"You'd be surprised at all of the things I don't know, because I know about a lot of other things, and I read all the time, and I don't think I'm wasting my time on what I do read, so...one can't read everything."
Across years and through cyber-screens I could actually smell Sontag release a Pâté de Foie Gras fart as she uttered that cringeworthy babble. Her fart was horrific. The Pâté was probably quite toothsome.
@@punkbjorktaking the bait, shame on me, but Paglia basically said that Sontag has turned into a fossil, which she seems to confirm with this school matronly comment on Paglia and her work. She’s not paying attention to the cultural fabric anymore that she’s writing about.
@@punkbjork sorry. Don’t know if you have seen it, but „being autistic“ has kind of become a meme or sth people say when they mean they are socially distanced, super into a topic or something. Wasn’t sure if you meant it literally 😌
Paglia’s hate towards Sontag is so funny. She clearly venerated Sontag until Sontag offhandedly dismissed her, then Paglia almost instantly started waging a war against her - insisting Sontag was just jealous of her. Sontag bruised Paglia’s ego by dismissing the supposed social influence Paglia had ascribed to herself. Her hate for Sontag is a classic case of scorn emanating from rejection, from one of her idols no less. I think all Paglia’s public opprobrium of Sontag was actually a desperate attempt to capture her attention.
and even if all of this was true (and not all of it is, especially regarding the approximations of the respective cultural impacts of the two), wouldn't that just make paglia a campy queen? i mean i'd simply say "she's so real for that!"
She's such an obvious outsider and people enjoy the fight she has in her. She's so invigorating. She's so alive with life, warmth, and honesty. I just adore her!
+Caleb Taylor I'm sure there are many reasons to like Camille Paglia, but this video isn't one of them. She lashes out at Sontag like someone who has been cornered, like the only way she can elevate herself is by bringing Sontag down. She comes across as a petty bully in this video.
agreed. and I think she HAD to point out her importance to others because otherwise they might refuse to even see it! she had to be the one to say fearless things about herself, because she was so on fire and controversial that others were going to dismiss her. I love her for that.
Interesting, because now Paglia has become what she claimed Sontag was in the early 90s. She constantly berates new music as lacking depth, criticizes modern art as solipsistic and full of nihilism, while haranguing about the digitization of art, and constantly credits her generation as everything this one isn't. She doesn't follow pop culture like she use to then. Stop me if you if you heard this one before: "I'm a product of the 60's", "I'm a Baby Boomer", "My generation was the first" and so forth. I agree with her on many points, but she's in danger of sounding as out of it and as faded as she charged Sontag with here.
POPOLUAR music lacks depth. That;s more because of the corporate market than anything. Sometimes older people don;t see the REAL youth culture because it's not on TV nowadays. But there are a lot of artists youngans are listening to that older people aren't aware of because it's off the charts.
Praesepe Such is the curse of age, we often recoil in onto ourselves. When we are younger we explore everything but as we grow older, with death on our heels and nostalgia on out mind, we return only to the most significant places from our exploring days, the ones that remind us of the spirit of our youth. For example, BBC Radio 1 DJ John Peel was famous for playing obscure or new music on his show that others wouldn't touch, but throughout his life, and especially in his final decade, he often played the music he grew up with, country and rockabilly, or new music that had the spirit of his old love, hence his obsession with PJ Harvey and the White Stripes as well as Laura Cantrell, the Fall and Pavement, all of whom were inspired by the blues, country and rockabilly in some way.
+Kid Koon I think there's much more to the recoiling of ourselves than that of old age. Shielding oneself from the harshness of people and the intrusion of the external world is one. Sontag seems like such an individual; a staunch introvert with a definite idea how she wants her immediate environment to be structured around her. Paglia seems to mistake this selectivity for snobbishness and disengagement. Paglia is in many ways like Madonna. Both ruthlessly recycle other ideas from people and do so with added flair and gumption. Does this make for an interesting figure in pop music (Madonna) or syncretic academic (Paglia)? Yes. Does this make for substance? No. Both Madonna and Paglia are indebted to the original ideas of their progenitors and need a slew of gimmicks and mainstays to maintain public interest in their personas. Madonna with her cynical business savvy, changing her image to stay atop current trends, exploiting Americans’ prurient in sexuality to garner controversy. Paglia by pretending to be voice to essentially conservative sympathies without naming it as such, and identifying herself as a self-styled 60’s era Boomer dissident who is aware of the decadence caused by her generation. She sets the table for reactionary sympathies to develop in response to this decadence, but if you read into her carefully, that’s not what she advocates for, thankfully. And Paglia is always fighting against mainline feminists, while not abandoning the term altogether to describe herself with, because after all, if the solution is to defect from the movement altogether, what reason will there be to criticize? Paglia, like Madonna, is original in her presentation, which initially interested me. She presents things in a refreshing way. But Sontag is the original mother for me. I also relate to her, as a fellow introvert.
I love this video. Sontag: I'm full of myself! Paglia: No, I'm full of myself! Sontag: I'm the fullest of myself! Paglia: I, me, I, I, I! Sontag: MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
+Luis Padron Funny you should mention Paglia's level of physical attraction, considering Paglia mentioned Sontag's fading attraction. Although it should come as no surprise that Paglia attracts a superficial audience.
I don't understand why people like Camille, to me her claims of Sontag being jealous of her are embarrassing. Younger doesn't mean better. And at the end of the day, It's not a competition, intellectuals hang out and admire each other all the time. There is a reason that Sontag avoids talking about Paglia. It's better to pretend that she doesn't know her, than saying yes i do and she is horrible.
i think Paglia was disappointed of her idol, which was Sontag, and wanted to correct her idol for her downfall...bcoz i always experience that when someone's admiring my works...xD...not to lay my arrogance, but im just making similarities
This is my favorite period of Camille Paglia. I even feel a retrospective affection for her here because this was the person that rocked my world. Bold, fearless, brash like a medieval warrior in chain mail. Jousting her opponents to certain doom. Heartwarming. ❤
I got "Sexual Personae" around '92 at a Brooklyn bookstore because my favorite professors were bringing it to class and reading excerpts and laughing at how brilliant and hilarious it was, particularly the chapters on American Late Romanticism and Emily DIckinson. For those who believe all this liquid gender nonsense is something new, I went to a dinner party for a poet on the Upper West Side mid-Nineties and got into a tête-à-tête with the guest of honor where I told her there are biological differences in the sexes and she gasped, wine glass in hand, and said, "You can't say that!" Camille Paglia was what Norman Mailer never had the balls to be in his debates with these harpies, he sheepishly shrugged when the feminists bashed him and tried to charm them with gentlemanly behavior. If they called him a born rapist he would just deflect with something like "But what about all the men raped in prison." Paglia just whipped it out and said "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would all be living in grass huts" and their only response was to try and pretend her away out of fear, they wanted no part of her, she would've knocked them out in mass media.
mzn y I see what you did there. 🤣 My question was in some way rhetorical, because my point is that whoever one agrees with they BOTH come across as smug. So, agreed!
This is too good to be true! By the way Paglia wrote a brilliant text on Sontag! I love both! They both created an iridescent mind-blowing ingenious body of work (Paglia‘s an edge above Sontag in my opinion)
....and also by her SEISMIC levels of butt hurt when the dude simply asked her to confirm a quote he came across, presumably, when he was doing research for the interview. Sontag overcooked her denial to the shithouse.
