Sony Xperia 1 VI | Rise and fall of the Photographer's Smartphone | Xiaomi 14 Ultra Shootout
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- You guys were very vocal ! you wanted me to try out the Xperia 1 VI despite my reservations in my video last month... your wish is granted !
I put the Sony Xperia 1 VI against the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, 2 of the biggest camera smartphone flagships in 2024 so far !
Is the new telephoto module better than last year's ? have they improved the photo app ? is the new macro mode life changing ? answers in the video !
As always let me know what you guys think in the comments section and if you own the xperia 1 VI what are your thoughts? yay or nay ?
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00:00 - Intro
00:59 - Bokeh / Portrait mode
04:11 - Basic / Automatic Mode
09:35 - Lowlight Basic / Automatic Mode
11:35 - Macro Mode
14:27 - RAW manual mode
18:47 - Final Thoughts - บันเทิง
Sony phones in the photography department will never have the same result as the other smartphones because Sony does not use AI on the image processing side and again this is wrong because the AI post processing photos come out overexposed vibrant colors and oversaturated night is not night anymore but more days and the proses are mostly unnatural fakes that reflect in the eyes. The devices from Sony do not do this and the resulting photos are closer to a mirrorless camera, when exposed to colors, contrast, image noise, etc. it's much closer to a Sony Alpha, Canon or Nikon than an iPhone, Xiaomi or Samsung.... You can test this.
Well I'm afraid to tell you they do use AI ! Look at that photo of the main sensor where the Xperia 1VI reconstructed that tree and looks like it was made out of Lego ! Something the Xiaomi doesn't do ! So unfortunately this argument does not stand.
@@UpsideLens then we could say than the Xperia 1 V is still the better overall photography phone? Even better than the new Sony lytia phones (Xiaomi, Vivo, OPPO) because of their IA and postprocesing?
@birginvlackable I have done a Xperia 1 V Vs Xiaomi 14 Ultra video, the answer is again the Xperia sensors are just too small to compete with the rest of the pack. As soon as you turn manual pro mode on, its just night and day difference.
@@UpsideLens Sony does use AI to process images, but they only handle a few cases and are not as optimized and powerful as their competitors. Or basically the software is not complete yet.
Xperia 1 VI is considered a generation change in Sony's approach by making it closer to mass users. I hope generation VII will have major changes in terms of larger sensors and more complete software when shipped. I heard rumors that Sony will change the design next year and have a major upgrade in 2025.
I'm also impressed with Sony as they stick to the smartphone market for a long time despite their poor business.
For bokeh mode Sony did not turn ON HDR. The motorbike photo for the 24mm lens the Xperia 1VI did better. Macro wise same. Xperia 1VI did better.
Ok 👍👍👍
Yes, on the helmet there are much more colours on Sony's foto! Sony 1 vi probably has better main senzor.
You know what I want? I just want a sony xperia 5 v with the camera specs of the sony rx100 vii, that's it
That'd be a thicc(k) phone indeed 😅👍
The most frustrating is and I have seen this done for many years (like you said) Sony sell the largest and BEST sensors (like on the XIAOMI 14 ultra) for the competition (which contains one inch type sensors)-but on sony's own products we get 2nd or third best sensor and never the first. It is as though Xperia intentionally CRIPPLE their own flagship phones in order to sell their best sensors to the competition. SHAME sony FOR SHAME!"
It is truly a shame we'll just have to wait and see what their next move is 🤷
@@UpsideLens I'm not sure if Xperia can get us back to be honest. It will take a few years and hard work
Exactly! That’s been one of my biggest gripes with Sony devices.
I don't want to be mean to Sony but this is just fact, I can't remember any really good cameras from then since Sony Ericsson Kxxx lineup ends, even if I hadsome Sony Xperias after that but they never standing out in terms of cameras to the competition even if competitors use Sony sensora
Yes past Xperia 1 and 5 line can shoot really good and nice images, but you neet to shoot it in manual and edit later, but in point and shoot capabilities I don't think Sony can make it even in top 3 since SE kxxx times...
@@konkurentLC I'm more of a videographer than photo and here is a nice tip. Those who video on auto are totally insane (speaking frankly) as no matter what equipment or phone you have, you are likely to encounter rolling shutter also unnatural movement of the subject. So rule of thumb is that you must follow the rule of two. That is : set your SHUTTER speed to twice your frame rate. That is 30 fps 1/60th of a second and 60 fps 1/120th of a sec etc. Your Samsung user will NEVER know this as they are used to doing it on auto. Now following the rule of two outside will lead to over exposure and so this is where one of the many advantages of a ND filter comes in. Your Samsung /apple auto users will never know this rule of two and even in auto it never does this. So unless you are vlogging the rule of two is the way to go and I thank SONY for this in increasing my knowledge as being forced to do things manually, makes you better as a person as it forces one to suffer the learning curve to adapt to change . I am a IMDB credited actor and now I'm ready to go behind the camera too to film. I thank Sony Xperia for that.
The low light picture of the motorbike seems just out of focus… I am quite satisfied with my Xperia M6, the criticism about having 2 12 megapixel sensors and one 48, I find justified. It’ weaknesses when taking photos for example. But some concern just software, so an update in the future should solve this. However, something to highlight is its extraordinary long battery life, the macro mode, the optical zoom - I know, it s not perfect, but it’s there and great fun, and its great anti-slippery surface.
PS the super DAC, die easy SIM access through your fingernail, etc. not to be forgotten... and... It integrates perfectly with my Sony A7M4.
been liking Sony products for a long time, this time many have been dissappointed by sony.
Agreed totally
I'm literally in the same boat ! Before the announcement I was rather pumped up and ready for the VI but they literally butchered it, well at least from a photographers point of view ! Some might say who cares but the fact they still used the word ALPHA when up selling the VI just doesn't sit right with me !
