got me thinking. Thanks for giving us something to look forward to.
Hey John, I have an Airweight S&W in .38 cal. (Mod. 39?) and it isn't a fun gun to shoot; it somehow hits my knuckles funny. Maybe a T-Grip would help, but I don't practice with it much as a result. Keep this in mind if you buy the 856. Oh, I usually bring my 686+ with the 3-inch barrel when I go to the farm at night. Problem solved! Good luck. --Old Guy
Well, I used to blame Sootch00 for many of the guns I bought! 😁 I guess I can take the fall on occasion.
@@Ed-ig7fj I suspect you have a model 49 (commonly called the humpback) with a shrouded hammer but can still be cocked? The S&W model 39 was a single stack 9mm, a fine little gun. The S&W J-frames, especially the airwrights, will knock your finger if you don't grip them really hard. I have always had to put larger grips on mine because I have big hands and long fingers. Pachmeyr diamond grips (Edit: Diamond Pro Grips) make J-frames a whole lot more useful, to me anyway, but will make them harder for some people to conceal. I have big pockets and it's a non-issue for me. BTW, if you have a model 49 that you don't like to shoot and you are in or near South Carolina, I might be willing to take her off your hands. LOL! They really are great little guns.
Thanks Greg……I’m pretty much a S&W revolver guy but I also have a couple of rugers ,0ne RIA in 38 special and a charter arms off duty 38 special that I have had for over 30 years and never had a problem with. I love my smiths and rugers but my inexpensive RIA and charter arms have been really reliable and have never failed me. Keep up the good work brother 👍👍
I believe Gun Sam had a problem w that spring not strong enough on 856 defender and it not rotating 100%....that's worrisome. But even New Smith Revos seem not like old Smith Revos in handling them as per QC or trigger etc. It was Killaries Nasty Hole the screw and release were trying to escape near there understandably.
Seems it turned out all right after installing the grips. I feel much better about Taurus after watching your videos on their performance.
Thanks Santee!
My S & W 10-5 is still at the gunsmith with the lockup issue. Dang backlog! We need more trained gunsmiths in this country. Happy to say all my Taurus revolvers have never needed repair.
Glad you figured out the issue without spendin' an arm and a leg for shippin' to Georgia. I'd take it to a local smith for a spring kit installation and get it back to stock: with wood grips as well.
Same gun, same place, all the time. I forget who said that but it sounds like good advice to me. I can see you follow the same philosophy. Yet another great video sir.
I've heard it from many folks Max, but the story that impressed me the most was the medic from the first Gulf War who trained with his Beretta, ate with his Beretta, slept with his Beretta and kept it at hand morning, noon and night.
@@LionquestFitness Smart man.
I too have a Taurus 856 ultra light spurless hammer snubby. Had it 3 years now. I have that and a Taurus 856 Defender stainless steel 3"barrel. Carry both cross draw.
What kind of holster do you use?
With that pin installed, grip changing is a challenge. I won some custom grips on an auction, nice looking rosewood. Thought about using a C Clamp and small bit to push out the pin vs drive it out. If you pad a vise, dont want to damage the exact parts you discussed.
That is not a bad idea.
I’ve never owned a Taurus but I have had frame screws come lose on my S&W revolvers following a range trip. This is especially true on the light weight guns, which is all I carry. Good video Greg, keep ‘em coming.
Thank you my friend.
Thank you for bringing that out about Taurus not being the only one letting lemons leave the factory, as most manufacturers are having quality control issues today.
I looked at a Colt King Cobra recently that you couldn't open the cylinder up the fit inside the frame was so rough and jagged.
@@LionquestFitness And Colt wants close to $1000 for those. Never mind, I'll stick with Taurus and Charter Arms. 😁
What a lovely grandchild! Thanks again for a great video. I was looking at an 856 today but the gun shop was too busy with the big weekend; I couldn't see it out of the case. Maybe next week! --Old Guy
Thanks Ed. She looks much like my late mother.
I just had a Taurus 942 .22 since new. Only fired it maybe 100 rounds blew up in my hands years ago. Never sent it in till now. They are giving me a new gun. Will see what they give me, but hats off if they send me a new gun 20 years old.
Let me know how they do.