Not so. Watch the interview with her - by the time she is in this interview she does know who she is as she's been given xeroxes with red encircling, but doesn't consider herself familiar, and genuinely hadn't heard of her three weeks earlier.
" ... and suddenly people realised just how interesting I am!" Word perfect. However, for all her interestingness, she is still ignored and not taken seriously by the media, or academia, or mainstream feminism, or politicians, or the general public. So what is going on? Answer: She states too many truth bombs for them all. Talk after talk, Camille laments her being ignored, her small profile. She says there's a conspiracy against her. But I think it is because she is so self-transcendent (ie, doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks of her) that her abrasive and (seemingly) arogant nature makes people attack or dismiss the messenger rather than attending to her incredibly incisive messages. Like so many commenters here below -- "Agh, she's so nasty" -- meaning, I can't be bothered to think through what she just said. Such a shame.
Camille Paglia is really annoying. I would be so ashamed of myself to utter even one of the many ridiculously boasting things that she said in this interview and elsewhere. I often get the feeling that she can only sustain her big flashy self when she's on the attack against everything and everyone. I prefer Sontag.
I like Paglia's contrarian rants - even as I often disagree with her. I think it's good to stir the pot. But, 20 years later, I still think Sontag still has the higher profile.
***** There's confidence and then there's conceit. But Paglia takes it a step (or two) further right into obnoxious. p.s. Bipolar mania can look like great confidence and the belief that one is capable of accomplishing anything. Until the mania goes away. Then life really sux.
+Martha Raymond There's confidence and then there's delusions of grandeur. She has just waged war on a video clip of Susan Sontag. Not a living person. A video clip. Bravo, Camille Paglia! You just won a one-sided argument!! Standing ovation!!! You've earned that self satisfied look!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
She doesn't watch TV and she's not into rock? How is that a valid criticism? Is it valid to denounce someone in this generation for not surfing TH-cam and not listening to Taylor swift? That was just a ridiculous and catty thing to say.
Kyle Whitehead I think her criticism is that Sontag has distanced herself from everyday people and what is relevant to them while still claiming to be relevant and to be a voice of the people. Honestly, as much as I admire Paglia for her ideas, she also sounds very self righteous here and catty, especially at the end, and had this been my first encounter with her I fear I may not have ventured further.
This woman is amazing. I'll believe Feminism can deliver it's promises when I start seeing more women as strong, brash, artistic, and humourous as Paglia.
If Paglia thinks herself really like much more brilliant than Sontag, she doesn't need to be this upset. She sounds almost losing her temper, on the contrary, Sontag still has her manner. That's Sontag's old European manner.
Sontag has far better taste in art and film than Camille imo. She was a champion of great directors like Sokurov and Tarr before it was even 'fashionable' to like them.
Sontag’s taste was highbrow, which is the realm of the intellectual elites. Paglia was more keyed into art which had an impact on the popular consciousness.
@@cococandacraig3624 Thank you for your comment. I didn't see your comment till today Nov. 3, 2020. Paglia and Sontag share a kind of pernicious arrogance, about their self-attributed positions of 'dominance' in the arena of Cultural/Literary Politics. This recalls the jousting of American male writers of another generation, call it an exhausted stance for anyone to take, in the here and now! Or are the ego's of writers, who have gained success, subject to the same need, to cast themselves as arbiters of what is and isn't relevant, in their quest for a dominance no one can possess? A quote from Paglia's Wikipedia page entry is revelatory: ' Michiko Kakutani, also writing for The New York Times, wrote: "Her writings on education ... are highly persuasive, just as some of her essays on the perils of regulating pornography and the puritanical excesses of the women's movement radiate a fierce common sense ... Unfortunately, Ms. Paglia has a way of undermining her more interesting arguments with flip, hyperbolic declarations" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia Regards, StephenKMackSD
@@MrWhiskeycricket Sorry I missed your comment. See my comment @Coco Candacraig. Thank you for your comment. Sorry for the delay! Regards, StephenKMackSD
In another interview she is asked about her lack of humbleness and graciousness and she said that it was a part of her personae and to try and distinct herself from the establishment from which she was fighting against. I for one love it finding it extremely effective and as she's gotten older she has cooled a little bit.
We don't all read best sellers, Camille. Susan Sontag was a genius and a humanitarian. I've always be very interested in Susan Sontag. The last time I saw Susan Sontag she was speaking "On the Pain of Others" and I could see that she was dying. Camille is such an egomaniac.
***** Oh come on let's be honest, she has always been hungary to be relevant and in always claims that her detractors have faded away while she is still here in the public when actually she's not that visible at all
Because she hasn't written anything major since Sexual Personae. That book is still relevant as ever though, and she still pops up frequently to criticize Tumblr Feminism.
Subversive Untermensch Well to be fair what was meant to be her second book has been dispersed in numerous articles since then so it's not like she hasn't been out there in the public giviing her views
I wouldn't be surprised that Sontag hasn't heard of Pagli nor cares who she is. Paglia can't even say anything intelligent her she just reverts to some personal attack. Well anyone can do that. She calls herself the Sontag of the 90's, but she's just a wannabe pseudo-intellectual. See, easy.
Paglia is terribly bright, a good writer, and knows which way the winds blow. And she probably came as close as anyone to supplanting Sontag -- but she still missed by a mile.
Sorry but Camille is right. Sontag is vague and pretentious, I'm not actually sure how intellectual she was. She was just born at the right time. Camille speaks and writes in specifics, and if you read her stuff, it's obvious she has at least been exposed to more. And I think she has more original ideas and expresses herself more clearly.
Camille Paglia has got to be one of the most annoying people on the planet. She's more famous for arguing against other theorists than for her own work. And come on, she hates the French because she can't understand them. Oh, and that was one too many homophobic hints against Foucault coming from a feminist. She was not the Sontag of the 90s, or the Sontag of ever. Her arguments against other theorists are merely oversimplifications of their work. She's good at verbal ranting, like she does in the video, and in written ranting, but afraid of thought. So, let's dismiss Sontag, and let's dismiss Butler, who she has also not-so-gracefully dissed, and all hail Camille Paglia, the go-to authority for juvenile arguing. p.s.- I love you Susan p.s. 2- Camille, you're just mad because you 'can't sit with her'!
I find it really funny that the majority of the people that criticize Paglia using emotional arguments (like "she's so conceited" or "she's such a bitch") as opposed to rational disagreement (like factual opposition to something she says) are predominately women. Such a cliche response--and it feeds into this idea that women are irrational, over-emotional, and threatened by strong personalities in other women. sigh...
In every Camille Paglia interview with open phone lines, this has proven to be true. Stereotypes very clearly are not baseless, whether they pertain to race, culture, or, in this case, gender.
