I miss going to a record store on a album release date. Buying the cd, taking it home, looking at the insert and reading the credits and shout outs. Good times
yeah and seeing who produced it, and sometimes seeing the samples used. I miss just going to the record shop and looking around, and discovering new artist just by looking at the CD/Tape/Album artwork.
Yes!! That is how is I found out who the producers were who did the music. Especially when they shouted out the name you connected it to a song from your favorite album. I miss those days.😊
Speaking as a DJ since 1991, I have a suggestion. Since the music today is such crap, I suggest we all keep playing stuff from the 80s and 90s whenever we play gigs. It will force the young artists to make better music. It will also inspire the older artists to come out of their 20 year hiatus, and start making good music again. And restore R&B in the process.
I’ve tried this but the venue managers say “the people want trap, the people want drill” me: “7 days a week, tho?” venue manager: “that’s what we build off of” [I stop getting booked]
So considering your a DJ since 1991 I'm going to say it's safe to assume you know a lot more music than I do. That being said, there's a ton of great post 2000 hip-hop music out there. Clear Soul Forces, Verbz & Mr Slipz (their album Radio Waves is incredible), Anti Lilly & Phoniks, Typical Cats, etc. Again, im sure you're hip to a lot of good hip hop music post 2000s but i felt like rambling off some acts nonetheless lol we just need balance in the mainstream rap world but that'll most likely never happen🤷♂️
I just think people are mad at what the mainstream is.....underground has never changed and its the OGs that would rather talk down about what they don't like instead of promoting the style the music they do like.....and instead of digging themselves they blame everyone except their own laziness
Ed is so right! I’m so lucky to experience the 80’s and 90’s hip hop! From Alabama went to New York came back to the south bragging about being up north! Miss that! We were so excited back then! Actually going to the store getting an album or single.
Yep. You studied the music you owned. Songs from 5 years prior were still cool. Is anyone still listening to 'Rockstar' by DaBaby today? That track is barely 2 years old, and it's lost to the ether.
But that has nothing to do with the rapper making the art if the music is trash then it’s because the music is trash it’s not trash because u can stream it on your phone in 2 seconds
Math is so right. I'm about to be 31 and I feel so sorry for even these young 20 year old kids who never got to experience opening up a album like a Common Be or a Jay Z Blue Print or a Kanye college drop out triology and really from front to back experience a classic album in real time. Like Ed said this shit is all about the algorithim's and streaming now. You do not have to be nice to make it now.
Fam listen me and my homeboy was just talking about the first time we played god’s son and heard get down for the first time bro I think we rewinded that song about 15 times like you said I feel sorry for these kids they have no idea what they missed out on
facts bruh, even though im 23 and havent listened to a lot of these older artists and am just discovering them now after math's show (i.e artists like cormega), I still grew up listening to 50 cent, nas, and eminem. Eventually though, I had to listen to these new rappers cause thats all there is but atleast I still know some of the goats of this rap sh*t. The new generation however..they'll never know and that's so sad.
@yo3rdtier128 Some are, but you have cats like Big Daddy Kane, Run-DMC (understandable because of Jay), Wu as a collective. The list goes on and on. Hell, Masta Ace is still making incredible music. I just wish it was more often, and the love was shown to the work.
Kings disease I, II, and III was fire. Now Magic I, and II is off the hook. Nas is Legendary! I love this Dude. From St. Albans to Jamaica Queens from L.L to Nas Thats the joint!
Hip hop WAS greater than the sum of its parts. The samples made the music. It caused lyricists to study more music to create more complex cadences to get into the breaks.
Let's not forget these bullshit publishers. They got greedy and wanted to charge $300,000 for a 10 second loop of an old song. That's fine for artists like Jay z and Eminem who can afford it, but what about the young and up-and-coming guys that can't afford samples that expensive, now all of a sudden, you have diluted music with the same trap and drill beats.
Ed"s really spitting facts 💯 That's the reason why I really stopped following new songs/artists after the 2010s .. I can literally count the number of good artists that came up in the last 15 years .. Most artists now just come up with their 15 mins of fame or even lesser and disappear like they weren't ever there, and nobody even gives a f .. that's why we still eager to talk more about Pac after decades of his demise than about (I don't even remember their name) rapper .. that's the reason my playlist still comprises of 99.99% songs that were all between early the 90s, probably late 80s and pretty much winds up by 2010 or 2012 if stretched too far. The only songs that I listen after this era is mostly of older artists's new releases and a handful of new artist's selected numbers. Period! For me, the best time was the 90s when we had to literally save up to go and buy a cassette tape album of our favourite artists. I completely agree with ED, it was a different feeling altogether.. That was the time when even artists were so diverse and everyone had their own styles, everyone put in work and had unique talent, coz if you weren't different than the other one or real, you just wouldn't last. It's called the "Golden Era" for a reason. I still know word to word of songs from the 95s than I know any from the recent times.. But this could subjective and to each it's own but I feel the quality of the art started decreasing when it started becoming easily available and the internet started making things more and more convenient.. Idk one person in real life now that would still but an album with real money .. I won't either .. So it's all over!! ☮️
I agree, older artists shouldn’t stop making music, especially if they can still afford to make music and if they’re still inspired, yes continue. It’s art, age shouldn’t limit it at all.
it's inevitable, it cost money to make music & when not enough comes back from it anymore, you can't tell a general to fight when there's not much to be won no more.
a lot of artist went underground or are underground. Hospin is one of them that has really a lot of talent. Check out if you never heard Hospin - ILL MIND OF HOPSIN 5
I been watching this show since Ms Fit used to be a co host and i truly believe this show is extremely important to not only just hip hop culture but black culture as a whole. The variety of guests you guys have and the topics yall discuss need to be heard. Salute to yall.
