The Father of modern Singapore is LKY, but Dr Liu Thai Ker is the architect of modern Singapore, he was the chief planner of our public and urban landscapes, without his guiding principles, our public housing would not be what it is today. There are many brilliant men and women who had contributed to this tiny island nation. Many more still are continuing the work today. Singapore is blessed and I always tell my children to be grateful for the freedom of safety, food etcw
I would give credit to the lesser known Lim Kim San instead. He was the one who build the initial batch in record time, achieving 10 year plan in one year. Without him, HDB would not have made it's initial impact and then grow from there. And he did this while refusing any pay with the rational that without pay, no one can boss him around. So, he can focus on doing what he wanted to do, help the poor to have proper housing.
Another controversial feature that Westerners have a hard time grasping is the racial quotas in public housing, because LKY realised that left to people they will only prefer to live among their own people rather than mingle with people from other races. this prevented segments of housing in Singapore to be dominated and/or segregated by race, and is an essential fabric of fostering racial harmony in Singapore. Children go to neighbourhood schools with kids from all races, skin colors, languages and cultures. Thus, the hope is they are less discriminatory against their fellow citizens as they grow older.
We also celebrate a day called Racial Harmony Day, to remind ourselves that all citizens are equal regardless our race and religion. (That's in our pledge too.) One of the things we're proud of.
@@dunah9128 He means force-feeding racial integration. Can you as a European accept national policies which dictate that you must have X% of neighbours who as Chinese, Y% who are Muslims, Z% who are Indians etc? I don't think you understood OP's context at all. In Western countries (including USA, UK and other European countries), such racial quota regulations would have been seen as a violation of freedom. That is why you get "Chinatowns" in all these countries. Even in Singapore, we have a Chinatown legacy left behind from British colonial times. So before you blindly jump in to defend your European reputation as a cosmopolitan region, spend a bit of time for research and thinking first. But as a Singaporean, I am glad to be force-fed racial integration. It makes it easy when I have to live and work abroad. And for all your claim that Europeans don't see race, I've had my fair share of racism when working and traveling there. So meh.
@@alexsolosm Can you as a European accept national policies which dictate that you must have X% of neighbours who as Chinese, Y% who are Muslims, Z% who are Indians etc? Depends on how much the races will be "diluted". I think the "ghettos" or too high concentration of certain race/ ethnic is not attractive to residents in their country. We have examples in my country with gypsies. They can build their illegal housing, sometimes whole village near your house, and you are basically powerless, because noone wants to deal with it. That´s why I think above mentioned quota, that would actually dilute families into society they chose to live in, is good thing. They can pick up on the culture better that way since they are not separated by their own bubble.
What’s not to like, honestly? Sometimes a flawed democracy is what’s needed to put a check to society and the political class altogether. There’s a reason why late MM Lee worked to ensure the country has ministers that know the consequences of pay to play politics that the neighbours are rampant with, that it has the cleanest streets and safest ones in the region.
@@kennethdaniels3000 So true. What’s the point of options in an elections if the representatives are not put in check whereby they resort to corruption. Long live PAP
I am not a Singaporean but I have lived in Singapore (approaching a decade next year). I love Singapore and used to work in New York before and I hated it and chose to relocate here and have never regretted my decision. Safety, security, peace and communal harmony in this country is unrivalled. There is complete freedom to do what I want as long as I abide by the laws of the land and I have no issues with that. Some may argue that the laws are strict but if that’s what it takes to achieve peace of mind in this country, then that is acceptable. I can sleep at night without worrying that I might get pushed into the subway tracks (why? Because the MRT is accessible only via doors that open only when the train is stationary). I can sleep at night knowing my kid is safe in school and no nutcase will try to harm him (cos gun laws are tough). I can sleep at night knowing my wife can go to work without being catcalled or molested (cos there are cameras everywhere and every other person on the road is a militarily trained reservist). I love Singapore and I hope some day, My family will be allowed to become citizens of this great country
The law is a bit strict, but it's worth it due to the safety and low crime rate it brings. Also, I really love the NS Men system as well since it makes sure that whenever necessary, any man (or sometimes woman, since women can choose to join the program too) can rise to action and beat the living shit out of anyone who messes with our country.
I live in New York and wish to relocate to Singapore at some point. NYC could literally be like Singapore if it had the means, but the USA is too prideful and unwilling to admit it's fallen behind the rest of the world when it comes to modern living. We're quintessentially a "third world country with a gucci belt"
@@woofberry 1 future challenge I guess with our declining birth rate & continued population increase (@ least before the pandemic, due to immigration) is that each solider will have more people to defend e.g. in my CCA of 20+ people I think I was the only one to serve NS
The policy of 99 year lease for apartment/houses and the government 90% of the land is brilliant actually--- of course not applicable everywhere. Singapore is an island/city state and has very limited resources so they need to have a tight control or else big corporations will be running those housing complex and would spell disaster. Also, having the government control the housing and owning the land will prevent corporations running wild with real estate prices thus making it unaffordable for the citizens. Good example is Hong Kong, US and capitalistic countries.
@@wizardmongol4868 Why not? Problems regarding unaffordable housing happens in Both Capitalistic and Communist countries across the world. It's a lesson that. Only countries that actually have clean government like Singapore or Scandinavian countries provide working systems and benefits for its people.
Necessary maybe, "brilliant" is difficult. It didn't fix housing, it kicked the problem down the road. People essentially paid the price of full apartments for a rental, and the government convinced people both locally and internationally that government flats = home ownership. The full price gave the government capital to quickly finance large amounts of flats that led to a construction boom. What happens when the leases expire, as they are now? Either the government pays the exorbitant expense of buying them back or giving them new flats, or 70% of the population is slowly going homeless.
The prices of the HDB flats has actually been rising recently, more than a million dollars for some in more popular neighbourhoods just for a 4 bedroom apartment, but in general, yes, it is alot more reasonably priced than other nations.
I am born and raised in Hong Kong, and I can attest to the fact that Hong Kong city planning and urban policies are atrocious. Grid style streets and blocks that made for horrible natural ventilations (The global heatwave now sucks!), Lack of trees, lack of effort by the government to drastically improve housing policies in the midst of a housing crisis and only result in building more private houses, lack of “hang out” places for the community unless you travel to the commercial sector, further alienating people from one another. There are so much more.
