That Language Simp guy is insufferable. I couldn’t watch even a minute of the original video. It triggers me so bad that he clearly hasn’t done any research, and I doubt he could even learn Esperanto if he tried. Thank you for this video, from one Esperantist to another. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
I have met several Asian Esperanto speakers who say quite seriously that they tried Esperanto because they hadn't been able to learn a European language. (And quite a few more who hadn't been able to learn a European language -- until after they learned Esperanto.) And the difference in difficulty for "Europeans" and "non-Europeans" seems to diminish greatly, as one gets past the beginner stages (and non-Europeans seem to avoid a lot of mistakes that Europeans fall into because it things seem superficially familiar).
@@Evildea Do they say years in Eperanto using the format "one thousand, eight-hundred and eighty-seven"? He might've been making a aubtle sting at that.
1:37 Well that was a joke lol People used to ask him a lot to make a video about Esperanto and why he disliked it. Generally the safest thing you can assume watching Language Simp is that everything is a joke, especially when his face expression shows not even a single shred of any kind of emotion. lol
0:45 As someone who does not yet speak Esperanto, i think it really has a unique charm to it. Part of it sounds Italianish, Scandinavianish and Polish-like. What's interesting is that when i look at the texts, it really resembles Latin, but sounds very different from Latin. Personally i think that's got to do with Latin being a dead language and thus the Latins i usually hear are spoken powerfully and opaquely instead of casually like how a normal living language would. Honestly if you speak it to me without telling me that it's Esperanto, i'd have guessed Italian, Catalan or even Maltese.
@@Evildea I've heard quite a bit of Catalan, and it sounds nothing like it, in my opinion. Catalan sounds very flan-like to me, it has a closer sound to French. Esperanto sounds a lot more solid, less melty.
It's very simple: if you don't like Esperanto or don't find it useful, then don't use it. Case closed. I've been using Esperanto in almost every way that it's possible to use it since I was a teenager in the 1970s and it changed my life in the most positive way. I don't need to justify that to anybody, and at the same time I'm not interested in trying to "convert" people. Arguing about Esperanto makes as much sense to me as arguing about stamp collecting.
Even though most roots come from Latin and other European languages, it is important to note that Esperanto is still much easier to learn for Chinese people than English. And there are similarities with Chinese, for example the words for numbers which work exactly like in Chinese. Furthermore there are lots of compound words, very similar to Chinese.
_Small_ numbers work very similar as they do in Chinese (and many other languages, like Turkish or Mapudungún afaik). But as soon as you reach the 10,000s, Chinese does its own thing, grouping by 4 0s instead of 3. That's where Chinese numbers lost me lol.
Yeah, that's really hard to get used to. It's also really hard for wife when she's using English numbers because once they go above that she needs to math that shit in her head lol.
@@Evildea I can imagine X_X. You probably know this, I think Japanese groups in the same way, by 4 0s, right? Do you know if it's common to most of East Asia? I wouldn't be surprised if Korean and Vietnamese and a bunch more languages did the same thing.
Literally every language has compounds. That says nothing about the words. There is zero similarity in having them. Most Esperanto users are native English speakers therefore the way things are said, the culture of the speaking community, is mostly aligned with English. This is true of any conlang that can be said to be a sort of actual language (has speaking community) and isn't just a loose description of a wouldbe language. Especially considering they're mostly monolingual conlang enthusiasts and don't even notice.
