Hey this is more about your last video but one players said """We have that one datamined NPC talking about "Lumen, Ordos, Mortis vs. Vitae, Tumult, Umbra" (obviously Light, Order, Death vs. Life, Chaos, Void). So, do we think there are five other Zereth's? Do they each have a Sepulcher or the equivalent? Seems a little strange that there would be six "Heart(s) of Eternity". Maybe there are six Zereths, but one Sepulcher? (With all Zereths connecting to the one same Sepulcher) Or is there some weird reason death is special?"""
The light sees and gose for only 1 path, in other words they follow "THE" path. While the void considers ALL paths, ALL choices as possibilities. So will be intressting to see how this unfolds :D
The great cosmological forces are utterly focused on their own role in the order of things, they are primal powers I think, and above the concept of good and evil, all that matters is that their followers adhere to their cosmic narrative.
It's the whole reason why you need ALL of them in BALANCE. If Life or Light or Order would be 'good' = the best way for everyone, than you could just go with (one of) them and be done with it. That's before your realize that life without death is cancer, order without chaos is bland, tyrannic stillstand and "one single truth" (= light?) is just the canceling of free will.
I've said from the beginning, when Anduin was taken, that Turalyon was going to be a problem. His fanny's quite happy on that throne, he believes he's in the right place. He's not going to want to hand that throne, with the power to use the Alliance, to "the kid" when Anduin gets back. I don't have a bead on Callia right now, you could be right there. But, don't let his brown eyes fool you, Turalyon didn't give up that light, it just was hidden. It's interesting that you've put together that Anduin abandoned the light, I would have to see more on that and his reaction. So far it's a good PTSD storyline, I recognize it in my own brother. I don't know if he "can't" use the light or "won't" use it. Gonna be interesting, no lie.
Personally, I love this theory. The naaru have always freaked me out and the Scarlets have been showing us what happens when you take Light loving too far for years now. "Queen" Calia is sus as hell.
The light/void crystal falling from the sky sounds suspiciously like the orcish account of Oshu'gun's arrival onto Draenor, this event was of course depicting the arrival of the Draenei when their Naaru ship crashed into Nagrand; this event is what would introduce Shamanism to the orcs via the spirits of their departed ancestors; an interesting parallel to how this particular crystal introduced the human faith in the Light.
@justinb7494 And by the humans as well or the world was almost wiped out by Legion because of night elf (or highborn as they were called, but that was just a title of a rank back then, not a different race) mages, but he doesn't say this about them. He seems biased when it comes to judgement, which is never a good sign.
@@Ilive_420 Agreed, my friends and I even have a running joke about him because of his first appearance in Legion. This is because he appears, after you have nearly completely killed the demon you are fighting and seems to act the hero of “hah! I have arrived fear not!” And if you view him as the Zac Brannigan of WoW he looses all credibility and just becomes a meme.
Calia is not ruling the Forsaken, she's part of the Desolate Council. The other members of the Council have just as much power in order to check hers so that she can't lead us Forsaken down a path that would be in our best interest to avoid.
@@talak3544 I don't think you truly grasp how terrible it was for the Worgen to lose Gilneas. Allow me to set the stage: Worgen, formerly regular humans, were shut inside their kingdom as a way to avoid the Scourge right outside their doorstep so there is the fear of the Scourge possibly breaking down the wall and taking their lands while enslaving them, skip forward after the Scourge were stopped and now they have the Forsaken leading the charge for the Horde to steal Gilneas away from the Alliance, and just like their allies in Lordaeron who the people of Gilneas got to watch die and be turned into the enemies many had to face in Icecrown, and now they are being hunted within their homelands and being ran out till only a small portion managed to escape thanks to the Kaldorei coming in to save them. That didn't happen long ago. No matter how you look at it, the Forsaken/Lightforged Undead would never manage to join the ranks of the Alliance because not only do you have the long bitter story of Gilneas loathing the Forsaken but now you have the Forsaken being the ones who once again lead the charge to destroy the home of the Kaldorei and let's not forget the humans still living with many of them being refugees from said old Lordearon so now you have basically a third of the original Alliance races who are high opposed to the Forsaken/Undead joining the ranks of the Alliance. Let's not forget the Wrathgate too where a splinter faction of the Forsaken killed Horde and Alliance which firmly cemented their place as being one of the most hated races in the Lore.
Calia may only be a member of a council but there has been some history of great forces trying to manipulate the mortal races. Think Katrana Prestor hiding amongst the human royals to influence Varian.
at this point they should simply make all races neutral and make them choose between a light faction and a void faction since the ally and horde stuff doesnt even make sense anymore after shadowlands, as for me ill forever stand with the light!
