What Happened to Balin's Expedition in Moria? | Lord of the Rings Lore | Middle-Earth
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- Balin’s expedition into Moria is one of the sadder, more horrific tales that takes place in Middle-Earth. This Dwarven Colony in Khazad-Dum would have some success at the start, though fate was cruel to them and they eventually experienced a terrible end, locked in the chamber of Mazarbul. What Happened to this expedition? What successes did they have? And was there any way for them to avoid their horrific end?
These questions and more as we explore one of the many mysteries in the Lord of the Rings.
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Hey guys hope you enjoy this week's video! As always subtitles are available. I'm sorry it's a bit late in the week, though I had some trouble uploading it which caused some delays :(
Thank you for this vid, I just love the dwarfs
No worries man.
Have you seen that WitcherGeorge has made 2 videos about Middle Earth??
Not familiar with him to be honest :)
What about Filmento,Film Theory.
Have you heard about those??
"They have taken the bridge and the Second Hall. We have barred the gates but cannot hold them for long. The ground shakes...drums, drums in the deep. We cannot get out. The shadow moves in the dark. We cannot get out. They are coming."
Man that still creeps me out all these years later
Even more interesting and sorrowful when you realize that those words were written by Ori. He was the dwarf that had been shot by an orc arrow and who died, sitting by the tomb of Balin. His skeleton was still holding the book. Ori had been the record keeper and kept them right to his final moments. Gandalf took it out of his hands and read his final words. I can only imagine how he must have felt remembering Ori from when they were on the quest to reclaim Erabor. Blows my mind. That must have been really sad. Also so sad for Gimli to know that Oin had been killed by the Watcher in the Water. That was his uncle. The brother of Gloin. So much sadness in this part of the story that we dont think of when reading/watching Fellowship of the Ring. Great video!
@@cindymadsen5767 at the very least Gimili received the book so he could take it to Erebor.
Absolutely chilling. Badass.
Made even more creepy when you hear the drums in the deep after Pippin was a fool of a took
@@mrcritical6751 😂😂 always gets me!
I don't blame the dwarves making an attempt though. They managed to take back Erebor from a dragon, they probably felt that anything was possible at that point.
Well i wouldn't say that there was no chance of success. The main problem i think was the manpower. Balin's expedition was small, too small to truely reclaim Khazad-Dûm.
Mhm, I wonder how well they remembered the Balrog though, whether it was a mystery to them simply referred to as Durin's Bane
@@GeekZoneMT I'm tempted to say that they had forgotten just how powerful it was and thought they could drive it out just as they had done with Smaug.
@@GeekZoneMT, Well we know that at the very least Dain knew about it, and i doubt Balin would have taken such warnings lightly. Although perhaps he was a bit too optimistic about it all.
@@tuub1281 i think they remembered, but what we must remember it the greatest of weaknesses of Dwarves that being their pride and arrogance. They believe they can overcome any obstacle through sheer will and determination. Granted this is admirable but History is filled with examples that this is simply not enough. . . sadly
There is one dwarf yet in Moria who still draws breath!!
Where’s this dwarf now?
@@simoncss1 In Moria, NOT drawing breath?
JUst kidding - is now the King of Ass-hat Doom
Don't underestimate the dwarves. There are now hundreds of Dwarves in moria who still draw breath
@@sirsteam181 They must have developed a system of reminding everyone each morning.
As I said in the discord, this expedition would make such a great horror cinematic, would be such a great fan film!
Yeah for sure, it would need a decent budget though to do it justice!
I think a 4th age reclaiming shadowed by Balin's disaster would be a good TV Show.
I would love a high level CGI video, like the DUST channel
This would be a great side story, like Rouge 1 for star wars
Lord of the Rings: In To Moria
Balin was my favourite Dwarf in the Hobbit films in particular for how he always stood up for Bilbo whenever Thorin was being an arsehole to him.