Frankly speaking, I still don't get why people keep insisting that a full-blown language should be necessarily be attached to a certain terrirory or state? For example, there were plenty of nomadic tribes and peoples throughout the human history, but their languages kept functioning. Plus the lack of any kind of official status does not change the fact, that Esperanto or any other language like this can be functional and worthy anyway. Furthermore, for the note for these "linguists" amongst Esperanto haters, any standard language can also be considered a conlang. Surprise surprise! :D If there are certain rules, which word sounds, for example, officially or what is considered a vernacular\common language, therefore it is already an artificiality, which is often ignored by these haters, accusing Esperanto of artificiality and lack of "being developed naturally". They tend to expose artificiality as a downside, whereas Esperanto or any other conlang bares no harm, being like that. I genuienely don't get this position. Technically, Esperanto is an international language, because it is obviously used basicllally as a bridge language by people, communicating internationally. It is not a necessary condition to be globally spread, though Esperanto is rather globally disperced, but I don't see a problem in it either. Speaking of eurocentrism, to be precise, Esperanto was initially created rather for an educated European of 19 century, but over the time it spread beyond Europe. And as far it still exists in other continent, hence people never seen this as a problem. Plus other European (rather Indo-European) languages are spoken in other continents as well, so why Esperanto should be rejected in this regard? Esperanto is not perfect, but nothing is perfect in this world. Even if there was a truly perfect international language to be constructed, one would find anything in this to nitpick. Zamenhof apparently, creating Esperanto, was trying to pick up all upsides of each language, he ever been familiar with. And I think for that time he completed this challenge really good. His another statement is also ridiculous, when he's saying that for Russian speakers Esperanto can be hard to pronounce. As a Russian speaker, I can safely say it was super easy for me to learn Esperanto if it came to its grammar, pronunciation and stuff. Syntax sometimes sounds extremely Russian like in words like "finfine" what is the calque of "в конце концов" ("v kontse kontsov"). Or letter "c" what is equal to Russian letter and sound "ц". These two are the first examples, coming up to my mind right away, but Esperanto has much more and more of them. In a nutshell, I have learned Esperanto with ease and even very playfully in many ways thanks to its syntactical and phonetical similarity to my mother tongue. American alphabet? Is he serious? :D I thought, this alphabet was latin, but ok, let it be :D Any hobby can poison the minds of youth irrespective of if it is linguistic or not. Following this principle, youngsters should not be fond of anything, otherwise they can waste their precious time, which instead could be spent on doing nothing :D Actually, youth (and not only) is the age, when it is natural to have hobbies and finding same occupation fellows. Hobbies can also grow into something more. For example, I started being fond of English just for fun, I never thought of its practical use or money, I could earn, using it. I just learned and that's all. Over the time I became a translator by one of my diplomas and regularly use English at work as well as with my friends. Nobody knows the future, especially, what can your hobby bring you to. If Esperanto does the same, so what's harmful? Even if one doesn't make money with it, Esperanto can give good moments and memories, which are also essentially precious, because I am convinced that nothing in this life is about earnings and survival. Speaking of Esperanto's usefulness, I can add that French and Spanish are a bit easier to learn for me after Esperanto. And was even helpful to understand English better, which I had already been familiar with. In conclusion, I don't get if he is serious in this video or was he deliberately making it that provocative. I am still inclined to suppose that it was a provocation, directed on Esperanto community for the sake of trolling it. Ok, thanks, it was really laughable :D And thus he also advertasied Esperanto, because I am sure that after having watched it, some people got interested in it :D + he accuses Esperanto of eurocentrism, but recommends in the end to learn American. Isn't it another kind of centrism? And is it another provocation? I wonder :D
Wow! What a long comment. Yes, Esperanto seems to be the butt of many jokes. I also wonder about those who seriously believe its not a language then what their take on Hebrew must be as it is a revived / reconstructed language that also had large parts of it vocab made up by one single individual.
@@Evildea Hehe, yes, I wasn't able to hold my inspiration, though I don't think I had to :D I agree actually, and I am sure there are many examples like this to be provided. In my opinion, haters are basically driven by their emotions. Yes, their point can be very structured at first glance, but quite illogical if one wants to dive deeper. Though the majority of people tend to brush this off without any desire to analize such flow of hate. As for reconstruction, I find it great, and I think many other languages might be revived, if needed. And it's a miracle, that Hebrew was revived and now it llives and functions so naturally, that many people wouldn't even suspec that it was once reconstructed. I wonder what these haters would respond to this examlpe :D
Not entirely, a lot of us aren't event interested in conlangs so much, not everyone is a linguistics fan even, for Example native English spekers sometimes are esperantists because they just wanted to tick the "learn a language" on their list.
@Evildea i seriously don't actually know if it's true or not. I personally don't believe utility is a justification to learn a language. If it was necessary then why would I try, I already know English.
Almost forgot! there was a sci-fi series in which there are people living and working in the astroid belt who are from many different parts of Earth and they speak a mixture of languages, including Esperanto. (I was thrilled to understand them speaking)
A friend of mine who did graduate research in china told me in the early days of the PRC (mainland china) there had been some consideration of making Esperanto the national language of China rather than Mandarin. (Chinese had dozens of mutually unintelligible dialects) It failed but he said documents for that time were written in both and he found it easier to read the Esperanto (that he’d never studied) than the Chinese (that he had a graduate degree in)
I’ve also read about that where there was a push for a little while to make Esperanto the national language. Regarding using Esperanto instead of Chinese to understand high level discussions like that I could totally understand haha.
