dude the main people who are going to really study that interview are going to be the cheat programmers. let valve cook for CS2. I do want a valve response for TF2, though. TF2 is becoming unplayable on Valve servers even for casual players, it's a shame because TF2 is a gem.
@@shouygui4955 They don't have to give out too much inside information. I would be interested to know what their opinion is on the topic. Whether they are aware of how bad the cheater problem is in matchmaking. Why there is so much hesitation in banning. Why no new anti cheat comes out like in valorant. I just can't understand why more isn't being done or why they are so quiet about it.
same here, switched over to Faceit and the experience is 10x better. makes me enjoy it again because the matches are fair and almost no cheaters, you should try it.
I'm one of those people that usually give people the benefit of doubt if they're cheating unless its entirely blatent. but holy fuck, the amount of tiny cheats that make you look "legit" really makes me question everything now.
Congrats man, now you know how an average prime GE match was. Generally there was at least one subtle cheater per team who didn't check any corners but was always positioned right and was hitting all of his running shots and sprays with no recoil. Fun thing is that despite that subtle cheating they would still lose if enemy player hit that 1st bullet or naded him every round.
@@sp33dou I was sitting in 22K and every match after Jan 4th (after an update) went to complete dogshit when climbing before that update was easy as hell
if someone is half decent at the game u will never recognise theyre cheatings because they dont need to have strong settings , u only notice the bots who cheat
Yeah you zoomers are dumb af. 90% of cheaters are using humanized aimbots.. they look incredibly natural. People who are already good at the game know how to hide walls as well, purposely make mistakes.. etc.
@@leviwilder1205 You got to 22k? I'm stuck at 10k now because the lower ranks are full of people with walls who can't aim for shit. The other team seems to full stack on your site every round on CT, and when you watch the demos back they're just blatantly staring at you cross-map through a wall at round start to decide which site to go to.
@@arkfaks6778 skin changers are common and are in alot of internals right now. They need to write to the games memory so alot of 'legit' cheats that aim to stay undetected do not have it as it may effect trust factor if the game detects an unknown write which increases changes of detection of the actually binary and so on
Within an hour their X announces emergency hotfix is already en route. Two hours in they issue the patch and calling it "Patched game breaking exploit". Then they don't count to 3.
people that actually know what they are doing are intelligent enough not to do a interview. The sad part is that the anticheat is so bad that script kiddies can just copy paste code and add some random text and that already works to break the anti cheat
Yeah lmao, only valve employees know anything about this subject. Everything here is speculation to get views by showing cheats on a big channel. Passing this as “news” is a complete joke and embarrassment for this channel.
Please could you set up a counter-strike strike where as many people as possible dont play the game untill Valve officially says and outlines their plans for combatting cheaters?
Valve has like 2 months before I think a massive portion of the player base leaves. Premier above 15k is almost unplayable with cheaters in 1/3 games. Comp is a waste of time because the ELO reset causes matches to be wildly uncompetitive. API sites have not detected a SINGLE player hitting Global in Comp yet because the single map ELO system is completely broken.
I reported a russian female twitch streamer that teams up with a cheater to boost their lowskill up to 20k. I have video evidence and steam profiles verified but no one seems to be interested in banning those 5 cheaters
i still do not get it why we got the solo map ranks but the "old ones" and the new system with the points ... and yeah single map elo is broken do not work at all
@@sakulugh I'm fine with the single map rating system. The formula for ELO has a "K-Factor" variable which is just a multiplier on how much you can gain/lose. If they just upped the K-Factor value from Silver to DMG, it would solve the problem of Gold Nova games having anywhere from 5k to 20k premier players in them.
Quit bitching about cheaters they arent in that many matches you guys just suck at cs and cry everytime someone wide swings your angle you sit at every single round
After what i just watched, i want to vomit to all Valve's Employees. They made tons of money from that fucking game. They squeezed our pockets and continue doing that through their market place. At least they could something to get more people interested in that game. SO FROM TODAY I AM OUT! I am really OUT. Thank you sparkles for all this good job you have done!
I think It will work because money is the most important factor, and if a major portion of the community stops giving valve money then they have to do something.
Sparkles... You are one of the biggest CS TH-camrs. Can't you, perhaps together with Ohne or for example GabeFollower, put some pressure on Valve to do an interview? Together you reach millions of people. Let them explain to us where things stand with VAC. Things are getting more and more out of hand.
@@gizmo2902 They are allready know how to stay undetected. Like this video it seems that the cheaters everytimes stays one feet ahead then Valve does. Over the past last years Valve has collected so much data of cheats, members that cheats that they should be enable to launch a good working VAC-system. They said it before the launch of CS2. The launch is now months in the past and the cheat-problem is getting worse day by day. Valve is starting to lose money because people are quiting with Counter-Strike. That's more money then holding the problem with cheaters and let them pay everytime for a new account. Constant players will deliver more money then cheater-accounts.
Get real. It is MONEY. Valve won’t lose money just because you want to have good experience in their game. New VAC is day zero and it will happen when game is going to die slowly as it is.
@@niexyr Game won't die. Maybe sometimes it seems that way, but it won't. And it never will... the community is to big and to hard. But the community is also strong. That's why i think 'the big boys' maybe can arrange something if they stand side by side.
His argument is that Valve is earning a lot of money because of cheaters. They have to buy accounts in order to play/cheat. However, you should also take in account that a lot of people stopped playing CS because of those same cheaters. My guess is that they miss out on way more money this way. Almost all of my friends have stopped playing CS because of the poor experience you get when playing the game right now.
You can sell any inventory of valve for real money at anytime So skins won't make anyone stay People are just waiting another month or two for hopes of new content, after that i can see people bail out on cs2 very hard
check statistics, playerbase size is absolutely the same as before cs2 release, meaning some old players left, new come, but money for valve is the same. also prime accounts are cheaper in those countries where people usually create bot accounts and hunt for case drops, which they resell on market and make real profit
I've spent over 7000 hours of my life on csgo/cs2. Thats nearly 1 solid year dedicated to cs. 1/28 of my life so far. I played for my university in csl and some lower tier circuits, and im not playing another game until valve addresses cheating. I email them often with an updated list of cheats that there is literally a subreddit for and they never reply. Why should i give another second to a company that does not value loyalty and commitment.
The financial incentive argument never makes sense to me. For them to make money off a cheater, they must ban the cheater. So I don't see the conflict of interest.
I don’t even blame the cheaters at this point. In fact, I hope as many cheats as possible. Maybe Valve will wake up one day. I have stopped playing premier. Faceit has a lot nicer experience.
I love that in these hacker interviews Sparkles always has his "i'm talking to cheaters" voice. It's slower, lower and less emphatic. haha, funny stuff
cheat src from uc, deadcell ui from github 💀 also my guy acted like sound esp is unique and no other external has it... mf i had it before the game even released to the public fym lol
I am 35yo and started playing CS 1.3. I quit playing like a year after CS Source was released and I just quit because there was so many cheaters that something that was supposed to be fun was not anymore. But I always kept an eye on the scene and 3 years ago I started playing again for fun and NOTHING has changed in all those years. So sad seeing Valve not moving a finger about this issue.
The Cheating is getting worse and worse day by day, hope you can show us more of these insides, so we know better and Valve hopefully wake up one Day and start doing something about this!
@@ziga226 How can you be so sure? This issue is not a CS2 issue, but a CS issue. They didn't fix the problem in 12 years and you think they will fix it now? Why? The only reason you saw less cheaters in CS GO was purely because of overwatch. But before overwatch there were A LOT of cheaters. Now they removed overwatch which is why you see more of them but the cheating problem was always a big problem in CS. So, no, they will not fix the issue in one year. You are a new player this is why you believe that.
Yes not a dev hes a loser doesn’t understand cheats as much as he thinks 😂 some of the shit he said isn’t even right, valve needs to stop being lazy and add kernel its so fucking simple to add
My theory is that the game is already heavy resource based, if an extra anti cheat comes, it will ruin performance even more and 20% of the player base or even more, would not be able to launch/run the game properly having fps issues, especially with an AI anti cheat
Here is a short story: Played CS GO long time ago, with release of CS2 some of my friends jumped into it as soon as possible (return). I did not, but after few months I said, "why not, could be fun with friends like in old times". Rejoined some CS servers and "revived" some online friendships along the way. And it felt good to use skins from past days that were just sitting in my inventory. Elo: Silver - Prime account Match one Dust 2 map: Since I did not play very long time my aim,sprey control, co-ordination was very poor. I struggled to get kill or even throw nades/flashes. Often would fail and was on bottom of scoreboard. Enemy team had a dude who went 35+ frags and managed to get kills through smoke and door. Idk if he cheated or not (for that) but I did not report since there are many players who played on that map 10+years and luck can happen. But HS ratio was 100% - hmmmm. Possible cheater who had great time imo. Match 2 Mirage map: During that match I had internet problems and did not use team chat but rather Discord with my friend (snow storm in area). I was lagging whole match (well half match but we will get to that). I was at the bottom of frags, and doing 300 less dmg than rest of my team. I played - again- poorly. Then, puff, I get kicked out of match half way into with unable to re connect back. Took me 5 min to notice my game was under ban. (my duo friend told me match got terminated and that was their message on screen). I did not recive VAC or anything like that but actual GAME ban from Devs. I was so confused. I did not use cheats, I was not toxic (did not even use team chat) so I did not know what was the reason. Now, I got kicked from almost every server and got a tag "Cheater/Do not play with etc". Even if I tryed to defend myself and say that is a false ban, everyone would say: You got ban, you are cheater, another one bites the dust, no excuse anti cheat works, you were reported and got service etc." I did appeal to the ban. Got an email (automatic) that my case was reviewed and that there is nothing I can do. 7 days after my ban was removed. No explenation, no apology nothing. My though? Its possible I got ban from my lag since some others have, or was my Nvidia software that was still not fixed by Valve side. I did not even want to try to get back into CS again since damage was done and I felt hurt no one belived me. So I just unistall it and sold all my skins. Will never play that game again.