Makes it all the sadder he's gone 😭
Loved him in the film, though his implied age made him seem almost like a father figure to Thorin, when in fact Thorin was seventeen years older than Balin. I'm re-reading the books again, and I do believe Balin did come and visit Bilbo at least once, accompanied by Gandalf. I also found it strange that in the LOTR films, Bilbo tells Frodo he meant to return to Erebor but that old age caught up to him. Granted, the films cut out the seventeen year interlude between Bilbo's birthday party and the start of Frodo's quest. However, in the books, Bilbo did in fact return to Erebor, and only later settled in Rivendell. I can only imagine he was crushed to learn what happened to his friends in Moria. 😥
Balin was the kindest dwarf to befriend Bilbo and admired the hobbit for his new found courage during their adventures together. I could only imagine just how heartbroken Bilbo would be if he knew what happened to Balin 30 years earlier in the Lord of the Rings stories, but he never knew what really became of his dear friend.
The worst part, I think I heard from my friend that he found info saying that Ori was the one who wrote in the book about what’s happened.
That broke me bc I was like “Dude don’t mess with me, that can’t be his fate, man this sucks…” I was just broken to hear his fate was to die with his friend in the dark of Moria.
@@jamesplunkett8912later not earlier
I always shed a tear when I see poor Balin's final resting place
Yeah, especially since he was one of the most popular dwarves in the Hobbit :(
When you see the LOTR movie and haven't read the Hobbit Gimli crying is like "uh, okay... Some random dwarf is dead". But when you read the Hobbit and/or see the movie, you get it. Balin is one of the best things in the Hobbit movie. He's like Santa Claus, but nicer.
I think the saddest thing is when Gandalf took the book from the dead dwarfs hands, not realising it was his friend Ori ...
@@Philtopy ori was the dawf with the slingshot in the hobbit sad to think that they died shorty after the hobbit
Just saying with all the mithrill they found I'm surprised they didn't end up wiping the orcs out mean mithrill was stronger than armour and normal chainmail
For me Khazad-dum is easily the scariest thing in the entirety of LotR. Everything from the huge pillars and complete darkness to when the fellowship accidentally wakes up the thousands of orcs/goblins residing there.
I hated how Balin met his end in Moria. But I agree it was a tad ambitious to try to reconquer Moria right after Erebor. Should’ve planned carefully and waited for a mighty dwarven force to accompany them. Everything seemed rather rush but I mean it’s their home its understandable why they did it when they did. Anyways, I always enjoy your videos!
I wonder why they never tried to contact their brotherern for help. In the battle of the five armies we saw him send a crow and than not to long after iron foot army shows up to aid
@@brandonmay3785 Things probably went too bad, too fast to call for help. Also, Erebor is a lot closer to Iron Hills than Khazad-Dum is to either of them or Blue Mountains.
The pure terror they felt when hearing the drums, shivers down my spine
Would you dare to visit Moria with an invisibility cloak ?
No, cause I'd get lost, horrible sense of direction 😂
I would..but would carry the elder wand too..just in case😅
@@GeekZoneMT you'd just have to follow your nose
I may do if i had a ring.
My dads been to moria
Am I the only one who just watch these because they're so relaxing? You're very good at narration, keep up the good work!
Cheers mate!
@@GeekZoneMT These are not only relaxing! You choose your images very wisely and make a great job of narrating the lore! It takes talent to take the vast amount of Tolkiens story and all the sources out there and distill it into an interesting video. I enjoy your work. Thank you, friend.
it's like those ASMR videos
@@safenders I could listen to him all day, even though I tend to like elven lore a bit more, he makes dwarven lore so much more interesting - the sign of a gifted narrator.
@@Nymic absolutely
I always felt this was entirely out of character for Balin. But then I’m reminded he was a dwarf...
I do too...I mean he was the rational, cautious, wise one of the group. I wouldn't expect him to be the one to go campaigning
I agree. He was the cautious, rational, wise one of the group. He didn't seem rash or reckless at all
It was the Hale, and the Pipe ...
It seems more like something Dwalin would do tbh
I always think that it wasn't just typical dwarven greed (though I'm sure that was a part of it). He'd already seen so many of his loved ones die, most especially Thorin - the one he'd survived Smaug's attack with years and years before, and then reclaimed the Lonely Mountain for....I always imagined that he couldn't have felt content or happy being in an Erebor that was not ruled by that dear friend and member of his kin. So it's easy to imagine that even as an old dwarf, he was restless and needed to just........move. Do something. One last hurrah for something that felt worthy.
Drums.. drums in the deep. There is no way out. They are coming
When the Fellowship was trying to decide which way to go, Gimli kept talking up the Mines of Moria and how well they would be treated there. How had 30 years passed and Gimli didn't know of the colony's destruction?