I'm also from HK but I wouldn't say the grid style street are the issues with ventilation. Its the huge blocks of base structures that house shopping malls and car garages, that's a problem even in non-gridded neighborhoods. Chicago, for example, is a grid style city and it just so happens to be aligned with the usual wind direction, making it very windy. The early generations of public housing designed by proper architects were pretty good (aside from the unit sizes and a little too much concrete). Hallways has lots of airflow. Still these have lots of spaces for walking and gathering. If they used green parks rather than paved ball courts, they would be amazing. Shops that opens to the outdoors. Each very unique. But as cost cutting and standardization happens, the typical cross shape became the norm. Well shaded outdoor shopping arcade with airflow got replaced by the giant superblock mall, parking, bus terminal combo. While modern estates has hangout spots, it sucks that most are all technically shopping centers or concrete plaza with a few tiny trees sticking out.
@@felix4059 Fun fact: URA plans public housing, HDB builds them, but its town councils who maintain them. The last one uses a different zoning system from the 1st 2, & it actually changes with every legislative election (every 5 yrs). So in the 20-30 yr typical lifespan of a public housing lift, it could've changed hands between up to 6 different town councils
Aside from the beautiful stock images of Singapore, there's not a single footage of modern HDB housing. Good job talking about the history of public housing though.
90% of the population has a roof on top of their head to call 'home' in a small modern island state for only 60years of age is only possible when government owned the limited land. To achieve such a goal in a land owned by private sector is never possible when vast majority of the population is living under extreme poverty at the early part of Singapore nation building history. 👨🎓👩🎓
@@alexanderphilip1809 it does have welfare but only for those who can't help themselves. And those who are willing to work hard. It does not support lazy bums
Hi! Thanks for this informative video, i couldnt help but notice that most of the footage was of the central business district area. I think its rather hard to source for footage from the suburban areas. If you like help with getting footage of other areas, do let me know as i'm based locally. Keep up the great work :)
As a Malaysian, I look across the sea and realised how much we lack of competency and toxic we are when we could have been as successful as Singapore is
Do you seriously think that? Relax, and enjoy your life. Tall buildings and MRT do not guarantee happiness. We can buy cars for cheaper and make a nice road trip across country, we can grow food in our yard, we can go hiking to the mountains. Those are few things that a normal Singaporean can't easily do. Greetings from 🇮🇩
@@serang i mean, my family and i usually go overseas to malaysia or indonesia because everything there is cheaper for us, all that except for legoland 😔
HDB’s 99 years lease is more than adequate to last a person’s lifetime. Generally a couple buys a HDB brand new flat under the BTO scheme, they would be at least been working for a number of years & about at least 26 years old. The 99 yrs lease they can live there till 126 years old. But the average Singaporean lifespan is about 83. HDB policy is not only home ownership but also affordable good quality subsidized house where u can raise your family and focus on work / employment, it’s focus is on family unit and it’s unity. Even if you become a bankrupt nobody or bank can take away or re-possess your home. The HDB help built good family & social fabric which brings security, stability and progress for Sg.
however it still isn't an asset, it is just a long lease. I don't really mind it being a lease, but the government need to stop brainwashing people into thinking that they are asset, they are not. and where in the past HDB offer fix loan for housing, today you are required to borrow at market rate from private bank, it just isn't the same system it used to be. without a cap on interest rate, bank can keep increasing the rate they charge and it can exceed the value of the house, turning it from property into liability. it is crazy that housing loan are not given at a fix rate and the signing of the contract. this put all the risk on the homeowner.
Definitely agree with the sentiments. But I think in the end, LKY wanted to make sure his legacy isn't just about what he helped built, but also teach the future generations how to move forward. Just like now, the man himself has passed on, and its up to all of us living here to make sure everything is as stable as can be, be it political or racial.
Your video on public housing only had videos of commercial buildings in the CBD. There are lots of beautiful public housing stock videos that would have made this video more relevant :)
Singapore is now at an inflection point when it comes to the success of its HDB policies; Firstly, they are currently in short supply and young couples must wait up to 6 years before they can move into their homes, this will likely have severe impacts on birth rates in the short term. Secondly, the Ang Mo Kio SERS exercise has triggered panic in Singaporean HDB home 'owners', who now realise that their homes are not "appreciating assets" as promised by the first to third generation of politicians, but can instead be recalled by the state at any time. If the government does not clearly communicate commitment to mitigate these issues, the ruling party will suffer greatly over the next few general elections. Singaporeans' stakes in their country are high, but their stakes in their HDB flats are even higher.
hey Klinsen...no hate but..where I am (past MOP plus 2 years...thats 7) we still see A LOT OF units not occupied so sometimes....it is about actually "being in it" before you know... whatever is said on TV is not always real.
one more heartfelt response Hon...even at height the numbers reflected a 30-70 voting stance...despite large commitment on the ground (basically saying...alotta people) claiming their vote reflected how we want things to change. im not suggesting foul play but...two observations - 1) despite large numbers speaking up, why are results still that way...are we all certain voting is clean? 2) if it isnt, what can anyone do. again...not fanning just ..too long to reason but like your other commenter wrote "show me proof what 1st gen...3rd said" there is proof the steadily took in 100,000 or so, annually....over 2 decades - it's not surprising to now find we may actually be in the minority hence the 30-70 voting results.... all rigged man. personally I felt long ago it was too late. but I still hope.
6 years? It's much longer than that to get on the property ladder in many places around the world. So 6 years might be long for SG but for many others that is quite acceptable. How long is the wait for Hong Kongers? The SG gerrymanders and uses winner takes all block voting in some areas as well as holding opposition lawmakers without trial. It is hard for them to even field enough candidates to contest the multi-member districts. It would have to get really bad for the people to vote PAP out given the huge rigged advantage they have.
I agree, in regards to the contents of the video, but I would also like to point out that Singapore is a free-market economy with low taxes and little regulation which make it the prospering powerhouse that it is today.
@@buglepong Well it is not exactly planned economy. I mean of course in some parts government controls it, but mainly it is extremely friendly towards newer investments.
@@DvornyashkaDiaries singapore is very market friendly in certain niches... that it deems advantageous. anything related to land (including transportation) is tightly controlled
Great video, but I don’t think you explained much, you gave some history then hinted that it was government control that made the city nice. Would love more details about it!