I am a video user. The photography is secondary. I do need the sd card, the headphone jack and I love the lack of a notch or cutout and HATE that in all other phones. I would like to see a video comparison between this phone and other top flagships. You made some very important points here and I will be addressing this on my channel...when it finally launches. Thanks mate...perhaps if Sony does a mark 2 of the Pro i we could see these issues resolved...at a price.
As a video user currently (and until/if Sony releases the pro video part of the app) the VI is mediocre at best if you prioritise the video aspect as it will apply all the post processing you really don't want (HDR / sharpening / saturation....) on the Xiaomi , yes I know you don't have an SD card slot (headphones jack well you can always use Bluetooth headset or use USB C adapter) BUT you are spoilt for choice when it comes to video !!! You can record 4K 10bit LOG if you want, in any colour space your heart desires (via mcpro24fps) and you can even record RAW video up to 4K60 14bit using Motion Cam.... Something no Xperia can match !!! And if course the beauty of it all is that you bypass the ISP and don't get any nasty post processing !
@@UpsideLens Thanks for acknowledging this comment. I never can tell if they can be seen even by the creators of channels as I am being heavily censored by this platform. Cheers.
Not that into photography but looking at getting this phone for jack and SD. Just wanted to say superb review.
Thanks really appreciate, as I said in the video as an all rounder and for casual use it's an absolutely stunning phone (an expensive one tho it has to be said...) but you will definitely enjoy it for its various additions you don't necessarily find on other phones, enjoy 👍
How do they make the same sensor and lens for main look worse? That's disappointing. I knew that the telephoto was bad so I bought the 5v but my 5v has better image quality than the current flagship on the main sensor?...
I think a lot is due to early software and hopefully things will improve as I was left rather puzzled by how bad the raw files were in terms of noise. The telephoto didn't surprise me as last year's V already had the same issue and until they decide on changing the tech/design of the periscope zoom things will remain the same.
@@UpsideLens I thought that they would at least use the previous generation main lens processing as the starting point. Hopefully it's all fixed soon though
Yeah not sure either what is going on with the main sensor, I also would have thought they would improve on it not the other around... Saying that they've been messing so much with the core app that who knows what they broke in the process 😅 saying that viewed at normal distance without zooming in and grading it properly the results would still be decent.
I was mostly very disappointed by the display resolution and aspect ratio, and Xiaomi 14 Ultra also has the display that is acceptable: 3200x1440 20:9 compared to 1 VI 2340x1080 19.5:9.
Seeing that the camera is no better than 1 V (thanks for that) makes it easier for me to buy something else. Only if Xiaomi 14 Ultra looked better, it looks horrible. That's something that Xperia still has.
I was planning to buy the xperia 1 vi, but the telephoto sensor was a letdown, the sensor size is even smaller than the selfie cam.
I mean take it for what it's worth, it's a good all rounder phone it just depends on your needs, if you're an avid photographer then no, if you're just a casual shooter and the rest of the specs outweigh the camera aspect then go for it 👍
Sony Xperia 1 VI may not the "best", but it is the only camera phone I would buy. Because I will never again buy a camera phone which I can't hold with one hand or see in sunlight or shoot all day without a powerbank. That is absolutely non-negotiable. That rules out everything except Xperia 1 VI. I'm absolutely aware of the price and of the tele quality.
I am suspecting however Sony will issue a Pro-I with better lenses.
Whatever suits your needs mate, absolutely agree the battery life is good 👍
@@UpsideLens exactly, whatever suits one. I'm just sorry that seemingly no one criticises those camera flagships for their real purpose: being always available point and shoot camera. without battery, you have neither a phone nor a camera. without bright screen, you don't have a camera on a sunny day. being too large to put it in your usual smartphone pocket, it ceases to be always available.
@@user-nt5kg9dh7k but which 2024 flagship is not capable of that? I understand that size is about personal preference but it's also depends on size of the hands and pockets, last week I was on wedding with my Xiaomi 14 Ultra which is quite bulky but still smaller than my older Note 20 Ultra and it fits perfectly even in my suit pants pocket, yes battery is weaker than one in Xperia 1 VI, but I disconnected it from charger about 2:30 PM in car takes more than 1300 pics during wedding and go to sleep around 4:00 AM still with more than 20% of battery, screen is also brighter than one in Xperia 1 VI (had it for about week)
And best part? When I edit that shots another day and share it with bride and she share it with her family people was thinking that this was shots from payd photographer which was there and they don't understand how he deliver photos so quickly. And it wasn't shots from sunny outside, it was shots from dimmed inside from first dance, cake cutting and dancing with really not ideal lighting contition and most shots I make only from my seat on telephoto lenses...
@@user-nt5kg9dh7k I totally agree with every word you say. That's why I get a Xperia 5 IV.
I upgraded from Sony Xperia 1 v to 1 vi . Tele lens is not good . otherwise I like it )
Hey bro what's your primary device 🤔
The other phone is this video, the Xiaomi 14 ultra 👍
@@UpsideLens can you guess what am I using
@@UpsideLens it's Mi Mix fold 3
Back when the 1 inch IMX989 Sony sensor was released i was almost sure the Xperie 1 IV was going to get it since Sony claimed it was made for flagship smartphones and the Ultra 12s got it, but then was disappointed that it didn’t. Then a year later i was sure they were finally going to put that 1 inch sensor into the 1 V, yet again they didn’t and instead came up with that new stacked transistor technology so i gave them a pass. Then Sony presented the LYT-900 and yet again claimed it was made for flag ship smartphones, so i thought this time for sure it was going to come to the Xperia 1 VI, maybe even paired with that stacked transistor tech that would make it by far the best smartphone sensor, most light sensitive and best dynamic range. That would be a true flagship and what we deserved for that price…just to find Sony not upgrading any of their 3 sensors for the 1 VI at all!!!
Its honestly been exhausting watching Sony not give their “flagship” phone actual flagship hardware but charge flagship $.