@@tanizaki It was more of an active debate topic than anything among the intellectuals at the time that stirred up enough interest for people to actively take sides on the idea. These were the people who would later play important roles in the communist movement and/or standardise the Chinese language. You can read some of the history here: theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gotelind-muller-and-gregor-benton-esperanto-and-chinese-anarchism-in-the-1920s-and-1930s In China itself, Zhou Zuoren returned in the magazine Dongfang zazhi to the discussion about Esperanto and the reform of Chinese that had occupied intellectuals in the 1910s. Like Qian Xuantong, Zhou and Lu Xun had been pupils of Zhang Binglin. At Beijing University, Zhou had followed the Esperanto discussion in Xin qingnian. As a translator of foreign literature and a writer, he had an interest in the controversy about national languages and the pro and cons of the vernacular. He was close to Erošenko and a patron of the Esperanto school. Nevertheless, he remained lukewarm about Esperanto. He said in Dongfang zazhi that the time had come to sum up the language debate. The extreme demand, to abolish Chinese and replace it with Esperanto, was not just illusory but undesirable. Basically, it would be like if the heads of the elite today were having an internal debate about the merits of this language replacing their own. Doesn't mean it had any chance of happening but it was being discussed.
@ So what if it was “being discussed”? Whether or not Earth is flat is “being discussed”. The comment to which I replied implied that there was a snowball’s chance in hell that the PRC would adopt Esperanto as the official language. I corrected that laughable and demonstrably false implication, which your initial reply did nothing to dispel.
@@tanizaki The original comment said “There had been some consideration”. I just showed that there was some consideration, i.e debates on the topic that stretched over a nearly 10 year period, that’s not false. The people who engaged in these debates were people like the president of Beijing University and later education minister. So these weren’t nobodies.
13:30 Look at it from another perspective. France - big empire. English - huge empire. Germany - huge industrial base. Russian - big empire. Spain - still a bit of empire left. Italian - freshly unified, with no international standing (outside of the Opera house). Italian simply was the most neutral language Europe in 1887 that people could still know something about (Swiss-Romance was even more neutral, but today's Swiss government has problems finding enough Romance speakers to fill prescribed positions).
13:17 Doesn't Tuscan have a comparatively small vowel base? Like, you wouldn't have been able to get an audio track of the language, so pointing to the simpler one of the lot and saying "do it like that" would have to be the easiest way right?
Was I the only one that got that the joke about 1887 was about the Esperanto number system and how weird it would sound if you translate that literally back into English? I mean, you actually say it in your intro for the non-Esperantists. "Esperanto was created in one thousand, eight hundred, eighty, seven." We don't shorthand years like in English. I thought it was hilarious. Great vid, Language Simp!
I totally agree. I was just trying to be funny since he kept jokingly referring to English as American. Who knows, maybe the true future language will be Pennsylvania Dutch!
I do like how you approached this very respectfully but your point of saying that at that point French was the international language isn’t a great point. Though it was very widely spoken Asia still exists and they weren’t speaking all that much French, I do think it would be pretty difficult to mix every language but there could’ve been a lot more influence from Indian languages considering how much of the population lives in India as well as more influence from South Asia, also to be a bit nitpicky the most common sentence structure worldwide is subject object verb so I personally think that it should also be the case in Esperanto. Edit: sorry about that last comment, I did some quick research and discovered Esperanto has a pretty good way of marking things
Hey no problem! My point was simply that at the time India and most of East Asia weren’t considered anything beyond colonies. So Esperanto was a product of its time and was based on the super powers of the time. Not saying that’s a good thing just that was the logic. There were other languages that spawned at the same time that took a more holistic approach but for various reasons they died including seeming too foreign to the sensibilities of Europeans. Volapuk was one of these languages that died and it’s last few speakers even tried to revive it by reforming it to make it more European.
Esperanto was originally called la universala lingvo. For years starting with 2, in my experience most Americans say "two thousand twenty four," while some say "twenty twenty four." Both sound normal to me. For years starting with 1, everyone says "Nineteen..." I expect that he said the year that way as a joke. Possibly about the way it's said in Esperanto, as someone said.
Can I ask you, when you study a language, do you memorize common expressions or sentence structures? You know, like all these juicy expressions like "to the best of my knowledge", "judging by the fact that", "despite the fact that" or something similar, just small everyday things that are infinitely useful. Do you use Anki cards for that? If yes, then how?
Only as part of full sentence structures. I have a video on my channel called “The Grind” that breaks down my process. I’d link it here but on my phone atm.
