Both I guess, it became a cheap go to for TV channels and thus supplanted properly scripted programs which by comparison take too much money and effort to actually produce when you can just film a bunch of fucking retards fighting and copulating. Getting the drama out of that was easier than actually paying an actor to depict something.
See, my problem is the opposite. The issue I have with a lot of reality TV is that it takes real people and edits together footage to create "characters" out of them. As a result, people are even less able to disassociate the person from the version of themselves portrayed on TV. And this really can tarnish the image of those real people or lead to social media harassment, which can be damaging to people suddenly launched into this infamy. Some argue that "this is what they sign up for" but I don't think a lot of people quite recognise the full ramifications that can come from being portrayed in a certain light on television.
sadly that's probably the most effective way to make that kind of show successful, since it makes all the random people instantly memorable for better or for worse. just throw the whole genre out at that point though XD or make it fully fictional, like total drama island
Reality shows also rely on a lot of toxicity that risks crossing the line between drama and abuse. For example, the misogyny and sexual assault in below deck or the dodgy work conditions the children faced on dance moms.
I hate the ones that are just "let's laugh at poor people and solidify any stereotypes middle class suburban wankers may have", type of stuff my aunt would put on whenever I was over
Undercover Boss. Extreme Home Makeover. There were a few extreme plastic surgery shows. Anything that makes people parade their trauma so they can get a one-time cash prize
I can deal with the reality shows where it's about a person or organisation doing their job because I might learn something from them but everything else is just incomprehensible to me.
I’d say I hate really shows generally but I will admit I have a huge soft spot for the UK Apprentice. It’s formulaic but we’ll crafted for exactly what it is. Even if the tasks are the same every year watching the produces make that years cast look as stupid as possible in the execution will always be entertaining We don’t have to put up with the contestants endless personal dramas on screen (as the show has evolved into the social media age it’s just come out on Twitter after airing. )
I admit watching one single series of Big Brother way back in 2006 (Im Australian so this was OZ BB) and one series was enough, it served a purpose at the time I think and this is sad to admit but it was like having a group of friends without the pain of actually having to sociaise with them and I was feeling lonely at the time so it filled a need, but the next year in 2007 I didnt want to go on the ride again, once was enough. I think the problem with reality T V apart from the fact its not really reality at all is that it gives airtime to people that I watch Tv to avoid. TV should be about escapism, if I want to see real life people I can um, go out and see them in real life? Its also taking airtime away from properly scripted shows, taking work away from actors, writers, producers and all the people who make proper entertainment and filling it with people who do not deserve any attention.
Channel 4 used to have great shows like the 4mations Block full of weird creative animations then they Bought Big Brother and just got worse over night i will not ever forgive them for that they was the Animation channel now all they care about is airing The Snowman once a year.
I think the only “reality” show I really watch is RuPaul’s Drag Race and it’s various incarnations. You know you’re getting over produced nonsense with drag queens.
I think this is all the power of editing. If you add an epic sound track and some sharp edits to footage from the house of commons BBC: Parliament viewership would 10X
It's easy to forget that the 1st UK series of Big Brother was 5 x 30mins per week. Since it was filmed 24/7 with multiple cameras, people who were chosen to be confrontational, crammed into a house where they couldn't escape, of course they had plenty of conflict to fill the time. 'Modern' reality TV has fewer cameras, filming only some of the time, with people who know when the cameras aren't there, so you are going to get boring conversations. However as long as people watch it, TV companies will make it... This week on "Watching Paint Dry" Samantha has applied some crackle glaze to a French dresser...
Probably because in part, the producers can't be bothered to find people with even basic intelligence (to the point where Russell Howard once showed a Love Island clip where one of the women thought that Brexit meant we wouldn't have any trees... or cheese I couldn't make it out because of the accent).
As a yank it seems like reality TV has really disappeared from the pop culture zeitgeist in the last decade. Seems to be much more popular across the pond as you discuss here but American reality TV feels like it has zero cultural presence anymore
I found myself enjoying series 2 of the US version of the circle. Not my usual kind of thing but was interesting to see how people would act and what persona they would use when no one knew who they where. Apart from that the apprentice is the only one I really watch
not a fan of all the specialty cable channels, or the regular ones, having some reality show either exploiting human lives, or bragging about how much better a celebrity's life is than yours. Turn to A&E, there's a reality show. Turn to TLC, reality show. Turn to MTV, _definitely_ a reality show. Even Cartoon Network got some reality shows. In the 90s, you wanted music, you go to MTV, you wanted movies, you go to any movie channel. I hated seeing reality tv be so common in my 20s after seeing a wealth of top notch programming in my teens. I think the biggest factor is over-abundance, but there's also the humans-suffering-for-entertainment factor as well. With the millennium being as it was with war and sexism and pretty much a complete reversal of what was normal back then, and all these depressing things happening in the news every single day it seems... yeah, the humans-suffering part adds onto it. And many people in the 90s hated The Real World and Road Rules anyway, when they just wanted more music. So seeing reality tv everywhere was frustrating.
