SNP MSP calls Deposit Return Scheme ‘immoral’ as firm to keep the cash from unredeemed deposits
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- The company set up to run Scotland’s deposit return scheme (DRS) will keep any funds raised when shoppers fail to return empty cans and drinks bottles.
Circular economy minister Lorna Slater was challenged over claims that shoppers failing to bring their empty containers back for recycling could net Circularity Scotland some £57 million a year.
Meanwhile SNP MSP and former Scottish rural economy secretary Fergus Ewing suggested this practice of keeping the cash from unredeemed deposits was “simply immoral”.
He said it would be the poorest Scots would struggle to take empty cans and bottles back to collection points - and therefore would not be able to reclaim the 20p deposit that will be charged on all drinks sold in such containers from August 16.
Challenging the minister on this in Holyrood, Mr Ewing said: “Their money will go to the non-disclosed but probably telephone number salaries of the bosses of Circularity Scotland.
“Is this transfer of money, from the poorest to the richest, not simply immoral?”
Ms Slater hit back by saying Mr Ewing “mischaracterises the scheme entirely” in his remarks.
She stressed instead that any money from unredeemed deposits would go towards reducing the running costs for DRS.
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Is she convincing herself?
Yes trying she had probably got shares intjis company
Will Biffa rock up to my door and uplift all my IrnBru cans from the wheelie bin and give me a cheque?
Maybe Biffa or who ever the curb side collector is will separate them and take your 20p s . That’s what curb side hope you do as your down 20p they are up 20p . Good business if you can get it.
I try to get things in bulk via transport ( I don’t drive ) so how will I get my 20p’s back? I’m glad it’s going to a rich private company who don’t have to declare the top knobs earnings , oh the joy
They are globalists she is not interested in the small people.
@@jamesmason8944 the ironic thing is they are also small people in the big bad world outside Scotland.
@@johnmclean1046 They will be tossed aside when they are no longer relevant.
The frightening thing is they have this evangelical exuberance that blinds then to reality. Nicolas's naivety in thinking all peoples of the world are compassionate, caring and considerate when she spouts off about welcoming the world to our shores is truly frightening.
Yep she needs investigating
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How the flying.... f;;k has she gotten into the position of power she holds? She's an absolute rocket.
God knows she wasn't even voted in
Only there to prop up the numpties
Mhpoefully in2 weeks she will be gone
She has friends in hi places,
She only got 1725 votes and was dragged in by The Supreme Leader to bolster SNP numbers.
The SNP, thats why.
Probably did some ironing with Elsie
Make this ultimate useless Green Slug work in the canteen.
The Greens - incompetent as well as creepy. Thanks for nothing Sturgeon
Considering that the aim is to deprive most of us of our cars....not going to work......for those who have a car to make the trip to a drop off point an extra journey........not exactly green is it.
It’s very green because you return when you shop and we all shop so it’s one journey to do two things . If it’s online shopping the supermarket will collect when they deliver
We had a milkman
Never answered the question AGAIN! The unclaimed money should be going to charity. It is not Circularity Scotland's money to keep! This alone should be putting the brakes on until this matter is satisfactorily resolved.
It's another failer for the SNP government not thinking of anyone except for the £s to replace the money that's been wasted on something else like ferries.
See all the msps earning their salaries again
Don’t really understand why a can of juice or bottle container is any different from peas or beans.
Anyone thinking of holidaying in scotland make sure you go well stocked from the south of the border then return bottles, etc, before you leave, quids in
Does this mean milk will go up 20p a bottle?
84 million people in Germany recycle 98% of glass,CAN & PET , it appears other countries with a return to retail model can cope . Only saying your objections aren’t genuine but need research .
We had DRS in the 1950-70s and it worked well ,but the Tories and their big supermarket friends wanted to change the playing friends and the Tories where then as crooked as they are now . Out went milk bottles , lemonade , jam jar returns and drinks bottles. So all the dancing about a scheme that will reduce waste is a good thing , only idiots or those with a self interest would draw a sword on it . If you can take the time to go to the outlet to buy it surly it’s easy to drop off the empty one, or is it some people are just to thick to see the advantages.
