Hear me out: Mass Specific Force. You can look into it and find a lot of details. But basically, in order to sprint* faster, one must be able to put enough force into the ground to offset gravity. How gravity affects each individual is relative to their own specific mass. This means sprinters should be as strong as possible, while also remaining as lean as possible (relative to their own unique build). This is done in the gym. Sprinters should strength train, as opposed to training like body builders: Use low reps. The sprinter should avoid eccentric movements in exercises like the deadlift, because lowering the weight causes fatigue and therefore hypertrophy, where the muscle grows. Focusing only on the concentric movement allows the athlete to gain strength and recruit more fast twitch fibers, and avoid muscle growth. A sprinter's ground contact time and stride length are the result of putting more force into the ground. The gym becomes useless for sprinters when the focus is on hypertrophy and growth as opposed to strength. BUT strength is crucial to running fast. If you can't put force into the ground, you can't offset gravity, you can’t* run fast
That is true but I will argue all day and night about eccentric movements..much more force is coming from eccentric, just doing concentric work won't make you faster for sure, you know that muscle works in isometric,concentric and eccentric,,so you need to train all of them..during sprinting hamstrings load are extremely higher in eccentric during lengthening and pre touch phase to the ground, most of the injuries in muscles during sprints, acceleration ina all sports are happening during eccentric(lengthening) work of muscles,,,one rule in season or near competition,game or whatever is that doing just concentric work is OK, doesn't make you tired,so recovery for next day is faster, not microtearing muscle with eccentric work that is fine.. but all the best sprinters or other athletes with great power in jumping,throwing,kicking etc are extremely strong in eccentric movements. Specially sprinters muscles needs to stop moving concentricaly so lengthening in eccentric phase(absorbing force) and stopping in isometric phase and again in concentric phase...because of that eccentric isometric phase is much more relevant to speed and power...all the best and explosive,fastest guys are the strongest in eccentric and isometric phase
@@hyundaii20n86 I doubt it, because isometric is very non specific. Sprinting is very dynamic. I'm not sprinter but can't think of any body region that sprinters are keeping static during run.
I agree. Strength is important, but what’s also equally important is power and explosiveness , and to develop power you need to do things like Plyometrics . Strength is good but many people put an over emphasis on strength and neglect other aspects of
Yea when I ran in college the stronger i was the faster I was. Now with that said, there's this guy in my flag football league and he's one of the fastest guys I've ever seen. He lifts zero weights. And I've seen guys who ran track at Ohio state university. So it's definitely genetic too.
@@Gadawg32track and football are different the 100m dash and 40 yard dash are different in shorter races strength and power out weight high velocity training and rate of force devolpment since your accelerating for most of the dash
Just my humble opinion. As a senior sprinter who competes regularly in the Senior Olympics at the National level and has been sprinting probably longer than most of you are old, I can tell you one thing for certain: You get fast on the track, not in the gym. Use the gym to supplement your track workouts with such things as strength training; plyometrics, core work; medicine ball work and resistance band work. You need the gym for overall strength, so your body is ready for what sprinting is going to put it through. Sprinting is controlled chaos and the gym work helps control that chaos. Lifting weights is a small portion of all the training you need to sprint well. It's all about good form, force production and who slows down the least. BOTTOM LINE: To run fast, you have to run fast! JMHO.
The weight room DEFINITELY helped me it really depends on ur body composition and how it will work for you Remember everyone is different What may work for one may not work for the other
Some people certainly NEED to build a sufficient strength to weight ratio. It would take forever to build that with running only. There is also increased body control and confidence achieved by using this training tool.
Probably gave you great gains the first 1-2 years you got into lifting, then slowly started giving you less and less benefits overtime. You will also get ridiculous amounts of body control with guess what? Bodyweight work, plyometrics, and Specifc proprioception work. Which is all shown in the research to give much better “body control” Vs slow strength work. Let’s continue to study my friends
As senior I feel individually my calves being absolute weakness along 2.2 × bw deadlift thought my 1.5 x bw deadlift moves pretty fast and also that matters, it's not about grinding at weight room just execute exercises with better speed and personal load. No one should compare themselves with the others.
@@19Kamau79 you should give yourself what it needs. Its helpful to compare to others put together similar to you or have gone the same path. But you should not base your esteem off of them.
I haven’t read all the comments but I’m impressed. Nobody’s insulting anybody else! When does that ever happen on the internet? “This is my experience, here’s my reasoning, here’s the physics to back me up.” The rest of us can think how everybody’s experiences can apply to our own training: In the offseason maybe I’ll experiment in this or that way. Y’all give me hope.
People that workout are not the type of people to sling internet insults around like the typical trolls and neck beards that inhabit the rest of the internet.
This is because sprinters are unique athletes and human beings. Sprinting is controlled chaos and we have learned to control that chaos in competition and in life. Just my humble opinion.
Im 5'9"... At my peak I had a 39" vertical jump, but I was not very strong in Squats or deadlifts and very rarely did them... I mostly just jumped for hours everyday playing volleyball... Im older now so I do lift regularly to keep up overall general strength and avoid injury when doing sports or sprints. Good video
Jumping at a young age is the #1 way to become athletic later on. Nothing to do with genetics and nonsense you can’t control, if you jumped a lot and played around, your gonna be one hell of an athlete later on which you clearly were
@@justjumarino offense but I think this video was pointless. Of course you’re supposed to focus on sprinting if you want to get better at sprinting but we’re not gonna act like getting stronger is a negative. the reason why squatting 2x bodyweight is a benchmark is because you need strength for power potential. The squat is by far the MOST researched exercise for athleticism and majority of studies say it’s crucial for any strength and conditioning program.
Crucial for beginner athletes. Look at the test subjects for these studies, and look into the negatives of constantly chasing strength, there's benefits to making more money, but also more tax to deal with which is a real issue. It's the same thing with focusing on the wrong stuff when the goal is lifting@@Boogieman618
@@justjumari I’ve never said that you should focus on lifting. All I’m saying is that if you want to be the best athlete you can be then you need to be well rounded not just one dimensional. Multiple studies show that squats also improve overall athletic performance on elite/D1 level athletes especially explosiveness. You won’t make the NBA by just shooting hoops. You won’t make the MLB by just swinging a bat. The accessories are just as important as the primary goal for any sport.
As a sprint coach myself, it’s good to see another coach that understands this. Now that I’m over 40, I’ve started training for an ultramarathon. But I still sprint regularly too. I dropped my gym membership and dropped the static stretching. My only strength work now is mostly just isometric stuff, low volume. I feel like my legs have a much more springy type of feeling now, more responsive to impact. I trained a few decent sprinters without the emphasis on weights and it has been rather successful. Crazy thing is, I’ve gained muscle mass this past year.
Hey man! I’m playing rugby and I would like to sprint faster (now I’m doing some leg sesh in the gym and some liss for the cardio) . Can you explain briefly a sprint session structure?
I am 50. Train olympic weightlifting. Sprinted max effort for the first time in my life last May. First max speed was 37.7 km/h. I am starting to switch from distance running to sprinting as my other sport now, and just working on accelerations twice per week. I can finish 30m somewhere under 4 seconds, with max speeds recorded before decelerating at 30m reaching around 30 km/hr. Last summer when experimenting with this I noticed I could maintain max speed only about 60m, so I am not saying this is competitive. I am just saying that, if you have the genetics, then the strength training is going to make you stupid fast. I just don’t know how to find people to help me learn to not sprint like a runaway freight train. I think some people are just not goi g to respond much at all to strength training with respect to speed development but others will respond a great deal. Noah Lyles, for instance, is a weightlifter.
@@JackBegottiif you want to get faster for rugby you have to Practice running how they run / sprint in a rugby match or competition. It's a skill so you have to Practice that specific skill.
Sprinting is about power output. Increasing 1 rep max (moving slower with higher resistance) is very highly correlated to increasing power output more so than training to move faster with less resistance. (BIG) BUTTTTT! the farther you move away from the specific force and speed range i.e. slow grinding reps, you lose a lot of neurological ability to fire muscle quickly. Try things like post activation potentiation which is 1 or 2 reps heavier than 85% 1 rep max into body weight plyometrics (not competition sprinting, because you never want to alter your sprint form) and power snatches of around bodyweight on the bar. Moving 2x bodyweight can be usefull but you know what's more useful, moving 2x bodyweight fast, so never slow down weights in order to move more weight. It's hard to check the ego sometimes.
everyones body is diffrenet some need to lift some dont just need to find what works for you as an athlete through exspitementation and trial and error , gotta listen to yourself before any coach
When hit the weights, that is when I got faster. At first, I slowed, but at peak I would always be faster. It is about timing.. When I started, I ran 12.98 and in one year of lifting, that dropped to 11.3 and progressed over the years to get faster...
@@keohoward6446 You can.. As a Freshman in high school 1996 12.98, soph 1997 11.80, Junior 1998, 11.20, Senior 1999 10.95, Freshman College 2000, 11.11, Sophomore college 2001, 10.98, Junior year college..10.82, Senior Year college, 10.66w(10.77 corrected), One more year full time Track, 10.39w(10.50 corrected).. Then Retired.. I did not start off as the most talented runner, but I progressed… The last year I ran I was at my strongest…
@@ryang6419 at 14, my weight was 102 bench was 85 and my squat was 135. At 18, my weight was 152 and my bench was 200 and my squat was 305. At 23 my weight was 165 my bench was 275 and my Squat was 405.. That is when I ran my fastest..
@@fitforlifepft1 Thanks bro. I’m 16 right now and ur old stats are almost identical to mine. Was just wondering if all the strength training I’m doing was actually useless. In your opinion, do you think technique/track work or weight training is more important?
People fail at understanding the knowledge that goes into speed and what it means to be “Fast”. It is truly a combination of genetics, work ethic and all around mental health of an athlete. To be a top tier Athlete, you must be strong in all areas, not just one. I seen more talent fall off because there wasn’t a balance between these areas.
There is nothing wrong with doing weights. The purpose of the weights is not to lift the most weight but to do it with good and explosive form. I don’t lift the most but I’m strong pound for pound and adding weights to my sprinting has definitely helped. Obviously just weights aren’t going to make you faster, you need a good combination of both.
I’m a thrower so the weight room is more of a factor but I agree with this take. Best advice I ever got was from Dan John “Throwers throw, sprinters sprint, hurdlers hurdle.” In throwing when generally know what levels of strength are necessary and generally more number based rather than x body weight since being too small hurts performance. It makes perfect sense to me to use more body weight measures of strength values for sprinting. In my opinion 315 conventional deadlift and a 275lbs squat to full depth would be plenty of strength for a sprinter. I wouldn’t see a 500lb deadlift helping a sprinter like it would a thrower. I would add in short hill sprints to the list of exercises you mentioned too.
Throwing is all about dynamic footwork.and dynamic core. And guess what..... It is 100 percent dependent on just doing your sport. Weight room doesn't make you throw farther.
