For people getting mad at TDS for nerfing paintballer, The splash was never meant to be that big. A tds balancer said the paintballer having huge splash was indeed a bug
Why can't devs actually take the time to balance a tower instead of buffing the hell out of it and then nerfing it to the ground. BTW I think devs are trying to nerf any last tower that still have inf splash.
Buff idea: Pierce: Lvl 0-2: 4 Lvl 3-4: 5 Lvl 5: 7 The main problem with the nerf was the very harsh pierce cap. Giving it a pierce cap was fine. But keeping it at 3 over all upgrades is stupid. This isnt Gladiator, meaning it will suck once you enter mid game.
Decreased splash area is okay. But oh my, why they capped splash damage at 3 enemies? I understand if it's at least 4-6 cuz it's mostly enough, but 3 is just way to low.
So you say that the nerf wasn't harsh. It was very harsh actually. Sure it was broken as hell when it was buffed, but that nerf just made paintballer useless again.
@@HammerheadEagle-iThrust Increase the pierce cap thats all. Too much people are over reacting about this. I literally am celebrating because he was broken as hell and shouldnt be better then most golden towers.
@@louie-t2e I get it that paintballer shouldn't be better than all golden towers. But it was very harsh, at least remove the cap limit, but decrease his damage. IT CANT EVEN DO EARLY GAME EASY MODE SINCE IT LEAKS EASILY DUE TO THE STUPID HIT CAP
Its a beginner splash dmg tower, its for the noobs that cant afford rocketeer mortar or demo yet, its supposed to shine in the early game and be pretty bad lategame, just because its a beginner tower doesn't mean it should be completely useless, beginner towers should be able to perform well as good early game towers that are bad lategame
@@serily4524 You get demo right after you complete tutorial, so that means you can get demoman earlier than paintballer. Also, on infernal abyss, it performed way better than mortar, which is a level 75 tower.
@@serily4524 If a tower that you can get in less than one hour performs better than lvl 75 tower, then yes, it ruins progression. And why would the devs make a cheap tower that will let noobs grind harder gamemodes right from the start? Their goal is for you to spend as much time on the game as possible, so there's no reason to make paintballer so op.
If a beginner class troop manages to outperforms golden troops (gpyro+ gscout), a hc troop (brawler), and a limited tower (gladiator) for early defense, then theres definitely a problem
@monkey6114if its because its limited and people cant get it they can when it comes on sale for black friday as well as some other towers sometimes and they can buy it if they want
Paintballer costs 150, it shouldnt be that op. Either way, the pierce cap is fine if it was at least 5 or higher, and the splash was a bug so they fixed that bug.@@Patito..
I'm not going to lie this is why i quit tds they finally buffed a paintballer just to nerf him back into being useless. Why play a game where, at any moment, something can be nerfed into the ground
they should make it a 4-5 pierce cap instead of 3, to make it slightly better but still not as good as before, if they didn’t want paintballer to be so good.
this update is all filled with bugs... idk if anyone else had it but my gift claim thingy doesn't show up anymore, my gravedigger engi is gone now. and when i made quickdraw it wasn't there.
People think paintballer was nerfed badly but doesn't realize its just the fact its a beginner tower that was never meant to take on insane maps, pizza party or even be better than gladiator and gpyro on its own... 💀💀😭😭
Last time I played paintballer in my loadout he did NO damage and my fried said “maybe he was too good so they just needed him making him do no damage”
I wouldn’t call this a unfair nerf or paintballer dying, it’s a beginner tower, pretty sure it’s the cheapest tower to buy aswell. It’s not meant to shred, (also all the tests were on hard game modes or maps beginners shouldn’t be playing) so what I’m saying is, paintballer is still good at being a beginner tower.
@@penguindud they actually couldve just made the splash on how It was intended to be but no, they added a pierce limit. Probably the worst paintballer is in the history of tds.
Tower for 150 coins can't be op,paintballer was op with that splash radius and was better than g pyro, and better than other start g towers(g scout and g soldier....).Hunter,paintballer and other start towers don't need that big buffs(and they need buffs g towers 50000 cpins for it...)