Only thing holding me from buying a Xiaomi 14 Ultra is the security concerns and other stuff behind the company. If that Xiaomi 14 Ultra came as it is, just from Sony with their badge on it, i’d buy it asap !
Absolutely agree, shame they seem to just make money off licencing and selling their tech to other manufacturers rather than putting it to good use in their own phones 🙄 now as an aside the LYT900 is a stacked sensor too 👍
Have you checked out xiaomi 14 civi.
If someone sends it to me I'll check it out 😉
I've got a 1 IV and a 1 V, but it'll definitely be the last Sony I'll buy. One of the reasons I went with Sony was their camera app. It was above and beyond anything Samsung and other brands offered, and now they've completely butchered it. What's most annoying though, is that once a new model is out, Sony completely ignores the previous models. If you want new software features, such as 48MP mode, 2.0 x mode, etc, you'll have to buy the new model. And no chinese gadgets for me thanks. So I'm stuck with the king of bloatware, Samsung, or Google Pixel :-D Too bad Sony...
Waiting pro 2
What have they done to the ISP or image processor? They should have aimed to improve it, not make it worse.
By the way, I don't think they will ever use the Lytia on the Xperia, as they typically only use custom sensors. They may have something planned to change the game by the end of this year or in 2025, especially since they didn't sell Xperia in the US this time around. It seems they are sticking with older hardware on the 1 VI, possibly saving something special for their next flagship. (Just my conspiracy theory, haha)
Xiaomi has been doing this for years, buying the biggest and the best sensors from other manufacturers. I have an old Mi 10T Pro midranger with a flagship sensor from Samsung that records native 6k60 in 10bit in Filmic (not the interpolated 8k that many Androids offer).
It's just the stock software was never great. But now with Leica, their colors are so much better than before.
With newer Huaweis showing so much sharpening, I might be switching over if I can find a good deal on a 14 Ultra.
Why are people blindly saying that Xperia is "the best"? This is quite possibly the most honest and constructive comparison I've come across. I swear everyone is just blindly shilling for multi-billion corporations.
Do you have any recommendations for other camera phones? I'm a hobby photographer, but would like to film a lot of video guitar related content, and would love a great all rounder. I have a Samsung note 10+, but it kills me with how grainy it is. I was looking at Xperia 1 V as it's around 700$ new rn, but after seeing how the sensors stack up against the current gen and how grainy the video footage is, I am not so sure anymore.
Thanks for all your work mate
Fanboyism that's all it is unfortunately. I had the 1V and it is a cracking phone, video is not bad and actually pretty good if ISO is kept low and there isn't too much movement. But if you want to go all out, with the Xiaomi 14 ultra you can record up to 4K60 RAW video via ,3rd party software, or record Prores or record in 10bit 4K LOG again all via 3rd party softwares (motion cam or mcpro24fps) it is a beast when it comes to video.
Here in China, the price of 1 mark v literally increased after the launch of 1 vi.
But I'm sure the sales of 1 VI will not be as bad as 1V. when the price is a bit cheaper, and many things are more friendly to normal users. Even though it's not as comprehensive as 1V
@tekiquang3995 I don't know... So far it's not getting raving reviews (at least not from paid reviewers anyway) and you also have to remember they're not selling their phones in the US anymore !! So I don't know, we'll have to wait and see their sales figures later this year
Amazing video. Will you be reviewing the vivo x100 ultra at any point in the future?
Hi thank you, I really appreciate 😊 unfortunately unless someone wants to send me one I will not be reviewing it as it isn't a global variant.
@@UpsideLens thats understandable, hope vivo sees your videos, they are missing out!
Ahhhh if only 😅👍
i feel like they're intentionally crippling their smartphone line in order to not cannibalize their camera line, especially the ZV line that's marketed as a vloggers' camera upgrade. more cameras sold, more lenses to be sold too. maybe Sony realized there are content creators who prefer smartphones over dedicated cameras for a number of reasons (weather-sealing, portability, ease of file-sharing, etc.).
i wanted to pick up the Xperia 1VI to replace my IP13Pro but after looking at the price/spec and the rather outdated-feeling UI (even for an iPhone user), i changed my mind lol.
Good thing that you highlighted about tele camera sensor. They should use bigger sensor or better software processing to get better result. But i believe if sony can fit in bigger sensor to their tele camera they would have done it. I think they do not want to sacrifice the phone thickness or camera bump. It is Sony being Sony. And it will not fair to compare 1vI image quality with others phone 1" sensor. May be you try to compare image quality of this Xiaomi phone with 2021 Xperia Pro-I main camera in raw file(shot in manual mode) . See which is better 1" to 1".
My only complain to 1VI is price. If they want to gain more casual user they need to resuce the price. Other than that the phone is fantastic. And to fully utilize the 1VI camera setup, ones just need the skill.
I completely get your point and your frustration but I do think it is fair to compare it to the competition ! When you tout your product as the end game photography product (they keep throwing the ALPHA brand in their marketing !) and you price it HIGHER than those with much better hardware, one has to wonder if it is worth it hence the comparison. If we were talking about a £500/$600 phone id say fair enough, you wouldnt see me comparing a nothing phone to the Xiaomi for example but here I think it is completely acceptable to compare them. Besides the point of this video really was to highlight the massive issues and flaws the VI has in the hope Sony wakes up and start fixing what they've broke.
I have the xperia 1 iii and was waiting for an update in hardware, specially on the telephoto sensors and when the mark vi was presented I was so disappointed. Did some research and finally decided to get the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, its sensors are Sony too, but better. I'll take a look for sony again further if they decide to build an actual flagship, they have really good sensors, I just don't know why they don't use them on their own phones.
It might be that's it's more profitable for them to licence out their own tech than actually using it in their smartphone, don't know just a theory but absolutely agree, until and if Sony decides to do a 360 on this fiasco they've lost me as a customer. Shame as I loved the 1 V so much !
