"It goes up to a maximum of 2500W resistance, which I don't think our beginner or amateur is gonne need today" Well, I am pretty sure that Mark will hold a constant 2500W, no doubt.
I know that W/KG is a easy metric to understand. But given that the pros are going between 40-43kph the biggest resistance is air not weight. So the best metric would be watts/CDA, hard to measure but always worth saying. I hate the media obsession with weight and cycling. I have done a 51min 25 mile TT at 112KG. I was no wear near 4 W/KG! More like 3.1ish (320-330 watts)
Color me skeptical. I’m far from a beginner and definitely can’t hold 360 watts for 5 minutes (at 77kg weight). I can hold 4 watts/kg for 3mins and I’d venture I’m more fit by a decent margin.
It was so funny and brilliant to watch the introduction of Mark 🤣🤣 and also, as they said at the end: find a new respect for those folks who competing at the Kona level 🙏
Wow the pro and amateurs were impressive… For the amateur 20mins @ 4W/kg is really high! That’s a FTP of 295W for a guy who only trained for one race, I suspect someone is going to continue racing! 🎉
I am getting more intrigued on the Zwift set ups and connection to the bike. This might be the year I pull the trigger and update my training platform. New respect for the riders, I never thought about the heat. Bravo on your participants. good effort.
Hooked with all these epic content particulary from GTN, Zwift, PTO, etc.. Man -- amazing people out there with incredible endurance. Nothing short of amazement..
Interesting to see all the greenery on the RGT version of Kona. I've ridden it a few time on the Ironman app (previously FulGaz) with real video...it's actually mostly a barren wasteland. More like a scene from Mad Max tbh.
For relatively flat triathlon courses, how much is down to "power to weight" and how much is pure "power"? I guess the real metric is "power to frontal area" but that's not so user friendly!
Definitely it’s power to CdA. That’s why Emma Pooley can be world champion despite weighing very little. It’s also why Remco Evenopoel is on e of the best time trialists, he’s short so he’s small, and can finish 3rd to the much larger and more powerful Stefan Kung’s second. Kona may be hilly but even going up hill at pro speeds staying aero is sill a big advantage.
I appreciate Zwift even more after seeing that ridiculous avatar moving like a sped up 19th century film clip with 1980’s Atari at best Nintendo (NES) graphics.
this is so unfair; you should have set the wats at same level the record did. If was let's say 290w then the 3 riders go to 290w. Having the beginner at 360 vs the "pro" at 290 is just dumb
Is there a re-run in the pipeline where the Phil and Quinn try to hold the Kona winners recorded avg. Watts for as long as possible? So rather than their equivalent W:kg, it's just the winners' Watts.
Would be interesting to do it based on speed, doing watts/kg on a flat course isnt the most realistic, might give the beginner a bit of a better chance
This is why I like running much more. 310W is piece of cake when running, I do way more on my easy runs and I am amateur. Don't get me wrong, cycling is fantastic, but if your goal is to get a proper workout then running is way more effective. The downside is, besides buying a sports watch there isn't any excuse to buy expensive toys for a runner. What a bummer...
@@lukasschick3489 Well... you can and you can't. The cycling power is easy to measure directly, you put a strain gauge on the crank, rotation sensor and boom, you calculate power. The running power is much more complex and it cannot be measure directly and should be thought as an estimate. On the other hand it is Garmin who is doing it and they are citing a bunch of research that went into it. It probably has same caveats like other measurements (say VO2max) that you can't use it to compare different people and it only makes sense to track your personal level of performance over time. On the other hand we know running is much less efficient than cycling. Bikes are extremely efficient and require 10x less energy to cover same distance than walking. I don't know exactly how this applies to cycling hard vs running hard. Running also uses much more muscle mass in the body for movement. And if you look at the length of training sessions -- most people spend much more time on bike than running to get spent. There will of course always be people who will do sprints on bikes which require a lot of power. But I personally can't do it. It just takes too much time to convert all the glycogen I have available on bike vs running. On bike my few muscles can't generate enough force and tire faster than my energy reserves whereas when running I can pretty reliably hit a wall when I know I just used up all my stores of glycogen. But I am an amateur but I also think this is the point -- it is easier for me, an amateur, to get a proper workout when running than it is on a bycicle.
There’s absolutely no chance Phil could put out 360 watts for 5 minutes in his shape/fitness. That would put his FTP around 200 watts or so which seems improbable for a recreational cyclist with a dad bod (no judgement).
