Monarch Lathe Headstock Oil Change
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2020
- This video shows the steps I took to drain the Monarch headstock, clean it, flush it, and fill it with new ISO 100 gear oil. My lathe is a 1942 model 16 CY. These steps can be used with my lathes and machine tools. Please refer to your machined owners manual to determine proper oil for your machine.
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Do I have a Monarch lathe - no. Do I have any machine tools - no. Is Adam's video an escape that I need right now - yes. Thank you.
Escape away good sir.
I wish I owned the Monarch that we had at work or the one that I missed out on because I found out about it too late.
Same here. I haven’t used a lathe since machine shop back in high school (1993) nor do I work as a machinist and yet here I am.
@Craig Blanche Not a company in the first case. It was owned by the State. And I had use of it any time needed as I was a Maintenance Mechanic in the shop.
Nothing like sitting around watching Abom change the oil in his lathe
Dumb Videos way better than watching TV👍
Loved the whole video, but especially the gearbox in action. To realize the designers created this with pencils, paper, and slide rules, is amazing. And you can actually see what's happening. My computer's CPU is a billion times more complicated, but I can't see a thing when I look at it. And isn't oil a marvelous substance!
I wouldn't say more complicated (saying this as a Computer Engineer, which yes, I get saying credentials in TH-cam comments is about as lame as it gets). Just smaller. How all those gears mesh together without exploding at high speeds is super impressive in its own right. Truly a marvel to know that this machine was built well before electronic computers were even a thing.
That old machine will last forever, thanks to your tender care. You are a special lover of old machinery. Thanks for all your videos.
I enjoyed watching this and Adam probably did the most throughout oil change in that machine's history with all that scrubbing and all. 😁
Good job Adam. Informative and enjoyable video which makes me want to go clean out my Colchester Bantam!!
In my opinion ... the very best teachers are the ones who can show their students HOW they learned what they are conveying. I'm not even five minutes into this and I am impressed and pleased, Adam.
Nice to see a manufacturer is recommending cheap stuff like kerosene and not some expensive "monarch cleaner" for 50 bucks a gallon like they do these days. Seen it plenty of times for leather care or for woodworking gear. I'm a woodworker myself and plain ol' diesel has served me well to clean resin clogged saw blades and machine surfaces as cleaner, rust preventer and as AvE calls it "wiener schleiden" . No need for the expensive brand stuff in most cases.
Why have I just spent over half an hour of my life watching some guy cleaning old oil out of a machine? Because it's deeply satisfying and very relaxing, that's why! Good job Adam.
I have been watching Adam for about 2 months I have no machining experience at all but Adams vidioes are fascinating I have now completed some hand tapping I love the channel Adam it is a pleasure to watch you work
I’m not sure, but I don’t think you changed the oil in the correct manner. Pretty sure it’s a requirement to drop the drain plug in the bucket of oil and spill at least ⅓ of the oil volume on the ground. 😁
Adam, I don't know why I watch your videos, because the biggest power tool I own is a 15-year-old Black and Decker drill/driver. But I continue to watch, and I always come away knowing I've learned something--precision, order of operations, problem solving, and on a few rare occasions (because you don't do this very often, but I do), looking at a mistake and working out what to do about it. Cheers from a Brit living in Tokyo! Edit: Oh, and the importance of maintenance, which is definitely not one of my strong points.
It is interestingly cathartic watching Adam clean the inside of that Monarch. Such attention to detail and doing things right!
Adam, for your future reference, a 100ml syringe with a length of automotive windshield washer tubing slid over the nozzle, is great for sucking fluids out of tight spaces. You can almost get the last drop out with this. Only costs pennies as well.
Adam you should put 3 or 4 good magnets in various places, better stuff on the magnet than going through the bearings.
That headstock is a masterpiece. All helical gears. All the shifters just so. A perfectly balanced design that purrs when it runs.
Wow, truly an incredible machine. For some reason it seems even more powerful knowing that all those beautifully cut gears and shafts are inside.
You need to get a young enthusiastic and motivated part time employee to mold into a future metal worker.They are like a sponge. Don't let your talent disappear you should teach everything you know to somebody just like your grandfather did for your dad. And your dad did for you. It's a win win win. I think people watching your channel would love this. I would.
biff johnson that is a good idea and makes a great deal of sense, after this Covid 19 is over of course. So what about it Adam. What do you think??