I was my fastest when I had more muscle. After that coaches didn’t know how to train us and I lost a lot of weight and muscle by just running. I got slower because I had no strength and it felt like my legs weren’t touching the ground. Lean muscle definitely helps
It does but I’ve found out through trial and error and testing things out with sprinting in particular core strength is the most important thing. I’ve dropped my time from 12.22 to 10.9 in 4 months just by doing core and hitting the gym once a week.
@@yintotheyang6433 I mainly done hill sprints (15 reps) 2x a week, I do core workouts everyday: I do a core circuit and sit-ups (high rep). I stick to the basics for strength training: push ups, pull ups, squats, lunges, presses this is done once a week. Basically just focus more on strengthening you’re core, sprint and also do loads of plyo
My whole life I've trained with sprints and it wasn't till I joined a touch football league at age 37 did I realize how important it was to train exclusively with sprints. All the bulky muscle I had was more of a hindrance as those muscles require more oxygen and it slowed me down. The following year I only trained sprints with minimal other lifting and I became turbo fast. I say train for whatever you want your body to perform well and you will achieve that feet. If you want to get better at living super heavy things train for lifting heavy but if you want to be a turbo fast athlete train sprints!
This is crazy because I really thought if I could squat 500 I would automatically jump 7 feet or higher in hj. Obviously that isn't true and I kept researching to find out strength is useless without a solid base in-between muscles. Tendons and joints can be strengthened and loading all parts of the body is much more powerful than strengthening your body in one dimension. Different planes and movement speeds. Isometric and plyometric exercises are super good for explosive athletes but also still training your compound lifts with a more speed intent through the movements will really make the difference. Lift heavy weight fast, as apposed to lifting heavier weight slow. You want to dominate weight explosively, then move the weight up. Lastly knees over toes guy and atg essentials are the way to staying healthy while you put your body through the rigorous and forceful training track requires. Gn happy new year
Yea people fail to program strength with plyos and wonder why they aren’t getting explosive. Strength builds a good platform for explosiveness , but if you aren’t lifting heavy weight fast or doing plyos, strength training won’t work. Sounds like poor exercise management and programming 🤷🏽♂️
One thing as well that confuses people is the size of some of these elite sprinters. Asafa Powell, Donovan Bailey, Linford Christie etc... are massive. But it's because they are genetically gifted and respond very well to strength training from a hypertrophy point of view. They didn't put on that much mass for speed, they just happened to be jacked dudes. Look at guys like Lyles, Christophe Lemaitre or even Andre De Grasse, they look like twigs but are as fast. And then you have guys like Harry Aikines, built like a silverback, front squatting 200kg but still can't break a sub 10 sec. Ultimately, mass will slow you down, that's just physics. You need to find a right balance specific to your body type.
Strength≠speed. Power=speed. Lifting weights 110% helps. If you are training fast squats, box squats, jump squats, power cleans you’ll get faster. It’s training power. Time on the track and practicing sprinting is extremely important but so is lifting weights. If I can squat 400lbs at 1.2m/sec then I can move myself at .6 m/sec. It’s all about power and force you bring back into the track. Go into any SEC gym and they’re doing exactly these movements because these build power and strength in the hips and lower body. And I can speak from experience
Also a lot of track has to to with genetics. I’ve run against some of the greatest athletes in the country and genetics has A TON so do with sheer speed
dude the weight room is key for people who dont have natural speed. the fastest sprinters ever barely touched a weight room because they are genetic freaks, most of us are not and need to strengthen the fast twitch muscle fibers in the correct manor in order to acheive this
I personally think it's all about your best power:weight ratio for your specific body, just like how low BHP but lightweight cars can compete with high BHP heavy cars in acceleration and top speed.
The concept of strength training is often misinterpreted. By lifting heavy weights, you enhance your maximum strength limit, which in turn increases your capacity to generate more power. Speed isn’t trained in the gym; instead, it’s developed through maximum speed movements without load, such as sprinting. There aren’t any “transfer” exercises that are worthwhile. It’s as straightforward as that.
The fastest sprinters in the world do not “barely touch” weights. Usain Bolt benches 300+lbs and most of the other guys bench more. Ben Johnson benched 450
@@justjumariit has a lot to do with generation of power, the upper body is the e engine. All elite sprinters over the last 40 years have lifted weights and heavy weights. With the exceptions of Kim Collins
I knew lots of kids in high-school who were fast. Of course form matters but still all the fastest people I knew had always been the fastest people since we were small children. Some people just naturally can run.
All about genetics. Always knew I was faster than everybody in my school/class, but it never came out until right before middle school when I started to figure out sports more
The problem with lifting is how much fatigue it produces. As a rock climber I care both about strength and power but for now I took most of the pure strength work out because after doing 3 heavy sets of cable rows on Monday, my technique training on Tuesday was shot and while it did make me stronger it did not cause enough specific adaptation to justify the fatigue
It’s not about flat out strength it’s about explosive strength. That’s why when you’re a sprinter in the weight room it should be geared towards “functional strength training”. Rather than just squatting a lot of weight, do quick explosive safety bar split squats. Explosive Nordic hamstring curls. Things like that
This reminds me of a study I read about isometric vs. dynamic exercise, and recent knowledge about the force-velocity curve. Basically twitch speed and maximum force production don't increase significantly unless trained for specifically, and dynamic explosive exercises aid the former more, while slow/static exercises aid the latter more.
Sprinting is an equation of force and rate of force output. Lifting weights will increase your max force output as long as you stick to low rep, explosive movements. The weight room is half the battle if you know what you’re doing.
I know I’m kinda late but athletes should be lifting to strengthen their muscles when running, it’s a difference between athletic training and bodybuilding training. Athletes train and workout for an athletic build, for instance DK Metcalf. The more force you implement into the ground the faster you move like the harder you move your arm (with the right form) the more force goes into the ground. Now their should be plyometrics involved to help with jumping, stretching to help loosen muscles, and running to help with building stamina and agility.
Yep, kettlebell swings are just the best when it comes to building strengh and endurance for explosive movements. Its a must do exercise for basically every athlete, especially sprinters.
Mass Specific Force is a concept that relates to sprinting and how an individual's mass affects their ability to generate enough force to overcome gravity. In order to sprint faster, sprinters need to be strong and lean, relative to their own unique build. This is achieved through strength training rather than bodybuilding. When training for sprinting, it is recommended to use low reps and avoid eccentric movements in exercises like the deadlift. Eccentric movements, where the weight is lowered, can cause fatigue and muscle hypertrophy (growth). By focusing on the concentric movement, sprinters can gain strength and recruit more fast-twitch muscle fibers, without promoting muscle growth. The ability to put more force into the ground is crucial for sprinters to improve their ground contact time and stride length. By focusing on strength training and avoiding excessive muscle growth, sprinters can optimize their ability to generate force and offset gravity, ultimately allowing them to run faster.
So where is the videos of him lifting 3+ times per week? Or did you see 1-2 videos randomly on TH-cam with zero claims of his training regimen and just run with a random lie . Also in the video I said you should lift consistently but maybe you didn’t finish it
"weights" as in Olympic lifting and squats CAN give BOLING NEW LIFE. Kim Collins didn't lift until 34 years old at the urging of his wife and his times dropped for the next 4 years. He was running 6.5 60m before and 6.4 60m after and consistent sub 10.00 seconds. It was at the urging of his wife who insisted he use great technique. Using tools to get new gains will get you new confidence.
I agree in Highschool they taught me that you must lift heavy weight and get bigger to run faster which I believe it’s a myth now I used to believe that but what I believed hindered me in 9th grade I was running like 12.3 and then my sophomore year I dipped down to like an 11.2 without lifting weights or anything junior year when I started lifting weights I was running I was still running an 11.2 I was probably like like top 15-10 in my class of runners senior year I was running 10.90-11.00 early in the season but in states I was running much slower I burnt myself out from lifting heavy weights and over training with sprints I probably lifted more weights than I ran no plyometric work or technique so by the time states came I was running 11.30-11.40 coming in last place in the 100 and 200 while everyone else improved so much and I wondered why I didn’t improve I was telling myself “I work hard” why didn’t I improve” I wish I was trained properly I’m 29 years old now and I’ve been off the weights for the past 4 years almost and I’ve been doing more plyometrics and hiit I timed myself recently I’m running a 10.7-10.9 hand timed now looking to get back into competition this conformed it! 💯💯
@@badalsingh3463 you can I wouldn’t lift too heavy though in my opinion you don’t have to touch a weight ever again to become faster and even when it comes to fitness goals it’s about preference and about utilizing the weights the right way.
What matters is that you can produce a lot of force quickly. If you‘re only in the gym, you have a lot of strength. Due to slower contraction velocity in training, your acceleration will be better than your top speed (slower, more force vs faster, less force). If you can get your maximum voluntary contraction up while also increasing the ability to contract a muscle really fast, you will become a better sprinter.
Strength to speed correlation is not linear yet. Law of Diminishing returns. Strength can be a limiting factor to your power. Power= Strength x Speed. If your chase for strength lowers your velocity Power decreases. Use a lot of what he saying to find the balance of these 2 along with all the other bodily systems.
The problem with the 2Xs BW is the priority of the pursuit of it (especially when not programming phases) and the lack of knowledge in lifting. How one lifts is more important than how much.
Everyone train for different things, if you want to be strong lift heavy if you want to be fast do explosive workouts it's really that simple. And those top athletes you mentioned have insane genetics so hance why they are able to run faster. Obviously worked hard in the gym as well
You’re looking at world class athletes . No offense but running in the 11s would s hardly comparable. I’ve run under 21 in the 200 and under 10.5 in the 100 which are not remotely close to world class but I’ve spent 4 years n a division 1 strength program. I’ve seen world class athletes train and lift and you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water based on your own experience. You’re times were so slow that strength was indeed a hindrance but it doesn’t sound like you had the fast twitch athleticism that strength is meant to compliment in the first place , again no offense genuinely. But to be fair if you lifted those numbers which I’m sure you did, that’s next level. But the issue is you don’t seem to realize Noah has posted a Twitter picture of him hang cleaning 231. These guys DO lift and more than when you think you were the strongest. Are you suggesting Boling doesn’t squat? Bc you know how much he can actually squat right hahah the man is monster . They have the natural gifts of an athlete AND the weight room work ethic. It makes sense guys running slow in the 12s and 11s would experience a speed increase when mass is reduced. But bc world class athletes like the ones you mention are competing and training at such high levels, their weight management is under control . It’s all a balance but I disagree whole heartedly with the message strtgth isn’t speed. In fact I genuinely can give you a number of studies and training programs that would disagree. Unless you’re talking about non collegiate athletes atleast which then I would agree that mass is less important but then you’re dealing with issues like sprint mechanics.