Soon there will be Tory Fake Tramps roaming bins the length and breadth of Scotland just to get a wee bit of extra income to pay their 'Gas Bills'.
Years ago it was mostly lemonade and milk bottles that were recycled. The milkman lifted the empties when delivering the fresh milk to the doorstep. The lemonade bottles were returned either to the local ice cream van or the local shop.
Jam jars, beer cans or bottles were binned in the same bucket as other rubbish.
Times have changed with cans being sold on a massive scale compared to years ago. Pubs had mostly glass bottles to return, now it’s hundreds of cans after a weekend opening.
It’s going to increase the cost of a case of soft drinks by £4.80, if anybody is disabled or housebound and gets their groceries delivered, how are they going to return the empties ?
Most litter around the countryside and towns is from people who buy a can of juice, or those energy drinks while wandering around. Do you honestly think they are going to keep a hold of that empty can while out with friends, till they find a recycling point ? No, they are just going to throw it away.
Sure it’s a good idea, but the way Slater is implementing it, leaves a lot to be desired.
Businesses down south will have to label any product heading north differently. Small brewers and gin producers etc will struggle to meet the extra costs.
Why couldn’t they wait until 2025 when a similar scheme will be introduced in the rest of the UK ? That way the whole country changes at the same time, a more sensible idea.
Slater is just on an ego trip similar to how Sturgeon did things. Trying to bulldoze ideas through, causing more and more problems than there should be.
The bottom line is, most people who already recycle by putting their cans and plastic bottles in a certain coloured bin at home, which is uplifted by the council, will probably use the recycle machines.
The ones who throw single cans, glass or plastic bottles away after drinking the contents outside, will probably continue to do so. You’re certainly not going to see young ones hanging about with empty cans or bottles, holding onto them till they get home.
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Best reply I have read to this ill thought out scheme.
the points you miss are, 1) there was no additional charge on cans and bottles in the 60s like there is now, 2) we already have recycling scheme by councils paid for in council tax, 3) extra petrol/diesel needed to drive to the drop off point, and if they are out of order for any reason means driving to find another, 4) average car at 40mpg will cost about 17p per mile just in fuel, a 6 mile round trip (if you're lucky) will cost £1.02 for one can, if the drop point is much further you'll need a lot of cans to be cost effective...
that's not good for the planet and goes against the Greens' mantra, and if you can't see that you're as thick as the Greens and SNP...
Someone take her script away.
That woman is a bloody disaster
Should she have looked into these basic issues before implementing the Scheme
that would take thinking and intelligence, both lacking in Slater, if she was bright she'd have analysed this scheme and binned it...
If you are poor and don't have a car ( as pointed out by Fergus ), do not worry. SNP Jenny Gilruth said. " poor people don't usually drive cars. " Yes, poor, that's how the SNP/Greens want to keep us.
My glass bottles will be getting smashed against a certain ugly building in Edinburgh 🤬🤬🤬
That’s more effort than returning them and might get you into a little bother 😂
@@totom5095 got to highlight the absurdity of this useless plan!!
Doomed to fail spectacularly , these green people should go & live on Mars they just might find other green people, some one will be making a lot of cash, it won't be the buyer.
Yup the Wendy house
It will be the company in the USA (ECP) who own Biffa, the company in Scotland who will be dealing with the recycling.
It works is Germany with 84million people very well and is far more complex so why can’t Scotland do it well
Get her oot
i agree send her back to canada
Get the whole SNP and Greens OOT,
@@jennyporraz Definitely
Its a crock of nonsense. Ill thought out and even if we ever get round to thinking this through properly we will only find it is as said nonsense and expensive nonsense at that.
It will be extremely expensive if we don’t because the rest of Europe is don’t it and going live on DRS so, our rPET will not be available nor CAN and the customer will pay heavily because every producer has to use recycled content as part of the EPR act .