My parents love watching Growing Up Hip Hop, and it’s soooo boring. It’s just kinda famous people complaining about shit that I don’t care about. I have to leave the room every time. I don’t mind Real Housewives though.
The issue is, it’s just background noise, it’s something you throw on whilst scrolling through Twitter. It’s not meant to have any real meat, it’s more like an expensive Kabab, yeah it looks nice, but it’s probably made out of styrofoam and tastes like dishwater, but people go because it looks nice. Do you remember in that one Doctor who episode (curse of the black spot) where Amy goes “someone who have everything and look nice, can be as dull as a prick when it comes to personality, but if Rory’s personality was drawn on his face he would be the most handsome person ever” (something like that) basically what I am saying is sometimes if something looks nice doesn’t mean it always is, sometimes if you look at something conventionally unattractive you may find something a bit more interesting. But audiences can’t let go of pretty people having the sex. Also most of it is all staged and if you look at it like that, a drama, you can see it doesn’t hold up well as a well directed/acted/ edited drama. It’s all fake you know
Can we really get better reality tv than Dead Set? Also, mad question but have you ever seen Year of the Sex Olympics? It's a British dystopian teleplay from the 60s where pornography is easily available in order to keep the populations birth rates down because we're becoming overcrowded... but the effect is wearing off. Some producer then makes up a series where a bunch of normal people are stuck on an island and people tune in to watch them.... Has a twist ending so I don't want to spoil it, but Nigel Kneale was PROBABLY more cynical than all of us combined because this was an idea he had in the 60s
I think you're actually ignoring the biggest problem with many reality TV shows: That they are made for humiliating vulnerable people and promoting harmful stereotypes.
Some of these are just mindless noise. Shitty, but don't bother me. But Gordon Ramsay, even though I know his show is fake, makes me furious. All he does is scream, all the restaurant owners do is scream, the music is acting like making a souffle is on level with disarming a small nuclear device. I get turning your mind off and watching dull people chit chat. But why people enjoy hearing a man-child scream at someone who will then scream at him, until they cry and fix everything in the last two minutes just boggles the mind
Speaking as someone who used to watch Kitchen Nightmares all the time... I don't know. It's just the sort of show where you watch a clip of it and have suddenly watched every episode. I think it's just that somewhere, deep down, everyone likes seeing arseholes get shouted at.
There are two shows which I enjoy that I think count as reality TV, the main problem, is that they also count as game shows (Taskmaster and Hunted). And the more I think about it, many reality shows are just game shows, Big Brother and I'm a cel... blah blah blah... here.) So would it be fair to say all game shows are in the reality show umbrella?
Am I just lucky but I don't think I have seen TOWIE, Made in Chelsea or Love Island having left Britain before these low budget horrors were more than a gleam in their producer's eyes. I didn't even watch Big Brother beyond the first season when it became clear a good strategy was sitting tight and not doing the drama stuff.
I know I'm watching thi video very late, but I want to recommend to Stubagful and all of you to watch The Genius. It is a reality show, but it's very different from what "reality" means to us. It's a very brainy and compelling korean game show that literally destroy your brain for how clever it is edited. If anyone is interested, I watched it on bilibili. Hope Stubagful will like it.
See I can't enjoy reality TV unironically, I'm only interested in watching that if someone's doing commentary alongside, pointing out how trash all of it is
is "nathan for you" a reality show? if so, that's the only one i like :D but yeah, i feel like maybe what you're getting at is the lack of conflict or characters or story structures in real life? a good concept and good editing can certainly make a story out of raw material like that, though if people are content to watch hours of lazily compiled nothings, then the tv execs aren't gonna invest money in good editors or riskier concepts.
Reality TV is for people who basically do not know how to use a computer or phone to obtain the media they would rather be watching. I could argue for the slight appeal of b-d list celebrities bickering but other than that i cannot see an appeal that would put it past just watching porn.
Two minutes of content in an hour of footage? As an American who doesn't get sports, that sounds like football. American football. It seems to be almost entirely people standing around. You might see that there's something like 30 seconds left in the game, but that's a lie -- that 30 seconds is chopped up into tiny pieces and it's stretched into 30 minutes of mostly boring, pointless idling.