It's a storyline they just started scratching. Chris Metzen left in 2016, the same year legion launched. I'm sure this story was part of his idea. Now he's back the storylines from Legion seem like they'll be addressed. Sword, Light & shadow, Titans.
i love how you delusional metzen simps think your precious boomer has ANY idea how to write anything good at all that doesn't devolve into >big bad evil appears >you have to work together now despite all the horrible shit a certain faction has done >make sure to forgive them as well no matter how heinous the things they did were TAKE ME DOWN TO RETCON CITY WHERE THINGS MAKE NO SENSE AND THE STORY IS SHITTY
King Garithos saw this in a vision in an Alternate Universe, hence he picks up the Helm of Domination so humanity wouldn't be slaves to either the Light or Void.
I suppose if there's a Hidden Domination Sleeper Spell ready to flip on a switch, sure, but at times, it's not always because of a Domination like effects. Like the Old God's, it's about Purity of Conviction to Believe. The Void Rely on Half Truths and Madness to control people to obey them. Letting Insanity Eraise Reason. As for the Light, they also rely on Purity of Purpose. As for Turalyon, he may betray Azeroth to the Light simply because he can believe it's in better hands in the Lights Grip vs. the Titans Void or Free wills.
I think Anduin seeing the similarities between domination magic and the light and struggling with that would be such a cool thing to explore, but i doubt the writers would be able to handle that plot line well.
Light isn't necessarily good and darkness isn't necessarily evil. It's actions that matter... So far it seems that the Light does things for the 'greater good' without knowing that the saying 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' exists. I'd really like to see if the void aka 'darkness' is shown that it's the one that has an abundance of empathy... That would be interesting.
I'm telling you now, War Within will deal with the Evil Titan light vs True Light that the Arathi use. We will have to face Y'Rel but in her turf. We will travel to Faralon on Draenor for a patch zone at some point during the World Soul Saga
The thing with Turalyon is I don't think he's Lightforged anymore?!? It was a key thing that many seem to be forgetting when they talk about this... his eyes!!! When Illidian killed Xe're you saw his eyes go from "golden" back to a regular "brown". Now that being said since both he and Calia were "lightforged" they still might have a link to the Naaru. I think the light threat is going to come from Yrel and the zealots of Draenor. I think the Dark Portal will open again but not by Fel this time but with shining light. She'll come through with all her forces of converted Draenei, Orcs, Ogron and such. I could see her coming through with giant crystal fortresses both on the ground and sky that start to "seed" Eastern Kingdom with the purple crystals that we know they can use to change the world around them. (that quest in SMV in WoD showed that with the crystal glitching and driving the creatures insane, this time they'll have all that time they've been away to perfect it). That will get us a updated lower eastern kingdom to go with the updates of northern eastern kingdom that we get in Midnight. I think we'll come back from whatever goes on in Northrend in The Last Titan hoping to lick our wounds and see the lower eastern kingdom in chaos. Ironforge will be the new updated hub there as they go deep underground to protect us from the fortresses.
Not going to lie, but despite everything, the light seems to be allways a better choice to pick. It literally helped most of the time the majority of its users. The cleansing of the sunwell, healing, ressurection, etc... yes, it might be a little demanding but in comparisom to the other cosm. forces, they do the same or worse.
oh... the implications of that sunwell >_> it empowers the blood elves and as a result many of them have their eyes changed to yellow >_> >_> >_> >_> Liadrin and Lor'themar Idk if they just never updated Rommath but his eyes remain green same with Haldron
After the shift in Blizzard from light = good, void = bad, we have a new cosmic paradigm they have been showing us slowly but steadily. Until the recovery of Undercity, we thought only death magic could create undead, now we know any kind of magic can do it (maybe with the exception of life/nature magic). Each cosmological force has its own kind of magic (or power, if you prefer it that way) with which they are in fight between them, and they can have an influence towards what kind of actions their users do, but that does not mean their users are 'forced' into do that kind of actions. See the Illidari and fel magic, as an example, they might be more aggressive and have a greater tendency to be controlled by the fel forces, but that does not mean they are naturally 'evil' now. Same with the light, and I think Anduin will be a pivotal point to show us this, he has access to the light, he simply need to realize he can do his own will, not the will of the light, when using it to do what we call either 'evil' or 'good' things with it.
I personally hope that the light turns their followers "evil" and thats when we see illidan return to fight off another cosmic force. (Yes i am an Illidan fanboy)
He lost light because he lost confidence in himself, that's how light work, if you don't have conviction in yourself, light will not come for you, it has nothing to do with anduin belive Light is bad 😅
yeah he's got some PTSD to make recover from and inner demons to peace with. It looks like the beginning of an actually well written story arc based on an ACTUAL real world issue, Trauma.
