There is an entire era of great boxers who get forgotten because they came after the 4 Kings and before the heavyweight division exploded. There are many seriously great boxers of the time.
Terrible Tim is one of my favourite HW’s. The first HW title fight I watched was him against Bruno. He had the potential to be a great HW champion but Don King and laziness got in the way. He was still world class. If Tim and Pinklon were right outside the ring, I think they would have been the only two HW’s around to give a peak Tyson a real fight. My favorite quote about Tim was when a writer was talking about Tim’s skill and technique he said something like “he doesn’t just know the ropes, he wove them.” He was lucky to have a great trainer like Slim Jim but Tim was all class
Great choice, Rich. Spoon was very good and all-too-often forgotten in discussions of the best heavyweights of the last forty years. Don King absolutely sucked the wind out of his career, far more than any opponent he faced in the ring. He could have been so much more.
Man I loved the Spoon. Such a nice guy out of the ring and a dangerous guy in the ring. He had a lot of trouble on his mind with King bk then that stinted his even more potential I think. Could have been more than he was. Remember him coming over to England to give Bruno a brutal beating in a tough fight for both fighters. Bruno was in great shape as always and Tim not so much but it was his ring savvy and ring exsperience that made him win that big fight. Tim became popular over in the UK training former IBF light heavyweight Clinton Woods 🥊
Tim had such great old school technique, a great all round pro. I always thought a motivated & well trained Witherspoon would have given a young Tyson nightmares.
Spoon’s lawsuits with King ruined his career. Even though Tim won in court, it kept him out of the picture for any real shot at any title held by a Don King fighter. Didn’t matter what he did. I thought Tim’s fight against Mercer was a really underrated hard fought battle, if you haven’t seen it before, go watch it.
Mike Williams survived the dangerous right hand of Witherspoon but it was a close fight. Mike Williams looked great until he was stopped by Buster Douglas.
Terrible Tim had to be one of the most duped and hookwinked Champions in boxing history. Its good to know he at least is doing relatively fine today and has an active presence online. Was wondering Rich if you thought the James Smith vs Tim Witherspoon II match was fixed or was Tim just caught cold? Personally for me he was likely caught cold in the wrong headspace, it probably has to be one of the most disheartening things to be being payed a 1/10th of a usual Champions salary and still live in an apartment.
I don't think it was fixed, no. Witherspoon wasn't in the proper frame of mind, in the first fight with Bonecrusher you can see he's clearly the better fighter.
I recall a story of Tommy Morrison scheduled to fight Williams. Arum went up to see Williams in a room during fight-week and suspected he was freebasing. He then later refused to take a drug test, leading to a hastily-arranged bout with Tim Tomashek.
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Tim was ruthless Sonny Liston like but a gentleman remember how Darrell Wilson was out cold on the ropes frozen and he held back from really slugging him out I checked that out yeah he was distracted against Bone crusher in the second fight and King told the bone jump on em but Terrible T was a solid fighter to watch he got the job done!
Rich, you have the best boxing channel on TH-cam. Your videos are excellently researched and edited with great narration throughout. I particularly like your documentaries on boxers lives and careers( many of which I have watched numerous times).... you should have 2 million subscribers at least... perhaps you should remind viewers to subscribe and like at the start of your videos.... Thanks for the many hours of viewing pleasure from your long-time subscriber ,Alan from Ireland 🇮🇪
@RichtheFightHistorian Thank you Rich , and I hope your channel grows to a level that you are well rewarded financially. My only wish is that you never lose the essence and authenticity of your work as your channel grows. And also not too many advertisements 😄..
it was ALL Don King's doing. Witherspoon was virtually the ONLY big fighter of the time Tyson didn't fight. King new that Tyson didn't need Witherspoon and Tim was a big threat to Tyson's win streak.
