if crazy frog has 1 million fans I'm one of them if crazy frog has 5 fans then I'm one of them too if crazy frog has 1 fan then that's fan is me if crazy frog has 0 fans I'm dead I will always be a crazy frog fan
Never forget that Rick Beato is homophobic, causing Adam Neely to stop associating with him. He replied to a comment criticizing him saying to “say hi to your boyfriend for me”. The guy commenting wasn’t being rude nor was he queer
@@CosmicPotato it was around 2018/2019. i commented this before but rick has way more fanboys that i thought, so i got called a hater or a softie. at least now people are rightfully calling him out for his faults. i’ll try to find the original comment or video though anyway
it's crazy how good rick beato could be if he just did his music theory/production song breakdowns and interviews and stopped the boomer nostalgia bait
Only thing that confuses me here is the question of sample size of 5 songs per year. Sure, it might not change decades long trends, but on a decade short parts it might differ wildly if we add top-10 or top-20 songs. I get that even top-5 is a lot of work, but still.
I agree that it's a relatively small sample size, but given that a top-10 sample size would have them listen to 730 songs in total (or 1460 songs in total if they used top-20), if they did want to replicate the study with a bigger sample size, they're gonna need WAY more help to analyze the songs than if just the two listed authors did the work alone.
@@ramenai Yep, hopefully the attention from this paper gets the research group a grant that lets another 2 PhD students listen to 10 songs each and look at 5 more metrics
Same here, it says something about how iconic the Billie Jean drums are that there wasn't even a second option for what that could have been. Quincy Jones worked some magic in the studio that day
The equilibrium idea is really fascinating. You can apply it to pretty much every genre and see what they emphasize and where they cut back, which is really neat to think about.
As a statistician (by trade at least anyway) this is an incredibly interesting way to turn music into data and actually perform an analysis on it. Great job to Madeline and whoever else aided her in this research Also the “this study doesn’t mean you should assume that music is bad now” is so important, there are too many people who take data as absolute truth and have no idea how to actually interpret data and read between the lines of what it’s actually saying
I was a “pop doomer” until until a couple years ago. I absolutely hated most pop music of the 2010’s, it was overly repetitive and I just didn’t like it. But starting a couple years ago it feels better, there’s more instruments and more interesting lyrics. For the first time in a decade I’m actually listening to and enjoying pop music which is really surprising to me because I had pretty much written it off
The progression from me being 14 like "ewww Soulja boy this shit sucks I listen to rock and good hip hop like the roots" to now understanding how beautiful the simplicity of crank dat is
Same here but for me, it was more pop in the late 2010s It just felt like 2017-2019 was operating on 3 hours of sleep & ambien. Just nothing but moody singing over tepid trap beats, Imaginedragons overproduced yet underwritten indie rock songs you’d hear in Laptops commercials, or bland EDM songs with nameless singers. Most of pop musics titans were asleep during this era or doing other things or failing. But starting 2020, it feels like Pop Music has started to have life again and to feel like Pop music again. It genuinely feels like Pop Music is being Pop Music again and having life in it and I’m glad for that. It’s made listening to local radio in the car much better & conversations around Pop singers much more fun and interesting, both due to the newer Pop artists & so many pop titans returning(Beyonce, Gaga, Rihanna sort of, etc) to the spotlight again for their music
Rick was a jazz professor and a big theory guy, so its not surprising he finds a lot of the composition bad. He does hone in on the production and often compliments it.
I don’t think that music has gotten worse but I do think that the TikTok trends of shorter songs as songs are forgoing bridges and tension as well as key changes makes pop music less interesting to me. I’m a big K-pop fan and have observed this a lot. But every decade has its fair share of bad pop songs that we forget about. The best songs are the ones that always will be remembered. So I don’t think music is getting worse I think everything has peaks and valleys. But I don’t like a lot of current trends right now. Also as Justin Timberlake once said “what goes around goes around goes around goes around comes back around” so older trends always come back!
"There's sort of a maximum amount of complexity that we can handle in music in order for it to stay enjoyable" Glances at the Ruins records on my shelf.