@@Evildea I am a bit confused though, if I understand it correctly, you listen to a sentence and then if you instantly recognize it, you click Good. But does it help you to memorize all these structures and stuff? Like I have almost no issues understanding the language I am learning, but I need to memorize in a sense all these structures and expressions to be more fluent when speaking. Though maybe I should just try doing it.
In the grind video, I show I build multiple sentences that use a similar template with only a down or verb swapped out so once I listen to them over and over I start to understand subconsciously the underlying pattern that exists behind all these sentences as I’ve been constantly exposing my brain to the same pattern over and over.
@@Evildea Oh, right. I got it now. It sounds great, thank you so much for explaining it! I am new to Anki, so I was trying to do it using cards with blanks instead of words, but it quickly became memorization of "which particular word was used here" and kind of useless, so I was pretty lost. It is incredible help!
Agreed Esperanto is just beautiful. One famous analogy is that people say; it's only you and another person speaking it. Honestly my boyfriend and I love this about it! In many places it is our secret language! I hope one day many people be abole to speak it. But even if they don't, I'm happy that I know this language. P.s: of course esperanto can benefit you to learn a language like German or French but let's just put usefulness aside and enjoy this simple language. And p.p.s: It is not a race to learn Esperanto! So it doesn't matter if someone because of their background and native language can learn it easier than a Chinese person. It's important that even that person who's having a "harder" time is learning it in 6 months! The language is easy to learn for everyone. If a day comes that we'll have an easier language that also is as vast as esperanto, I'm definitely going to learn it! It's not my native language and you can criticize it all you want. Just know that learning the language is way easier
I never can figure out what is education in Language Simp video and what is his humor. 😂 I think starting my kids on Esperanto is the reason we are a multilingual household (along with American Sign Language and Japanese). I think that Esperanto "cult" is that it is so easy.
Do you make them worship Zamenhof? You’re not a committed esperantist if you don’t have a little in-house temple where they can worship at and leave the hearts of unsuspecting Ido speakers.
As a russian I confirm that Esperanto is an easy mode. A lot of words come from slavic languages, pronunciation is perfectly consistent with writing (russian is not perfectly consistent but still way better than English). It is actually way harder for me because I also learned Swedish: in Swedish, "vi" = we, "ni" = plural you, and it constantly throws me off the balance.
@@Evildea I hope that everyone realised that it is a joke. Even many native speakers can't spell it as it is so hard. But there is a myth that English is easy even if it has irregular verbs, plurals and many other difficulties. Some people boast that they learnt English easily, but we hear less often from the big majority who found it a big struggle.
There is a common believe that in the end of this century French will become an international language because Africa is highly developing and many there speak French as a native language in over 20 Countries there.
@@Evildea I just don't think it would be wise to trust it because regular translation services already struggle and AI has a tendency to just hallucinate plausible but completely wrong information
@ People already are trusting it in mass and it will only take time before it improves. It’s unavoidable at this point. Won’t stop me from learning languages though.
@@Evildea Yeah not so sure about anything being 'inevitable' but I see your point, given current evidence, it is highly likely that the algorithms people call 'AI' will be fully integrated into society at some level, probably multiple levels. That being said the whole thing does seem a bit overblown, especially by some. In any event, regardless of whether others are currently trusting AI with such things, it doesn't change my level of trust. Furthermore, as people get more experience with using AI they often do end up losing faith in it. It will almost certainly get better and just because people haven't figured out how to solve the hallucination problem doesn't mean they won't but it's rather a difficult problem to solve because of their black box nature. Even trickier with language translation though as there really isn't always a one-to-one translation method possible, especially with highly divergent languages such as Japanese to English where the systems are radically different. It takes someone who understands both languages and the context at a really high level to provide a useful and accurate translation that conveys any level of nuance. I don't see LLM-style AI being able to understand the context because that's not really what they are grown to do.
I didn't like it, but I didn't hate it either. But what I didn't like was people thinking it's more serious than satirical and actually leaving with the wrong conception about our community.
I never heard of language simp but I am an Evildea subscriber. I also love Esperanto. It is pure genius and frankly will be around long after language simp is totally forgotten.
Speaking of Elon, making Esperanto the official language of Mars would be pretty funny. Although, the problem with that is that they would have to add in a ton of vocabulary to make it suitable for an entire civilization's worth of communication needs. It would make the language harder to learn, but also make it more useful.