Mmmm as much as I love fighters and Witherspoon they all ways come up the an excuse of not getting the guy out of there with a cold or an injury . Give Williams his probs here he did well and really pushed Tim hard in this fight. That fight could have been ruled a draw 🥊
Not sure if you know this, but tim does a youtube boxing show with another gentleman named tim. I believe its tim and tim boxing or something. I know Bruce vain boxing channel has him on their panel from time to time. He looks good. Give him a look. I'll try to find the channel for a better name descrptip
I don't understand why fighters today can't fight as good.all these kids think today's fighters are the best .these older fighters woulda beat the shit out these guys today .even though you have all these huge guys now .good fight rich .you the man!
I think the 40s 50s had the toughest fighters .some tough even earlier but the boxing of guys in the 40s would have been to much for earlier fighters.dempsey Marciano woulda been a banger.love your show Rich.made me live boxing again brother
Tim was so fundamentally sound and had one of the best if not the best overhand right Ive seen.. One of the better heavyweights of his time
Fantastic heavyweight Tim Witherspoon very tough and skilful.
There is an entire era of great boxers who get forgotten because they came after the 4 Kings and before the heavyweight division exploded. There are many seriously great boxers of the time.
Terrible Tim is one of my favourite HW’s. The first HW title fight I watched was him against Bruno. He had the potential to be a great HW champion but Don King and laziness got in the way. He was still world class. If Tim and Pinklon were right outside the ring, I think they would have been the only two HW’s around to give a peak Tyson a real fight. My favorite quote about Tim was when a writer was talking about Tim’s skill and technique he said something like “he doesn’t just know the ropes, he wove them.” He was lucky to have a great trainer like Slim Jim but Tim was all class
Great choice, Rich. Spoon was very good and all-too-often forgotten in discussions of the best heavyweights of the last forty years. Don King absolutely sucked the wind out of his career, far more than any opponent he faced in the ring. He could have been so much more.
Tim was such a great fighter. People forget how tough he really was.
Man I loved the Spoon. Such a nice guy out of the ring and a dangerous guy in the ring. He had a lot of trouble on his mind with King bk then that stinted his even more potential I think. Could have been more than he was.
Remember him coming over to England to give Bruno a brutal beating in a tough fight for both fighters. Bruno was in great shape as always and Tim not so much but it was his ring savvy and ring exsperience that made him win that big fight.
Tim became popular over in the UK training former IBF light heavyweight Clinton Woods 🥊
Tim had such great old school technique, a great all round pro. I always thought a motivated & well trained Witherspoon would have given a young Tyson nightmares.
Spoon’s lawsuits with King ruined his career. Even though Tim won in court, it kept him out of the picture for any real shot at any title held by a Don King fighter. Didn’t matter what he did.
I thought Tim’s fight against Mercer was a really underrated hard fought battle, if you haven’t seen it before, go watch it.
It was and I thought Tim won that by two rounds but he got cheated.
Tim overhand was a sledgehammer
You see it break the jaw of that Drago lookalike? No
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@@geraldfriend256 Anders Ekulund was the “drago lookalike”. I probably butchered the spelling of that name.
They showed a clip of Terrible Tim overhand right with that big "Drago Lookalike" on the movie The Great White Hype
This was a really good win at the time
Mike Williams survived the dangerous right hand of Witherspoon but it was a close fight. Mike Williams looked great until he was stopped by Buster Douglas.
Terrible Tim had to be one of the most duped and hookwinked Champions in boxing history. Its good to know he at least is doing relatively fine today and has an active presence online.
Was wondering Rich if you thought the James Smith vs Tim Witherspoon II match was fixed or was Tim just caught cold? Personally for me he was likely caught cold in the wrong headspace, it probably has to be one of the most disheartening things to be being payed a 1/10th of a usual Champions salary and still live in an apartment.
I don't think it was fixed, no. Witherspoon wasn't in the proper frame of mind, in the first fight with Bonecrusher you can see he's clearly the better fighter.
@@RichtheFightHistorian, appreciate the feedback. You think anything caused his loss to Pinklon Thomas or did Pinky just have his number that night?
@@alpha_trooper8187 I think it was Thomas' night.
great Rich please keep them coming appreciate all your hard work it takes to make these great documentaries.
