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- Pontiac’s Grand Prix was one of GM’s most elegant full size vehicle designs. But it got even better with the optional 8-lug aluminum brake and wheel option seen on this example. But the Grand Prix wasn’t the only GM car with aluminum brake drums. Watch the video to see two others.
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The dog cracks me up every time ! It’s like a Stanley Kubrick film, guess the hidden meaning
The car is a 65 . The headlight doors are much smaller on the 66 , and many were painted the same as the body colour . I have the Canadian car with the Chevrolet 327 4bbl . The Parisienne Custom Sport has the same roof line as the Catalina . 1965 was the prettiest of all Pontiac years .
As a young teen in the mid sixties I remember all these cars when new . Even back then I would think how beautiful they were . Guess these were my GOOD OLD DAYS !
My next door neighbor bought a 66 GP brand new. It was sort of a turquoise color with white interior, a 421 automatic, power windows, and a lot of other options. He would take us to school in it sometimes, which being a third grader made it special.
@@robertclark9 My friends dad had one and the oldest brother would borrow it on date night and do power braking burn - outs with it in the Piggly Wiggly parking lot . It was impressive !
My first car 1965 grand prix in 1976. I was the coolest 15 year old I knew at the time
Staying Alive was no accident. The BeeGees we're acting in a very deliberate manner when they recorded that song!
Definitely a '65 GP. Our family owned one. I learned to drive on it! My first car was a '70 Firebird 350 4 spd. ❤ Pontiacs!
As a vintage Pontiac guy, I approve of this video! Sad seeing these classics in the junkyard, but I always appreciate the knowledge Steve can pass on from them.
Hi Dave, I was wish somebody could please help me with this. Back in the 1960s, GMs Pontiac Motor Division marketed two Full-Size high performance two door hardtop personal luxury cars based on the GM "B" Body, that where very much alike. I am talking about the 1962-1968 Pontiac Grand Prix, Vs. the 1964-1967 Pontiac 2+2. Which one cost more? Which one had more standard equipment? Which one had more optional equipment? Why two cars by the same motor division that seemed to compete with each other? I have researched Google Internet, but nobody will answer me! Can anyone please help me to find this answer? Please reply. Dave...
@@daveridgeway2639 The Grand Prix came standard with a lot more features than the 2+2. The 2+2 was just a performance dress up option on the Catalina meant to compete with cars like the Impala SS and the Galaxie XL. The 2+2 option was more cosmetic just like the SS was to the Impala. The standard engine with the 2+2 was still the 389/2bbl but it did allow for upper level engine options up to and including the 421/370hp (eventually 376hp). The Grand Prix however always came standard with a high compression 4 bbl engine and could be had with all the upper level options including the 421 Super Duty in '62 and '63. But those are the rarest Super Duty cars I think. The Catalina came standard with a bench seat and column shift while the Grand Prix came standard with buckets, a console and a vacuum gauge although that's an odd thing to have standard. The Grand Prix was more expensive than the Catalina even with the 2+2 option although that got them closer to the same price. All the same options like 8 lug wheels, A/C, Safety Track rear end, power windows, ect, were available on both but standard on neither. I hope this helps.
@@1967davethewave Thank you 1967davethewave for the reply! Nobody but nobody has ever been able to answer me in regards to this question! Thank you! Dave...
@@1967davethewave Thank you! Nobody has ever to answer this question! Dave...
I had a 65 Bonneville 2 doors hardtop back in the mid seventies through the mid eighties. Loved that car. Surprisingly it got great fuel mileage. Could easily get 25 mpg on the highway. Man that thing was fast for a land yacht that only had a 389 4bbl.
Took my driver license test in my Ma's 66 Bonneville convertible and managed to pass the parallel parking bit. Like docking the Queen Mary!
Had the 66 ragtop Bonny flavor. Had it for twenty years, when I got married I sold it along with my 66 two door comet with the 200 six. Both sweet cars. Had a sixty eight Buick before the Pontiac.
