Very nice showing 4 different things. I really enjoyed it. I hope to see more videos in the future like this one showing a few different systems head to head.
Awesome job. I've done this same experiment many many times. It's all about the dice and not being a dumbass. 1 Bet means you have less money out there, but you'll burn way more often because you only have 1 target. 6 Bets means you have way more exposure, but you're about 80% to get a hit. When I've done this, I've run the experiment with each player like you did, but with the goal being to get ONE HIT and turn off. I think that's a more fair experiment than each player trying to get their money back. One player get's that one hit way more often, but when the 7 comes right away, he burns up $160. The other ones work harder, but don't get beat up as bad. Anyway, STOKED to see you putting videos out again. You're one of my all time favorites and a big reason why I started up my channel.
Great experiment! I just love to see these type of videos with the comparisons. Have a great Christmas everyone and thank you I enjoyed both your contents👍👍
have had this discussion with dge mult.occassions playing ultra strict dge 25 table -------- 6/8 vs 5689 he's maintained unless 5k br its 68 only.....................ive run it myself and would tend to agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,, played to perfection on ''zac 293'' on you tube......check him out.......... now 10/15 table 5689 ok with adeq br 3k range be surprised what big run 7's closely packed w/o 6and 8's can do.............disaster,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,excellent discussion .....................been running multiple trials my base strat along with usdge at same time------------- i am ddp1
Your right in practice playing this I got down $400 on cold table to probably 2 hours to get it back but I did. Come outs been killing me. Got about 3 hours in a way to fix it so far so good. Hope to get a video out soon on it
Nice video. If you plastered the six instead of the eight on that first roll they all would have lost. Point-7's are just killer for any place betters. Keep up the good work...happy holidays.
Hey 👏🏻, I’m so glad you’re back and putting out videos again. Do you know Waylon? He’s another great Tweaker of Craps Strategies! I think you should compare notes because you are both great at coming up with good and unique Strategies. I don’t know how you come up with this stuff but I appreciate it! Thanks!
I love your videos…keep them coming! I’ve been playing around using just the field with a controlled Martingale. With a bankroll of 12 units, I’ve been consistently doubling up. Have you ever tried this?
I think 2 numbers is better because you avoid the risk of the seven wiping the table out. The spread Bet only works out if you get a Long Roller. Otherwise, for a Random or Choppy Roller it doesn’t work. Play accordingly!
Very good comparison, well done. My take away is, flat betting will not overcome the slow drain. Big wins come from pressing, more consistent chance at profit from regressing or win & down. Even your "I Can't Believe this Wins" cannot stand up to persistent short rolls
Why not add a DON''T PASS player doing the DC on 2 number VS your place players. I wouldn't mind seeing a result of how the dark side would win more or less.
Enjoyed the comparison video, but feel that it is skewed. The starting bankrolls and amount of money at risk should be the same for each different strategy. The bet the 8 only. should start with $1600 and place $162 on the 8. The bet the 6 & 8 player should start with $1600 and place $78 on the 6 and $78 on the 8. The Inside numbers player should start with $1600 and place $40 each on the 5 and 9 and $42 each on the 6 and 8. The across the board player should start with $1600 and $25 each on the 4, 5, 9, and 10 and $30 each on the 6 and 8. Starting with identical bankrolls $1600 and risking similar amounts $162, $156, $164, and $160 for each roller would be a more accurate comparison of betting strategies.
With all those 8 hits , the 8 guy would've made a killing $189 each hit . As it was, each hit was 10 percent added to his bankroll ! Goal reached early .
Crappy, I watched your video of martingaling the pass and come bet up to four bets or something. The hard part was at the end when you have all your come bets up, you are completely naked if you didn't 7 out. I tried the reverse of that. Started $200 on the DP, then $150 on the DC, then $100 on the DC and finally $50 on the DC. If a 7 comes early, if the first is set, you still make money. If you lose the DP and still set the other 3 DC's, then 7 out, you still make money. I was experimenting with just repeating the 4 bet sequence. I only doubled if I lost 3/4 of the bets. $400 / $300 / $200 / $100 (obviously this could scale). I've run this several times and had positive success. What do you think?