The interview hits home if you're my age, and remember this dude paved the way for these artists to be doing their thing now....Much respect to this legend!!!
Homie is talking all facts right here!!! The experience of hearing classic albums in the late 80's and 90's era when albums took you to another place and changed your life. The anticipation of the release of your favorite artist, purchasing the album, ripping off the plastic of the cover, looking at the album credits, looking at the artist lyrics, who was all involved in the album, it was amazing to see it unfold. Those albums had timeless records and that's all what "Us Old Heads" are saying!!! He right, we wanna hear these artists still make great music!!!
The current music for the most part is fast food. It’s treated as such. Quickly disposable. Back in the days guys took their time making records. Guys took years to release albums and it showed in the material. Quality product that has lasted the rest of time.
Loving an entire album and the vibe of an artist is a lost art. First mind blowing albums: PE: Yo! Bum Rush the Show and BDP: Criminal Minded -- the feeling you got from every song having LYRICS and MUSIC actually saying something and speak to something real. Let's not even go there about going to the club and seeing them live.
This was so inspiring to me im a 37 year old emcee from Chicago have never had major success but enough people around the world have reached out and told me how my music affected them.. or when one of my albums had to be pulled down the emails and DMs i got asking what happened to keep me going. Just got so much wisdom and inspiration in this interview ❤
A time you couldn’t find a record that constantly built anticipation for an album that extended its life is a point that rarely if ever comes up in these conversations. Props.
Hip hop is only about 50 years old. Thats still fairly young musically. These old heads need to keep making music because there is a story to be told. There's nothing like hearing the contrast between a 20 yr old killer mike and the growth of a 40 yr old killer mike. Only in hip hop do we try and stop older artist from creating. Nas's last coulple of albums were bangers. The whole damn album!
Also because it’s still the best hiphop & to keep it a Buck the old heads eventually will rub off on these young wannabe rappers….I often play some stuff from the 90’s for my son whenever we in the car & going to the barbershop etc & sometimes my son is like “ Is that a oldschool rapper, who is that ? …….I’m like yeah this is from the 90’s….I ask “ Do NBA Youngboy got any bars for that ? My son is very honest so most of the time he will say “ Not that lyrical Pop “
Ed is the type of hip hop figure that raised us 80’s and 90’s babies. We used to run home from school to watch Yo MTV Raps with him and Dr Dre and before that another legendary figure Fab Five Freddy. These brothas was from the community, had style and humor, and most importantly of all cared about and loved HIP HOP MUSIC. Can’t forget Ralph McDaniels either. I feel bad the younger generations don’t have these type of figures in their life or get to experience hiphop when it was pure and high frequency music.
Im 46 from Jamaica Queens been listening to rap music since I was 8 but really like 4 or 5 cause I use to listen to it around my neighborhood all the cars blasting it and loved it. Who cares what these young kids think, This is our culture us 70's - 80's babies. They are doing something else now.
I can remember the feeling of sheer excitement as a teenager when I first listened to Illmatic. I made it a point to have each of my children know the songs and artists I grew up listening to like my parents did me as a young child. So most of my childhood favorites are also theirs too.
Facts man the hard work is not in the music industry. To give another example is back in the day you use to watch rappers be broke and with each album they seem to get richer and richer. It gave the essence of hard work equals success ie j cole, drake, Kendrick, big Sean, wale, etc… nowadays all these new rappers come in the game with a shit load of jewelry, money, and designer clothes to the point where they all look the same!
I remembered listening to Ice Cube Anerikka's Most Wanted, Scarface " Mr. Scarface Is Back", BDP " My Philosophy", LL Cool J " I'm Bad " , D.O.C " No One Can Do It Better, even most recently RIP Nipsey Hussle" Victory Lap". Those types of albums were you couldn't wait to unpack and listen to.
Ed was dropping some jewels! I 100% agree that the older artists need to keep making music. I'm loving the run Nas has been on with Hit Boy. I'm hyped that LL's about to drop some new music. I love that artists like Busta & Ice Cube are still doing music. Would love some new Wu-Tang, Rakim, etc. right now.
Wow, his explanation is spot on. I see it in other forms of art as well. Students don’t want to learn the “process”. They can care less about it. They want to get to the finish product and reward as fast as possible.