I think phone number verification anyways needs to come back and perhaps also ID/passport verification, I think that would reduce the number of cheaters drastically, why is no one talking about it?
It is better than doing nothing. It would deter a lot of people from doing it undoubtedly. He is correct. It won't stop all of them, but it would help a little. @@gr1ndywho
i've been in the world of warcraft community and have seen some insane corpo simping but with counter strike i don't think i can say the same at all, i think it's generally pretty unianimous in the opinion that valve is absolutely dropping the ball here.
As someone who used to grind premier solo queue and has a love for the game… this really hurts to watch… it truly is eye opening aswell. It makes a lot of sense with this cheat dev’s explanation why valve hasn’t done anything. Valve is a rich company … and their connection to the community has been broken for a long time. This video honestly made me lose all faith in MM might go to faceit I suppose 🤷♂️
I think I quit yesterday, it was demoralizing. The reason being is the fact that I started watching demos of previous games I played. It’s worse than you and I ever thought.
imo when cs2 was released when i got placed in 2k premier i had the most fun. People in the lobby admired my 12k inventory, I was top fragging 40 kills+ a game. Felt like a god. Until i got into 15-17k premier then i realized what a shit show cs2 is in. Let me go back to the 2k lobbies those are my kind of shit.
This is proof just like many other competitive shooters that you have a cheater in EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Even if you don't notice it because it isn't blatant, you have at least 1 person using wallhacks in your game. When will companies take this more seriously because I am getting real tired of feeling there is literally no point in playing competitive fps games anymore because it is never legit even matchmaking.
Valve JUST recently banned over 40k cheaters. I was/am as frustrasted as anyone else. My time is precious to me, and I don't want to waste it playing cheaters. But I do believe they learned everything they possibly could before the ban wave. The new shot detection range is a great step in the right direction.
Overwatch was probably the best anti-cheat cs ever had. It was also nice that at some point they rewarded people who were consistently accurately reporting cheaters there.
Loved the video Sparkles. Yesterday it happened something really weird I even recorded it. I was playing deathmatch and there was one player that had AI movement and all his moves looked really weird so I went to spectate him and when I was watching him playing he stopped moving he went afk and when I choosed other player to spectate he suddently started playing again. Really weird.
well that is a xp farming account for drops. it is programmed to behave like a bot, but doesnt have wallhack or anything, just playing like an extreme bot whenever a player gets in their field of view, then they automatically shoot the player in an expert bot way which can be annoying because expert bots can lock your head in an instant. So yeah that is cheating as well
@@ADRIANOS259 there's actual cheat programs that tell you how many and who is spectating you too . so if someone is trying to catch you cheating you can stop doing it
Already quit the game because of the cheaters. Had +4 years of pause since CS:GO but there is literally no way I'm motivated enough to play against cheaters every second game that I play. Good stuff you're doing these videos - hope for the change for better...
thats the main issue with cs2 imo. Its not the movement, the sprays, the bugs, people can overlook those issues if cs2 had something like vanguard. People want to have a fair match while they wait cs2 to be fixed but if cs2 is broken on top of cheaters people will quit like myself.
@@Astelch 100% agreed. I don't mind if the game is broken for everyone really. But if you're against hackers every second game, it's not fair and therefore easy to lose motivation to play. Wouldn't want to play Faceit all the time, would be nice to able to play premier with the boys too, but it is atm unplayable. Can't play a single game with 25k rating without a cheater on the opposite team.
i'm sorry for anyone who thinks this is a competent cheat dev. his solution to how they could go about combating cheats and comparing it to blocking a phone number speaks for itself, that guy's is lucky to know his name, because otherwise he really doesn't know anything.
An important thing to highlight is how i felt watching this video. When he demonstrated the sound ESP, i literally thought to myself 'i could use that.' Which is insane to me, primarily because if you can come across that legit in a game of premier, then that means that the percentage chance of you playing against a cheaters who have a similar mentality (even if you end up winning the game or top-fragging) is still extremely high. To think legit cheating has come so far, that it would be extremely difficult to tell the difference between a closet cheater and a real player is ridiculous. I am lost for words honestly. Not to miss the fact that it's suddenly obvious to me why cheating is so rampant: 1. Cheat developers make bank 2. There is a demand because if you are cheated against, naturally, a part of you, regardless of how noble, will want to cheat back. There are 602 comments on this video at this current time, would it be fair to assume that at-least 10% of you are cheaters, or more perhaps? Especially if even i, watching this video, was totally shocked by how well made they are.
I've taken that Escape From Tarkov wiggle video as a general guide for how many people actually cheat in popular FPS's. What was the percentage? Something like 50-60% of matches had at least one confirmed cheater or something? And they weren't aim-botting generally, they just had quiet cheats like wallhacks and all the other stuff that gave them advantages.
@@redneckedcrake7059 there was no % of how many raids have cheaters, just a personal experience. with G0ats video the estimate maxes out at 20% of raids having a cheater with a more likely case being 10%, depends on how many raids are actually happening since there are no official numbers of the playerbase
You know what is crazy? A Cheater creator knows to fix the CS problem but Valve, who owns the game don't... or like he said, they know but don't want to fix it because it's not lucrative enough to do it
not most, barely any. there is a public and private 20$ a month cheat that are the top of the game pretty much. Free cheats containing malware are common but even those can be found for free. although they will ban if you dont use a good injector and or compile it yourself
Hey Sparkles, Let's stand up against Valve and not play matchmaking games unless and until they fix this cheaters issue. We should put pressure on Valve because let's be real they are not gonna fix the game until there would be financial loss. We need to stop this non-sense. They can fix the game but they are not. Anything is freaking possible look at valorant, don't their devs are working hard to get rid of cheaters. Why can't valve do. My mind is so fucked from last two weeks because I am finding cheaters in 8 out of 10 games. I know it's a big ask but we as a community have to stop playing CS2 UNTIL THE GAME IS OUT OF CHEATERS. We don't deserve to get treated by valve after purchasing a game like this. This game has so much potential to be the best game but cheaters and Valve are ruining this experience for us. Let's stand up for ourself because we deserve a good experience after purchasing and playing CS2 !!!
If valve wanted they could ban 99% of cheaters tomorrow. Im a game dev myself and so much stuff that those cheaters are doing is trivial to detect. No spread, bhopping, trigger bots, Shooting through the map, shooting the entire mag at once, skin changing, not rendering smokes etc. is all stuff that could be detected with 2 lines of code on a server side check. Battlefield 1942 from 22 years ago had some of those server side checks that cs2 is still missing today. I have it on good authority that valve is making a lot of money selling their own cheats and source code so they will never do anything about cheating.
if valve would be able to do it, they would. Legit players spend a lot on cases, market transaction fees, operations, major stickers... they wont believe the drop in revenue this cheating era will bring them. I havent spent a dollar since we obligatory changed to cheating-strike 2.
@scardera you opening a case for 3 bucks and getting a skin worth 2 buck means valve made one buck. A cheater that buys a 2 buck skin and gets banned means valve makes 2 bucks. Not think how manny blatant cheaters run around with thousands in skins. Valve makes more monney of cheaters than legit players, if they didn't they wouldn't allow it.
as a member of cheating scene since 2017, i will say that valve has no won cheats. There are a handful of cheats from mostly russian developers. All other cheats are pasted. I think they benefit of cheaters bc most of them buy prime! And the HvH scene in commutnity servers is huge. They push the numbers of people playin
This "cheat dev" is just showing you copy and pasted code from a website. He doesn't actually have any in depth knowledge on the problem and possible solutions.
It’s possible that they are currently training an AI anticheat, which would explain why they have done nothing so far. They need as much training data as possible
Or they are doing nothing just like for the past 12 years, also making ai ac would require people that know a lot about ai - valve workers are gamedevs etc, nothing even close to ai field
from my experience (top 1% premier solo queue to 22k+) the cheating is not as pronounced as people think. I've had 5-6 games with/against cheaters out of ~100 which were game changing. for example, it's possible there were games in which players were using a smooth aim (without esp) but since they're so intrinsically bad that the assistance only leveled them to a regular high level player which basically is irrelevant.