Just checked my power curve and I can hold 4 watts/KG for like 3 minutes and I’m in better condition and more intense. Zero chance his average power was above 360w for 5m
Hey Jordan. I can 💯 say that I did 360 Watts for 5 mins. I went deep and that's as far as I could push. Keep working on it champ and I bet you can do same. #dadbodandproud
Assuming your conversion to a 200w ftp is correct thatd put his ftp around 2.2w/kg. While im lacking the dad bod i can definitely hold that for an hour pretty comfortably and ability wise im definitely a looot closer to the beginner category than i am to the amateur category presented in this video. So if he has some fitness from riding his bike a bit that seems far from impossible to me
@@agenthoini I ride 3x week, have been riding for 12yrs, and recently tackled some of the most well known climbs in Mallorca and Menorca that break people (or they just avoid). My FTP is somewhere around 185-205, or 2.4 a 2.7 w/kg. I’ve done a lot of big group rides and small with riders at various levels, and as described, there’s no way Phil could hold anywhere near that. Maybe the power meter on the trainer and/or the software is wonky, maybe his cardio is just out of this world vs his waistline (no judgement), just seems improbable purely based on how his riding is described.
How long do you think you could hold Kona winning power?
at least 2hrs.
you will have to put the trainer into a bathtub though. Mark thinks he is a heavy sweater...
"It goes up to a maximum of 2500W resistance, which I don't think our beginner or amateur is gonne need today" Well, I am pretty sure that Mark will hold a constant 2500W, no doubt.
The introduction of Mark as the pro was just brilliant!
I love how James is just SO happy he did not have to do this. Then again, after the ironman without food, it's only fair Mark did this one ;)
I know that W/KG is a easy metric to understand. But given that the pros are going between 40-43kph the biggest resistance is air not weight. So the best metric would be watts/CDA, hard to measure but always worth saying. I hate the media obsession with weight and cycling. I have done a 51min 25 mile TT at 112KG. I was no wear near 4 W/KG! More like 3.1ish (320-330 watts)
exactly! 👍
The beginner holding that power for over 5 min was impressive, I was thinking 2 minutes max for him.
man just did an 200k epic or something like that, he's far from beginner cyclist
Color me skeptical. I’m far from a beginner and definitely can’t hold 360 watts for 5 minutes (at 77kg weight). I can hold 4 watts/kg for 3mins and I’d venture I’m more fit by a decent margin.
That was some impressive power. Imagine if they had done 290 watts for all three athletes. He would probably still be riding.
Zwift needs to have the Kona course added to the rotation. Would love to ride it this winter. Can we get a petition going GTN?
Use fulgaz
James looked full of maniacal glee while watching the efforts of the riders
I feel like I just watched this video a few minutes ago on GCN…
Should do this kipchoge world record pace treadmill style
It was so funny and brilliant to watch the introduction of Mark 🤣🤣 and also, as they said at the end: find a new respect for those folks who competing at the Kona level 🙏
Wow the pro and amateurs were impressive… For the amateur 20mins @ 4W/kg is really high! That’s a FTP of 295W for a guy who only trained for one race, I suspect someone is going to continue racing! 🎉
I am getting more intrigued on the Zwift set ups and connection to the bike. This might be the year I pull the trigger and update my training platform. New respect for the riders, I never thought about the heat. Bravo on your participants. good effort.
It’s a good time, lots of deals on direct drive trainers to be had.
Hooked with all these epic content particulary from GTN, Zwift, PTO, etc.. Man -- amazing people out there with incredible endurance. Nothing short of amazement..
Thanks!
Interesting to see all the greenery on the RGT version of Kona. I've ridden it a few time on the Ironman app (previously FulGaz) with real video...it's actually mostly a barren wasteland. More like a scene from Mad Max tbh.
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Skeleton in the background: Uh Oh, another GCN victim. Not too long ago I was in THAT seat!
A true and valid test would have had everyone trying to hold 4w/kg in aero position.
For relatively flat triathlon courses, how much is down to "power to weight" and how much is pure "power"? I guess the real metric is "power to frontal area" but that's not so user friendly!
I thought that, but Kona is surprisingly hilly actually. Very little of it is flat.
Definitely it’s power to CdA. That’s why Emma Pooley can be world champion despite weighing very little. It’s also why Remco Evenopoel is on e of the best time trialists, he’s short so he’s small, and can finish 3rd to the much larger and more powerful Stefan Kung’s second. Kona may be hilly but even going up hill at pro speeds staying aero is sill a big advantage.
W / CDA would be a much more accurate way of doing this on the kona course
I hadn’t thought of that. CdA surely isn’t possible on the kickr bike though
For a flat course, but Kona is quite hilly. Power minus storm force crosswind might be more appropriate for Kona :)
disappointed with Mark not doing it in aero position! 😄
360W for 5 minutes? omfg that's a lot
Less then two weeks to go for racing there done the heat training pushed the limits and are now tapper starting with getting rid of my cold 🥶
Blimey. Good hustle.
That test is so cruel to the beginner & amateur guy....having to push 30 and 70 watts more than Mark, ouch
Bit rough and not accurate to make the 90K bloke peddle at 360. That is a faster pace than a 50kg human peddling at 200watts.