I remember every Tuesday going out and buying the new artist that would drop, but I knew from where I'm from not many people knew that K-Mart sold the new CD's every Tuesday for $9.99, when FYE was selling them for nearly 20dlls, K-Mart was my spot when I saw that they weren't selling edited versions, I miss them days I still have my 2 Bibles as what I like to call them my two big CD albums with all my CD's in order😂
I agree but the difference is compared to when the older people thought rap was not good in the late 80ty 90tys an earlier 2000s is because they thought the messeges rap was giving in those times was bad when it came to gangsta rap an hustler drug selling rap but they never thought they wasn't lyricist early 90tys an earlier 2000s rap has evolved lyricly...rap now has not evolved at all lyricly its terrible and also its things being done in rap that wouldn't even been considered cool in the 80ty 90ty or early 2000s o yea let me not forget everybody is dammn near the same in this new era 😂😂
It used to be a certain standard that rappers had to meet to get in the "industry". I think it's a natural progression of music and the current society. Rap is in an era and I think rap will correct itself in due time. We just need to find the fine line between up and coming, and industry. SoundCloud showed the labels that grassroots raps are just as profitable as mainstream artists. So they're reaching for the next big thing before they're proven artists
Problem is..in hip hop culture..it was all about hearing the shit first..all about what was fresh or new..it was about discovering new artists on mix tapes..and that's why older artists never had the longevity and the fan support like the rock artists. Always on to the next..
It’s hard to explain the impact 50 had when his first album came out you literally had to be there around that to feel the experience still haven’t seen anything like that til this day he had the rap game in a chokehold those sales were real everybody had it and you heard it in every car that passed by
when Snoop dropped Doggystyle the muzik store parking lot was a club & everybody was pumpn the cd. That shit was so dope. These kidz will never know that experience. Even if the OGz don't rap, do videos for those classic songs that are still dope today.
Nas is still making music...Like MCs gotta remember, the fans you had at 22 years old are the same age of you and they wanna hear you still. i'm 46 years old and all I listen to is hip hop...it hurts me as a fan, when the greats don't want to do music anymore..3 Stacks, Jay etc etc...Shout out to Method Man who still spitting...That age shit gotta stop...nobody ever tell Rock Stars to stop...So "Old" MCs keep going keep putting that shit out...
im glad to hear Ed encourage us older artists cuz I definitely been feeling like no one really wants to hear us... But I also been thinking that things got to where they are partly because I and many peers didn't put out music from around 2000 to now... when Atlanta crunk took over then went to the strip club then to the trap... also when Viacom wouldn't play the videos from de la prt and others who kept that consciousness in the raps
Back in the day, if you wanted to rap, you had to be ready to drop a 16 and/or battle at any given time. Plus you had to have people vouch for you. You couldnt just record something, upload it online & get a buzz like today. You really had to go thru an exercise in those days.
Another thing that happens a lot (I’m a DJ) is I’ll be playing at an outdoor function, then I’ll open the mic and say “anyone who wanna freestyle, come on up” - first approach is always a soundcloud rapper who wants me to pull _his_ tracks up, right at the park, so he can rap over the words. That’s not freestyling! Lemme throw this Biggie beat on, fit your flow around this cut, actually impress these people
The pitfalls of not embracing our youth and guiding them. When the young left on their own, it's pandemonium. And we can blame no one but ourselves turning a blind eye.
This is why age doesn't matter in music. Marketing is the only thing that matters. Plus, older artists with a younger mentality could potneitlaly outshine younger artists as they have more mastery of craft
Maxell tapes, Eveready batteries and Tower Records. Ahhhh ..those Ed Lover mixes on 'BLS keep my arse outta the streets and my ears glued to the radio. Couldn't/wouldn't miss them shows for nothin' ! Thanks for the memories, Ed !
I’m 27 yo. Just old enough to still remember the wave of albums. I’m the generation who had to be the test dummy for new shit while still be blessed with the old shit. Kids today are screwed it’s all cheap out out new shit from everything clothes to tech etc
If you a 80’s baby from NY Ed lover practically raised you. There were no podcasts, blogs, websites, social media.. there was just radio shows and MTV raps
Thats why that tribe call quest album a few years ago dropped falls into this conversation. It was just good to hear a tribe album didnt matter if it didnt sell
Love the clips, I watch at home. Dope hearing these stories by Ed Lover..Math, we got to get Hammer on here bro. Hammer paved the way for the commercial success and cross over tours we see today. Many dissed him in the name of gangster rap but Hammer had a cartoon, cereal, commercials and international acclaim before they really allowed hip hop in. Will Smith and Hammer being completely ignored during the 50th Anniversary
Glad someone finally spoke up on this. Exactly why I stopped recording rap music and moved on to DJing. Rap industry is artificial now with no authenticity. Just a popularity club and a circus. Put some tattoos on your face, dye your hair or twerk and say the most basic preschool rap and you got 10 million followers and views. Rap is dead
No one has to create an entire album anymore either... quality from top to bottom... start to finish. This is another "snowball effect" when it comes to the "download" era of music in general. They mention a number of great artists and songs... but those artists compiling an album that is stellar the whole way through is missing... a true musical experience. The Outkast album ATLiens had that impact on me at a young age... masterpiece
I just listened to LL Cool J spit on sway in the morning, and it absolutely blew my mind! The man is the goat for a reason! I don’t know if it’s old or new but you’re really need to go hear it!!! IT’S…JUST….DIFFERENT!!! to the parents a legend, to the children a myth, here’s a first-hand experience of Mr. Smith, 🔥🔥🔥💥💥🤯
Shout out to Ed! I've ran into this dude so many times growing up and he NEVER told me anything wrong. Not at open mics and not when he caught me cutting school. Always been the Community Father / Big Brother type.