Let’s pause for a second. I’ve trained two guys to go 10.2 and 10.4 each. And I still stand by what I said, go ahead and reframe this message but 30x shorter
Strongly agree with you bro. I usually have a 8-10 weeks of pure strength workouts (when I am at the gym) during the very beginning of the season, always working on my technique on the track with so many drills, to then pass to 1 strength sesh to the gym, in which I try to execute quick movements, preferring lots of plyo workouts, having an important force structure done before. In my humble and personal opinion, I think in way too many cases, both strength and plyos are overused, I think this is due to lack of knowledge by many coaches (you can't do high volume plyo exs at the very beginning of the season, nor doing only max strength sesh at the gym all the times).
Another element is doing enough strength training to stay health or recover from injury vs increasing strength. Many NFL teams have moved in this direction. The body can only take so much and the goal is to stay healthy so you can maximize your sprint/track or football training. This is exactly why Tom Brady told JJ McCarthy at Michigan. Tom told him to stop or drop greatly reduce the strength training especially during the season and focus on the on the field or in this case on the track training.
Doesn’t mean you weren’t decently strong. If you did some deadlifts you’d probably be pretty good at them, but like you said you didn’t need them to be fast. I try to make my strength training and running compliment each but of course running and sprinting is more important. Also do not get inflexible. Never go multiple weeks without getting good stretching
Its not just lifting weights. In order to train and compete effectively, a sprinter will lift primarily, but not solely, in the offseason because recovery times will greatly affect the nature and quality of time done in the season sprinting. Also, time spent lifting will also include smart recovery methods, including lots of ice baths, stretching, proper nutrition, quality shut eye, and massage.
If I could make a suggestion, look into John Evans and his vertical jump training. Of course, it's a different movement entirely, but the goal of the training is the same as with sprinting: improving power output in a short ground contact time. He doesn't focus much on deadlifts and squats, but there is a high level of focus on hang cleans and power cleans.
@@justjumari You misunderstood, i’m talking about how much of his training is focused on that. You are speaking for 80-90% plyos, the rest strength work, while his is closer to 50/50. I recommend you look into it
Coach Tony Holler - Feed the Cats. As a distance runner I think the guy speaks some huge truths. Holler is not against weight training at all but states it should not be the first priority. I am changing my training routine based on his insights and am curious to see how it works out.
Just adding this for a counter point on going above 1.75x BW causing negative feedback and compensations - Randy Huntington, Olympic coach of Su Bingtian and other athletes, has said in a podcast (IASC) that he wants his sprinters to squat 2.5x-3x bodyweight. I think the main point is prioritize sprinting and plyometrics ahead of strength numbers beyond 1.5x BW or you’ll be turning into a powerlifter. Oh, and there are studies showing athletes who can’t squat 1.5x their BW didn’t see improvements from plyometrics - so you better get to that strength number!
I think you should look into a video called “how strong do you have to be by PJF podcast” he explains some of my points much better I think you’ll get my standpoint
There are some studies but there’s also ton of olympic sprinters and nba players who can sprint and jump out the gym who have stayed hundreds of times that they have never touched the weight room. So we have to question the narratives these studies try to bring in and the type of athletes they are using at studies. Random guys who never worked out? Or 10 years of training mainly slow twitch then all of a sudden some plyos? A lot of questions to be asked
@@justjumari high school boys were the ones in the study - a good portion of your audience I’m guessing 😂 I appreciate and enjoy your content btw, keep it up. We definitely agree on the main principles here (prioritize sprinting over everything), but I disagree with negative effects over 1.75x. The podcast just references no positive effects on max speed over 1.75x but nothing negative. What about acceleration/block starts? I reference Su Bingtian as he clocked the fastest 30m and 60m splits ever in Tokyo. I just don’t think writing off improving strength beyond a certain point is good as it seems to be athlete dependent and not a general rule. As you referenced nba players and Olympic sprinters, I’ll reference NFL players. You see some dudes running the 40 at 4.3 and under who probably only squat 1.5-1.75x and then you got guys like Tyreek Hill and Alec Pierce with massive squats/deadlifts putting them at 2.5x and over. Some people benefit, others don’t.
@@jackvandyke how any of you heard about the force number from ryan flaherty . a nfl speed coach very famous who made a correlation between the 1 rep max trap bar deadlift divided by the bodyweight. the higher that number was the faster the 40 yards dash used to be. he said he could pretty much predict how fast they were gonna be of that force number.
I think it's all about balance. When you see that doing more strength work interferes with speed development because of fatigue or lost time on specific work (in this case sprint and drills on track) then you need to reconsider how much volume you can allocate for each physical feature. Definitely depends on phase of training.
I agree. I noticed the same thing back in my day. I got faster times when i stopped lifting. Although i cared more about size than speed due to football being my main sport and track being second
If by strength training you mean become a powerlifter or a bodybuilder then of course you will get slower. But speed is a consequence of peak impulse expressed in short ground contact times. That means rapid force production. Either olympic lifts or combine heavy (1-3 rep) squats with plyo.
I agree with you here. In my 20's (I'm 35 now) I was a professional boxer and if you can please forgive me talking about myself, I was a hard puncher, and explosive. The only other training I did before boxing was gymnastics (4 years) and my boxing coach told me I had good body control which he felt was the main reason for my power. I began to lift weights somewhat and even though I got stronger it didn't really help my punching, and in fact I was probably the weakest one in the gym for my weight. But now when I talk to kids at the gym I tell them to learn how to relax and to "flow" when they throw a punch. I know it sounds ridiculous but it works, and think about it, who teaches a cheetah how to run? They don't do anything but run.
In my youth I had just finished reading Charlie Francis' book "Coaching Sprint Speed (title could be wrong) as a result I added the reverse leg press on the Universal Machine to my regular workouts, got up to 515 pounds with one leg (weight indicated on the right side of the stack) to train the hammies. I never really monitored my sprint speed, never sprinted, just pushed the numbers up, well, at a family reunion an opportunity arose to test my training, I never in my life moved as fast, it was exhilarating! Weight training correctly done most definitely increases sprint speed, you don't need as much as many people think though.
Great content! Also has a lot to do with neurological recruitment of different types of muscle fibers. Mark Asanovich talks about this with different types of athletes as it relates to sport specific skills.
This has always been up for different opinions. I was a sprinter and a running back in 1968-70 when we ran yards. In football we backs would always run toward the big guys because they couldn't run fast or far. Speed is something you are born with either you have it or you don't, it was called muscle retraction if I recall, my brother two years younger had it also. Other than practicing your start there was no training for the 100, it was just wide open for 9.9 seconds. We trained for the 220 and practiced the relays which our team set a FHSAA record. The long distance runners always looked worn down to me and the big boys were in the bleachers. The other thing I wouldn't do was stretch, it seemed to me a lot of those guys would pull up lame especially after about 110 yards. Matthew Boling is no joke, that Dude is fast. Good video subject.
yeah 1.6x bodyweight squat is exactly what the research sais. After that there is not much improvement. There was also research that sais slow sprinters can do 1 minute of planking, fastest sprinters can do 11 minutes of planking. There was some correlation too.
Preach my friend . Low transfer once you get vast 1.5 and for the planking having a good core can help with transfer from the ankle to glute so that’s definitely good!
Research is definitely wrong then. Speaking from experience. Go through and poll world class Sprinters. The vast majority will be able to squat pretty heavy.
@@stevenmiller6725 Yes but the improvement between 1.6xbw and 3xbw is very small. But ofcourse when you are worldclass you need every advantage there is. I remember a guy who doubled his squat weights and gained 0.1 second. Is that worth it... sure if you are olympian, but for recreational not worth risking your spine and knees.
I always thought of myself as a dragster: most power in the lightest body that I could be. Also, I never " maxed" so my heaviest squat- 395, came at a body weight of 165, for 3 reps. It worked, there is more to the story, but, I totally understand your point.
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If I’m not mistaken speed is force x acceleration. Therefore strength would be a main component if the athlete isn’t as strong but can hit the ground fast. So when it comes to getting faster shouldn’t you be focusing on your weaknesses? Also wanted to mention that elite sprinters, specifically Usain Bolt has reported to squat 4-5 times his body weight.
@@dylanfunk221 yes, but he can’t do that without strength. Strength is one of the most important parts of sprinting. It’s also in the way you train your body. If you don’t do pylometrics or sprint your body won’t translate that strength into sprint speed.
bolt used to train 3 times a week in the gym and there is a video of him going trough his gym routine. another one is asafa powell. the sub 10 king and former wr holder who is very strong and frequently lifts. and then there is trae williams aka quadzilla from australia with a 10.10 100m who could hack squat 500kg acording to himself.
you took noah lyles and as an exampel but how many exampels do we have of elite sprinters that are beeefy and strong in the gym as well? ben johnson, michel johnson, asafa , yohan , gatlin su bingtian. or very unknown but freak of nature callled emmanuel matadi apparantly 100 kg bodyweight with a 9,99 s 100m
Maurice Greene was also a power sprinter. I suspect University of Oregon Micah Williams whose built like a track version of Mike Tyson has good weight room numbers. On the female side, Mary Beth Sant Price has good weight room numbers with her max squat over 3x her body weight and impressive power cleans and a 32" vertical jump.
Noah lyles is a bad example. You can see him squatting heavy and cleaning heavy weight on his Instagram. Just because he's lean and doesn't look like he lifts, he definitely does.
I was also slowest when I was at my strongest. I think my issue was with mobility though, and our strength program also wasn't that good so I had developed some inbalances. Being strong is important for sprinting, but what people overlook is that you have to be strong within the full range of motion. During a sprint, your muscles go from nearly being fully stretched to fully flexed multiple times per second. Neglecting the full range of motion when weight training will hinder flexibility, cause mobility issues, and increase risk of injury while sprinting. Note that I'm talking about weight training for the purpose of developing pure strength. Sometimes it's fine to half-rep or quarter-rep if you're primarily focusing on rate of force production. You just have to make sure that you're not neglecting the full range of motion in that specific muscle, and that it is ultimately strong enough to comfortably go through the rapid stretch shortening cycle during sprinting.
This greatly depends on what the needs, limitations and deficiencies are of the athlete. If an athlete is already fast and has been most of their life most likely due to a genetic disposition then that is totally different from an athlete who is limited. If an athlete is deficient in power, speed and/or body composition then you can have them sprint all day and they will not be fast. You must have a foundation or develop it or you will only get so far. Most athletes overtrain in the weight room and do a lot of body builder type exercises. Deadlift and pull ups are directly correlated with top sprinters. These two exercises are great indicators of posture chain and core strength. Another thing is in order to get faster you must train and sprint at full recovery. Most do the opposite.
At my best (only ever recreational, not a competitor) i felt everything you said and did most of what you said to get there. The proprioception training, the 1.5-2x bw lifts (I was doing 2x), due to previous injuries i was focused on a lot of rehab stuff and those things made me way more elastic and tendon strong. Running was like cutting through the wind, pure mechanics and it was like i can change gears - start and stop, cut an angle at will. Beat running shape i ever been. Unfortunately i atarted sprinting a lot for fun haha like warmups and such, eventually one day i just got injured again and i havent been the same since. i was also been a bit lazy to go do the rehab work.... but i am now, and cant wait to be super agile again.