What’s with that dog!?? Hahahah! It was in the back seat of that convertible the other day as well! Hahahahah
What dog? I'm not seeing it. Thanks for watching and writing! -Steve Magnante
My first car was 1970 Bonnevile convertible with. 455 4 barrel. My mother worked at a Pontiac dealership and her coolest car was.’66 Catalina convertible with. 389, I leaned how yo drive on that one, this video brought back a lot of great memories.
Pontiac really nailed the styling on these mid 60s cars. They always were my favorites.
They don't make em like that anymore! liked the brake drums! this car "floated" down the expressway!
I love the 8 lugs! I just recently put a restored set onto my 65 star chief! Love the content Steve, keep up the good work!
I had a 1966 Bonneville hardtop back in the 90s. It had practically every option except for the 8 lug wheels. It was a great car. This Pontiac full size and Buick Rivieras of the mid 60s to early 70s were the most beautiful USA made vehicles ever built.
Green Wave was and still is the name of the Greenfield Ma. High School athletic teams , very near Bernardston.
The '66 GP is one of my favorite GM designs. One of the best parts is the way the gauges are angled towards the driver, and even though it's missing from this one, the slender knob for the automatic shifter was pure class.
Also, imagine looking under the hood to see how many ponies she had and discovering a just one doggie.
I have owned a '62 Grand Prix, 389/303hp, a '72 Grand Prix SJ, 455, a '99 Grand Prix GTP and I drive a 2004 Grand Prix GT everyday as my work car. I guess, even though I never tell anyone, I'm a Grand Prix guy. The only model of car I've owned more of is the Challenger. I do tell people I'm a Mopar guy!!!
I remember seeing one of these parked behind a small garage near Honesdale, PA. It was probably 25 years ago. That one was complete with the 421 Tri Power and a four speed and gold paint. If I remember correctly it was fully loaded with all the options. It wasn't for sale but was in really great shape. The wheels were off and it was sitting on blocks. I was never a Pontiac guy but would have gladly owned that one.
1965. One of my favs and a saved search in my frequent online wandering for car ads. Truly beautiful cars, high content and high quality, and the entire lineup was Motor Trends COTY for '65
1 dog power under hood very calm boy
The Grand Prix's were and still are some of my favorite 60's cars. Thanks for showing this cool ol' gal.
This one was powered by the optional 360 dog power motor!
You're correct about the Grand Prix being a convertible and a two door, but by 1990, the Grand Prix was available a four door. By then, the Grand Prix was a "dishwasher" (more like an appliance), and you'd find it more at Hertz counter more than you would an enthusiast's driveway or garage. In 1988, the Grand Prix went to front wheel drive and became the "W" body. Yes, the 389 V8 was standard and for the last year, the 421 Tri-Power was also available on a Grand Prix in 1966. In 1965, you could get the 389 V8 with four barrel (as this likely was), a 389 Tri-Power or a 421 Tri-Power. We can assume that by 1991 this was probably off the road, as Mr. Dukakis was governor from 1975 to 1979 and then again from 1983 to 1991. Mr. Dukakis was one of the reasons that the Framingham, MA GM assembly plant closed down as he wanted to give land to GM by eminent domain, but a local politician, Anthony Colonna wanted to build a public works facility instead and butted heads with GM and Mr. Dukakis. In the end, Mr. Colonna won the battle but lost the war as GM closed Framingham in 1989. As pointed out by others, this is a 1965, not a 1966 model. The tail light treatment is 1965 and was different than 1966. You have the right year brochure there, actually. LOL.
No VIN, can't win, but easy to figure out, no doubt: 2 for Pontiac, 66 for Grand Prix, 57 for two door hardtop, 5 for 1965 model year, maybe P for Pontiac, MI assembly and the rest is the production sequence. The Pontiac, MI "home" plant closed in 1988 after assembling the last of the RWD G body cars and the Pontiac Fiero.
No tag, can't brag, but again, somewhat easy to figure out, no doubt: 65 for 1965 model year, 26657 for Grand Prix, possible PON for Pontiac, MI assembly, possible 258-281 for black interior trim, possible W for Blue Slate Mist exterior paint, maybe A for black vinyl top among other codes. That's also a bumper sticker for the Greenfield MA state fair which is still held today and started in 1865. It is located at 89 Wisdom Way in Greenfield, MA.