I watched that Hip Hop 50 concert the other night, and you look at it and realize that these artists created songs that became classics. 30-40 year old songs still resonate with the fans that banged it when the song came out. I cant imagine Chief Keef performing in 2050 one of his wack ass songs that people liked, or Lil Yachty, or 69, or Lil Whateverthefuck.
I miss going to a record store on a album release date. Buying the cd, taking it home, looking at the insert and reading the credits and shout outs. Good times
yeah and seeing who produced it, and sometimes seeing the samples used. I miss just going to the record shop and looking around, and discovering new artist just by looking at the CD/Tape/Album artwork.
Yeaaa facts i miss it too!
It was the excitement of seeing if they had it or it sold out!
Yes, seeing the photos, the thanks you’s, the graphics, the artistry used. Spending hours in the record store
Buying my car not a cd player my first car EVER I had in my life smh 🤦 I miss cd and tape Era. I had a connect to get all the top hot shit,
Yes!! That is how is I found out who the producers were who did the music. Especially when they shouted out the name you connected it to a song from your favorite album. I miss those days.😊
Speaking as a DJ since 1991, I have a suggestion. Since the music today is such crap, I suggest we all keep playing stuff from the 80s and 90s whenever we play gigs. It will force the young artists to make better music. It will also inspire the older artists to come out of their 20 year hiatus, and start making good music again. And restore R&B in the process.
I’ve tried this but the venue managers say “the people want trap, the people want drill” me: “7 days a week, tho?” venue manager: “that’s what we build off of” [I stop getting booked]
@@tallbianca Well thank God they haven't told me that yet. People get on the floor and dance when I play.90s stuff.
That's a pretty good idea
So considering your a DJ since 1991 I'm going to say it's safe to assume you know a lot more music than I do. That being said, there's a ton of great post 2000 hip-hop music out there. Clear Soul Forces, Verbz & Mr Slipz (their album Radio Waves is incredible), Anti Lilly & Phoniks, Typical Cats, etc. Again, im sure you're hip to a lot of good hip hop music post 2000s but i felt like rambling off some acts nonetheless lol we just need balance in the mainstream rap world but that'll most likely never happen🤷♂️
I'm a dj too, and if we did that we would be out of work
So many artist so scared to call the state of hip hop trash now due to fear of the back lash or killing there money but im glad he said what he said
Hip Hop has been trash for over a decade now.
Em was the only person to put mumble rap on blast and even then it was more like a jab and not an all-out assault
Thats true i say it all the time.
@@upaboveit26Em was trash too if we’re being honest but he was still better than this trash we have today
I just think people are mad at what the mainstream is.....underground has never changed and its the OGs that would rather talk down about what they don't like instead of promoting the style the music they do like.....and instead of digging themselves they blame everyone except their own laziness
Ed is so right! I’m so lucky to experience the 80’s and 90’s hip hop! From Alabama went to New York came back to the south bragging about being up north! Miss that! We were so excited back then! Actually going to the store getting an album or single.
That sh%# was everything
Yep. You studied the music you owned. Songs from 5 years prior were still cool. Is anyone still listening to 'Rockstar' by DaBaby today? That track is barely 2 years old, and it's lost to the ether.
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But that has nothing to do with the rapper making the art if the music is trash then it’s because the music is trash it’s not trash because u can stream it on your phone in 2 seconds
I've thoroughly enjoyed this interview, his knowledge from a historical standpoint on the culture is priceless
Indeed true
Facts
Yep. This has been my favourite since the Qtip interview.
Definitely was a great Interview
Knowledge Is Power. Ed Lover dropping science. Definitely tuned in.
Math is so right. I'm about to be 31 and I feel so sorry for even these young 20 year old kids who never got to experience opening up a album like a Common Be or a Jay Z Blue Print or a Kanye college drop out triology and really from front to back experience a classic album in real time. Like Ed said this shit is all about the algorithim's and streaming now. You do not have to be nice to make it now.
So what niccas is getting rich and creating wealth phuck how you get it if it doesn’t go against your morals
I'm 27 and I'm dreading the death of physical media
Fam listen me and my homeboy was just talking about the first time we played god’s son and heard get down for the first time bro I think we rewinded that song about 15 times like you said I feel sorry for these kids they have no idea what they missed out on
@@jomarcoliverman4971 bruhhhhh 😩😩😩😩. I'd read the credits with the album playing. Being stuck on one song for hours is an experience within itself.
facts bruh, even though im 23 and havent listened to a lot of these older artists and am just discovering them now after math's show (i.e artists like cormega), I still grew up listening to 50 cent, nas, and eminem. Eventually though, I had to listen to these new rappers cause thats all there is but atleast I still know some of the goats of this rap sh*t. The new generation however..they'll never know and that's so sad.
Ed is talking about some real shit. The older artists need to continue making music.
But they are still making music and that ‘ish is wack af, like Nas album. We got this
@@yo3rdtier128which album
Yea AZ last album was 🔥
@yo3rdtier128 Some are, but you have cats like Big Daddy Kane, Run-DMC (understandable because of Jay), Wu as a collective. The list goes on and on. Hell, Masta Ace is still making incredible music. I just wish it was more often, and the love was shown to the work.
Got what y’all not selling no ticket y’all got mad cancel show lol
Ed is speaking my language. The frequency changed and everyone jumped on the same wavelength.
