It is essential to understand the relationship between loft and club head speed. IF you have the club head speed, by all means, go ahead and deloft all you want. If you don't have the club head speed of PGA pros, be very careful. You may end up not getting enough spin and height, and you may lose distance while never ever holding a green.
Hogwash. I just played with a 5’ 7” 61 year old who is a 2 and shot 67 on a decent par 72 course. He does NOT have swing speed of a tour pro, he de-lofts his irons and was hitting it low and flushed EVERYTHING.
@@fordfrick4128 good for him. Does that make it great for everyone? Read my comment again "you may lose distance while never ever holding a green". If it works for you friend great. It doesn't work for everyone. DUH!
I swept at the ball for years. It wasn't until I started drilling contacting the ball on the downswing that I realized how much difference it makes. My swing thought that helped me was hit the ball INTO the ground. My scores dropped drastically as I was finally able to impart spin on the ball which REALLY helps with distance control. PINCH THE BALL BOYS! ⛳
Looking forward to trying this. I typically carry my 7 iron about 145, but my launch angle is way too high - anywhere from 20-25 degrees, at times. I’ve been told that with a 7 iron, it should be closer to 17 degrees.
I’m a 6 handicap and this is me. I hit a 8 iron 135yds. I’m 2 clubs more than my friends and I think this could help me. Thanks very much for the great drill and explanation of the swing. I will keep you posted how it goes 👏👏👏
@@dantrav1927 it’s true my drives are 200 to 210 yds on average. My chipping and putting is very good I total 25 putts normally per round. I know my distance is poor which is why I made up for it being very effective. My bad rounds I shoot between 80 and 82 shots which is 4 to 6 over our home course is a par 72
Very similar to me. Could be partly down to loft angles. My Titleist 716 CB irons are lofted more than many clubs. For examply, my 7i is lofted at 35° while some "game improvement" 7 irons are 27° (same as my 5i). That's a huge difference. At least that's what I like to tell myself as I hide my club cover before hitting off on a 140m par 3 (with a 6i)! Cheers - Dave
I will be interested how this goes for you Chris. Yes your distance for an 8 iron is like a PW. If you pick up an extra 20 yards per club and with your short game you could easily drop 2-3 shots. Best of luck
Easily the best golf channel for relatable, realistic and understandable coaching - to the extent that I've deleted all the videos I'd saved from other golf 'gurus'! One question on this drill - where did you get the hitting bag? Thanks!
My problem is weight transfer, so I tend to send my shots to high. This is a current area I’m working on. But I still hit my 7 iron about 160 yards, I’m happy enough but there’s probably another 15 yards to gain once I tweak my swing.
I always find when I am playing a low punch shot from under tree branches that I absolutley flush it lol.i think this video demonstrates that kind of shot.
Thank you sir. Question on partial shots would there be a tendency to not “drive through” with the body which slows the body down and lets the arms overtake and hook left? Is it still the same body- driven approach for partial shots?
Sir, what do you personally feel to make sure you’re making a “full” and “deep enough” backswing? Sometimes i think this is the $1M question. Does it relate to your left shoulder getting over your right foot, getting your hips turned at least 45-60 degrees? How do you make sure you’re making a sufficiently long and deep enough backswing without it feeling manufactured and losing the built up torque at the top?
I can get more distance with this technique in short / mid iron but in long iron such as 5 iron or 4 iron, ball position is change, i can’t deloft it like short iron, so my long irons distance are very near mid irons distance
As the irons get longer... you begin to do more woodish like contact... at least from my observation. Less divots and more sweeping. I love hitting my 4i and 5i. Use to hate them. 😅
@@HookemFishing I hit better with hybrid but I love solid feeling in long iron too. Looklike issue is my swing speed isn’t enough for make the ball high and when i shaft lean hit in long iron, the ball flight is very very low and get carry less than mid iron. So I will order mid-high flight shaft and lower weight shaft spec in long iron for get more carry and feel more comfortable when i hit long iron
@@hamfat4515 yeah nothing wrong with hybrids. Love hitting them too. I'm not good enough to decide one over the other. I do know that you get more spin with irons.
I struggle with this. It feels as though I have to have my left hand in a position of seeing no knuckles at setup to achieve this. Is this wrong or may it help?
Jonathan, regardles other correct swing conditions I wonder isn't this just a way/manner using a 7i as a 5i and a 5i as a 3i. i.e. the "misuse" of the intentional design or is there more to that I can't imagen.