@gtn any idea of their relative FTP/kg for comparison?
You know, sometimes I think you lot are just trying to sell me new, flashy gear...
I appreciate Zwift even more after seeing that ridiculous avatar moving like a sped up 19th century film clip with 1980’s Atari at best Nintendo (NES) graphics.
The footage is sped up. It's not like that in realtime
Wow! That is tough 😮
this is so unfair; you should have set the wats at same level the record did. If was let's say 290w then the 3 riders go to 290w. Having the beginner at 360 vs the "pro" at 290 is just dumb
Is there a re-run in the pipeline where the Phil and Quinn try to hold the Kona winners recorded avg. Watts for as long as possible?
So rather than their equivalent W:kg, it's just the winners' Watts.
this test has to be redone with another "has been" pro, who would that be? hmmm.... :)
why no aero bars?
How they did it as rgt allows max 100km uploads 🤔 make the route public 😋🥰
No fan to create a bit of air movement?
They use a fan. You can see the kit of the 2. Guy flapping.
Such a good example of why power to weight ratio is so important on a bike.
It's hilarious that trainers have incline...
Come on! Why he got his bike. Not fare
It does not count 😂
Starting to get a lot of VR content on many of these channels. It’s getting a little stale.
LOL 😂 once a upon a time pro
Would be interesting to do it based on speed, doing watts/kg on a flat course isnt the most realistic, might give the beginner a bit of a better chance
Kona is far from flat
There’s about 1100km over the 180km… that’s quite flat.
This is why I like running much more. 310W is piece of cake when running, I do way more on my easy runs and I am amateur.
Don't get me wrong, cycling is fantastic, but if your goal is to get a proper workout then running is way more effective.
The downside is, besides buying a sports watch there isn't any excuse to buy expensive toys for a runner. What a bummer...
What do you use for power tracking?
Questionable opinion 🤔 You can't exactly compare running power (measured by Stryd or similar) to cycling power
@@lukasschick3489 Well... you can and you can't.
The cycling power is easy to measure directly, you put a strain gauge on the crank, rotation sensor and boom, you calculate power.
The running power is much more complex and it cannot be measure directly and should be thought as an estimate.
On the other hand it is Garmin who is doing it and they are citing a bunch of research that went into it. It probably has same caveats like other measurements (say VO2max) that you can't use it to compare different people and it only makes sense to track your personal level of performance over time.
On the other hand we know running is much less efficient than cycling. Bikes are extremely efficient and require 10x less energy to cover same distance than walking. I don't know exactly how this applies to cycling hard vs running hard.
Running also uses much more muscle mass in the body for movement.
And if you look at the length of training sessions -- most people spend much more time on bike than running to get spent.
There will of course always be people who will do sprints on bikes which require a lot of power.
But I personally can't do it. It just takes too much time to convert all the glycogen I have available on bike vs running. On bike my few muscles can't generate enough force and tire faster than my energy reserves whereas when running I can pretty reliably hit a wall when I know I just used up all my stores of glycogen.
But I am an amateur but I also think this is the point -- it is easier for me, an amateur, to get a proper workout when running than it is on a bycicle.
There’s absolutely no chance Phil could put out 360 watts for 5 minutes in his shape/fitness. That would put his FTP around 200 watts or so which seems improbable for a recreational cyclist with a dad bod (no judgement).
Just checked my power curve and I can hold 4 watts/KG for like 3 minutes and I’m in better condition and more intense. Zero chance his average power was above 360w for 5m
Hey Jordan. I can 💯 say that I did 360 Watts for 5 mins. I went deep and that's as far as I could push. Keep working on it champ and I bet you can do same. #dadbodandproud
Well done Phil, great effort
Assuming your conversion to a 200w ftp is correct thatd put his ftp around 2.2w/kg. While im lacking the dad bod i can definitely hold that for an hour pretty comfortably and ability wise im definitely a looot closer to the beginner category than i am to the amateur category presented in this video. So if he has some fitness from riding his bike a bit that seems far from impossible to me
@@agenthoini I ride 3x week, have been riding for 12yrs, and recently tackled some of the most well known climbs in Mallorca and Menorca that break people (or they just avoid). My FTP is somewhere around 185-205, or 2.4 a 2.7 w/kg. I’ve done a lot of big group rides and small with riders at various levels, and as described, there’s no way Phil could hold anywhere near that. Maybe the power meter on the trainer and/or the software is wonky, maybe his cardio is just out of this world vs his waistline (no judgement), just seems improbable purely based on how his riding is described.
You can always trust GTN for an extravagant advertisement. This time it's for Wahoo RGT System! Subtle, Sneaky Commercial!
We declare it as paid promotion at the start of the video, in the description and in the thumbnail...
@@gtn you did NOT have to reply🤣