Honestly? As a big hater of top 40 pop, 2024 is the first year I can say I genuinely enjoyed pop releases. Chapel Roan and Sabrina Carpenter had some bubblegum feelgood hits, Brat summer was an entire thing of its own. I like when pop embraces its own campy stupidity, it makes it fun. The entire trend of overly serious "dark" pop stars was incredibly bland and dishonest.
it's not just about melody though. there's some sort of richness & character that's missing in some new pop music in general. I'm not saying all, but a still higher ratio than the past.
You handled this topic so well! So many people are ready to let their confirmation bias win the day but this was a really well-balanced and well-considered discussion. 😊 great job
A song can be different types of useful to different people. If there is a simple song that any amount of people enjoy, I don’t really see the point in trying to quantify it and compare it to what you prefer. There’s limited time we get here. I’d rather listen to what I love and look for more because there’s frankly too much good music to listen to it all.
"there is frankly too much good music" i feel this, sometimes i get overwhelmed and not listen to great albums because there is too many stuff and i cant focus on it
@@itamarlibman so many decades of music. I try to keep a few albums saved at a time that I can come back to, but I’m always stumbling upon something amazing everyone else knew about for years.
Broooo literally just this morning I was contemplating what a game changer being able to synthesize basically any sound was!! Your run away with me analysis permanently rewired my brain to pay attention to tamber especially and it's wild obvious now how much bigger of an audio effect palatte modern music has vs even the 70's, 80's.
i believe the Heidecker-Wareheim Pretense has already proven all songs really just branch out from Farmer in the Dell but it's good to get some quantitative studies done
I mean, some subgenres of jazz have a whole lot of both rhythmic and melodic complexity. And sure it can be kinda intense for casual listening, but it's not impossible to enjoy.
"Pop music won't be simple when I come along". I think some of the future artists who are gonna say this, might have fun and so may I. I hope spite and creative drive come back to be friends again.
This Is How We Do by Katy Perry was already that monotone except for when she says “It’s no big deal” and is dedicating stuff to other people doing slightly awkward stuff that can, in a regimented world, be looked down upon.
i feel like the fact that trap beats have gotten so universally popular within the past decade or so is clear evidence of rhythmic complexity increasing in pop music, especially drill-type beats, they often have so many rapid layered sounds involved
Great point about Rock music. Simple drums to make room for more complex guitar solos. Similarly music with vocals only has room for a lot of musical complexity during vocal breaks. Instrumental music has way more room for solos and stuff because of the voice.
I think a more important shift is the song structure, pop music is getting shorter and shorter but the bpm isn’t changing overall, so to make a track less than 3 minutes you have to get rid of either a full on verse or a bridge, which can make a track underbaked
I don't think a melody is simple just because it has a low ambitus and small steps. Some of the most beutiful melodies in history are like that. Look at Beethovens Allegretto from the 7th Symphonie, look at Händel's Sarabande. By this metric the melodies would be called simple, but they are meticulously constructed. I think "clearness" is a better word in those cases
Reading the title, I was really worried this video was gonna be like that absolute pile of dogturd Inside The Score released a few years ago but thankfully there's actual research and nuance in this one so nice job Michael Snare.
Honestly, considering we spent years with pop being flavoured by RnB and then EDM, it shouldn't be a surprise that it has a stronger focus on rhythm and tone.
This is why I like a lot of Vocaloid songs. The vocal/main melodies are more complex but usually centered around combining a bunch of micro melodies. It almost comes across as rap/singing a lot. I'd say because of the more rhythmic/in depth structure of Japanese as a language, and the limitations of the Vocaloid software were pitch is locked in key. The song "Just Be Friends" by Dixie Flatline is a perfect example. The main hook is a classic 2010 Pop Hook, but the rest is a series of very rhythmic micro melodies creating larger melodies.
Today‘s pop music is also more lyrically complex than it was 20 years ago. Taylor, Olivia, Sabrina, Chappell and others tell stories through their lyrics to great success. On the flip side, artists who don’t do that are having a hard time in the current pop landscape (hello Katy Perry)
It isn't just a pop music thing. As evident as I have always felt this phenomenon was, rock and metal have also seen their focus shift from melody to rhythm in the last two decades (the rise of djent, etc). I can't explain why the current generations have tilted in that direction, but it's happening in more than just pop music. As always, pop is a reflection of the rest of culture, not usually a driving force unto itself.