Is that what you've read? The problem w/ Camille Paglia is that there's so MUCH one can point to regarding rational disagreement . And Paglia often reduces her arguments to personal attacks to get attention. Calling Sontag disingenuous and an egomaniac becs Sontag had never heard of Paglia is reducing the argument to one of emotional argument. Paglias take for instance on the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Becs Paglia is an admitted 'football fan' (her little aside when discussing the OJ case) she says feminism "oversimplifies" battered women's syndrome. Uh huh. She says in Nicole's case it was her partially HER fault she was brutally slaughtered becs she was 'in lust w/ the fame & money'. Talk about oversimplification. Yet she has unmitigated gall to say that feminism 'oversimplifies BWS'. Fraud and simply using outrageous statements to get attention. I'm not saying I disagree whole cloth with EVERYthing Paglia says- but IMO - when she says s/t accurate it's just commonSens
I know the interview you are referring to and she never said Simpson was her own fault. She merely tried to shed light on the attraction women have to abusive men and also point out the need for women to take personal responsibility for actions which place them in danger (i.e. remaining with an abusive/insane spouse).
@morganblackwood People who talk that quickly are super smart, which has no bearing on whether one finds them annoying. I just try to keep up! There's a difference between self-obsessed and unapologetic about one's accomplishments and abilities. Paglia's self confidence isn't what's lacking in feminism (though try to get a feminist to debate you for an audience), but what makes her a...for lack of a better word..."righteous" or "right on" feminist, is her ability to be evidence-based in her thinking and conclusions, her non-ideological approach, her honesty, and the courage to put herself out there like she does. It's easy to be the kind of feminist who plays victim and hates men; it takes no courage at all. Those folks get all sorts of support, affirmation, media attention, and even laughter at men's expense. But when you're speaking up against that type of feminist, or merely speaking out in support of men's issues, you're more likely to get silenced, at best (even as the Right to Free Speech is forgotten). It will change if we continue to take the Camille Paglias of the world more seriously. It's already happening, and the feminists in charge of academe know it, which is why they keep moving the field goal to "but men are all rapists!" and why they're making it a hostile environment for men, a tactic which isn't only being used in colleges and universities, but in society proper. Have you watched a sitcom or commercial lately? The way women are portrayed vs. the way men are portrayed.... They're vehicles for ideological teaching, and misandry is the major field of study. We enjoy our world at the expense of men. Last time (and every single time) I looked, everything I see has been built by men with families, for the benefit of their families, and for the benefit of every single woman I see. As well as for me, and I am so grateful to them. I even tell them sometimes, like utilities workers and garbage men; they're always shocked and very happy to hear it. Why doesn't Hallmark make cards for them? Instead, they make cards absolutely denigrating men, the way the Nazis spoke about Jews. And make a killing doing it, too. Which speaks volumes. The very men who make our world worth living are the men who get the most hate. Talk about ungrateful. Men try so hard to please, especially women, and they do such a mind-boggling amount for everyone's benefit. Usually with a sense of humor, too. I could never marginalize men, as a group, nor hate them. What type of person would even do that? A lot of 'em, that's who! Women and men who were of age during the advent of third wave feminism (like Paglia or Warren Farrell), aren't going to be around forever. They're late 60s/early 70s in age. Going back as far as they do, and the vast amount of knowledge and experience they possess, gives them a level of credibility, knowledge, and advice we're not likely to see again, if not for a while, than for our entire life times. We need to get to know them now, instead of later. Seems most people are easily seduced by some sort of ideology (including, of course cultural feminism), while others of us have a knack for naturally avoiding them. Ideology is a very terrible thing. I dig how it really doesn't seem to tempt Paglia. (I've seen several videos of her speaking.) I just bought "Sexual Personae" and will read it when I'm done with my fifth Warren Farrell book. Looking forward to it.
'She doesn't watch TV and doesn't listen to rock music'. Yes cuz we all know THAT is what makes one a true intellectual radical feminist w/ her pulse on feminist thought. Petty is what this woman is.
Sontag thought she was above it all when it came to the direction pop culture went. She became completely out of touch. What's wrong with analyzing reality television and other popular shows/art? It's what the masses are consuming, therefore it's very very relevant. You... are a snob. Just like Sontag. Camille is right.
Camille is absolutely right about her impact, her place in the panorama of literary figures, her reflection of the era in which she lived, etc, all that. It's all true. My main concern is who will be the ones who will replace her? I can't see anyone with the breadth of knowledge and awareness and sheer brute force to surpass her. Who is going to be strong enough to point out weaknesses and flaws in her ideas? I'm scared to death that it will be nobody.
@Buirgenstock In my opinion, Paglia's reputation rests on "Sexual Personae" (quite a book!) & "Break, Blow, Burn", & then there are those fantastic essays on Arion. True, she may be riding in the coattails of her magnus opus of 20 years ago, & which may have contributed to the cultural advancement from then to now. To understand Paglia is not merely to read her books, but to give a proper reading of her own public & television appearances...
She says Sontag became very snobbish yet she herself was very snobbish here that was the whole air she was emitting in this clip. I have no idea who these authors are and I don’t belong here but I had to say it.
Thank God Sontag has been reckoned the intellectual superior to this woman by time and lasting culture. Sontag is brilliant, Volcano Lover is brilliant, and Sontag would never respond so rudely as this woman did to having her intellectual celebrity questioned. Paglia may have been the Sontag of the 90's, but Sontag is the Sontag of history, and I am happy to join Sontag in also stating, I've never heard of Paglia. Sontag led me here, and it's here that my interest in Paglia ends. I'd much rather listen to Sontag speak on topics of relevance, rather than Paglia speak about... herself.
"She's being passed by a younger rival..." As if Paglia is passing Sontag in 1993. Or ever. She's so deluded that she calls herself "the Sontag of the 90s" and compares herself to Mary McCarthy and Dorothy Parker! And then she proceeds to call into question Sontag's beauty and level of interest, as if the two were somehow connected! Some feminist she turned out to be.
+ShikagoMale1 That seems unlikely. Susan Sontag is the subject of a recent documentary (sontagfilm.org/) and a collection of her essays was recently published by the Library of America (www.loa.org/books/392-essays-of-the-1960s-70s). These are two pieces of evidence that attest to the immortality of Susan Sontag's legacy. Camille Paglia, on the other hand, is already fading into obscurity.
+ShikagoMale1 Her prose and ideas have already not outlived Sontag's. How can anyone who actually reads and thinks watch an interview like this and not feel that you're watching the weird Aunty in the Kardashian family dishing gossip - its trite. And its too bad as she occasionally said a few good things, a few sentences sandwiched between the bulk of blah blah and narcissism.
Please. Paglia exposed Sontag as the overly comfy, bourgeois slice of Capitulation Pie that she had become, at the time. Camille is a prophet, pure and (perhaps-not-so) simple. The establishment fembots have always feared Truth-tellers and they always will.
Paglia's so-called "exposé" consists of a few shallow denunciations: "She became very snobbish, and began chasing after these male European writers..." "She lost the cultural centrality that she had..." "Sontag belong to the generation before WW2. She doesn't watch TV, she's not into rock, and she's been passed..." Doesn't sound very conclusive, does it? Paglia's criticism of Sontag is juvenile, superficial, and a transparent attempt to elevate herself. "The establishment fembots..." Are you serious? I'm not even sure who you're trying to offend here. You outlandish statement could just as easily be applied to Paglia.