Here's your info you asked for, Crappy! Same 2,000 tosses used: all bets for different ways of betting totaled from $374-$376 per bet. 8 bet won $22.37 average per roll. 6 & 8 bet won $23.10 average per roll. inside bet won $20.97 average per roll. Across bet won $18.12 average per roll. Horn bet won $28.63 average per roll. Field bet won $26.63 average per roll. Best set for each different way of betting was use for each different bet...the set that won most money on that way of betting. Results are for the top winning set for each way of betting. This was done through transposing each toss into what each toss would have been for all 376 ways to set the dice. Then a ton of computer spreadsheet calculations were use to get these results.
Crappy, have you thought about just leaving all the bets up when doing a comparison roll, and just take each players bet out of their bank rather than taking the bets all down, then having to completely reset after a 7. Would save a ton of time...
Like your channel Crappy-- Fair assessment needs to be 2-3 rolls and stop play. See who wins then. Your across player is doomed to lose the most on a 'typical' table the way you set up this experiment due to 63% 7-outs by point +6, then the inside guy, again due to larger exposure. Opposite likely true for the 2-3 rolls--your across player most likely to win, then inside player. For 'light side' only players, a fair comparison is the 2-3 shots. That said, the table is biased towards 'dark side' first point +6---where 2/3 of shooters will 7-out by then. Next series may want to include a DP or Lay that covers the $$ on the place bets. That would look Very different, and then question is when to start "light side" play--before Point +6, or after, knowing 12 of 18 shooters, are gonna 7-out by point +6? Personally, I wait for P+7 to go light, because you're betting 'against' the table and the math before then. Anyone wanting to 'win big' on a "Long Roll" needs just that--a long roll. Getting a PSO or PPSO on Point +1 or point +2 is beyond disappointing, but it's also predictable by the math. You wanna bet on the 'long roll' wait out the short "sucker rolls". Most of us were taught "light side" play to start. Many players never venture beyond that point--there's a whole different perspective to 'dark side' play...but it's 1/2 of the game! "Light side" players are just that, and "Dark side" players are just that. Believe a smart "Craps player" sees and uses Both "Dark side" and "Light side" play because that's how the game flows--it's just like surfing-not every wave is "your" wave--and you gotta 'feel' which is yours to ride or to take, and like surfing, there's various rhythms to the game. Ignore the rhythms and you "wipe out"! Not playing both "light side" and "dark side" is like standing by at a craps table and ignoring that the last 3 numbers were either 6 or 8 and there's a possibility that they may be on a "run". Most folks have Never Hopped a number and have Zero clue. But when they see a guy "Hop" the 6 and 8 for $65 each (such as $25 4-2, $25 5-1easy 6, $15 Hard 6) then see the dealer pass them $375 for the 6 or 8 win-on the easy, or $450 win for the hard 6 or 8--they usually are 'awe struck', but have no clue what and why and how it works. Key with this and ALL craps play is reading the table, and watch and "feel" what's happening. Depending on the "waves", Just this strategy--the "sister numbers" come in waves--more so some times, less so others--When they run, just this strategy can bring in $2K--$3K/hour, net. Mention these strategies because just like the universe, just like sub atomic structures, just like Craps, there's a "language" for all this--the language is math. Follow the math and do sincere homework to learn and understand Every bet on the table, and win. Or ignore the math, ignore the many different bets on a craps table and lose and not know why--except for some "lucky" long rolls here and there...😎👍👍 Please keep your channel running Crappy so people learn, understand, enjoy, and win more!
Very nice showing 4 different things. I really enjoyed it.
I hope to see more videos in the future like this one showing a few different systems head to head.
This experiment makes me want to be the casino.
Awesome job. I've done this same experiment many many times. It's all about the dice and not being a dumbass.
1 Bet means you have less money out there, but you'll burn way more often because you only have 1 target. 6 Bets means you have way more exposure, but you're about 80% to get a hit.