Yeah Mic, analyzing music theory and looking at graphs *insert Nickelback joke here* is cool and all but let's get down to business. (Amogus) You're a video game nerd so when are we getting the Sonic content? I know you can't resist it.
The rise of EDM definitely had an influence in the complexity of tracks. Skrillex said in an interview that there were hundreds of sounds that go into a single song. Now a days singers will hire Marshmello to make them a track that they can sing over.
Only doing the Top-5 is an understandable starting point if they're building up datasets from little or nothing, but expanding out to the Top-10 would potentially make quite a big difference - albeit whilst doubling their workload...
The problem with attaching harmony or melody to 'musical complexity' is that a lot of other and more interesting metrics of musical complexity is lost. Beethoven is notorious for very simple melodies and harmonies (so a simpleton by the researchers), but what makes him the arguably greatest composer of all time is that he transforms that melody, introducing rich structure to a piece. Dante Sonata by Liszt is perhaps the greatest example of this, where the main motif is just a chromatic scale, but the melody transforms to an almost 20-minute titan. What CAN be said, I'd argue, is that music lacks structural variation, since every song needs a hook rather than a developing theme.
how can I imlore fo a study like this to be done on latin music. I believe it breaks your last conclussions, as for the last 20 years a single genre with significant rythm simlicity has overshadowed, more rythmically comlex genres
By 2024, singers will just sing whole notes on the root, on beat 1. In all seriousness though, I think Jacob Collier represents a clear turn away from the melodic simplicity trend. He may not be a top 5 artist but he's won a BUNCH of grammys, and has a huge fan base, a ton of them being musicians, myself included.
I haven't read the study yet. Here are my concerns, based on your video. Biased variable 1: the data is based on a single researcher's subjective perception. There is a big variation in what different people will "hear". Biased variable 2: the top songs by year. This doesn't take into account how the songs got to the top 5. This has had multiple shifts over time (technology, industry, etc).
All these comments saying (probably ironically) that they hope Beato won't find this video... I hope he'll find it! Maybe his opinions can be challenged this way. And Mic could be a great guest!
I gotta bring up the western-bias of this study (and that's alright, because academic research is something expensive, hard and time-consuming to do), because right now some of the most interesting explorations within pop realms about how far can you go between complexity, catchiness, melody & rhythm is in Kpop, where you cannot be holding on just a catchy tune, but in a lot of elements, like timbre, rhythm, text painting, and a lot of details more. There's a channel called ReacttotheK and their reactions (as classical and/or jazz musicians) always finds the intricacies in Kpop, and how pop could be beyond the (still) blandly produced -but at least more inventive nowadays- western-pop that we're having atm. I read the study and the possibilities in this debate are amazing, because producers have been picking how to bet for success and the study shows how that dynamic evolved, keeping things balanced. So this video feels like an invitation to embrace all the elements that goes onto music, and not just the ones that we can understand more easily, to avoid being that guy that hates everything in the Top 40 (I mean, even Todd in the Shadows makes a best list each year).
Music peaked at Crazy Frog, of course it'll get simpler. There's nowhere to go after Crazy Frog.
if crazy frog has 1 million fans I'm one of them
if crazy frog has 5 fans then I'm one of them too
if crazy frog has 1 fan then that's fan is me
if crazy frog has 0 fans I'm dead
I will always be a crazy frog fan
Rick beato better not find this
He will roast everyone
Never forget that Rick Beato is homophobic, causing Adam Neely to stop associating with him. He replied to a comment criticizing him saying to “say hi to your boyfriend for me”. The guy commenting wasn’t being rude nor was he queer
@@kev1257ful what....? Happen to remember what video this was on?
@@CosmicPotato it was around 2018/2019. i commented this before but rick has way more fanboys that i thought, so i got called a hater or a softie. at least now people are rightfully calling him out for his faults. i’ll try to find the original comment or video though anyway
🤣😭@@kev1257ful
dont show this to rick beato. please.
Music used to have guitars man! What is even the point of music if no guitar?
rick beato doesn’t need facts, he’ll keep rambling about the “good ol days” regardless
it's crazy how good rick beato could be if he just did his music theory/production song breakdowns and interviews and stopped the boomer nostalgia bait
god i wish rick beato would shut up sometimes
I assume those are the videos that get the most engagement so they’re probably here to stay
By the simple = bad metric, Rush E must be the best pop song ever written.