I really just want the world soul sage to focus on Iridikron, the Titans, and Xalatath. I kind of want the Void vs Light thing to play out after as like a 14.0 or something.
yeah, just as something to look forward too, maybe set up the match date in the midnight ending and have Calia and Turalyon break free from some kind of Light Possession
Are you suggesting that when the naru which created Calia goes dark, she will turn shadow bad? The Drainei girl was a minor character that they turned on a dime for no reason. Calia is a thought out intention by Blizzard which they are not likely going to throw away by making her a pawn. That's why I think they are going to make up a reason why she goes bad, but a reason we can fix, like turning naru from shadow back into light.
the graph of all wow cosmic powers (semi-)clearly indicates that none of them are pure good or evil, just a bunch of siblings forced to sleep on the same bed eternally pulling the ever so small blanket of balance towards themselves while we ironically are the parents who know for sure that there is a position where everyone is covered so its up to us to make the shithead kids to finally sleep
If they go down the light is evil route they could also go down the thrall is taking a dump and that destroyed Azeroth route. If you set the rules for your universe and setting especially a rule that has been part of the franchise since it beginnings and you change that you get disneys Star Wars. Evil light my ass
It's not really crazy, it shows that it's not as black and white as *certain* people even irl think lol. The fact that it seems like such a "crazy" concept proves those people right.
I just realized how dumb it was for a PRIEST to be upset that they are the "vessel for cosmological forces." Did you even READ what you were applying for?
naaru personally resurrected Calia but couldn't do that same feat with the fall argent soldier in Northrend? huh. Seems the Naaru are pretty sexist and misandry.
WoW Ended on Legion, and that's a fact Modern WoW is just becoming a propaganda against Christianity now just because Orthodox Christianity is growing .
Lets be honest, we all knew since WOD Turalyon would be villain sooner or later. This dude is embodiment of brainwashed Light Fanatic that is enchanted by Light energy. The guy was fighting for the Light for thousands of years across the galaxy against the Burning Legion , before Legion arrived to Azeroth. Turalyon has lived this long because Xe'ra blessed him and, in her words, he "has crossed the boundaries of mortality
That he was shocked that Illidan refused the naru was an obvious indicator that he's chugged the Light flavor aid plenty. And as I still don't trust Lothraxian, I'm iffy about those who do trust him.
@@MSinistrari Literally no one trust that guy🤣, Lothraxian might play big role leading Dreadlords and Denathrius back into the story and im 100% up for it to see it unfold. Worldsoul saga already has big stakes: Xalatath, Iridikron. Void, Light, Titans and possibly Death Pantheon so we all know what that means.
@@UncrownedKingDante If Lothraxian doesn't play a significant role in that, I will eat my work lanyard. He's nathrezim, a species that's probably the top of ability when it comes to deception and manipulation. To something like the Light and how so full of hubris that it's the only right way is practically wearing a sign saying 'we can't imagine anyone not falling in line with us because we're AWESOME' which opens them up to say the right buzzwords and they're ripe for an internal backstab.
@@MSinistrari for sure though.. even though i expect nathrezim to be big bads after world soul saga. Revealing they have influence everywhere and Denathrius returns as true master of Burning Legion. Only thing questionable is what happens to sargeras now since he might be cleansed from fel. Im pretty much sure Sargeras is THE Last Titan.
So much desperate speculation and headcanon from fans who hate the Light and Turalyon. Did you forget that Turalyon disagreed with Xe'ra over Alleria? Or that as the story progressed Turalyon has moved further away from fanaticism, not towards it? Anduin's crisis of faith is like Thrall's losing the elements - though it's because of Anduin's experience at the Jailer's hands. This is a problem in modern writing, to sum it up; ""One thing that struck me right off the bat is how rare it is in a movie a person who dedicated their life to religion is depicted three-dimensionally. Fully, richly, they're not dodo-brained. I mean, they're usually either played comic or malevolent." Ethan Hawke
I'm really tired of bad guys redeeming themselves and good guys turning evil or being evil after all. It's been done to the death in movies and games and it's just lazy writing at this point. The whole 'subverting expectations' is not the flex writers seem to think it is. We've all seen it many, many times before, none of us will be shocked when it happens and it's just a cheap way of stirring things up when they've inevitably written themselves into a corner. They can't seem to write proper heroes anymore, or good villains for that matter, resulting in ridiculous baddies like the Jailer. The best, most remembered movies and games aren't the ones with the biggest plot twists, but the ones with the best stories and characters.
Calia is a priest she even made it into the priest hall in Legion! She also does not lead the forsaken but just one voice of reason for the undead, as they are ruled by a counsel.
I think if any of this is to happen- Turalyon would be our more dangerous light fanatic, while Calia would hold a resistance, she'd still be a bit zealous, but I think Turalyon would be more violent and dangerous.
WoW really starts to turn stupid. I really dislike this new orientation where Evil becomes Good, Good becomes Evil, Male characters become Females, Females become Males, Horde becomes Alliance, Alliance becomes Horde. Classes/races combos also start to disappear. Faction capitals too. Blizzard is abandoning the Warcraft lore, to make a "game" which would be the actual society reflect, not a medieval fantastic universe anymore... Rivality and wars are disappearing, tragical aspect too, and this universe will become a naive gaming field for children, with puppets and toys collectibles. Nothing in common with the Vanilla/BC/WOTLK era anymore. A day in the past, you had to kill the Lich King and save the world in the name of the Light. Now in DF you have to help two gay craftsmen to start a relationship... That's the new face of World of Warcraft...