I sure hate having a screw loose.
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For over 23 years I owned, trained and qualified expert with Taurus "85s" out to 50 yards because my department required the same qualification standards with backups as it did with our service weapons. The last one I carried on AND off duty was a stainless steel 85CH loaded with 125grn Federal H-S +Ps. Upon my retirement I allowed myself to be talked into selling that revolver to a young officer who was about to embark on a long-term undercover assignment. As far as I know it is still in service with that officer who has since returned to uniform duty. I miss my old 85CH so much I am torn between using a late model S&W "Bodyguard" that both The Lovely Bride and I despise for either a new 856CH or a strictly GI 1911A1 in .45ACP.
Tough choices. A Taurus 856CH will run about $350. If you don't like it you can do a consignment sale for thirty dollars less and it will sell quick. Taurus can be hit or miss, but their snubs are usually decent.
@@LionquestFitness I must be the luckiest guy on the planet as I have owned several medium and small frame Taurus revolvers over the last few decades, and they all preformed far and away better than I had any right to expect them too. Only medium frame Ruger revolvers preformed at a higher level.
I had good luck with a couple Taurus firearms especially revolvers. 20 years ago I had a model 82. It was nearly perfect especially for a $185 gun. Very good advice about being the man with one gun with a spare, if you can
I have been carrying my 856 UL for well over a year now. Just recently we went out offroading and crossed a river. My snubby and spare ammo were under water for some time due to us getting stuck. After firing some rounds hours later 1 round seemed to have a light primer strike. Can't say if it was the gun or the ammo but kept shooting it until it shot that round again. Once I got home it got a good cleaning and a fresh batch of ammo. One thing I will say, the ammo I had in it was in there since I bough the gun. So yes it was time to get fresh ammo. I also used it with a snake shot round for a rattler we ate and I noticed it's better to only use 1 round of snakeshot at a time because having 2 can jam the cylinder.
I notice those aluminum cased snakeshot do tend to stick. I love the rattler story!
Thanks for another fine video 👍😎
I have several Taurus snubbies and S&W and a Rossi(wife adopted it). Never a problem..an older 4" Taurus lost it's rear sight blade..have yet to find a replacement. And my 1976 Ruger Security-six. Is my powerhouse..
Have a nice weekend, Greg.
Thank you Erol.
I love my 856 and after a few thousand rounds it is smooth as silk and very accurate. Great firearm and my EDC. Great video
Even though I love my S&W snubs I tend to gravitate back to the Taurus snubs I own because I'm more accurate with them.
Never shot a rapscallion before. I have shot a couple of ragamuffins though!!! Just picked one up at my local pawn shop for a song!!! Great video bro!!! 😁👍❤️
Took my 94 vintage Colt Detective Special to a well thought of gunsmith some time ago & had him check the internals for any necessary lube/TLC. Had fired it before but never had the side plates off. Took it to the range when I got it back. On the first trigger pull/press nothing happened. The hammer didn't come back & the cylinder didn't turn. Put it up & finished the range time with one of the Glocks.....Took it right back to him. The only thing wrong with it was that one of the side-plate screws under the cylinder hadn't been tightened enough. Ya just never know.
You go back a little further than I do, but I remember a time when L.E. not only carried revolvers but police range instructors doubled as certified gun smiths.
Awesome video just purchased mine today. Keep up the good work
@@jerrymitchell1343 I recently purchased another 856 CH. I'd sold the one in the video to buy another gun, but got to missing the one I had.
@LionquestFitness lol I completely understand that. I also still have the m206. I was wondering what you thought about the new Roscoe revolver?
I just got a Taurus 856 Ultra Lite Black. Put a Houge grip on it. I like it, haven't fired it yet and I hope I never have to use it. Taurus has really come a long way with their quality control in recent years.
Yes and no. After Covid, like most manufacturers, QC got shoddy for a time. I think they are starting to get past that. It wouldn't be a bad idea to spend some range time, and shooting different defensive ammo to see what works best for you and your firearm.