I did not expect to see silv here lmao
I need the retween button so bad right now.
And Anton Webern is my favourite pop songwriter!
Ironically the signature element of Rush E is probably its note density
It's not a pop song
Only thing that confuses me here is the question of sample size of 5 songs per year. Sure, it might not change decades long trends, but on a decade short parts it might differ wildly if we add top-10 or top-20 songs. I get that even top-5 is a lot of work, but still.
yeah it's definitely an incredibly limited sample.
I agree that it's a relatively small sample size, but given that a top-10 sample size would have them listen to 730 songs in total (or 1460 songs in total if they used top-20), if they did want to replicate the study with a bigger sample size, they're gonna need WAY more help to analyze the songs than if just the two listed authors did the work alone.
@@ramenai Yep, hopefully the attention from this paper gets the research group a grant that lets another 2 PhD students listen to 10 songs each and look at 5 more metrics
Rick Beato is fuming right now
Legit was thinking "is that the Billie Jean beat?" at 3:50 and felt absolutely vindicated when you started singing
Same here, it says something about how iconic the Billie Jean drums are that there wasn't even a second option for what that could have been. Quincy Jones worked some magic in the studio that day
The equilibrium idea is really fascinating. You can apply it to pretty much every genre and see what they emphasize and where they cut back, which is really neat to think about.
As a statistician (by trade at least anyway) this is an incredibly interesting way to turn music into data and actually perform an analysis on it. Great job to Madeline and whoever else aided her in this research
Also the “this study doesn’t mean you should assume that music is bad now” is so important, there are too many people who take data as absolute truth and have no idea how to actually interpret data and read between the lines of what it’s actually saying
I think its because a lot of modern pop music is more production based compared to the old days.
Nice observation
I was a “pop doomer” until until a couple years ago. I absolutely hated most pop music of the 2010’s, it was overly repetitive and I just didn’t like it. But starting a couple years ago it feels better, there’s more instruments and more interesting lyrics. For the first time in a decade I’m actually listening to and enjoying pop music which is really surprising to me because I had pretty much written it off
The progression from me being 14 like "ewww Soulja boy this shit sucks I listen to rock and good hip hop like the roots" to now understanding how beautiful the simplicity of crank dat is
Same here but for me, it was more pop in the late 2010s
It just felt like 2017-2019 was operating on 3 hours of sleep & ambien. Just nothing but moody singing over tepid trap beats, Imaginedragons overproduced yet underwritten indie rock songs you’d hear in Laptops commercials, or bland EDM songs with nameless singers. Most of pop musics titans were asleep during this era or doing other things or failing.
But starting 2020, it feels like Pop Music has started to have life again and to feel like Pop music again. It genuinely feels like Pop Music is being Pop Music again and having life in it and I’m glad for that. It’s made listening to local radio in the car much better & conversations around Pop singers much more fun and interesting, both due to the newer Pop artists & so many pop titans returning(Beyonce, Gaga, Rihanna sort of, etc) to the spotlight again for their music
I'm hyped for this. Pop music has ALWAYS been complicated to make but simple enough to be catchy.
Next video: what exactly is Pop music?
*Vsauce music plays*
@@thegeecyproject”Hey, The Snare, Michael here. Pop music is such a recognisable and easy to define genre…. Or is it?”
*shrug.*
Lame dad music?
Mic the Snare SLAMS Rick Beato in latest video!!!?!???!!!??!?!!!!
Rick was a jazz professor and a big theory guy, so its not surprising he finds a lot of the composition bad. He does hone in on the production and often compliments it.
@@SoundsOfTheWild3 he's very complimentary of Max Martin. The boomers who watch his channel are too ignorant to remember that.
@SoundsOfTheWild3 and then he'll make the thumbnail for the video him grimacing with the words "IS THIS EVEN MUSIC ANYMORE - WTF HAPPENED??"
@@caleb281 I know its funny, and then he doesn't say anything like the thumbnail. That's more TH-cam algorithm click baiting.
@@SoundsOfTheWild3 I call it Clickbeato.
That metaphor about food is so apt. I can't get into modern prog rock because it's all seasoning and there's no room for the actual music to breathe.