All arguments by LanguageSimp could be summarised by the first point that it's too European. Coming from someone who speaks a European language natively, but who is from the Global South: I don't agree with your rationale that it's okay that Esperanto reflects its historical context, just because this was a point of history full of ugly, terrible things that should not be reproduced, i.e. colonialism, racism and slavery. Obviously, Esperanto survived exactly because it's European, so people in Europe would have motivation to learn it. If there was somewhere in the world that could be preoccupied with something frugal like learning a constructed language in that point of history, it was all-powerful Europe. But, even back then, there were many languages outside of Europe that could be incorporated and were ignored. At that point, there was considerable knowledge of some of these languages, even lingua francas such as Arabic, Turkish and Swahili. There were way more minor and indigenous languages than today. The approach from Toki Pona of getting roots from multiple language families, even if they don't have geopolitical power, makes way more sense, even though I agree that the vocabulary is too small, so it's more a fun/artsy conlang than an auxlang. While I respect the excitement and the sense of community of Esperanto learners, I personally would never learn it just because it's too European (and colonial) to my taste, even if this doesn't become that clear for the speakers (as you did at 10:30). I don't buy even the other common arguments for learning it. The simplicity of phonotactics and grammar could be found at Spanish, Romanian or Bulgarian. Your argument for learning Esperanto as a first step to other languages could be found at German (it was for me, at least). I just think that a new true international conlang is yet to come, maybe after the English era, maybe when the global powers are more multicentric.
That's cool if you don't want to learn it. Everyone has their own reasons for doing things. I don't think we'll ever have an international conlang. Technology will solve this problem before that happens.
Sure there were other languages, but Zamenhof had no knowledge of them. He had the choice between using what he - a single person, not some team of linguists - knew and inventing every word himself. If he had chosen the latter he would have invented something like Kotava. - and maybe Volapük would have become bigger I think the only advantage of Toki Pona is that it uses far fewer letters which makes it easier to pronounce. You can say Dogi Boma and still be understood. However, Esperanto probably has adopted words from more languages than Toki Pona did. How many languages can you loan from if there's just 130 words in your vocabulary?
And your post is why we will Never have a conlang aux language. No matter who invents it there will always be people who refuse to learn for some perceived reasons. Made by a male? Feminist rejecting it. Made by a Jew? Made by a caucasian? Made by an African? Made by a heteronormative? Made by infidels? Always some reason people will find to reject it. I bet there would even be people refuse just because it was main stream and everyone decides to learn it so they wouldn't feel like they are in an exclusive club by learning it. Just how people are.
I wonder if he'd say the same for Modern Standard Arabic which everyone props up as THE Arabic but no one actually uses it in daily life. Or if there was a similar effort on the part of south americans or africans (which there is somewhat...). This anti-Esperanto attitude just seems like disguised racism to bash Europeans
Some of the people I've met who had very negative views of Esperanto were basically just gate keepers. It was hard for them to learn a language and they don't like the idea of someone else having is substantially easier while still getting the same sense of fulfilment. It's almost like they feel their efforts are undermined by someone else feeling success with less of a time investment, so they then proceed to attack the language based on that.
I feel for italian, should be next in his videos, with its "risciacquatura in Arno" from the literati like Dante, Boccaccio and so on... lol 😂😂😂 And what about turkish and modern greek...
no one is stopping you. I don't really know Swahili but here's a few ideas: ĵambon: saluton (jambo) asanton: dankon (asante) mi polesanas: pardonu min, domaĝas min (pole sana) huke: tie [malproksime] (huko) polepole, polepolu: malrapide, malrapidu (pole pole)
I would definitely welcome african/asian words for things that cannot be expressed well in the current vocabulary. The problem is that too many people think they should limit themselves to official words, while the Akademio only officialises what is "widely used"
When I lived in Peru (1990s), cable tv came to the region for the first time (!) One of the channels had. very interesting programming, but it was all talk, and surprisingly, no music (?) The language sounded very nasal and had a lot of 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 [ ʃ, ʒ, ʧ, ʤ ] sounds. 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 refers to post-alveolar fricatives (affricates). For the life of me, I thought that the mystery lang was either Polish (? It sounded like my Polish aunt talking with my Ukrainian grandmother in their ersatz Esturopean interpatois), or, as I got more used to it and could pick out mor and more Latinate-origin words, mebbe Romanian (⸮¿) I soon learned that it was Portuguese they were speaking (!?) I think that LangSimp identifying Esperanto phonology w/ Eastern European, and your own admission that Russians would have little problem, precisely b/c there are a lot of frequent 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 [ ʃ, ʒ, ʧ, ʤ ]or even [ɕ, ʑ, ʨ, ʥ ] sounds in Esperanto's sound inventory, and Eastern Slavlangs' inventories. Also, French and Italian have their fair share of some of the 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 sounds as well.