The rest of his kin didn't tell him to spare his feelings, its like when a kids pet goldfish dies and his parents dont tell him lol
@@justiceforfightinglion9337
Yes,
Balin isn't dead,
He's running free on a farm up state!
probably because Moria being overrun, and both gates being taken, meant that no one could send a message out to say 'help, we're being overrrun' and it wasn't uncommon for dwarves to not get involved with each other unless they are directly asked to. Erebor and the Iron Hills are a good bit away from Moria. so they probably followed a 'no news is good news' policy. they weren'tr calling for aid, any info they had previous was probably good, and no one would consider the idea that a hero of the battle of five armies, or one of the company that helped destroy Smaug would fail at reclaiming Moria from a bunch of rabble orcs.
yeah why didnt the dwarves text each other to keep in contact, very strange
@@evoke97 because there was no Wi-Fi 🤣
I remember reading The Hobbit as a child, and then again during an unpleasant time at the hospital a few years later. Of course I watched The Lord of the Rings trilogy (who hasn't) but I never read all of it.
At this point Tolkien has become part of our culture and even people, who have never read anything he wrote, or just casually read a little, like I did, have a general idea what a Hobbit is, that elves and dwarfes hate each other...Many ideas that pop up in pretty much every fantasy world today that originated from Tolkien.
I enjoyed the stories and I knew that he created a vast world, but only after watching your videos I found out how vast it actually is.
It's like every character that is mentioned in passing in any of his books has a complete backstory that could fill a book of it's own. I'm truly amazed at how many things I didn't know. And yet I never felt I was missing something, I still enjoyed the stories. It's more like "Here's all this backstory. You don't need it, but it's here if you want it."
I really enjoy listening to your videos and learning about all these things I never knew about. Your knowledge if the lore is amazing and the way you talk about it just leaves me wanting to know more.
Have you thought about (or maybe you've done it already) doing something like a timeline, a condensed overview of everything from the beginning of time?
So basically his time ended because he got killed by a random orc Arrow? lmfao pretty sad way to end if you look at how much battles he's participated in lol
Yeah, to be fair though, it was probably a kinder fate than what his people had to endure
@@GeekZoneMT if you look it that way he got lucky lol imagine getting eaten by ths watcher , great video though!
S*** happens.
@Joey BoXoRoX If you consider police "cowards" how about you get YOUR ass out in the streets and try to keep people safe
@Joey BoXoRoX shut up
Speak friend and enter. I love this riddle :)
There are a few different channels of creators of Middle Earth Lore, but you stand out above all the rest. Excellent narration and careful research goes into all of your work. Love it. Keep them coming.
Moria is such a fascinating place.
Indeed, one of the most fascinated areas in Middle-Earth!
I quite agree!!! :)
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 If Moria was a real place and was pretty much abandoned and wasn't infested with Orcs, I would set up camp there for a night or two and stay there. Moria is just a place that I want to go to and explore that particular room where Balins tomb lays
@@icantdenyreality3516 Same tbh. It would be a place that I would just love to see as well. It would be so awesome to gaze upon the great halls of the Dwarves!!! :)
@@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 out of all the significant places like Amon Hen, Weathertop, Minas Tirith and The Pelennor Fields, it's ALWAYS Moria that is the most mystical to me. Moria sounds like one of the most dangerous places in all of Middle Earth but the most mystical and beautifully dangerous.
I know there will not be many people who agree with me, but I would like Tolkien to have written more about the dwarves and less about the elves.
True
Definitely need more dwarve lore
What would have been better if they shown female dwarfs dwarfs Like Gemli , head butting his wife as he was leaving to go to Rivendale.
And I needdddd itttttt!!!!!!!
Elves are cool but Dwarves for the win !!!
The Fellowship discovering the royal throne hall where all the kings of Khazad'Dum once held audience, would have been a great scene to include- stepping into a dark and empty throne hall, now an empty shell that cast echoes of Khazad'Dum's faded glory. Imagine the awe and wonder that Gimli would have felt looking upon the very throne where Durin himself once sat.
Balin is my favorite dwarf, hands down.
Fili and Kili, gotta love them.
I think you are the only TH-camr that actually does all of Tolkien's works justice. It's obvious that you put a lot of time into making these videos and i always enjoy the end result! ;) Thankyou!