I was big into weightlifting, strongest kid in school yet one of the slowest.. I could never understand how I can be so strong yet so slow for such a jacked body.. now I understand that I was working those slow twitch heavy muscles. They were great for working in construction for 8 hours a day but not for sports that required explosiveness.
So idk what happened but one day I was doing broad jumps and I felt like I tweaked my back, ever since then it’s been hard for me to even deadlift 135 but before I used to do much more do you have any suggestions?
I did. the exact same thing. The only thing that worked for me was QL raises. Search it up on TH-cam. It’s a back muscle that is rarely ever targeted but was the culprit of my pain
I'm not a sprinter and I'm over 40.... Pushing sled forwards and backwards give my legs a great workout without the back pain and knee pain I was getting from squatting....
This lie is still around? I grew up in the 1980s, and my friends and I knew this was a lie back then. The most explosive athletes were relatively weak in the weight room. There is a TH-cam channel called “Squat Everyday” where the dude has been squatting everyday for like 5 years. He is good at lifting but chubby and obviously not an athletic person. I heard him once say that he would like to train somebody like Lebron because he thinks proper squatting would make such an athlete more explosive. People like that keep the lie floating. Imagine that. He thinks he could teach one of the world’s greatest pro athletes a lesson. He thinks his heavy, slow, controlled squats will make athletes more explosive.
Young man is correct ‘ you only have to do a small percentage of weight training ‘ if you want to be a runner ‘ or sprinter’ as he attested to ‘over doing with weights hurt his performance
Hii, please tell me bro where you gets the videos of Noah's coach And where I can get to watch his lectures on speed strength elasticity Please reply Thank you.
I bought his lectures , some videos of his clinics, a lot of his interviews and such. I also learned a lot of my info through a lot of books and expensive courses. I’m talking like $500+ type of courses. So im not sure it’s that accessible to most people
There is a body of research that shows that the single biggest factor determining the difference between elite/ pro and say div 1 sprinters is the ability to relax, which is a trainable skill. Speed is largely a genetic trait, strength training can enhance speed and resilience but the fastest sprinters ( and any other athlete where explosiveness matters) have a higher capacity for maximum explosiveness in force production and explosive relaxation.
@@justjumari sure, but you won’t take a mule and make it a thoroughbred.And to your point about strength: sure there are plenty of strong, slow people, but there is no such thing as a weak fast person…lower leg stiffness and elasticity is highly dependent on lower leg strength, from sprinters to marathoners.
@@justjumari and just to reiterate, speed of relaxation between contractions (between contractions is where ATP resynthesizes) is perhaps all other things being more or less equal (strength for example) what separates the almost elite from the elite…and may be the one trainable aspect of speed most overlooked.
So as a 13 year old who just started lifting I weight 110 lbs im 5'6 (ik im skinny) and I run a 4.72 40 meter dash. I can squat 165 for 12 reps. Should I stop lifting? please help.
"Knees Over Toes Guy" teaches something like this. He's very flexible, especially in his legs, and he doubled his vertical jump in his 40s without putting on much mass. It's definitely a power-to-weight ratio and range-of-motion thing, as well as neural-capacitive speed AKA mind-muscle connection. Training for strength isn't a downfall, but carrying more mass that your increased output doesn't offset IS. After all, force, mass, and acceleration are all related. If you can reduce mass and maintain the same force, you increase acceleration. If you increase mass and require the same acceleration, you need more force. The flexibility training so you can retain your range of motion helps reduce wasted energy by making your joints and ligaments less resistant. They also allow you to produce power over a broader range of motion/longer time per stride or jump.
People are throwing out comments discrediting me without knowing my credentials (read below) Hey, I am Justin Laboy, a Strength And Conditioning Coach who helps athletes run faster and jump higher. I have helped 2 guys run 10.36 and 10.55 (FAT) in the 100m, 10+ guys run sub 11 in the 100m, 5+ 4.4 in the 40yd. I’ve also trained multiple Division 1 soccer (4+ guys) basketball (guys at duke and even more places) and track athletes (top highschool and collegiate sprinters) This was an old video so I definitely didn’t script well or explain perfectly. But let’s not act like im some TH-cam guy , I been coaching for YEARS
It's important to note that speed-strength is very different from absolute strength. A guy whose able to squat 400+ lbs quickly is gonna be much faster than the guy who can squat 500 lbs but is grinding the rep. Your brain sends different signals for each lift even though they're both squats. That probably why you rarely see sprinters squat above 90% of their true max.
@@mixa7039 I'm older but I was a 52.86 400 hurdler. But I'm also a strength coach and conditioning coach who works with sprinters. Within the confines of a well-written strength and conditioning program weightlifting is absolutely essential. Kim Collins historically was the one male sprinter who did not lift during his elite career and he is an anomaly.
How was this a horrible take? It’s definitely not from the results I have? I have those, I used research to back it up and I can link much more to you if you need it. So explain yourself
My ratios come from top level nfl and nba recommendations. You wonder why athletic highschool athletes go to college and loose athleticism randomly? Lift them into the ground and get rid of the elastic energy. Simple and happens all the time
@@justjumari meh .. 90% of top sprint coaches/ sprinters will disagree. Simply TH-cam their strength workouts and see if they are ran into the ground 🤷🏾♂️. The evidence doesn't add up.
Your waffling every world class sprinter does the Olympic lifts and works there muscle if you use weights it helps you but more force into the ground 😂😂
Very interesting breakdown. It sounds like in that breakout year in high school you may have accidentally periodized your training. From what we were taught, strength training is important but its for the off season. Plyometrics for in-season and more sprinting the closer you get to comp.
As a 52 year old who competes in powerlifting, I recently measured my 40 time to be around 6.1 seconds. I suppose I could get down below 5.5s if I prioritized sprinting.
I respect the educational info. It’s the internet age and weather you are right, people will always try to have a comment to look smarter and what not. If people had better info I think they should talk about it on a camera. I mean that’s what TH-cam is about now a days. But good content 👍🏼. Thanks
i understand that training entirely like a bodybuilder is not good for being a track/ football athlete, however i doubt most people will get "too big" to where you'll get slower. if you have speed you have speed, and yes you can always get faster.
As a coach, when creating periodization for my sprint athletes, i put 3 sessions of strength workout per week in their 4 weeks GPP - the objectives are to develop their general strength (whole body) plus activation, physical, posture & of course injury prevention. During the same session of strength training i always combined it with acceleration or speed workout before cooling down / end of session. The sessions comprises of weight training, sled pull etc. The non strength training days, i put plyometrics and speed endurance exercises. Entering the SPP, i used complex strength training methods, sub maximal strength, resistance band, sled pull / push on their training programs plus acceleration & speed. Plyometrics & speed endurance during the non strength sessions.. During the pre competition phases, i then reduced the strength sessions to only one or two sessions per week just to maintain their main muscle strengths... And focus more on techniques, speeds, speed endurances, blocks, accelerations etc... I found out my athletes improved a lot... In summary, i think its all depends on how we planned, combined and created the training programs/ meso, micro etc.. And i agree... Weight training alone, will not increased athlete's performances.
when I started squating my vertical jump went up but years later when i started doing hip thrusts i noticed that I got faster. Glutes push you forward horizontally and quads push you vertically. Walking on a treadmill works your glutes more than a stairmaster does
the problem with lifting weights for anything is weight lifting builds static strength not functional strength there will be people who lift less than you and can rag-doll you around.
Forget the weights for runners. Tell me one Cheetah that lifts weights? Tell me one Greyhound that lifts weights? Tell me one Pronghorn Antelope that lifts weights? Now tell me a second one? Can't come up with a second one, can you?
Similarly many distance runners try to lengthen their stride. What they actually need to do is increase their turnover even if their stride is slightly shortened.
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Hear me out: Mass Specific Force. You can look into it and find a lot of details. But basically, in order to sprint* faster, one must be able to put enough force into the ground to offset gravity. How gravity affects each individual is relative to their own specific mass. This means sprinters should be as strong as possible, while also remaining as lean as possible (relative to their own unique build). This is done in the gym. Sprinters should strength train, as opposed to training like body builders: Use low reps. The sprinter should avoid eccentric movements in exercises like the deadlift, because lowering the weight causes fatigue and therefore hypertrophy, where the muscle grows. Focusing only on the concentric movement allows the athlete to gain strength and recruit more fast twitch fibers, and avoid muscle growth. A sprinter's ground contact time and stride length are the result of putting more force into the ground. The gym becomes useless for sprinters when the focus is on hypertrophy and growth as opposed to strength. BUT strength is crucial to running fast. If you can't put force into the ground, you can't offset gravity, you can’t* run fast
Sooo relative strength
@@justjumari yes, but specifically with how much force is applied to the ground
That is true but I will argue all day and night about eccentric movements..much more force is coming from eccentric, just doing concentric work won't make you faster for sure, you know that muscle works in isometric,concentric and eccentric,,so you need to train all of them..during sprinting hamstrings load are extremely higher in eccentric during lengthening and pre touch phase to the ground, most of the injuries in muscles during sprints, acceleration ina all sports are happening during eccentric(lengthening) work of muscles,,,one rule in season or near competition,game or whatever is that doing just concentric work is OK, doesn't make you tired,so recovery for next day is faster, not microtearing muscle with eccentric work that is fine.. but all the best sprinters or other athletes with great power in jumping,throwing,kicking etc are extremely strong in eccentric movements. Specially sprinters muscles needs to stop moving concentricaly so lengthening in eccentric phase(absorbing force) and stopping in isometric phase and again in concentric phase...because of that eccentric isometric phase is much more relevant to speed and power...all the best and explosive,fastest guys are the strongest in eccentric and isometric phase
Would isometrics have a good carry over to sprinting?
@@hyundaii20n86 I doubt it, because isometric is very non specific. Sprinting is very dynamic. I'm not sprinter but can't think of any body region that sprinters are keeping static during run.
I agree. Strength is important, but what’s also equally important is power and explosiveness , and to develop power you need to do things like Plyometrics . Strength is good but many people put an over emphasis on strength and neglect other aspects of
Lol ur stamin-up pfp is funny considering the context of this video😭
Former collegiate sprinter here, my fastest ever (in 60m, 200m, 400m) was at my strongest and heaviest weight.
Yea when I ran in college the stronger i was the faster I was.
Now with that said, there's this guy in my flag football league and he's one of the fastest guys I've ever seen. He lifts zero weights. And I've seen guys who ran track at Ohio state university.
So it's definitely genetic too.
I was a Former D1 RB and my fastest 40 came when I was at my strongest in weight room. I his assessment varies greatly by person!
What you mean with strongest? What exercises ?
@@JackBegotti squat, power clean, RDL to name a few. I’m big on squats.