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Hi, thanks for the informative video. Would like to point out that planning of HDB flats is under HDB, but the environment eg parks and land allocation is the responsibility of URA/MND and the other statutory boards under it.
if you somehow outlive your home, I'd assume the government would make an exception and allow you to keep living there until you die. After that, it would just go back to the government.
Thanks for the video. Just a note tho, barely any of your footage shows actual HDB flats btw. You’re mostly showing the commercial district or private estates in Singapore. Just thought it might misrepresent what public housing might look like in Singapore to non-locals
True, these don't look like the hdbs near my house or the one I live in. Though, hdbs are still as nice as the buildings shown, and there's still plenty of nature woven into the estates. Case in point, the giant fucking tree outside my window with a bunch of birds in it that scream at me in the mornings.
Your stock footage seems to not show the "typical" HDBs that aren't nearly as glamorous. With key characteristics like the void decks, surrounding coffee shops and such. Rather, a lot of those depicted are office buildings or hotels with lots of glass in the downtown area, or condominiums with their private amenities.
The fire. It's a curiously common catalytic event that kick-started many of the public housing initiatives in Hong Kong and Singapore. A fire that displaced thousands and then suddenly the public housing scheme became popular and accepted.
Well i live in Singapore, i just don't like that whenever they talk about the housing, they mainly show the central areas. and not the normal neighborhoods.
The architect of Singapore's economic strategy is the brilliant economist, Goh KS. Lee, the articulate one, sold the ideas politically, and successfully. The rest, the different ministers and CEOs, effectively implemented their strategies over the decades. The key idea was picked from Taiwan, land reform, which drives the Taiwan economy because it provided the badly needed social stability when things fell apart in many developing countries. Since S'pore has limited land, the pair reformed the air space, i.e. vertical public housing, to give every family a stake in the country and, in return, a vote for PAP. Where land is concerned, the market fails, and hence the need for the land acquisition act and public land banking. Where this good video did not address is the high cost of housing in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
While what is described its true, the motion pictures at the back may not be reflecting the HDB units or estates that are mentioned. Perhaps, to feature pinnacle @duxton or punggol waterway as the topic revolves around HDB units.
Wonder if u live in Singapore HDB flats. If not try n rent one n stay a year. N of course don't install air condition or any fans......helps climate.....save electricity....in the afternoon walk aroundvtge housing area for an hour or so to absorb the surroundings n take in the heat
KM...heat is one thing, sure. But if we are born and bred, we can handle. what about shouting....noise, bang door because the child is using the door to express anger/fight with parent. I agree with you "rent one year, try" but I tell u, no need - can give answer liao - there is zero regulation in the estate therefore the bullies will always get away with it. im a great/quite fit MMA fighter but can I "settle issue" cant right. So my point is - this isn't to stay. this place is just for endurance only.
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none of these aerial building shots actually showed modern HDB flats. it just went across office buildings, private condos and hotels in the central business district...
The main drawback of western ideology imo is the strict adherence to their ideology where self is often put before many. In SG, the gov takes a very practical approach. Most benefit to most ppl. Of course the latter also means some stands to lose, but at figures much less than what we see in the west. P.s For those Utopian believers, it only exist after you die.
I'm a simple man I saw my hometown *Hong Kong* in the video thumbnail, I came to watch the video immediately (I mean I already subscribed to the channel but anyways) Great video aside, I felt a little click baited when Hong Kong is only mentioned for 2 seconds in the whole video
@@singyiulim you would only see it as a failure if ur broke, and this is what happens when a place is highly capitalised. Our gov(despite my hatred for it) managed to fit 7.5 million people on a land of a size less than 1000km^2, and not to mention that we earned a massive fortune for selling lands to private companies to keep our tax rate as low as possible. There are down sides to the policies installed in place, but there are ups too.
Basically, with great power comes great responsibility. The SG government's unlimited control of the land was put into good use in homing its citizens. But also one must consider the costs that come with it. Which includes owning a home no more than 99 years and the tariffs on owning multiple properties.
The tariffs on owning multiple properties is to discourage the rich from buying up multiple flats and renting it off, causing a shortage of apartments and leaving Singaporeans unable to secure housing. I personally find the 99 year lease reasonable. Keep in mind that Singapore is a very tiny nation, land is extremely valuable and not having a time limit means the government won't have a mechanism to reclaim the land for other purposes. 99 years is such a long time it realistically won't matter but when the time comes, they'll just redevelop the land into other properties. I know as a Singaporean it's hard to accept these limitations but keep in mind were a small nation, we have to make a lot of concessions
Many wealthy Singaporeans who owns multiple private apartments still live in public housing because its where they got rich. They are sentimental and also believe their house gave them good luck.
"what it is today", Melvin...if you have a box with 1 million dollars, but tomorrow the "authorities" prints 1 million dollars more instantly your box's value differs, are you aware? point is - money is never the measure for success and while the Promisers keep dangling these, those who are unaware will go "yes yes yes yes...pls pls pls pls, yes I want" a deep life, proper growth, chances, air quality, no dispute with neighborhood....peace - these are the real prizes. also, one may point out "no war = peace" not true. do you live among a culture who believes shouting is what they must do? say..they have 4...5 occupants in that flat? times it by erm..3, 4 units. plus 7 years. I tell you - "no war" isnt the only consideration. sometimes the "War" walk in openly FROM CHANGI, come to heartlands, and they scream, shout all through, even 2am..3am. it's not about "moving" because how can anyone "gamble for sure" if they keep letting these antics in?
For a video about the HDB, there are very little images of HDB apartments in the entire video. All the images from 4min onwards are of the Central Business District, not the HDB apartments.
Sometimes you building country is like playing Sim city , you building what you want for now but you neglected the future after causing traffic jam and other inconvenience
I’m convinced the author/video creator has never been to Singapore; 80% of depictions of the public housing (HDB) are of the CBD or “downtown” area. Please choose your video clips more prudently.
The government should own the land. And rent it out in the form of Land Value Tax. The LVT profits should go directly to the citizens. Private citizens shouldn't have the right to buy up all of the land which is a limited resource, without compensating the rest of the people. This is especially important in a small state like Singapore.