Idk, I can probably not even tell when someone is cheating when there are all of these subtle cheats... I play 22K+ too and it's such a mixed bag of aimers, actual smart players, noobs and possible cheaters. I often meme in competitive now because I don't care about the outcome of those games. The skill differences there are even worse lmao
@@ubesaaa I just play premier as a warm up these days. It’s not fun to grind to top 100 because people will just think you’re cheating. Also solo queueing to top 1% is a lot harder than playing in stacks. Solo queue 22k = 30k in a stack
I dont see any point on playing premier when faceit is much better every way. At lvl 10 i got no cheaters and back in days at lower elo i never had problems either.
@@juuso4148 fairly obvious answer is a game should have an inherent anticheat/matchmaking in place as there’s an entry barrier for most non-competitive players to install a separate client and compete in 3rd party ladders. CS is literally the only game that’s played these days with this problem so for players that play multiple games it would seem silly
i actually ran into a cheater using something like this yesterday i had to watch him at .25x speed on the demo to notice the aim wasnt natural mouse movements.
@@lilganja1337 the player in the demo when toggled off his mouse barely moves like he didnt account for recoil or anything. as soon as its within a small like 1 ft ingame radius of the player it was an instantaneous perfect snap to the exact same point on the top middle of the head. it wasnt a mouse movement.
I've playe around 20+ games since coming back to the game with better pc and i don't think i've seen any cheaters in these games.. Went from 7k to 10k with these games..I guess there are not many cheaters at lower levels..I'll seen when i get to 20k how it feels.. On the other hand, Wingman is damn infested...
when i was uner 15-18k, i didnt see any cheaters or maybe couple of them only... near and over 20k its different story, every premier game is sus... eather its cheater or game being broken, cant tell
yah for me it is around 15-20k range , they do a good job hiding it but once they start loosing they will go into rage mode and then it becomes clear you were playing against a cheater the whole game...
We've hit the point where anti-cheats are a "pick your poison" scenario. We've seen kernel-level anti-cheats work with things like FaceIt AC and Vanguard for Valorant, but not everyone is comfortable with an anti-cheat having that much access to their computer just to play a game. Don't have that, and you get wallers and spin botters in the mid-high ranks.
@@CR0WYT A few obese nerds who tell everyone about linux crying about privacy When in reality 99.9% of players would give their bank details, dick pics, private chats and their soul for a better anticheat.
@@CR0WYT pls stop with the " not everyone is comfortable with an anti-cheat having that much access to their computer" like fuck off man, integrity is needed and if having a 100mb anticheat run in the background is too much then you're probably a cheater yourself. this is such a shit take
These CS2 devs and managenet are going to kill counter strike! Sparkles please make a petition to get them off and bring some competent people into our game! We have no anticheat, no new cosmetics for a really long time and other games are having these things plus other game modes monthly! Even ads on twitter! Can you imagine CS2 with ads on twitter??? THESE DEVS AND THEIR MANAGEMENT ARE INCOMPETENT!!!
More than 20 years in the game but players can't still figure out that cs go was never meant to be played fair and square, rather developing and sharing cheats within the community and in the process helping the game grow further and making playing the same even more fun.
played cs2 for 1 month and deleted it, full to the brim with cheaters. I've played since 2004, cs 1.6, cs source and CSGO , cs 1.6 and source had a cheating problem but it was no where near the problem cs2 has. Something has to be done.
It's an absolute shame that Valve let cheaters run rampant in CSGO and are doing the same in CS2. They have enough money to hire a few more professionals to focus on anti-cheat, because what they currently have clearly isn't enough. Making billions off skins isn't enough money to hire a good anti-cheat team?
Its insane tbh, in my last 5 games i had 3 cheaters blatantly cheating. Like one was spinbotting and 2 where just shooting me trough walls non stop. This is premier btw 17k elo. Its insane. And valve does nothing it legits makes me want to quit the game so bad like whats the point the whole game is just hvh
I honestly have no clue why on earth valve is doing nothing about it. Like im not cheating myself but im paranoid about false banns cause they are so incompetent (example: I heard that if you are randomly moving your mouse with high dpi without even killing anyone you can get banned, if you download the neweset nvidia drivers and you are unlucky you can get banned, if you join the wrong community server you could get banned etc.). But people who cheat dont care cause they have no skins anyways, thats why valve is also not making money off of them. New accounts are free anyways and you could even get ones with high hours, prime etc. for like 2€. They loose money on cheaters cause people who care and are legit are scarred to do something "wrong" or dont want to play cause the game is infested by cheaters...
All ban waves are joke to make legit players believe that their anti cheat is still working. Valve make a huge money by doing these things, this cycle will be never ended.
I don't play CS2 nor hack or develop hacks for it, but this is just a gross oversimplification of a very complicated and nuanced topic-- either that or the guy genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about. Cheating can happen on any application, yes including non-games, simply because you're running a process locally. The only feasible way to stop the user's ability, from my understanding at least, to read and modify their own computer's memory is to have an incredibly invasive driver that, by necessity, would have a lot of control over the user's system, which is just obviously a terrible idea. I'm sure there's a lot of nuance that I'm missing out on here, and there are plenty of security specialists far smarter than me and far more knowledgeable in the subject, but even to me its very glaring that this guy is missing a lot of that same nuance and is making gross oversimplifications that provide no real benefit beside making mute points that don't address any real issues. Cheating is very obviously a massive problem from what i can tell, and there is almost certainly a lot to blame on Valve for it being such, but making claims that Valve can easily patch an exploit simply because it's open sourced is naive and ignores a plethora of important details that need to be discussed. Also, it's very inappropriate to claim that Valve is intentionally ignoring cheaters without solid evidence, or at the very least some type of testimonial from someone who genuinely knows what they're talking about. You shouldn't stop advocating for companies to step up their security practices, a lot of them really need to, but making mute and inapplicable points like this just distracts from the real issues that need to be focused on.
I feel that they made the API change so that people would stop selling their skins on P2P websites and hold on to their skins. As if you have hundreds or even thousands in skins in CS2, you are not quitting that fast, or just force people to sell their skins through steam.
For the safety regarding external and internal, external is mostly less safe. Lets say you make a wallhack and you need to read player positions. When an externally hooked program does that, it's very suspecious and easily detectable. An internal cheat not so much because i behaves under the hood of the game itself, which of course needs to read player positions all the time to move them correctly, render them etc. The game reading these values itself is far less suspious than an external program doing the same
As a Counter-Strike Source cheat developer, nothing has changed. Hackers and cheaters are still very easy to detect and ban, if only devs would listen, but in the end the game can only be updated by a programmer who's being paid. So if no one's being paid you can't fix. Can't fix what ain't broke. It's working as intended
Thank you for making these videos which shed a light on how bad the situation is. In NA around 13-15k ELO you start getting cheaters at least every other game, sometimes 3-5 games in a row who are so blatant it's not even funny.
Haha! Love it when they removed support for MacOS and other platforms, so they could, in quote ”focus more on updates”. Haven’t seen very many of those. Strange… if they had taken the time to fully create the game and bring support for all the OSs maybe their game wouldn’t be so garbage right now.
I just played against a ragehacker in wingman, afterwards we talked on discord and he told me: Wingman is practically HvH Premiere is second most cheated mode, especially after 20k elo it’s more than 50/50 if you get a cheater in the game
TBH the best defences for cheaters back in 1.6 we're allowing non-secure servers for people with "additional software" or "cheats" and they did exactly what he said and download what they can find to study for reverse engineering. There were just as many cheaters back then but they were rarely in legit matches.
I can not stand the argument that cheaters make that "well the devs make so much money off of cheaters..." that's the dumbest load of crap I have ever heard. First off if you make a game you want as many people as possible to play your game so you can be a long term profitable business. Cheaters destroy your bottom line. Cheaters need legit players to validated their ego. The legit players leave when faced with cheaters. then the cheaters leave because now the game is hard again. Cheaters and cheat devs are delusional. They forget to mention most cheaters buy legit stolen accounts for less than prime in most cases.
These cheating aholes are literally the number 1 threat to the game lmao. If valve could press a button and obliterate all of them at once, it will done in a heartbeat.. too bad that in reality we only have VAC
I know people like to shit on Valve for their anticheat.. but having an AI anticheat like VACNET is definitely the future for games anticheats it just need to perfected and be accurate. Since people have already made cheats that does not even run anything on the PC so normal anticheats has no way to detect them so the only savior for that would be something like VACNET. It has been trained with data for years now from a ton of csgo matches that has been played but sadly it does not seem to be enough. But the though of having an AI anticheat is definitely the right move. The normal VAC anticheat also needs to do a better job.. I know Valve does not want VAC to be intrusive and that is why it does not seem to do as good job as other anticheats. But hopefully there will be a future where cheaters will actually get banned more frequently.. like in csgo there was cheaters going for years without getting banned which is obviously ridiculous to think about. CS is the only game I can think about that has two anticheat soulutions running at the same time (VAC and VACNET) but sadly it does not do the job yet. BUT.. People who has been playing cs for a long time will not come across many cheaters anymore though which is thanks to "Trust Factor" I very rarely meet cheaters now compared to before trust factor was implemented years ago. I can probably play 100 matches and only meet 1 or 2 cheaters. But sadly it will not be that good for everyone.. for example if I play on my smurf/ALT account I meet cheaters very frequently. And this is why we see a lot of players with completely different experiences.. luckly on my main account it is almost completely cheat free. And then there is the players who thinks anyone better at the game is cheaters... I have probably been called a cheater over a 1000 times by now from different players💀
"If you want your game to be competitive online, it needs to have a kernel level anticheat" No, it's a breach of privacy and it's a false layer of security, it just opens new doors for malicious people to use, it's not uncommon to make use of those kernel level stuff to install various malicious stuff, you can do quite a lot with something as vulnerable as that such as privilege escalation and bypassing antiviruses that whitelisted these trojans or even bypassing them because they literally start before the OS for some
I don't think Valve want's cheaters, but i think the engineers have other priorities, than using time on constantly updating a kernal based anti-cheat.
