Works of the law is defined in Romans 3:20 & Galatians 3:10 as transgressions of the law. My #1 video 'Myths in so-called Christianity' expands on Romans 11:6.
1. A much easier, quicker, route (to prove "works of law" encompasses morality) is to just demonstrate "I would not have known what it was to covet except the law said 'do not covet'", and in Ro 3 he had already defined "works of law" as that through which knowledge of sin comes. 2. The issue ("does not work but believes") seems to only be workable with all the other Scriptures when you take Paul as meaning "Whose righteousness? Not my own from the Law but God's by grace through faith"... but does Paul think he's not going to actually do right now? No. He says "no covetous man who is an idolater has any inheritance", and in Ro 7 he wants to be set free from covetousness... so is he wanting deliverance from this invisible internal slavery or not? Of course he does. But it's by having and walking by faith in Christ that he is set free from spiritual slavery (as John 8 purports)... not by knowledge of good and evil (whereby he, flesh, could work his own righteousness). Or else you can't justify your view when you look at Ro 2:6-16, 26, 27 or Ro 14:5, 23, etc. Again, the question isn't whether Paul expects righteousness from his congregations (he delivers a man to satan for destruction of his flesh for immorality), but WHOSE righteousness it is--and "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith", so "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind", and breaking this command results in condemnation bc justification is based on righteousness (in the NT this is God's righteousness by faith), but the guy is breaking the Law of Faith and doing what he doubts is correct (Ro 14:23). 3a. "It wouldn't be a gift if you had to do any work" What about the fact that Jesus and Paul define what a man is able to DO as his GIFT (Mt 19:10-12; 1 Co 7). Interesting eh? 3b. Actually, the Promised Land was both given and to be possessed. Paul also tells Timothy "lay hold on the eternal life to which you were called". There is no issue with seeing eternal life as both a gift and as something we that we must still lay hold of by fighting the fight of faith. As Paul says at the end of his life "I have run my race. I have kept the faith. Hereafter is a crown of life laid up for me." Life is only for the righteous--and in the NT we are speaking of Gods righteousness, which is by faith... but did Paul just claim he was righteous, or didn't he do tons of righteous things? So having God's righteousness for your righteousness (so that it justifies you) doesn't just mean "I believe", it means you actually live differently... by faith in God's Son. "They no longer needed the light of the Sun for God and the Lamb are its light." They walk by beholding Christ.
● *"work/s"* - some examples: ○ *work of faith* 1-Thess 1^3 ○ *works of the flesh* Gal 5^19-21 (compare Rev 2^22) ○ *work of ministry* (plant, water): 1-Cor 3^5-15 ○ *works of the (Jewish) law* Rom 3^28-29 (compare: Eph 2^9-15 & Php 3^4-9) ○ *the works of Abraham* Jn 8^39 (see also: Gen 26^5) ○ *works meet for repentance* Ac 26^20 (Lk 3^8-14) ○ *the first works* Rev 2^5 ○ *good work/s* Rom 2^7, Eph 2^10, Titus 2^14, Heb 10^24 ○ *My works* Rev 2^26
Be honest did you watch the video? It is fine if not, but I would recommend it before commenting since it addresses most of your points and the nature of works. We were discussing works of the law in Romans 2-4, which are not merely Jewish ceremonial laws as I proved. Obviously the term work or deed can be used in a general sense like "your work of ministry", although even ministering the gospel is also a work of the law as it loves God and others. Good works are those done in accordance with the law. The first works are also used more generally, but would also align with works of the law. The works of Abraham is also used generally to mean "what Abraham did" , but again, all deeds that can be classified as good or bad are encompassed in God's all-encompassing moral law. Belief is one work, we aren't justified by works (plural, more than that one). Even then it is a bit different from all other works in classification as belief is how you freely receive God's free gift of salvation (Eph 2:8-9).
If faith was a work, not by works, Jesus clears that up nicely with the only work of GOD in John 6:28-29... 28 "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might WORK the WORKS of God?" 29 "Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the WORK of GOD, that YE BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent." John 6:29 Work, and not of "works" although faith unto salvation is not meritorious. Solid teaching, thank you brother. Praise and glory to GOD.