Great video! Looking to get a 642 myself soon and this is helpful info, will be sure to Loctite that screw. Also couldn't agree more with getting intimate with one gun, if you treat it right it will treat you right
another good video with good shooting, too. one of my best friends trashes taurus, but i have had two 85's, a 605 and a millenium g2 and none has ever given me a problem. i may just be lucky. i would like to have an 856 and i wish they would do what they did with the 85 ang come out with a six shot 805 with a 3-4 inch barrel.
I think, and I may be wrong, but the problem with a six round .357 with a small frame revolver has to do with the steel being able to handle the internal pressure. Either the cylinder would have to be much larger or they would have to use a higher grade of steel.
Saying from the wild west days: "BEWARE THE MAN WHO ONLY OWNS ONE GUN" as he will be an expert in it's use. Like your channel SUBSCRIBER. Have the 856 3" Ultralite black over alloy in my EDC rotation. Very long time shooter, efficinado, collector. Great gun
You are a little more astute than most with your maintenance and checking functionality than many others. I recall the days of the old Federal Treasury load (+P+), and yoke screws loosing at qualification and practice on the 4" 65's. Your locktite cure is onebIve used on the same screw down through the years.
Good Video, Greg. I’m very comfortable taking my S&W revolvers apart when new, and then reassembling them with loctite. 👍👍👍👍
Loc-tite can be a cure all along with duct tape & WD-40,,lol.A few weeks ago I lost a recoil spring plug out of a 1911 when I was putting it back together.I ended up having to order another one from Ebay.I still haven't been able to find that first one yet.
I feel your misery!
I have the 856 Defender 3"barrel I brought it four weeks ago Man it is sweet glow front sites sweet 👍🏿
We all have our lists of “if only” lol. Well, if only the 640 held six rounds!
I have to say Greg between that cylinder release issue and in one of your recent videos you were explaining how the sites needed adjustment on your S&W 640.
I mean for the price they charge for that gun it should be a lot better than it is straight off the production line.
Thanks Greg! I know I've mentioned it before, but the brand I've had the most quality issues with ( brand new guns) is Smith and Wesson. I love em, but I've sent 3 new guns back to SW for repair right out of the box... and all for mechanical problems, not cosmetic ones. They all run great now, but expensive doesn't mean issue-free. That being said, I've purchased just as many new Rugers, have yet to send one of those back 🙂
And Ruger's customer service is supposed to be some of the best. S&W? It's mixed.
I have the same pistol GREG. I put a Wilson spring kit in it, and also polished some of the internals. That made it a really great shooter! Yeah, it’s amazing what you can find when you walk around in your bare feet!
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Another great video Greg. It is great to see people sharing their thoughts and experience. Looking forward to the next video.
It's not all about me. Forums are passe this date and time. The comments sections gives people chance to share other insights and experiences.
@@LionquestFitness I enjoy reading them to mate. Other peoples oppinions are valuable 😀
I took apart my charter arms revolver to polish it and I almost lost some parts too.
Thank you very much for this very interesting video, as usual. Where I live, it's difficult to find recent Taurus revolvers (the local importer does a poor job). But we have other brands of "more affordable" revolvers (especially Weirauch (german) and Alpha Proj (czech)).
Ah - the Windicator. I haven't got one yet, but intend to. Alpha Proj also looks interesting.
Thanks for sharing 🇺🇸
Boa noite aqui do Brasil, pelo seu vídeo anterior,imaginei que era esse problema da mola presa,parabéns pelo trabalho maravilhoso,do seu fã brasileiro 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
uma version do 605 com 6 cartouchos? nao posso falar o portugues.
@@fbweaver63 exatamente.
@@fbweaver63 apesar que aqui no Brasil não existem alguns modelos como esse da taurus USA,nossa burocracia acaba deixando os brasileiros sem algumas ótimas opções de revólver. Espero ter conseguido responder você.
@@marciocumpiancumpian2075 A Taurus não fez um 606 alguns anos atrás?
@@LionquestFitness alguns modelos que existem nos EUA, não tem aqui,🤦♂️. Também ocorre com algumas pistolas . Aqui acredito que atualmente só o 605 em 357, 82s em 38, e tem um modelo em 3",no calibre 38 que não recordo a referencia dele. E há vários modelos em polegadas de cano maiores ,além dos calibres que aqui no Brasil só começam a serem liberados a poucos anos,357,9mm,.40,44, etc. Somente agora o governo liberou o 10mm. Estamos muito atrasados, mesmo com nossa própria indústria,muitos anos de governo desarmamentista. Hj com nosso presidente Jair Messias Bolsonaro, que retornamos a armar nosso povo.