Bad take, golden towers are better into the midgame and lategame over paintballer, this tower wasn't even op in the first place, it was a fine early game tower that fell off hard mid and late, you people dont know the meaning behind beginner towers being supposed to be good early lmao
Why are you guys mad over a starter tower that costs 150 coins being nerfed hard. YES IT COSTS 150 COINS ONLY AND ITS BETTER THAN DEMOMAN AND GLADIATOR and you guys are acting like its a big deal, it must be done. Be more strategic than being braindead. Edit: be grateful that paintballer never miss its target like rocketeer, mortar and demoman which means it can fully hit 3 enemies at once.
Don't reverse this god dammed he is op and he is a starter tower he should not be this op to be used in modes like fallen mode. We are introduced to many mistakes that the dev make that this is just power creep.
wow paintballer going back down we know this wasnt a bug the devs are fucking playing with us the same happened eith rocketeer when it was on the rebalance update and then they nerfed it days later honestly paitnballer finally had use it was pretty decent but now its back to where it was good job tds
People like u when they dont understand beginner towers are supposed to be early game bad mid and late towers(a 50k coin tower will always outperform beginner towers mid to lategame)
Cope harder lmao. Paintballer shouldn't be better than a gold tower at all! but it should be a good tower for beginners which is what it is now. Seriously, paintballer shouldnt be able to be that good on a triple lane map since it costs 150 coins.@@serily4524
@@serily4524 Bro it's not gonna make people quit, nobody is leaving because of one bad tower. Look at hunter, it didn't get nerfed (yet) with its 300 coin 60 dps. And every other tower that got rebalanced is fine (except for demo, I really don't think the hidden detection removal was necessary). New players can still enjoy the game without paintballer being op. And the pros who used to use paintballer for early def and mid game have other alternative towers to use for early def that they used to use before the buff. One heavily nerfed tower, although annoying, isn't gonna kill the whole game filled with like, what? 30 other towers now?
paintballer nerf became real
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Max hits is the worst feature that was introduced ruined a bunch of towers
Womp womp, cuz tdx has that too
You just suck getting used to it
How u gonna balance the game if u want em to keep inf piercing
@@minh1645 thats like the gladiator having inf pierce
Maybe if they compensated the pierce cap with a slightly more damage than it would be acceptable.
For people getting mad at TDS for nerfing paintballer, The splash was never meant to be that big. A tds balancer said the paintballer having huge splash was indeed a bug
Oh so it wasn't meant to be a huge buff but rather a small buff
the worst thing is the pierce cap even if the huge splash got nerf
paintballer remains a joke then
Nice jokes, they should have kept the infinite pierce then because ITS A SPLASH TOWER
tds balancers exist??!!? 🔥🗣️
Why can't devs actually take the time to balance a tower instead of buffing the hell out of it and then nerfing it to the ground.
BTW I think devs are trying to nerf any last tower that still have inf splash.
Because the paintballer splash being that big was a bug, it was never meant to be that op
That wasn't even buff lol it a bug
How do testers even let that bug slide tho 🗿
@@fbarb1134it was still a feature that made paintballer good
@@Tomudrikeep it as a buff
Buff idea:
Pierce:
Lvl 0-2: 4
Lvl 3-4: 5
Lvl 5: 7
The main problem with the nerf was the very harsh pierce cap. Giving it a pierce cap was fine. But keeping it at 3 over all upgrades is stupid. This isnt Gladiator, meaning it will suck once you enter mid game.
Exactly bro this whole pierce feature doesnt make any sense like why does the splash increase but the pierece doesnt???
Im happy, that you @@xenstence agree with me on this one. Most keep doing awful suggestions and hate my (decently reasonable) suggestions.
this buff will never get added
Gamers: Yay! Paintballer is finally actually useful!!
Devs: r u sure about that?
Decreased splash area is okay.
But oh my, why they capped splash damage at 3 enemies?
I understand if it's at least 4-6 cuz it's mostly enough, but 3 is just way to low.
That nerf was needed, this tower in some cases could have better results than a golden scout / pyro , which take a ton of grind to get
So you say that the nerf wasn't harsh. It was very harsh actually. Sure it was broken as hell when it was buffed, but that nerf just made paintballer useless again.
@@HammerheadEagle-iThrust Increase the pierce cap thats all.
Too much people are over reacting about this. I literally am celebrating because he was broken as hell and shouldnt be better then most golden towers.