@@Gadawg32track and football are different the 100m dash and 40 yard dash are different in shorter races strength and power out weight high velocity training and rate of force devolpment since your accelerating for most of the dash
Just my humble opinion. As a senior sprinter who competes regularly in the Senior Olympics at the National level and has been sprinting probably longer than most of you are old, I can tell you one thing for certain: You get fast on the track, not in the gym. Use the gym to supplement your track workouts with such things as strength training; plyometrics, core work; medicine ball work and resistance band work. You need the gym for overall strength, so your body is ready for what sprinting is going to put it through. Sprinting is controlled chaos and the gym work helps control that chaos. Lifting weights is a small portion of all the training you need to sprint well. It's all about good form, force production and who slows down the least. BOTTOM LINE: To run fast, you have to run fast! JMHO.
What routine should I do that will strengthen my abs
@@vince11harrisbest exercises to strengthen your core and transfer to sprinting is bicycles, suitcase Carries, and leg raises
@@Messup7654Andre De grasse tyson is a pure example not alot of mass but almost beat usain bolt he's a natural sprinter
Makes a lot of sense and quite essentially what the video is saying. Unfortunately, the controversial headline really doesn’t help.
Facts
The weight room DEFINITELY helped me it really depends on ur body composition and how it will work for you
Remember everyone is different
What may work for one may not work for the other
Some people certainly NEED to build a sufficient strength to weight ratio. It would take forever to build that with running only. There is also increased body control and confidence achieved by using this training tool.
Probably gave you great gains the first 1-2 years you got into lifting, then slowly started giving you less and less benefits overtime. You will also get ridiculous amounts of body control with guess what? Bodyweight work, plyometrics, and Specifc proprioception work. Which is all shown in the research to give much better “body control” Vs slow strength work. Let’s continue to study my friends
@@justjumari yea you need to get stronger but at a certain point, getting stronger isn’t going to translate to speed
As senior I feel individually my calves being absolute weakness along 2.2 × bw deadlift thought my 1.5 x bw deadlift moves pretty fast and also that matters, it's not about grinding at weight room just execute exercises with better speed and personal load. No one should compare themselves with the others.
@@19Kamau79 you should give yourself what it needs. Its helpful to compare to others put together similar to you or have gone the same path. But you should not base your esteem off of them.
I haven’t read all the comments but I’m impressed. Nobody’s insulting anybody else! When does that ever happen on the internet?
“This is my experience, here’s my reasoning, here’s the physics to back me up.” The rest of us can think how everybody’s experiences can apply to our own training: In the offseason maybe I’ll experiment in this or that way.
Y’all give me hope.
I am. Steve up top, he is stupid.
People that workout are not the type of people to sling internet insults around like the typical trolls and neck beards that inhabit the rest of the internet.
This is because sprinters are unique athletes and human beings. Sprinting is controlled chaos and we have learned to control that chaos in competition and in life. Just my humble opinion.
Beards are awesome
Agreed @ the comments. I read everyone being civilized and didn't even know how to handle it lol.
Im 5'9"... At my peak I had a 39" vertical jump, but I was not very strong in Squats or deadlifts and very rarely did them... I mostly just jumped for hours everyday playing volleyball... Im older now so I do lift regularly to keep up overall general strength and avoid injury when doing sports or sprints. Good video
Jumping at a young age is the #1 way to become athletic later on. Nothing to do with genetics and nonsense you can’t control, if you jumped a lot and played around, your gonna be one hell of an athlete later on which you clearly were
Started gym and increased vert by like 15 inches ,def does help
@@justjumarino offense but I think this video was pointless. Of course you’re supposed to focus on sprinting if you want to get better at sprinting but we’re not gonna act like getting stronger is a negative. the reason why squatting 2x bodyweight is a benchmark is because you need strength for power potential. The squat is by far the MOST researched exercise for athleticism and majority of studies say it’s crucial for any strength and conditioning program.
Crucial for beginner athletes. Look at the test subjects for these studies, and look into the negatives of constantly chasing strength, there's benefits to making more money, but also more tax to deal with which is a real issue. It's the same thing with focusing on the wrong stuff when the goal is lifting@@Boogieman618
@@justjumari I’ve never said that you should focus on lifting. All I’m saying is that if you want to be the best athlete you can be then you need to be well rounded not just one dimensional. Multiple studies show that squats also improve overall athletic performance on elite/D1 level athletes especially explosiveness. You won’t make the NBA by just shooting hoops. You won’t make the MLB by just swinging a bat. The accessories are just as important as the primary goal for any sport.
As a sprint coach myself, it’s good to see another coach that understands this. Now that I’m over 40, I’ve started training for an ultramarathon. But I still sprint regularly too. I dropped my gym membership and dropped the static stretching. My only strength work now is mostly just isometric stuff, low volume. I feel like my legs have a much more springy type of feeling now, more responsive to impact. I trained a few decent sprinters without the emphasis on weights and it has been rather successful. Crazy thing is, I’ve gained muscle mass this past year.
Hey man! I’m playing rugby and I would like to sprint faster (now I’m doing some leg sesh in the gym and some liss for the cardio) . Can you explain briefly a sprint session structure?
I am 50. Train olympic weightlifting. Sprinted max effort for the first time in my life last May. First max speed was 37.7 km/h. I am starting to switch from distance running to sprinting as my other sport now, and just working on accelerations twice per week. I can finish 30m somewhere under 4 seconds, with max speeds recorded before decelerating at 30m reaching around 30 km/hr. Last summer when experimenting with this I noticed I could maintain max speed only about 60m, so I am not saying this is competitive. I am just saying that, if you have the genetics, then the strength training is going to make you stupid fast. I just don’t know how to find people to help me learn to not sprint like a runaway freight train. I think some people are just not goi g to respond much at all to strength training with respect to speed development but others will respond a great deal. Noah Lyles, for instance, is a weightlifter.
@@JackBegottiAndre De grasse tyson is a pure example not alot of mass but almost beat usain bolt he's a natural sprinter
@@JackBegottiif you want to get faster for rugby you have to Practice running how they run / sprint in a rugby match or competition. It's a skill so you have to Practice that specific skill.
Sprinting is about power output. Increasing 1 rep max (moving slower with higher resistance) is very highly correlated to increasing power output more so than training to move faster with less resistance. (BIG) BUTTTTT! the farther you move away from the specific force and speed range i.e. slow grinding reps, you lose a lot of neurological ability to fire muscle quickly. Try things like post activation potentiation which is 1 or 2 reps heavier than 85% 1 rep max into body weight plyometrics (not competition sprinting, because you never want to alter your sprint form) and power snatches of around bodyweight on the bar. Moving 2x bodyweight can be usefull but you know what's more useful, moving 2x bodyweight fast, so never slow down weights in order to move more weight. It's hard to check the ego sometimes.
everyones body is diffrenet some need to lift some dont just need to find what works for you as an athlete through exspitementation and trial and error , gotta listen to yourself before any coach
When hit the weights, that is when I got faster. At first, I slowed, but at peak I would always be faster. It is about timing.. When I started, I ran 12.98 and in one year of lifting, that dropped to 11.3 and progressed over the years to get faster...
Dang I'm hoping I can get that progression
@@keohoward6446 You can.. As a Freshman in high school 1996 12.98, soph 1997 11.80, Junior 1998, 11.20, Senior 1999 10.95, Freshman College 2000, 11.11, Sophomore college 2001, 10.98, Junior year college..10.82, Senior Year college, 10.66w(10.77 corrected), One more year full time Track, 10.39w(10.50 corrected).. Then Retired.. I did not start off as the most talented runner, but I progressed… The last year I ran I was at my strongest…
@@fitforlifepft1what was your weight and squat/bench?
@@ryang6419 at 14, my weight was 102 bench was 85 and my squat was 135. At 18, my weight was 152 and my bench was 200 and my squat was 305. At 23 my weight was 165 my bench was 275 and my Squat was 405.. That is when I ran my fastest..
@@fitforlifepft1 Thanks bro. I’m 16 right now and ur old stats are almost identical to mine. Was just wondering if all the strength training I’m doing was actually useless. In your opinion, do you think technique/track work or weight training is more important?
People fail at understanding the knowledge that goes into speed and what it means to be “Fast”. It is truly a combination of genetics, work ethic and all around mental health of an athlete. To be a top tier Athlete, you must be strong in all areas, not just one. I seen more talent fall off because there wasn’t a balance between these areas.
Andre De grasse tyson is a pure example not alot of mass but almost beat usain bolt he's a natural sprinter
You forgot the Juice consumption
man fuck Genetics
There is nothing wrong with doing weights. The purpose of the weights is not to lift the most weight but to do it with good and explosive form. I don’t lift the most but I’m strong pound for pound and adding weights to my sprinting has definitely helped. Obviously just weights aren’t going to make you faster, you need a good combination of both.
Pretty much what I said in the video
@@justjumari
Okay, now I don’t need to watch the video - THANKS!
I’m a thrower so the weight room is more of a factor but I agree with this take. Best advice I ever got was from Dan John “Throwers throw, sprinters sprint, hurdlers hurdle.” In throwing when generally know what levels of strength are necessary and generally more number based rather than x body weight since being too small hurts performance.
It makes perfect sense to me to use more body weight measures of strength values for sprinting. In my opinion 315 conventional deadlift and a 275lbs squat to full depth would be plenty of strength for a sprinter. I wouldn’t see a 500lb deadlift helping a sprinter like it would a thrower.
I would add in short hill sprints to the list of exercises you mentioned too.
Throwing is all about dynamic footwork.and dynamic core. And guess what..... It is 100 percent dependent on just doing your sport. Weight room doesn't make you throw farther.
@@sasquatchrosefarts you don't throw very far do you
Neither would be because even 500lb is quite a lot maybe to much
@@paxundpeace9970 Refer to my comment above
As a college and pro coach I’ll say this…the best sprinters are extremely strong and lift tons of weights…
More then 10 examples and research to back statement ?
@@justjumariall Olympic athletes are very strong but like you said what’s more important is how powerful they are
I was my fastest when I had more muscle. After that coaches didn’t know how to train us and I lost a lot of weight and muscle by just running. I got slower because I had no strength and it felt like my legs weren’t touching the ground. Lean muscle definitely helps
It does but I’ve found out through trial and error and testing things out with sprinting in particular core strength is the most important thing. I’ve dropped my time from 12.22 to 10.9 in 4 months just by doing core and hitting the gym once a week.
@ no way !! 😳😳😳 can you tell me exactly how? Please
@@yintotheyang6433 I mainly done hill sprints (15 reps) 2x a week, I do core workouts everyday: I do a core circuit and sit-ups (high rep). I stick to the basics for strength training: push ups, pull ups, squats, lunges, presses this is done once a week.
Basically just focus more on strengthening you’re core, sprint and also do loads of plyo
@@Samzo2002 thank you so much!