Question. How do we deal with those that say if we are saved we will have a natural outflow of good works? That to me seems like backloading works. Is there any scripture you could point me towards?
Sounds nice and I'd be on board with it but it just isn't biblical. There are too many examples of true believers sinning abundantly, unrepentantly, and even leaving the faith. It is backloading and pretty dumb since the Bible tells believers 100s of times to do good works and not sin or leave the faith, which would be absurd if that weren't possible for true believers. Luke 8:13 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief Heb 3:12-19 -Moses and the Israelites believed and fell away if u cross ref it with Num 20, Exodus 4:31, 14:31, Psa 78, Psa 106, and ESPECIALLY Heb 11:29 which shows everyone in that chapter is saved, including the Israelites. Heb 10:27-30 - believers can still willfully in this context referring mostly to apostasy and going back to animal sacrifices "if we sin", including Paul himself. Heb 6:1-6 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief Galatians 1:6, 5:4 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief 1 Cor 10:12 Mark 16:13-16 - even the apostles didnt believe the gospel after Christ rose (albeit for a short time but it proves believers can stop believing) Heb 2:3 - we can neglect core doctrines Col 1:22-23 - IF, meaning u can or can not remain in the faith 2 Tim 2:13 - apisteo believe not always refers to a state of unbelief. Hence, we can stop believing even as true believers. Habitual sin 1 Cor 3:1-3, 5:1-5 2 Cor 12:19-21 - Paul addresses unrepentant fornicating believers whom he calls beloved and sealed by the Spirit in 1:22. Rom 6:12 - he commands them to not let sin reign in your body which obv implies it is possible. Rom 7:14-25 - Paul speaks in the present tense that he is carnal and makes a habit of sinning. he is sold under sin meeaning under his desire to do it. This is def post conversion Paul (again present tense), but in v.6-13 I believe around there he speaks in the past tense when he was unsaved and under the law. So that shift proves he is speaking presently. John 15:2 (branch in Christ producing minimal fruit) Matt 13:5-8 - same as Luke 8, minimal fruit 2 Pet 1:9 - can forget u were cleansed of ur sin James 2:14-17 - James is writing to believers about the possibility of possessing a dead faith, which he warns THEM about in v.8-20. So the dead faith thing backfires on these people, just gotta define it properly it doesn't mean non genuine faith.
Romans 3 speaks to those "under the law", which is those condemned by the law, all those that have sinned, only those of faith are justified as whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
@@2Chronicles714_ well if you watched the video I should’ve definitively answered that at least indirectly as yes, obedience to the commandments of God are works of the law (especially if you understand obedience to Christ to encompass moral commandments, which is true). The word “obey” can be used differently like in rom 10:16-17 as well, but I think you’re alluding to keeping his commandments. I also just made a similar video very recently on this topic (ik it’s a little long but might be worth 1.5x watching).
@ we should keep them (Titus 3:8) because they’re still good deeds. Good is good, and it helps others, earns rewards, and avoids judgement on this earth but not hell. Even atheists try to keep most of these commands (and Muslims). They’re inherently good. I’m just saying you aren’t required to keep them for salvation, you can go to heaven even while breaking the commandments and doing no good works (Matt 5:19, rom 4:5).
@DitmarHoxha While following the 10 commandments without repentance and faith resulting in grace won't save you,true believers absolutely must follow the 10 commandments. God has written His laws in our hearts. 2 Corinthians 3:3 You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” Jesus condensed the 10 commandments into 2. Mark 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. Read carefully what Jesus says to the scribe: Mark 12:32-34 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34And WHEN JESUS SAW THAT HE ANSWERED DISCREETLY, HE SAID UNTO HIM, THOU ART NOT FAR FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD. And no man after that durst ask him any question. Jesus and Paul reaffirm following the 10 commandments. Romans 13:9-11 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. 11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed. Ephesians 6:2. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise,)
@@DitmarHoxha The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience. Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple” (Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples” (verse 33). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost; elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62). In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, some seek to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, some say that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21-23); in contrast, some teach that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough. Paul and James taught that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then they will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life 2 Corinthians 5:15,17 Galatians 5:22-24 James 2:14-26
It sounds like you are affirming works unto Salvation, especially when you break down the moral laws. The Bible says even the devils believe in God and they tremble, so believing is not sufficient enough for salvation.