@@RK-cj4oc if people who use the land are taxed high enough, the citizens who receive the tax, will have money for housing. Not only that, there will be so much housing to meet the demand because the people who build on the land will have incentive to make the most money on it. So instead of single family homes, everyone will have a place to live. If someone wants to live in a single family home and aren't rich, they can live in the middle of nowhere, where land is valued less. Regardless, the cost of renting will be so cheap, no one will care about owning a home like they do now. The incentive won't be there.
I thought in LVT, the government doesn't own the land. It is just taxed due to exclusive access/rights given. But the land is still owned by the common people. Government owning land implies that the government have the rights to what to do on that land. And can, for example, kick/remove people out even when they are perfectly paying the LVT. But I'm really not an expert in this. I just read it in a comment on r/georgism. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I do really love the idea of LVT. Just need to execute it well.
Would you rather a government own the land, who you can more easily hold them to their responsibilities, or have a private company own the land, who may have worser motives in mind? Because with how apartments are, no one person living there can own the land anyway, or they will essentially become that private company. Unless you're going to have all the residents of that building form a private company just to own that land.
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this video are showing private building and city park and not public housing and their estate park. feel like a bait and switch. Singapore public housing is no doubt one of the best, but this video does not address it honestly by showing how it actually work.
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The Father of modern Singapore is LKY, but Dr Liu Thai Ker is the architect of modern Singapore, he was the chief planner of our public and urban landscapes, without his guiding principles, our public housing would not be what it is today. There are many brilliant men and women who had contributed to this tiny island nation. Many more still are continuing the work today. Singapore is blessed and I always tell my children to be grateful for the freedom of safety, food etcw
LKY was the one who put it together, not just city planning but everything else including economy, education, defence… etc
I would give credit to the lesser known Lim Kim San instead. He was the one who build the initial batch in record time, achieving 10 year plan in one year. Without him, HDB would not have made it's initial impact and then grow from there. And he did this while refusing any pay with the rational that without pay, no one can boss him around. So, he can focus on doing what he wanted to do, help the poor to have proper housing.
Goh Keng Swee was also involved in terms of defence
@@Albert_Einstein_not LKY had a team of economists, a team of scholars working for him. So it's a team of good men and women who helped LKY
To me, Mr. Lee, Mr.Liu and Mr.Lim are all credited for Singapore’s housing success
Another controversial feature that Westerners have a hard time grasping is the racial quotas in public housing, because LKY realised that left to people they will only prefer to live among their own people rather than mingle with people from other races. this prevented segments of housing in Singapore to be dominated and/or segregated by race, and is an essential fabric of fostering racial harmony in Singapore. Children go to neighbourhood schools with kids from all races, skin colors, languages and cultures. Thus, the hope is they are less discriminatory against their fellow citizens as they grow older.
We also celebrate a day called Racial Harmony Day, to remind ourselves that all citizens are equal regardless our race and religion. (That's in our pledge too.) One of the things we're proud of.
@@dunah9128 He means force-feeding racial integration. Can you as a European accept national policies which dictate that you must have X% of neighbours who as Chinese, Y% who are Muslims, Z% who are Indians etc? I don't think you understood OP's context at all. In Western countries (including USA, UK and other European countries), such racial quota regulations would have been seen as a violation of freedom. That is why you get "Chinatowns" in all these countries. Even in Singapore, we have a Chinatown legacy left behind from British colonial times. So before you blindly jump in to defend your European reputation as a cosmopolitan region, spend a bit of time for research and thinking first.
But as a Singaporean, I am glad to be force-fed racial integration. It makes it easy when I have to live and work abroad. And for all your claim that Europeans don't see race, I've had my fair share of racism when working and traveling there. So meh.
@@alexsolosm Can you as a European accept national policies which dictate that you must have X% of neighbours who as Chinese, Y% who are Muslims, Z% who are Indians etc?
Depends on how much the races will be "diluted". I think the "ghettos" or too high concentration of certain race/ ethnic is not attractive to residents in their country. We have examples in my country with gypsies. They can build their illegal housing, sometimes whole village near your house, and you are basically powerless, because noone wants to deal with it. That´s why I think above mentioned quota, that would actually dilute families into society they chose to live in, is good thing. They can pick up on the culture better that way since they are not separated by their own bubble.
Wait don't you mean when landlords can still discriminate based on race?
@@alexsolosm man just said he was glad to be racially segregated lmao
You might not completely agree or like LKY's policies or what he has said or done, but I think everyone can recognize how much of a visionary he was.
He a pure example of a successful nondemocratic country. Imagine if he was not friended with the US.
What’s not to like, honestly? Sometimes a flawed democracy is what’s needed to put a check to society and the political class altogether. There’s a reason why late MM Lee worked to ensure the country has ministers that know the consequences of pay to play politics that the neighbours are rampant with, that it has the cleanest streets and safest ones in the region.
@@jimmyhaotran123 it's not a pure democracy, but the government usually listens to people.
@@kennethdaniels3000 So true. What’s the point of options in an elections if the representatives are not put in check whereby they resort to corruption. Long live PAP
@@jimmyhaotran123 What's democracy? More like democrazy, it's just a hardcore ideology used by the west to brain wash the rest of the world.
I'm Singaporean and yeah, some policies were questionable but hey, gotta admit LKY was one hell of a visionary.
slave drivers are very visionary too.
*ahem* stop at 2 *ahem*
@@henrietta9206 bruh...wherever slaves are there, therever it is developed
Ye, im talking bout dubai, singapore, china, america etc
@@dogchan8860 imagine defending slavery-like practices instead of saying "yeah that's bad we should change this"
@@henrietta9206 Imagine comparing the founding father of a very successful nation to slave drivers lmao
I am not a Singaporean but I have lived in Singapore (approaching a decade next year). I love Singapore and used to work in New York before and I hated it and chose to relocate here and have never regretted my decision. Safety, security, peace and communal harmony in this country is unrivalled. There is complete freedom to do what I want as long as I abide by the laws of the land and I have no issues with that. Some may argue that the laws are strict but if that’s what it takes to achieve peace of mind in this country, then that is acceptable. I can sleep at night without worrying that I might get pushed into the subway tracks (why? Because the MRT is accessible only via doors that open only when the train is stationary). I can sleep at night knowing my kid is safe in school and no nutcase will try to harm him (cos gun laws are tough). I can sleep at night knowing my wife can go to work without being catcalled or molested (cos there are cameras everywhere and every other person on the road is a militarily trained reservist). I love Singapore and I hope some day, My family will be allowed to become citizens of this great country
The law is a bit strict, but it's worth it due to the safety and low crime rate it brings. Also, I really love the NS Men system as well since it makes sure that whenever necessary, any man (or sometimes woman, since women can choose to join the program too) can rise to action and beat the living shit out of anyone who messes with our country.