This is why What Nas is doing at this stage of his career is absolutely mind blowing. The Goat
Kings disease I, II, and III was fire. Now Magic I, and II is off the hook. Nas is Legendary! I love this Dude. From St. Albans to Jamaica Queens from L.L to Nas Thats the joint!
All his recent albums blow out all competition not named Kendrick. Then he still beats Kendrick
@@upaboveit26I didn't know people still bought music 😂😂
@@michaelsimmons-sc5dsUpaboveit26 ain't say not one damn word about buying no music. Which leads me to WTF are you talking about?
@@tw82rone5 it's not that serious calm down go take a jog or something 😂😂😂
Ed Lover is a LEGEND AND DESERVES ALL THE HIGHEST RESPECT IN THE WORLD
Hip hop WAS greater than the sum of its parts. The samples made the music. It caused lyricists to study more music to create more complex cadences to get into the breaks.
Well said💯
True
Right on point its all about rocking the Breaks👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Let's not forget these bullshit publishers. They got greedy and wanted to charge $300,000 for a 10 second loop of an old song. That's fine for artists like Jay z and Eminem who can afford it, but what about the young and up-and-coming guys that can't afford samples that expensive, now all of a sudden, you have diluted music with the same trap and drill beats.
Hip hop was garfiti art, break dancing and street clothing
Finally one of the OG’s keeping it real about the current state of music.
Thats right.
Its not a talent show.
Its a popularity contest.
Real talk bruh…….Jake Paul or Kai cenet could drop a album tomorrow and it would out sell Nas recent album
@@cedricfontenette9187 sad but true.
You can say that again.
That's what real experience sounds like. I'm grateful for growin up on Ed & Dre's version of Yo! Mtv Raps.
Hip hop in 2023 is not the same.
I'm born in '04 listening to old school hip hop tellin my friends "you don't understand this is hip-hop" 😂
@jusnbldrop an album or shut up, all in everybody's comments
@jusnbl
McDonalds burger thinking it's filet mignon
I APPLAUD you young man, truly. You do get it.
Born in 04...you don't understand it either
@@truthiscensored i know it's different living in those tomes but that's the best I can do though
Ed"s really spitting facts 💯 That's the reason why I really stopped following new songs/artists after the 2010s .. I can literally count the number of good artists that came up in the last 15 years .. Most artists now just come up with their 15 mins of fame or even lesser and disappear like they weren't ever there, and nobody even gives a f .. that's why we still eager to talk more about Pac after decades of his demise than about (I don't even remember their name) rapper .. that's the reason my playlist still comprises of 99.99% songs that were all between early the 90s, probably late 80s and pretty much winds up by 2010 or 2012 if stretched too far. The only songs that I listen after this era is mostly of older artists's new releases and a handful of new artist's selected numbers. Period! For me, the best time was the 90s when we had to literally save up to go and buy a cassette tape album of our favourite artists. I completely agree with ED, it was a different feeling altogether.. That was the time when even artists were so diverse and everyone had their own styles, everyone put in work and had unique talent, coz if you weren't different than the other one or real, you just wouldn't last. It's called the "Golden Era" for a reason. I still know word to word of songs from the 95s than I know any from the recent times.. But this could subjective and to each it's own but I feel the quality of the art started decreasing when it started becoming easily available and the internet started making things more and more convenient.. Idk one person in real life now that would still but an album with real money .. I won't either .. So it's all over!! ☮️
I agree, older artists shouldn’t stop making music, especially if they can still afford to make music and if they’re still inspired, yes continue. It’s art, age shouldn’t limit it at all.
it's inevitable, it cost money to make music & when not enough comes back from it anymore, you can't tell a general to fight when there's not much to be won no more.
a lot of artist went underground or are underground. Hospin is one of them that has really a lot of talent. Check out if you never heard Hospin - ILL MIND OF HOPSIN 5
It's only an issue when it comes to rappers everyone else gets to make music til they can't anymore 😅
Ed Lover is 💯💯💯 on point. The majority of Hip Hop is devolving. It’s moving backwards……The algorithms are encouraging this microwave era.
I been watching this show since Ms Fit used to be a co host and i truly believe this show is extremely important to not only just hip hop culture but black culture as a whole. The variety of guests you guys have and the topics yall discuss need to be heard. Salute to yall.
He needs more activists with organizations and actual scholars with books on one subject or even various subjects.
Don’t care what you believe chump
@@borneternallordallah1472 they just talking where is the demonstration
Explain @@awwskit9753
I mean yea sprinkle some in every now and then but this ain’t that
The interview hits home if you're my age, and remember this dude paved the way for these artists to be doing their thing now....Much respect to this legend!!!
Homie is talking all facts right here!!! The experience of hearing classic albums in the late 80's and 90's era when albums took you to another place and changed your life. The anticipation of the release of your favorite artist, purchasing the album, ripping off the plastic of the cover, looking at the album credits, looking at the artist lyrics, who was all involved in the album, it was amazing to see it unfold. Those albums had timeless records and that's all what "Us Old Heads" are saying!!! He right, we wanna hear these artists still make great music!!!
i still buy cd's
It still feels that way y’all just have to be in da underground
The current music for the most part is fast food. It’s treated as such. Quickly disposable. Back in the days guys took their time making records. Guys took years to release albums and it showed in the material. Quality product that has lasted the rest of time.
This comment is Gold!!