Esperanto opens up the doors of the West to the peoples of the east and in a much easier way than English, even as a starter language. I guess the racism argument is that Esperanto has taken not zhe Eastern words, but the Western words, but well, this is not Eurocentric, but also includes places like the whole American continent, Africa and the south Asian subcontinent where European languages are used and/or understood. It is more inclusive than for example taking Chinese, which is a great language with is great culture, but not understood everywhere. I do not see any reason guilt-tripping the West with a colonial past. This is about practicality. Not wanting to use something practical because you don't like where it comes from actually sounds like reverse racism.
Ah so it's the whole colonial past is bad thing. Yeah, most Australians don't generally follow that line of thinking so was really confused about how Esperanto could be racist lol.
Esperanto sounds like what my imagination tells me Romanian ought to sound like. I haven’t heard much Romanian. -edit: I see the simp dude agrees with me.
@Evildea i would have never found out about your channel if it wasn't for Language Simp posting your video on his IG story. Thanks to him, I have stumbled upon another awesome language related TH-cam channel 😊
For there can only be one in the great battle of immortal languages! That’s cool, everyone’s got their preferences. I plan to learn Latin after Chinese anyways so I’ll have all the power muhaha
Language Simp can be very funny, but I definitely don't agree w/ some of his views (on this topic, certainly, & on multiple others). Esperanto opens a lot of doors.
Idk man personally i believe Albanian should be the international language of the entire world. You guys probably spoke it around stone age and stopped for some random reason and started using other languages while Albanian has stayed the same.
Long live Albanian. For she sits in the shadows watching the world go by only stepping out in time of great need and crisis to restore peace and order. The language no one knows about but the one we all need.
No, we don't say dates like that in the US! Language Simp is just totally silly. Have you watched any of his videos on other languages? Dissing everything, in a maximally silly way, with all facts taken out of context for effect. This video of his is uncharacteristically almost-right... triggering you into trying to take on his claims. Does Esperanto somehow trigger a certain earnestness in those who even discuss it? (Spooky!)
Well I’m an Australia so both French and Italian are kind of useless to me unless I go to those specific countries in Europe or specific parts of Africa. I am interested in Spanish as I want to visit South America though, however, there is keep of Esperanto speakers there so even if I didn’t know the language I’d survive fine.
Evildea, I love you, but you really fell for the bait. LS's videos are usually tounge in cheek language jokes, and even as someone who speaks Esperanto at a very low level, I could see this his video was comedic (he calls English *American*, je la barbo). Do Esperantists usually try to defend themselves like this...? It's really embarrasing
I did tell him that it was a satire channel when recommending this topic, so he didn't fall for anything I think. In my comment I mention that a lot of Simp’s fans seem to take the jokes about Esperanto seriously.
I got the jokes :) I felt it be a great way to do some history lessons because maybe these were jokes to him but it’s definitely the belief of many people. I didn’t feel it was embarrassing but maybe I’m wrong in my assessment :(
@@Evildea I've seen commentaries on comedies, including content like ‘a lawyer reacting to Bee Movie ’, so I don't see anything wrong with your video. To your information, the strange reading of 1887 was a joke and not an American thing.
Ah damn I was kind of hoping that Americans actually said 1887 like that as it just seemed… cool but also believable with their wacky measurement systems haha
I couldnt learn this language. My school had people speaking it and even tutored me for 10 yrs and I couldnt learn or speak it but my 2nd language I learned was Japanese and was A2 level after 1 semster. So Esperanto made me hate!!!!! Learning languages.