Non intellectual cis man here. The first time I came across Sontag was in Nassim Talebs book “Skin in the Game”. Go look up what he said about her, it’s very telling about who Sontag was.
i LOVE CAMILLE WHEN TALKING ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SHE SAID MEN YOU NEED TO GET IT UP AND WOMEN YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH IT. I STOOD UP AND CHEERED. THAT WAS YEARS AGO
+R Yokoe She's self-aware about that. Paglia is absolutely wrong on several issues, but she's also sometimes the only person with the balls to speak the truth. Enough of the feminist authoritarian establishment attacking their opponents' character!
+R Yokoe She does tend to do things a bit tongue & cheek when she gets riled up to evoke a response. Both her and Sontag are excellent and I think they both recognize that under the hood.
I do not dislike Paglia, though one wonders what could have made her the "Susan Sontag of the 90s" given that Paglia's most influential book of that decade was roundly attacked and condemned by feminist critics.
+MinamuTV That's the point. Sontag began as a famous dissident. Paglia was a famous dissident of the 90s and continues to be one today along with people like Milo Yiannopoulos.
Being lauded by your peers is often the marker of writing that will not remain relevant after a decade or so. Paglia's work is timeless and only grows in significance as time passes.
Rose Red I hope that my comment didn't leave the impression that I am a critic of Paglia's work, or unaware of the relationship between brilliance and one's being initially misunderstood. Paglia is one of the intellectuals I most follow, and she has been right about many things. My intended argument was simply that Sontag arguably never wrote anything quite as divisive as _Sexual Personae_.
Susan Sontag, for all her brilliance, was an indefatigably belligerent, and ungenerous interlocutor. At once pretentious and defensive, she sadly embodied the kind of strident and overdetermined self-assertion that fulfills the stereotype of the contemptuous feminist, which is unfortunate because she had so much to offer intellectually. She always seems locked into an obdurate resistance to experience or interpretation beyond her own measured probing. Camille, on the other hand, as intense, self-selling, and witheringly sarcastic as she sometimes is, exudes real passion, understands that humor and play are more transgressive than menace, and seems to celebrate the sexiness of engaging with art and ideas.
I love Camille. She was great then and remains so. She had Sontag to a T. "From Avant-garde in the 1970's to toast of the bourgosie of the 90's" is perfect. Confirmation of Sontag's decline was her propping-up of other failed feminist writers like Naomi Wolf.
+C.R Jones Agree but no doubt Sontag was excellent in her day as well. I think they both have added a lot of value throughout the years. The rift between them seems like the female version of Buckley & Hitchens both at times could be brilliant even if I wouldn't always agree
Camille is always interesting and enlightening even though she pisses me off and I disagree with her often (her more recent Salon articles have been particularly disappointing). Kids of today must read her work and form their own opinions. This posturing "who the hell is Paglia" crap only reveals your own insular awareness. She knocked the feminist and cultural establishment on its ass!!!
I would agree that Greer lost the plot, her recent comments about former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard's - ( first female Australian Prime Minister ) - bum being "big", really shattered her importance for me, in fact i thought she was a complete fool when i saw the interview in which she made the comment. Susan Sontag is deliberately serious, if you read her work, her diary entries, you can see she has a sense of humor. Just not an overly indulgent or attention seeking one.
she's not into rock
such a great comment lmao
*Sassy head tilt*
Paglia is a rapper.
+G Man You couldn't be more right. I want to see this video adapted into a feature length film worthy of "8 Mile".
And she's dissing hard the others who are not "real" enough anymore
A pretentious parrot...just like these times, yes
"I'm the Sontag of the 90's" jezus....
Cocaaaaaaaine
Did you realy wrote Jesus with Zet?
Not saying Camille was, but SOMEONE probably had to be the “Sontag of the ‘90s” because Sontag herself sure as hell wasn’t.
"Sontag came out of hiding, Germaine Grier came out of hiding and suddenly people realized how interesting I am." Love her
"You'd be surprised at all of the things I don't know, because I know about a lot of other things, and I read all the time, and I don't think I'm wasting my time on what I do read, so...one can't read everything."
Across years and through cyber-screens I could actually smell Sontag release a Pâté de Foie Gras fart as she uttered that cringeworthy babble.
Her fart was horrific. The Pâté was probably quite toothsome.
@@jonathankieranwriter I SCREAMEDDDDDD SO HARD CANT CONTAIN THE LAUGHTER HELP STOP JAIL
@@punkbjorktaking the bait, shame on me, but Paglia basically said that Sontag has turned into a fossil, which she seems to confirm with this school matronly comment on Paglia and her work. She’s not paying attention to the cultural fabric anymore that she’s writing about.
@@punkbjork sorry. Don’t know if you have seen it, but „being autistic“ has kind of become a meme or sth people say when they mean they are socially distanced, super into a topic or something. Wasn’t sure if you meant it literally 😌
love when Paglia tosses her head back after she says her book had been a best seller for years, what a legend so arrogant
😂❤#iconic
This is Camile's version of "the more you ignore me, the closer I get..."
Paglia and Tarantino should have an "okay?"-off.
aries
Cocaine is a hell of a drug.
She's definitely not on drugs.
No, she's just unbearable.
maybe just too smart for you?
Yeah, that must be it Gandhi.
She could be on drugs
Paglia’s hate towards Sontag is so funny. She clearly venerated Sontag until Sontag offhandedly dismissed her, then Paglia almost instantly started waging a war against her - insisting Sontag was just jealous of her. Sontag bruised Paglia’s ego by dismissing the supposed social influence Paglia had ascribed to herself. Her hate for Sontag is a classic case of scorn emanating from rejection, from one of her idols no less. I think all Paglia’s public opprobrium of Sontag was actually a desperate attempt to capture her attention.
and even if all of this was true (and not all of it is, especially regarding the approximations of the respective cultural impacts of the two), wouldn't that just make paglia a campy queen? i mean i'd simply say "she's so real for that!"
@@mravawishes 😂😂
One of many such famous cases. Karl Marx with Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, Frank Zappa with Miles Davis, Quentin Tarantino with Jean-Luc Godard...
susan sontag: capricorn, taurus, cancer, virgo, scorpio, aquarius
camille paglia: aries, pisces, gemini, libra, sagittarius, leo
Illgr4si LOL!
Camile was fucking hilarious here. So biting and concentrated, like a laser.
I know! I love it. "I am the Sontag of the 90's"
@@laurent4122 "there's no doubt about that". Gangsta.
She's such an obvious outsider and people enjoy the fight she has in her. She's so invigorating. She's so alive with life, warmth, and honesty. I just adore her!
+Caleb Taylor Sontag or Paglia?
Paglia.
That's too bad.
Haha. You obviously disagree?
+Caleb Taylor I'm sure there are many reasons to like Camille Paglia, but this video isn't one of them. She lashes out at Sontag like someone who has been cornered, like the only way she can elevate herself is by bringing Sontag down. She comes across as a petty bully in this video.
This woman does not suffer from low self esteem, that's for sure!
agreed. and I think she HAD to point out her importance to others because otherwise they might refuse to even see it! she had to be the one to say fearless things about herself, because she was so on fire and controversial that others were going to dismiss her. I love her for that.
