Those guys who do the spraying whatever they get paid it's not enough, the nitro finish is the business, watching the burst appearing as if by magic just gives me a deeper appreciation for my two (LP & 335) I tip my hat to the lads in Gibson 👍🇮🇪
The "yellow transparent shader" is the color of my LP! They made a boo-boo and mine was supposed to be a Heritage Cherry Sunburst (that's on the shipping label and scratched out by the factory under the neck cavity). Either my guitar was missed at this step accidentally or on purpose, but it is the only 50's Standard in base coat yellow!
That Burst looks like a Giant Light Bulb ! Man did it get Bright when that clear coat went on !! Love that this Video is Expanded on from " Gibson Factory Tours Ep00 "
This is SO cool! The entire process of guitar manufacture is fascinating to me, but the finish is, aesthetically, one of the most significant aspects of what makes a particular guitar unique. Great video!
I just got my les Paul standard yesterday, phenomenal guitar, build quality, action and playability are excellent! Thank you to all the people at Gibson !
@@eddiejr540 Looks like he used a darkburst with double white dimarzios.........mine will be a tobacco sunburst 335 VOS.......a couple of months away yet......this covid thing is holding everything up a bit for sure. All the best
Good grief, do you not wear respirators in the USA? Spraying nitro cellulose with just a basic face mask! I hope those sprayers get good health insurance, they're going to need it.
And those facemasks are probably just for covid. My guess would be that their exhaust and ventilation meets OSHA standards so that they aren't required to wear a respirator. You can tell they had lots of fans running in that place as it was quite loud.
I agree. Long term those painters are going to die a painful cancerous death. My friend painted cars and when he dies he was a shell of skin and bones. Not to mention, they are not wearing gloves either. I used to paint with oil based and you need solvents to clean it off. Either way they will end up sick.
they had a pretty good exhaust system in place, so chances are the painter doesn't even smell it, that said, Health ins? in the US? Never heard of him.
There is a huge amount of negative pressure that you can see in that back wall. That's why the other guitars don't get overspray hanging next to the one being worked on. This question has been asked on other walk thrus by other channels.
I love the look and the sound of these guitars but i have seen so many people posting photos of their les Paul finish cracking or checking so i don't think i am ready for that.
back in January when I first got my LP, the nitro smell was so amazing and even today it smells a little bit. Every single day I open the case, the smell comes in. jejeje. It´s funny to see these workers don´t use an uniform. They use their own clothe. Factories in china or suramerica use uniform for their workers and few of them use appropiate equipment to work. I hope they don´t get sick because of the chemicals.
lol. Quite the achievement? I never knew it was an achievement for an Electrical company called Gibson who made crap refrigerators and electronics since the 50's. Made an achievement in painting electrical guitars like English furniture. When it adds zero quality to the sound. And is a real pain to play in humid weather. Not to mention. They are painted like a grandmas English furniture. So the paint is easily sustainable to chipping and all that junk.
@@eaglewarrior8707 Gibson guitars is not the company that made refrigerators. Gibson Appliance was founded by Joshua Hall in Belding, Michigan, in 1877 as the Belding-Hall Company selling cabinets that housed blocks of ice (ice-boxes). It was purchased by Frank Gibson, a competing manufacturer of "ice refrigerators" in the early 1900s. It was the largest in its industry at the time. In 1931, the company began making electric refrigerators. The Gibson Mandolin-Guitar Mfg. Co. Ltd.was started by five Kalamazoo businessmen in 1902. Two totally different companies.
There are huge vents on both sides as well as on the top and back that sucks out all the fumes, otherwise they would all suffocate or run out coughing including the visitors.
It’s a spray booth. The overspray is being sucked out via large fans behind that filter on the wall. However having sprayed lacquer many times, he should be wearing a respirator.
The two Gs ... best guitars Ive ever owned! Gibson and Guild... LOVE them both! :) Even in their off years, they were still some of the best guitars ever made
Idk I'd that's just me, but I can only appreciate femder relic guitars. A les paul when the finish starts to crack and rub off doesn't look as appealing
Two things bothered me in this: wood filler in the imperfections and pores? That is not something I would have thought was done in a high end guitar. The other thing was the contradiction when he said they only spray a very minimal, thin coat on, but then when he got to the clear coat area he said they put on a minimum of 5 coats. Kind of defeats the purpose of trying to just do a thin finish in my opinion.
John Foskey Yeah. I was an auto-body repairman in the 90s. Different beast though. You want more coats on a car. On a guitar I like to be able to still see and feel the pores and grain of the wood like on a good piece of wood furniture. Not into the thick gloss look.
A mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter. The term "mil" is not an abbreviation but instead its own unit of measure. 1 mil equals 0.0254 mm 10 mil equals 0.254 mm. 10 mils is about 1/64th of an inch.
@@indieguy81 it’s a thing guitarist keep saying as some benefit of using nitro lacquer. So lots of people believe it. These same people think polyester finishes change the tone of a solid body. The only thing that happens with nitro is moisture exchanges in and out of the wood.
A mil is a measurement that equals one-thousandth of an inch, or 0.001 inch. One mil also equals 0.0254 mm (millimeter). Thus a mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter. Thanks for watching!
Nitrocellulose is an absolutely HORRIBLE outdated finish that yellows badly in a relatively short amount of time (think: yellowed bindings, yellowed headstock logo), is very soft, and is prone to cracking after it _finally_ cures completely. Polyester is a much better MODERN finish that is very hard, remains clear over time, and can be instantly cured using UV. I suspect the _real_ reason Gibson hesitates to get on board with the modern age of finishing has more to do with the cost of changing over than anything else. That lame "resonates" excuse offered up by them and others is just that - a lame excuse. For the one-off individual luthier, polyester is not a viable option - it's too difficult to work with in a non-industrial setting (i.e., without the equipment to properly apply and cure it, such as Taylor does). For them, two-part urethanes (automotive clear coats) are the way to go to top coat under other finishes (stains, etc.), or as a solo finish. Those two-part urethanes do a perfectly fine job of allowing resonance when THINLY applied (especially with acoustics) - as is the case with any finish. But STAY AWAY from nitro - that's old, defunct technology.
You must live in a bubble if you don’t know that there is a whole huge demographic of guitarists who *want* the finish on their guitars to fade, yellow, crack, and generally show wear and age over time. Your own tastes are yours but they don’t represent those of every one else.
Google: A mil is a measurement that equals one-thousandth of an inch, or 0.001 inch. One mil also equals 0.0254 mm (millimeter). Thus a mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter.
What a lie. I imported a standard and right out of the box chunks of Nitrocellulose came off. Not checking as you expect with age but small coin sized chunks and chips. The seller didn't respond because he is in US and I'm in NZ so why would he do anything as he has my cash. Emailed Gibson when it started to happen a second time to see if they would stand behind their product. Answer was NO. Issue between seller and buyer. People should know this before purchasing that Gibson only stands behind their product under limited circumstances. Not sure it effects the sound (maybe over time?) but my $4k asset doesn't have the resell value it should have.
Those guys who do the spraying whatever they get paid it's not enough, the nitro finish is the business, watching the burst appearing as if by magic just gives me a deeper appreciation for my two (LP & 335) I tip my hat to the lads in Gibson 👍🇮🇪
The "yellow transparent shader" is the color of my LP! They made a boo-boo and mine was supposed to be a Heritage Cherry Sunburst (that's on the shipping label and scratched out by the factory under the neck cavity). Either my guitar was missed at this step accidentally or on purpose, but it is the only 50's Standard in base coat yellow!
Watching that Sunburst change when we were there was incredible! Super cool to see it came out great on video :)
That Burst looks like a Giant Light Bulb ! Man did it get Bright when that clear coat went on !! Love that this Video is Expanded on from " Gibson Factory Tours Ep00 "
I really do wish Gibson all the best.
As always, thanks, Jim, for your fantastic tour. Nice job, P&TG!
Hey, great tour, thanks for sharing!
This is SO cool! The entire process of guitar manufacture is fascinating to me, but the finish is, aesthetically, one of the most significant aspects of what makes a particular guitar unique. Great video!
I just got my les Paul standard yesterday, phenomenal guitar, build quality, action and playability are excellent! Thank you to all the people at Gibson !
I always enjoy seeing the inside of the Gibson plant.
Thank You
This was great to see.......got my M2M 335 in the pipeline at the moment and I've not looked at the finishing of a Gibson previously........thanks.
Ahh Dude...good for you... I would love to do a M2M...it would be an Aldo Nova Les Paul !!!!
@@eddiejr540 Looks like he used a darkburst with double white dimarzios.........mine will be a tobacco sunburst 335 VOS.......a couple of months away yet......this covid thing is holding everything up a bit for sure. All the best
Good grief, do you not wear respirators in the USA? Spraying nitro cellulose with just a basic face mask! I hope those sprayers get good health insurance, they're going to need it.
I'm surprised too... I've prayed nitro here and at a pro booth and a respirator is a must... Even then the occasional lung infection is inevitable...