Great sharing about everyday life type of events....glad to see your 856 CH is working fine again and all worked out for you Greg! Thanks.
Hi Robert! Thanks.
My Taurus 856 is a great revolver! It's a really a great shooter!
Good to hear that. In general I like Taurus.
I like Taurus revolvers. I have a few of them. The only time I had a problem is when I started to tinker with one. I am a licensed security officer in Florida. I shoot 2 calibers for the state qualification. I always do my revolver test with my Taurus.
I believe my tinkering had a lot to do with that spring compressing.
@@LionquestFitness In my case I changed both the hammer and return springs. They were too weak so I started to have light primer strikes especially with Winchester ammo. I had to change them back. Thank you for your videos. Please keep it going.
Thanks Juan.
I agree with what you say about sticking with one gun. I like guns, I have a few but I have decided to concentrate on one particular gun for carry, to get proficient with that gun and let that be my "go to". I'm going to keep my other firearms but they will be shot just for the fun of it. You always offer good solid, sensible advice.
Thanks - and that brings up a good point. I enjoy guns and like collecting guns, but for carry and self defense it pays to excel with one gun.
Mines worked well so far and I’ve fed it mostly plus P , but it’s the time of year I start carrying my Ruger GP100
I've been hankering to carry my Model 64 or my Model 10 when it gets a bit cooler.
@@LionquestFitness I’d love a good model 64 , I’ve seen your model 64 on your channel it’s a beauty
Thank you Greg, for your honesty & insightful gun tid bits. Stuff happens, I hear criticism of semi autos, ohhh revolvers are sooo much more reliable! Stuff happens & hopefully it won't in a crisis. Stay Safe Brother 👍
Thanks Karl - and yes, each have their reliability issues, most which can be traced to maintenance or lack thereof.
Generally speaking, I have had good luck with Taurus firearms. There has only been one of them that I wasn't happy with but after sending it back to Taurus USA it came back fixed and with the limited testing I had done afterwards the problems (yes plural) were gone. True, S&W firearms are nicer and hopefully of better quality (and that's debatable) they cost two to three times more than a Taurus firearm does. So if I have to lose a weapon to police custody as evidence I would rather it be a Taurus.
Exactly!
When you said "broken rhythm", I heard "broken rib". I assumed you had done too many Starsky & Hutch rolls. As for pocket carry, I've got my eye on the 640 Pro PC. I hope to add some classic checkered grips, and a t-grip.
Sounds like a good plan!
Good to see the 856 is back in action. Great shooting as always. I feel like I might even have a back-up to my back-up 😀. Not exactly sticking with one gun but using the tool appropriate for the situation. Excellent video Greg and Juliette is a beauty!
Juliette's mother and Mimi appreciate that!
One other thing. Juliette is also left handed, so when I pass this veil she'll get all those beautiful Marc Thomas holsters I own and the guns that go in them.
@@LionquestFitness That made my heart swell and my eyes fill with happiness.
One of the good guys. I enjoy your videos and spirit.
Thanks.
That’s a slick shootin gun there
Boy howdy great shooting awsome vidio and ended with some laughing thank you sir have a great holiday weekend you and the family
Glad you got a laugh Les - firearms talk shouldn't always be dour and grim. You have a great weekend!
I dropped the screw that held my yoke in place down a drain. I gotcha
Ouch!
Greg, thanks for another enjoyable video.
Thanks Don.
If I'm remembering the construction correctly, it sounds like something might have been rubbing the spring within the grips with the aftermarket grips.
Possible.
@@LionquestFitness I vaguely remember something like that happening to me, I believe with a Ruger. I believe I removed material from the inside of the grip and it worked fine.
If Taurus would drill the grip retention roll pin hole to the proper size for the roll pin used, you probably would not have seen this temporarily malfunction. Driving this roll pin out of the 856 the first time in never fun. I reamed this hole out on my three Taurus revolvers.
Not a bad idea. A solid metal roll pin would be an improvement as well. I'm sure it is designed tight to keep the rubber grip in position and the rolled sheet metal roll pin as well to keep manufacturing costs down.