I live in New York and wish to relocate to Singapore at some point. NYC could literally be like Singapore if it had the means, but the USA is too prideful and unwilling to admit it's fallen behind the rest of the world when it comes to modern living. We're quintessentially a "third world country with a gucci belt"
The UN should really move to Singapore 🇸🇬.
i hope that you and you family will be able to attain pr status soon!! i heard the process is very tough. thank you for loving our country :))))
@@woofberry 1 future challenge I guess with our declining birth rate & continued population increase (@ least before the pandemic, due to immigration) is that each solider will have more people to defend e.g. in my CCA of 20+ people I think I was the only one to serve NS
The policy of 99 year lease for apartment/houses and the government 90% of the land is brilliant actually--- of course not applicable everywhere. Singapore is an island/city state and has very limited resources so they need to have a tight control or else big corporations will be running those housing complex and would spell disaster. Also, having the government control the housing and owning the land will prevent corporations running wild with real estate prices thus making it unaffordable for the citizens. Good example is Hong Kong, US and capitalistic countries.
Just look at China's real estate bubble now.
@@Sku11Ski11 its always china that gets mentioned even when it has notthing to do with the topic
@@wizardmongol4868 Why not? Problems regarding unaffordable housing happens in Both Capitalistic and Communist countries across the world.
It's a lesson that. Only countries that actually have clean government like Singapore or Scandinavian countries provide working systems and benefits for its people.
Necessary maybe, "brilliant" is difficult. It didn't fix housing, it kicked the problem down the road. People essentially paid the price of full apartments for a rental, and the government convinced people both locally and internationally that government flats = home ownership. The full price gave the government capital to quickly finance large amounts of flats that led to a construction boom.
What happens when the leases expire, as they are now? Either the government pays the exorbitant expense of buying them back or giving them new flats, or 70% of the population is slowly going homeless.
The prices of the HDB flats has actually been rising recently, more than a million dollars for some in more popular neighbourhoods just for a 4 bedroom apartment, but in general, yes, it is alot more reasonably priced than other nations.
I am born and raised in Hong Kong, and I can attest to the fact that Hong Kong city planning and urban policies are atrocious. Grid style streets and blocks that made for horrible natural ventilations (The global heatwave now sucks!), Lack of trees, lack of effort by the government to drastically improve housing policies in the midst of a housing crisis and only result in building more private houses, lack of “hang out” places for the community unless you travel to the commercial sector, further alienating people from one another. There are so much more.
All thanks to the Brits
I'm also from HK but I wouldn't say the grid style street are the issues with ventilation. Its the huge blocks of base structures that house shopping malls and car garages, that's a problem even in non-gridded neighborhoods. Chicago, for example, is a grid style city and it just so happens to be aligned with the usual wind direction, making it very windy.
The early generations of public housing designed by proper architects were pretty good (aside from the unit sizes and a little too much concrete). Hallways has lots of airflow. Still these have lots of spaces for walking and gathering. If they used green parks rather than paved ball courts, they would be amazing. Shops that opens to the outdoors. Each very unique. But as cost cutting and standardization happens, the typical cross shape became the norm. Well shaded outdoor shopping arcade with airflow got replaced by the giant superblock mall, parking, bus terminal combo. While modern estates has hangout spots, it sucks that most are all technically shopping centers or concrete plaza with a few tiny trees sticking out.
@@burentori9620 China has been in charge for 20 years yet it’s the UKs fault? 🥴
@@burentori9620 Importance of national autonomy
@@burentori9620 brits really did well on developing boat quay plus my favourite pastime lol
as a singaporean i'm incredibly thankful for LKY's good planning, he really saw the potential in our country
The planning is done by URA, not LKY.
@@felix4059 Fun fact: URA plans public housing, HDB builds them, but its town councils who maintain them. The last one uses a different zoning system from the 1st 2, & it actually changes with every legislative election (every 5 yrs). So in the 20-30 yr typical lifespan of a public housing lift, it could've changed hands between up to 6 different town councils
Aside from the beautiful stock images of Singapore, there's not a single footage of modern HDB housing. Good job talking about the history of public housing though.
90% of the population has a roof on top of their head to call 'home' in a small modern island state for only 60years of age is only possible when government owned the limited land. To achieve such a goal in a land owned by private sector is never possible when vast majority of the population is living under extreme poverty at the early part of Singapore nation building history. 👨🎓👩🎓
And Singapore is the furthest thing from a socialist economy.
@@alexanderphilip1809 it does have welfare but only for those who can't help themselves.
And those who are willing to work hard. It does not support lazy bums
@@alexanderphilip1809 If the land is owned by private company, it would not be 90 % home ownership today, but 90% homelessness. 😂😁
@Ops Blac most people dont live past 99 years of age too.
@Ops Blac neither do most people who "own land", because you have to pay council rates or property tax. It's a rent with another name.
Hi! Thanks for this informative video, i couldnt help but notice that most of the footage was of the central business district area. I think its rather hard to source for footage from the suburban areas. If you like help with getting footage of other areas, do let me know as i'm based locally. Keep up the great work :)
Yeah...I had a hard time sourcing relevant footage & thanks for the offer, I will definitely get in touch with you for local footage.
Because the suburban footage are extremely boring and monotonous
@@teohyc Not really - the HDBs built across the different decades have very different features
Yah wanted to say that too. it's CBD and MBS area. =D There's more of expensive private apartments there.
A great example would be the residences by the Punggol Waterway, simply amazing..
As a Malaysian, I look across the sea and realised how much we lack of competency and toxic we are when we could have been as successful as Singapore is
Do you seriously think that? Relax, and enjoy your life. Tall buildings and MRT do not guarantee happiness.
We can buy cars for cheaper and make a nice road trip across country, we can grow food in our yard, we can go hiking to the mountains. Those are few things that a normal Singaporean can't easily do.