I have seen and read so many defeatist mentality in posts on reddit nearly every day saying that ban waves every few to several months is the best and only way to competitively deal with cheaters without falling behind - except the reality is that all cheaters laugh at those people. It's a defeatist mentality and basically giving up and just accepting that the game is just a cheaters paradise. Valve needs to have a far better anti-cheat, they need to do the cat and mouse dance, they need to ban as fast as possible and not wait, they need to do multiple ways as in both kernel-level anti-cheat, Overwatch and VACnet all combined needs to be available. Overwatch from CSGO was exploited a lot because valve never fixed loopholes (as was mentioned in a previous interview). Valve's approach to anti-cheating is completely unacceptable on EVERY SINGLE PARAMETER. They have as far as now done NOTHING that has visibly dealt with the issue. They are a fucking disgrace for the competitive scene of their game. It's a complete joke. CS2 was launched way too early, the features in the game is missing, they removed CSGO at the same time, the game was buggy (though not as buggy as CSGO was at release, but the situation is different today, you'd expect that a sequel is equal to or better than its predecessor, but here it's just better graphics, but everything else is somewhat to way worse, bar the smokes). Valve's approach to anything regarding CS2 for now has been absolutely unacceptable. Then again - we know Valve has become a money first - games last company (basically every choice they've ever done the past decade is choices that increases their profits, even if it's at the cost of gameplay) so their choices are always based on what earns them the most money. Anti-cheat doesn't earn them money so it'll never be even the bottom priority for them. If anyone can provide a reason why it'll earn them money and lots of it, it'll be a total gamechanger, but until then it's valve fucking us all over by doing nothing but making the next case with the next skins that people will crazily buy, because they don't know how to talk with their wallets. If we want valve to change we gotta hit them where it hurts and not just whine about it.
The example of the telephone signature should of been a dead give away that this guy isn't super far into actually reverse engineering and the fundamentals of how a computer handles code. He explained it as if Valve knows the phone number when this is fundamentally not true. A lot of code will have a polymorphic state meaning everyone's version of the exact same cheat comes up as a different phone number. It's like someone spoofing there phone number and you block a spoofed number that does nothing. Along with valves anti cheat running at user level it makes it literally impossible for them to detect anything outside of userspace. If it wasn't for the fact valve never ever wants a single false ban they could with ease start banning people. But vavle believes in never having a false positive and I honestly respect them for that.
I'll never truly understand people who use cheats. I completely lose all of the wind in my sails when a game is too easy. There is no room for improvement, you're just at the top of the heap based on no merit at all. Unless you're a troll who loves gaslighting people, I see zero reason to install this garbage. Why use them to gain a high rank, when the rank will never truly be earned.
I have quit CS for a long time now, it's a waste of time - but still watching your Vids, cause it's a lot of fun to watch them, always feel entertained
I will never be able comprehend cheating in a competitive game, isn't the fun part of the game knowing that your victory was earned? The only person you're cheating is yourself, and just wasting 9 other peoples time. Cheating is definitely a microcosm of larger mental issues and a corrupted moral compass.
Valorant anticheat has been beaten too, no game is safe. And now MSI released a monitor with built in AI that you can train to cheat in any game you want.
i create kernel level cheats that use AI to bypass anticheats(EAC/BE/RIC&more) we genuinely think we have brought the industry to the next level. He is right in video if they wanted to patch our stuff they couldn't at this point due to our knowledge in the industry is more than the creators themselves.
Considering that cheat is free external base on unknown cheats im going to assume this man is not very knowledgeable on cheats. Also using window mouse events is easily detectable, I wrote a cheat for overwatch and was banned in 3 seconds after automating my mouse movement. This just reinforces what the man said and the reason people are getting banned in waves is because they will be more likely to rebuy an account where as if they got banned in 5 days they wouldnt want to rebuy an account. Adding kernel level anti-cheat would solve the cheating problem completely for about 1-2 months but once people create kernel level cheats the cheating gets bad. For instance valorant there was a cheater in 3/10 games in my immortal lobbies. Also since cs has been out for a long time i'm sure there is already kernel level cheats. AI Vac will probably completely revolutionize cheating the anti-cheat industry if they can have a viewer in every match watching the gameplay and detect cheaters visually by learning what cheaters do and noticing cheaters hitting crazy shots or playing crazy postions. Obviously this may be fairly expensive for valve but thats really the only sound proof way to prevent cheaters
and yet there is AI cheats that can compete with AI anticheats. i just delete and stop playing any online game ever i play rdr2 god of war and some good single player games no online there is no hope for fair online competition
This is the same thing as the tarkov cheating scandal why would a company permanently stop a passive income source which are the cheaters always buying new accounts
I know cheat devs have different ways of making walls and aim hacks but making single fire weapons go automatic or fire all bullets instantly, how is that not the easiest thing to detect or prevent?
I would love a Interview with a valves employee talking about the cheater problems
dude the main people who are going to really study that interview are going to be the cheat programmers. let valve cook for CS2. I do want a valve response for TF2, though. TF2 is becoming unplayable on Valve servers even for casual players, it's a shame because TF2 is a gem.
(dollar sign)
Valve employee? Lol xD
@@shouygui4955 They don't have to give out too much inside information. I would be interested to know what their opinion is on the topic. Whether they are aware of how bad the cheater problem is in matchmaking. Why there is so much hesitation in banning. Why no new anti cheat comes out like in valorant. I just can't understand why more isn't being done or why they are so quiet about it.
@@shouygui4955 "let valve cook for cs2" - man they are cooking for months with 0 results.
I run into cheaters in so many premiere games it’s borderline unplayable
i stop wasting money in that game, and haven't play almost anymore bc they don't do anything
same here, switched over to Faceit and the experience is 10x better. makes me enjoy it again because the matches are fair and almost no cheaters, you should try it.
Premier*
The craziest part is how obvious cheaters have become lately, and that some of them actually have insane inventories, like what?
Even casual is unplayable
VAC = Valve allows cheats
Oh my god you replaced one word
@@lulukittenemiTHEY DID?!!?!! it's almost like its the joke or something... Something something idk something like that
i am really mad at valve
waaaaa waaa
@@lulukittenemiPS7UN = pussy sad 7 used now
I'm one of those people that usually give people the benefit of doubt if they're cheating unless its entirely blatent. but holy fuck, the amount of tiny cheats that make you look "legit" really makes me question everything now.
Congrats man, now you know how an average prime GE match was. Generally there was at least one subtle cheater per team who didn't check any corners but was always positioned right and was hitting all of his running shots and sprays with no recoil. Fun thing is that despite that subtle cheating they would still lose if enemy player hit that 1st bullet or naded him every round.
@@sp33dou I was sitting in 22K and every match after Jan 4th (after an update) went to complete dogshit when climbing before that update was easy as hell
if someone is half decent at the game u will never recognise theyre cheatings because they dont need to have strong settings , u only notice the bots who cheat
Yeah you zoomers are dumb af. 90% of cheaters are using humanized aimbots.. they look incredibly natural. People who are already good at the game know how to hide walls as well, purposely make mistakes.. etc.
@@leviwilder1205 You got to 22k? I'm stuck at 10k now because the lower ranks are full of people with walls who can't aim for shit. The other team seems to full stack on your site every round on CT, and when you watch the demos back they're just blatantly staring at you cross-map through a wall at round start to decide which site to go to.
If everyone started using the skin swappers to avoid buying cases how fast do you think they would fix that problem?
Maybe a week😂
few hours lmao@@arkfaks6778
less imo :D@@arkfaks6778
@@arkfaks6778 skin changers are common and are in alot of internals right now. They need to write to the games memory so alot of 'legit' cheats that aim to stay undetected do not have it as it may effect trust factor if the game detects an unknown write which increases changes of detection of the actually binary and so on
Within an hour their X announces emergency hotfix is already en route. Two hours in they issue the patch and calling it "Patched game breaking exploit". Then they don't count to 3.
One day Sparkles will interview someone who actually knows what they're talking about and isn't a clueless moron.
Facts and bro is just showing pasted menus
people that actually know what they are doing are intelligent enough not to do a interview. The sad part is that the anticheat is so bad that script kiddies can just copy paste code and add some random text and that already works to break the anti cheat
you are also moron and i found your voice changer
Yeah lmao, only valve employees know anything about this subject. Everything here is speculation to get views by showing cheats on a big channel. Passing this as “news” is a complete joke and embarrassment for this channel.
yeah wtf is this
Please could you set up a counter-strike strike where as many people as possible dont play the game untill Valve officially says and outlines their plans for combatting cheaters?