@@louie-t2e I get it that paintballer shouldn't be better than all golden towers. But it was very harsh, at least remove the cap limit, but decrease his damage. IT CANT EVEN DO EARLY GAME EASY MODE SINCE IT LEAKS EASILY DUE TO THE STUPID HIT CAP
@@HammerheadEagle-iThrusti still using him tho and he still better than gladiator
bro paintballer has been beaten down so many times
Well look at that, The meme of nerfing the paintballer became real
Paintballer is a beginner tower after all, if it would be so op, it would ruin progression, so the nerf is reasonable.
Its a beginner splash dmg tower, its for the noobs that cant afford rocketeer mortar or demo yet, its supposed to shine in the early game and be pretty bad lategame, just because its a beginner tower doesn't mean it should be completely useless, beginner towers should be able to perform well as good early game towers that are bad lategame
Besides this tower wouldn't ruin progression, it would make it easier for noobs to grind better
@@serily4524 You get demo right after you complete tutorial, so that means you can get demoman earlier than paintballer. Also, on infernal abyss, it performed way better than mortar, which is a level 75 tower.
@@serily4524 If a tower that you can get in less than one hour performs better than lvl 75 tower, then yes, it ruins progression. And why would the devs make a cheap tower that will let noobs grind harder gamemodes right from the start? Their goal is for you to spend as much time on the game as possible, so there's no reason to make paintballer so op.
@@DARKNESS_DFLAnd paintballer is only good on that map
For other maps any other option is better
Good idea nerfing the tower was became useful once
yea but now it’s useless again
like what’s the point of reworking a tower to make it better then nerfing it so its useless again
@@ayea4753this starter tower wasn't meant to be this strong. Its splash radius is litterally bigger than a rocket and grenade.
But its worst rework need to make all towers usefull for every work accel dps engineer early -late game
@@Finnn69 true, but litterally no one will use it now there are many other better starter towers
from paintballer basiclly being better than g pyro, into something that's basically useless..
If a beginner class troop manages to outperforms golden troops (gpyro+ gscout), a hc troop (brawler), and a limited tower (gladiator) for early defense, then theres definitely a problem
basically*, not "basicly"
@@selocha4367but the difference is pyromancer is more useful on later wave while paintballer is trash lategame
@monkey6114why
@monkey6114if its because its limited and people cant get it they can when it comes on sale for black friday as well as some other towers sometimes and they can buy it if they want
the devs REALLY hate paintballer huh?
Bro is a beginner tower💀
@@odgenanimation546 the problem is that it is even worse than all other beginner towers, and it is not free, so is a scam to new players
Paintballer costs 150, it shouldnt be that op. Either way, the pierce cap is fine if it was at least 5 or higher, and the splash was a bug so they fixed that bug.@@Patito..
@leonardotrujillo8661 as well tho, it shouldn't be the worst tower. Normal scout can do better.
I still find paintballer was really good for early and mid game because of cost effective
Still bad nerf
It can barely defend early fallen
@@serily4524 splash radius wasn't mean to be buff in first place
@@penguindud its a starter tower its not meant for hard modes
@@penguindud Dont have huge expectations for a beginner tower that cost 150 coins in fallen mode 💀
I'm not going to lie this is why i quit tds they finally buffed a paintballer just to nerf him back into being useless. Why play a game where, at any moment, something can be nerfed into the ground
TDS players when tower you get after 20 minutes of gameplay can't carry you until wave 19 in hardest basic gamemode:
We dont expect us for the tower to carry us that far, we just want it to be uaeful
@@serily4524it’s still useful for beginners playing normal mode, like, it’s not suppose to be a super OP tower level 400 players are using.
Based take
@NoobyNubguy it performs worse than normal scout early my guy.
@@serily4524 150 coin tower hes still decent for beginners. FOr something so cheap.
I gave 6 blind people vomit in a cup and said it's a slushy
what the hell
Nahhh
Based, keep up the good work.
Love your video your youtube is so good
Can we have a phenomenon called the 'Paintballer Buff' where a tower is given a game changer buff and then a massive nerf within a week
Lets not forget the green skin bug removing paintballer gun from existence
they should make it a 4-5 pierce cap instead of 3, to make it slightly better but still not as good as before, if they didn’t want paintballer to be so good.
this update is all filled with bugs... idk if anyone else had it but my gift claim thingy doesn't show up anymore, my gravedigger engi is gone now. and when i made quickdraw it wasn't there.
Hunter still being a sniper at max: hi
Paintballer before the buff had either infinite pierce or some big cap, but now only 3 is so bad bro
Honestly what is the point at being mad about this nerf. Its tradition at this point.