Good description: fast food music, which equals low vibrations or low frequency
Truth
I remember buying The Chronic 4 times, album turned a lot of cats into thieves
That album came out when I was born but Let me Ride my JOINT
Loving an entire album and the vibe of an artist is a lost art. First mind blowing albums: PE: Yo! Bum Rush the Show and BDP: Criminal Minded -- the feeling you got from every song having LYRICS and MUSIC actually saying something and speak to something real. Let's not even go there about going to the club and seeing them live.
Ed has a good point! I remember waiting for the CD to drop, And straight putting money down for the physical CD 💿
I miss the Compton Swap meet!
That, and any artwork, photographs or even song lyrics printed in the booklet, that made your purchase worthwhile.
@@chrisv966 yup! That’s for sure 🤙🏼
@jusnbl ? Next up?
Prodigy shook ones intro still give me goosebumps till this day
Goodie mob was ahead of its time they said it best "they dont dance no more"
Exactly 💯
Agreed. Older HipHop Artist should never 🛑. They will save our Music.
This was so inspiring to me im a 37 year old emcee from Chicago have never had major success but enough people around the world have reached out and told me how my music affected them.. or when one of my albums had to be pulled down the emails and DMs i got asking what happened to keep me going. Just got so much wisdom and inspiration in this interview ❤
Fellow 37 year old musician here. 💯💯💯💯💯
Brother keep going I too can relate I am 36 yrs of age and we shall breakthrough 💯💪🏾
@@thablackkat9905same for you broski don’t let up keep applying pressure. Real Music is what will keep HipHop or our music as a whole ALIVE!!!
Do it because you love it✊🏿
🎤🕶 A.I. is the next big rap star
A time you couldn’t find a record that constantly built anticipation for an album that extended its life is a point that rarely if ever comes up in these conversations. Props.
Hip hop is only about 50 years old. Thats still fairly young musically. These old heads need to keep making music because there is a story to be told. There's nothing like hearing the contrast between a 20 yr old killer mike and the growth of a 40 yr old killer mike. Only in hip hop do we try and stop older artist from creating. Nas's last coulple of albums were bangers. The whole damn album!
Also because it’s still the best hiphop & to keep it a Buck the old heads eventually will rub off on these young wannabe rappers….I often play some stuff from the 90’s for my son whenever we in the car & going to the barbershop etc & sometimes my son is like “ Is that a oldschool rapper, who is that ? …….I’m like yeah this is from the 90’s….I ask “ Do NBA Youngboy got any bars for that ? My son is very honest so most of the time he will say “ Not that lyrical Pop “
That Kool G Rap and 38 Spesh album is dope too.
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@@frank-xp6pj old school hip hop lives on I'm 55 if you from NYC take him to 1520 Sedgwick Av on 8/12/2023 and check out the historic concert
Some might be discouraged by bad label dealing previously that they don't even want to deal with it anymore.
Ed is the type of hip hop figure that raised us 80’s and 90’s babies. We used to run home from school to watch Yo MTV Raps with him and Dr Dre and before that another legendary figure Fab Five Freddy. These brothas was from the community, had style and humor, and most importantly of all cared about and loved HIP HOP MUSIC. Can’t forget Ralph McDaniels either. I feel bad the younger generations don’t have these type of figures in their life or get to experience hiphop when it was pure and high frequency music.
Im 46 from Jamaica Queens been listening to rap music since I was 8 but really like 4 or 5 cause I use to listen to it around my neighborhood all the cars blasting it and loved it. Who cares what these young kids think, This is our culture us 70's - 80's babies. They are doing something else now.
I can remember the feeling of sheer excitement as a teenager when I first listened to Illmatic. I made it a point to have each of my children know the songs and artists I grew up listening to like my parents did me as a young child. So most of my childhood favorites are also theirs too.
Ed dropped some of the realest ish ever in this interview!💯
This is why most artist who came out in the 90s are all legends because they went through a process and paid dues💯💯✅
ED LOVER EXplained it perfectly and it's all by design the truth is the light
Older artist are necessary in all genres! Youth inject new life, but the perspective of experience is priceless!
Facts man the hard work is not in the music industry. To give another example is back in the day you use to watch rappers be broke and with each album they seem to get richer and richer. It gave the essence of hard work equals success ie j cole, drake, Kendrick, big Sean, wale, etc… nowadays all these new rappers come in the game with a shit load of jewelry, money, and designer clothes to the point where they all look the same!
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I remembered listening to Ice Cube Anerikka's Most Wanted, Scarface " Mr. Scarface Is Back", BDP " My Philosophy", LL Cool J " I'm Bad " , D.O.C " No One Can Do It Better, even most recently RIP Nipsey Hussle" Victory Lap". Those types of albums were you couldn't wait to unpack and listen to.
He is right. If its overly accessible and its there, you just click on it and thats it.😊
He a old hater and he starving
I'm still not clicking on it. I ain't tryna fcuk my algorithms up even more
There was a pre order for ALL EYEZ ON ME. Literally went platinum before it was released. And if you didn’t pre order. You had to wait.
Finally someone said it. Rap is dying with this generation. Its sad.
Hip-Hop is the only genre that refuses to recognize and respect sub-genres. There are still modern artists that release bar heavy and creative songs.