I hope they dont do a light is evil trope. Write something original not another 'wait are we the baddies?' plot. I don't mind a grey area but the whole 'the good guys are now evil' is just as tired as the ' evil character is redeemed' bs'. No one would want a redeemed Hitler arc, that's why no one wanted Sylvanas redemption arc after her genocide of Night elves. I personally hated what they did with Yrel.
Yeah I could see something like this happening. Blizzard have become such hacks at story telling that them doing a "BuH dA lIGhT iZ aChUuUuUlY bAd" story line makes 100% sense.
They literally enslaved the orcs on alternate Draenor as well as the other races. It isn't a question of whethere they can be evil but whether they will be evil on Azeroth.
@@DoronsmoviesBig +, non of cosmic forces might be evil or good, they have their motives and goals but in our eyes they want to claim OUR world from us (inhabitants of Azeroth). Light is a cosmic force like any other, with Void together they make Ying and Yang. A balance within a universe. Life is different theory apart of Light.
@@Doronsmovies I sincerely hope that's not THE light. It just feels wrong to go against a force that has been good since the start. Why does it need to be evil? Why do we must fight it? It feels forced in a way. One thing is that it happened on Alternate Draenor, but to me that hit more because it kind of felt to me like a alternate version of the Horde. In the main U, the orcs enslave the Draenei. I really think Yrel turning "evil" as a zealot shouldnt have anything to do with the lights allignment. Besides, in the time when the light vs void happens, who do you think we'll side with? Also, if Turalyon or Calia are evil blind light zealots, why didn't they allign with The Scarlet Crusade in Gilneas? The Scarlet Crusade is so far the only zealots on Azeroth, unless the Arathi also are evil in the War Within
You can imagine it as Catholic Church purist in the medieval ages. The ONE AND ONLY way is the light or die. Any inbalanced force in abundance will spread and consume all remaining that way. Also imagine life without death counterbalancing. There would be no space left - it is not inherently evil, but consuming.
@@ARJAY_NO i think you missed on one big point man. Most ordered cosmic force by the Titans out of all cosmic forces is THE LIGHT, Now that we know stuff or 2 about the titans think about it twice.
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Hey this is more about your last video but one players said """We have that one datamined NPC talking about "Lumen, Ordos, Mortis vs. Vitae, Tumult, Umbra" (obviously Light, Order, Death vs. Life, Chaos, Void).
So, do we think there are five other Zereth's? Do they each have a Sepulcher or the equivalent? Seems a little strange that there would be six "Heart(s) of Eternity".
Maybe there are six Zereths, but one Sepulcher? (With all Zereths connecting to the one same Sepulcher)
Or is there some weird reason death is special?"""
The light sees and gose for only 1 path, in other words they follow "THE" path. While the void considers ALL paths, ALL choices as possibilities. So will be intressting to see how this unfolds :D
The same person who said that also said that the Void is just as blind.
The great cosmological forces are utterly focused on their own role in the order of things, they are primal powers I think, and above the concept of good and evil, all that matters is that their followers adhere to their cosmic narrative.
It's the whole reason why you need ALL of them in BALANCE.
If Life or Light or Order would be 'good' = the best way for everyone, than you could just go with (one of) them and be done with it.
That's before your realize that life without death is cancer, order without chaos is bland, tyrannic stillstand and "one single truth" (= light?) is just the canceling of free will.
I've said from the beginning, when Anduin was taken, that Turalyon was going to be a problem. His fanny's quite happy on that throne, he believes he's in the right place. He's not going to want to hand that throne, with the power to use the Alliance, to "the kid" when Anduin gets back. I don't have a bead on Callia right now, you could be right there. But, don't let his brown eyes fool you, Turalyon didn't give up that light, it just was hidden.
It's interesting that you've put together that Anduin abandoned the light, I would have to see more on that and his reaction. So far it's a good PTSD storyline, I recognize it in my own brother. I don't know if he "can't" use the light or "won't" use it. Gonna be interesting, no lie.
Personally, I love this theory. The naaru have always freaked me out and the Scarlets have been showing us what happens when you take Light loving too far for years now. "Queen" Calia is sus as hell.
The light/void crystal falling from the sky sounds suspiciously like the orcish account of Oshu'gun's arrival onto Draenor, this event was of course depicting the arrival of the Draenei when their Naaru ship crashed into Nagrand; this event is what would introduce Shamanism to the orcs via the spirits of their departed ancestors; an interesting parallel to how this particular crystal introduced the human faith in the Light.
"No indication that Turalyon is bad" meanwhile him telling Mathias Shaw to keep an eye on the dragons and kill them if he has to xD
Aye something that was a long time ago and a black dragon that was known for its corruption.