@@UpsideLens same here, they've lost me as a costumer, another thing that I disliked from the new Xp 1 mark Vi was the new Pro interface, I like better the one that resembles the Alpha line like they did up to mark V. If I'm gonna loose that, the screen resolution, using the same telephoto sensors : I'm moving to Xiaomi 14U, just ordered one a couple of days ago.
Not gonna lie, I'll miss Sony's side fingerprint sensor and dedicated shutter button, I'm so accostumed to that for opening the camera app quickly.
Yes totally agree with you on the UI it was a shock to the system and some choices seem completely idiotic ! The way to switch between the variable zoom is just so counter intuitive ! I'm sure you'll have a great time with the Xiaomi, it's not perfect don't get me wrong but it does things much better where it really matters 👍
@@jchinchilla.rdouble press on volume down button and you are in camera, even faster than long press of shutter button on Xperia
And for fingerprint sensor, after some time you get use to it and then you find it way more comfortable than side button that you will never want to come back to side fingerprint, with face unlock possibility it is just so simple unlock phone in any kind of situation (laying on desk, in car holder...)
@@konkurentLC awesome! , thanks for that tip, I wasn't aware there was a way of getting to the camera directly from hardware, those are good news. Regarding the fingerprint sensor, I agree, it's a matter of time to get use to it, but the double press on volume down to use the camera is nice to know. Thanks.
It's baffling that sony makes the sensors for almost every other manufacturer but they themselves still use these crappy ones and expect us to pay flagship money. Not even mentioning the lower resolution screen, processor throttling and lack of software features to justify the price
I know mate, I have said it before, it's embarrassing and frustrating at the same time watching them destroy the Xperia brand 😞
Are you reviewing Xperia 1 VI or Xperia 1 V.
In Whole Video Your are Continuously Saying Xperia 1 V.???
Something is Fishy... 🤨
Yes I'm comparing the VI to also the V that I had previously ! What's fishy about that lol
Sorry matey you are talking codswallop:) The OP is mentioning the 1 V as that was the LAST Great phone that sony ever did (except the poor telephoto performance) and considering that the 1V is THAT GOOD (for its time) in many ways the 1 VI is a HUGE downgrade and frankly an insult to Sony Xperia Fans. The only one that is fishy right nbow is Xperia attempting to sell us a VASTLY inferior product.
Weird about the mushines. The mark 6 has the 8 Gen 3...faster! It should be better!
Nothing to do with the SOC, it's the combination of optics and sensors here that are the issue.
@@UpsideLens Interesting. Do you think this might impact video also?
Whelp. Even my Xperia 1 ii can have better photos on telephoto lens with a quick lightroom processing. Gotta wait for 1 vii then
I think it may be a little early still and hopefully it will improve with updates but I was very underwhelmed by the results as it currently stands.
I jumped from the Xperia 1 ii to 1VI, and trust me, on Xperia 1 ii you can't. However, @upsidelens didn't said what zoom level was using. Somewhere between 3.5x and 5x, you get pretty decent photos. For Bokeh, use 2x for better rezults. Never set the Bokeh level more than 70% and you get much better photos. You need to learn a little the settings, to get much better shots. Under exposing a little the photos, will get you better results!
@@AndreiVadan yeah i bought a used xperia 1 ii for $150 a year ago and already expecting a mediocre quality on auto mode but i did take a lot of awesome shots on Photo Pro. And yes on zoom lens underexposing is the way to go. Still envious to see ppl using 1 vi tho. It's still a quality device
Sometimes I wonder if they're borked the detail on the raws to push people to the 48mpx, which is just in a different league detail-wise. But the problem with the 48mpx is processing time and shutter lag (varying depending on the complexity of the shot) and what you see isn't even what you get from the 12mpx in terms of HDR. And, of course, it's still a jpeg. A straight full rez raw could be delivered faster and would always be better. Perplexing.
Nah 48mp is not that much better, I mean in ideal light it's fine but less than perfect condition and it falls apart very quick ! I did test it and got a few samples that day, nothing to shout about, 48mp on Xperia or 50mp on Xiaomi (in raw though) still not that great, there's a reason the pixels are binned. Individual pixels are just too small to gather enough light and since the said pixels are doing a different job they were intended in doing originally (quad bayer ) they tend to not be so accurate.... So "full" sensor data is not the way forward with these types of sensors.
Sony will drag at certain all the user to remain them to use manually not ai processing so that everyone knows the real photography
Unfortunately Sony has made it very unfriendly to shoot in manual in the latest 1 VI the software is just awful. They should have kept the photo pro app which was like you say for the "real photography" now the new Xperia is not for photographers anymore !
@@UpsideLens I noticed that one aswell hope the they are listening and reading what we say at least they deliver later in future system update but I'm very happy they keep things classic ajd they listen the customer at least they aren't like apple
You are not wrong with the Xperia 1 VI's zoom sensor + lens combo. You can feel the obsoleteness of the sensor and the softness from the lens. People expected Sony to replace the telephoto sensor since it's the new 1 series, but they only increased the range, not even improving the sharpness of the lens.
That is indeed what I witnessed myself, but made even worse somehow than it was on last year's 1 V !
@@UpsideLens my only suspect would be, that they spent a lot of the budget this year for a new Xperia Pro-I phone.
Well, coming from an iPhone my approach to this phone has been a bit different (I have never had a Sony before).
1) On iPhones, the image processing is most aggressive, you can only avoid this by shooting real RAW. But: You can't properly shoot RAW at all (not ProRAW!). The display will always show you a correct exposure, even histogram and zebras, but your result will be underexposed. It is like guessing and puzzling step by step to get a correctly exposed RAW. On the Sony, that is not a problem. It's like setting up your camera, it gives you what you see, even though the quality of the RAW surprisingly is better on the iPhone. On the Sony it looks a lot like vintage, a bit blurred, rather soft. Still you can get some decent images. If I want top quality, I will aim for my A7R III nevertheless. But if you want to be on a small setup without a bag or anything, it is beneficial to have a phone that will do what you want and not follow its own agenda like all these computational dummies.