mi pilin ala e ni: toki pona li kama jo e nimi mute lon tenpo kama. nanpa wan la: mute a la jan li wile kama sona toki pona tan ni taso: nimi pi mute ala li lon ona. ni la nimi mute li kama la jan ala sin li kama toki e toki pona. nanpa tu la: mute nimi li kama suli kepeken tenpo SULI A. kulupu pi toki pona la jan luka wan lon jan luka luka li kepeken nimi ni pi pu ala: nimi kijetesantakalu en nimi kipisi en nimi leko en nimi misikeke en nimi monsuta en nimi soko en nimi tonsi en nimi kin en nimi namako en nimi ku (nimi kin en nimi namako li lon lipu pu. taso pu la ona li sama nimi ante) taso nimi mute ni li lon lon open kin pi lipu pu la ona li nimi *sin* ala. taso la ona li pona ala tawa jan Sonja. nimi ni tu tu taso li kama lon pini pi lipu pu: misikeke en soko en tonsi en ku. nimi tonsi en nimi soko en nimi misikeke li kama lon sike nanpa mute ali luka luka luka tu tu. (mi sona ala e ni: ona ali li kama lon lon sike sama tan seme). nimi ku li kama lon pini. taso mi la nimi lipu sama nimi 'ku' sama nimi 'pu' li nimi a ala pi toki pona. mi la ona tu li sama nimi 'Inli'. ni la suli pi toki mi li ni: nimi tu wan sin taso li kama suli lon pini pi lipu pu. nimi ala sin li kama suli lon kulupu lon tenpo sike pini luka. (ken la toki pona li kama toki mama jan la jan ni li wile suli a e mute nimi. taso ken taso la toki pona li kama toki mama) (kin la pilin mi a la toki pona li ken toki e ali. taso ken suli la mi ken ala ante e pilin sina lon ni. mi pi tenpo pini li pilin e ni: toki pona li wile e nimi sin tawa toki pi ijo ali. taso pilin mi li ante. mi sona pi pona ala e tan)
Esperanto is spoken where there is at least one Esperanto speaker. As Jesus said, where two or more people are speaking in the name of God, then God will be there too. I'm not sure if it is this that Jesus told, but it doesn't matter, I am not a religious person. There are a few Esperanto speakers in almost every mid-size city in this world. Sorry poor English, I am learner. Mi evangelios ĉiujn per la sanktaj vortoj de Zamenhof, por ke ĉiuj aliĝu al nia dia komunumo. Nur la veraj parolantoj ricevos pardonon pro misuzo de akuzativo, kaj nur tiuj eniros la reĝlandon de Dio. Estu laŭdata Zamenhof la Eternulo. And if you don't like Esperanto, learn Neolatino or Interslavic. They are cool too. The only language you should never learn is called Ido. If you learn it, vi estos porĉiame forbarita el la Ĉielo.
Esperanto is a toy language. It is fun to play around with, but it isn't really useful for anything. Inventing a language to serve as an "international language" is counter intuitive, because any natural language is already more easily accepted for international use because people already see merits in the language.
I don't know what you mean by toy language? Do you mean just something you play with for fun? If that's the case then every language I've learned including Chinese are just toy languages as I don't need any of them for my career or life. I learn languages for fun.
@@Evildea It is a toy language in that you learn it for fun and there is no greater value it can add to your life by learning it. At best, it may help you cultivate language learning skills that can be applied elsewhere, but similarly there are literal children's toys out there that foster learning stuff like math, science, or etc.
That Language Simp guy is insufferable. I couldn’t watch even a minute of the original video. It triggers me so bad that he clearly hasn’t done any research, and I doubt he could even learn Esperanto if he tried.
Thank you for this video, from one Esperantist to another. Greetings from Chile 🇨🇱
Haha thanks for dropping by! I didn’t expect that. One of these days we will meet in person then we’ll see who’s the real gigachad :p
Polyglot Gigachad Alpha male is here
I hate that guy... Alright, I'm just jealous bc he's so frickin attractive
The woooorrrrrrrrst fr fr
@@Leon.Stanic any chance it's because you're a woman..........or man on this planet?
Language Simp vs Esperanto Simp
Hahaha love it
Like Godzilla vs King Ghidora- A Titan verses a Titan!
I have met several Asian Esperanto speakers who say quite seriously that they tried Esperanto because they hadn't been able to learn a European language.
(And quite a few more who hadn't been able to learn a European language -- until after they learned Esperanto.)
And the difference in difficulty for "Europeans" and "non-Europeans" seems to diminish greatly, as one gets past the beginner stages (and non-Europeans seem to avoid a lot of mistakes that Europeans fall into because it things seem superficially familiar).
We are directly addressing this topic by building a universal sign language based on Esperanto
He's a joker and a comedian in his videos. It's tongue in cheek humor!
We say 1887 we don't say it all out like Simp did
Noted!
@@Evildea Do they say years in Eperanto using the format "one thousand, eight-hundred and eighty-seven"? He might've been making a aubtle sting at that.