Interesting, because now Paglia has become what she claimed Sontag was in the early 90s. She constantly berates new music as lacking depth, criticizes modern art as solipsistic and full of nihilism, while haranguing about the digitization of art, and constantly credits her generation as everything this one isn't. She doesn't follow pop culture like she use to then. Stop me if you if you heard this one before: "I'm a product of the 60's", "I'm a Baby Boomer", "My generation was the first" and so forth. I agree with her on many points, but she's in danger of sounding as out of it and as faded as she charged Sontag with here.
+Moussaka Chaos The music today IS lacking depth- and even people in the Art World decry its solipsism.
ShikagoMale1 Not disagreeing. Just saying everything came full circle.
POPOLUAR music lacks depth. That;s more because of the corporate market than anything. Sometimes older people don;t see the REAL youth culture because it's not on TV nowadays. But there are a lot of artists youngans are listening to that older people aren't aware of because it's off the charts.
Praesepe Such is the curse of age, we often recoil in onto ourselves. When we are younger we explore everything but as we grow older, with death on our heels and nostalgia on out mind, we return only to the most significant places from our exploring days, the ones that remind us of the spirit of our youth. For example, BBC Radio 1 DJ John Peel was famous for playing obscure or new music on his show that others wouldn't touch, but throughout his life, and especially in his final decade, he often played the music he grew up with, country and rockabilly, or new music that had the spirit of his old love, hence his obsession with PJ Harvey and the White Stripes as well as Laura Cantrell, the Fall and Pavement, all of whom were inspired by the blues, country and rockabilly in some way.
+Kid Koon I think there's much more to the recoiling of ourselves than that of old age. Shielding oneself from the harshness of people and the intrusion of the external world is one. Sontag seems like such an individual; a staunch introvert with a definite idea how she wants her immediate environment to be structured around her. Paglia seems to mistake this selectivity for snobbishness and disengagement. Paglia is in many ways like Madonna. Both ruthlessly recycle other ideas from people and do so with added flair and gumption. Does this make for an interesting figure in pop music (Madonna) or syncretic academic (Paglia)? Yes. Does this make for substance? No. Both Madonna and Paglia are indebted to the original ideas of their progenitors and need a slew of gimmicks and mainstays to maintain public interest in their personas. Madonna with her cynical business savvy, changing her image to stay atop current trends, exploiting Americans’ prurient in sexuality to garner controversy. Paglia by pretending to be voice to essentially conservative sympathies without naming it as such, and identifying herself as a self-styled 60’s era Boomer dissident who is aware of the decadence caused by her generation. She sets the table for reactionary sympathies to develop in response to this decadence, but if you read into her carefully, that’s not what she advocates for, thankfully. And Paglia is always fighting against mainline feminists, while not abandoning the term altogether to describe herself with, because after all, if the solution is to defect from the movement altogether, what reason will there be to criticize? Paglia, like Madonna, is original in her presentation, which initially interested me. She presents things in a refreshing way. But Sontag is the original mother for me. I also relate to her, as a fellow introvert.
damn paglia is fast
Cocaaaaaiiiiine
Camille doesn't take drugs. She is drugs.
Speed freak
I love this video.
Sontag: I'm full of myself!
Paglia: No, I'm full of myself!
Sontag: I'm the fullest of myself!
Paglia: I, me, I, I, I!
Sontag: MEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Yes, the best kind of cat fights...
divas fr
Read about Paglia's first encounter with her at Bennington College in the 1970's in "Vamps and Tramps."
This is the funniest thing I've seen this morning
Paglia remains an insanely funny, sharp and attractive woman. This clip is simply wonderful.
+Luis Padron Funny you should mention Paglia's level of physical attraction, considering Paglia mentioned Sontag's fading attraction. Although it should come as no surprise that Paglia attracts a superficial audience.
She doesn't remain attractive; have you seen her lately? She is not funny just arrogant. Yuk!
I had no idea Camille had always been so rapid fire in her speech, but I know now!
@@JackR777 Jack the incel.
Are we not speaking English?
I don't understand why people like Camille, to me her claims of Sontag being jealous of her are embarrassing. Younger doesn't mean better. And at the end of the day, It's not a competition, intellectuals hang out and admire each other all the time. There is a reason that Sontag avoids talking about Paglia.
It's better to pretend that she doesn't know her, than saying yes i do and she is horrible.
i think Paglia was disappointed of her idol, which was Sontag, and wanted to correct her idol for her downfall...bcoz i always experience that when someone's admiring my works...xD...not to lay my arrogance, but im just making similarities
'It's too bad, because
she was once a prophet
of popular culture.' 🗝️🖋️🗡️
I think Paglia might have done a little mound of coke before that interview, her speed of thought and speech and her confidence are superhuman.
Just answer the damn question.
This is my favorite period of Camille Paglia. I even feel a retrospective affection for her here because this was the person that rocked my world. Bold, fearless, brash like a medieval warrior in chain mail. Jousting her opponents to certain doom. Heartwarming. ❤
@@johnmulligan455 If you haven't heard of her how do you 'know' she's a plain idiot?
@@johnmulligan455 I hear ya John. Thanks for responding.
Only a very good psychiatrist could begin to make sense of both of the these “geniuses”. They deserve each other.
I got "Sexual Personae" around '92 at a Brooklyn bookstore because my favorite professors were bringing it to class and reading excerpts and laughing at how brilliant and hilarious it was, particularly the chapters on American Late Romanticism and Emily DIckinson. For those who believe all this liquid gender nonsense is something new, I went to a dinner party for a poet on the Upper West Side mid-Nineties and got into a tête-à-tête with the guest of honor where I told her there are biological differences in the sexes and she gasped, wine glass in hand, and said, "You can't say that!" Camille Paglia was what Norman Mailer never had the balls to be in his debates with these harpies, he sheepishly shrugged when the feminists bashed him and tried to charm them with gentlemanly behavior. If they called him a born rapist he would just deflect with something like "But what about all the men raped in prison." Paglia just whipped it out and said "If civilization had been left in female hands, we would all be living in grass huts" and their only response was to try and pretend her away out of fear, they wanted no part of her, she would've knocked them out in mass media.
bravo, greatly put together and so true on mailer's vs. paglia's style
LOL. Publi. Intellectuals are just spectacles. They are to academi what pro wrestling is to catch wrestling.
Did I actually just watch and hear all this? Did any of this actually happen?
Words fail.
The smugness is choking me...
Choke then.
Smugness. Which was an epic avalanche of shade. All of it on point. You did notice that aspect too, yeah?
I'm sorry: from who, exactly?
@@spb7883 I'd say from both of them.
mzn y I see what you did there. 🤣 My question was in some way rhetorical, because my point is that whoever one agrees with they BOTH come across as smug. So, agreed!
This is too good to be true! By the way Paglia wrote a brilliant text on Sontag! I love both! They both created an iridescent mind-blowing ingenious body of work (Paglia‘s an edge above Sontag in my opinion)
D'you think the white race is a "cancer" too?
Sontag is lying you can see it in her microexpressions
COMPLETELY ... and I love the fennec, BTW.
....and also by her SEISMIC levels of butt hurt when the dude simply asked her to confirm a quote he came across, presumably, when he was doing research for the interview. Sontag overcooked her denial to the shithouse.
LOL!
Not so. Watch the interview with her - by the time she is in this interview she does know who she is as she's been given xeroxes with red encircling, but doesn't consider herself familiar, and genuinely hadn't heard of her three weeks earlier.