2) Concerning JPG-shooting: I have a feeling like they increased sharpening over the 1 V which looked softer and more natural in terms of photos. I guess that has to do with their approach to get all the apps in one while giving social media shooters a more ready to upload image (which is what Apple and Samsung to, thus robbing the Xperia's strengths by increasing sharpness, saturation and contrast). Unfortunately, the 1 V is not an option for me because the 21:9 aspect ratio is rather useless for me and I need battery over display resolution.
3) Video is where it gets REALLY interesting. iPhone video footage is really ugly, it has a lot more contrast than necessary, it is VERY HDR-ish, it is always sharpened too much and colours are unrealistic, too. It just looks fake. What you get with S-Cinetone on the Sony is most impressive. It gives you superb colours and a rather soft, natural image. Has been a pleasure to record video with this for the first time since iPhone 8+. Stabilization is absolutely perfect even at 4k60 which makes it a very good companion on the go. A sweet spot that my a7R III is weak at: capturing 4K handheld while walking. ;))
4) general observation: Using these lenses feels a lot more like optics than it does with the iPhone. On a 24mm FF lens, if you get very close to your subject, you will have blurred background no matter if you are at f1.4 or f4, it is just the way optics work. With an iPhone, you will still have nearly everything in focus which doesn't make sense and looks idiotic.
Just a few thoughts because I was evaluating these files today, too.
Thanks for your insight on the iPhone Vs Xperia. Totally agree with you that iPhones raw are way too processed and defeats the point of shooting RAW in the first place. In terms of video I'll disagree to a point. If making use of prores and LOG you can end up with some very very clean footage, and arguably much cleaner than any Xperia can give you (I'd know I had the V too and used it to record all my talking shots with it for the videos) now for a step further in terms of video, the Xiaomi can completely destroy iPhone and most DSLR cameras as it has the ability (albeit with 3rd party software) to shoot up to 14bit 4K60 RAW video, RAW ! alternatively you can also shoot LOG and at over 200mbps with a wide range of colour gamuts, something you really can't achieve on an Xperia. Time will tell what Sony brings with the so promised pro video app whenever that shows up
@@UpsideLens Well, that is an argument I read a lot these days, however it is not really what I consider a solution. I'll tell you why:
There is two sides to this, 1) potential pro-users who know how to deal with it and really want to do so, and 2) normal consumers who just want to take photos and videos as memories of whatsoever, a trip, the holidays, family .. I don't know.
If we take into account that most people who shoot exclusively on phones belong into category 2), we have to sum up: they don't really know how to work with log. And working with Log isn't easy; it's not always most difficult, but depending on your type of Log and your scenes, this will be a procedure of quite some time. You know how to deal with it probably, I know that to a certain amount, too, but most people using a phone as recording device want their footage more or less ready out of the box. Log is the opposite. Log is great, that is for sure (since I saw what a huge difference there is in dynamic range between Cine2 and Slog2/3, I really try to work into that), but Log isn't ready, it costs time and research (= to acquire the knowledge how to work with it), depending on your platform the usable applications to make a good edit may even be quite expensive. If you have 200 videos of your vacation, I guess nobody wants to spend 4 weeks to grade these files. That just isn't the point of it: it isn't work or art, it is more of a documentary style which has to be captured and that's it.
That is where I see Xperia/S-Cinetone for video: If you want this spot between "crap/unnatural/fake" (iPhone/Samsung etc.) and "do all the work yourself" (let's say "typical A7S III user" :D), that is what I thought of with my 3) aspect above.
Plus: ProRes produces huge files and if you shoot Log you will want as much information as possible so this enters into a second iPhone minus: internal storage is very expensive. SD slots on the Xperia are relatively slow in comparison to the NAND or whatever they build into these phones nowadays, but it is within the same device, no adapter, cable, external drive or whatsoever that you have to fizzle in on the go while being attacked by angry wasps. Not to speak of the ressources of your computer to handle these huge files etc.
If I were to shoot log, I probably wouldn't do that on a phone at all because I would want a lot better lenses (the least I would want my video to be on would be a 24mm, I would rather go for a 35mm), more 3-dimensional optics, a proper grip, bottons to control the recording etc. It is for sure beneficial to have a phone being able to do that if your overkill DLSM isn't there with you, but that's a not a priority from this standpoint for me. I rather see phones as group 2) does as long as they give me certain versatility (= don't ruin my footage right away by their AI).
I don't understand why whese computational companies can't just introduce an option how you want your image to be processed: every basic compact camera can do that. These phones are so smart, they have to die in smartness, adding more and more on top, HDR, Deep Fusion, Tone mapping, ProRAW, Apple Log, etc. pp. That's a lot of stuff for a simple "problem": just let us turn down your sharpening and contrast and it will save all of us a lot of time.
The answer to your question is simple, average Joe wants processed videos that are ultra sharp bright and HDRified, MKBHD blind tests have proved that many times over, people just vote for the brightest, sharpest and most saturated media, that's your answer. On one hand you want nice and easy for everyone and that's the answer from phone manufacturers. It would seem you can't have your cake and eat it. There's no magic if you want nice looking footage you have to out in the work, just like photos, a grade and an edit goes a long way. LOG in itself doesn't have to be mindbogglingly hard to edit, all you have to do if you want is record log and conversation REC709, and you're done. You got the benefits of having a wider dynamic range but just shooting LOG. Of course you can then grade your footage to death and like you said not many people will do that but again even if you shot 200 videos on your phone you can directly record in RAW video and encode in H265 LOG and convert straight to REC709 at the press of a button.... Not on iPhone of course but on the Xiaomi via MotionCam you can.
Again if average Joe wants easy to use settings then they stick to processed media via first party photo/video app.