Not sure what you mean by "affirming works UNTO salvation" in your first sentence. I believe salvation is by faith alone apart from any moral commandment keeping, and cannot be lost. Of course we should do good works because it glorifies God (Matt 5), profits others (Titus 3:8), and is just inherently morally good. You don’t need to be religious to desire to do good. It’s an entirely seperate logical point to go from “Jesus tells us to do the moral law” to “the only way to go to heaven is that we must keep the moral law.” We see quite the opposite in the scriptures, we all break God’s law every day so in what possible way could that be the means by which we enter heaven? The demons argument is not good, but you can quickly jump to my book which I linked in the description and ctrl f for "devils believe" or "James 2:18-19". Those points in page 328 are enough, but I will also make another video further elaborating on v.18-19. It isn't trying to say faith without works is demonic faith or whatever, The point is intended to convey that demons also believe things but they don’t love others, which is what we ought to do. It isn’t calling faith in Christ demonic faith, that is taking the analogy too far as James is not trying degrade ‘faith’ itself but comment on its profitability. “Dead” (nekros) isn’t meant to cheapen or insult the faith, or mean it isn't genuine real faith. Again, explaining all of James 2 is a bit outside of the scope of this YT comment. Be honest, did you watch the video because you didn't really critique any of the thorough points made, you just made an assertion that believing is not enough, which was the whole topic of the video. I get it, it is YT comments, but I'm curious how you'd respond. If the law described in Romans is moral in nature (13:8-10, 2:20-25), and 3:28/4:5, and tons of other verses in the book state we are not justified by works of the law,, then obviously isn't the conclusion that faith alone, without any good behavior is the only requirement to go to heaven (4:5)? The book even goes one step further saying if it is of works, it is no longer by grace (Rom 11:6), so you cannot mix works into your salvation at all. Romans 4:5 is also excellent. So I'm curious, is your claim that the law here is merely ceremonial, and if so, how do you debunk the thorough points I made in the video proving it is not?
James obviously knows that demons cannot be saved. A claim of belief minus repentance is a dead faith. Repentance and belief go hand in hand. You can't repent without believing and you can't believe without repenting. That's the point of James 2 that you are saved by faith,but it is a faith that works. It's not a static intellectual faith. It's a faith that motivates you. You start to do thing you'd never do before. Like John the Baptist said earlier as well as Paul show evidence of your repentance by your works. We are saved by Faith and not works however we are not saved IF our Faith does not work.
Works according to Paul are works of the law and are sins, no man is justified by sin. My latest video 'Ephesians 2:9. Not of works? #32 Myths in so-called Christianity'.
@@simonskinner1450 kindof addressing both ur comments. deeds of the good moral law (as it’s defined in romans) are sin? It says deeds OF the law, not specifying that they are deeds contrary to the law. So if you do deeds or works aligning with God’s moral law, that is sin? It also seems rather strange to read romans 3:20 and 4;5 that way, because nobody thought you were justified by sin. Paul would have no need to counter or clarify such a claim. Sin is the breaking of God’s law so nobody thought sin would be the mechanism by which you would go to heaven and be justified. Romans 3:20 reads incoherently like that. In fact, romans 4:5 says Christ justifies the ungodly, which means he does justify sinners but not because of their sin but their faith in Christ. Why don’t you apply this same principle to James 2, where it discusses the same law in v.8-12 as in romans 2:20-25 and 13:8-10, then talks about doing works. Why aren’t works sin there? Seems rather inconsistent and selective. Gal 3:12 also makes it clear the law itself (not even using the term works) is contrasted against faith, so not sure what you do with that.
@DitmarHoxha A couple of points in your reply; that you have assumed from somewhere not Romans that works are signing with morality, those works would justify, but Romans 3:20 is the imputation of sin by the experiential knowledge of sin; and this is Paul's gospel of salvation where he defines sin, grace and faith, so why would you assume knowledge of sin unless you read Romans.
@DitmarHoxha James specifies good works so aligns perfectly with Paul, as good works are to do with faith not the law, not breaking the law is not by works, breaking the law requires works such as murder.