My whole life I've trained with sprints and it wasn't till I joined a touch football league at age 37 did I realize how important it was to train exclusively with sprints. All the bulky muscle I had was more of a hindrance as those muscles require more oxygen and it slowed me down. The following year I only trained sprints with minimal other lifting and I became turbo fast. I say train for whatever you want your body to perform well and you will achieve that feet. If you want to get better at living super heavy things train for lifting heavy but if you want to be a turbo fast athlete train sprints!
Bottom line: To run fast, you have to run fast! 👍👍
Or do both
Strength training proceeds the technical training. Weights training alone is pointless in athletic training
How did you train to sprint faster? A typical training sesh?
This is crazy because I really thought if I could squat 500 I would automatically jump 7 feet or higher in hj. Obviously that isn't true and I kept researching to find out strength is useless without a solid base in-between muscles. Tendons and joints can be strengthened and loading all parts of the body is much more powerful than strengthening your body in one dimension. Different planes and movement speeds. Isometric and plyometric exercises are super good for explosive athletes but also still training your compound lifts with a more speed intent through the movements will really make the difference. Lift heavy weight fast, as apposed to lifting heavier weight slow. You want to dominate weight explosively, then move the weight up. Lastly knees over toes guy and atg essentials are the way to staying healthy while you put your body through the rigorous and forceful training track requires. Gn happy new year
Yea people fail to program strength with plyos and wonder why they aren’t getting explosive. Strength builds a good platform for explosiveness , but if you aren’t lifting heavy weight fast or doing plyos, strength training won’t work. Sounds like poor exercise management and programming 🤷🏽♂️
One thing as well that confuses people is the size of some of these elite sprinters. Asafa Powell, Donovan Bailey, Linford Christie etc... are massive. But it's because they are genetically gifted and respond very well to strength training from a hypertrophy point of view. They didn't put on that much mass for speed, they just happened to be jacked dudes. Look at guys like Lyles, Christophe Lemaitre or even Andre De Grasse, they look like twigs but are as fast. And then you have guys like Harry Aikines, built like a silverback, front squatting 200kg but still can't break a sub 10 sec. Ultimately, mass will slow you down, that's just physics. You need to find a right balance specific to your body type.
Strength≠speed. Power=speed. Lifting weights 110% helps. If you are training fast squats, box squats, jump squats, power cleans you’ll get faster. It’s training power. Time on the track and practicing sprinting is extremely important but so is lifting weights. If I can squat 400lbs at 1.2m/sec then I can move myself at .6 m/sec. It’s all about power and force you bring back into the track. Go into any SEC gym and they’re doing exactly these movements because these build power and strength in the hips and lower body. And I can speak from experience
Also a lot of track has to to with genetics. I’ve run against some of the greatest athletes in the country and genetics has A TON so do with sheer speed
Also look at Saquon Barkley, dude runs a 4.4 @ 6’0 234. The average sprinter is what? 6’0-6’2 sub 200lbs? This video ain’t true for every sprinter
Power development is facts. I said no slow Strength, never said no fast Strength. We focus on Velocity based training
dude the weight room is key for people who dont have natural speed. the fastest sprinters ever barely touched a weight room because they are genetic freaks, most of us are not and need to strengthen the fast twitch muscle fibers in the correct manor in order to acheive this
They still see the weight room twice a weak
The best exercise for sprinting is sprinting. Who would have thought.
I personally think it's all about your best power:weight ratio for your specific body, just like how low BHP but lightweight cars can compete with high BHP heavy cars in acceleration and top speed.
The concept of strength training is often misinterpreted. By lifting heavy weights, you enhance your maximum strength limit, which in turn increases your capacity to generate more power. Speed isn’t trained in the gym; instead, it’s developed through maximum speed movements without load, such as sprinting. There aren’t any “transfer” exercises that are worthwhile. It’s as straightforward as that.
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The fastest sprinters in the world do not “barely touch” weights. Usain Bolt benches 300+lbs and most of the other guys bench more. Ben Johnson benched 450
when did bench have to do with how much force you produce on the ground in .2 second ground contact time
@@justjumariit has a lot to do with generation of power, the upper body is the e engine. All elite sprinters over the last 40 years have lifted weights and heavy weights. With the exceptions of Kim Collins
I knew lots of kids in high-school who were fast. Of course form matters but still all the fastest people I knew had always been the fastest people since we were small children. Some people just naturally can run.
All about genetics. Always knew I was faster than everybody in my school/class, but it never came out until right before middle school when I started to figure out sports more
The problem with lifting is how much fatigue it produces. As a rock climber I care both about strength and power but for now I took most of the pure strength work out because after doing 3 heavy sets of cable rows on Monday, my technique training on Tuesday was shot and while it did make me stronger it did not cause enough specific adaptation to justify the fatigue
It’s not about flat out strength it’s about explosive strength. That’s why when you’re a sprinter in the weight room it should be geared towards “functional strength training”. Rather than just squatting a lot of weight, do quick explosive safety bar split squats. Explosive Nordic hamstring curls. Things like that
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This reminds me of a study I read about isometric vs. dynamic exercise, and recent knowledge about the force-velocity curve.
Basically twitch speed and maximum force production don't increase significantly unless trained for specifically, and dynamic explosive exercises aid the former more, while slow/static exercises aid the latter more.
Sprinting is an equation of force and rate of force output. Lifting weights will increase your max force output as long as you stick to low rep, explosive movements. The weight room is half the battle if you know what you’re doing.
I know I’m kinda late but athletes should be lifting to strengthen their muscles when running, it’s a difference between athletic training and bodybuilding training. Athletes train and workout for an athletic build, for instance DK Metcalf. The more force you implement into the ground the faster you move like the harder you move your arm (with the right form) the more force goes into the ground. Now their should be plyometrics involved to help with jumping, stretching to help loosen muscles, and running to help with building stamina and agility.
Plyos are important but squats, hanging leg raises, and RDLs with straight legs are important to prevent injury.
Kettlebell stuff has improved my speed over middle distance running a lot. Swings are the bread and butter. Now I just get PB after PB
Yep, kettlebell swings are just the best when it comes to building strengh and endurance for explosive movements. Its a must do exercise for basically every athlete, especially sprinters.
Mass Specific Force is a concept that relates to sprinting and how an individual's mass affects their ability to generate enough force to overcome gravity. In order to sprint faster, sprinters need to be strong and lean, relative to their own unique build. This is achieved through strength training rather than bodybuilding.
When training for sprinting, it is recommended to use low reps and avoid eccentric movements in exercises like the deadlift. Eccentric movements, where the weight is lowered, can cause fatigue and muscle hypertrophy (growth). By focusing on the concentric movement, sprinters can gain strength and recruit more fast-twitch muscle fibers, without promoting muscle growth.
The ability to put more force into the ground is crucial for sprinters to improve their ground contact time and stride length. By focusing on strength training and avoiding excessive muscle growth, sprinters can optimize their ability to generate force and offset gravity, ultimately allowing them to run faster.
Usain Bolt practices weight training in his regimen. He is literally the fastest sprinter in the world.
So where is the videos of him lifting 3+ times per week? Or did you see 1-2 videos randomly on TH-cam with zero claims of his training regimen and just run with a random lie . Also in the video I said you should lift consistently but maybe you didn’t finish it
@@justjumariBolt only was in the gym lifting twice a week
"weights" as in Olympic lifting and squats CAN give BOLING NEW LIFE. Kim Collins didn't lift until 34 years old at the urging of his wife and his times dropped for the next 4 years. He was running 6.5 60m before and 6.4 60m after and consistent sub 10.00 seconds. It was at the urging of his wife who insisted he use great technique. Using tools to get new gains will get you new confidence.
I agree in Highschool they taught me that you must lift heavy weight and get bigger to run faster which I believe it’s a myth now I used to believe that but what I believed hindered me in 9th grade I was running like 12.3 and then my sophomore year I dipped down to like an 11.2 without lifting weights or anything junior year when I started lifting weights I was running I was still running an 11.2 I was probably like like top 15-10 in my class of runners senior year I was running 10.90-11.00 early in the season but in states I was running much slower I burnt myself out from lifting heavy weights and over training with sprints I probably lifted more weights than I ran no plyometric work or technique so by the time states came I was running 11.30-11.40 coming in last place in the 100 and 200 while everyone else improved so much and I wondered why I didn’t improve I was telling myself “I work hard” why didn’t I improve” I wish I was trained properly I’m 29 years old now and I’ve been off the weights for the past 4 years almost and I’ve been doing more plyometrics and hiit I timed myself recently I’m running a 10.7-10.9 hand timed now looking to get back into competition this conformed it! 💯💯
That’s what’s up bro keep grinding !
You supposed to do pylos with strength training to get faster
@@qp1539 I know that now I wish I knew what I knew now
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@@badalsingh3463 you can I wouldn’t lift too heavy though in my opinion you don’t have to touch a weight ever again to become faster and even when it comes to fitness goals it’s about preference and about utilizing the weights the right way.
What matters is that you can produce a lot of force quickly. If you‘re only in the gym, you have a lot of strength. Due to slower contraction velocity in training, your acceleration will be better than your top speed (slower, more force vs faster, less force). If you can get your maximum voluntary contraction up while also increasing the ability to contract a muscle really fast, you will become a better sprinter.
Strength to speed correlation is not linear yet. Law of Diminishing returns. Strength can be a limiting factor to your power. Power= Strength x Speed. If your chase for strength lowers your velocity Power decreases. Use a lot of what he saying to find the balance of these 2 along with all the other bodily systems.
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The problem with the 2Xs BW is the priority of the pursuit of it (especially when not programming phases) and the lack of knowledge in lifting. How one lifts is more important than how much.
Angles and velocity !
2x bw is a joke lift. very easy to reach that weight for anyone even with testosterone.
Everyone train for different things, if you want to be strong lift heavy if you want to be fast do explosive workouts it's really that simple. And those top athletes you mentioned have insane genetics so hance why they are able to run faster. Obviously worked hard in the gym as well
You’re looking at world class athletes . No offense but running in the 11s would s hardly comparable. I’ve run under 21 in the 200 and under 10.5 in the 100 which are not remotely close to world class but I’ve spent 4 years n a division 1 strength program. I’ve seen world class athletes train and lift and you’re throwing the baby out with the bath water based on your own experience. You’re times were so slow that strength was indeed a hindrance but it doesn’t sound like you had the fast twitch athleticism that strength is meant to compliment in the first place , again no offense genuinely. But to be fair if you lifted those numbers which I’m sure you did, that’s next level.
But the issue is you don’t seem to realize Noah has posted a Twitter picture of him hang cleaning 231. These guys DO lift and more than when you think you were the strongest. Are you suggesting Boling doesn’t squat? Bc you know how much he can actually squat right hahah the man is monster . They have the natural gifts of an athlete AND the weight room work ethic. It makes sense guys running slow in the 12s and 11s would experience a speed increase when mass is reduced. But bc world class athletes like the ones you mention are competing and training at such high levels, their weight management is under control . It’s all a balance but I disagree whole heartedly with the message strtgth isn’t speed. In fact I genuinely can give you a number of studies and training programs that would disagree. Unless you’re talking about non collegiate athletes atleast which then I would agree that mass is less important but then you’re dealing with issues like sprint mechanics.