I was thinking of that the other day, image cs drop from a million players a day to a few thousand
that wouldnt happen.. too much players
i'm in on that immediately!!!
wont happen, moot point
@@bloxer9563 no obviously not everyone but just a chunk so that valve notices, with enough creators involved it would be quite eash
Valve has like 2 months before I think a massive portion of the player base leaves. Premier above 15k is almost unplayable with cheaters in 1/3 games. Comp is a waste of time because the ELO reset causes matches to be wildly uncompetitive. API sites have not detected a SINGLE player hitting Global in Comp yet because the single map ELO system is completely broken.
I reported a russian female twitch streamer that teams up with a cheater to boost their lowskill up to 20k.
I have video evidence and steam profiles verified but no one seems to be interested in banning those 5 cheaters
i still do not get it why we got the solo map ranks but the "old ones" and the new system with the points ... and yeah single map elo is broken do not work at all
@@sakulugh I'm fine with the single map rating system. The formula for ELO has a "K-Factor" variable which is just a multiplier on how much you can gain/lose. If they just upped the K-Factor value from Silver to DMG, it would solve the problem of Gold Nova games having anywhere from 5k to 20k premier players in them.
Quit bitching about cheaters they arent in that many matches you guys just suck at cs and cry everytime someone wide swings your angle you sit at every single round
That's true these two last weeks it's unplayable, every night I play against cheaters, bot mouvement with high game sense like unbelievable
After what i just watched, i want to vomit to all Valve's Employees. They made tons of money from that fucking game. They squeezed our pockets and continue doing that through their market place. At least they could something to get more people interested in that game. SO FROM TODAY I AM OUT! I am really OUT. Thank you sparkles for all this good job you have done!
The whole community should do Agitation by not buying, trading skins and not opening loot boxes for month or week. Or until Valve improves anti cheat.
Yehhh
It wouldn’t do anything 😂 plus you could never get EVERYONE on board to stop buying cases
So basically it will never work
I think It will work because money is the most important factor, and if a major portion of the community stops giving valve money then they have to do something.
@@jenijackson9571 nah
I am in.
Sparkles... You are one of the biggest CS TH-camrs. Can't you, perhaps together with Ohne or for example GabeFollower, put some pressure on Valve to do an interview? Together you reach millions of people. Let them explain to us where things stand with VAC. Things are getting more and more out of hand.
That sounds like a perfect ide if they want to spoil there plants and give the hackers even more inside to what they need to do to stay undetect
@@gizmo2902 They are allready know how to stay undetected. Like this video it seems that the cheaters everytimes stays one feet ahead then Valve does. Over the past last years Valve has collected so much data of cheats, members that cheats that they should be enable to launch a good working VAC-system. They said it before the launch of CS2. The launch is now months in the past and the cheat-problem is getting worse day by day. Valve is starting to lose money because people are quiting with Counter-Strike. That's more money then holding the problem with cheaters and let them pay everytime for a new account. Constant players will deliver more money then cheater-accounts.
Get real. It is MONEY. Valve won’t lose money just because you want to have good experience in their game. New VAC is day zero and it will happen when game is going to die slowly as it is.
@@niexyr Game won't die. Maybe sometimes it seems that way, but it won't. And it never will... the community is to big and to hard. But the community is also strong. That's why i think 'the big boys' maybe can arrange something if they stand side by side.
nah, valve simply does not give a shit
His argument is that Valve is earning a lot of money because of cheaters. They have to buy accounts in order to play/cheat. However, you should also take in account that a lot of people stopped playing CS because of those same cheaters. My guess is that they miss out on way more money this way. Almost all of my friends have stopped playing CS because of the poor experience you get when playing the game right now.
I guess who has tons of skins is not willing to stop playing the game.. "I've already invested SO MUCH into the game...:"
Not to mention how many new players would start playing if there would be really good anti-cheat.. imagine the money they would get from that
You can sell any inventory of valve for real money at anytime
So skins won't make anyone stay
People are just waiting another month or two for hopes of new content, after that i can see people bail out on cs2 very hard
Yep, exactly. I turned off the vid when he didn’t shut down that argument. Plus sparkles is a scumbag we already know that
check statistics, playerbase size is absolutely the same as before cs2 release, meaning some old players left, new come, but money for valve is the same. also prime accounts are cheaper in those countries where people usually create bot accounts and hunt for case drops, which they resell on market and make real profit
Imagine installing cheats and turning on the skinchanger JUST TO USE SHADOW DAGGERS
I dont understand the joke here, what's wrong with shadow daggers?
@@fancybebthe screen shake is fixed in cs2, so they’re actually useable now. Thats the only reason they were a highly disregarded skin.
@@giuseppefanelli3507 they are also quite small knives so the colors of the skins on it just doesn't hit the same with every other knife
@@giuseppefanelli3507 Shadow daggers are butt plugs
I've spent over 7000 hours of my life on csgo/cs2. Thats nearly 1 solid year dedicated to cs. 1/28 of my life so far. I played for my university in csl and some lower tier circuits, and im not playing another game until valve addresses cheating. I email them often with an updated list of cheats that there is literally a subreddit for and they never reply. Why should i give another second to a company that does not value loyalty and commitment.
good job 👍
The financial incentive argument never makes sense to me. For them to make money off a cheater, they must ban the cheater. So I don't see the conflict of interest.
Thanks cheaters and developers for contributing to the top notch experience 🙏🙏
youre welcome
I don’t even blame the cheaters at this point. In fact, I hope as many cheats as possible. Maybe Valve will wake up one day. I have stopped playing premier. Faceit has a lot nicer experience.
@@keestojuusto6072 faceit has cheaters also
@@keestojuusto6072 not as many but there are definitely cheaters there too
all i know is, i just watched this mans shoot an awp at fully auto and ace in 0.1ms
I love that in these hacker interviews Sparkles always has his "i'm talking to cheaters" voice. It's slower, lower and less emphatic. haha, funny stuff
N1 calling someone cheat dev when he is blatantly pasting his cheat, if you dont know who he is, it is guy named Backend / Meepo
he doesnt even know how to make a ui 🤣
cheat src from uc, deadcell ui from github 💀
also my guy acted like sound esp is unique and no other external has it...
mf i had it before the game even released to the public fym lol
@@noteffex ikr lmao
lol cheaters coming out and bragging 😂😂
@@noteffex they straight up ripped off my ui design but put in the minimum effort required 😂
I've been saying this for years that VALVE could not care less about the cheaters as they are legit making money out of them.
I am 35yo and started playing CS 1.3. I quit playing like a year after CS Source was released and I just quit because there was so many cheaters that something that was supposed to be fun was not anymore. But I always kept an eye on the scene and 3 years ago I started playing again for fun and NOTHING has changed in all those years. So sad seeing Valve not moving a finger about this issue.
Haven't played the game for good 2 months now and I don't miss it at all ngl
You were never a Counter Strike fan then
The Cheating is getting worse and worse day by day, hope you can show us more of these insides, so we know better and Valve hopefully wake up one Day and start doing something about this!
Sure they will just give it another year or so and play something else in the meantime😂
valve = sh1t campany. Cheater-strike 2, %70 cheater base right now, gj volvo
@@ziga226 How can you be so sure? This issue is not a CS2 issue, but a CS issue. They didn't fix the problem in 12 years and you think they will fix it now? Why? The only reason you saw less cheaters in CS GO was purely because of overwatch. But before overwatch there were A LOT of cheaters. Now they removed overwatch which is why you see more of them but the cheating problem was always a big problem in CS. So, no, they will not fix the issue in one year. You are a new player this is why you believe that.
calling him a dev is too much, he just bhought some sources from some of my friends (i wont give names, but i can provide proof)
But is he wrong somewhere? Like would you call cs on some of his statements or its all true
Yes not a dev hes a loser doesn’t understand cheats as much as he thinks 😂 some of the shit he said isn’t even right, valve needs to stop being lazy and add kernel its so fucking simple to add
@@fistrexxHe is massively underestimating the difficulty in detecting cheats when they aren’t open source
My theory is that the game is already heavy resource based, if an extra anti cheat comes, it will ruin performance even more and 20% of the player base or even more, would not be able to launch/run the game properly having fps issues, especially with an AI anti cheat
So true
Here is a short story:
Played CS GO long time ago, with release of CS2 some of my friends jumped into it as soon as possible (return). I did not, but after few months I said, "why not, could be fun with friends like in old times". Rejoined some CS servers and "revived" some online friendships along the way. And it felt good to use skins from past days that were just sitting in my inventory.
Elo: Silver - Prime account
Match one Dust 2 map: Since I did not play very long time my aim,sprey control, co-ordination was very poor. I struggled to get kill or even throw nades/flashes. Often would fail and was on bottom of scoreboard. Enemy team had a dude who went 35+ frags and managed to get kills through smoke and door. Idk if he cheated or not (for that) but I did not report since there are many players who played on that map 10+years and luck can happen. But HS ratio was 100% - hmmmm. Possible cheater who had great time imo.
Match 2 Mirage map: During that match I had internet problems and did not use team chat but rather Discord with my friend (snow storm in area). I was lagging whole match (well half match but we will get to that). I was at the bottom of frags, and doing 300 less dmg than rest of my team. I played - again- poorly. Then, puff, I get kicked out of match half way into with unable to re connect back. Took me 5 min to notice my game was under ban. (my duo friend told me match got terminated and that was their message on screen). I did not recive VAC or anything like that but actual GAME ban from Devs. I was so confused. I did not use cheats, I was not toxic (did not even use team chat) so I did not know what was the reason.