I dislike Turalyon and have since he returned though.
@justinb7494 And by the humans as well or the world was almost wiped out by Legion because of night elf (or highborn as they were called, but that was just a title of a rank back then, not a different race) mages, but he doesn't say this about them.
He seems biased when it comes to judgement, which is never a good sign.
@@ammeg88 Yep, he seems very "holier than thou" and hypocritical, not a good sign of a mentally strong leader
@@Ilive_420 all Alliance races are biased when it comes to judgement. It's what the Alliance is - a group of close minded fascists.
@@Ilive_420 Agreed, my friends and I even have a running joke about him because of his first appearance in Legion. This is because he appears, after you have nearly completely killed the demon you are fighting and seems to act the hero of “hah! I have arrived fear not!” And if you view him as the Zac Brannigan of WoW he looses all credibility and just becomes a meme.
This may even conclude what Draenor Cho’Gall learned from Ku’ree
“We’re writing a book” - Gall
Calia is not ruling the Forsaken, she's part of the Desolate Council. The other members of the Council have just as much power in order to check hers so that she can't lead us Forsaken down a path that would be in our best interest to avoid.
"My Queen."
The same with I thought Andyin didn’t lose the light, but he’s afraid to call on it and that it wouldn’t answer
@@talak3544the whole reason undead are horde is because the alliance rejected them
@@talak3544 I don't think you truly grasp how terrible it was for the Worgen to lose Gilneas. Allow me to set the stage: Worgen, formerly regular humans, were shut inside their kingdom as a way to avoid the Scourge right outside their doorstep so there is the fear of the Scourge possibly breaking down the wall and taking their lands while enslaving them, skip forward after the Scourge were stopped and now they have the Forsaken leading the charge for the Horde to steal Gilneas away from the Alliance, and just like their allies in Lordaeron who the people of Gilneas got to watch die and be turned into the enemies many had to face in Icecrown, and now they are being hunted within their homelands and being ran out till only a small portion managed to escape thanks to the Kaldorei coming in to save them. That didn't happen long ago. No matter how you look at it, the Forsaken/Lightforged Undead would never manage to join the ranks of the Alliance because not only do you have the long bitter story of Gilneas loathing the Forsaken but now you have the Forsaken being the ones who once again lead the charge to destroy the home of the Kaldorei and let's not forget the humans still living with many of them being refugees from said old Lordearon so now you have basically a third of the original Alliance races who are high opposed to the Forsaken/Undead joining the ranks of the Alliance. Let's not forget the Wrathgate too where a splinter faction of the Forsaken killed Horde and Alliance which firmly cemented their place as being one of the most hated races in the Lore.
Calia may only be a member of a council but there has been some history of great forces trying to manipulate the mortal races. Think Katrana Prestor hiding amongst the human royals to influence Varian.
at this point they should simply make all races neutral and make them choose between a light faction and a void faction since the ally and horde stuff doesnt even make sense anymore after shadowlands, as for me ill forever stand with the light!
It's a storyline they just started scratching. Chris Metzen left in 2016, the same year legion launched. I'm sure this story was part of his idea. Now he's back the storylines from Legion seem like they'll be addressed. Sword, Light & shadow, Titans.
i love how you delusional metzen simps think your precious boomer has ANY idea how to write anything good at all that doesn't devolve into
>big bad evil appears
>you have to work together now despite all the horrible shit a certain faction has done
>make sure to forgive them as well no matter how heinous the things they did were
TAKE ME DOWN TO RETCON CITY
WHERE THINGS MAKE NO SENSE AND THE STORY IS SHITTY
Too much of anything becomes a poison.
I'm pretty sure Calia will not become a pawn of the light.
Light be with you! #teamlight
Also good side of the Void? Void powered paladin! :)
I can see they invading sunwell really soon, since now it's a light force, also created by a naaru
King Garithos saw this in a vision in an Alternate Universe, hence he picks up the Helm of Domination so humanity wouldn't be slaves to either the Light or Void.
I understood that reference
@@TheJbjfan ah, so you watch Executor Nral too?
I suppose if there's a Hidden Domination Sleeper Spell ready to flip on a switch, sure, but at times, it's not always because of a Domination like effects. Like the Old God's, it's about Purity of Conviction to Believe. The Void Rely on Half Truths and Madness to control people to obey them. Letting Insanity Eraise Reason. As for the Light, they also rely on Purity of Purpose. As for Turalyon, he may betray Azeroth to the Light simply because he can believe it's in better hands in the Lights Grip vs. the Titans Void or Free wills.
I’ll be sooo bummed if turalyon goes bad. I loved him in the Warcraft books.
OH YES!!! GLORY UNDER THE LIGHT!!!
I think Anduin seeing the similarities between domination magic and the light and struggling with that would be such a cool thing to explore, but i doubt the writers would be able to handle that plot line well.
