Upair, fair, up b, and upsmash Lots of other things would be glorious for samus, stronger down tilt, better dash attack hitbox (just make the strong hit the early hit like others), giving her full CS all the shield damage again so she has a reason to use it and so she gets her shield break setups again, and buffed missiles, etc Moves with her arm cannon could have some disjoint and I think she’d be fine imo, especially upsmash and dair Also ftilt could come out frame 6 instead of 8, that would help her whiff punish game significantly
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI mood, the fact he can hardly kill without a 15 second window for a limit is a disgrace. also HE HAS A BIG SWORD WHY IS HIS NAIR SO TRASH
Kiato I agree with all of what you said, only thing is when they do balance changes I don’t think they will revert mechanics like ryu instant turning around or limit running out, so if he has to have limit run out he should get it sooner and have it last longer, like as long as an untouched joker Arsene If they could get rid of it entirely though I would much prefer that
Ultimate L he's not fine, he's missing hit boxes, literally you can see a move connect and it does no damage, and Nair is to small and limit goes away to early so people just run and camp it out, and having a recovery that doesn't snap to ledge is ridiculous for a character so weak, most times he's not killing before 150, I've seen Mario live to 200% and I seen several Characters live to 170%, your just salty that you where bad at the cloud matchup in smash 4
@@lil4skin867 limit cross slash doesn't kill at 130 at ledge, limit climb hazard almost never kills, limit blade beam only kills if used to edge guard otherwise it kills really late, and finishing touch hit boxes aren't consistent and the wind box hurts more than helps, b-air can be easily be spaced out and has to be set up into and u-tilt doesn't have that much range and isn't a reliable kill option to begin with. So the only way to kill with Cloud is to edge guard and set up back air confirms lol
We see Joker winning a lot of neutral at the micro game with these small conversions or just better trades that out space the other characters. Samus doesn't have to be a long range zone character, there are plenty of good safe pressure options up close. Basically only a non samus main will tell you that this character can't get away with close tatics.
9:32 commentator says that joker doing jab-jump dair is unsafe sheild pressure. I disagree with him, nit because I think it is safe, but because he is baiting a roll in. 9:22 he does this exact thing and even gets the read, as well as a nice combo for percent. The only difference is that ivy let go of sheild right then and instead of rolling, buffered air dodge. Nevertheless it had the same implication. I understand live commentators can't replay clips and may get some stuff wrong here and there, but come on man it JUST happened 😂
What Slep is saying is that jab 1 on shield is very minus and loses to a good oos option if you react or buffer it. It worked for Joker because Sparg0 probably wasn't used to dealing with it and wasn't ready for the situation, but if you know your character's frame data and have practiced against it it's not a favorable interaction for Samus.
Grabbing him while the platform was leaving was hilarious 😂
"GET OVER HERE!!!"
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Man, Joker really is top tier :B
Is Joker the best Samus? I think so.
Samus needs buffs too.
He needs his multi hits to connect better. Luckily in this set they mostly did connect.
YB may be a little better, the only buff she needs imo is her multihits fixed: up air, fair, up b etc
@@chetbreister4770 They're both sick
@@chetbreister4770 idk dude, samus sucks, she's only a mid tier. I really want to see a Samus winning a major.
Upair, fair, up b, and upsmash
Lots of other things would be glorious for samus, stronger down tilt, better dash attack hitbox (just make the strong hit the early hit like others), giving her full CS all the shield damage again so she has a reason to use it and so she gets her shield break setups again, and buffed missiles, etc
Moves with her arm cannon could have some disjoint and I think she’d be fine imo, especially upsmash and dair
Also ftilt could come out frame 6 instead of 8, that would help her whiff punish game significantly
I've been watching a lot of joker's Samus plays. This man gives me hope for my main.
Where my fellow samus mains at?
RIGHT HERE!!!
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samus we unite.