Now, I got kicked from almost every server and got a tag "Cheater/Do not play with etc". Even if I tryed to defend myself and say that is a false ban, everyone would say: You got ban, you are cheater, another one bites the dust, no excuse anti cheat works, you were reported and got service etc."
I did appeal to the ban. Got an email (automatic) that my case was reviewed and that there is nothing I can do.
7 days after my ban was removed. No explenation, no apology nothing. My though? Its possible I got ban from my lag since some others have, or was my Nvidia software that was still not fixed by Valve side. I did not even want to try to get back into CS again since damage was done and I felt hurt no one belived me. So I just unistall it and sold all my skins. Will never play that game again.
It was your GPU drivers. Happened to many ppl.
Bless you sparkles, for using your platform and sway in the community to push for change! We’re with you!
I think phone number verification anyways needs to come back and perhaps also ID/passport verification, I think that would reduce the number of cheaters drastically, why is no one talking about it?
@@GSicKz because theres people that sell phone verification services.
It is better than doing nothing. It would deter a lot of people from doing it undoubtedly. He is correct. It won't stop all of them, but it would help a little. @@gr1ndywho
@@gr1ndywho how about ID/passport verification then?
@@GSicKz whats this, ccp?
4:06 wait that’s me
Interviewing pasters as cheat dev's... Do you want to interview a multi-millionaire? (I've got $10.00,- in the bank)
at least if it was a competent one...
Valve devs watching this like: What? Are you serious??
Anyway, new patch is up guys. Fixing lighting in Donut on Ancient.
No idea how we have many in the CS2 community defending Valve when it comes to cheating.
i've been in the world of warcraft community and have seen some insane corpo simping but with counter strike i don't think i can say the same at all, i think it's generally pretty unianimous in the opinion that valve is absolutely dropping the ball here.
As someone who used to grind premier solo queue and has a love for the game… this really hurts to watch… it truly is eye opening aswell. It makes a lot of sense with this cheat dev’s explanation why valve hasn’t done anything. Valve is a rich company … and their connection to the community has been broken for a long time. This video honestly made me lose all faith in MM might go to faceit I suppose 🤷♂️
I think I quit yesterday, it was demoralizing. The reason being is the fact that I started watching demos of previous games I played. It’s worse than you and I ever thought.
imo when cs2 was released when i got placed in 2k premier i had the most fun. People in the lobby admired my 12k inventory, I was top fragging 40 kills+ a game. Felt like a god. Until i got into 15-17k premier then i realized what a shit show cs2 is in. Let me go back to the 2k lobbies those are my kind of shit.
lets be real valve never gave a shit ever since csgo released
there never was a connection to the community and there never will be
nice deadcell menu paste
This is proof just like many other competitive shooters that you have a cheater in EVERY SINGLE MATCH. Even if you don't notice it because it isn't blatant, you have at least 1 person using wallhacks in your game. When will companies take this more seriously because I am getting real tired of feeling there is literally no point in playing competitive fps games anymore because it is never legit even matchmaking.
Valve JUST recently banned over 40k cheaters. I was/am as frustrasted as anyone else. My time is precious to me, and I don't want to waste it playing cheaters. But I do believe they learned everything they possibly could before the ban wave.
The new shot detection range is a great step in the right direction.
They have been doing ban waves since the start of time. Its not a sign of good things to come sadly
Overwatch was probably the best anti-cheat cs ever had. It was also nice that at some point they rewarded people who were consistently accurately reporting cheaters there.
Loved the video Sparkles. Yesterday it happened something really weird I even recorded it. I was playing deathmatch and there was one player that had AI movement and all his moves looked really weird so I went to spectate him and when I was watching him playing he stopped moving he went afk and when I choosed other player to spectate he suddently started playing again. Really weird.
Yep that’s cheat
IT HAPPENED TO ME TOO
well that is a xp farming account for drops. it is programmed to behave like a bot, but doesnt have wallhack or anything, just playing like an extreme bot whenever a player gets in their field of view, then they automatically shoot the player in an expert bot way which can be annoying because expert bots can lock your head in an instant. So yeah that is cheating as well
@@ADRIANOS259 Thats exactly what I thought when I was playing! Thank you
@@ADRIANOS259 there's actual cheat programs that tell you how many and who is spectating you too . so if someone is trying to catch you cheating you can stop doing it
Already quit the game because of the cheaters. Had +4 years of pause since CS:GO but there is literally no way I'm motivated enough to play against cheaters every second game that I play. Good stuff you're doing these videos - hope for the change for better...
thats the main issue with cs2 imo. Its not the movement, the sprays, the bugs, people can overlook those issues if cs2 had something like vanguard. People want to have a fair match while they wait cs2 to be fixed but if cs2 is broken on top of cheaters people will quit like myself.
@@Astelch 100% agreed. I don't mind if the game is broken for everyone really. But if you're against hackers every second game, it's not fair and therefore easy to lose motivation to play. Wouldn't want to play Faceit all the time, would be nice to able to play premier with the boys too, but it is atm unplayable. Can't play a single game with 25k rating without a cheater on the opposite team.
At least someone is making a video about this and not just talking about it, thank you
"Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a really good day"
I would love a Interview with a valves employee talking about the cheater problems
you should rename the video to: CS2 Cheat Paster on Valve's BAN Policy...
i'm sorry for anyone who thinks this is a competent cheat dev. his solution to how they could go about combating cheats and comparing it to blocking a phone number speaks for itself, that guy's is lucky to know his name, because otherwise he really doesn't know anything.
His reason as to why valve "allows" cheats crumbles into dust the moment you think about it critically for 10 seconds.
Why?
An important thing to highlight is how i felt watching this video. When he demonstrated the sound ESP, i literally thought to myself 'i could use that.' Which is insane to me, primarily because if you can come across that legit in a game of premier, then that means that the percentage chance of you playing against a cheaters who have a similar mentality (even if you end up winning the game or top-fragging) is still extremely high.
To think legit cheating has come so far, that it would be extremely difficult to tell the difference between a closet cheater and a real player is ridiculous. I am lost for words honestly. Not to miss the fact that it's suddenly obvious to me why cheating is so rampant:
1. Cheat developers make bank
2. There is a demand because if you are cheated against, naturally, a part of you, regardless of how noble, will want to cheat back.
There are 602 comments on this video at this current time, would it be fair to assume that at-least 10% of you are cheaters, or more perhaps? Especially if even i, watching this video, was totally shocked by how well made they are.
I've taken that Escape From Tarkov wiggle video as a general guide for how many people actually cheat in popular FPS's. What was the percentage? Something like 50-60% of matches had at least one confirmed cheater or something? And they weren't aim-botting generally, they just had quiet cheats like wallhacks and all the other stuff that gave them advantages.
@@redneckedcrake7059 there was no % of how many raids have cheaters, just a personal experience. with G0ats video the estimate maxes out at 20% of raids having a cheater with a more likely case being 10%, depends on how many raids are actually happening since there are no official numbers of the playerbase
You know what is crazy? A Cheater creator knows to fix the CS problem but Valve, who owns the game don't... or like he said, they know but don't want to fix it because it's not lucrative enough to do it
Im just glad that most cheat developers put some "stuff" in their client that take advantages of the person that uses it
not most, barely any. there is a public and private 20$ a month cheat that are the top of the game pretty much. Free cheats containing malware are common but even those can be found for free. although they will ban if you dont use a good injector and or compile it yourself
Hey Sparkles, Let's stand up against Valve and not play matchmaking games unless and until they fix this cheaters issue. We should put pressure on Valve because let's be real they are not gonna fix the game until there would be financial loss. We need to stop this non-sense. They can fix the game but they are not. Anything is freaking possible look at valorant, don't their devs are working hard to get rid of cheaters. Why can't valve do. My mind is so fucked from last two weeks because I am finding cheaters in 8 out of 10 games. I know it's a big ask but we as a community have to stop playing CS2 UNTIL THE GAME IS OUT OF CHEATERS. We don't deserve to get treated by valve after purchasing a game like this. This game has so much potential to be the best game but cheaters and Valve are ruining this experience for us. Let's stand up for ourself because we deserve a good experience after purchasing and playing CS2 !!!
Very hopeful. Sadly kiddo, valve doesnt give a fuck
@@hydros1ty that’s true. But What else we are supposed to do then? I have switched to faceit now.
If valve wanted they could ban 99% of cheaters tomorrow.
Im a game dev myself and so much stuff that those cheaters are doing is trivial to detect. No spread, bhopping, trigger bots, Shooting through the map, shooting the entire mag at once, skin changing, not rendering smokes etc. is all stuff that could be detected with 2 lines of code on a server side check. Battlefield 1942 from 22 years ago had some of those server side checks that cs2 is still missing today.
I have it on good authority that valve is making a lot of money selling their own cheats and source code so they will never do anything about cheating.
if valve would be able to do it, they would. Legit players spend a lot on cases, market transaction fees, operations, major stickers... they wont believe the drop in revenue this cheating era will bring them. I havent spent a dollar since we obligatory changed to cheating-strike 2.