Slater's shambles.
Has the minister done a impact assessment
Someone needs to do an impact test on Shergar’s daughter.
Years ago a scheme for pop bottles / can / milk bottles were on a return scheme it has been cancelled many times and won't last this time !!! Just another fad !!!
Good to see a well thought through reply by Murray Maclean. It's basically everybody else who's wrong apparently. Nothing to do with a poorly thought out scheme with bigger holes than the ferry's that haven't been built
La la la la la la, just like nicola’s snp, the greens are clearly also ‘awash with talent’….unless she loses her folder
No brain to think for herself
Like them all has to read from the prepared script
Where does the material go that is not reclaimed ? Exactly thrown out into the environment?
As for taking material let’s go to the extreme in most weeks Asda for instance could have as much as 10000 customers or more ,buying x amount of returnable items ,so 1 . People will require to bag or store the items , and people being lazy , will take the items and dispose of them in their nearest shop , why ! Most large outlets normally are some distance from their homes , so people will to clear their empties take them to their nearest shop , usually a small corner one , so out of 10000 plus Asda customers how many will do this ? Say 25% as many people might have 5 to 10 empty containers to return ? That could be 25000 going into the wee corner shop ? Of course slater by name & slater y nature will say no way , but the reality it is possible to happen or even a higher number , two faults here 1 . Does the machine/ shop have the money available to re- fund it what happens if the machine(in some cases) is full ? It breaks down ? The fly boys of the village know it’s full of deposit money ? Vandalised to get to it , a new machine or major repair required costing
Hundreds ? Who pays for the repairs , a technical fault happens at weekends ? Who pays for repairs ? The further into the country that these machines the longer time it will take for repairs to be made, if this means less vehicles and council workers, fuel etc, are we getting a reduction for money by reducing the poll tax ? Basically she is an arse and an overpaid one at that , the snp and the greens are causing disasters owing to their stupid ideas that you would think were put forward by inmates of a lunatic asylum,
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if they want the 20p back, but there is already a recycling scheme by councils paid for in council tax, now this government want you to pay twice...
Slater and the rest of the revolting Greens should find themselves "unbusy" if Kate Forbes win.
Years ago we used to return barrs glass bottles…the government stopped it…now they want it back
Every time she stands up she picks up a folder and reads it lol
Well said ,it is immoral and that's why snp came up with it as they specialise in that subject and also for coming up with an idea they think is great but is ridiculous and not thought out .
It is about time 1727 resigned
Time for His Majesty's Government to stop this happening.
I'm more shocked an snp member actually spoke against it.
Please Canada, take her back (and the odious Patrick Harvie).
A second-rate scheme from a third-rate minister in a fourth-rate administration. She should be sacked, the scheme should be paused until it has been thought through and all these basic questions answered.
Where is her big red nose
Blah, blah, blah. The only person who sees this as a viable scheme is this list koonsillur. See what proportional representation gets you.
Utter incompetence.
Fergus Ewing is a tartan tory through and through
@clive mark He is a tartan tory, theres a difference: independence.
@clive mark Also how is a deposit return scheme stupid? It makes complete sense to me. Sure there are some issues that need ironed out but it is not a stupid idea.
This isn’t a properly thought out plan
I agree with Fergus it should be scrapped its money that God knows where it will go
this is nothing more than a stealth tax...
Is she real I thought we had all the numpty ideas in England but this person beats them all. I wonder what my Scots grands would have to say about this bunch.
Does Scotland not have recycling bins for domestic premises?
Yes but only a small % get back to the food chain . Really it’s about up cycling material and down cycling, which is low value use of high value materials.
What happens if drinks purchased in Berwick upon Tweed then empty taken north. Will all bottles be marked with ' sold in Scotland '
This is up to the producers and most will put a mark on the label to distinguish what is sold on both sides of the boarder, but in reality.. it could be a opportunity to make 20p if a producer does not place the mark on the label but it is a producer responsibility and cost to the producers not the tax payers