@@simonskinner1450 James doesn't say "good works" he just says "works", at least in the KJV. The same works of the law as in Romans. In fact, ironically, James also talks about sin as transgressing the law like in Romans 3, so why aren't "works" in James 2 also sin? Obviously works should just be understood as good deeds unless explicitly qualified as bad works. Doing the mosaic law (deeds) is good, while breaking it is bad works. You can't say deeds of the law are bad deeds in Romans because it does not call them bad or evil works, they are just works of the law. The same works of the law Paul says we are not justified by (Rom 3:28) are the same works James tells us we ought to do to have a profitable faith (James 2:8-17). They both discuss the same law, they both talk about "works" without explicitly stating 'good works", as it is implied that deeds done in accordance with the good moral law are good. I think your view is just inconsistent and poor in terms of heremeneutics.
@DitmarHoxha Another point you make my friend is that nobody thought by committing sin was a mechanism to go to heaven, well the Scribes and Pharisees clearly did just that, they were called out by the prophets and Jesus as hypocrites, giving the law but not keeping it. They like Saul were lost sheep that believed wrongly their sins were atoned for by animal sacrifices. Romans 3 is speaking to those "under the law" as sinners, not referring to the law itself, but those that transgress the law.
Very educated understanding of scripture.
Works of the law is defined in Romans 3:20 & Galatians 3:10 as transgressions of the law. My #1 video 'Myths in so-called Christianity' expands on Romans 11:6.
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1. A much easier, quicker, route (to prove "works of law" encompasses morality) is to just demonstrate "I would not have known what it was to covet except the law said 'do not covet'", and in Ro 3 he had already defined "works of law" as that through which knowledge of sin comes.
2. The issue ("does not work but believes") seems to only be workable with all the other Scriptures when you take Paul as meaning "Whose righteousness? Not my own from the Law but God's by grace through faith"... but does Paul think he's not going to actually do right now? No. He says "no covetous man who is an idolater has any inheritance", and in Ro 7 he wants to be set free from covetousness... so is he wanting deliverance from this invisible internal slavery or not? Of course he does. But it's by having and walking by faith in Christ that he is set free from spiritual slavery (as John 8 purports)... not by knowledge of good and evil (whereby he, flesh, could work his own righteousness).
Or else you can't justify your view when you look at Ro 2:6-16, 26, 27 or Ro 14:5, 23, etc.
Again, the question isn't whether Paul expects righteousness from his congregations (he delivers a man to satan for destruction of his flesh for immorality), but WHOSE righteousness it is--and "God's righteousness is revealed from faith to faith", so "each man must be fully convinced in his own mind", and breaking this command results in condemnation bc justification is based on righteousness (in the NT this is God's righteousness by faith), but the guy is breaking the Law of Faith and doing what he doubts is correct (Ro 14:23).
3a. "It wouldn't be a gift if you had to do any work"
What about the fact that Jesus and Paul define what a man is able to DO as his GIFT (Mt 19:10-12; 1 Co 7). Interesting eh?
3b. Actually, the Promised Land was both given and to be possessed. Paul also tells Timothy "lay hold on the eternal life to which you were called". There is no issue with seeing eternal life as both a gift and as something we that we must still lay hold of by fighting the fight of faith. As Paul says at the end of his life "I have run my race. I have kept the faith. Hereafter is a crown of life laid up for me." Life is only for the righteous--and in the NT we are speaking of Gods righteousness, which is by faith... but did Paul just claim he was righteous, or didn't he do tons of righteous things? So having God's righteousness for your righteousness (so that it justifies you) doesn't just mean "I believe", it means you actually live differently... by faith in God's Son. "They no longer needed the light of the Sun for God and the Lamb are its light." They walk by beholding Christ.
● *"work/s"* - some examples:
○ *work of faith*
1-Thess 1^3
○ *works of the flesh*
Gal 5^19-21
(compare Rev 2^22)
○ *work of ministry*
(plant, water): 1-Cor 3^5-15
○ *works of the (Jewish) law*
Rom 3^28-29
(compare: Eph 2^9-15
& Php 3^4-9)
○ *the works of Abraham*
Jn 8^39 (see also: Gen 26^5)
○ *works meet for repentance*
Ac 26^20 (Lk 3^8-14)
○ *the first works*
Rev 2^5
○ *good work/s*
Rom 2^7, Eph 2^10,
Titus 2^14, Heb 10^24
○ *My works*
Rev 2^26
Be honest did you watch the video? It is fine if not, but I would recommend it before commenting since it addresses most of your points and the nature of works.