@scardera you opening a case for 3 bucks and getting a skin worth 2 buck means valve made one buck. A cheater that buys a 2 buck skin and gets banned means valve makes 2 bucks.
Not think how manny blatant cheaters run around with thousands in skins.
Valve makes more monney of cheaters than legit players, if they didn't they wouldn't allow it.
@@kobi399 thats just not true lol if a cheater bought a skin for 2 dollars valve gets a percentage of that 2 dollars.
top comment and logical
as a member of cheating scene since 2017, i will say that valve has no won cheats. There are a handful of cheats from mostly russian developers. All other cheats are pasted. I think they benefit of cheaters bc most of them buy prime! And the HvH scene in commutnity servers is huge. They push the numbers of people playin
cs2 external name is aworex and internal was neverlose and youtuber at the end is tabzware
This "cheat dev" is just showing you copy and pasted code from a website. He doesn't actually have any in depth knowledge on the problem and possible solutions.
It’s possible that they are currently training an AI anticheat, which would explain why they have done nothing so far. They need as much training data as possible
done so little so far**
Or they are doing nothing just like for the past 12 years, also making ai ac would require people that know a lot about ai - valve workers are gamedevs etc, nothing even close to ai field
I'm sure they had job listings for AI if they really are doing this @@fistrexx
from my experience (top 1% premier solo queue to 22k+) the cheating is not as pronounced as people think. I've had 5-6 games with/against cheaters out of ~100 which were game changing. for example, it's possible there were games in which players were using a smooth aim (without esp) but since they're so intrinsically bad that the assistance only leveled them to a regular high level player which basically is irrelevant.
Idk, I can probably not even tell when someone is cheating when there are all of these subtle cheats... I play 22K+ too and it's such a mixed bag of aimers, actual smart players, noobs and possible cheaters. I often meme in competitive now because I don't care about the outcome of those games. The skill differences there are even worse lmao
@@ubesaaa I just play premier as a warm up these days. It’s not fun to grind to top 100 because people will just think you’re cheating. Also solo queueing to top 1% is a lot harder than playing in stacks. Solo queue 22k = 30k in a stack
I dont see any point on playing premier when faceit is much better every way. At lvl 10 i got no cheaters and back in days at lower elo i never had problems either.
@@juuso4148 fairly obvious answer is a game should have an inherent anticheat/matchmaking in place as there’s an entry barrier for most non-competitive players to install a separate client and compete in 3rd party ladders.
CS is literally the only game that’s played these days with this problem so for players that play multiple games it would seem silly
@guymontag5084 it’s still good practice and you don’t want to get kicked for being afk!
i actually ran into a cheater using something like this yesterday i had to watch him at .25x speed on the demo to notice the aim wasnt natural mouse movements.
anything at .25x speed looks unnatural
@@lilganja1337 the player in the demo when toggled off his mouse barely moves like he didnt account for recoil or anything. as soon as its within a small like 1 ft ingame radius of the player it was an instantaneous perfect snap to the exact same point on the top middle of the head. it wasnt a mouse movement.
Sparkles knowing his skins might go down in price because of ppl realizing cs2 is over. He does it anyways not your typical TH-camr. a REAL G “GAMER “
> they earn from banning cheaters
> I haven't been banned in months and I was sure they would ban me
pick one
I've playe around 20+ games since coming back to the game with better pc and i don't think i've seen any cheaters in these games..
Went from 7k to 10k with these games..I guess there are not many cheaters at lower levels..I'll seen when i get to 20k how it feels..
On the other hand, Wingman is damn infested...
when i was uner 15-18k, i didnt see any cheaters or maybe couple of them only... near and over 20k its different story, every premier game is sus... eather its cheater or game being broken, cant tell
yah for me it is around 15-20k range , they do a good job hiding it but once they start loosing they will go into rage mode and then it becomes clear you were playing against a cheater the whole game...
Yea wingman is completely unplayable. 2-3 months ago it wasn't as bad but since then its been getting worse and worse with every passing week.
cheating is in a problem in almost all games atm
We've hit the point where anti-cheats are a "pick your poison" scenario. We've seen kernel-level anti-cheats work with things like FaceIt AC and Vanguard for Valorant, but not everyone is comfortable with an anti-cheat having that much access to their computer just to play a game. Don't have that, and you get wallers and spin botters in the mid-high ranks.
@@CR0WYT A few obese nerds who tell everyone about linux crying about privacy
When in reality 99.9% of players would give their bank details, dick pics, private chats and their soul for a better anticheat.
@@CR0WYT pls stop with the " not everyone is comfortable with an anti-cheat having that much access to their computer" like fuck off man, integrity is needed and if having a 100mb anticheat run in the background is too much then you're probably a cheater yourself. this is such a shit take
@@CR0WYT I'd still have cheaters over Vanguard...
@@ANDR0iD ok, then don't complain about the cheaters and don't use FaceIt or ESEA since they do the exact same thing.
These CS2 devs and managenet are going to kill counter strike! Sparkles please make a petition to get them off and bring some competent people into our game! We have no anticheat, no new cosmetics for a really long time and other games are having these things plus other game modes monthly! Even ads on twitter! Can you imagine CS2 with ads on twitter???
THESE DEVS AND THEIR MANAGEMENT ARE INCOMPETENT!!!
"They dont know anything about this" *shows code*
and when you do understand, you notice that it just basic c.
After unfair game ban I stopped to play this garbage game, even if I got unbanned. Fuck Valve!
how can they find pleasure in the game cheating constantly man...i don't understand what is going on inside these people mind
More than 20 years in the game but players can't still figure out that cs go was never meant to be played fair and square, rather developing and sharing cheats within the community and in the process helping the game grow further and making playing the same even more fun.
played cs2 for 1 month and deleted it, full to the brim with cheaters. I've played since 2004, cs 1.6, cs source and CSGO , cs 1.6 and source had a cheating problem but it was no where near the problem cs2 has. Something has to be done.
It's an absolute shame that Valve let cheaters run rampant in CSGO and are doing the same in CS2. They have enough money to hire a few more professionals to focus on anti-cheat, because what they currently have clearly isn't enough. Making billions off skins isn't enough money to hire a good anti-cheat team?
Its insane tbh, in my last 5 games i had 3 cheaters blatantly cheating. Like one was spinbotting and 2 where just shooting me trough walls non stop. This is premier btw 17k elo. Its insane. And valve does nothing it legits makes me want to quit the game so bad like whats the point the whole game is just hvh
Can’t get pass 18k with cheaters every 1-2 games
I honestly have no clue why on earth valve is doing nothing about it. Like im not cheating myself but im paranoid about false banns cause they are so incompetent (example: I heard that if you are randomly moving your mouse with high dpi without even killing anyone you can get banned, if you download the neweset nvidia drivers and you are unlucky you can get banned, if you join the wrong community server you could get banned etc.).
But people who cheat dont care cause they have no skins anyways, thats why valve is also not making money off of them. New accounts are free anyways and you could even get ones with high hours, prime etc. for like 2€. They loose money on cheaters cause people who care and are legit are scarred to do something "wrong" or dont want to play cause the game is infested by cheaters...
That "developer" is a paster lmfaoo, evo source from yougame and UC. He didn't code jack
All ban waves are joke to make legit players believe that their anti cheat is still working.
Valve make a huge money by doing these things, this cycle will be never ended.
yeah
You can have undetectable cheats running as external hardware for 50$....
I don't play CS2 nor hack or develop hacks for it, but this is just a gross oversimplification of a very complicated and nuanced topic-- either that or the guy genuinely doesn't know what he's talking about. Cheating can happen on any application, yes including non-games, simply because you're running a process locally. The only feasible way to stop the user's ability, from my understanding at least, to read and modify their own computer's memory is to have an incredibly invasive driver that, by necessity, would have a lot of control over the user's system, which is just obviously a terrible idea. I'm sure there's a lot of nuance that I'm missing out on here, and there are plenty of security specialists far smarter than me and far more knowledgeable in the subject, but even to me its very glaring that this guy is missing a lot of that same nuance and is making gross oversimplifications that provide no real benefit beside making mute points that don't address any real issues. Cheating is very obviously a massive problem from what i can tell, and there is almost certainly a lot to blame on Valve for it being such, but making claims that Valve can easily patch an exploit simply because it's open sourced is naive and ignores a plethora of important details that need to be discussed.
Also, it's very inappropriate to claim that Valve is intentionally ignoring cheaters without solid evidence, or at the very least some type of testimonial from someone who genuinely knows what they're talking about.
You shouldn't stop advocating for companies to step up their security practices, a lot of them really need to, but making mute and inapplicable points like this just distracts from the real issues that need to be focused on.
cs is literally just a case opening simulator rn
I feel that they made the API change so that people would stop selling their skins on P2P websites and hold on to their skins. As if you have hundreds or even thousands in skins in CS2, you are not quitting that fast, or just force people to sell their skins through steam.