Happy for you, but this seems a bit reductive. It's like seeing all the slush-pile crap that counts as 'bestselling' these days and deciding 'all modern books are shit'.
I can't wait for Love Island: Parliament Edition
I mean after matt handock it basically already is
I'd watch it
Rooting for "Name Unknown" to win Real People Island
Plot twist: When Lee said "wanna shag?" he was actually talking to Name Unknown
Stiff competition considering the lineages involved.
Brilliant, bring on episode 2 of real people Island
The question is, did reality TV kill television or is reality TV just how television decomposed after it died?
Both I guess, it became a cheap go to for TV channels and thus supplanted properly scripted programs which by comparison take too much money and effort to actually produce when you can just film a bunch of fucking retards fighting and copulating. Getting the drama out of that was easier than actually paying an actor to depict something.
See, my problem is the opposite. The issue I have with a lot of reality TV is that it takes real people and edits together footage to create "characters" out of them.
As a result, people are even less able to disassociate the person from the version of themselves portrayed on TV. And this really can tarnish the image of those real people or lead to social media harassment, which can be damaging to people suddenly launched into this infamy.
Some argue that "this is what they sign up for" but I don't think a lot of people quite recognise the full ramifications that can come from being portrayed in a certain light on television.
Exactly my thoughts on the majority of them.
sadly that's probably the most effective way to make that kind of show successful, since it makes all the random people instantly memorable for better or for worse. just throw the whole genre out at that point though XD or make it fully fictional, like total drama island
You don't know me Stuart, I would never egg-shame a friend of mine!
Reality shows also rely on a lot of toxicity that risks crossing the line between drama and abuse. For example, the misogyny and sexual assault in below deck or the dodgy work conditions the children faced on dance moms.
I hate the ones that are just "let's laugh at poor people and solidify any stereotypes middle class suburban wankers may have", type of stuff my aunt would put on whenever I was over
Wtf? What show is that?
@@chgjake2230 Jeremy Kyle
@@AlienIOIandroktone just looked it up. Thats fucked.
Undercover Boss. Extreme Home Makeover. There were a few extreme plastic surgery shows. Anything that makes people parade their trauma so they can get a one-time cash prize
I can deal with the reality shows where it's about a person or organisation doing their job because I might learn something from them but everything else is just incomprehensible to me.
it would be great if halfway through a reality tv show the world was invaded by aliens
Have you watched the Charlie Brooker drama Dead set? It was just that…but with zombies.
@@mgthestrange9098 Yes, that was pretty decent, actually.
@@mgthestrange9098 wow sounds cool I will give it a watch
@@noahbanks5876 it was a Channel4 program if that helps you to find it.
petition for a full episode of real people island
So *you* are not afraid of _that thing_ , unlike me. Must be a nice way to live.
Reality TV... without the TV. Yep, it's like someone's just left the webcam on.
I’d say I hate really shows generally but I will admit I have a huge soft spot for the UK Apprentice. It’s formulaic but we’ll crafted for exactly what it is. Even if the tasks are the same every year watching the produces make that years cast look as stupid as possible in the execution will always be entertaining We don’t have to put up with the contestants endless personal dramas on screen (as the show has evolved into the social media age it’s just come out on Twitter after airing. )
its nice to see name unknown's career finally take off from his school days
Was expecting more Eggs on Real People Island
I heard Name Unknown was a last minute replacement for Humpty Dahmer (apparently they couldn’t put him together again in time).
Came from Jay. I'm glad he introduced me to you.
I admit watching one single series of Big Brother way back in 2006 (Im Australian so this was OZ BB) and one series was enough, it served a purpose at the time I think and this is sad to admit but it was like having a group of friends without the pain of actually having to sociaise with them and I was feeling lonely at the time so it filled a need, but the next year in 2007 I didnt want to go on the ride again, once was enough. I think the problem with reality T V apart from the fact its not really reality at all is that it gives airtime to people that I watch Tv to avoid. TV should be about escapism, if I want to see real life people I can um, go out and see them in real life? Its also taking airtime away from properly scripted shows, taking work away from actors, writers, producers and all the people who make proper entertainment and filling it with people who do not deserve any attention.
Hunted and Race across the World are the only ones I enjoy, probably the element of urgency
Channel 4 used to have great shows like the 4mations Block full of weird creative animations then they Bought Big Brother and just got worse over night i will not ever forgive them for that they was the Animation channel now all they care about is airing The Snowman once a year.
I think the only “reality” show I really watch is RuPaul’s Drag Race and it’s various incarnations.