" ... and suddenly people realised just how interesting I am!"
Word perfect. However, for all her interestingness, she is still ignored and not taken seriously by the media, or academia, or mainstream feminism, or politicians, or the general public. So what is going on?
Answer: She states too many truth bombs for them all. Talk after talk, Camille laments her being ignored, her small profile.
She says there's a conspiracy against her. But I think it is because she is so self-transcendent (ie, doesn't give a shit about what anyone thinks of her) that her abrasive and (seemingly) arogant nature makes people attack or dismiss the messenger rather than attending to her incredibly incisive messages. Like so many commenters here below -- "Agh, she's so nasty" -- meaning, I can't be bothered to think through what she just said. Such a shame.
nah shes just silly lol
Spot on.
she’s giving me trisha paytas trying to ruin someone’s life energy
two trans icons
Camille Paglia is really annoying. I would be so ashamed of myself to utter even one of the many ridiculously boasting things that she said in this interview and elsewhere. I often get the feeling that she can only sustain her big flashy self when she's on the attack against everything and everyone. I prefer Sontag.
this is fucking hilarious
I like Paglia's contrarian rants - even as I often disagree with her. I think it's good to stir the pot. But, 20 years later, I still think Sontag still has the higher profile.
How many of us are as confident as her to give that self satisfied look at the end? Good for her.
*****
There's confidence and then there's conceit.
But Paglia takes it a step (or two) further right into obnoxious.
p.s. Bipolar mania can look like great confidence and the belief that one is capable of accomplishing anything. Until the mania goes away. Then life really sux.
+Martha Raymond
There's confidence and then there's delusions of grandeur.
She has just waged war on a video clip of Susan Sontag. Not a living person. A video clip.
Bravo, Camille Paglia! You just won a one-sided argument!! Standing ovation!!!
You've earned that self satisfied look!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whenever I listen to CP I set the playback speed to .75.
[“I think you should be ashamed to die if you haven't sort of done something for other people.” - Susan Sontag (born Susan Rosenblatt), 1933-2004]
I swear Camille Paglia makes hummingbirds look like sloths!
Man, if you looked at the face and hear the voice of Sontag first, and then look at Camille Paglia, it is no wonder she 'does not know her'.
She doesn't watch TV and she's not into rock? How is that a valid criticism? Is it valid to denounce someone in this generation for not surfing TH-cam and not listening to Taylor swift? That was just a ridiculous and catty thing to say.
Kyle Whitehead I think her criticism is that Sontag has distanced herself from everyday people and what is relevant to them while still claiming to be relevant and to be a voice of the people. Honestly, as much as I admire Paglia for her ideas, she also sounds very self righteous here and catty, especially at the end, and had this been my first encounter with her I fear I may not have ventured further.
if you don't use the internet in 2017 then yes you are very out of touch
"I am the Sontag of the 90's"....I alway thought Sontag was the Sontag of the 90's...
Same.
Camille Paglia claims to have had a hard time finding lovers in her youth but watching her here I cannot understand why. She's amazing
@calendarphotoscamera1 Canuck Lmao imagine writing all of that on youtube and telling someone else to get a life
where'd you find that quote?
Probably because you’d never have a chance to speak if you were dating her 😂😂
Oooh they both sound pissed.
This woman is amazing. I'll believe Feminism can deliver it's promises when I start seeing more women as strong, brash, artistic, and humourous as Paglia.
Thanks for posting this! More of this interview, please, if you have it. Any Paglia is great Paglia!
i would go lesbian for camille, and there are serious logistical problems in my way, like i'm a guy...she is just so awesome
If Paglia thinks herself really like much more brilliant than Sontag, she doesn't need to be this upset. She sounds almost losing her temper, on the contrary, Sontag still has her manner. That's Sontag's old European manner.
Would love to see the whole interview.
Sontag has far better taste in art and film than Camille imo. She was a champion of great directors like Sokurov and Tarr before it was even 'fashionable' to like them.
Sontag’s taste was highbrow, which is the realm of the intellectual elites. Paglia was more keyed into art which had an impact on the popular consciousness.
@@DeepScreenAnalysis I prefer Paglia more as a personality.
Ridiculous statement
'I am the Sontag of the 90's' ? Its almost 2020, where is Camille Paglia?
Stephen Mack she has two new major books out, where have you been!
@@cococandacraig3624
Thank you for your comment. I didn't see your comment till today Nov. 3, 2020. Paglia and Sontag share a kind of pernicious arrogance, about their self-attributed positions of 'dominance' in the arena of Cultural/Literary Politics. This recalls the jousting of American male writers of another generation, call it an exhausted stance for anyone to take, in the here and now! Or are the ego's of writers, who have gained success, subject to the same need, to cast themselves as arbiters of what is and isn't relevant, in their quest for a dominance no one can possess?
A quote from Paglia's Wikipedia page entry is revelatory:
' Michiko Kakutani, also writing for The New York Times, wrote: "Her writings on education ... are highly persuasive, just as some of her essays on the perils of regulating pornography and the puritanical excesses of the women's movement radiate a fierce common sense ... Unfortunately, Ms. Paglia has a way of undermining her more interesting arguments with flip, hyperbolic declarations"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
Regards,
StephenKMackSD
@@MrWhiskeycricket
Sorry I missed your comment. See my comment @Coco Candacraig. Thank you for your comment. Sorry for the delay!
Regards,
StephenKMackSD
In another interview she is asked about her lack of humbleness and graciousness and she said that it was a part of her personae and to try and distinct herself from the establishment from which she was fighting against. I for one love it finding it extremely effective and as she's gotten older she has cooled a little bit.
We don't all read best sellers, Camille. Susan Sontag was a genius and a humanitarian. I've always be very interested in Susan Sontag. The last time I saw Susan Sontag she was speaking "On the Pain of Others" and I could see that she was dying. Camille is such an egomaniac.
omg, camille was so hot!
Agreed.
I know.... Ahhhh. Im in love. Just discovered her. Im in my 20s so forgive me :)
To be honest, Paglia although massive in the 90s, has for one reason or another lost much of her influence and media presence today.
***** Oh come on let's be honest, she has always been hungary to be relevant and in always claims that her detractors have faded away while she is still here in the public when actually she's not that visible at all
Because she hasn't written anything major since Sexual Personae. That book is still relevant as ever though, and she still pops up frequently to criticize Tumblr Feminism.
Subversive Untermensch Well to be fair what was meant to be her second book has been dispersed in numerous articles since then so it's not like she hasn't been out there in the public giviing her views
I wouldn't be surprised that Sontag hasn't heard of Pagli nor cares who she is. Paglia can't even say anything intelligent her she just reverts to some personal attack. Well anyone can do that. She calls herself the Sontag of the 90's, but she's just a wannabe pseudo-intellectual. See, easy.
Paglia is terribly bright, a good writer, and knows which way the winds blow. And she probably came as close as anyone to supplanting Sontag -- but she still missed by a mile.
I just discovered Susan Sontag. I doubt Sontag will be ever gone.....
Sorry but Camille is right. Sontag is vague and pretentious, I'm not actually sure how intellectual she was. She was just born at the right time. Camille speaks and writes in specifics, and if you read her stuff, it's obvious she has at least been exposed to more. And I think she has more original ideas and expresses herself more clearly.