I don’t think that music has gotten worse but I do think that the TikTok trends of shorter songs as songs are forgoing bridges and tension as well as key changes makes pop music less interesting to me. I’m a big K-pop fan and have observed this a lot. But every decade has its fair share of bad pop songs that we forget about. The best songs are the ones that always will be remembered. So I don’t think music is getting worse I think everything has peaks and valleys. But I don’t like a lot of current trends right now. Also as Justin Timberlake once said “what goes around goes around goes around goes around comes back around” so older trends always come back!
We need a full cover of Tomorrow Never Knows ASAP
one of the best beatles songs tbh
In all seriousness, pop music has never been the place to go for musical complexity anyway.
Bruh
"There's sort of a maximum amount of complexity that we can handle in music in order for it to stay enjoyable"
Glances at the Ruins records on my shelf.
Yeah I feel like this statement is contingent on the sorry state of music education in the general public.
Ruins are a crazy band!
Melodies are getting simpler, but frequency is far more complex
Honestly? As a big hater of top 40 pop, 2024 is the first year I can say I genuinely enjoyed pop releases. Chapel Roan and Sabrina Carpenter had some bubblegum feelgood hits, Brat summer was an entire thing of its own.
I like when pop embraces its own campy stupidity, it makes it fun. The entire trend of overly serious "dark" pop stars was incredibly bland and dishonest.
They went dark because they were chasing that Weeknd grindset
@@oo4758Lana Del Rey & Lorde is the reason as well
it's not just about melody though. there's some sort of richness & character that's missing in some new pop music in general. I'm not saying all, but a still higher ratio than the past.
You handled this topic so well! So many people are ready to let their confirmation bias win the day but this was a really well-balanced and well-considered discussion. 😊 great job
Right before you said it my thought was that there’s so much production complexity that pop music nowadays can be very interesting on that level.
A song can be different types of useful to different people. If there is a simple song that any amount of people enjoy, I don’t really see the point in trying to quantify it and compare it to what you prefer. There’s limited time we get here. I’d rather listen to what I love and look for more because there’s frankly too much good music to listen to it all.
"there is frankly too much good music" i feel this, sometimes i get overwhelmed and not listen to great albums because there is too many stuff and i cant focus on it
@@itamarlibman so many decades of music. I try to keep a few albums saved at a time that I can come back to, but I’m always stumbling upon something amazing everyone else knew about for years.
Another factor: if your melody is at all similar to a melody by someone who has the money to sue you, you are kinda fucked
She did what I tried to do in University, but I got bored and opened a Magic the Gathering store instead.
Man I just got destroyed at the duskmourn prerelease today
@@mrsic2012Sorry dude, you'll have better luck in the draft next time.
So glad for the revival of pop this year
MIC THE SNARE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Broooo literally just this morning I was contemplating what a game changer being able to synthesize basically any sound was!! Your run away with me analysis permanently rewired my brain to pay attention to tamber especially and it's wild obvious now how much bigger of an audio effect palatte modern music has vs even the 70's, 80's.
i believe the Heidecker-Wareheim Pretense has already proven all songs really just branch out from Farmer in the Dell but it's good to get some quantitative studies done
I mean, some subgenres of jazz have a whole lot of both rhythmic and melodic complexity. And sure it can be kinda intense for casual listening, but it's not impossible to enjoy.
I want to go back in time and play Imaginal Disk for a medieval peasant
this is the exact kind of nerdy music stuff i love. delicious
to answer your question, is there a whiter song than Breathe by Faith Hill? yes, Dancing Queen by Abba
Maybe Don't Stop Believing by Journey. That's pretty white ngl.
3:18 why does Mic sound like Kermit the Frog
"Pop music won't be simple when I come along". I think some of the future artists who are gonna say this, might have fun and so may I. I hope spite and creative drive come back to be friends again.
Phew. Thanks for the answer Mic! I was worried.
Will you be doing "The Music That Defined The 1980s"?
There's lots of songs that are simple but they're still good
Pop is too simple and monotonous for me guys
(proceeds to listen to Paysage D'Hiver)
“Pop is too simple and monotonous for me guys.” *Says the guy who has a Henry Cow profile picture*
@@funguy183It's a joke😀 Paysage D'Hiver makes ridiculously monotonous music.