T.A. 2994, 11 November
A Dwarf (possibly Ori) writes in the Book of Mazarbul about Balin's death the previous day
It was super rash because they didn't have enough forces to repel the orcs, and the Orcs stole the treasure the dwarfs reclaimed and I say Gimli took durins axe with him to the black gate!
They had cleared Moria of the Orcs though; The Orcs that had attacked them were a different force
@@GeekZoneMT I know but it wasn't only Orcs but goblins also and you can see Gimlo with durins axe in the lord of the rings part 2!
With the misty mountains cleared after the battle of the five armys where this force did com from? Mordor?
Couldn't agree more Joleja:-)
@@jonahstirbis3361 I think orcs and goblins are different names for the same thing.
Gimli is royal he should be King of Moria
Actually Balin is of Royal blood aswell.. Gimli is Balins 1st little cousin, most of the company from The Hobbit titles are all of Durins Folk except for 3 dwarves. Fun little fact is Gimilis dad and uncle were part of Thorin Oakenshields company so you get to see them on screen aswell fighting alongside Bilbo just like Gimli did along side Frodo.
I prefer Bombur to be king although he's not royal
Just as soon as they kill over 1 million orcs and goblins
7:14 The expedition was 30 years before the Fellowship of the Ring? When the fellowship enters Moria Gimli thinks that Balin will still be there and the kingdom will be prospering. How did Gimli not hear anything about it for 30 years? Did no-one travel to Moria to check on them after decades of silence?
Also what was the dwarven plan for dealing with the Balrog?
Its sad when Family does not care ...
In the book, Gimli comes to Rivendell because he is worried about them.
Im agree with you.. Gimli thinks balin and the other dwarves alive. At moria.. Someaning its a few months ago when the downfakk of balin happened
@Coley Durham They named him Durin's Bane they left Moria cause of him in the first place I think they knew about him alright
Plan was probably just that it’ll work out somehow like with Smaug 😂. Might’ve felt it was a time of great fortune for them to have that work out that way so I could see them thinking it would just work out with taking back Moria.
I always wondered what happend in that expedition.
Poor Balin.
Oooo
Ori.
Forgot about him.
:)))))
Poor guys.
Two of them were, Ori and Oin :) Ori was the scribe
Man hearing the goblin drumms must have been horrible.
Like a nightmare.
I am getting the feels just by thinking it.
Brrrr
"Speak friend and enter" -OR NOT
Imagine how they must’ve felt when those drums started up for the first time, I can imagine Balin and the gang chilling out and enjoying the fact that they reclaimed Moria then suddenly they hear the drums getting closer and closer as they realise how truly fucked they are
In The Hobbit An Unexpected Journey Gandalf reads a book detailing what happen to the dwarves.
This story would make a great mini series.
I pretty much agree with your assessment of the unfolding of the events JRRT wrote about -[ but like to speculate that Durin's Axe was eventually found NEAR Balin's tomb but hidden separately for the purpose of future Dwarf generations recognizing the signs and rescuing it ]-
In fact I enjoy and esteem your channel above the many others pertaining to Middle Earth. I first read the Hobbit in 1966 at 8 years old and LOTR shortly after along with the Silmarillion and others as I found them over the years and still do pretty much annually.
I've written a few hundred pages of Fourth Age fan fiction but being the hopeless sixty-one year old nerd/geek I am wound up writing it in a versatile version of Quenya script we developed/learned ages ago so I have to translate back into English then type it before I can even consider formatting or copying (Ha!)
Anyway, thank you for posting these videos - they're concise and well conceived and presented.
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Cant say im a huge fan of the hobbit films but they did a great job making Balin a likable character, only makes it all the more sad when you know what happens after.
I still have a hard time understanding how they were able to battle orcs, establish a new kingdom and resume mining for five or so years without attracting the Balrog's attention. Perhaps it was bored after the last disaster and slipped into some kind of deep slumber or hibernation? Or was Moria so vast that one could wander around for ages before encountering Durin's Bane?
Maybe the Balrog was just watching and enjoying the show while eating some popcorns.🤔
I like to think that the dwarves reclaim their lost kingdom, probably the greatest of all the dwarven Halls.
Balin should have taken all of value from Moria and brought it to Erebor, that would have coaxed even more dwarves and then favoured heirlooms of their race would have been safe from desecration.