Its like the final straw
People think paintballer was nerfed badly but doesn't realize its just the fact its a beginner tower that was never meant to take on insane maps, pizza party or even be better than gladiator and gpyro on its own...
💀💀😭😭
Ikr these people are overreacting because a beginner tower that cost 150 coins is nerfed. A tower thats better then golden scout got nerfed.
TRAGIC EVENTS IN HISTORY PAINTBALLER’S DEATH
That's why I really want paintballer rework
Last time I played paintballer in my loadout he did NO damage and my fried said “maybe he was too good so they just needed him making him do no damage”
Only lvl 0 did no dmg, every other lvl was op
Damn Paintballer was one of the worst towers had a huge comeback then went back in its graveyard a few days later
Sad..
Atleast that paint baller meme become real
I think it's just K balanace cuz should be this good that it's a starter tower and not gold one
I have an idea.
What about give paintballer golden skin and give him his old stats as gold buff?
(Maybe I little buff too)
Level 0 paintballer didn’t even work and now they nerfed it💀
giving the early - mid game tower a place to stand:❌
nerfing them to the ground 💀:✅
I wouldn’t call this a unfair nerf or paintballer dying, it’s a beginner tower, pretty sure it’s the cheapest tower to buy aswell. It’s not meant to shred, (also all the tests were on hard game modes or maps beginners shouldn’t be playing) so what I’m saying is, paintballer is still good at being a beginner tower.
Finally someone UNDERSTANDS
Poor paintballar, he got buff and later a nerf
Bro is only good on infernal abyss and devs decide to neft it, great.
Speaking fax
@@penguindud they actually couldve just made the splash on how It was intended to be but no, they added a pierce limit. Probably the worst paintballer is in the history of tds.
They did fix the splash but they added the pierce cap which isnt great@@brittleinprofessional
Paintballer: **gets nerfed**
Meanwhile Hunter: **Maniacally laughing** thank you be begining so dumb
Tower for 150 coins can't be op,paintballer was op with that splash radius and was better than g pyro, and better than other start g towers(g scout and g soldier....).Hunter,paintballer and other start towers don't need that big buffs(and they need buffs g towers 50000 cpins for it...)
Bad take, golden towers are better into the midgame and lategame over paintballer, this tower wasn't even op in the first place, it was a fine early game tower that fell off hard mid and late, you people dont know the meaning behind beginner towers being supposed to be good early lmao
@@serily4524Bad take, gold scout and gold soldier are early/mid game towers and should not be overshadowed by a 150 coin tower.
@@serily4524you don’t know what your talking about.
@@serily4524 Its too op in early game. It literally sheds more zombies then golden towers with CHEAP COSTS
there's no more hope for this tower
I mean it makes sense the tower was op for costing only 150 coins
our goatballer got nerfed 😔
I did paintball only in molten mode, I was able to 20,000 damage with 40 paintballers
To be honest, they could just make him 1.500 Coins and put him in Intermediate category. Everyone would be happy with this outcome I guess.
at this point they made it worse than before buff
Dam theres a thing call limited time buff now
They massacred my boy
during that time was pb actually better than glad lol
Another tower gets the toxic gunner treatment
Whats next they are gon give hunter a 7 second attack time
yeah
Why are you guys mad over a starter tower that costs 150 coins being nerfed hard. YES IT COSTS 150 COINS ONLY AND ITS BETTER THAN DEMOMAN AND GLADIATOR and you guys are acting like its a big deal, it must be done. Be more strategic than being braindead.
Edit: be grateful that paintballer never miss its target like rocketeer, mortar and demoman which means it can fully hit 3 enemies at once.
Who the hell is going to think of a strategy when you have other things to do
@@brainlesssayspro3738 ah, yes. why strategise in a strategy game?
@@brainlesssayspro3738 just because you're not following a strat vid or doc doesn't mean its not strategy 🤦♀️
A tower is a tower lmao, this tower is supposed to be an good early game tower that stinks midgame and late, if u cant get that ur dum
People kept talking about paintballer being sucks even tho paintballer is 150 coins but still do better worked than gladiator💀💀💀
I see the nerf now, i hate max hits.
Now it's a splash ranged gladiator
What if instead of nerfing towers, they just buff the modes
Does he know?