The Pontiac parts place to go to for restoration parts has always been Ames Performance Engineering which is right in your backyard in New England (Spofford, NH). I've met Mr. Ames a few times at swap meets in the past and he's always been an easy guy to deal with. Long before the "odd ones" became popular, Mr. Ames was offering parts for the obscure Pontiac. Ames is all Pontiac, they do nothing else. What I've always liked about their catalogs is their honesty in describing the parts. "Poor reproduction, but best that is available", or "Made for us to exacting standards. Quality is excellent", or "Fit is fair, requires extensive rework". You don't see that often in parts catalogs.
My sister bought her first 4-door Grand Prix in 1994.
She then continued to trade-in the older one, and buy a new one, every 3 years... until the final year that Grand Prix were made, 2008.
Now, at the end of 2022, she is still driving that 2008 Grand Prix.
I have no idea how many miles it has now. But it is surely a lot, as I know that she drives several hundred miles every month.😁
The auto parts manufacturer I worked for had them as company cars at the time in the 1990s.
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So Many Cars of 1966 were Awsome.
Dangit Steve, there you go with that dog again. I almost jumped out of my seat when you scanned past the engine bay the first time and the light hit that dog!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The “Green Wave” is the mascot of Tulane University .
But In this case it’s referring to Greenfield High School - they are the Green Wave.
I had a neighbor from Pa. was a Tulane Grad,, but his car was a vintage charger.
I love how you keep using Fido the junk yard dog in your videos even though he doesn’t say or do anything. 😆😂🤣
Love those full size Pontiacs, a friend of mine has a'65 2+2 factory 421 tri-power 4 speed car with the 8 lug rims, he bought it in 1979 and paid $2500 for it nobody wanted it back then and all he saw was gold, 43 years later its still sitting in the garage 😀!!!
Yes, those 8 lug wheels are a thing of beauty, real style and they added to the looks of what were already beautiful cars, but the arrival of disc brakes was their demise.
Look at the style of that car! Not one car on the road today that can compare!
Comparing the 1966 Grand Prix to the 1966 GTO there is no contest. The Grand Prix is the most beautiful car from the '60's. In black there is no car that can beat it.
This ‚65 was the first year for this ‚cokebottle style‘, the front has a rectangular, devided grill with a straight beak/nose. Instrument panel had round secondary gages.
I remember those Pepsi cans.
However, I never had an opportunity to drink from one.
At that point in time, almost all of the pop (soda) in the vending machines where I grew up, in Kansas, were still in 10 ounce glass bottles, regardless of brand.
The bank where my mom worked, had a vending machine in the lobby.
The local distributor stopped by every week to refill it. And once a month, my mom would buy a case of assorted brands... Pepsi, Dr. Pepper, 7up... from him, to bring home for the family.
My parents allowing us to have a bottle of pop, once a week, was a special treat.
And us kids weren't allowed to drink a bottle of pop without our parent's permission!
The"case" those bottles came in were a flat wooden tray, with dividers between the bottles.
And if I recall correctly, those trays held 24 bottles.
And that tray actually belonged to the distributor, so when it was empty, mom had to give it back to the vendor, or else get charged extra for it!
I wonder how many people noticed the dog that keeps following you around lol
Good show Steve! I love those wheel/breaks! I went with my father in 1966 to pick up a new Catalina. At the dealership at 5 years old,I remember sitting and looking at those wheels. They looked like something off jet plane! As far as the GTO, who didn't want a set of Crager S/S wheels on their GTO, in 1966.
Steve, I would like to salute the 837,00O people who had the good taste and sound judgment to choose a fabulous Pontiac in 1966. 👏👏👏👏 I would also like to wish good luck 5:54 to that tiny White Pine 🌲struggling to grow beside the remnants of the front brake.
Learning so much new stuff ;>
thanks!