@@UpsideLens now we’re talking! Please do a separate video talking about this because Android phones do not get the love and praise for their video capabilities like iPhones do and huge part because no reviewers are taking their time to highlight it neither are the manufacturers. Also not many Android users are making any high quality content for these devices like on iPhone. So let’s get a video on that!🔥🔥🔥 And does Motion Cam support multiple lenses? If so that’s a game changer for me.
@@UpsideLens I remember the first MKBHD blind test ended up with the Poco phone taking the win. It was a shit camera, but looked saturated so people voted for it. The Xperia line is known for giving more natural colours, or what you actually see. Then the user can edit afterwards.
I had to stop your video with sadness... Now it turns out that a device like the Xiaomi Ultra that has only modified by software its equipment is the highest of the highest... How well you said Sony had not updated its hardware, minimal improvements... and only why have they changed the format and lowered the resolution of the screen, it is no longer that flagship that made special to those who used it... I don't understand, I respect it but I don't understand... How did the iPhone 12pm improve compared to 13pm? Almost nothing... And so year after year... how have Oppo Find, OnePlus, even Huawei... improved? A larger sensor? More focal distance? Variations from one generation to another are minimal... and you know it. I will continue to see your content on TH-cam why I I like your style and you give me ideas in my way of taking street photos But I'm sorry... I don't agree 100% with you. Greetings...
You're absolutely in your right to disagree, but I just base my opinions on facts, and here the Sony uses very old hardware (in the tech world 2 years is a long time !) Xiaomi for example uses the latest 1inch type sensor, which improves low light performance and depth of field, but it also combined that with a FULL variable aperture, which allows even more control over the creativity when out and about shooting. The telephotos are separated which means they have much better optics and much larger sensors destroying Sony here as you can see in the video. I wouldn't call the 14 ultra a simple iteration ! Far from it ! If you were also interested in videography you'd know that the hardware on offer here is able to shoot RAW 14bit 4K60 video ! Something the Xperia could only dream of and also 90% of DSLR and mirrorless cameras ! I mean for the price the Xiaomi is at it literally is THE flagship to dethrone. Sony is just making mistakes after mistakes, leaving the US market behind, destroying the photo pro app completely, less stable and more buggy... What are left with ? A physical shutter button a 3.5mm jack and an SD card slot ...Yayyyy 🙄 Xperia just isn't synonymous of alpha photographers phone anymore, sorry
@@UpsideLens I think that Sony experimented for weekend photographers who had found in other brands similar quality or better of their Sony Rx... In fact the pro-i its sensor is the one of the RX MRK II or III... I don't remember. Xiaomi has been very smart... He saw a lot of interest from the public in the 11Ultra, took advantage of Huawei's disaster and went ahead of other brands joining Leica, the rest is hardware update and marketing... It's true, but you already knew that Sony had not updated anything in the 1-V But it seems curious to me what last year you and another, specifically Schhilan It was fantastic now it's the devil... I am not an expert in photography and of course I do not add value to your arguments about the details and their mistakes Don't think I doubt that...😉
I think you should review other brands, they don't need to be from 2024 And when comparing a 2023 model with the 2022 model of the same brand, you would realize what I'm talking about.Greetings from Spain!
Absolutely agree with you here, I still stand by the Xperia 1 V being a very good photographers phone, I didn't lie, I didn't just change my mind about it, the 1V is an awesome product.... The VI is not, too many drawbacks. As an average person yes it may be a good product with long battery life and all that but for PHOTOGRAPHERS it isn't.
@@UpsideLens So and I tell you from the utmost respect You should have made a video comparing V 🆚 VI.
It is interesting to see on Sony's accessibility website that they may bring the new camera app to the Mark V and IV series phones.
I'm quite sceptical about this. But if they do, let's hope they won't mess up the algorithm on these older phones 😂😂😂
I had that conversation with someone else the day they announced the VI I was like prey the lords they don't back port this to the V lol I mean theoretically you should be safe, Sony never tends to update their older flagships with newer features, let's hope they keep to that trend haha
I remember you going deaf when the Blackhawk went down. 😊
? Not sure I get what you mean bud
@@UpsideLens I'm just joking, you look like one of the soldiers in the movie "Blackhawk Down", no mean to offend.
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Really appreciate the honesty …. Most utubers seem to shy away from telling it like it is .. Appreciate 💪💪. Certainly Sony has the knowledge and capability in its hands to make a kick ass phone ; from camera to audio …sounds like a missed opportunity
the headphone jack was improved on this rendition? I know this is a camera focused channel but how does the music sound in comparison with the last model ?
Also since the 4K screen is absent perhaps this the reason the photos are more blurry in comparison to the 5 .?
I think this is the best way to put it. They have the knowledge and resources to create an awesome device but continuously choose not to
@@ShibiChan Yeah certainly frustrating… how much would like to purchase a Sony phone .. Frustrating to say the least
To me Sony went into panic mode at a later stage of production, something feels odd... There were very strong rumours of different hardware meant to be in the VI and ended up being a recycled 1 V so something did happen. The fact the video part of the app is missing and that the PRO part is all over the place, botched and in a beta like state makes me feel there was a "last minute" rush.... Reasons are just a guessing game at this point but something is off.
Lack of understanding and reading the market ! In the tech world you have to be able to act, react and turn around in a flash to an ever evolving market and at the moment it's something Chinese companies seem to be on top of like a rash ! On the other hand companies like Sony just rest on their laurels and expect to survive off their brand name... Sometimes it comes back to bite you in the arse 🤷
@@UpsideLens Apparently Sony will be releasing an Xperia PRO-C (follow up to the Pro -1) later this year; perhaps save all the judgment on the extreme photography until then🙏
Great video.Sony should indeed not use such an old sensor but in your own side by side 5:31 you can see that the Ultra makes up a lot of detail, the picture is so obviously AI it really is jarring. Look closer at the name of the ship, the writing is horrible, Sony is soft but at least it’s real. Min 5:50 brickwork and window in Ultra’s image shows a huge amount of generated detail. But overall Sony is inexcusable.