Let’s pause for a second. I’ve trained two guys to go 10.2 and 10.4 each. And I still stand by what I said, go ahead and reframe this message but 30x shorter
Strongly agree with you bro.
I usually have a 8-10 weeks of pure strength workouts (when I am at the gym) during the very beginning of the season, always working on my technique on the track with so many drills, to then pass to 1 strength sesh to the gym, in which I try to execute quick movements, preferring lots of plyo workouts, having an important force structure done before.
In my humble and personal opinion, I think in way too many cases, both strength and plyos are overused, I think this is due to lack of knowledge by many coaches (you can't do high volume plyo exs at the very beginning of the season, nor doing only max strength sesh at the gym all the times).
Definitely do some strength phases about 2 months out the year. I see everything you say and I agree !
Another element is doing enough strength training to stay health or recover from injury vs increasing strength. Many NFL teams have moved in this direction. The body can only take so much and the goal is to stay healthy so you can maximize your sprint/track or football training. This is exactly why Tom Brady told JJ McCarthy at Michigan. Tom told him to stop or drop greatly reduce the strength training especially during the season and focus on the on the field or in this case on the track training.
At 15 I weighed 130 pounds and I ran a 4.81 40-yard dash. I'd never done a single deadlift, and I'd only squatted maybe 4 times in my life.
Doesn’t mean you weren’t decently strong. If you did some deadlifts you’d probably be pretty good at them, but like you said you didn’t need them to be fast. I try to make my strength training and running compliment each but of course running and sprinting is more important. Also do not get inflexible. Never go multiple weeks without getting good stretching
Its not just lifting weights. In order to train and compete effectively, a sprinter will lift primarily, but not solely, in the offseason because recovery times will greatly affect the nature and quality of time done in the season sprinting. Also, time spent lifting will also include smart recovery methods, including lots of ice baths, stretching, proper nutrition, quality shut eye, and massage.
If I could make a suggestion, look into John Evans and his vertical jump training. Of course, it's a different movement entirely, but the goal of the training is the same as with sprinting: improving power output in a short ground contact time. He doesn't focus much on deadlifts and squats, but there is a high level of focus on hang cleans and power cleans.
Lol I literally said all that in my video
@@justjumari You misunderstood, i’m talking about how much of his training is focused on that. You are speaking for 80-90% plyos, the rest strength work, while his is closer to 50/50. I recommend you look into it
Coach Tony Holler - Feed the Cats. As a distance runner I think the guy speaks some huge truths. Holler is not against weight training at all but states it should not be the first priority. I am changing my training routine based on his insights and am curious to see how it works out.
Just adding this for a counter point on going above 1.75x BW causing negative feedback and compensations - Randy Huntington, Olympic coach of Su Bingtian and other athletes, has said in a podcast (IASC) that he wants his sprinters to squat 2.5x-3x bodyweight.
I think the main point is prioritize sprinting and plyometrics ahead of strength numbers beyond 1.5x BW or you’ll be turning into a powerlifter.
Oh, and there are studies showing athletes who can’t squat 1.5x their BW didn’t see improvements from plyometrics - so you better get to that strength number!
I think you should look into a video called “how strong do you have to be by PJF podcast” he explains some of my points much better I think you’ll get my standpoint
There are some studies but there’s also ton of olympic sprinters and nba players who can sprint and jump out the gym who have stayed hundreds of times that they have never touched the weight room. So we have to question the narratives these studies try to bring in and the type of athletes they are using at studies. Random guys who never worked out? Or 10 years of training mainly slow twitch then all of a sudden some plyos? A lot of questions to be asked
@@justjumari high school boys were the ones in the study - a good portion of your audience I’m guessing 😂 I appreciate and enjoy your content btw, keep it up. We definitely agree on the main principles here (prioritize sprinting over everything), but I disagree with negative effects over 1.75x. The podcast just references no positive effects on max speed over 1.75x but nothing negative. What about acceleration/block starts? I reference Su Bingtian as he clocked the fastest 30m and 60m splits ever in Tokyo. I just don’t think writing off improving strength beyond a certain point is good as it seems to be athlete dependent and not a general rule. As you referenced nba players and Olympic sprinters, I’ll reference NFL players. You see some dudes running the 40 at 4.3 and under who probably only squat 1.5-1.75x and then you got guys like Tyreek Hill and Alec Pierce with massive squats/deadlifts putting them at 2.5x and over. Some people benefit, others don’t.
@@jackvandyke how any of you heard about the force number from ryan flaherty . a nfl speed coach very famous who made a correlation between the 1 rep max trap bar deadlift divided by the bodyweight. the higher that number was the faster the 40 yards dash used to be. he said he could pretty much predict how fast they were gonna be of that force number.
I think it's all about balance. When you see that doing more strength work interferes with speed development because of fatigue or lost time on specific work (in this case sprint and drills on track) then you need to reconsider how much volume you can allocate for each physical feature. Definitely depends on phase of training.
I agree. I noticed the same thing back in my day. I got faster times when i stopped lifting. Although i cared more about size than speed due to football being my main sport and track being second
The most significant predictor of an athlete's outcome are their parents.
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@@justjumari Its actually not. he's talking about genetics.
If by strength training you mean become a powerlifter or a bodybuilder then of course you will get slower. But speed is a consequence of peak impulse expressed in short ground contact times. That means rapid force production. Either olympic lifts or combine heavy (1-3 rep) squats with plyo.
I agree with you here. In my 20's (I'm 35 now) I was a professional boxer and if you can please forgive me talking about myself, I was a hard puncher, and explosive. The only other training I did before boxing was gymnastics (4 years) and my boxing coach told me I had good body control which he felt was the main reason for my power. I began to lift weights somewhat and even though I got stronger it didn't really help my punching, and in fact I was probably the weakest one in the gym for my weight. But now when I talk to kids at the gym I tell them to learn how to relax and to "flow" when they throw a punch. I know it sounds ridiculous but it works, and think about it, who teaches a cheetah how to run? They don't do anything but run.
They also stretch a lot, which keeps them springy.
In my youth I had just finished reading Charlie Francis' book "Coaching Sprint Speed (title could be wrong) as a result I added the reverse leg press on the Universal Machine to my regular workouts, got up to 515 pounds with one leg (weight indicated on the right side of the stack) to train the hammies. I never really monitored my sprint speed, never sprinted, just pushed the numbers up, well, at a family reunion an opportunity arose to test my training, I never in my life moved as fast, it was exhilarating! Weight training correctly done most definitely increases sprint speed, you don't need as much as many people think though.
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Also has a lot to do with neurological recruitment of different types of muscle fibers. Mark Asanovich talks about this with different types of athletes as it relates to sport specific skills.
This has always been up for different opinions. I was a sprinter and a running back in 1968-70 when we ran yards. In football we backs would always run toward the big guys because they couldn't run fast or far. Speed is something you are born with either you have it or you don't, it was called muscle retraction if I recall, my brother two years younger had it also. Other than practicing your start there was no training for the 100, it was just wide open for 9.9 seconds. We trained for the 220 and practiced the relays which our team set a FHSAA record. The long distance runners always looked worn down to me and the big boys were in the bleachers. The other thing I wouldn't do was stretch, it seemed to me a lot of those guys would pull up lame especially after about 110 yards. Matthew Boling is no joke, that Dude is fast. Good video subject.
yeah 1.6x bodyweight squat is exactly what the research sais. After that there is not much improvement. There was also research that sais slow sprinters can do 1 minute of planking, fastest sprinters can do 11 minutes of planking. There was some correlation too.
Preach my friend . Low transfer once you get vast 1.5 and for the planking having a good core can help with transfer from the ankle to glute so that’s definitely good!
Research is definitely wrong then. Speaking from experience. Go through and poll world class Sprinters. The vast majority will be able to squat pretty heavy.
@@stevenmiller6725 Yes but the improvement between 1.6xbw and 3xbw is very small. But ofcourse when you are worldclass you need every advantage there is. I remember a guy who doubled his squat weights and gained 0.1 second. Is that worth it... sure if you are olympian, but for recreational not worth risking your spine and knees.
I always thought of myself as a dragster: most power in the lightest body that I could be. Also, I never " maxed" so my heaviest squat- 395, came at a body weight of 165, for 3 reps. It worked, there is more to the story, but, I totally understand your point.
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There's at least one study claiming full squats are bad for sprinting, but squating above parallel (closer to 1/3 to 1/4 squats) were very effective.
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If I’m not mistaken speed is force x acceleration. Therefore strength would be a main component if the athlete isn’t as strong but can hit the ground fast. So when it comes to getting faster shouldn’t you be focusing on your weaknesses?
Also wanted to mention that elite sprinters, specifically Usain Bolt has reported to squat 4-5 times his body weight.
Force in the research is velocity specific, and lmao there’s no way usain holt is squatting over 800lbs even close to parallel
I believe you mean that Usain Bolt was able to put 4-5x his body weight of force into the ground or something related to that
@@dylanfunk221 yes, but he can’t do that without strength. Strength is one of the most important parts of sprinting. It’s also in the way you train your body. If you don’t do pylometrics or sprint your body won’t translate that strength into sprint speed.
lol. speed is what? force x acceleration??? where do you get this shit from?
bolt used to train 3 times a week in the gym and there is a video of him going trough his gym routine. another one is asafa powell. the sub 10 king and former wr holder who is very strong and frequently lifts. and then there is trae williams aka quadzilla from australia with a 10.10 100m who could hack squat 500kg acording to himself.
Lifting quickly without fatigue helps maintain type IIa or IIax fibers. Regular lifting transitions to type IIa. There's a review paper on this.
Plyos also do the same
you took noah lyles and as an exampel but how many exampels do we have of elite sprinters that are beeefy and strong in the gym as well? ben johnson, michel johnson, asafa , yohan , gatlin su bingtian. or very unknown but freak of nature callled emmanuel matadi apparantly 100 kg bodyweight with a 9,99 s 100m
Maurice Greene was also a power sprinter. I suspect University of Oregon Micah Williams whose built like a track version of Mike Tyson has good weight room numbers.
On the female side, Mary Beth Sant Price has good weight room numbers with her max squat over 3x her body weight and impressive power cleans and a 32" vertical jump.
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Noah lyles is a bad example. You can see him squatting heavy and cleaning heavy weight on his Instagram. Just because he's lean and doesn't look like he lifts, he definitely does.
I was also slowest when I was at my strongest. I think my issue was with mobility though, and our strength program also wasn't that good so I had developed some inbalances. Being strong is important for sprinting, but what people overlook is that you have to be strong within the full range of motion. During a sprint, your muscles go from nearly being fully stretched to fully flexed multiple times per second. Neglecting the full range of motion when weight training will hinder flexibility, cause mobility issues, and increase risk of injury while sprinting. Note that I'm talking about weight training for the purpose of developing pure strength. Sometimes it's fine to half-rep or quarter-rep if you're primarily focusing on rate of force production. You just have to make sure that you're not neglecting the full range of motion in that specific muscle, and that it is ultimately strong enough to comfortably go through the rapid stretch shortening cycle during sprinting.