Unfortunately if he had an employee I think he would have to add a lot of guards to all the machines to bring them up to modern day health and safety requirements
I'm surprised you didn't get a threaded ball valve for the drain. Makes life easier especially when you drop the plug in the bucket one time.
I used to read OLD Popular mechanics magazines for an education. This format is world changing. Who in hell would ever write about going inside a old lathe? This exchange of knowledge is life changing in ways we don't understand yet. Thanks Abom; now adopt some kids and teach them the trade.
You are a man who truly appreciates your tools.
Hello from Norway. I have a Monarch 61 from 1952. It comes to Norway as a Machall help. The comes 5 of this machines to Norway after ww2 . Its a great lathe. It's a king. Thank you for the cluch repair and olil change. Best regard from Norway , Arvid
Years ago I worked for a company that was having trouble with hydraulic pumps and motors. The control valves were sticking and bearings were getting scored. The company supplying the pumps, motors and most of the valves were giving us a hard time about cleanliness. We added more filters. Hand cleaned all of the tanks and hoses and were still having trouble with new equipment. I put some of the contamination under a microscope and it looked like little balls and they were magnetic! It turned out to be welding spatter from the factory filled steel 55 gallon drums. SO, filtering oil from the factory filled containers turned out to be necessary.
Just saying...
The comment in the manual was most likely to filter it so that it could be reused.
No gear left unclean in Adam's shop, another great video as always. Thanks, Abom79!
Listened to that whine for years, miss it already
It came right back 👍🏻
A clear plexiglass cover would be an interesting sight.
I can totally smell this video.
Nothing beats the satisfaction from a freshly maintained machine. Thank you for showing your process.
In the days, when things were built to last 👍
Magnetize the drain plug before you put it back in.....always a good thing to do.
A wet / dry shop vac with a small diameter hose works well too.
That lathe looks like new for its age it is in great shape. It should last a few more generations👍
Yes Adam, adapt a ball valve to the drain plug threads and you'll never regret it. I've done it to my vehicles as a test project and I love it. I did the same on many industrial applications which saved down time and made the job easier. It is also conducive to using a pump to drain, fill, or circulate and filter as required. I was thinking how many times I had dropped the plug in a similar setup, but you are much more agile than I am, good video, cheers and thanks!
Grab a remote filter off SummitRacing and a pump for $100 total. You’re a machinist so you can adapt it to your machine pretty easily. It’ll come dash 6 fittings 1/2 and steel braided lines and a filter also an engine assembly brush kit, Adam! Comes with long brushes that’ll help and they’re like $20. Worth their weight in gold.
It would be cool to adapt the remote filter to the drain plug. The pump will circulate the oil thru the pump and back into the machine clean. You can wire it to a 12v switch to run whenever you want.
Adam I thought kerosene was clear?
Raw kerosene _is_ clear, but different dyes are added for various markets and uses for regulatory reasons - like the way agricultural (or "off-road") diesel is dyed red in the US to indicate that it wasn't subjected to road tax, or aviation fuels are dyed following a common, global standard to differentiate the various non-interchangeable grades.
i am not a machinist , but as a car and truck mechanic i have been in situation like this where you cant get a big enough bucket to drain the oil out and something i did was take a small bucket that fits , then close to the bottom i drll a hole , put a hose adapter and hose , so as the smal bucket fills up it is also draning out into a bigger bucket
I really appreciate you showing us how the cone brake works, it's those little things that make your content the best on TH-cam.
Man, using that brush with the kerosene. All I can think of is "the joy of machining with Abom Ross" :D
I would love to see someone who has a vacuum forming machine, make a copy of your cover in clear plastic so you could show us the full operation of this lathe.
Since nothing sticks out much, only the oil lines: Just use a flat sheet of acrylic. Heat it up with a hot air gun at the spot where the oil lines are, put it on to let them form the plastic and ur done.
You can also use coffee filters to get your kerosene clean. works great.
One of the things I love about your videos is how much you respect and care for your machinery. Plus, watching how excited you get talking about them always brings a smile to my face, you really do love what you do.
Enjoyed that. Even if lathe maintenance is literally (part of) my day job. I showed it to my dad "This is what I do"
There's nothing worse than fumbling to get the plug back in the threads and DROPPING IT IN THE BUCKET!
Glad it didn't happen
Why not add a magnet to the drain bung. Bound to be metallic micro particles in suspension which will wear components.
This will capture debris .
Alan in London
Regularly scheduled maintenance, lubrication, and cleaning, is the life's blood of any machine tool. A small shop vac with an intermediate container could be used to vacuum out the last of the oil with a small hose.