Pop music is good imo
insanely well written and well paced video, this was a really unique watch compared to other music content on youtube
By the end of the century, pop music will have devolved into first-verse-of-Mr-Brightside levels of monotone melodies
This Is How We Do by Katy Perry was already that monotone except for when she says “It’s no big deal” and is dedicating stuff to other people doing slightly awkward stuff that can, in a regimented world, be looked down upon.
super interesting to think about how music changes so much with how technology is evolving! great vid!
I knew this happened when "Laffy Taffy" became a hit
i feel like the fact that trap beats have gotten so universally popular within the past decade or so is clear evidence of rhythmic complexity increasing in pop music, especially drill-type beats, they often have so many rapid layered sounds involved
Great point about Rock music. Simple drums to make room for more complex guitar solos.
Similarly music with vocals only has room for a lot of musical complexity during vocal breaks.
Instrumental music has way more room for solos and stuff because of the voice.
What are we down to the 3 cords of pop now?
I'm down if everything will start sounding like Chappell Roan.
I think a more important shift is the song structure, pop music is getting shorter and shorter but the bpm isn’t changing overall, so to make a track less than 3 minutes you have to get rid of either a full on verse or a bridge, which can make a track underbaked
I don't think a melody is simple just because it has a low ambitus and small steps. Some of the most beutiful melodies in history are like that. Look at Beethovens Allegretto from the 7th Symphonie, look at Händel's Sarabande. By this metric the melodies would be called simple, but they are meticulously constructed. I think "clearness" is a better word in those cases
Reading the title, I was really worried this video was gonna be like that absolute pile of dogturd Inside The Score released a few years ago but thankfully there's actual research and nuance in this one so nice job Michael Snare.
I love Mr. Snare! He make videos. Videos good. We dance. ✨
Also the videos are very informative to me!
Honestly, considering we spent years with pop being flavoured by RnB and then EDM, it shouldn't be a surprise that it has a stronger focus on rhythm and tone.
it seems like with the current crop of popstars there is a HUUUUGE focus on melody
I don't know about that balance thing, some genres of music are all around very simple, while other genres are all around very complicated.
This is why I like a lot of Vocaloid songs. The vocal/main melodies are more complex but usually centered around combining a bunch of micro melodies. It almost comes across as rap/singing a lot. I'd say because of the more rhythmic/in depth structure of Japanese as a language, and the limitations of the Vocaloid software were pitch is locked in key. The song "Just Be Friends" by Dixie Flatline is a perfect example. The main hook is a classic 2010 Pop Hook, but the rest is a series of very rhythmic micro melodies creating larger melodies.
mr mic you CAN'T just blast me with superman by goldfinger and NOT follow it up with a ska video
Hey Mic!
Hey David!
I can't wait for Rick Beato to rant about how Terry Riley ruined music
Only top 5 songs of USA charts that are HEAVILY corrupt and influenced by radio payola. Great methodology, zero biases 😂
We age and don't like what the younger generations like. This is something that has happened literally all through all history.
Bad example with the beatbox, I immediately started humming the bassline 😂
love you both for this
"There's sort of a maximum level of complexity for music to still stay enjoyable" something something jazz music.
1:18 MUSESCORE MENTIONED ‼️‼️
Today‘s pop music is also more lyrically complex than it was 20 years ago. Taylor, Olivia, Sabrina, Chappell and others tell stories through their lyrics to great success. On the flip side, artists who don’t do that are having a hard time in the current pop landscape (hello Katy Perry)
It isn't just a pop music thing. As evident as I have always felt this phenomenon was, rock and metal have also seen their focus shift from melody to rhythm in the last two decades (the rise of djent, etc). I can't explain why the current generations have tilted in that direction, but it's happening in more than just pop music. As always, pop is a reflection of the rest of culture, not usually a driving force unto itself.
Yeah Mic, analyzing music theory and looking at graphs *insert Nickelback joke here* is cool and all but let's get down to business. (Amogus)
You're a video game nerd so when are we getting the Sonic content? I know you can't resist it.
The rise of EDM definitely had an influence in the complexity of tracks. Skrillex said in an interview that there were hundreds of sounds that go into a single song. Now a days singers will hire Marshmello to make them a track that they can sing over.