Love my 856! I took your suggestion you sent me about the blue lock tight for my 642 cylinder release. I’m still so paranoid I check the release on my revolvers everyday. 😄
That's not a bad thing. Sorta like doing a preflight on an airplane.
@@la_old_salt2241 True! A fellow pilot?
@@tomcarr4630 Yep, not current anymore, health issues now. But my A&P is current as a technical writer.
My experience with Taurus revolvers is that the fit and finish (unless we're talking those new "Executive Grade" ones) won't be the greatest, but they work and are affordably priced. In today's market, I'm priced out of S&W revolvers, so Taurus is my only realistic option. But I like the Taurus revolvers I have, they're perfectly functional, so I'm fine with buying from Taurus.
Nice video Greg. This is the one I’m considering. 👍🏻
Hi Kev - I had a few hiccups with mine early on, but that sorted itself out and truthfully it had more to with rough handling the gun when I was changing grips. Because of the concealability and convenience of that Mica pocket holster it has become my main carry.
Only packing one gun and putting my life on it I would rather spend the extra money and carry a Ruger lcr, or a S&W. I will carry 1 or two pew pews. Normally is HK USP compact 9mm but I Bought to carry a HellCat pro, and then appendix I’ll carry a CSX S&W or I will carry a S&w j frame, 649, 640, or 638. But I agree train and carry with one gun. I try to carry my main gun 24/7 and then for the backup (when I feel like it I try to carry a j frame or something else I like, it’s more just bc I have too many favorites and this way I train and carry same gun but also get to give other guns attention so they don’t get too jealous.
good job great video thanks
Train train train 👍. Nice shooting GB.
Thanks my friend. I figured you'd get the "broken rhythm" reference by Bruce Lee. I based that scenario on one of Lance Thomas's chaotic gunfights.
@@LionquestFitness Your responsibility to be ready for the fight, never ends. - James Yager
He passed away today.
James Yeager
@@3Pillers He fought hard for his position in the gun community. Sometimes you liked him, sometimes you disliked him, but he was an original. May he rest in peace.
Hi Greg Great video, as always. Those Taurus grips ARE a nightmare to change. Yet their wood grips are much easier to do. Weird, huh?
Sweet little grand daughter there. I have the privilege of being Bapa to my 3 grandchildren and 2 great grandchildren. It is flat out awesome!
Say, if you no longer want those wood grips...
From one Papa to another - I'd never trade that honor for anything in the world. There is nothing better than being a grandparent.
@@LionquestFitness Except being a Great grandparent. 😉
Because of your website, I now carry the 856 in summer. Thank you for introducing me to this gun. Edit:your granddaughter is a future Miss America 👍
Thanks Steve!
I may have missed it, do you have a trigger poundage or approximate?
No I don't. I'd guestimate about nine pounds. Typical Taurus trigger - smooth graduated pull, hit a wall and then break.
I've got one of those!! It's great. Shoots great.
Greg I think that this reply to my previous comment is a scam. Let me know if it is or not. I haven't heard you mention anything about a contest. Thanks
Hi Greg, I recently bought a Taurus 856ch stainless steel as a christmas gift for myself. I have not shot it yet. Upon closer inspection after taking delivery of the gun, I noticed the cylinder latch is not flush or touching the side plate. There is a gap (1mm) between the latch and the side of the gun. The screw is tight in relation to the latch, but the latch has a springy movement if depressed to open the cylinder. I went back to the store to look at their other 856s and has the same issue. Since you are an experienced Taurus owner, I would like to get your opinion on this. Thanks in advance and looking forward to see more of your videos.
That is how they are made. I wouldn't worry about it unless you notice the screw backing out like I've had with two of my modern S&W revolvers. Blue loctite can take care of that. Another screw to watch on the Taurus revolvers is the yoke assembly screw on the right side.
Thanks for the quick response. Much appreciated.
Another enjoyable video & great shooting, Greg... nice to know I'm not the only guy with a loose screw, LOL...