I had pixel 8 pro, xperia 5V, xperia 1IV, xiaomi 13 and 24 ultra, s24 ultra and vivo x100 pro. The xperia is late as always as camera sensor battle, to bland and mushy. Maybe after 2 years they will be great again. 😅
Hopefully they have another 2 years in them 😬 too many bad decisions in the mobile phone world often leads to the 🪦 RIP LG
Compare oppo find x7 ultra with xperia 1 mark 6
Send me the phones and I will 😉
I can get an old alpha nex 5n for about 120euro, that's going to blow both out of the water and still very light and easy to carry, but no longer will i be interested in spending so much for these results, thanks for showing that, i'll happily live with my mark V.
But what your nex 5 won't be able to compete with is being able to shoot RAW video up to 14bit at 4K60 !!! That's something only very few phones can currently do (let alone DSLR/mirrorless cameras!!!) Having said that it's only interesting IF you're into videography as well.
@@UpsideLens good point! I haven't got it yet, I'm debating with myself about it lol.
My main gripe is I take most of my picks at 40/50mm, and they haven't updated the 5v 48mm mode that they promised unto the 1V. So I keep losing a bit of picture quality all the time. Hopefully they will keep their promise but I doubt it 😅
@HkVdn yes that was a major letdown on their part and I criticised them for that ! Can't believe they didn't hold on to their promise ! At the end of the day the 1 V is the better phone out of the 2, really didn't enjoy the VI, and the photo app as well as the quality output were the main issue.
@@HkVdn I own one nex 5n, I did love it because it's compact and take really nice pictures, still use it from time to time, the problem is that I'm not always carrying that camera with me, because it's bulky to have in your pocket or in your coat, that's why I'd like to have a cellphone with good picture quality, for those occasions when all I need is a candid picture of my little girl, my pet, etc.
If I'm going on vacation I'll take a bigger camera for those special moments, or landscapes I may find. Xperia mark V will do a nice job though.
@@jchinchilla.rglad to hear you like both the nex and the Xperia, I was thinking of something similar, and maybe hoping it gets me to go out more often 😅.
I made an offer and I'll see if he accepts.
Sorry, but you didn't understand, how sony xperia 1 vi is working...
As you can see from all my previous videos, I had the Xperia 1V before, and I'm pretty confident I knew how to operate it 😉
I think the macro mode is amazing. I hear what you say about the limitations, but it is the best macro on any smartphone and is why I went for the mark 6. I am impressed by the Xiaomi's overall standard lens and sensor performance. China is handing western phone makers their asses at the mo. Yes Sony definitely needs to upgrade their wide sensors and fix the software. They have launched this camera more in beta mode. Wait for the updates in August and see.
Unfortunately is not just a case of software , the macro mode is just that, a mode. You cannot shoot macro in RAW or in 48mp. The combination of harsh jpg compression + soft optics + lack of autofocus + tiny sensor does give pretty bad macro shots, it's just not "clean" a lot of artefacts in the out of focus areas and the transition between focused areas and blur. To me the Xiaomi is much clearer, detailed and sharper when it comes to macro, and that's to be expected when macro has its own dedicated lenses, floating lens and autofocus as well ability to even go as far as do exposure stacking in ultra mode to get noise and artefacts free shots.
To me its is not detail or sharp on Xiaomi 14 ultra. But its more on artificial AI processing. If you compared with your camera, the leaves of tree wont be like Xiaomi one.
On Xiaomi side AI processing of "missing" detail does happen on telephoto shots. An option is actually available in the option to do so. In raw it does not, what you see if what you get out of the sensor minus some other processing (denoise/de-vignetting and so on)
your lack of understanding how mfsr works is hilarious, just because you don't understand it doesnt mean its AI, all detail is natural, not made up, learn how things work before claiming some nonsense.
Sony always behind the competition, the camera app experience is terrible, i hope their smartphone division goes bankrupt, nothing change, their software experience is suck ui/stock apps etc, the music never get updated, less customization, lazy works, terrible control centre ui 👎🏻
I would definitely not wish on Xperia to end up like LG or other companies that recently threw in the towel, but I agree that they have fallen behind and I really hope they are able to learn from it, react and climb that hill back up ! The Xperia brand is iconic and used to be synonymous of quality and resonated well in the world of photography and videography... Time will tell 👍
Thanks for the TRUE REVIEW!
You're welcome I always make a point to be impartial and fair 👌
It is certain that Sony continues to make money with other brands and that is good because they master their subject.
The point to think about is that their R&D department is maybe limited on the allocated budget and recycles old with new... It's not easy to manufacture a flagship device in these conditions... At least at this point price for on-board technology it's just impossible... At 600€ it's a gem at 1400 it's a scam...
Fully agree, I have said it before the VI is not a bad phone, it's great with lots of features to like but just not worth it's price tag and not aimed towards the photo enthusiast anymore.
The Xperia 1 VI is definitely overpriced for what it offers
For a company that manufactures top tier pro cameras and very good smartphones, this is kinda disappointing
They have dropped the ball that's for sure 😞 let's hope they can address some of the issues via software update and that they finally give a boost to the hardware in whatever comes next 👍
If Sony doesn't get back on tracks with the Xperia 1V II , the Xperia 1V is going to be my last Sony phone, the amount of disappointment in the Xperia 1 VI is monumental on every aspect, and yes, the telephoto camera is extremely difficult to get usable photos out of, the ultra wide is barely usable, the main sensor is great, 12MP is just waaaaay too low of a resolution, so Sony if you're reading this and want to save yourselves do the following:
1. Keep the SD card slot and headphone jack.
2. Give us quad dac and better audio from the headphone jack.
3. Bring back the 4k display.
4. Bring back the led light.
5. Bring back the album sony app.
6. Higher resolution ultra wide and telephoto sensors.
7. Higher screen brightness.
8. Bring back customizable Always on display.
9. Don't use any form of notch or screen cutout.
10. Put the charger in the box.
11. Faster charging speed.
Other than that I'll put my money somewhere else, which is unfortunate cause I've been Sony fan since the Sony Ericsson days, there are limits of how much BS we can take... It's a hard earned money you know...