Regularly scheduled maintenance, lubrication, and cleaning, is the life's blood of any mechanical device
Thanks for another fully illustrated maintenance job. Lube numbers for the gearbox were puzzling until you reduced it down to simple and easily obtainable 30 weight motor oil. Keep 'em coming.
There is something so calming watching Adam work, just had a really relaxing 40 minutes watching this video great work!
same here, after a long day of pushing papers around, this is very relaxing!
Maybe next time consider a Fumoto drain valve. Love the ones we have on our vehicles. Great for oil change time - NO WRENCHES needed. Put one on your truck too.
Or EZ Oil Drain Valve, either one.
Cheers all
Need a transparent gearbox cover!
RIGHT???!
Those gears are just beautiful. The apex of industrial engineering.
Never have I ever looked forward to an oil change :)
Ahh, kerosene in a pressurized spray bottle. Just the kind of relaxing job you might consider doing by candlelight.
HF brake vacuum bleeder kit. They're junk at bleeding brakes, but good for sucking reservoirs (and puddles) dry. (the radiator vacuum kit works well for water (obviously) and gasoline and other thinner stuff.)
Cleaning my tools is always such a weird experience. I always hate thinking about starting to do it, but then not just watching it but also when I get started doing it and seeing everything brighten up when I get the dirt off, it's really meditative. Like watching a campfire.
Nice job. You are very thorough, attention to detail is the mark of the master craftsmen.
Huh. Am I really gonna sit here and watch Abom change the oil on an old lathe?
(38 minutes later...)
Okay, do the shaper next!
Ikr? This is man-tertainment.
Periscope films might have the film footage you're looking for.
I love watching those and the other historic films from cars to metal, and land to trees, it amazing
Aha. A Bijur automatic oiler. Back in the 1920s and 1930s,a number of high end cars had Bijur lubrication systems mounted. I believe Duesenberg was one such. The Bijur people have lubrication systems for manufacturing and industrial still,but no longer for cars. Whether they could still support a Monarch lube system I cannot say. The current people running that organization should see this video,let them know what their predecessors were capable of. Pretty darn impressive. 1942 lathe internals still in prime condition,bearings probably 1942 vintage, Timken should be proud of their products as well.
Adam,thanks for this. Only a bunch of dudes with some strange ideas as to just what is interesting would be willing to watch oil drain. Better than watching paint dry. For God's sake,keep that turkey baster away from your wife. Kero flavoured chicken is best left imagined than tasted.
All the best.
And it is people like you that care for and respect those old machines that ensure that they will be used in shops for generations to come. 👍
Do you think it's really important to filter the oil in today's world? I think that what we get nowadays is already so clean and high quality compared to 70 years ago that I wonder. I'm not a machinist, so I'm just honestly asking the opinions of the guys on here who are hands on with these machines on a daily basis
Would it be possible to install a ball valve instead of a drain plug?
Yes, I did on my lathe, I used a bolt with thread, drilled a hole through it, screw it into ballvalve, put a nut on it, then screw the lot into nthe headstock and tighten the nut at the correct vertical orientation of the lever, I then screwed the original drainplug in end of ballvalve just for safety, so oil dont vrun out if lever is accidently switched. I then took another bolt with thread drilled hole through it and attached a pype to it, screw that into balvale only when oil is drained.
If only a small amount of oil is drained, I just hold a glastt under ballvalve and open it, like it.
You seem to be enjoying cleaning the gearbox up to your standards. Very good! A word of advise, clean that turkey baster really well before you put it back in the kitchen drawer. Abbie will know right away if you don’t. This is the voice of experience.
That was fantastic I never thought that watching an oil change would be so satisfying
mmmmh laminar flow
Please do not drill out those oil line fittings. They have a orifice that meters the oil. Alex Steele drill them out which was wrong..............
You got a shoutout by Alec Steele in his "MAKING A MOUNTAIN BIKE!!! Part 2" Called you the Abom79's of the World regarding your outstanding machining. Awesome to know guys like him watch your Channel
Patrick Elgenmann I saw that too
I can't help but think how awesome it'd be if the lid was replaced with a solid acrylic block... so you could watch the gears in motion :D
While a ball valve would be nice, I can't recall real easily any that have a lockout protection from opening. Well that is, anyone other than Fumoto!
fumotousa.com/about-fumoto-valves.php
Fumoto's are garbage. Stahlbus and Valvomax are superior designs
That`s dedication for you. I`m impressed. I`m sure there are a lot of machine tools in engineering workshops that never get an oil change.