Brother’s killing each other for what? The F class who’s the real sucker let’s bless the soldiers who died one love rough ride to the skies 🙏🏿
Ed was dropping some jewels! I 100% agree that the older artists need to keep making music. I'm loving the run Nas has been on with Hit Boy. I'm hyped that LL's about to drop some new music. I love that artists like Busta & Ice Cube are still doing music. Would love some new Wu-Tang, Rakim, etc. right now.
I love what Math is doing. Proud of bro!
He's a snake
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Great interview
@@terrancewyatt5566 I don't know that brother personally to say this about him. Much love.
Just going by what his former co-host has said he did
I can listen to Ed lover all day man.. so much knowledge, love when he speaks about the history of hip hop
Wow, his explanation is spot on. I see it in other forms of art as well. Students don’t want to learn the “process”. They can care less about it. They want to get to the finish product and reward as fast as possible.
Ed Lover saying everything real hiphop heads feel.
I remember every Tuesday going out and buying the new artist that would drop, but I knew from where I'm from not many people knew that K-Mart sold the new CD's every Tuesday for $9.99, when FYE was selling them for nearly 20dlls, K-Mart was my spot when I saw that they weren't selling edited versions, I miss them days I still have my 2 Bibles as what I like to call them my two big CD albums with all my CD's in order😂
Made my day. So true what he said about the music not moving you to get up. That's deep and so much more. Thanks for this interview.
I'm trying so hard to get known so the old heads can hear my music. I'm a 90's baby. I was raised in good music. And that's what I make
another Wu-Tang collective album would be EPIC. Really digging the history & topics you guys are dropping glad I subscribed
RZA killed the Wu, blame that weirdo
When we were young old heads said our music was trash too. I don’t criticize the younger generation.
Came here for this comment. The cycle/saga continues
That's true but it's s on a different level of trash now
@user-mv7kh5sv9z right. This new stuff is horrible!
I agree but the difference is compared to when the older people thought rap was not good in the late 80ty 90tys an earlier 2000s is because they thought the messeges rap was giving in those times was bad when it came to gangsta rap an hustler drug selling rap but they never thought they wasn't lyricist early 90tys an earlier 2000s rap has evolved lyricly...rap now has not evolved at all lyricly its terrible and also its things being done in rap that wouldn't even been considered cool in the 80ty 90ty or early 2000s o yea let me not forget everybody is dammn near the same in this new era 😂😂
@@o̸ණtrue, but it's also true that EVERY generation says the newer one has decayed in some Elemental sense
Hip Hop culture and history is so important. I'm glad Ed and other Founders are still sharing th history with us.e
It used to be a certain standard that rappers had to meet to get in the "industry". I think it's a natural progression of music and the current society. Rap is in an era and I think rap will correct itself in due time. We just need to find the fine line between up and coming, and industry. SoundCloud showed the labels that grassroots raps are just as profitable as mainstream artists. So they're reaching for the next big thing before they're proven artists
I sure hope so. Good comment.
Nah...the jews picked the dumbest of the dumb who only want to "LOOK" rich!
Rap is good but these young ones in this generation makes wack music.
Problem is..in hip hop culture..it was all about hearing the shit first..all about what was fresh or new..it was about discovering new artists on mix tapes..and that's why older artists never had the longevity and the fan support like the rock artists. Always on to the next..
Couldn't have said it better man. 💯
He speaking All Facts here. FR
I definitely agree with Ed that older hip hop artists need to keep making records. Maybe that can save hip hop.
It will
Honestly it's going to very hard cause this new generation of young people on something else smh
Well explained by Ed Lover, great podcast, Math 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
It’s hard to explain the impact 50 had when his first album came out you literally had to be there around that to feel the experience still haven’t seen anything like that til this day he had the rap game in a chokehold those sales were real everybody had it and you heard it in every car that passed by
If anything the sales in tht era are downplayed because everything was so heavily bootlegged.
With Pac and Biggie gone, he had little real competition back then.
when Snoop dropped Doggystyle the muzik store parking lot was a club & everybody was pumpn the cd. That shit was so dope. These kidz will never know that experience. Even if the OGz don't rap, do videos for those classic songs that are still dope today.
My granfatha said snoop was trash see how the cycling continue i like snoop
I still remember standing outside we were on the news in San Diego it was a news story how big this album was
Ed Lover dropping science! I miss the old skool hip hop and back in the dayz, but it makes me smile knowing I took part in it! Peace.
Nas is still making music...Like MCs gotta remember, the fans you had at 22 years old are the same age of you and they wanna hear you still. i'm 46 years old and all I listen to is hip hop...it hurts me as a fan, when the greats don't want to do music anymore..3 Stacks, Jay etc etc...Shout out to Method Man who still spitting...That age shit gotta stop...nobody ever tell Rock Stars to stop...So "Old" MCs keep going keep putting that shit out...
im 43 part of OAN crew, grew up on Yo Mtv Raps, Ed a legend
Very enlightening interview. It's all systematic. The music, the home, the streets, all of it.
im glad to hear Ed encourage us older artists cuz I definitely been feeling like no one really wants to hear us... But I also been thinking that things got to where they are partly because I and many peers didn't put out music from around 2000 to now... when Atlanta crunk took over then went to the strip club then to the trap... also when Viacom wouldn't play the videos from de la prt and others who kept that consciousness in the raps
Back in the day, if you wanted to rap, you had to be ready to drop a 16 and/or battle at any given time. Plus you had to have people vouch for you. You couldnt just record something, upload it online & get a buzz like today. You really had to go thru an exercise in those days.