We were discussing works of the law in Romans 2-4, which are not merely Jewish ceremonial laws as I proved. Obviously the term work or deed can be used in a general sense like "your work of ministry", although even ministering the gospel is also a work of the law as it loves God and others.
Good works are those done in accordance with the law. The first works are also used more generally, but would also align with works of the law. The works of Abraham is also used generally to mean "what Abraham did" , but again, all deeds that can be classified as good or bad are encompassed in God's all-encompassing moral law. Belief is one work, we aren't justified by works (plural, more than that one). Even then it is a bit different from all other works in classification as belief is how you freely receive God's free gift of salvation (Eph 2:8-9).
If faith was a work, not by works, Jesus clears that up nicely with the only work of GOD in John 6:28-29...
28 "Then said they unto him,
What shall we do, that we might WORK the WORKS of God?"
29 "Jesus answered and said unto them,
This is the WORK of GOD,
that YE BELIEVE on him whom he hath sent."
John 6:29
Work, and not of "works" although faith unto salvation is not meritorious.
Solid teaching, thank you brother.
Praise and glory to GOD.
Question. How do we deal with those that say if we are saved we will have a natural outflow of good works? That to me seems like backloading works. Is there any scripture you could point me towards?
Sounds nice and I'd be on board with it but it just isn't biblical. There are too many examples of true believers sinning abundantly, unrepentantly, and even leaving the faith. It is backloading and pretty dumb since the Bible tells believers 100s of times to do good works and not sin or leave the faith, which would be absurd if that weren't possible for true believers.
Luke 8:13 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief
Heb 3:12-19 -Moses and the Israelites believed and fell away if u cross ref it with Num 20, Exodus 4:31, 14:31, Psa 78, Psa 106, and ESPECIALLY Heb 11:29 which shows everyone in that chapter is saved, including the Israelites.
Heb 10:27-30 - believers can still willfully in this context referring mostly to apostasy and going back to animal sacrifices "if we sin", including Paul himself.
Heb 6:1-6 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief
Galatians 1:6, 5:4 - pretty clear, believers can fall away from belief
1 Cor 10:12
Mark 16:13-16 - even the apostles didnt believe the gospel after Christ rose (albeit for a short time but it proves believers can stop believing)
Heb 2:3 - we can neglect core doctrines
Col 1:22-23 - IF, meaning u can or can not remain in the faith
2 Tim 2:13 - apisteo believe not always refers to a state of unbelief. Hence, we can stop believing even as true believers.
Habitual sin
1 Cor 3:1-3, 5:1-5
2 Cor 12:19-21 - Paul addresses unrepentant fornicating believers whom he calls beloved and sealed by the Spirit in 1:22.
Rom 6:12 - he commands them to not let sin reign in your body which obv implies it is possible.
Rom 7:14-25 - Paul speaks in the present tense that he is carnal and makes a habit of sinning. he is sold under sin meeaning under his desire to do it. This is def post conversion Paul (again present tense), but in v.6-13 I believe around there he speaks in the past tense when he was unsaved and under the law. So that shift proves he is speaking presently.
John 15:2 (branch in Christ producing minimal fruit)
Matt 13:5-8 - same as Luke 8, minimal fruit
2 Pet 1:9 - can forget u were cleansed of ur sin
James 2:14-17 - James is writing to believers about the possibility of possessing a dead faith, which he warns THEM about in v.8-20. So the dead faith thing backfires on these people, just gotta define it properly it doesn't mean non genuine faith.
@@DitmarHoxhathat was all super helpful! Thank you!!!
Romans 3 speaks to those "under the law", which is those condemned by the law, all those that have sinned, only those of faith are justified as whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Is obedience to Jesus works?