Light isn't necessarily good and darkness isn't necessarily evil. It's actions that matter... So far it seems that the Light does things for the 'greater good' without knowing that the saying 'the road to hell is paved with good intentions' exists. I'd really like to see if the void aka 'darkness' is shown that it's the one that has an abundance of empathy... That would be interesting.
I'm telling you now, War Within will deal with the Evil Titan light vs True Light that the Arathi use. We will have to face Y'Rel but in her turf. We will travel to Faralon on Draenor for a patch zone at some point during the World Soul Saga
Stop making the light your enemy. Order must be maintained
Chaos creates change.
The thing with Turalyon is I don't think he's Lightforged anymore?!? It was a key thing that many seem to be forgetting when they talk about this... his eyes!!! When Illidian killed Xe're you saw his eyes go from "golden" back to a regular "brown". Now that being said since both he and Calia were "lightforged" they still might have a link to the Naaru. I think the light threat is going to come from Yrel and the zealots of Draenor. I think the Dark Portal will open again but not by Fel this time but with shining light. She'll come through with all her forces of converted Draenei, Orcs, Ogron and such. I could see her coming through with giant crystal fortresses both on the ground and sky that start to "seed" Eastern Kingdom with the purple crystals that we know they can use to change the world around them. (that quest in SMV in WoD showed that with the crystal glitching and driving the creatures insane, this time they'll have all that time they've been away to perfect it). That will get us a updated lower eastern kingdom to go with the updates of northern eastern kingdom that we get in Midnight. I think we'll come back from whatever goes on in Northrend in The Last Titan hoping to lick our wounds and see the lower eastern kingdom in chaos. Ironforge will be the new updated hub there as they go deep underground to protect us from the fortresses.
Not going to lie, but despite everything, the light seems to be allways a better choice to pick. It literally helped most of the time the majority of its users. The cleansing of the sunwell, healing, ressurection, etc... yes, it might be a little demanding but in comparisom to the other cosm. forces, they do the same or worse.
oh...
the implications of that sunwell >_>
it empowers the blood elves and as a result many of them have their eyes changed to yellow
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Liadrin and Lor'themar
Idk if they just never updated Rommath but his eyes remain green same with Haldron
After the shift in Blizzard from light = good, void = bad, we have a new cosmic paradigm they have been showing us slowly but steadily. Until the recovery of Undercity, we thought only death magic could create undead, now we know any kind of magic can do it (maybe with the exception of life/nature magic). Each cosmological force has its own kind of magic (or power, if you prefer it that way) with which they are in fight between them, and they can have an influence towards what kind of actions their users do, but that does not mean their users are 'forced' into do that kind of actions. See the Illidari and fel magic, as an example, they might be more aggressive and have a greater tendency to be controlled by the fel forces, but that does not mean they are naturally 'evil' now. Same with the light, and I think Anduin will be a pivotal point to show us this, he has access to the light, he simply need to realize he can do his own will, not the will of the light, when using it to do what we call either 'evil' or 'good' things with it.
I personally hope that the light turns their followers "evil" and thats when we see illidan return to fight off another cosmic force. (Yes i am an Illidan fanboy)
He lost light because he lost confidence in himself, that's how light work, if you don't have conviction in yourself, light will not come for you, it has nothing to do with anduin belive Light is bad 😅
yeah he's got some PTSD to make recover from and inner demons to peace with. It looks like the beginning of an actually well written story arc based on an ACTUAL real world issue, Trauma.
I really just want the world soul sage to focus on Iridikron, the Titans, and Xalatath. I kind of want the Void vs Light thing to play out after as like a 14.0 or something.
yeah, just as something to look forward too, maybe set up the match date in the midnight ending and have Calia and Turalyon break free from some kind of Light Possession
no.
Is evil light what we could call lawful good or it's different?
What if the giant crystal underground is the warp core of a Naaru ship, and there’s a Naaru inside it?
I am hoping they don't kill off all of titans because they need a balance of all the cosmic forces.
Are you suggesting that when the naru which created Calia goes dark, she will turn shadow bad?
The Drainei girl was a minor character that they turned on a dime for no reason. Calia is a thought out intention by Blizzard which they are not likely going to throw away by making her a pawn. That's why I think they are going to make up a reason why she goes bad, but a reason we can fix, like turning naru from shadow back into light.
I'm just sitting here waiting for a void spec paladin.
Yes give me Blackguard
Blizzard: ok we have a new paladin spec... Blackguard; think of a ret paladin, if they were a tank!
@@Zanthra434 yeah maybe make em stay alive by leeching health or something
worst than evil? blinded justice
the graph of all wow cosmic powers (semi-)clearly indicates that none of them are pure good or evil, just a bunch of siblings forced to sleep on the same bed eternally pulling the ever so small blanket of balance towards themselves while we ironically are the parents who know for sure that there is a position where everyone is covered so its up to us to make the shithead kids to finally sleep
If they go down the light is evil route they could also go down the thrall is taking a dump and that destroyed Azeroth route. If you set the rules for your universe and setting especially a rule that has been part of the franchise since it beginnings and you change that you get disneys Star Wars. Evil light my ass
crazy world we live in when people think things like a demon named illidan is good and light is evil smh upsidedown world
Nah just lack of imagination to figure out something new, so they flip the board and say white is now black and evil is now good.