You can only deloft as much as the pros if you have equal club head speeds. Delofting without the same speeds will result in low spin and less distance. You will hit very low shots and hold zero greens. It is best to see a reputable pro to get a lesson. You can then match your swing to your ability. I've seen a lot of people chasing this PGA shaft lean and hitting shot 40 feet off the ground and wondering why they can't hold the green ;/
You are dead on my problem is o know when my face gets open (transition start of downswing) but I don’t know why or what I’m doing wrong I’m square/closed at take away all the way up the backswing
Wouldn’t this teach you to become more used to feeling an open club head after contact instead of rotating it closed thru your follow thru after contact?
What if you issue is the opposite. I almost turn my 7i into a 6i my spi. Rates are about 5100 and carry 190 to 195 with 12 to 15 yards of roll out. I also have a more in to out swing. That sometimes gets to extreme. Hitting far is great but if I can't hold a green is it worth it? Been trying to work on fades for club face control and to get my spin Rates up
It is essential to understand the relationship between loft and club head speed. IF you have the club head speed, by all means, go ahead and deloft all you want. If you don't have the club head speed of PGA pros, be very careful. You may end up not getting enough spin and height, and you may lose distance while never ever holding a green.
Well said. I think I have this issue. I started delofting my irons in an effort to compress the ball and I’ve noticed I’ve lost height and distance
Hogwash. I just played with a 5’ 7” 61 year old who is a 2 and shot 67 on a decent par 72 course. He does NOT have swing speed of a tour pro, he de-lofts his irons and was hitting it low and flushed EVERYTHING.
@@fordfrick4128 good for him. Does that make it great for everyone? Read my comment again "you may lose distance while never ever holding a green". If it works for you friend great. It doesn't work for everyone. DUH!
@@ashleywalls4097 Well considering that NOTHING “works for everyone” I’m not sure what your point is?
@@fordfrick4128 Nevermind man, I REALLY don't want to argue with an idiot on the internet. It's exhausting.
Top drawer lesson and explanation and drill, doesn't get any better for online instruction that is SIMPLE and WORKS!
Thanks Eric!
I swept at the ball for years. It wasn't until I started drilling contacting the ball on the downswing that I realized how much difference it makes. My swing thought that helped me was hit the ball INTO the ground. My scores dropped drastically as I was finally able to impart spin on the ball which REALLY helps with distance control. PINCH THE BALL BOYS! ⛳
Looking forward to trying this. I typically carry my 7 iron about 145, but my launch angle is way too high - anywhere from 20-25 degrees, at times. I’ve been told that with a 7 iron, it should be closer to 17 degrees.
Nice, super , good video lesson and drill to practice. Thanks
I’m a 6 handicap and this is me. I hit a 8 iron 135yds. I’m 2 clubs more than my friends and I think this could help me. Thanks very much for the great drill and explanation of the swing. I will keep you posted how it goes 👏👏👏
This will help big time for you Chris 🤙🏻
@@dantrav1927 it’s true my drives are 200 to 210 yds on average. My chipping and putting is very good I total 25 putts normally per round. I know my distance is poor which is why I made up for it being very effective. My bad rounds I shoot between 80 and 82 shots which is 4 to 6 over our home course is a par 72
@@dantrav1927 my friends would hit a pitching wedge 135 and I hit a 8 iron 135yds just to clarify
Very similar to me. Could be partly down to loft angles. My Titleist 716 CB irons are lofted more than many clubs. For examply, my 7i is lofted at 35° while some "game improvement" 7 irons are 27° (same as my 5i). That's a huge difference. At least that's what I like to tell myself as I hide my club cover before hitting off on a 140m par 3 (with a 6i)! Cheers - Dave
I will be interested how this goes for you Chris. Yes your distance for an 8 iron is like a PW. If you pick up an extra 20 yards per club and with your short game you could easily drop 2-3 shots. Best of luck
Easily the best golf channel for relatable, realistic and understandable coaching - to the extent that I've deleted all the videos I'd saved from other golf 'gurus'! One question on this drill - where did you get the hitting bag? Thanks!
Thanks Andrew! I got the impact bag from Amazon 👍🏼
My problem is weight transfer, so I tend to send my shots to high. This is a current area I’m working on. But I still hit my 7 iron about 160 yards, I’m happy enough but there’s probably another 15 yards to gain once I tweak my swing.
I always find when I am playing a low punch shot from under tree branches that I absolutley flush it lol.i think this video demonstrates that kind of shot.
Same with me. That's an excellent pickup!
Same, but I can’t transfer it to the full swing for the life of me 😩
@@kirkmoore9356 You may need to carry a low hanging tree branch around with you! 🙂
good one thanks
Thanks Donny
Simple and easy video
This appears to be my "holy grail". Heading to the range to implement. Thanks for highlighting this concept!