Camille Paglia has got to be one of the most annoying people on the planet. She's more famous for arguing against other theorists than for her own work. And come on, she hates the French because she can't understand them. Oh, and that was one too many homophobic hints against Foucault coming from a feminist. She was not the Sontag of the 90s, or the Sontag of ever. Her arguments against other theorists are merely oversimplifications of their work. She's good at verbal ranting, like she does in the video, and in written ranting, but afraid of thought. So, let's dismiss Sontag, and let's dismiss Butler, who she has also not-so-gracefully dissed, and all hail Camille Paglia, the go-to authority for juvenile arguing.
p.s.- I love you Susan
p.s. 2- Camille, you're just mad because you 'can't sit with her'!
I love Camille so much. 😂
“Fame is the destroyer of virtue”…
Zhuangzi
(Alan Watts said that virtue in this context is like referring to the healing virtue of a plant)
I find it really funny that the majority of the people that criticize Paglia using emotional arguments (like "she's so conceited" or "she's such a bitch") as opposed to rational disagreement (like factual opposition to something she says) are predominately women. Such a cliche response--and it feeds into this idea that women are irrational, over-emotional, and threatened by strong personalities in other women. sigh...
In every Camille Paglia interview with open phone lines, this has proven to be true. Stereotypes very clearly are not baseless, whether they pertain to race, culture, or, in this case, gender.
Is that what you've read? The problem w/ Camille Paglia is that there's so MUCH one can point to regarding rational disagreement . And Paglia often reduces her arguments to personal attacks to get attention. Calling Sontag disingenuous and an egomaniac becs Sontag had never heard of Paglia is reducing the argument to one of emotional argument.
Paglias take for instance on the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson. Becs Paglia is an admitted 'football fan' (her little aside when discussing the OJ case) she says feminism "oversimplifies" battered women's syndrome. Uh huh. She says in Nicole's case it was her partially HER fault she was brutally slaughtered becs she was 'in lust w/ the fame & money'. Talk about oversimplification. Yet she has unmitigated gall to say that feminism 'oversimplifies BWS'. Fraud and simply using outrageous statements to get attention.
I'm not saying I disagree whole cloth with EVERYthing Paglia says- but IMO - when she says s/t accurate it's just commonSens
I know the interview you are referring to and she never said Simpson was her own fault. She merely tried to shed light on the attraction women have to abusive men and also point out the need for women to take personal responsibility for actions which place them in danger (i.e. remaining with an abusive/insane spouse).
@morganblackwood People who talk that quickly are super smart, which has no bearing on whether one finds them annoying. I just try to keep up!
There's a difference between self-obsessed and unapologetic about one's accomplishments and abilities.
Paglia's self confidence isn't what's lacking in feminism (though try to get a feminist to debate you for an audience), but what makes her a...for lack of a better word..."righteous" or "right on" feminist, is her ability to be evidence-based in her thinking and conclusions, her non-ideological approach, her honesty, and the courage to put herself out there like she does. It's easy to be the kind of feminist who plays victim and hates men; it takes no courage at all. Those folks get all sorts of support, affirmation, media attention, and even laughter at men's expense.
But when you're speaking up against that type of feminist, or merely speaking out in support of men's issues, you're more likely to get silenced, at best (even as the Right to Free Speech is forgotten). It will change if we continue to take the Camille Paglias of the world more seriously. It's already happening, and the feminists in charge of academe know it, which is why they keep moving the field goal to "but men are all rapists!" and why they're making it a hostile environment for men, a tactic which isn't only being used in colleges and universities, but in society proper. Have you watched a sitcom or commercial lately? The way women are portrayed vs. the way men are portrayed.... They're vehicles for ideological teaching, and misandry is the major field of study.
We enjoy our world at the expense of men. Last time (and every single time) I looked, everything I see has been built by men with families, for the benefit of their families, and for the benefit of every single woman I see. As well as for me, and I am so grateful to them. I even tell them sometimes, like utilities workers and garbage men; they're always shocked and very happy to hear it. Why doesn't Hallmark make cards for them? Instead, they make cards absolutely denigrating men, the way the Nazis spoke about Jews. And make a killing doing it, too.
Which speaks volumes.
The very men who make our world worth living are the men who get the most hate. Talk about ungrateful. Men try so hard to please, especially women, and they do such a mind-boggling amount for everyone's benefit. Usually with a sense of humor, too. I could never marginalize men, as a group, nor hate them. What type of person would even do that? A lot of 'em, that's who!
Women and men who were of age during the advent of third wave feminism (like Paglia or Warren Farrell), aren't going to be around forever. They're late 60s/early 70s in age. Going back as far as they do, and the vast amount of knowledge and experience they possess, gives them a level of credibility, knowledge, and advice we're not likely to see again, if not for a while, than for our entire life times. We need to get to know them now, instead of later.
Seems most people are easily seduced by some sort of ideology (including, of course cultural feminism), while others of us have a knack for naturally avoiding them. Ideology is a very terrible thing. I dig how it really doesn't seem to tempt Paglia.
(I've seen several videos of her speaking.)
I just bought "Sexual Personae" and will read it when I'm done with my fifth Warren Farrell book. Looking forward to it.
'She doesn't watch TV and doesn't listen to rock music'. Yes cuz we all know THAT is what makes one a true intellectual radical feminist w/ her pulse on feminist thought. Petty is what this woman is.
Gotta make sure one gets their daily dose of the Kardashians to ensure you are a true voice for women. Lmao.
Sontag thought she was above it all when it came to the direction pop culture went. She became completely out of touch. What's wrong with analyzing reality television and other popular shows/art? It's what the masses are consuming, therefore it's very very relevant. You... are a snob. Just like Sontag. Camille is right.
Camille is absolutely right about her impact, her place in the panorama of literary figures, her reflection of the era in which she lived, etc, all that. It's all true. My main concern is who will be the ones who will replace her? I can't see anyone with the breadth of knowledge and awareness and sheer brute force to surpass her. Who is going to be strong enough to point out weaknesses and flaws in her ideas? I'm scared to death that it will be nobody.
I don't blame you. I have to say that a woman like Paglia does not come around very often, that's for sure.
@Buirgenstock In my opinion, Paglia's reputation rests on "Sexual Personae" (quite a book!) & "Break, Blow, Burn", & then there are those fantastic essays on Arion. True, she may be riding in the coattails of her magnus opus of 20 years ago, & which may have contributed to the cultural advancement from then to now. To understand Paglia is not merely to read her books, but to give a proper reading of her own public & television appearances...
Paglia's still relevant.
I worship this woman!!! You go girl!
This is like the Bette Davis / Joan Crawford feud. LOL Turn it into a Netflix series!
Susan Sontag was very thoughtful to wear her hospital scrubs ready for Camille Paglia to kick her ass on the air.
'Sexual Personae' 1990...Camille Paglia....one of best books i have read...
Sontag does NOT come off well here.
What Paglia doesn't realize is that she is no Susan Sontag. Paglia has a lot of nerve to call Sontag snooty.
She says Sontag became very snobbish yet she herself was very snobbish here that was the whole air she was emitting in this clip.