Khazad'Dum was eventually reclaimed, I think towards the very end of the Third Age or the beginning of the Fourth Age. It was Durin VII who led a migration back to Khazad'Dum where Durin's Folk finally reclaim their ancestral kingdom once more.
@@ATMAnubis usually, side quests become easier when you finish the main campaign lol
Just found your channel today. So happy I did. You've got a fan!
What a masterpiece, this made me start my own videos of Tolkien/Lotr.
keep up the good work!
LoreWise don’t give up! I see you haven’t uploaded in a while . Keep at it
What I love about Tolkien's approach to his mythology is how he leaves a lot of blank space, lots of gaps in the image if you will, such that one never gets a perfect account out of him and is able to fill the gaps themselves or left to wonder. What i love about your videos is that you meticulously piece together his works to create a more complete picture, and then offer us fills for those gaps yourself.
Geekzone posts *drops everything to watch*
Drops phone, can't watch video 😢
Good thing I watched it on my iPad :)
I wish they had hired Peter Dinklage for the "Hobbit" trilogy. I think he would have made a great contribution. I think it was rash of the dwarves to try to return with so few. Balin wasn't one of the more martial dwarves of "Thorin's Company." I don't see why he apparently wasn't satisfied with Erebor returned. That was a huge victory for his people and he was not young when they reclaimed it. Being of a more peaceful nature, I don't see why he would want to go on a personal mission that even Dain Ironfoot was doubtful could be achieved. ****On a side not, it states very clearly in "The Hobbit" that the River Running issued forth from the front gate of the Lonely Mountain. "The River Running was a 600-Númenórean miles long river that poured out of the Front Gate of the Lonely Mountain, descended over two falls and swirled around Dale." I don't know why Peter Jackson decided to change that. There was no need to change it and I have always been bothered by that change since I
Yeah I wish they had kept the River in it :( Thanks Lilith, glad you enjoy my videos :)
Game of thrones fan? Why Peter Dinklage just because he is real dwarf... like maybe he didn't wanna participate or he wasn't the right person for the movies..
@@rafilourenco Yes, I love the GoT series, but the books more. I think that Dinklage might not have fit the exact profile of one of Tolkien's 13, but then again, Jackson made several of them up and just stuck the book name on them so who knows?
maybe he was always driven by challenges, or he didn't enjoy Ironfoot's leadership
@@phoule76 That's a good possibility actually! Balin isn't as old as I previously thought at the time of the retaking of Erebor. He was 7 at the time Smaug moved in (2770) and 178 at the retaking of Lonely Mountain in 2941. That is middle age for dwarves since they can reach 250. He left for Moria in 2989 at the age of 226 (kind of old for questing) and so he lived there 48yrs under Dain's rule. I just wonder what the catalyst for leaving was.
Hi! :) I recently found your channel, I absolutely love your videos on LOTR lore! I really love the detail you go into, and how you differentiate between fact and opinion so the viewer can make up their own mind rather than presenting it as the only truth. You do such a good job of explaining with just the right amount of detail and background knowledge for each video! :) Well done!
A great video again. The dwarfs are proud beings; sometimes too proud. I'm convinced that they couldn't find another ending.
Died with all their wealth, like Erebor after Smaug's victory. Of course, you can't take it with you.
@@Paulafan5 That's it. Spoken as an elb.
Brilliant video! I never realised Balin's expedition was actually successful.
Quick question - do you know where the dwarves got food from? You can't grow food in the dark (except mushrooms) so presumably they must have had cartloads of food going in from nearby farms.
If the order for more food suddenly stopped, I would have thought that would be a clear indication they had all died.
Mae govannen mellon, are you planning to make a video on the most recent news about the Amazon series? You probably don't remember, but in your video about the last alliance I commented that imo the end of the second age was the best time to place a series, so I am looking forward for it
Hey man, yeah I'm gonna try and record it tonight and publish it tomorrow or on Tuesday :)
It is so interesting how the dwarves have some of their stories almost completely removed from the other Free Peoples. It may be that this is their fate, since the beginning. Maybe if all the races had united they would have achieved much higher and lasted longer, without "failing" in the end
I think as as race, they were just more likely to stick together. Also their ideal homes in the Mountains probably appeal much to other races :)
@@GeekZoneMT what game is that gameplay footage from?