Exactly.now you don't need no skills
Another thing that happens a lot (I’m a DJ) is I’ll be playing at an outdoor function, then I’ll open the mic and say “anyone who wanna freestyle, come on up” - first approach is always a soundcloud rapper who wants me to pull _his_ tracks up, right at the park, so he can rap over the words. That’s not freestyling! Lemme throw this Biggie beat on, fit your flow around this cut, actually impress these people
Much love and respect now we gotta figure out how to repair, restore
He’s preaching the Hip Hop Bible right now!
Ed is the man! He’s speaking facts!
I always had much respect for Ed, he's like my uncle from another. Shout the Big Homie
One of the best interviews I have seen in a long time. Ed lover needs to do more interviews
GRODT stayed in my cd player for 6 months! These songs now are good for about a week!
Ed Lover is one of the best interviews to date. Good work👍🏾
The pitfalls of not embracing our youth and guiding them. When the young left on their own, it's pandemonium. And we can blame no one but ourselves turning a blind eye.
This is master Jedi talking!!!! Love Ed Lover!!!!
This is why age doesn't matter in music. Marketing is the only thing that matters. Plus, older artists with a younger mentality could potneitlaly outshine younger artists as they have more mastery of craft
This why Ed Lover is so hip hop. He's speaking pure facts!
Ed Lover and Bill Bellamy’s stories are legendary.
Maxell tapes, Eveready batteries and Tower Records. Ahhhh ..those Ed Lover mixes on 'BLS keep my arse outta the streets and my ears glued to the radio. Couldn't/wouldn't miss them shows for nothin' ! Thanks for the memories, Ed !
Man Ed is preaching.I guess by Me being a certain age I feel this shit tremendously.
Professor Griff told us in the 1900’s what we are experiencing right now.
95% of rap artists wouldn't sell in record stores 2:08
If they say fuck the streams and go back to people having to just buy albums from the store a lot of rappers would be in trouble
I’m 27 yo. Just old enough to still remember the wave of albums. I’m the generation who had to be the test dummy for new shit while still be blessed with the old shit. Kids today are screwed it’s all cheap out out new shit from everything clothes to tech etc
If you a 80’s baby from NY Ed lover practically raised you. There were no podcasts, blogs, websites, social media.. there was just radio shows and MTV raps
Thats why that tribe call quest album a few years ago dropped falls into this conversation. It was just good to hear a tribe album didnt matter if it didnt sell
Love the clips, I watch at home. Dope hearing these stories by Ed Lover..Math, we got to get Hammer on here bro. Hammer paved the way for the commercial success and cross over tours we see today. Many dissed him in the name of gangster rap but Hammer had a cartoon, cereal, commercials and international acclaim before they really allowed hip hop in. Will Smith and Hammer being completely ignored during the 50th Anniversary
Thanks for this Math! Ed is my generations movement, where barz, originally and talent MATTER!
A Hammer interview would be 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥.
Also, Hammer showed rappers how to brand themselves and do things outside of music.
@@TalkinnGrubbinMedia they were too stupid and jealous to see the game at the time.
part of a great interview.. i'd love to see Ed Lover & Bimmy Atney together chop it up on this forum.. keep up the good work Math & Crew
I always liked Ed. He's a great storyteller
Glad someone finally spoke up on this. Exactly why I stopped recording rap music and moved on to DJing. Rap industry is artificial now with no authenticity. Just a popularity club and a circus. Put some tattoos on your face, dye your hair or twerk and say the most basic preschool rap and you got 10 million followers and views. Rap is dead
No one has to create an entire album anymore either... quality from top to bottom... start to finish. This is another "snowball effect" when it comes to the "download" era of music in general.
They mention a number of great artists and songs... but those artists compiling an album that is stellar the whole way through is missing... a true musical experience. The Outkast album ATLiens had that impact on me at a young age... masterpiece
TRUE TALK!!!!! God bless Big Brother ed Lover and his family. PEACE.
I just listened to LL Cool J spit on sway in the morning, and it absolutely blew my mind! The man is the goat for a reason! I don’t know if it’s old or new but you’re really need to go hear it!!! IT’S…JUST….DIFFERENT!!! to the parents a legend, to the children a myth, here’s a first-hand experience of Mr. Smith, 🔥🔥🔥💥💥🤯
Incredible 🐐
LL COOL J IS HARD AS HELL
Word LL got busy on sway
Ed lover is 100 telling straight facts we as a people have to do better pull together strengthen ours so keep music alive
This was a 🔥 interview frfr Salute
Shout out to Ed! I've ran into this dude so many times growing up and he NEVER told me anything wrong. Not at open mics and not when he caught me cutting school. Always been the Community Father / Big Brother type.
this is the same thing thats killing the tv and movie industry too.... bring back dvd cd
I watched that Hip Hop 50 concert the other night, and you look at it and realize that these artists created songs that became classics. 30-40 year old songs still resonate with the fans that banged it when the song came out. I cant imagine Chief Keef performing in 2050 one of his wack ass songs that people liked, or Lil Yachty, or 69, or Lil Whateverthefuck.