Overhand Golf reference?
That's his thing, "the Holy Grail", and I can tell ya, it's pretty damn eye opening.
Thank you sir. Question on partial shots would there be a tendency to not “drive through” with the body which slows the body down and lets the arms overtake and hook left? Is it still the same body- driven approach for partial shots?
Super video. Thanks. Could hitting that bag hard damage a shaft/club?
Thanks! If you go hard at the bag with driver it can damage the shaft, so ease off with driver 👍🏼
If you truly love golf like most of us watching this kinda stuff, you should have enough clubs to outfit the neighborhood
@@kenneththomas2706 Not when your missus is the household CFO!
Sir, what do you personally feel to make sure you’re making a “full” and “deep enough” backswing? Sometimes i think this is the $1M question. Does it relate to your left shoulder getting over your right foot, getting your hips turned at least 45-60 degrees? How do you make sure you’re making a sufficiently long and deep enough backswing without it feeling manufactured and losing the built up torque at the top?
Speaking of wedges and i’m sorry for going off topic, should i feel like i’m hitting “out to in” or should ball position take care of all of that..
Hey Jonathan, I’m really enjoying your videos and channel. I tried to find you on the Skillest app and I can’t seem to find your profile.
Thanks Matt. I’m currently away. My profile on Skillest will become visible again on the 8th 👍🏼
I broke my two wrists ! Thank you 😂
What launch monitor are you using for hitting into the net?
This is exactly what I struggle with. I have tried the impact bag and the pump drill in the past but it hasn't helped.
May I ask what golf simulator you are using?
it's a Flightscope
J. What launch monitor are you using?
Flightscope mevo+
I can get more distance with this technique in short / mid iron but in long iron such as 5 iron or 4 iron, ball position is change, i can’t deloft it like short iron, so my long irons distance are very near mid irons distance
May be other issues influencing that problem
As the irons get longer... you begin to do more woodish like contact... at least from my observation. Less divots and more sweeping. I love hitting my 4i and 5i. Use to hate them. 😅
@@HookemFishing I hit better with hybrid but I love solid feeling in long iron too.
Looklike issue is my swing speed isn’t enough for make the ball high and when i shaft lean hit in long iron, the ball flight is very very low and get carry less than mid iron.
So I will order mid-high flight shaft and lower weight shaft spec in long iron for get more carry and feel more comfortable when i hit long iron
@@hamfat4515 yeah nothing wrong with hybrids. Love hitting them too. I'm not good enough to decide one over the other. I do know that you get more spin with irons.
I struggle with this. It feels as though I have to have my left hand in a position of seeing no knuckles at setup to achieve this. Is this wrong or may it help?
Jonathan, regardles other correct swing conditions I wonder isn't this just a way/manner using a 7i as a 5i and a 5i as a 3i.
i.e. the "misuse" of the intentional design or is there more to that I can't imagen.
dont we want higher shots / more spin especially on 7+ irons to stop on greens? I feel like mine are too low right now
We do but we don’t want far too much loft and spin losing us distance
You can only deloft as much as the pros if you have equal club head speeds. Delofting without the same speeds will result in low spin and less distance. You will hit very low shots and hold zero greens. It is best to see a reputable pro to get a lesson. You can then match your swing to your ability. I've seen a lot of people chasing this PGA shaft lean and hitting shot 40 feet off the ground and wondering why they can't hold the green ;/
You are dead on my problem is o know when my face gets open (transition start of downswing) but I don’t know why or what I’m doing wrong I’m square/closed at take away all the way up the backswing
Take a look at your wrist angles 👍🏼
I can’t keep my right arm connected on a full backswing if I maintain a square club face. I need to open the club face to keep my right arm down.
whats your 8 iron loft?
Wouldn’t this teach you to become more used to feeling an open club head after contact instead of rotating it closed thru your follow thru after contact?
No need to close a face that’s already square to the arc
How much do you deloft the driver, and how much are you hitting up on it? That’s the only part of your video that throws me off.
Thanks.
Can’t give an exact answer as it all depends on the players club head speed
What if you issue is the opposite. I almost turn my 7i into a 6i my spi. Rates are about 5100 and carry 190 to 195 with 12 to 15 yards of roll out. I also have a more in to out swing. That sometimes gets to extreme. Hitting far is great but if I can't hold a green is it worth it? Been trying to work on fades for club face control and to get my spin Rates up
I hope the kid in the window next door got some benefit out of that.
😁👍
Thanks bud!
He is NOT de-lofting to the point where he turns a 7 into a 5i.
This is the very secret of golf..