Greetings from 🇮🇩
can u speak english?
Totally agreed.
@@serang i mean, my family and i usually go overseas to malaysia or indonesia because everything there is cheaper for us, all that except for legoland 😔
But it's hella expensive to live in Singapore
Good job! Thanks for the taking the effort to explain our city and share it with the world!
Thank you for making such informative and straight to the point videos, I really enjoy them. Keep it up
Thank you!
Nothing can make me happier than having a small country getting recognized by TH-camrs,
Greetings from Singapore!
HDB’s 99 years lease is more than adequate to last a person’s lifetime. Generally a couple buys a HDB brand new flat under the BTO scheme, they would be at least been working for a number of years & about at least 26 years old. The 99 yrs lease they can live there till 126 years old. But the average Singaporean lifespan is about 83. HDB policy is not only home ownership but also affordable good quality subsidized house where u can raise your family and focus on work / employment, it’s focus is on family unit and it’s unity. Even if you become a bankrupt nobody or bank can take away or re-possess your home. The HDB help built good family & social fabric which brings security, stability and progress for Sg.
however it still isn't an asset, it is just a long lease. I don't really mind it being a lease, but the government need to stop brainwashing people into thinking that they are asset, they are not. and where in the past HDB offer fix loan for housing, today you are required to borrow at market rate from private bank, it just isn't the same system it used to be. without a cap on interest rate, bank can keep increasing the rate they charge and it can exceed the value of the house, turning it from property into liability. it is crazy that housing loan are not given at a fix rate and the signing of the contract. this put all the risk on the homeowner.
If someone passes away and there is still time on the lease can it be passed on and sold for the remaining duration?
We want to pass down to our children don't be selfish and think only for yourself
@@theuglykwan yes sir. Just at reduced rate. But with inflation, you pretty much will definitely fetch a higher price from a absolute standpoint.
You can still borrow from HDB at fixed 0.1% above CPF rate, but Singaporeans only (I.e., not for PR).
Definitely agree with the sentiments. But I think in the end, LKY wanted to make sure his legacy isn't just about what he helped built, but also teach the future generations how to move forward.
Just like now, the man himself has passed on, and its up to all of us living here to make sure everything is as stable as can be, be it political or racial.
Your video on public housing only had videos of commercial buildings in the CBD. There are lots of beautiful public housing stock videos that would have made this video more relevant :)
Thanks for the informative video about Singapore's housing! 💚
This video was super well done :D I hope you'll continue to make more in the future
I just got back from Singapore last week, it is an amazing city!
Singapore is now at an inflection point when it comes to the success of its HDB policies; Firstly, they are currently in short supply and young couples must wait up to 6 years before they can move into their homes, this will likely have severe impacts on birth rates in the short term. Secondly, the Ang Mo Kio SERS exercise has triggered panic in Singaporean HDB home 'owners', who now realise that their homes are not "appreciating assets" as promised by the first to third generation of politicians, but can instead be recalled by the state at any time. If the government does not clearly communicate commitment to mitigate these issues, the ruling party will suffer greatly over the next few general elections. Singaporeans' stakes in their country are high, but their stakes in their HDB flats are even higher.
Can point me to the article where 1st to 3rd generation leaders promise that our hdb are appreciating assets.
Still better than the housing situation in HK. Dont bitch.
hey Klinsen...no hate but..where I am (past MOP plus 2 years...thats 7) we still see A LOT OF units not occupied so sometimes....it is about actually "being in it" before you know...
whatever is said on TV is not always real.
one more heartfelt response Hon...even at height the numbers reflected a 30-70 voting stance...despite large commitment on the ground (basically saying...alotta people) claiming their vote reflected how we want things to change.
im not suggesting foul play but...two observations - 1) despite large numbers speaking up, why are results still that way...are we all certain voting is clean? 2) if it isnt, what can anyone do. again...not fanning just ..too long to reason but like your other commenter wrote "show me proof what 1st gen...3rd said" there is proof the steadily took in 100,000 or so, annually....over 2 decades - it's not surprising to now find we may actually be in the minority hence the 30-70 voting results....
all rigged man. personally I felt long ago it was too late. but I still hope.
6 years? It's much longer than that to get on the property ladder in many places around the world. So 6 years might be long for SG but for many others that is quite acceptable. How long is the wait for Hong Kongers?
The SG gerrymanders and uses winner takes all block voting in some areas as well as holding opposition lawmakers without trial. It is hard for them to even field enough candidates to contest the multi-member districts. It would have to get really bad for the people to vote PAP out given the huge rigged advantage they have.
singapore is proof that central planning actually does sometimes work
I agree, in regards to the contents of the video, but I would also like to point out that Singapore is a free-market economy with low taxes and little regulation which make it the prospering powerhouse that it is today.
@@lordDenis16 free market... hahahaha
@@buglepong Well it is not exactly planned economy. I mean of course in some parts government controls it, but mainly it is extremely friendly towards newer investments.
@@DvornyashkaDiaries singapore is very market friendly in certain niches... that it deems advantageous. anything related to land (including transportation) is tightly controlled
@@buglepongyes, because land is very scarce in Singapore. Hence central planning of land use is paramount and works to the country's advantage
Great video, but I don’t think you explained much, you gave some history then hinted that it was government control that made the city nice. Would love more details about it!
Thanks, I'll try to go deeper in future videos
@@KleosYT Thank you!
@@KleosYT Looking forward to it!
This was very fascinating 🤔 Thank you for sharing!
Great video!
Thanks mate!
My friend, I have to know your name! I need to know who is behind such high quality, well-researched yet bite-sized content. Bravo!
You remind me of Sam from Wendover Productions but I know you will find your own success on this platform. Because if this is how you’re starting, I can’t wait to see how you’ll grow in time to come. You’ve earned a loyal subscriber today!
Hi, thanks for the informative video. Would like to point out that planning of HDB flats is under HDB, but the environment eg parks and land allocation is the responsibility of URA/MND and the other statutory boards under it.
We kinda don’t own the home. It’s a 99year lease. While Singapore is a very young nation, nobody truly knows what happens to it after 99years.
Don't forget the freehold properties.
999 year lease for the landed properties😏😎
(but ofc i no money for that😥)
if you somehow outlive your home, I'd assume the government would make an exception and allow you to keep living there until you die. After that, it would just go back to the government.