@@2Chronicles714_ well if you watched the video I should’ve definitively answered that at least indirectly as yes, obedience to the commandments of God are works of the law (especially if you understand obedience to Christ to encompass moral commandments, which is true). The word “obey” can be used differently like in rom 10:16-17 as well, but I think you’re alluding to keeping his commandments. I also just made a similar video very recently on this topic (ik it’s a little long but might be worth 1.5x watching).
@DitmarHoxha
So are we to keep the 10 commandments or not necessary?
@ we should keep them (Titus 3:8) because they’re still good deeds. Good is good, and it helps others, earns rewards, and avoids judgement on this earth but not hell. Even atheists try to keep most of these commands (and Muslims). They’re inherently good.
I’m just saying you aren’t required to keep them for salvation, you can go to heaven even while breaking the commandments and doing no good works (Matt 5:19, rom 4:5).
@DitmarHoxha
While following the 10 commandments without repentance and faith resulting in grace won't save you,true believers absolutely must follow the 10 commandments.
God has written His laws in our hearts.
2 Corinthians 3:3
You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
Hebrews 10:16
This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”
Jesus condensed the 10 commandments into 2.
Mark 12:30-31
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Read carefully what Jesus says to the scribe:
Mark 12:32-34
And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34And WHEN JESUS SAW THAT HE ANSWERED DISCREETLY, HE SAID UNTO HIM, THOU ART NOT FAR FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
Jesus and Paul reaffirm following the 10 commandments.
Romans 13:9-11
For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
11And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
Ephesians 6:2.
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise,)
@@DitmarHoxha
The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience.
Jesus’ repeated warnings to the religious hypocrites of His day as proof that simply agreeing to spiritual facts does not save a person. There must be a heart change. Jesus emphasized the high cost of discipleship: “Whoever does not carry their cross and follow me cannot be my disciple”
(Luke 14:27), and “Those of you who do not give up everything you have cannot be my disciples”
(verse 33). In the same passage, Jesus speaks of counting the cost;
elsewhere, He stresses total commitment: “No one who puts a hand to the plow and looks back is fit for service in the kingdom of God” (Luke 9:62).
In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus says that eternal life is a narrow path found by “only a few” (Matthew 7:14); in contrast, some seek to broaden the path so that anyone who has a profession of faith can enter. Jesus says that “every good tree bears good fruit” (verse 17); in contrast, some say that a tree can still be good and bear nothing but bad fruit. Jesus says
that many who say “Lord, Lord” will not enter the kingdom (verses 21-23); in contrast, some teach that saying “Lord, Lord” is good enough.
Paul and James
taught that a true profession of faith will be backed up by evidence of faith. If a person is truly following the Lord, then they will obey the Lord’s instructions. A person who is living in willful, unrepentant sin has obviously not chosen to follow Christ, because Christ calls us out of sin and into righteousness. Indeed, the Bible clearly teaches that faith in Christ will result in a changed life
2 Corinthians 5:15,17
Galatians 5:22-24
James 2:14-26
It sounds like you are affirming works unto Salvation, especially when you break down the moral laws. The Bible says even the devils believe in God and they tremble, so believing is not sufficient enough for salvation.
Not sure what you mean by "affirming works UNTO salvation" in your first sentence.
I believe salvation is by faith alone apart from any moral commandment keeping, and cannot be lost. Of course we should do good works because it glorifies God (Matt 5), profits others (Titus 3:8), and is just inherently morally good. You don’t need to be religious to desire to do good. It’s an entirely seperate logical point to go from “Jesus tells us to do the moral law” to “the only way to go to heaven is that we must keep the moral law.” We see quite the opposite in the scriptures, we all break God’s law every day so in what possible way could that be the means by which we enter heaven?
The demons argument is not good, but you can quickly jump to my book which I linked in the description and ctrl f for "devils believe" or "James 2:18-19".
Those points in page 328 are enough, but I will also make another video further elaborating on v.18-19. It isn't trying to say faith without works is demonic faith or whatever, The point is intended to convey that demons also believe things but they don’t love others, which is what we ought to do. It isn’t calling faith in Christ demonic faith, that is taking the analogy too far as James is not trying degrade ‘faith’ itself but comment on its profitability. “Dead” (nekros) isn’t meant to cheapen or insult the faith, or mean it isn't genuine real faith. Again, explaining all of James 2 is a bit outside of the scope of this YT comment.