So cool! I learn so much everytime. Who would’ve thought walking around a junk yard talking about rust buckets that have been seagulled of parts would be awesomeness! Thanks Steve! Cheers from Maine! Right up the pike bub
Glad you enjoyed it
Awesome review, as usual. Thanks
I was in a gorgeous 66 grand prix in 1977 the green glow of the dash was intriguing.
One of my all time favorites!
Sorry, Steve. This Grand Prix is a 1965, not a ‘66. The easiest way to tell is that the taillights had a full-width louver effect to their design. There are other ways to tell the difference, but since you focused on the taillight design, that’s what I used as an example. Have a good one.
I was shouting at the screen too. 🙂 I used to own a '65 GP myself.
@@stuartstephens I didn’t mention it, but I had one, too, in the ‘70s. I’ll never forget how beautiful the interior was.
65 had the round gauges and more exposed headlights on the sides. 66 had squared guages and flush headlights. I got excited as I have a 66 Bonneville that needs some specific parts and this place is a few hours away from me.
It looks like Steve needs to work on his 60's Fullsize Pontiac knowledge. On the 63 Bonneville that he covered, he mixed up he standard Hydramatic with the Roto-Hydramatic.
@@jameslockard4827 Or just refer to the trim tag and/or VIN. Because at the point of repeating myself, "You need the VIN to win and the tag to brag".
Great video Steve I learned alot. Love the dog
OK now I'm convinced you guys put the dog there on purpose The grand Priz is really a awesome car
Thanks Steve! Wow-what glorious days of design and engineering. Even the brochure was nice to look at. I wonder how many of those cars would have been more carefully maintained or saved were it not for the rust.
Since I've never seen one of the 8 lug wheels without a center cap, I always wondered if the entire wheel had to be replaced when the drum couldn't be machined anymore. Now I know how they work.
Thankyou Steve, always a great classroom of knowlege
Glad you enjoyed it
Thanks for really explaining the different options and the stats of Pontiac. My fav was the 73 LeMans.. Bucket seats center console,auto 350.... I loved it. Same with the back window too.
Wow! To tell you the truth! I’ve never new Pontiac had them brakes styling with the wheels package like that! Impressive and definitely beautiful looking!
Such a sweet ride. Great work brother, thank you for keeping us all informed and entertained with great classic rides 👍.
Glad you enjoyed it
@@SteveMagnante I do all the time brother God bless you and yours
COOL. Love those CLASSIC Pontiac s.
I took parts off the 73 Ventura on the left side of that GP!
the 8 lug wheel and aluminum drum heard about them but never seen one till now, thanks
there's the Dog😂
40 yrs ago I knew a Pontiac head that had a '62 GP......he claimed it was #1 off the assembly line.
Steve I been in the hospital 30 days o look forward to your show every day. your heat thank you bro
Hello Jeff Donahue, here's hoping you GET WELL SOON and can return home and get back to doing what you love to do. In the meantime, I'm honored that these Junkyard Crawl videos are keeping you company. If you want to see a BUNCH more, go to the Channel Playlist and you'll see over 300 similar Junkyard Crawl videos on just about every type of vehicle you can imagine. And they're FREE! OK, Thanks again for watching and writing and I hope you Get Well SOON! -Steve Magnante
My 66 G.P. had a Hurst 4 speed tranny with 8 lugs wheels, red over black
A Pontiac fan here.
Still working the algorithm Steve 👍
I like the dog mascot. That deer was creepy. 😆
Cool stuff well read Steve ! Beautiful cars in the 50s and 60s.. my dad bought a new 63 olds dynamic 88 holiday grecian green metalic 4dr 394 hi compression after they won money on keno ... my grandparents were vacationing in reno for the weekend and played the lucky numbers for my parents.
... my parents won about 12k and werent even present lol... nice chunk of change in 63 ...anyway i grew up in that car and got to drive it at 16 years-old... it was tired but drove very smooth ... such mechanical detail you just dont have in new cars.. thanks for sharing
we called them grand pricks cuz that's who generally drove them
Im gonna suggest the GTO owners had a better setup with aluminum drums in the standard format. Tires on and off as you burn thru them etc would be a pain otherwise equipped. And disc brakes were on the horizon. Personally I like drum brakes had them on my Duster they were plenty strong and easy to modulate in city driving. And easy to service!!