And those facemasks are probably just for covid. My guess would be that their exhaust and ventilation meets OSHA standards so that they aren't required to wear a respirator. You can tell they had lots of fans running in that place as it was quite loud.
I agree. Long term those painters are going to die a painful cancerous death. My friend painted cars and when he dies he was a shell of skin and bones. Not to mention, they are not wearing gloves either. I used to paint with oil based and you need solvents to clean it off. Either way they will end up sick.
they had a pretty good exhaust system in place, so chances are the painter doesn't even smell it, that said, Health ins? in the US? Never heard of him.
There is a huge amount of negative pressure that you can see in that back wall. That's why the other guitars don't get overspray hanging next to the one being worked on. This question has been asked on other walk thrus by other channels.
I love the look and the sound of these guitars but i have seen so many people posting photos of their les Paul finish cracking or checking so i don't think i am ready for that.
I’ve never seen a finish being sprayed on. So cool!
The nitro smell is the best ever!✌️🤪🎸🎶🎵🎶🎵🎶
Agreed!
Just found this channel, they are killing it with these gibson factory videos! 🤘
back in January when I first got my LP, the nitro smell was so amazing and even today it smells a little bit. Every single day I open the case, the smell comes in. jejeje.
It´s funny to see these workers don´t use an uniform. They use their own clothe. Factories in china or suramerica use uniform for their workers and few of them use appropiate equipment to work. I hope they don´t get sick because of the chemicals.
Mad painting skills by that dude! Great video!
All finish employees are coated in Nitro as well and have a life expectancy of 5-7 years before cracking. But they are resonant.
Haha 😆
Man... That’s like being in Willie Wonka’s factory, only with LP Gibsons.
Awesome tour!
Quite an achievement to stick with Nitro through the years
lol. Quite the achievement? I never knew it was an achievement for an Electrical company called Gibson who made crap refrigerators and electronics since the 50's. Made an achievement in painting electrical guitars like English furniture. When it adds zero quality to the sound. And is a real pain to play in humid weather. Not to mention. They are painted like a grandmas English furniture. So the paint is easily sustainable to chipping and all that junk.
Living in georgia where we have very high humidity..I never have problems playing my les pauls
@@eaglewarrior8707 Gibson guitars is not the company that made refrigerators. Gibson Appliance was founded by Joshua Hall in Belding, Michigan, in 1877 as the Belding-Hall Company selling cabinets that housed blocks of ice (ice-boxes). It was purchased by Frank Gibson, a competing manufacturer of "ice refrigerators" in the early 1900s. It was the largest in its industry at the time. In 1931, the company began making electric refrigerators.
The Gibson Mandolin-Guitar Mfg. Co. Ltd.was started by five Kalamazoo businessmen in 1902.
Two totally different companies.
I love the nitro finish...who came up with the bright idea that dipping a guitar in plastic was good for tone...or anything for that matter!!!!
Incredible that Gibson do not provide their employees with real spray masks or suits!
What a polar difference from Fender!
There are huge vents on both sides as well as on the top and back that sucks out all the fumes, otherwise they would all suffocate or run out coughing including the visitors.
It’s a spray booth. The overspray is being sucked out via large fans behind that filter on the wall.
However having sprayed lacquer many times, he should be wearing a respirator.
I believe the rear of the booth is also a ‘water wall’, flushing the majority of the overspray away with a constantly moving ‘curtain’.of water.
My new studio has no finish at the heal joint and a pile of finish full of bubbles on the shoulder. Looks like a bird crapped on it.
I can smell this video and it’s nice
Two guys wearing Tool shirts!
Excellent taste.
Greatest hard rock band ever!
I just subbed. Am I entered to win that amazing les Paul ?
Not too sure, but I’m guessing those signature finishes (Pelham Green, Ember Amber, and Sparkling Brass) are going to stand the test of time.
I think I see some 70s Deluxe models going through the line.
This guys spraying nitro with no respirator on 👏🏼🤦🏻♂️
Crazy
"Jim de Cola"? In Spanish "Cola" is the glue used by Luthiers.
In Italian Colla means glue. From collagen
If thinner finish is so called better for tone then why even put a finish guitar at all?
lol @3:02.."general population"
10 mils? I don't think he means that surely
Love the videos!
De Cola is a great ambassador for Gibson.
Did he say 10 mil thickness which is a centemetre
Mil is a unit of measure, not millimeter. Thanks for watching!
‘10 mills of finish’! - ???? I’m no finish expert but, surely, ten microns?