As always, great education on topic. As I've said before, it's been ages since I read the books and I have only read bits and pieces of ancillary texts. It wouldn't do me any good to try to find this information through personal study so I am more than grateful for you and others who have made this so easy to find, understand, and therefore enjoy the history as a whole.
i think that the stolen/ plundered gold was taken to Sauron so as to help him coax armies of men to fight for him especially the mercenaries who came from the seas.
also i have a question. what race is sauron ? i mean like how Azog was an orc, durin was a dwarf, finrod was an elf, etc
Sauron is a Maiar spirit (Just like Gandalf though a more powerful one), and these were Angelic like beings that served the Valar :)
There is no evidence really in any of Tolkien's writings (that I'm aware of) that Melkor or Sauron was concerned with using gold or any other type of transferable wealth to assist in the control of men. Sauron did not need to bribe men; he was a master of controlling the minds of men from afar, of poisoning the minds of leaders, and spreading the worship of Melkor and himself as religion capable of controlling men in a far more reliable way.
@@Dadecorban There is the general motive in all of Tolkien's writing, that gold or riches in general corrupt.
Although it is not explicitly stated, we can assume that Sauron used gold as a mean to corrupt.
After all how do you think came control the minds of men in the first place? The catalyst was man's lust for power. Gold can buy power. It can decide the fate of war and turn family against each other.
@@sualtam9509 Yes, there is that underlying concept of riches corrupting. Melkor exploits it directly by creating a race giant serpents that like nothing more in life than finding the stores of human wealth (the centers of dwarven society primarily, but also Elves in the first age) and sitting on them forever. It's a great way to control such a powerful creature for your own ends indirectly. Give it a life cycle that coincides with your intent.
Sauron has the ability to project his will across large distances and impose that will on the weak minded (men) or when lacks a physical body, he can move through a land at will and set his magic and malice upon it towards that same end. He does not require gold to do this. That being said, just because Tolkien never once writes a single line about Sauron (or Melkor) directing looted gold or other wealth (save for rings of power or other magical heirlooms) to be returned to Mordor let alone mentioning its intended use or sending his agents across Middle Earth to seize or negotiate for hoarded dragon wealth, or giving explicit orders that the wealth of sacked cities to be sent back to him doesn't mean that wasn't the case (or that I haven't missed a line somewhere)
However it does indicate that it wasn't a very high priority for Sauron as we much evidence for other activities that we know were high priority. (ring making, ring retrieval, corrupting the Numenorians without a single coin exchanged)
Additionally there is no mention of Mordor being a natural source of gold nor Sauron's minions conducting rare metal mining. He doesn't have a natural source of it, and his kingdom has been destroyed several times and likely looted each time; thus when he returns during the third age it's likely his gold supply is down to 0 anyway and not a significant factor. Additionally Moria hasn't even been effectively looted as Balin's company are finding valuable shit laying around (somehow). It's likely the Mercenaries from Umbar were operating on the implied promise of profit as they were tasked with raiding and harrying the coast of Gondor (which is what they are inclined to do anyway, and didn't need to be directly paid to do it)
Sauron also had a penchant for corrupting leaders of men (not with gold) with promises, deceit, Trojan gifts (rings), and madness. It's these leaders of men in the east that already have the wealth in the east in the first place. Gold may well be one of their means for maintaining power, providing supplies for Sauron, and projecting their own military power, but it didn't require Sauron making a single currency transaction. Additionally, the promise of wealth from sacked cities was a medieval standard and probably another feature of the feudal/tribal contract that motivated men in the east to go west and fight.
In summary, there's zero evidence for Sauron giving a single gold coin to anyone or requesting that a single gold coin be taken to Mordor. It may have happened, but was not required and not plentifully available to him.
@@Dadecorban Yes, Sauron was a Spiritual entity ... Gold and riches where a mean to an end... never the end itself!
Army of the Dead is the perfect army to clean up Moria, no orcs will dare to take Moria back again....
Damn right
One balrog would do the trick.
This brings new meaning to Gimli asking Aragorn not to release them because they could be useful elsewhere.
Need to be a movie about this. I can imagine it already and it's cool as hell
Poor Balin after regaining erebor he thought he they could do it again but in moria this time. His error is obvious he didn't took a wizzard and a hobbit with him.