Lightweight revolvers take a pounding with hot loads, but even the vibration from dry firing with snap caps can cause a screw to back out, so blue Loctite is our friend..just like you, I had to get a side plate screw from eBay for a S&W Mod 642 to replace the one that mysteriously disappeared during dry fire practice 😉...& I've seen lots of loose cylinder release screws.
You remind me of the old adage beware of the man with only one gun...he probably knows how to use it very very well.
Despite the myth, revolvers are actually more complicated than semi autos, so while Taurus semi's are reliable finding a reliable revolver of their's is a matter of sheer luck & I totally agree with your observations on Taurus's VERY spotty Q.C. which is why I finelly swore them off for good & just pay the money for a better made S&W or a Ruger..
FYI, I recently obtained a rare 2 inch Mod 15 pinned barrel from my favorite hunting grounds...a pawnshop...I have only bought one brand new handgun in the last 4-5 years...everything else has been used...
Thanks for the great videos, Brother & keep em coming please...God bless
Thanks Jeff for your insightful comments. Good find on that 2 inch Model 15. I've yet to come across one.
@@LionquestFitness my old eyes pick up the higher front sight on the Mod 15 much easier than the smaller Mod 10 sights...
I like Taurus revolver
Tauras does make some good revolvers and I’ve also had some problems with their revolvers but for the most they are decent reliable guns But in saying that there’s nothing like a good old Smith & Wesson. But then again we can have problems out on anything unexpected thing does happen enjoy the video my friend👍
Thanks Al! Have a nice day!
Haha Granddaughter thought she had a new toy O well, glad it all worked out in the end
Hey, she's a lefty like me and she enjoys watching shooting videos with me. I can't wait to get her started on her mother's Heritage .22.
Beautiful little angel 😇.
I love my little granddaughter so much .
I carry a S&W 642 when I'm off duty , I think I might pick up a Ruger for a 2nd pocket rocket 🚀
Thanks - she a sweet natured little girl.
Good video sir 👍
Hi Greg. Glad to see the Taurus CH is up and running. I love revolvers and really enjoy your videos. By the way, do you have an opinion on the Charter Arms Undercover 38?
Thanks, I've been waiting to catch one at one of the FFL's I frequent. They don't appear around here too often. I had one back in the eighties I replaced with a Chief Special. I'd like to try another thirty something years later.
@@LionquestFitness Greg. Gallery of Guns / Davidson web site shows Charter Arms Revolvers in stock. I am going to see if my preferred gun store / FFL, can get one. Just an FYI. By the way, I live in SC too.
@@michaelmccabe4725 Home sweet home. I have a strong affinity for the foothills of the upstate. Let me know how the Charter revolver works out. I passed one up at a local FFL's about three years ago. It was an all steel five shot revolver in a matte black finish. I regret not picking it up then.
Now which you choosing?
Taurus 856 or Taurus 605?
I prefer the 605, but concealed hammer works better for pocket carry. Although I've certainly pocket carried the 605 enough this past five or six years.
WHAT AMMO WOULD YOU USE FOR SELF DEFENSE IN THE 856 AND IS IT +P RATED
Here recently I've been carrying Georgia Arms 125 grain XTP plus P. In the past I've carried Remington 125 grain semi-jacketed hollow points. Also Plus P.
Beautiful grand daughter, Greg!
Thanks Ricky!
Juliette is adorable Sir, I am happy that your missing parts "showed up", especially not embedded in your wife's foot. I would have thought that utilizing elevated blocking would protect the cylinder and internals from damage, removal of the stocks roll pin is so rudimentary......
Well, I've also considered that the grips I was using (traditional square) and the way I was holding the grips (edge of square between pinky and next finger) may have put a different strain (finger lower on the trigger) on the pull that may have crimped that plunger spring. Once I changed the grips I was doing a lot of dryfiring to adjust to that unorthodox hold. Regardless, when I took the cylinder out and examined the plunger and spring everything was as it should be other than some grease and dirt I cleaned.
I actually like having the hammer even if I conceal it!!!!😁
Fiddly guns are vexing. That’s what so many people fall into love/hate relationships with various companies. While sometimes weak finances force you to get a sub par gun, it’s always best to get as good as you can get and upgrade when you can. Often a good used gun from a good company is better than a new one from a mediocre company. And if you can afford quality, then buy once, cry once.
Good advice.
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