This reflects reality quite well. The "light" irl being one of, if not the most evil things in human existence.
It's not really crazy, it shows that it's not as black and white as *certain* people even irl think lol.
The fact that it seems like such a "crazy" concept proves those people right.
I still am Queen of Stormwind Hazeldawn was made to stop light
How dare you to say heretic word about the Holy Light? HEREEETICCC!!!!
World of warcraft after all. No one is" good". What if the evil light is just a ploy from the shadow changeing how they are perceived by us.
I love the "what ifs" like blizzard has a single clue what/where the story is/going. 🤣
They're just winging it at this point😂 might as well let ai do it
Waaaait! Hold up.. Yrel was Evil Light?!
Yes. Was shown in the questline to recruit the Mag'har from alternate Draenor into the Horde.
what if Illidan destruction of Xe'ra was all party of the plan
I just realized how dumb it was for a PRIEST to be upset that they are the "vessel for cosmological forces." Did you even READ what you were applying for?
Do we get Arator back in the fray is what my pally wants to know here
I wonder what would happen if Turalyon meets Illidan again when Titans come to Azeroth. Would he try to get revenge again for Xe'ra?
@justinb7494 You never know, maybe it was a long term plan. He is lightforged after all.
@justinb7494 illidan is a betrayer
I think Turalyon is gonna go evil it is the alliance turn to have a Garrosh/Sylvanas
Since alt Dreanor I don't trust any light anymore.
naaru personally resurrected Calia but couldn't do that same feat with the fall argent soldier in Northrend? huh. Seems the Naaru are pretty sexist and misandry.
Its anduin who resurrected her
WoW Ended on Legion, and that's a fact
Modern WoW is just becoming a propaganda against Christianity now just because Orthodox Christianity is growing .
Lets be honest, we all knew since WOD Turalyon would be villain sooner or later.
This dude is embodiment of brainwashed Light Fanatic that is enchanted by Light energy.
The guy was fighting for the Light for thousands of years across the galaxy against the Burning Legion , before Legion arrived to Azeroth.
Turalyon has lived this long because Xe'ra blessed him and, in her words, he "has crossed the boundaries of mortality
That he was shocked that Illidan refused the naru was an obvious indicator that he's chugged the Light flavor aid plenty. And as I still don't trust Lothraxian, I'm iffy about those who do trust him.
@@MSinistrari
Literally no one trust that guy🤣, Lothraxian might play big role leading Dreadlords and Denathrius back into the story and im 100% up for it to see it unfold.
Worldsoul saga already has big stakes: Xalatath, Iridikron. Void, Light, Titans and possibly Death Pantheon so we all know what that means.
@@UncrownedKingDante If Lothraxian doesn't play a significant role in that, I will eat my work lanyard. He's nathrezim, a species that's probably the top of ability when it comes to deception and manipulation. To something like the Light and how so full of hubris that it's the only right way is practically wearing a sign saying 'we can't imagine anyone not falling in line with us because we're AWESOME' which opens them up to say the right buzzwords and they're ripe for an internal backstab.
@@MSinistrari for sure though..
even though i expect nathrezim to be big bads after world soul saga. Revealing they have influence everywhere and Denathrius returns as true master of Burning Legion.
Only thing questionable is what happens to sargeras now since he might be cleansed from fel.
Im pretty much sure Sargeras is THE Last Titan.
So much desperate speculation and headcanon from fans who hate the Light and Turalyon.
Did you forget that Turalyon disagreed with Xe'ra over Alleria? Or that as the story progressed Turalyon has moved further away from fanaticism, not towards it?
Anduin's crisis of faith is like Thrall's losing the elements - though it's because of Anduin's experience at the Jailer's hands.
This is a problem in modern writing, to sum it up;
""One thing that struck me right off the bat is how rare it is in a movie a person who dedicated their life to religion is depicted three-dimensionally. Fully, richly, they're not dodo-brained. I mean, they're usually either played comic or malevolent."
Ethan Hawke
I'm really tired of bad guys redeeming themselves and good guys turning evil or being evil after all. It's been done to the death in movies and games and it's just lazy writing at this point. The whole 'subverting expectations' is not the flex writers seem to think it is. We've all seen it many, many times before, none of us will be shocked when it happens and it's just a cheap way of stirring things up when they've inevitably written themselves into a corner. They can't seem to write proper heroes anymore, or good villains for that matter, resulting in ridiculous baddies like the Jailer.
The best, most remembered movies and games aren't the ones with the biggest plot twists, but the ones with the best stories and characters.