When I've done this, I've run the experiment with each player like you did, but with the goal being to get ONE HIT and turn off. I think that's a more fair experiment than each player trying to get their money back.
One player get's that one hit way more often, but when the 7 comes right away, he burns up $160. The other ones work harder, but don't get beat up as bad.
Anyway, STOKED to see you putting videos out again. You're one of my all time favorites and a big reason why I started up my channel.
Great experiment! I just love to see these type of videos with the comparisons. Have a great Christmas everyone and thank you I enjoyed both your contents👍👍
have had this discussion with dge mult.occassions playing ultra strict dge 25 table -------- 6/8 vs 5689 he's maintained unless 5k br its 68 only.....................ive run it myself and would tend to agree,,,,,,,,,,,,,, played to perfection on ''zac 293'' on you tube......check him out.......... now 10/15 table 5689 ok with adeq br 3k range be surprised what big run 7's closely packed w/o 6and 8's can do.............disaster,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,excellent discussion .....................been running multiple trials my base strat along with usdge at same time------------- i am ddp1
Your right in practice playing this I got down $400 on cold table to probably 2 hours to get it back but I did. Come outs been killing me. Got about 3 hours in a way to fix it so far so good. Hope to get a video out soon on it
Nice video. If you plastered the six instead of the eight on that first roll they all would have lost. Point-7's are just killer for any place betters. Keep up the good work...happy holidays.
Hey 👏🏻,
I’m so glad you’re back and putting out videos again.
Do you know Waylon? He’s another great Tweaker of Craps Strategies! I think you should compare notes because you are both great at coming up with good and unique Strategies. I don’t know how you come up with this stuff but I appreciate it! Thanks!
I love your videos…keep them coming! I’ve been playing around using just the field with a controlled Martingale. With a bankroll of 12 units, I’ve been consistently doubling up. Have you ever tried this?
Thanks Crappy! Hope you guys have a Merry Christmas!
Curious if you throw your bad table strategy in too the the 4 x 25 bet one
Wiley called the seven he knew 😅
I think 2 numbers is better because you avoid the risk of the seven wiping the table out.
The spread Bet only works out if you get a Long Roller.
Otherwise, for a Random or Choppy Roller it doesn’t work.
Play accordingly!
The experiment is how the casino always wins, all the time
Very good comparison, well done.
My take away is, flat betting will not overcome the slow drain.
Big wins come from pressing, more consistent chance at profit from regressing or win & down.
Even your "I Can't Believe this Wins" cannot stand up to persistent short rolls
Why not add a DON''T PASS player doing the DC on 2 number VS your place players. I wouldn't mind seeing a result of how the dark side would win more or less.
30 dollar six 30 dollar eight first hit drop a dollar 96 across. Then play how you like... press press pull is my go too.
I would put winnings in front of each tray instead of racking.
Enjoyed the comparison video, but feel that it is skewed. The starting bankrolls and amount of money at risk should be the same for each different strategy. The bet the 8 only. should start with $1600 and place $162 on the 8. The bet the 6 & 8 player should start with $1600 and place $78 on the 6 and $78 on the 8. The Inside numbers player should start with $1600 and place $40 each on the 5 and 9 and $42 each on the 6 and 8. The across the board player should start with $1600 and $25 each on the 4, 5, 9, and 10 and $30 each on the 6 and 8.
Starting with identical bankrolls $1600 and risking similar amounts $162, $156, $164, and $160 for each roller would be a more accurate comparison of betting strategies.
With all those 8 hits , the 8 guy would've made a killing $189 each hit . As it was, each hit was 10 percent added to his bankroll ! Goal reached early .
How much do you suppose to tip while playing at a craps table?