Be honest, did you watch the video because you didn't really critique any of the thorough points made, you just made an assertion that believing is not enough, which was the whole topic of the video. I get it, it is YT comments, but I'm curious how you'd respond.
If the law described in Romans is moral in nature (13:8-10, 2:20-25), and 3:28/4:5, and tons of other verses in the book state we are not justified by works of the law,, then obviously isn't the conclusion that faith alone, without any good behavior is the only requirement to go to heaven (4:5)?
The book even goes one step further saying if it is of works, it is no longer by grace (Rom 11:6), so you cannot mix works into your salvation at all. Romans 4:5 is also excellent.
So I'm curious, is your claim that the law here is merely ceremonial, and if so, how do you debunk the thorough points I made in the video proving it is not?
James obviously knows that demons cannot be saved. A claim of belief minus repentance is a dead faith. Repentance and belief go hand in hand. You can't repent without believing and you can't believe without repenting.
That's the point of James 2 that you are saved by faith,but it is a faith that works.
It's not a static intellectual faith.
It's a faith that motivates you. You start to do thing you'd never do before.
Like John the Baptist said earlier as well as Paul show evidence of your repentance by your works.
We are saved by Faith and not works however we are not saved IF our Faith does not work.
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"A faith that works"....
Works at what?
Works according to Paul are works of the law and are sins, no man is justified by sin. My latest video 'Ephesians 2:9. Not of works? #32 Myths in so-called Christianity'.
@@simonskinner1450 kindof addressing both ur comments. deeds of the good moral law (as it’s defined in romans) are sin? It says deeds OF the law, not specifying that they are deeds contrary to the law. So if you do deeds or works aligning with God’s moral law, that is sin?
It also seems rather strange to read romans 3:20 and 4;5 that way, because nobody thought you were justified by sin. Paul would have no need to counter or clarify such a claim. Sin is the breaking of God’s law so nobody thought sin would be the mechanism by which you would go to heaven and be justified. Romans 3:20 reads incoherently like that. In fact, romans 4:5 says Christ justifies the ungodly, which means he does justify sinners but not because of their sin but their faith in Christ.
Why don’t you apply this same principle to James 2, where it discusses the same law in v.8-12 as in romans 2:20-25 and 13:8-10, then talks about doing works. Why aren’t works sin there? Seems rather inconsistent and selective.
Gal 3:12 also makes it clear the law itself (not even using the term works) is contrasted against faith, so not sure what you do with that.
@DitmarHoxha A couple of points in your reply; that you have assumed from somewhere not Romans that works are signing with morality, those works would justify, but Romans 3:20 is the imputation of sin by the experiential knowledge of sin; and this is Paul's gospel of salvation where he defines sin, grace and faith, so why would you assume knowledge of sin unless you read Romans.
@DitmarHoxha James specifies good works so aligns perfectly with Paul, as good works are to do with faith not the law, not breaking the law is not by works, breaking the law requires works such as murder.
@@simonskinner1450 James doesn't say "good works" he just says "works", at least in the KJV. The same works of the law as in Romans. In fact, ironically, James also talks about sin as transgressing the law like in Romans 3, so why aren't "works" in James 2 also sin? Obviously works should just be understood as good deeds unless explicitly qualified as bad works. Doing the mosaic law (deeds) is good, while breaking it is bad works. You can't say deeds of the law are bad deeds in Romans because it does not call them bad or evil works, they are just works of the law.
The same works of the law Paul says we are not justified by (Rom 3:28) are the same works James tells us we ought to do to have a profitable faith (James 2:8-17). They both discuss the same law, they both talk about "works" without explicitly stating 'good works", as it is implied that deeds done in accordance with the good moral law are good.
I think your view is just inconsistent and poor in terms of heremeneutics.
@DitmarHoxha Another point you make my friend is that nobody thought by committing sin was a mechanism to go to heaven, well the Scribes and Pharisees clearly did just that, they were called out by the prophets and Jesus as hypocrites, giving the law but not keeping it. They like Saul were lost sheep that believed wrongly their sins were atoned for by animal sacrifices.
Romans 3 is speaking to those "under the law" as sinners, not referring to the law itself, but those that transgress the law.