I have no idea who these authors are and I don’t belong here but I had to say it.
So that's where Mariah Carey got the idea to diss J-Lo -- jk lmao
Thank God Sontag has been reckoned the intellectual superior to this woman by time and lasting culture. Sontag is brilliant, Volcano Lover is brilliant, and Sontag would never respond so rudely as this woman did to having her intellectual celebrity questioned. Paglia may have been the Sontag of the 90's, but Sontag is the Sontag of history, and I am happy to join Sontag in also stating, I've never heard of Paglia. Sontag led me here, and it's here that my interest in Paglia ends. I'd much rather listen to Sontag speak on topics of relevance, rather than Paglia speak about... herself.
I don't know who any of these women are and I don't watch reality tv but this is better than that!
"She's being passed by a younger rival..."
As if Paglia is passing Sontag in 1993. Or ever. She's so deluded that she calls herself "the Sontag of the 90s" and compares herself to Mary McCarthy and Dorothy Parker!
And then she proceeds to call into question Sontag's beauty and level of interest, as if the two were somehow connected! Some feminist she turned out to be.
+Matthew Mousseau Her prose & ideas will outlive Susan Sontag's...
+ShikagoMale1 That seems unlikely.
Susan Sontag is the subject of a recent documentary (sontagfilm.org/) and a collection of her essays was recently published by the Library of America (www.loa.org/books/392-essays-of-the-1960s-70s).
These are two pieces of evidence that attest to the immortality of Susan Sontag's legacy.
Camille Paglia, on the other hand, is already fading into obscurity.
+ShikagoMale1 Her prose and ideas have already not outlived Sontag's. How can anyone who actually reads and thinks watch an interview like this and not feel that you're watching the weird Aunty in the Kardashian family dishing gossip - its trite. And its too bad as she occasionally said a few good things, a few sentences sandwiched between the bulk of blah blah and narcissism.
Please. Paglia exposed Sontag as the overly comfy, bourgeois slice of Capitulation Pie that she had become, at the time. Camille is a prophet, pure and (perhaps-not-so) simple. The establishment fembots have always feared Truth-tellers and they always will.
Paglia's so-called "exposé" consists of a few shallow denunciations:
"She became very snobbish, and began chasing after these male European writers..."
"She lost the cultural centrality that she had..."
"Sontag belong to the generation before WW2. She doesn't watch TV, she's not into rock, and she's been passed..."
Doesn't sound very conclusive, does it? Paglia's criticism of Sontag is juvenile, superficial, and a transparent attempt to elevate herself.
"The establishment fembots..." Are you serious? I'm not even sure who you're trying to offend here. You outlandish statement could just as easily be applied to Paglia.
did i just watch somebody stutter out a wrestling promo?
fucking hilarious
To BE the woman, you've got to BEAT the woman (figuratively speaking) ... and Susan hasn't done that! WHOOOOOOOOOO! ;-)
Someone like Paglia is blatantly and patently outmatched by a thinker, writer and public figure of such high calibre like Susan Sontag!
The greatest feminist of the past thirty years is Camille Paglia.
Non intellectual cis man here. The first time I came across Sontag was in Nassim Talebs book “Skin in the Game”. Go look up what he said about her, it’s very telling about who Sontag was.
i LOVE CAMILLE WHEN TALKING ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS SHE SAID MEN YOU NEED TO GET IT UP AND WOMEN YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH IT. I STOOD UP AND CHEERED. THAT WAS YEARS AGO
"I am the Sontag of the 90s, there is no doubt." This narcissist is unbearable.
+R Yokoe She's self-aware about that. Paglia is absolutely wrong on several issues, but she's also sometimes the only person with the balls to speak the truth. Enough of the feminist authoritarian establishment attacking their opponents' character!
ChernobylPizza I don't know if she's right or wrong on anything, but I was only remarking on her juvenile response in this video.
+R Yokoe She does tend to do things a bit tongue & cheek when she gets riled up to evoke a response. Both her and Sontag are excellent and I think they both recognize that under the hood.
Self-awareness and honesty outside of social graces should not be unbearable to the self-aware and honest mind tbh
jackieeffinbrown No, YOU are unbearable!
Great that Camille understands the importance of popular culture
I do not dislike Paglia, though one wonders what could have made her the "Susan Sontag of the 90s" given that Paglia's most influential book of that decade was roundly attacked and condemned by feminist critics.
+MinamuTV That's the point. Sontag began as a famous dissident. Paglia was a famous dissident of the 90s and continues to be one today along with people like Milo Yiannopoulos.
Being lauded by your peers is often the marker of writing that will not remain relevant after a decade or so. Paglia's work is timeless and only grows in significance as time passes.
Rose Red I hope that my comment didn't leave the impression that I am a critic of Paglia's work, or unaware of the relationship between brilliance and one's being initially misunderstood. Paglia is one of the intellectuals I most follow, and she has been right about many things. My intended argument was simply that Sontag arguably never wrote anything quite as divisive as _Sexual Personae_.
Yes. Because she handed those "feminist critics" their asses in a paper sack and showed them to the door.
@@subversiveuntermensch3866 Being in the company of Milo is not the compliment you think it is
TH-cam needs a heart react icon.
"she doesn't listen to rock... she has been passed..." LOL.. Sontag does come off as snobbish and in denial of Paglia's presence...
Susan Sontag, for all her brilliance, was an indefatigably belligerent, and ungenerous interlocutor. At once pretentious and defensive, she sadly embodied the kind of strident and overdetermined self-assertion that fulfills the stereotype of the contemptuous feminist, which is unfortunate because she had so much to offer intellectually. She always seems locked into an obdurate resistance to experience or interpretation beyond her own measured probing.
Camille, on the other hand, as intense, self-selling, and witheringly sarcastic as she sometimes is, exudes real passion, understands that humor and play are more transgressive than menace, and seems to celebrate the sexiness of engaging with art and ideas.
I love Camille. She was great then and remains so. She had Sontag to a T. "From Avant-garde in the 1970's to toast of the bourgosie of the 90's" is perfect. Confirmation of Sontag's decline was her propping-up of other failed feminist writers like Naomi Wolf.
+C.R Jones Agree but no doubt Sontag was excellent in her day as well. I think they both have added a lot of value throughout the years. The rift between them seems like the female version of Buckley & Hitchens both at times could be brilliant even if I wouldn't always agree
Camille is definitely a sage.
Camille is always interesting and enlightening even though she pisses me off and I disagree with her often (her more recent Salon articles have been particularly disappointing). Kids of today must read her work and form their own opinions. This posturing "who the hell is Paglia" crap only reveals your own insular awareness. She knocked the feminist and cultural establishment on its ass!!!
What a snot Sontag really was comes through here.
Man, Paglia is so pressed.
I would agree that Greer lost the plot, her recent comments about former Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard's - ( first female Australian Prime Minister ) - bum being "big", really shattered her importance for me, in fact i thought she was a complete fool when i saw the interview in which she made the comment. Susan Sontag is deliberately serious, if you read her work, her diary entries, you can see she has a sense of humor. Just not an overly indulgent or attention seeking one.
geez. camilla paglia of 90s was so bitter and delusional.
top 10 favorite interview clips, easily
Paglia is adorably narcissistic.