@@GameFuMaster any HDBs closest to nearing their 99 year leases already?
@@groundedgaming i have no idea what you're trying to say. Do new home owners not get a renewed 99 lease if they buy from an existing owner?
as a Singaporean i thank you for doing this video!
Im miss singapore 🇲🇾🇸🇬:))
I hope singapore will Grow fast.
I’m singaporean and I’ve never noticed this, thank you so much for this well summary Ed and informative video! Giving Johnny Harris standards ❤️❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for the video. Just a note tho, barely any of your footage shows actual HDB flats btw. You’re mostly showing the commercial district or private estates in Singapore. Just thought it might misrepresent what public housing might look like in Singapore to non-locals
Thoroughly agree.
True, these don't look like the hdbs near my house or the one I live in. Though, hdbs are still as nice as the buildings shown, and there's still plenty of nature woven into the estates. Case in point, the giant fucking tree outside my window with a bunch of birds in it that scream at me in the mornings.
Your stock footage seems to not show the "typical" HDBs that aren't nearly as glamorous. With key characteristics like the void decks, surrounding coffee shops and such. Rather, a lot of those depicted are office buildings or hotels with lots of glass in the downtown area, or condominiums with their private amenities.
Analysis is on point
The fire. It's a curiously common catalytic event that kick-started many of the public housing initiatives in Hong Kong and Singapore. A fire that displaced thousands and then suddenly the public housing scheme became popular and accepted.
looking forward for more videos
More to come!
Damn nice graphics! Certainly a deep and interesting topic though
Thanks Man!
V good information in times of the difficulty for nation's to act .
This is a highly edited and thought out video. Earned a sub!!! And keep the good work
Thanks! I am glad you liked the video
Well i live in Singapore, i just don't like that whenever they talk about the housing, they mainly show the central areas. and not the normal neighborhoods.
Many of the normal ones are superb. Some are a bit run down but others are genuinely nice
Those normal neighbourhoods at heartlands are better than the central areas
@@ona2779 indeed Marine Parade and Punggol are exceptional!
I love going over to Punggol eventhough I live a little far away, the malls and the waterway park is amazing
Exactly.
Very informative and well made video.
Thank you!
The architect of Singapore's economic strategy is the brilliant economist, Goh KS. Lee, the articulate one, sold the ideas politically, and successfully. The rest, the different ministers and CEOs, effectively implemented their strategies over the decades. The key idea was picked from Taiwan, land reform, which drives the Taiwan economy because it provided the badly needed social stability when things fell apart in many developing countries. Since S'pore has limited land, the pair reformed the air space, i.e. vertical public housing, to give every family a stake in the country and, in return, a vote for PAP. Where land is concerned, the market fails, and hence the need for the land acquisition act and public land banking. Where this good video did not address is the high cost of housing in one of the most expensive cities in the world.
While what is described its true, the motion pictures at the back may not be reflecting the HDB units or estates that are mentioned. Perhaps, to feature pinnacle @duxton or punggol waterway as the topic revolves around HDB units.
Another great video! You have grown so much already.
Thanks so much!
Singapore plans well and Singapore executes those plans well.
It is in their culture.
Wonder if u live in Singapore HDB flats. If not try n rent one n stay a year. N of course don't install air condition or any fans......helps climate.....save electricity....in the afternoon walk aroundvtge housing area for an hour or so to absorb the surroundings n take in the heat
KM...heat is one thing, sure. But if we are born and bred, we can handle.
what about shouting....noise, bang door because the child is using the door to express anger/fight with parent. I agree with you "rent one year, try" but I tell u, no need - can give answer liao - there is zero regulation in the estate therefore the bullies will always get away with it.
im a great/quite fit MMA fighter but can I "settle issue" cant right. So my point is - this isn't to stay. this place is just for endurance only.
I wish the video was longer!
I'm in Singapore right now and the cabbie was talking about exact same thing. Now it's in my suggestions lol
Hey Kleos, Can you please tell me how does the 'Phone verified ' feature helps ?, And Who exactly should get their phone verified for youtube?
What's the process for it?
thanks
When you create a new channel TH-cam guides you on how to get phone verified & its needed if you want to upload videos longer than 15 minutes or add custom thumbnails
Wow, nice video, love the animation, def above people with 100k+ subs which you deserve
Thank you so much 😀
none of these aerial building shots actually showed modern HDB flats. it just went across office buildings, private condos and hotels in the central business district...
Great Video! Thanks for sharing! hope to see more!
More to come!
@@KleosYT THANK YOU
Ain't it awesome discovering hidden gems in TH-cam :).
So nice of you to say that!
The main drawback of western ideology imo is the strict adherence to their ideology where self is often put before many. In SG, the gov takes a very practical approach. Most benefit to most ppl. Of course the latter also means some stands to lose, but at figures much less than what we see in the west.
P.s For those Utopian believers, it only exist after you die.
Singapore is beautiful awesome and incredible and I would love to live there.
The Singapore President is residing in public housing . That’s how great the Singapore housing is.
Singapore is just the giga chads of most countries
I am interested in a video like this..
I remember the old SIT houses, I thought they were nicer than the first generation HDB flats.
Singapore Learn , adapted and modify from it old master, great British
Yes, thank god for Singlish. When they speak, it's a joy to listen to.
@@blobba5442 indeed singlish is delightful
Can you do something about Berlin?😍idc if the good side or the bad side hahaha
I will look into it
Singapore definitely has won Hong Kong in terms of housing.
Still suspicious large fire event in the area where redevelopment has been earmarked and planned for years… lol
I'm a simple man
I saw my hometown *Hong Kong* in the video thumbnail, I came to watch the video immediately (I mean I already subscribed to the channel but anyways)
Great video aside, I felt a little click baited when Hong Kong is only mentioned for 2 seconds in the whole video
Thanks man, I'll do better next time
welp at least you get to see how much of a failure our HK housing policies are
Hong Kong have lost its glory after China takeover. All investor foreigners and riches citizens began to run away
@@singyiulim you would only see it as a failure if ur broke, and this is what happens when a place is highly capitalised. Our gov(despite my hatred for it) managed to fit 7.5 million people on a land of a size less than 1000km^2, and not to mention that we earned a massive fortune for selling lands to private companies to keep our tax rate as low as possible. There are down sides to the policies installed in place, but there are ups too.