The two Gs ... best guitars Ive ever owned! Gibson and Guild... LOVE them both! :) Even in their off years, they were still some of the best guitars ever made
"And here are the two QC points...!" => And no employee can be seen! 😂 Explains a lot! Haha... 🤣
Idk I'd that's just me, but I can only appreciate femder relic guitars. A les paul when the finish starts to crack and rub off doesn't look as appealing
Also makes guitars susceptible to static
Two things bothered me in this: wood filler in the imperfections and pores? That is not something I would have thought was done in a high end guitar. The other thing was the contradiction when he said they only spray a very minimal, thin coat on, but then when he got to the clear coat area he said they put on a minimum of 5 coats. Kind of defeats the purpose of trying to just do a thin finish in my opinion.
5 coats doesn't mean they are heavy coats..have you ever painted cars?
John Foskey Yeah. I was an auto-body repairman in the 90s. Different beast though. You want more coats on a car. On a guitar I like to be able to still see and feel the pores and grain of the wood like on a good piece of wood furniture. Not into the thick gloss look.
2:12 Did he say "10 mils of thickness"? That's 1cm.
A mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter. The term "mil" is not an abbreviation but instead its own unit of measure.
1 mil equals 0.0254 mm
10 mil equals 0.254 mm.
10 mils is about 1/64th of an inch.
@@hkguitar1984 Perfect, thanks. Never heard the expression before.
Still don’t see why people bitch about the price of Gibson’s. Seems somewhat fair. I love mine.
They are so beautiful, worth every penny
Wood doesn’t breathe! It’s dead. I wish people would stop saying this. Finish slows the exchange of moisture, that’s about it.
I don't think they mean it literally breathes.
@@indieguy81 it’s a thing guitarist keep saying as some benefit of using nitro lacquer. So lots of people believe it. These same people think polyester finishes change the tone of a solid body.
The only thing that happens with nitro is moisture exchanges in and out of the wood.
Can we get the painter a real mask? ☠️
Jim explained to us that the room is ventilated upwards in a manner that a face mask breaking-bad style is not required
@@PlayandTradeGuitars If I worked there, I’d be very skeptical of that claim. Maybe he also holds his breath throughout the painting process?
10mm? 2:12
A mil is a measurement that equals one-thousandth of an inch, or 0.001 inch. One mil also equals 0.0254 mm (millimeter). Thus a mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter. Thanks for watching!
This gibson factory... looks like the perfect place for the start of the zombie apocalypse.
Nitrocellulose is an absolutely HORRIBLE outdated finish that yellows badly in a relatively short amount of time (think: yellowed bindings, yellowed headstock logo), is very soft, and is prone to cracking after it _finally_ cures completely. Polyester is a much better MODERN finish that is very hard, remains clear over time, and can be instantly cured using UV. I suspect the _real_ reason Gibson hesitates to get on board with the modern age of finishing has more to do with the cost of changing over than anything else. That lame "resonates" excuse offered up by them and others is just that - a lame excuse.
For the one-off individual luthier, polyester is not a viable option - it's too difficult to work with in a non-industrial setting (i.e., without the equipment to properly apply and cure it, such as Taylor does). For them, two-part urethanes (automotive clear coats) are the way to go to top coat under other finishes (stains, etc.), or as a solo finish.
Those two-part urethanes do a perfectly fine job of allowing resonance when THINLY applied (especially with acoustics) - as is the case with any finish. But STAY AWAY from nitro - that's old, defunct technology.
You must live in a bubble if you don’t know that there is a whole huge demographic of guitarists who *want* the finish on their guitars to fade, yellow, crack, and generally show wear and age over time. Your own tastes are yours but they don’t represent those of every one else.
And I love the nitro finishes on my les pauls
Lol, that's the reason why a lot of people pay good money and purchase Gibson guitars. They love the way they age.
10 mil finish ? 😆
Google: A mil is a measurement that equals one-thousandth of an inch, or 0.001 inch. One mil also equals 0.0254 mm (millimeter). Thus a mil is not the same thickness as a millimeter.
10 mil= 1cm so it should be 10 microns
Are you sure he didn‘t mean „1 mil= 1 thousandth of an inch“?
What a lie. I imported a standard and right out of the box chunks of Nitrocellulose came off. Not checking as you expect with age but small coin sized chunks and chips. The seller didn't respond because he is in US and I'm in NZ so why would he do anything as he has my cash. Emailed Gibson when it started to happen a second time to see if they would stand behind their product. Answer was NO. Issue between seller and buyer. People should know this before purchasing that Gibson only stands behind their product under limited circumstances. Not sure it effects the sound (maybe over time?) but my $4k asset doesn't have the resell value it should have.
Not properly masked, going to have respiratory issues. How is Gibson not paying attention to that ? Very concerning
No he doesn't.