Great video the story of the dwarvs trying to reconquer moria was allways one of my favourit parts of the first book.
It is one of the storylines that i wish would be made in to a series. Well i won't complain because it looks like we get a series about the second age maybe with numenor i'd love to see that too!
Still not sure why the entire dwarf group left didn't try again with the Watcher gate and force their way out. Some may have made it.
Probably just fear, the orcs are a threat they can actually fight and kill (at least single ones) but the watcher, the only thing you see is the tentacles (in the books).
If memory serves me right the lake was also much bigger and higher at the time, the fellowship had luck it was at a low at the time they came but i am not sure.
@@marckrieger3277 you are right about the lake.
Great vid, enjoy hearing the follow up stories to certain characters Balin was 1 of my favourite in the hobbit
I really like the creepy vibe to this video and subject. It brings the story to life and almost makes it seem unnervingly real.
No way would I enter Moria! I'd stay in the Shire haha!
It's sad what happened to balin he was my favorite character I still cant belive he died offscreen to same with ori and oin.
I love Tolkien stories, because of that I love your videos on the Lore!
Looking forward to watching this later on the TV
Tell me how it goes! :)
As usual I enjoyed it!
Why do those video game structures look like mods for Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion?
_Rarted _ , most of the game footage is from Lotro.
Because the game it's from is probably as old as oblivion
possibly the same game engine ...
Wow ! I was just thinking the same thing. And my first thought was, this look like The Elder Scrolls.
Mellon...
Also I like your content. There’s so much stuff I want to know about in Middle-Earth. And your channel delivers all the information I need very well. Looking forward till the next video.
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Great video! Yes it was rash, they needed a wizard and an army of elves!
Marty Balin? wow, I haven't heard anything 'bout him in, hell, 35+ years
Was waiting on this all weekend!!
Hope it didn't disappoint ;)
Never your videos are great!
Just discovered this channel wow
Definitely this reaffirms that Moría would be one of the places of middle earth l'd never visit (at least not alone)
only in the 4th age as a Tourist ^^ ...
Great detail/atmosphere in your video
I'm not sure there is enough info, but could you do videos on rock giants, werewolf's, and vampires of middle earth? thank you
Always great information! Nicely done
Excellent. I wish there was a whole live-action series about this.
The battles between the Orcs and Dwarves are so intriguing, thnx.
I can see why wise old Baking would think the time was right for the reclaiming of Moria. The dragon in the east was slain. The cruelest orc chief as well with most of middle earths orcs. The white council was said to have defeated Sauron. He then waited some years to gather men and power. It seemed stood plan, but as you said it was doomed from the begging, as non Dwarvish power could ever defeat alone the balrog. The dwarves just didn't know what they were into, and there wasn't any clue att all. One of the saddest stories of Middle earth....
Could you please make a video on Castamir and his bloodline, the Kings Men/Black Numenoreans seems very interesting after your previous video. As always, great video!
Yeah for sure. I'll probably cover Castamir's story when I discuss the Gondorian Civil War. The Black Numenoreans will have their own video :)
GeekZone thank uuu
Love the videos dude keep at it
Love your speculation. Great works.
i really want to see it becomes an actual movie one day ! !
I would really love to see a movie about this story or maybe even In the show!!
This video combines my appreciation of Skyrim music with my appreciation of LOTR lore.
These are great to listen to while I go to sleep like I’m listening to a audio book 😂
as always I greatly enjoyed another well put together post
Awesome video and I love the game footage from Lotro ❤. Although if you've ever played Lotro you know how miserable Moria is to get through lol.
Always the most enjoyable videos!
Nice video as always. I would like to see more of the northernmost parts of middle earth. Carn dum, forochel, and gundabad and angmar in general and how legolas’ mother died. Also Eriador such parts as hollin and lindon.
I'm addicted to your videos. Will we see anymore soon? I would love to know about Arwen and Aragorn and maybe their child.
Great Wideo geek, what do you Think would happen if Balins expidition would have succeded?
Well if they managed to deal with the Balrog somehow, I imagine they'd have sent reinforcements to Erebor when it was besieged during the War of the Ring. Gandalf also probably would never become 'the White', so I guess it's for the best that they failed!
@@GeekZoneMT The Balrogs are corrupted Maiar spirits.