@@singyiulim me mum's side of the fam bare poor uno but luckily the gov provided public housing for them in Wong Tai sin. Not a complete failure
I'm a Singaporean but this guy knows more about it than me during my exam
This guy isn't singaporean but he'd probably score higher than me on my history essay.
Basically, with great power comes great responsibility. The SG government's unlimited control of the land was put into good use in homing its citizens. But also one must consider the costs that come with it. Which includes owning a home no more than 99 years and the tariffs on owning multiple properties.
The tariffs on owning multiple properties is to discourage the rich from buying up multiple flats and renting it off, causing a shortage of apartments and leaving Singaporeans unable to secure housing.
I personally find the 99 year lease reasonable. Keep in mind that Singapore is a very tiny nation, land is extremely valuable and not having a time limit means the government won't have a mechanism to reclaim the land for other purposes.
99 years is such a long time it realistically won't matter but when the time comes, they'll just redevelop the land into other properties.
I know as a Singaporean it's hard to accept these limitations but keep in mind were a small nation, we have to make a lot of concessions
Many wealthy Singaporeans who owns multiple private apartments still live in public housing because its where they got rich.
They are sentimental and also believe their house gave them good luck.
The last part is true...HDBs are essentially your home for 99 years which basically you could live there for just 2 generations of your family...
Im a proud singaporean
All of a sudden I want to live in Singapore
Cool, I live in Singapore
Both Singapore and HK are typically Chinese city states, exercised Confucianism, densely Chinese populated and former British colonies at that.
Not trying to carry balls but you got to give the old man and his cabinet colleagues the due credit for shaping Singapore into what it is today....
"what it is today", Melvin...if you have a box with 1 million dollars, but tomorrow the "authorities" prints 1 million dollars more instantly your box's value differs, are you aware?
point is - money is never the measure for success and while the Promisers keep dangling these, those who are unaware will go "yes yes yes yes...pls pls pls pls, yes I want"
a deep life, proper growth, chances, air quality, no dispute with neighborhood....peace - these are the real prizes. also, one may point out "no war = peace" not true. do you live among a culture who believes shouting is what they must do? say..they have 4...5 occupants in that flat?
times it by erm..3, 4 units. plus 7 years. I tell you - "no war" isnt the only consideration. sometimes the "War" walk in openly FROM CHANGI, come to heartlands, and they scream, shout all through, even 2am..3am. it's not about "moving" because how can anyone "gamble for sure" if they keep letting these antics in?
Agreed Melvin. Am appreciative of what we have today
Okay but can we talk about their food😍
For a video about the HDB, there are very little images of HDB apartments in the entire video. All the images from 4min onwards are of the Central Business District, not the HDB apartments.
Agree. Gave wrong perception on how Singapore HDB really look like.
ye whether LKY's policies were beneficial is debatable, but he was an extraordinary visionary
Singapore is like Pandora from Avatar.
Insane
Great video. But BTW, it should be "S.I.T." (with a dot at the end), since you're also abbreviating the word "Trust".
Singapore's HDB is brilliant.
💓🔥💓
Oh wow! This video editing pace is amazing! I didn’t expect you to only have 3k and just start, good luck, you have a bright future
Thanks man!
Btw, what software do u use to edit?
I use after effects for animations & premiere pro for editing
Did he just say "How Singapore avoid to become Hong Kong where majority of its residents live in nightmare" 😂😂😂
Sometimes you building country is like playing Sim city , you building what you want for now but you neglected the future after causing traffic jam and other inconvenience
I’m convinced the author/video creator has never been to Singapore; 80% of depictions of the public housing (HDB) are of the CBD or “downtown” area.
Please choose your video clips more prudently.
Lee Kuan Yew was a genius
Singapore isn't really a country, it looks more like a company where all citizens are shareholders.
True
SIngaporean here and proud to live in SIngapore. All thanks to our forefathers like LKY and so on!
The government should own the land. And rent it out in the form of Land Value Tax. The LVT profits should go directly to the citizens. Private citizens shouldn't have the right to buy up all of the land which is a limited resource, without compensating the rest of the people. This is especially important in a small state like Singapore.
Everyone should own their own home. Not the goverment. However private citizens should be limited to only owning 1 house.
@@RK-cj4oc if people who use the land are taxed high enough, the citizens who receive the tax, will have money for housing. Not only that, there will be so much housing to meet the demand because the people who build on the land will have incentive to make the most money on it. So instead of single family homes, everyone will have a place to live. If someone wants to live in a single family home and aren't rich, they can live in the middle of nowhere, where land is valued less. Regardless, the cost of renting will be so cheap, no one will care about owning a home like they do now. The incentive won't be there.
I thought in LVT, the government doesn't own the land. It is just taxed due to exclusive access/rights given. But the land is still owned by the common people. Government owning land implies that the government have the rights to what to do on that land. And can, for example, kick/remove people out even when they are perfectly paying the LVT.
But I'm really not an expert in this. I just read it in a comment on r/georgism. Please correct me if I'm wrong because I do really love the idea of LVT. Just need to execute it well.
Would you rather a government own the land, who you can more easily hold them to their responsibilities, or have a private company own the land, who may have worser motives in mind?
Because with how apartments are, no one person living there can own the land anyway, or they will essentially become that private company.
Unless you're going to have all the residents of that building form a private company just to own that land.
Singapore take the best of socialist housing, healthcare etc with market based business environment
Socialist housing and healthcare? What is that?
Singapore is the best example of practical governance utilising mixed economy
Congratulations!!! Very well produced. I wold like to talk about some business, did you have some email?
Half of the video is talking abt HDB but only shows marina and the cbd.
Definitely not the first video that talks abt Singapore... But... The editing is pretty amazing... (U are now on my potential subscribable channel... Gonna see the future video be4 I subscribe)
Edit: keep up Ur good work though
Awesome! Thank you!
What Singapore can do HK can too just need some time,keep it up HK👍
By critics he just means Slimy Capitalists.
It is a very nicely done video, but none of the images used is a HDB block.
this video are showing private building and city park and not public housing and their estate park. feel like a bait and switch. Singapore public housing is no doubt one of the best, but this video does not address it honestly by showing how it actually work.
0:00 the singaporian harbor is looking kinda sus ngl... 👀👀👀