For those who try to demonize Rick, he basically said the same thing. What he is more concerned about is how people value music nowadays.
Was this in the video titled "WTF IS THE SPOTIFY TOP 10 EVEN MUSIC?" or "WHY DOES ALL MUSIC SOUND THE SAME??"
@@Billiamwoods The latter, alongside his video after that.
another banger by michael snare
UNBELIEVABLE video as always Mic💪
Only doing the Top-5 is an understandable starting point if they're building up datasets from little or nothing, but expanding out to the Top-10 would potentially make quite a big difference - albeit whilst doubling their workload...
The problem with attaching harmony or melody to 'musical complexity' is that a lot of other and more interesting metrics of musical complexity is lost. Beethoven is notorious for very simple melodies and harmonies (so a simpleton by the researchers), but what makes him the arguably greatest composer of all time is that he transforms that melody, introducing rich structure to a piece. Dante Sonata by Liszt is perhaps the greatest example of this, where the main motif is just a chromatic scale, but the melody transforms to an almost 20-minute titan.
What CAN be said, I'd argue, is that music lacks structural variation, since every song needs a hook rather than a developing theme.
Ever since the new weeknd song dropped I've been feeling this way
Yo this video was really interesting I’d love to see you cover more studies like this
Dear Mic the Snare, please throw up a pro tools trigger warning. Whenever i see PT UI, I have a heart attack
how can I imlore fo a study like this to be done on latin music. I believe it breaks your last conclussions, as for the last 20 years a single genre with significant rythm simlicity has overshadowed, more rythmically comlex genres
Omg mom- MOM! wake up mic the snare dropped
Or or or, we need to keep harmonies and melodies simple to easily remix
By 2024, singers will just sing whole notes on the root, on beat 1. In all seriousness though, I think Jacob Collier represents a clear turn away from the melodic simplicity trend. He may not be a top 5 artist but he's won a BUNCH of grammys, and has a huge fan base, a ton of them being musicians, myself included.
glad im not crazy
i love the font.
Ok but it IS getting worse. Just so we're clear about this, right? Like simplicity isn't bad but it IS getting worse for potentially similar reasons.
Whusup Mr mic the snare
I haven't read the study yet. Here are my concerns, based on your video. Biased variable 1: the data is based on a single researcher's subjective perception. There is a big variation in what different people will "hear".
Biased variable 2: the top songs by year. This doesn't take into account how the songs got to the top 5. This has had multiple shifts over time (technology, industry, etc).
I wish it was reggae and ska.
Hoping Rick Beato doesn't find that article.
Sample size seems too small for the population it's supposed to represent.
I’m very much enjoying the Mic The Interviewer saga so far
Only the top 5 seems like a tiny sample set. But I understand how much work even that was.
Mic needs to sing in every video now.
A nuanced take???? On pop music?????
*Inconceivable!*
MUSIC POLICE!!!! ARREST THIS MAN!!!!!!
great video mike!
Pop music is getting simpler and worse, music might as well be a dead art form
All these comments saying (probably ironically) that they hope Beato won't find this video... I hope he'll find it! Maybe his opinions can be challenged this way. And Mic could be a great guest!
I gotta bring up the western-bias of this study (and that's alright, because academic research is something expensive, hard and time-consuming to do), because right now some of the most interesting explorations within pop realms about how far can you go between complexity, catchiness, melody & rhythm is in Kpop, where you cannot be holding on just a catchy tune, but in a lot of elements, like timbre, rhythm, text painting, and a lot of details more. There's a channel called ReacttotheK and their reactions (as classical and/or jazz musicians) always finds the intricacies in Kpop, and how pop could be beyond the (still) blandly produced -but at least more inventive nowadays- western-pop that we're having atm. I read the study and the possibilities in this debate are amazing, because producers have been picking how to bet for success and the study shows how that dynamic evolved, keeping things balanced. So this video feels like an invitation to embrace all the elements that goes onto music, and not just the ones that we can understand more easily, to avoid being that guy that hates everything in the Top 40 (I mean, even Todd in the Shadows makes a best list each year).
Lol most kpop is just ejects of western pop music and are copying each other. Only BTS are making real original music with organic success
Great content as always.
came for the video's premise, stayed for Mic's excellent rendition of Billie Jean