Steve, you really do need your OWN television show!! The knowledge that comes down from your brain and out of your mouth is remarkable!
Nope he's doing just fine... we all know what happens when corporate sponsors and management start getting involved and telling him what to do.
Hi Guys, I DID have a TV show. it was called Roadkill's Junkyard Gold and lasted three seasons (31 episodes). It was last produced in 2020 but Motor Trend airs re-runs on a regular basis. it was a fun project but I prefer doing these cut-down Junkyard CRAWL videos. Thanks for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
Love those big old Ponchos!
We're all pulling for you Steve. Hope to see you soon
I've got that same collectable automobile magazine. A friend of mine who was an airline pilot picked it up when he was over in the states. They weren't normally available here in England but they really were a brilliant magazine.
Hello robert tucker, Collectible Automobile is STILL IN PRINT! I subscribe and get the new issue every other month. I'm pretty sure you can Google them if you wish to sign up for a subscription. I paid $79.95 for a Two Year subscription. Cheap at twice the price for the info and pictures each issue contains. Thanks again for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
Beautiful car!
Eric Esterby is correct! This is a 65 not a 66. The headlights on a 65 is different from 66 and the center gauges are round on 65 and square on a 66. Also, the tail lights are different as well!
Always like those years!
I still have my dads 66 389 auto paid $ 4300.oo off the show room floor it handles great if you get on it it will spin the tires at 65 mph when it shifts it doesn't have the 8 lug setup and I also have 64 Buick with those big brakes . Thanks for the video
Correction on the Pepsi can. After the pull tang tab, the next version was the two round push in ports, one being small and the other being large. The small one was to be pushed in first followed by the large push in next. The top of the can had two arrows that said "push first" pointing to the small push port. This was done so the Pepsi would not fly out the large hole. By opening the smaller first, the release of the product outside the top was greatly reduced. The tabs had potential for a choking hazard as they could be manipulated off and be swallowed.
I know the push button can tops but I don't think they were used across the country. In New England and downstate NY, we never had them. I did see them when visiting relatives and on vacations in other places.
Thanks for bringing that up I had forgotten about those push tabs and you are right they discontinued it because of a possible choking hazard.
I remember those 2-button cans were around for just a year or two. I remember slicing one open to see how it sealed. There was a rubberized Styrofoam bead around the underside of each button. I think I recall that this sealant material could become brittle and begin to leak after a while. perhaps that was the "nail in the coffin" for that configuration. But yes, push the little one first to release pressure then the big one and swig away! Thanks for writing, Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Nice t o see you at the yard today, the Green Wave bumper sticker refers to the next town over Greenfield they call their teams the green wave, keep up the great work love it!!!
Never saw the push button ones until I saw a pic of one years later on the internet. We went right from pull tabs to the kind still in use today.
As kids no one knew it was pronounced gran (no D) pre, they just got called "Grand Pricks", in the world of grade school kids in the early 70s'.
Yup, I remember that.😃
Got any Buick Wildcats in that yard
I hope so! My grandparents had a new '66 Wildcat when I was a wee child.
Those brakes worked great as did the Buick front Aluminium drums.
In theory they should dissipate heat nicely. The back ones would benefit from more contact with the steel rim perhaps for the same reason.
Beautiful car
Mr. B. ! Morning to all ! 65 or 66 it is to see one . Not like the one Steve had shown us all in two pieces. Oh powered my dog ! LOL .
Hi Steve down here in Hanson Mass love your videos that sticker on the back said go green waves that was the town of Abington Mass High School logo they were known as the Abington Green Waves love the vids 😊
The "Green Wave" is the nickname of Tulane University Athletics teams. That bumper sticker is probably in support of their football program.
The Firestone snow tire on that Grand Prix were some of the best of the era. They never let me down. A staple for NewEnglanders
In Canada, we only had parisiennes and grand parisienne
I never owned a real Grand Prix but I had an 88 and a 95 GTP but l don't consider the front wheel drive ones a real one.