Thank you, Kim, will do.
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1975 - early 90’s was the golden era of heavyweight boxing.
I recall a story of Tommy Morrison scheduled to fight Williams. Arum went up to see Williams in a room during fight-week and suspected he was freebasing. He then later refused to take a drug test, leading to a hastily-arranged bout with Tim Tomashek.
@bennylevine Could even have been freebasing with Tommy. That shit wrecked a lot of lives.
Yes. They were scheduled to fight in real life. Saw that in the liner notes of Rocky V
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I remember the rumors of him knocking Tyson down in sparring. I thought he had a shot against Tim. Watched this back when I had a descrambler.
Ah, I remember the days of the descramblers, haha.
Gotta love the 1990s 😂. No descrambler here. Gotta put a chip in that box
It's the champ back at it the undisputed documentary champion and boxing Historian non like rich this man puts his time hard work into these super great documentaries for us the viewers rich you are a true asset to the world of boxing 🥊 💯 🥊
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@@RichtheFightHistorian always rich 💙
When I saw Buster Douglas repeatedly drop Williams with booming left jabs, my thoughts were “this guy might give Tyson some problems “
Id love to hear Tim Witherspoon comment on this since he's pretty active on youtube nowadays.
seriously they are rumours about this man knocking tyson down in sparring ?? i never heard about it !!
Witherspoon was just too nice. He didn't have the killer instinct and then King screwed him and he just didn't care anymore
Tim was ruthless Sonny Liston like but a gentleman remember how Darrell Wilson was out cold on the ropes frozen and he held back from really slugging him out I checked that out yeah he was distracted against Bone crusher in the second fight and King told the bone jump on em but Terrible T was a solid fighter to watch he got the job done!
Terrible Tim with that right hand ' can opener' yeah! 😊
Rich I would appreciate if you could make a video on the golden age of flyweights (1960's - late 1970's).
Rich, you have the best boxing channel on TH-cam. Your videos are excellently researched and edited with great narration throughout. I particularly like your documentaries on boxers lives and careers( many of which I have watched numerous times).... you should have 2 million subscribers at least... perhaps you should remind viewers to subscribe and like at the start of your videos.... Thanks for the many hours of viewing pleasure from your long-time subscriber ,Alan from Ireland 🇮🇪
Thanks so much, Alan. I'll post reminders about subscribing in subsequent videos.
@RichtheFightHistorian Thank you Rich , and I hope your channel grows to a level that you are well rewarded financially. My only wish is that you never lose the essence and authenticity of your work as your channel grows. And also not too many advertisements 😄..
That ref pulls them apart with ease 😳😳
Would have loved to see Williams vs Evert Martin
Good fight that 👍
Mike if you run across this message give a call this melanthius you trained me when I was a teenager
Dunno why Tyson didn't fight Witherspoon, probably don kings doing.
it was ALL Don King's doing. Witherspoon was virtually the ONLY big fighter of the time Tyson didn't fight. King new that Tyson didn't need Witherspoon and Tim was a big threat to Tyson's win streak.
Mmmm as much as I love fighters and Witherspoon they all ways come up the an excuse of not getting the guy out of there with a cold or an injury .
Give Williams his probs here he did well and really pushed Tim hard in this fight. That fight could have been ruled a draw 🥊
Not sure if you know this, but tim does a youtube boxing show with another gentleman named tim. I believe its tim and tim boxing or something. I know Bruce vain boxing channel has him on their panel from time to time. He looks good. Give him a look. I'll try to find the channel for a better name descrptip
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Tim got robbed against Mercer.. just saying
I don't understand why fighters today can't fight as good.all these kids think today's fighters are the best .these older fighters woulda beat the shit out these guys today .even though you have all these huge guys now .good fight rich .you the man!
I think the 40s 50s had the toughest fighters .some tough even earlier but the boxing of guys in the 40s would have been to much for earlier fighters.dempsey Marciano woulda been a banger.love your show Rich.made me live boxing again brother