You know you’re getting over produced nonsense with drag queens.
I also watch prime minister’s questions for entertainment. And the name is appropriate as it is just questions. No answers to be found here.
2:13 The Messiah has been sighted.
EDIT: Chris Morris not Logan Paul!
Glad to see you’re still making videos!
I think this is all the power of editing. If you add an epic sound track and some sharp edits to footage from the house of commons BBC: Parliament viewership would 10X
I love Stu doing a philomena cunk voice for every character
I should have looked at the thumbnail. That way the appearance of _that thing_ wouldn't have startled me.
It's easy to forget that the 1st UK series of Big Brother was 5 x 30mins per week. Since it was filmed 24/7 with multiple cameras, people who were chosen to be confrontational, crammed into a house where they couldn't escape, of course they had plenty of conflict to fill the time. 'Modern' reality TV has fewer cameras, filming only some of the time, with people who know when the cameras aren't there, so you are going to get boring conversations. However as long as people watch it, TV companies will make it... This week on "Watching Paint Dry" Samantha has applied some crackle glaze to a French dresser...
Thank goodness for the Seven Up documentaries.
Probably because in part, the producers can't be bothered to find people with even basic intelligence (to the point where Russell Howard once showed a Love Island clip where one of the women thought that Brexit meant we wouldn't have any trees... or cheese I couldn't make it out because of the accent).
As a yank it seems like reality TV has really disappeared from the pop culture zeitgeist in the last decade. Seems to be much more popular across the pond as you discuss here but American reality TV feels like it has zero cultural presence anymore
I found myself enjoying series 2 of the US version of the circle. Not my usual kind of thing but was interesting to see how people would act and what persona they would use when no one knew who they where.
Apart from that the apprentice is the only one I really watch
I wanna know Stuart’s take on Drag Race
Was Naked and Afraid the inspiration for Naked and Without Clothes On?
Yeah I first tried it when I was doing research (yes it was research) for that video about Naked attraction
............research!!!
Had my subscription at "Name Unknown"
8:13 That thing's just hiding out from the Doom Slayer, I swear!
not a fan of all the specialty cable channels, or the regular ones, having some reality show either exploiting human lives, or bragging about how much better a celebrity's life is than yours. Turn to A&E, there's a reality show. Turn to TLC, reality show. Turn to MTV, _definitely_ a reality show. Even Cartoon Network got some reality shows. In the 90s, you wanted music, you go to MTV, you wanted movies, you go to any movie channel. I hated seeing reality tv be so common in my 20s after seeing a wealth of top notch programming in my teens. I think the biggest factor is over-abundance, but there's also the humans-suffering-for-entertainment factor as well. With the millennium being as it was with war and sexism and pretty much a complete reversal of what was normal back then, and all these depressing things happening in the news every single day it seems... yeah, the humans-suffering part adds onto it.
And many people in the 90s hated The Real World and Road Rules anyway, when they just wanted more music. So seeing reality tv everywhere was frustrating.
My parents love watching Growing Up Hip Hop, and it’s soooo boring. It’s just kinda famous people complaining about shit that I don’t care about. I have to leave the room every time. I don’t mind Real Housewives though.
The issue is, it’s just background noise, it’s something you throw on whilst scrolling through Twitter. It’s not meant to have any real meat, it’s more like an expensive Kabab, yeah it looks nice, but it’s probably made out of styrofoam and tastes like dishwater, but people go because it looks nice.
Do you remember in that one Doctor who episode (curse of the black spot) where Amy goes “someone who have everything and look nice, can be as dull as a prick when it comes to personality, but if Rory’s personality was drawn on his face he would be the most handsome person ever” (something like that) basically what I am saying is sometimes if something looks nice doesn’t mean it always is, sometimes if you look at something conventionally unattractive you may find something a bit more interesting. But audiences can’t let go of pretty people having the sex.
Also most of it is all staged and if you look at it like that, a drama, you can see it doesn’t hold up well as a well directed/acted/ edited drama. It’s all fake you know
Is this in the Class canon 😳
He is everywhere - he has his own TV network too
Can we really get better reality tv than Dead Set?
Also, mad question but have you ever seen Year of the Sex Olympics? It's a British dystopian teleplay from the 60s where pornography is easily available in order to keep the populations birth rates down because we're becoming overcrowded... but the effect is wearing off. Some producer then makes up a series where a bunch of normal people are stuck on an island and people tune in to watch them.... Has a twist ending so I don't want to spoil it, but Nigel Kneale was PROBABLY more cynical than all of us combined because this was an idea he had in the 60s
Chris Morris cameo 2:13
I will not hear a bad word against Made in Chelsea. Do what you want with the rest 😂
P:S This was your funniest video in ages!