I don't think anyone apart from the wizards can defeat them
@@thethunderchieftain5464 maybe the can throw a giant rock on it. Somehow, you know. First age dwarves had to face some damn dragons. Maybe with some appropriate gear and people they could did the same?
@@samwrai Doubtful...Balrogs are pure fire and darkness.
Gandalf had to literally fight it to the death to kill it.
@@thethunderchieftain5464 just goes to show ya,Don't fuck with the old man in the group,Otherwise you will end up being burned
5:17 “the Dwarks were overwhelmed”
lol dwarks 🤣
It's pretty ironic that the dwarves gain supeficial confidence from the slaying of Smaug by Bard, a human and at the cost of causing countless death of innocent lives especially the residents of Lake Town. There is nothing to gain by causing misery to others by letting a beast run amok and gaining credits on the slain beast by a human. Of all dwarf leaders, I thought Balin was the wiser than Thorin and Dain but like in every kingdoms, like kings, like lords. At least, dwarves of Warhammer had more honour and valor than the ones in LOTR.
I did not expect them to be fearful
Moria aka The Ending of every Dwarf Fortress game ever... minus the Were Zebras and Elephants.
So sad seeing that scene of finding Balin's tomb in Moria 😭
Was indeed to soon. What they could possible achieve was be there for shortly period instead of try to establish Moria again. The dwarves didn't had the numbers or a security to stay there. That time was only a briefly pause between storms.
But I didn't know Balin was killed by an orc arrow, instead of the Balrog itself. A lame death. =[
Moria....one of the most faschinating places of middle earth. Exellent video as usual...it tells what we know. The questions i always asked me have been what kind of advice Dain gave to stop the expidition...i mean he basicly knew of the balrog...wouldnt he have told them...and if he did why did they go anyway?...Also its interesting to specualte if the orcs that came were called upon by the balrog or sent by Sauron...or orcs with their own agenda....can wonder if the orcs had some stronghold close by moria...the goblingate seems to far to frequently send down orcs to moria.
Thanks for information about Balin and moria
im so sad now i loved the moria scene in the lord of the rings movies when i was a kid but i didnt know who the dwarves were that died there yet
Ok imma just come out and say it
Ori was a cinnamon roll. WHO COULD FRIGGIN KILL HIM???
Balin's company in Moria has always been one of my favourite parts of Tolkein's canon
The efforts of the expedition, its early success, and ultimate defeat, have been a fascination of mine since I read this decades ago
It was rash to try to retake Moria at that time, but it seems to have always been in the Dwarven minds to recover lost realms - their love of history and their ancestors create a drive for this and I've always believed that Balin (or another Dwarf) would be obliged to recover the mines (and dwarven treasure) as soon as they could
Great update and love these on a Sunday night
We all have a soul and a burden. You can either live your life like Golem hanging in the shadows staying in a cave, rotting.....or live like Aragorn out in the range, in the light carrying out a greater purpose.
Just found your channel and really enjoy your videos. So informative, plan to watch all of them. Thank you....tread careful, they got a cave troll.
The thing is there are still lots of living Dwarves up North. They could still do spin off of 2nd Expedition after LoTR or use as much source material for a tragic mini seriesof the Failed Expedition with Ori/Balin.
You know it's an epic war when you have to set up a settlement in the middle of it. Not a base, a settlement....damn.
hello from Cyprus!! great channel and great work!!!!!!!
Its wierd how like thousands of dwarfs settle in moria to live in and the balrog doesnt give a single crap about that but when the fellowship of the ring enters he instantly spawns xD
Also think it was probably doomed to fail, but the term "drums in the deep" is it possible that the Goblin Orc's, might have connected passages, from the Misty mountains to the North and South, to the Mora Hall system?
Whenever you put up a new video I always share it with my friends.
Hey Karl,
- Frist of all thanks for makeing this 👍😉 always love your Lore explaining and entertainment from Lord of the Rings 😁🐉
- I understand why Balin and his fellow dwarves after reconquer Erobor, that they also wanted
Moria. (Rush decision or not I still understand it)
- Moria was once there home... (All the dwarves we see from Hobbit had lost there home until the day of the battle of the Five Armies.)
- Once home, country or kingdom it's a very big part of it's inhabitants identities. Once you will lose with out. I and think maney people can associate or relate to this. Example: ( After most of Europe had been conquered by the German in World war 2.)