What about power sled? Seems it would be a great way to improve acceleration.
This greatly depends on what the needs, limitations and deficiencies are of the athlete. If an athlete is already fast and has been most of their life most likely due to a genetic disposition then that is totally different from an athlete who is limited.
If an athlete is deficient in power, speed and/or body composition then you can have them sprint all day and they will not be fast.
You must have a foundation or develop it or you will only get so far. Most athletes overtrain in the weight room and do a lot of body builder type exercises.
Deadlift and pull ups are directly correlated with top sprinters. These two exercises are great indicators of posture chain and core strength.
Another thing is in order to get faster you must train and sprint at full recovery. Most do the opposite.
Quick question! What are some exercises that would be ideal for improving elasticity at the hip/groin specifically?
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At my best (only ever recreational, not a competitor) i felt everything you said and did most of what you said to get there. The proprioception training, the 1.5-2x bw lifts (I was doing 2x), due to previous injuries i was focused on a lot of rehab stuff and those things made me way more elastic and tendon strong. Running was like cutting through the wind, pure mechanics and it was like i can change gears - start and stop, cut an angle at will. Beat running shape i ever been. Unfortunately i atarted sprinting a lot for fun haha like warmups and such, eventually one day i just got injured again and i havent been the same since. i was also been a bit lazy to go do the rehab work.... but i am now, and cant wait to be super agile again.
i think kinesthetic intelligence is more important thant strenght for atlheticism.
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I was big into weightlifting, strongest kid in school yet one of the slowest.. I could never understand how I can be so strong yet so slow for such a jacked body.. now I understand that I was working those slow twitch heavy muscles. They were great for working in construction for 8 hours a day but not for sports that required explosiveness.
So idk what happened but one day I was doing broad jumps and I felt like I tweaked my back, ever since then it’s been hard for me to even deadlift 135 but before I used to do much more do you have any suggestions?
do back extension :).
Bodyweight or dumbbell work and back extensions
I did. the exact same thing. The only thing that worked for me was QL raises. Search it up on TH-cam. It’s a back muscle that is rarely ever targeted but was the culprit of my pain
Squats work for bike racing strength, but for sprinting, I would choose heavy sled pushing and pulling over squats any day.
I'm not a sprinter and I'm over 40.... Pushing sled forwards and backwards give my legs a great workout without the back pain and knee pain I was getting from squatting....
@@brianvestasleds is good for force generated in starts but squats are still very useful
This lie is still around? I grew up in the 1980s, and my friends and I knew this was a lie back then. The most explosive athletes were relatively weak in the weight room.
There is a TH-cam channel called “Squat Everyday” where the dude has been squatting everyday for like 5 years. He is good at lifting but chubby and obviously not an athletic person. I heard him once say that he would like to train somebody like Lebron because he thinks proper squatting would make such an athlete more explosive. People like that keep the lie floating. Imagine that. He thinks he could teach one of the world’s greatest pro athletes a lesson. He thinks his heavy, slow, controlled squats will make athletes more explosive.
Oh wow your SPITTING
Young man is correct ‘ you only have to do a small percentage of weight training ‘ if you want to be a runner ‘ or sprinter’ as he attested to ‘over doing with weights hurt his performance
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Hii, please tell me bro where you gets the videos of Noah's coach
And where I can get to watch his lectures on speed strength elasticity
Please reply Thank you.
I bought his lectures , some videos of his clinics, a lot of his interviews and such. I also learned a lot of my info through a lot of books and expensive courses. I’m talking like $500+ type of courses. So im not sure it’s that accessible to most people
@@justjumari yeah sure bro
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There is a body of research that shows that the single biggest factor determining the difference between elite/ pro and say div 1 sprinters is the ability to relax, which is a trainable skill. Speed is largely a genetic trait, strength training can enhance speed and resilience but the fastest sprinters ( and any other athlete where explosiveness matters) have a higher capacity for maximum explosiveness in force production and explosive relaxation.
Speed is still trainable !
@@justjumari sure, but you won’t take a mule and make it a thoroughbred.And to your point about strength: sure there are plenty of strong, slow people, but there is no such thing as a weak fast person…lower leg stiffness and elasticity is highly dependent on lower leg strength, from sprinters to marathoners.
@@justjumari and just to reiterate, speed of relaxation between contractions (between contractions is where ATP resynthesizes) is perhaps all other things being more or less equal (strength for example) what separates the almost elite from the elite…and may be the one trainable aspect of speed most overlooked.
So as a 13 year old who just started lifting I weight 110 lbs im 5'6 (ik im skinny) and I run a 4.72 40 meter dash. I can squat 165 for 12 reps. Should I stop lifting? please help.
Don’t stop lifting just focus more on Plyometrics
As a younger kid I would focus on bodyweight control and strength vs barbel strength, really maximize the elastic energy you get as a kid
@@justjumari thanks!
"Knees Over Toes Guy" teaches something like this. He's very flexible, especially in his legs, and he doubled his vertical jump in his 40s without putting on much mass. It's definitely a power-to-weight ratio and range-of-motion thing, as well as neural-capacitive speed AKA mind-muscle connection. Training for strength isn't a downfall, but carrying more mass that your increased output doesn't offset IS. After all, force, mass, and acceleration are all related. If you can reduce mass and maintain the same force, you increase acceleration. If you increase mass and require the same acceleration, you need more force. The flexibility training so you can retain your range of motion helps reduce wasted energy by making your joints and ligaments less resistant. They also allow you to produce power over a broader range of motion/longer time per stride or jump.
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I’ve also trained multiple Division 1 soccer (4+ guys)
basketball (guys at duke and even more places)
and track athletes (top highschool and collegiate sprinters)
This was an old video so I definitely didn’t script well or explain perfectly. But let’s not act like im some TH-cam guy , I been coaching for YEARS
Basically just sprint more to get faster, nothing else matters, speed is made on the track, not the gym
LMAO I read this as "Hey,I am Justin Ladyboy"
It's important to note that speed-strength is very different from absolute strength. A guy whose able to squat 400+ lbs quickly is gonna be much faster than the guy who can squat 500 lbs but is grinding the rep. Your brain sends different signals for each lift even though they're both squats. That probably why you rarely see sprinters squat above 90% of their true max.
This is HORRIBLE take.
K whats ur stats
@@mixa7039 I'm older but I was a 52.86 400 hurdler. But I'm also a strength coach and conditioning coach who works with sprinters. Within the confines of a well-written strength and conditioning program weightlifting is absolutely essential. Kim Collins historically was the one male sprinter who did not lift during his elite career and he is an anomaly.
How was this a horrible take? It’s definitely not from the results I have? I have those, I used research to back it up and I can link much more to you if you need it. So explain yourself
My ratios come from top level nfl and nba recommendations. You wonder why athletic highschool athletes go to college and loose athleticism randomly? Lift them into the ground and get rid of the elastic energy. Simple and happens all the time
@@justjumari meh .. 90% of top sprint coaches/ sprinters will disagree. Simply TH-cam their strength workouts and see if they are ran into the ground 🤷🏾♂️. The evidence doesn't add up.
thankyou so very much for making this video, the description is very helpful.
Your waffling every world class sprinter does the Olympic lifts and works there muscle if you use weights it helps you but more force into the ground 😂😂
Can tell you ain’t understand the video homie
I don’t think you really understood what I was saying In The video, you probably didn’t finish the whole thing
@@justjumari my bad watched the full thing sorry brother
i agree tbf
So true! Tell those NFL coaches who have their wide receivers in the weight room all season. It a good old boy net work that is slow to change.
Very interesting breakdown. It sounds like in that breakout year in high school you may have accidentally periodized your training. From what we were taught, strength training is important but its for the off season. Plyometrics for in-season and more sprinting the closer you get to comp.
As a 52 year old who competes in powerlifting, I recently measured my 40 time to be around 6.1 seconds. I suppose I could get down below 5.5s if I prioritized sprinting.
I respect the educational info. It’s the internet age and weather you are right, people will always try to have a comment to look smarter and what not. If people had better info I think they should talk about it on a camera. I mean that’s what TH-cam is about now a days. But good content 👍🏼. Thanks
i understand that training entirely like a bodybuilder is not good for being a track/ football athlete, however i doubt most people will get "too big" to where you'll get slower. if you have speed you have speed, and yes you can always get faster.
Damn, i guess my grandma must be faster than Usain Bolt cuz she hasn't stepped in the gym her entire life
As a coach, when creating periodization for my sprint athletes, i put 3 sessions of strength workout per week in their 4 weeks GPP - the objectives are to develop their general strength (whole body) plus activation, physical, posture & of course injury prevention. During the same session of strength training i always combined it with acceleration or speed workout before cooling down / end of session. The sessions comprises of weight training, sled pull etc. The non strength training days, i put plyometrics and speed endurance exercises.
Entering the SPP, i used complex strength training methods, sub maximal strength, resistance band, sled pull / push on their training programs plus acceleration & speed. Plyometrics & speed endurance during the non strength sessions..
During the pre competition phases, i then reduced the strength sessions to only one or two sessions per week just to maintain their main muscle strengths... And focus more on techniques, speeds, speed endurances, blocks, accelerations etc...
I found out my athletes improved a lot... In summary, i think its all depends on how we planned, combined and created the training programs/ meso, micro etc..
And i agree... Weight training alone, will not increased athlete's performances.
Weight lifting builds slow mass moving muscles while calisthenics builds fast twitching muscles. Its pretty obvious what sprinters would benefit from
fast twitching muscles are 'mass moving' muscles though
Calisthenics you can only go so far
when I started squating my vertical jump went up but years later when i started doing hip thrusts i noticed that I got faster. Glutes push you forward horizontally and quads push you vertically. Walking on a treadmill works your glutes more than a stairmaster does
Strength is good for early acceleration and injury prevention
the problem with lifting weights for anything is weight lifting builds static strength not functional strength there will be people who lift less than you and can rag-doll you around.
i don't think Hershel Walker lifted weights.
Extremely True. Weight lifting killed my 100 time. Better in football but hurt my track speed.
Did you ever think that you might have run faster just because of development? Going from 16 to 17 years old a lot can change.
The story wasn’t even full accurate. I was just trying to give something that was relatable to help drive my point, wouldn’t think to deep into It
Forget the weights for runners. Tell me one Cheetah that lifts weights? Tell me one Greyhound that lifts weights? Tell me one Pronghorn Antelope that lifts weights? Now tell me a second one? Can't come up with a second one, can you?
Name one animal that lifts weights
Similarly many distance runners try to lengthen their stride. What they actually need to do is increase their turnover even if their stride is slightly shortened.
Okay!