Those old machines are a thing of beauty!
Adam, next time you drain, in place of the plug, install a 1" pipe nipple, a 600 WOG ball valve and off of that plumbing to get the drain location closer to the drain pan, you could even just add a nipple to the outlet of the valve and use a hose to go to the drain pans. Looks like 1/2 pipe, so the hose would be 3/4. That's how I did engines in things like cranes where there was no room to put a pan under the drain, besides, lifting 12 gallons of oil out of the engine house on a crane 8 feet in the air ain't fun! Love your videos!
Installing a ball valve is exactly what I did to drain the oil. It works great. No mess.
Helpful to anybody with a similar task to perform. hopefully someday I’ll be doing that to a machine
That was worth the wait 👍
The only thing is that like every other machine that needs an oil change, the designer doesn't fit enough drain bungs.
Good job and applicable to almost any vintage transmission assembly maintenance procedure. Great attention to detail and very satisfying to watch. Thanks for posting!!!
Wow. That has quietened the lathe considerably. Thanks for the video Adam.
Hey Adam, a piece of rain gutter to a 5 gallon bucket might work next time. I've done it in tight places before with good results.
Absolutely, seeing old machines being built would be awesome! ✌️ Even the design process!
None of us look forward to doing needed maintenance, but it feels so good when it's done.
Nice to see such an awesome machine treated well and getting the love it deserves.
I swear the monarch is so much quieter now 💪💪💪
Adam, take one of those blue shop towels and lay in your funnel before pouring in the used Kerosene. I use them all the time to filter different types of fluid for reuse.
Thanks for pointing out the brake mechanism. I've always wondered how the brake was set up on lathes- a band or a drum or something. A cone brake like that never crossed my mind.
Intriguing design
A beautiful piece of machinery, built to last a couple of hundred years with that kind of respect.
Hey Adam that is one hell of a cleaning job. Love the way you are so fuzzy and clean thats why your jobs come out so good because you take you time and care to do it right....congrats
That's something we did where i worked, we had several industrial generators, we had a valve and extension pipe installed so we could just put a hose on the end.
We also screwed on a blanking cap on the end of the pipe to stop accidental drainage, and to protect the end.
Hi Adam, Constant mesh, Helical gears, similar to a truck gearbox, last forever!
My old Dean Smith & Grace had spur gears, not constant mesh but similar oil pump with magnetic oil filter.
Place a magnet in the bottom of the sump.
This, epoxy a neodymium magnet to the drain plug.
There is no satisfaction greater than doing the job right and everything working the way it should when your done. Good Job Man!!!!
Glad to see the old girl is running strong again with some nice fresh oil
This was SO satisfying. No idea why, it just really was.
Seeing those gears spinning in perfect harmony was a sight to behold.
You had all the fun! The wife missed out again.
Preventative maintenance is allways the best for all machines cars trucks lawnmowers anything . why wait until it fails prevent a much higher cost maintain it. Love the vid
Dang Abom. Only you could make an oil change interesting to watch.
Glad too see the process! You do a good job of taking proper care of your machines!!A good idea too do the separate video so others can reference it in the future! Thanks Adam!!!!👍👍
Awesome to see you're keeping that old beast running!
reminds me of the first 6 mo working at ALCOA/Bendix as an apprentice. all we did was clean machines and got graded on it. We had all the machines "plumbed" for easy draining.
Great maintenance! Your great, great grand kids will still be using the Monarch!
One thing I did when I changed the oil on my lathe was to add a ball valve to the drain hole, it makes it easier to drain. Once I was done I wire-laced it to keep me from accidentally opening it.
Came here to suggest the same thing
Its great to see a machine get loving care, you truly love these Babies
Hey abom! Grew up in Sidney! Happy to see you are still using a beautiful piece of machinery that my family has made parts for! Love the vids!
Do you have any photos or videos of your family making parts. That would be pretty neat to see, and Adam did say he was looking for stuff like that. Cheers!
@@shadowdog500 I do not.. My grandfather owned a machine shop that made parts for the maintanance department for monarch and my father was at the tail-end of the practice before the plant discontinued in Sidney.
Internally, that machine is a thing of beauty!
Thank you Adam, even though I don't have a lathe. I've been waiting for this video. everything you post is gold!
Well maintained machinery makes for a happy shop!