I really hope they play this out longer, behind the scenes, so we focus on the world soul saga AND THEN BOOM THE LIGHT
concerning lothraxion, it would be better narrative if his long time with the light has brainwashed to full light follower
The only Evil here, is the bad story and bad story telling by Blizzard.
I love the idea of evil light, sounds cool
Calia is a priest she even made it into the priest hall in Legion! She also does not lead the forsaken but just one voice of reason for the undead, as they are ruled by a counsel.
Stop makin a heroic Turalion a light pawn.
The thing is heroic Turalyon died a while ago and the current 500 year old Turalyon is only being kept alive through his lightforged status.
Like I said again blizz will SCREW the entire saga putting turalyon evil 😡😡😡😡😡😡
but light cannot be evil so easily.
I just hâte this grand cosmological thème, i miss old Warcraft lore...
Yh the old lore of creatures from a different DIMENSION invading Azeroth?
I think if any of this is to happen- Turalyon would be our more dangerous light fanatic, while Calia would hold a resistance, she'd still be a bit zealous, but I think Turalyon would be more violent and dangerous.
Honestly? I'd like to see a story like that play out.
I think that's wrong, since Turalyon has only been getting more open-minded and further from fanaticism as time goes on.
@@snappycenter7863 Where is the proof of that? Literally all he has done is sit on his ass in stormwind ever since Legion.
@@valan2736 In novels like "Before the Storm". Even in "A Thousand Years of War" he shifted his position on Void use.
"Evil light" is so fucking cringe it's insane. I don't want to play this game anymore.
when evil light exists, their will be good void too. I embrace the good void to fight everything that stands in my way.
Plot Twist: Old Gods are the good void faction while Void Lords are the evil ones.
Im kinda tired of the "Hero is the villian" in wow literally every character in WOW has either became the villian or died out on a whimper
WoW really starts to turn stupid. I really dislike this new orientation where Evil becomes Good, Good becomes Evil, Male characters become Females, Females become Males, Horde becomes Alliance, Alliance becomes Horde. Classes/races combos also start to disappear. Faction capitals too. Blizzard is abandoning the Warcraft lore, to make a "game" which would be the actual society reflect, not a medieval fantastic universe anymore... Rivality and wars are disappearing, tragical aspect too, and this universe will become a naive gaming field for children, with puppets and toys collectibles. Nothing in common with the Vanilla/BC/WOTLK era anymore. A day in the past, you had to kill the Lich King and save the world in the name of the Light. Now in DF you have to help two gay craftsmen to start a relationship... That's the new face of World of Warcraft...
I hope they dont do a light is evil trope. Write something original not another 'wait are we the baddies?' plot. I don't mind a grey area but the whole 'the good guys are now evil' is just as tired as the ' evil character is redeemed' bs'. No one would want a redeemed Hitler arc, that's why no one wanted Sylvanas redemption arc after her genocide of Night elves. I personally hated what they did with Yrel.
Yeah I could see something like this happening. Blizzard have become such hacks at story telling that them doing a "BuH dA lIGhT iZ aChUuUuUlY bAd" story line makes 100% sense.
The light has been used for evil since vanilla, what do you think the scarlet crusade is?
I can't see the light as evil sorry, same as the life. Every cosmic force is at best gray.
They literally enslaved the orcs on alternate Draenor as well as the other races. It isn't a question of whethere they can be evil but whether they will be evil on Azeroth.
@@DoronsmoviesBig +, non of cosmic forces might be evil or good, they have their motives and goals but in our eyes they want to claim OUR world from us (inhabitants of Azeroth).
Light is a cosmic force like any other, with Void together they make Ying and Yang. A balance within a universe.
Life is different theory apart of Light.
@@Doronsmovies I sincerely hope that's not THE light. It just feels wrong to go against a force that has been good since the start. Why does it need to be evil? Why do we must fight it? It feels forced in a way. One thing is that it happened on Alternate Draenor, but to me that hit more because it kind of felt to me like a alternate version of the Horde. In the main U, the orcs enslave the Draenei. I really think Yrel turning "evil" as a zealot shouldnt have anything to do with the lights allignment.
Besides, in the time when the light vs void happens, who do you think we'll side with?
Also, if Turalyon or Calia are evil blind light zealots, why didn't they allign with The Scarlet Crusade in Gilneas?
The Scarlet Crusade is so far the only zealots on Azeroth, unless the Arathi also are evil in the War Within
You can imagine it as Catholic Church purist in the medieval ages. The ONE AND ONLY way is the light or die. Any inbalanced force in abundance will spread and consume all remaining that way. Also imagine life without death counterbalancing. There would be no space left - it is not inherently evil, but consuming.
@@ARJAY_NO i think you missed on one big point man.
Most ordered cosmic force by the Titans out of all cosmic forces is THE LIGHT,
Now that we know stuff or 2 about the titans think about it twice.