Much love to my favourite TH-camr
Reality Show idea: Made in Gallifrey.
If he's looking for something closer to bbc parliament he should definitely watch geordie shore
Have you seen/thoughts on the show Total Drama?
Red vs Blue is the greatest reality show of all time.
I think you're actually ignoring the biggest problem with many reality TV shows: That they are made for humiliating vulnerable people and promoting harmful stereotypes.
I’m starting to think that Name Unknown isn’t a real person.
I must be seeing things...or hearing things.
Some of these are just mindless noise. Shitty, but don't bother me. But Gordon Ramsay, even though I know his show is fake, makes me furious. All he does is scream, all the restaurant owners do is scream, the music is acting like making a souffle is on level with disarming a small nuclear device. I get turning your mind off and watching dull people chit chat. But why people enjoy hearing a man-child scream at someone who will then scream at him, until they cry and fix everything in the last two minutes just boggles the mind
Speaking as someone who used to watch Kitchen Nightmares all the time... I don't know. It's just the sort of show where you watch a clip of it and have suddenly watched every episode. I think it's just that somewhere, deep down, everyone likes seeing arseholes get shouted at.
@@jedisalsohere yeah h I get that. My problem may be that I see Gordon Ramsay as the biggest asshole, so I'll never be satisfied
I always prefer Marco Pierre White than Ramsay.
There are two shows which I enjoy that I think count as reality TV, the main problem, is that they also count as game shows (Taskmaster and Hunted). And the more I think about it, many reality shows are just game shows, Big Brother and I'm a cel... blah blah blah... here.) So would it be fair to say all game shows are in the reality show umbrella?
I hadn't even considered pestering you yet.
Yeah but, is Essex a continent?
Yes that is canon in the Essexverse
Am I just lucky
but I don't think I have seen
TOWIE, Made in Chelsea or Love Island
having left Britain before these low budget horrors
were more than a gleam in their producer's eyes.
I didn't even watch Big Brother beyond the first season
when it became clear a good strategy was sitting tight
and not doing the drama stuff.
5:02 is that George takei when was he on I’m a celebrity
I know I'm watching thi video very late, but I want to recommend to Stubagful and all of you to watch The Genius. It is a reality show, but it's very different from what "reality" means to us. It's a very brainy and compelling korean game show that literally destroy your brain for how clever it is edited.
If anyone is interested, I watched it on bilibili.
Hope Stubagful will like it.
Have you ever seen Hardy Bucks Stu?
I did really enjoy shipwrecked
See I can't enjoy reality TV unironically, I'm only interested in watching that if someone's doing commentary alongside, pointing out how trash all of it is
is "nathan for you" a reality show? if so, that's the only one i like :D but yeah, i feel like maybe what you're getting at is the lack of conflict or characters or story structures in real life? a good concept and good editing can certainly make a story out of raw material like that, though if people are content to watch hours of lazily compiled nothings, then the tv execs aren't gonna invest money in good editors or riskier concepts.
I don’t really get it either. Then again I love watching atrocious tv and movies so I can’t really judge.
You pull off female voices far better than I imagined.
Here because of jay
Jay is bae
Watch the movie "Old"
Quite new.
Reality TV is for people who basically do not know how to use a computer or phone to obtain the media they would rather be watching. I could argue for the slight appeal of b-d list celebrities bickering but other than that i cannot see an appeal that would put it past just watching porn.
0:03 Why are random letters in bold here? Mar *_r_* ied A *_t_* F *_i_* rst Sig *_h_* t A *_u_* stralia
amazing ngl
Is it weird that I wanna see some asexual representation on these Made in X and Love Island shows?
Two minutes of content in an hour of footage? As an American who doesn't get sports, that sounds like football. American football. It seems to be almost entirely people standing around. You might see that there's something like 30 seconds left in the game, but that's a lie -- that 30 seconds is chopped up into tiny pieces and it's stretched into 30 minutes of mostly boring, pointless idling.
i hate reality shows because i hate reality
The the bacteria parliament Fortnite throw table cashew rabbit piss Fortnite bacteria and. The
Reality is so bad, why make a tv show about it?
Is it too soon to call the entire format a "toxic cultural influence"? At least the sensationalist boner type of programmes
All modern TV is crap. I pulled the plug last year and haven't regretted it once.
Happy for you, but this seems a bit reductive. It's like seeing all the slush-pile crap that counts as 'bestselling' these days and deciding 'all modern books are shit'.