What a stand up guy…ruining a community and using the money to pay for uni, all the while being given a platform within the cs space
For the safety regarding external and internal, external is mostly less safe. Lets say you make a wallhack and you need to read player positions. When an externally hooked program does that, it's very suspecious and easily detectable. An internal cheat not so much because i behaves under the hood of the game itself, which of course needs to read player positions all the time to move them correctly, render them etc. The game reading these values itself is far less suspious than an external program doing the same
As a Counter-Strike Source cheat developer, nothing has changed. Hackers and cheaters are still very easy to detect and ban, if only devs would listen, but in the end the game can only be updated by a programmer who's being paid. So if no one's being paid you can't fix. Can't fix what ain't broke. It's working as intended
Thank you for making these videos which shed a light on how bad the situation is. In NA around 13-15k ELO you start getting cheaters at least every other game, sometimes 3-5 games in a row who are so blatant it's not even funny.
Haha! Love it when they removed support for MacOS and other platforms, so they could, in quote ”focus more on updates”. Haven’t seen very many of those. Strange… if they had taken the time to fully create the game and bring support for all the OSs maybe their game wouldn’t be so garbage right now.
When he says there is at least 1 cheater every game, I would add that 35% to 50% of game base are cheaters.
This seems more like a cheat ad than anything else
I just played against a ragehacker in wingman, afterwards we talked on discord and he told me: Wingman is practically HvH
Premiere is second most cheated mode, especially after 20k elo it’s more than 50/50 if you get a cheater in the game
TBH the best defences for cheaters back in 1.6 we're allowing non-secure servers for people with "additional software" or "cheats" and they did exactly what he said and download what they can find to study for reverse engineering. There were just as many cheaters back then but they were rarely in legit matches.
I can not stand the argument that cheaters make that "well the devs make so much money off of cheaters..." that's the dumbest load of crap I have ever heard. First off if you make a game you want as many people as possible to play your game so you can be a long term profitable business. Cheaters destroy your bottom line. Cheaters need legit players to validated their ego. The legit players leave when faced with cheaters. then the cheaters leave because now the game is hard again. Cheaters and cheat devs are delusional. They forget to mention most cheaters buy legit stolen accounts for less than prime in most cases.
These cheating aholes are literally the number 1 threat to the game lmao. If valve could press a button and obliterate all of them at once, it will done in a heartbeat.. too bad that in reality we only have VAC
I know people like to shit on Valve for their anticheat.. but having an AI anticheat like VACNET is definitely the future for games anticheats it just need to perfected and be accurate. Since people have already made cheats that does not even run anything on the PC so normal anticheats has no way to detect them so the only savior for that would be something like VACNET. It has been trained with data for years now from a ton of csgo matches that has been played but sadly it does not seem to be enough. But the though of having an AI anticheat is definitely the right move. The normal VAC anticheat also needs to do a better job.. I know Valve does not want VAC to be intrusive and that is why it does not seem to do as good job as other anticheats. But hopefully there will be a future where cheaters will actually get banned more frequently.. like in csgo there was cheaters going for years without getting banned which is obviously ridiculous to think about. CS is the only game I can think about that has two anticheat soulutions running at the same time (VAC and VACNET) but sadly it does not do the job yet.
BUT..
People who has been playing cs for a long time will not come across many cheaters anymore though which is thanks to "Trust Factor" I very rarely meet cheaters now compared to before trust factor was implemented years ago. I can probably play 100 matches and only meet 1 or 2 cheaters. But sadly it will not be that good for everyone.. for example if I play on my smurf/ALT account I meet cheaters very frequently. And this is why we see a lot of players with completely different experiences.. luckly on my main account it is almost completely cheat free. And then there is the players who thinks anyone better at the game is cheaters... I have probably been called a cheater over a 1000 times by now from different players💀
"If you want your game to be competitive online, it needs to have a kernel level anticheat" No, it's a breach of privacy and it's a false layer of security, it just opens new doors for malicious people to use, it's not uncommon to make use of those kernel level stuff to install various malicious stuff, you can do quite a lot with something as vulnerable as that such as privilege escalation and bypassing antiviruses that whitelisted these trojans or even bypassing them because they literally start before the OS for some
I don't think Valve want's cheaters, but i think the engineers have other priorities, than using time on constantly updating a kernal based anti-cheat.
I have seen and read so many defeatist mentality in posts on reddit nearly every day saying that ban waves every few to several months is the best and only way to competitively deal with cheaters without falling behind - except the reality is that all cheaters laugh at those people. It's a defeatist mentality and basically giving up and just accepting that the game is just a cheaters paradise. Valve needs to have a far better anti-cheat, they need to do the cat and mouse dance, they need to ban as fast as possible and not wait, they need to do multiple ways as in both kernel-level anti-cheat, Overwatch and VACnet all combined needs to be available. Overwatch from CSGO was exploited a lot because valve never fixed loopholes (as was mentioned in a previous interview).
Valve's approach to anti-cheating is completely unacceptable on EVERY SINGLE PARAMETER. They have as far as now done NOTHING that has visibly dealt with the issue. They are a fucking disgrace for the competitive scene of their game. It's a complete joke. CS2 was launched way too early, the features in the game is missing, they removed CSGO at the same time, the game was buggy (though not as buggy as CSGO was at release, but the situation is different today, you'd expect that a sequel is equal to or better than its predecessor, but here it's just better graphics, but everything else is somewhat to way worse, bar the smokes). Valve's approach to anything regarding CS2 for now has been absolutely unacceptable.
Then again - we know Valve has become a money first - games last company (basically every choice they've ever done the past decade is choices that increases their profits, even if it's at the cost of gameplay) so their choices are always based on what earns them the most money. Anti-cheat doesn't earn them money so it'll never be even the bottom priority for them. If anyone can provide a reason why it'll earn them money and lots of it, it'll be a total gamechanger, but until then it's valve fucking us all over by doing nothing but making the next case with the next skins that people will crazily buy, because they don't know how to talk with their wallets. If we want valve to change we gotta hit them where it hurts and not just whine about it.
please keep making more of these, valve needs to wake up
The example of the telephone signature should of been a dead give away that this guy isn't super far into actually reverse engineering and the fundamentals of how a computer handles code.
He explained it as if Valve knows the phone number when this is fundamentally not true. A lot of code will have a polymorphic state meaning everyone's version of the exact same cheat comes up as a different phone number. It's like someone spoofing there phone number and you block a spoofed number that does nothing. Along with valves anti cheat running at user level it makes it literally impossible for them to detect anything outside of userspace. If it wasn't for the fact valve never ever wants a single false ban they could with ease start banning people. But vavle believes in never having a false positive and I honestly respect them for that.
Had a spin cheater on my team that said about 80% of games at 20k elo have a cheater
The cheaters re-buying prime idea is really stupid. The amount of money valve gets from people buying prime is nothing compared to the skins market.
I'll never truly understand people who use cheats. I completely lose all of the wind in my sails when a game is too easy. There is no room for improvement, you're just at the top of the heap based on no merit at all. Unless you're a troll who loves gaslighting people, I see zero reason to install this garbage. Why use them to gain a high rank, when the rank will never truly be earned.
This video feels like an ad for the cheat this guy runs
I have quit CS for a long time now, it's a waste of time - but still watching your Vids, cause it's a lot of fun to watch them, always feel entertained
I will never be able comprehend cheating in a competitive game, isn't the fun part of the game knowing that your victory was earned? The only person you're cheating is yourself, and just wasting 9 other peoples time. Cheating is definitely a microcosm of larger mental issues and a corrupted moral compass.
Valorant anticheat has been beaten too, no game is safe. And now MSI released a monitor with built in AI that you can train to cheat in any game you want.
i create kernel level cheats that use AI to bypass anticheats(EAC/BE/RIC&more) we genuinely think we have brought the industry to the next level. He is right in video if they wanted to patch our stuff they couldn't at this point due to our knowledge in the industry is more than the creators themselves.
Considering that cheat is free external base on unknown cheats im going to assume this man is not very knowledgeable on cheats. Also using window mouse events is easily detectable, I wrote a cheat for overwatch and was banned in 3 seconds after automating my mouse movement. This just reinforces what the man said and the reason people are getting banned in waves is because they will be more likely to rebuy an account where as if they got banned in 5 days they wouldnt want to rebuy an account. Adding kernel level anti-cheat would solve the cheating problem completely for about 1-2 months but once people create kernel level cheats the cheating gets bad. For instance valorant there was a cheater in 3/10 games in my immortal lobbies. Also since cs has been out for a long time i'm sure there is already kernel level cheats. AI Vac will probably completely revolutionize cheating the anti-cheat industry if they can have a viewer in every match watching the gameplay and detect cheaters visually by learning what cheaters do and noticing cheaters hitting crazy shots or playing crazy postions. Obviously this may be fairly expensive for valve but thats really the only sound proof way to prevent cheaters
and yet there is AI cheats that can compete with AI anticheats. i just delete and stop playing any online game ever i play rdr2 god of war and some good single player games no online there is no hope for fair online competition
the logic of the guy you have interviewed was like a logic of a 10 year old holding a nintendo.
This is the same thing as the tarkov cheating scandal why would a company permanently stop a passive income source which are the cheaters always buying new accounts
Great video! Feels awesome that you have the possibility to show this issue to a large audience.
I know cheat devs have different ways of making walls and aim hacks but making single fire weapons go automatic or fire all bullets instantly, how is that not the easiest thing to detect or prevent?