✋😳
I'm always happy to see sparg0
Buff cloud please, not that that has anything to do with spargo being completely outplayed this set
@@ISoundMasterBlasterI mood, the fact he can hardly kill without a 15 second window for a limit is a disgrace. also HE HAS A BIG SWORD WHY IS HIS NAIR SO TRASH
Buff Samus
Kiato I agree with all of what you said, only thing is when they do balance changes I don’t think they will revert mechanics like ryu instant turning around or limit running out, so if he has to have limit run out he should get it sooner and have it last longer, like as long as an untouched joker Arsene
If they could get rid of it entirely though I would much prefer that
Ultimate L in ultimate everyone’s busted, smash 4cloud in this game still wouldn’t be top 10, he needs buffs
Ultimate L he's not fine, he's missing hit boxes, literally you can see a move connect and it does no damage, and Nair is to small and limit goes away to early so people just run and camp it out, and having a recovery that doesn't snap to ledge is ridiculous for a character so weak, most times he's not killing before 150, I've seen Mario live to 200% and I seen several Characters live to 170%, your just salty that you where bad at the cloud matchup in smash 4
“Charging up the mouthwash”.
I like the little names they give to moves
Dude, Joker is insane! Definitely a solid watch for picking up Samus tips and tricks.
It's good to see Sparg0 trying other chars.
Cloud needs buffs.
Fortress of Solitude Eh, with Clouds huge hit boxes and frame data. Nah he’s good. Don’t need a smash 4 repeat.
@@riotron1026 huge hitboxes? excuse me? his nair is one of the most ridiculous moves in the game, he have nothing to kill. Cloud needs buffs.
chisco1217 back air kills and all his limit burst moves kill
@@chisco1217 bruh literally most of his moves kill; f-tilt kills, all the limit moves kill, back-air
@@lil4skin867 limit cross slash doesn't kill at 130 at ledge, limit climb hazard almost never kills, limit blade beam only kills if used to edge guard otherwise it kills really late, and finishing touch hit boxes aren't consistent and the wind box hurts more than helps, b-air can be easily be spaced out and has to be set up into and u-tilt doesn't have that much range and isn't a reliable kill option to begin with. So the only way to kill with Cloud is to edge guard and set up back air confirms lol
The fair drag down into down tilt was insane, I've never seen that. Time to learn some new tricks : )
We see Joker winning a lot of neutral at the micro game with these small conversions or just better trades that out space the other characters. Samus doesn't have to be a long range zone character, there are plenty of good safe pressure options up close. Basically only a non samus main will tell you that this character can't get away with close tatics.
lookin cool joker!
That grab was nasty!
And people called me crazy when I said Samus has the advantage vs Cloud.
I don't have a pause option...
Awesome Samus player
I love watching Spargo play, but he was handled here
Joker is the best Samus out there right now
Joker = Hugs ?
9:32 commentator says that joker doing jab-jump dair is unsafe sheild pressure.
I disagree with him, nit because I think it is safe, but because he is baiting a roll in.
9:22 he does this exact thing and even gets the read, as well as a nice combo for percent. The only difference is that ivy let go of sheild right then and instead of rolling, buffered air dodge. Nevertheless it had the same implication.
I understand live commentators can't replay clips and may get some stuff wrong here and there, but come on man it JUST happened 😂
What Slep is saying is that jab 1 on shield is very minus and loses to a good oos option if you react or buffer it. It worked for Joker because Sparg0 probably wasn't used to dealing with it and wasn't ready for the situation, but if you know your character's frame data and have practiced against it it's not a favorable interaction for Samus.
And Spargo is now #1.
JOKER IS MY SPIRIT ANIMAL
Best Samus ever
I thought Spargo was a prodigy?
Online*
ngl toasty is kinda cute
quiK > Every other Samus
Whoever was playing cloud was not a cloud main 😂
Joker looks like a white version of Izaw lol
Spargo a one hit wonder
25th is nothing to sneeze at
Facts
...who's ranked #2 in SoCal by consistently performing well at stacked events
HAH! I love seeing Sparg0 get bodied like that. I mean I know he's a kid, but he's so full of himself.
Eduardo Rivera lol ok
Sparg0 this is gold
awkward
@@sparg0147 Aww it's ok kid. You'll learn :)
Talking shit about a 12 year old. Your parents must be proud of you.
He just sent the kid back to his mommy.