Occasionally threw out playing time I place $1 bets for the dealers usually what I am betting at the time
Crappy, I watched your video of martingaling the pass and come bet up to four bets or something. The hard part was at the end when you have all your come bets up, you are completely naked if you didn't 7 out. I tried the reverse of that. Started $200 on the DP, then $150 on the DC, then $100 on the DC and finally $50 on the DC. If a 7 comes early, if the first is set, you still make money. If you lose the DP and still set the other 3 DC's, then 7 out, you still make money. I was experimenting with just repeating the 4 bet sequence. I only doubled if I lost 3/4 of the bets. $400 / $300 / $200 / $100 (obviously this could scale). I've run this several times and had positive success.
What do you think?
Here's your info you asked for, Crappy!
Same 2,000 tosses used: all bets for different ways of betting totaled from $374-$376 per bet.
8 bet won $22.37 average per roll.
6 & 8 bet won $23.10 average per roll.
inside bet won $20.97 average per roll.
Across bet won $18.12 average per roll.
Horn bet won $28.63 average per roll.
Field bet won $26.63 average per roll.
Best set for each different way of betting was use for each different bet...the set that won most money on that way of betting. Results are for the top winning set for each way of betting. This was done through transposing each toss into what each toss would have been for all 376 ways to set the dice. Then a ton of computer spreadsheet calculations were use to get these results.
all that work for nothing
you edited, but you make no sense at all
That is the 2 numbers i bet on bubble craps 6 8
Crappy, have you thought about just leaving all the bets up when doing a comparison roll, and just take each players bet out of their bank rather than taking the bets all down, then having to completely reset after a 7. Would save a ton of time...
Like your channel Crappy--
Fair assessment needs to be 2-3 rolls and stop play. See who wins then. Your across player is doomed to lose the most on a 'typical' table the way you set up this experiment due to 63% 7-outs by point +6, then the inside guy, again due to larger exposure. Opposite likely true for the 2-3 rolls--your across player most likely to win, then inside player.
For 'light side' only players, a fair comparison is the 2-3 shots. That said, the table is biased towards 'dark side' first point +6---where 2/3 of shooters will 7-out by then. Next series may want to include a DP or Lay that covers the $$ on the place bets. That would look Very different, and then question is when to start "light side" play--before Point +6, or after, knowing 12 of 18 shooters, are gonna 7-out by point +6? Personally, I wait for P+7 to go light, because you're betting 'against' the table and the math before then.
Anyone wanting to 'win big' on a "Long Roll" needs just that--a long roll. Getting a PSO or PPSO on Point +1 or point +2 is beyond disappointing, but it's also predictable by the math. You wanna bet on the 'long roll' wait out the short "sucker rolls".
Most of us were taught "light side" play to start. Many players never venture beyond that point--there's a whole different perspective to 'dark side' play...but it's 1/2 of the game! "Light side" players are just that, and "Dark side" players are just that. Believe a smart "Craps player" sees and uses Both "Dark side" and "Light side" play because that's how the game flows--it's just like surfing-not every wave is "your" wave--and you gotta 'feel' which is yours to ride or to take, and like surfing, there's various rhythms to the game. Ignore the rhythms and you "wipe out"!
Not playing both "light side" and "dark side" is like standing by at a craps table and ignoring that the last 3 numbers were either 6 or 8 and there's a possibility that they may be on a "run". Most folks have Never Hopped a number and have Zero clue. But when they see a guy "Hop" the 6 and 8 for $65 each (such as $25 4-2, $25 5-1easy 6, $15 Hard 6) then see the dealer pass them $375 for the 6 or 8 win-on the easy, or $450 win for the hard 6 or 8--they usually are 'awe struck', but have no clue what and why and how it works. Key with this and ALL craps play is reading the table, and watch and "feel" what's happening. Depending on the "waves", Just this strategy--the "sister numbers" come in waves--more so some times, less so others--When they run, just this strategy can bring in $2K--$3K/hour, net.
Mention these strategies because just like the universe, just like sub atomic structures, just like Craps, there's a "language" for all this--the language is math. Follow the math and do sincere homework to learn and understand Every bet on the table, and win. Or ignore the math, ignore the many different bets on a craps table and lose and not know why--except for some "lucky" long rolls here and there...😎👍👍
Please keep your channel running Crappy so people learn, understand, enjoy, and win more!