@Sony if you really read my comment and listen, also bring back the equalizer, and ditch dolby sound and 360 upmix because they do absolutely nothing.
Quad DAC was LG's marketing term. They used a sabre DAC. Sony could make do with the Qualcomm DAC which is good though not up to ESS or Cirrus Logic. they need a better headphone amp. They don't have to drive planars but my msr7 are to hard for them to drive and that is a headphone built for mobile.
Yea, and I'm not even trying planners not even high impedance pairs, I'm just using a 30ohm fidelio x2hr, and it can barely drive them, add to that, they replaced the sony audio settings with dolby settings and equalizer which is a joke and only makes the sound worse... add to the long list Sony needs to fix, is when recording a video in a quiet environment you'll hear the noise of the camera motors/modules working...
you and your useless page . only want show SONY not reall . and attak to this BIG COMPANY
Only showing the facts here, why would I make things up lol I've literally nothing to gain from it ! If you don't believe me take photos on the VI load them up in Lightroom and it's all there to see.... 🤷 Don't know how much more I can do to show the results lol it's not an attack, it's a wake up call for sony to start caring for their customers more than their wallet !
after so many sony's ive had its time to change. tried the xiaomi 13 ultra and it blows the sony's out the water
I was very disappointed and left puzzled by Sony's choices for the VI let's hope there is a better and brighter future for the Xperia brand 👍
Weird, i mean why are you the only one pointing these noisy pics out.
Not sure bud, I guess most reviews are either sponsored ones or mainly targeting average joe who only shoots in automatic jpg mode. Don't forget that there aren't many specifically mobile phone photography TH-cam channels out there
@@UpsideLens We're few and far between!!
@@UpsideLens I have also pointed out the glaring issues with the 1 vi
😅 the fellowship of mobile phone photography.... Queue lord of the rings music 🤣
@@UpsideLens yes and the 1 vi is Souron! :)
Each on his/her own opinion i guess eh?
And it just so happens to be my opinion that this guy is not a great photographer,
Sorry not sorry 😊
Thank you for your lovely comment 😊
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Bed time it is then 👍
@@UpsideLens Do you have the 1v or Mi 13 Ultra preferred?i think the 1V? Now the 14 is worse than 13, but 1Vi is much better than 1V so 😅
Poor Sony😂
🤣 theyre only doing it to themselves lol
No one wants a sony phone im surprised there still making phones theres no way they out well LG and now LG left the game
The thing that really made Sony Xperia phones truly special and niche was their similarities with their alpha range of cameras in terms of colour science and photo app features but unfortunately it would seem they're now changing directions and probably not for the best... At this rate I really don't know how long their phone division has got left until they become extinct !
Gente que no entiende lo que es Sony, hablando de Sony, que tontería.
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Ich hatte schon immer ein Sony-Smartphone und werde es auch immer tun.
Mein neuestes Modell ist das Sony Xperia 1VI.
Es ist 100 % Weltklasse
Die Kamera ist das Beste, was technisch möglich ist.
Es ist sehr gut, dass Sony Smartphones herstellt, sie sind etwas Schlaues, alle anderen Hersteller sind wertloser Müll.
Sie möchten Sony-Smartphones und alle anderen Sony-Geräte kaufen.
Es ist sehr gut, dass der gesamte Hersteller Sony weiterhin existiert.
Mit Sony haben Sie die beste Stimmung im Leben, wie mit keinem anderen Hersteller.
Mit Sony sind Sie etwas Besseres.
Ok 👍
Sony is absolute beast. I dont see the purpouse of this comparison. Its like comparing PS5 with Tetris....
Who knows what the purpouse is 😅
I had mark V switched to VI and very happy with it, my fav android phone so far, Camera 5/5 Display 5/5 Sound 5/5 Battery 5+
i had a few questions with mark V though
Perfect I'm glad you're enjoying it 👍
want some salt for that copium you've been snorting?
No doubt, the Xiaomi has a better hardware but.. software wise, still a chinese phone. Ive had xiaomi phones in the past and the amount of ads and spying on you is undeniable, I mean, I was talking with someone about a random thing and minutes later I found an ad in the phone about it, and this happens with all chinese phones, someone really close to me has one, and happens all the time.
Had Xiaomi for the last 8 years and this has never happened a single time. Same thing with my 14U at the moment.
And also what ads? I don't think I've ever seen an ad on mid and high end Xiaomi phones.
Ads don't exist on high end xiaomi devices, ads are on their low end devices... this is a common myth.
And no, you aren't using chinese software outside China, global ROM is quite a lot different than Chinese version and goes through strict EU regulations.
Bro he's a liar I'm on my poco f5 and I'm very happy with it@@Blue_Man
@@Blue_Man Ads within social media apps, like Instagram, Tiktok and more, changes when they "hear you" saying you are looking for something. This happens more often with chinese devices. I have experienced this on xiaomi, honor and huawei. Many other people I know also have gone through this. Sometimes you get a device with global rom, and some other times, you get the chinese one, it depends where you get it. Some people say this also happens on other manufacturers, but I have never seen this on Pixel, Galaxys or Sony devices. I dont use apple so.. I cant tell if they do this or not.
Paid review from ☠️☠️xiaomi☠️☠️
My friend, I wish lol
@@UpsideLens,I wonder how much xiaomi and samsung paid you?
🤣 dude if you think companies like Samsung and Sony pay small channels like mine you're deluded lol
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