Hey Steve. Another great video. The Green Wave bumper sticker was for the Greenfield High School sports team. Greenfield is the next town over from Bernardston. This Grand Prix must have come from Greenfield, MA.
Gran Prix was a full size model until 1969, when it went to a stretched midsize platform.
I had a magazine years ago that showed what they thought was the prototype Gran Prix, a 1960 in a Michigan junkyard which had a hardtop with the sort of fake convertible rib shape of the 1962 coupes. Somebody saw it, took photos because it was odd, then went back to research it only to find it gone and just some parts to it laying around. They thought maybe it used a convertible body and the top was added as a styling exercise.
I don't even remember the magazine, unless it was in High Performance Pontiac, but I think it was something else, a short lived lesser title.
Talking about rust, I parted out a '64 I got out of a yard where some cars were fairly decent for New York. This car I couldn't tell for sure when or why it was parked but it had 1971 receipts in the glove box. Anyhow I decided to slice out the spears in the quarters, I was building a custom '50 Chevy and thought about grafting them into the body sides. When I cut it apart I found the car had already been patched up once and that was why it looked so decent. The frame also was rusted completely through left side under the rear seat area.
Steve! Your ‘66 GP is actually a ‘65 GP. Additionally, Pontiac was #3 in sales in the US from 1961 on… ‘66 was a great year for sales but not the first #3 year!
I had a 65 GP back around 1981. I bought it from an older couple that kept it like new but had to sell it because the frame had rusted and wouldn't pass Pa. Inspection. One night, coming home from a party, I was rolling along about 80 when traffic light changed. I had to stand on the brakes with both feet while yanking on the steering wheel. When it finally came to a stop, a big cloud of brake smoke came slowly rolling past me.
I needs those 8 lugs!
Hi Steve in my opinion the 66-67 Grand Prix wete one of the best looking full size cars GM produced. My friend Billy Goat has a couple of these sitting in his stockpile of Pontiac parts. There's a white one with the hide-away headlight option I wish he would restore. It has lots of potential. But it's not a GTO (why we call him Billy-Goat) so he's probably not and definitely not gonna sale🤨. Namaste 🙏🏼
Nice video!
Glad you enjoyed it
So thankful to get you to visit #PontiacPowerHour for our Thanksgiving Special talking about Pontiacs!!
Hello Buff, THANKS for the opportunity to talk Pontiacs with you and your audience. I'll be happy to visit again any time. -Steve Magnante
Enjoyed!!! 👍👍
Hi Steve, good video! The big 11' aluminum brake drums with the cooling fins and a pressed in (steel) insert where often found on many high end GM cars such as, Cadillac(s), Buick Buick Electra 225, Buick Riviera and Oldsmobile Toronado with power brakes of course. You see finned aluminum brake drums dissipate the heat much faster than standard steel brake drums do. This braking system is/was a very very efficient and powerful. Power "front disc" brakes took over where this left off due to production cost(s). The 9.5" Pontiac GTO finned aluminum front brakes that you did show, came with steel impregnated brake shoes from the factory for even MORE stopping power. You see, a finned aluminum brake drum with a pressed in steel insert cost more than a "disc brake rotor" dose. Please reply. Dave...
That junkyard dog isn't doing a very good job.
That Pontiac wheel is one of the best looking wheels of the era. "Turbine" -style wheels seemingly always looks good on mid-'60's through early -'90's domestics.
I put a set of Lincoln LSC "Turbines" in 16"x 7" size on my '76 Valiant sedan...it works and doesn't look odd
Couldn't agree more!
Hope the dog under the hood is doing ok!
Even Steve can slip up once in awhile
Proves he's human.
Go green wave is probably a Tulane university reference. Lots of northeastern kids go to new Orleans to get all their wildness out during college before returning to New England and their law-abiding upstanding lives
Nope. Greenfield High School are the Green Wave.
The rear window shape is marvelous, love those cars. I wanna save it! Any 63-64 full size mercurys out there?
You mean Grand Prix that's what a lot of my friends used to call I used to laugh at him I said Matt or can't read but you have a great day haha just having fun