Bruh they nerfed low a tier paintballer but hadnt touched broken ahh brawler
golden paintballer please come soon
Another reason why TDX is superior lmao
At least they can properly balance a tower
bro getting content creator title soon
Don't reverse this god dammed he is op and he is a starter tower he should not be this op to be used in modes like fallen mode. We are introduced to many mistakes that the dev make that this is just power creep.
wow paintballer going back down we know this wasnt a bug the devs are fucking playing with us the same happened eith rocketeer when it was on the rebalance update and then they nerfed it days later honestly paitnballer finally had use it was pretty decent but now its back to where it was good job tds
Paintballer's splash was literally bugged
i will still use it as an early game unit i do not care
TDS STOP DOING ALL THESE TOWERS DIRTY BRUHHH i bet they will nerf hunter next
Why do you all want to buff a 400 coins tower?!
Oh come on he still good bro WHAIT WI AM I HERE MUSIC BRO HE TURNED INTO MAD PAINTBALLE-
Sad to see Paintballer become a worse version of gladiator 😔
REMOVE THE MAX ENEMIES CAP AND DECREASE THE SPLASH RADIUS BY -0.5 I SAVED THE META 😃
It’s a beginner tower.. *WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?*
AND ITS AN EARLY GAME TOWER? WHAT ELSE IS IT SUPPOSED TO DO?, it should be good early
@@serily4524 yes an early *BEGINNER* tower. It was never meant to be played from high level players
Besides, you’d have better options than paintballer.. *i hope*
why are people mad that a tower that costs 150 isnt op anymore?
It's the tds community lmao, they want everything to be op lol
I say keep the nefed splash radius but remove the cap
The splash wasn't nerfed; it was fixed(the splash was bugged)
paradoxum games
nerf paintballer? yes
commando rework? no
Rip paintballer 😔
Limited time ahh buff
I mean he is a starter tower after all
But now hes useless hunters a starter tower shouldn't it get nerfed too?
@@A_damn.000 idk i am not a balancer
@@Calamity_666 that question was rhetorical
he got a nerf of all things sad
People when a beginner tower is bad (it’s not meant to be better than a 50k coin tower)
People like u when they dont understand beginner towers are supposed to be early game bad mid and late towers(a 50k coin tower will always outperform beginner towers mid to lategame)
@@serily4524 I do understand that but a tower in the beginner section shouldn’t be that good of an early game.
Cope harder lmao. Paintballer shouldn't be better than a gold tower at all! but it should be a good tower for beginners which is what it is now. Seriously, paintballer shouldnt be able to be that good on a triple lane map since it costs 150 coins.@@serily4524
Hi
Play TDX 🗿
TDS players when a tower with a bugged statistic gets fixed: 😡😡😡😡
I mean yeah, but a splash cap of 3 if just fucking absurd
@@CementMixEater especially for AoE tower made for decent crowd control
@@PanTostek at least the paintballer rework is still underway, so I don’t really care.
demoman is better now
Tds players when something op is no longer op: WAAAAAAAAAA DEVS CANT BALANCE THE GAME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
@@KobraArab It was a niche tower being only good on infernal abyss, but now it can't even defend early on regular maps
@@penguindud it's 150 coins
Bugfix of course😂
No hate to tds but tds dev suck at balance nerf & buff
Very predictable
💀
the nerf was deserved
@@alexandrolamy9645 Honestly the splash radius was deserved but 3 pierce cap is just salt on the wound
@@penguindud the 3 pierce cap is ok in early game but becomes actually pain in late-mid game
Great way to make your game die tds😑
ok I get you're mad but lets be real here, nerfing paintballer is NOT gonna make the game die. Like lets be a LITTLE BIT truthful here shall we?
I think about this hell buffs is to make more people playing till reall update coming
@@MangoGalaxyYTit will make still people quit and even more players leaving, therefore tds dying more
Nope
@@serily4524 Bro it's not gonna make people quit, nobody is leaving because of one bad tower. Look at hunter, it didn't get nerfed (yet) with its 300 coin 60 dps. And every other tower that got rebalanced is fine (except for demo, I really don't think the hidden detection removal was necessary). New players can still enjoy the game without paintballer being op. And the pros who used to use paintballer for early def and mid game have other alternative towers to use for early def that they used to use before the buff. One heavily nerfed tower, although annoying, isn't gonna kill the whole game filled with like, what? 30 other towers now?
Meh
the other starter towers are still usable though
noo