Yeap they do and I totally didn’t see that haha
@@christophertorak8301 It's 'mil okcent okdek sep', so literally 'thousand eighthundred eightten seven'.
1:37 Well that was a joke lol
People used to ask him a lot to make a video about Esperanto and why he disliked it. Generally the safest thing you can assume watching Language Simp is that everything is a joke, especially when his face expression shows not even a single shred of any kind of emotion. lol
I might even venture that, while he eschews total submission to Zamenhoff, he might just harbor a love-hate-(secret love) for the lang!
Has a secret Zamenhof alter in the basement :D
0:45 As someone who does not yet speak Esperanto, i think it really has a unique charm to it. Part of it sounds Italianish, Scandinavianish and Polish-like. What's interesting is that when i look at the texts, it really resembles Latin, but sounds very different from Latin. Personally i think that's got to do with Latin being a dead language and thus the Latins i usually hear are spoken powerfully and opaquely instead of casually like how a normal living language would. Honestly if you speak it to me without telling me that it's Esperanto, i'd have guessed Italian, Catalan or even Maltese.
Thanks! It always fascinates me to read what people think it sounds like. I now need to go listen to some Catalan as I don’t think I can imagine that.
@@Evildea I've heard quite a bit of Catalan, and it sounds nothing like it, in my opinion. Catalan sounds very flan-like to me, it has a closer sound to French. Esperanto sounds a lot more solid, less melty.
It's very simple: if you don't like Esperanto or don't find it useful, then don't use it. Case closed. I've been using Esperanto in almost every way that it's possible to use it since I was a teenager in the 1970s and it changed my life in the most positive way. I don't need to justify that to anybody, and at the same time I'm not interested in trying to "convert" people. Arguing about Esperanto makes as much sense to me as arguing about stamp collecting.
Pretty much.
Even though most roots come from Latin and other European languages, it is important to note that Esperanto is still much easier to learn for Chinese people than English. And there are similarities with Chinese, for example the words for numbers which work exactly like in Chinese. Furthermore there are lots of compound words, very similar to Chinese.
That is true
_Small_ numbers work very similar as they do in Chinese (and many other languages, like Turkish or Mapudungún afaik). But as soon as you reach the 10,000s, Chinese does its own thing, grouping by 4 0s instead of 3. That's where Chinese numbers lost me lol.
Yeah, that's really hard to get used to. It's also really hard for wife when she's using English numbers because once they go above that she needs to math that shit in her head lol.
@@Evildea I can imagine X_X.
You probably know this, I think Japanese groups in the same way, by 4 0s, right? Do you know if it's common to most of East Asia? I wouldn't be surprised if Korean and Vietnamese and a bunch more languages did the same thing.
Literally every language has compounds. That says nothing about the words. There is zero similarity in having them. Most Esperanto users are native English speakers therefore the way things are said, the culture of the speaking community, is mostly aligned with English. This is true of any conlang that can be said to be a sort of actual language (has speaking community) and isn't just a loose description of a wouldbe language. Especially considering they're mostly monolingual conlang enthusiasts and don't even notice.
Frankly speaking, I still don't get why people keep insisting that a full-blown language should be necessarily be attached to a certain terrirory or state? For example, there were plenty of nomadic tribes and peoples throughout the human history, but their languages kept functioning. Plus the lack of any kind of official status does not change the fact, that Esperanto or any other language like this can be functional and worthy anyway.
Furthermore, for the note for these "linguists" amongst Esperanto haters, any standard language can also be considered a conlang. Surprise surprise! :D If there are certain rules, which word sounds, for example, officially or what is considered a vernacular\common language, therefore it is already an artificiality, which is often ignored by these haters, accusing Esperanto of artificiality and lack of "being developed naturally".
They tend to expose artificiality as a downside, whereas Esperanto or any other conlang bares no harm, being like that. I genuienely don't get this position.
Technically, Esperanto is an international language, because it is obviously used basicllally as a bridge language by people, communicating internationally. It is not a necessary condition to be globally spread, though Esperanto is rather globally disperced, but I don't see a problem in it either.
Speaking of eurocentrism, to be precise, Esperanto was initially created rather for an educated European of 19 century, but over the time it spread beyond Europe. And as far it still exists in other continent, hence people never seen this as a problem.
Plus other European (rather Indo-European) languages are spoken in other continents as well, so why Esperanto should be rejected in this regard?
Esperanto is not perfect, but nothing is perfect in this world. Even if there was a truly perfect international language to be constructed, one would find anything in this to nitpick. Zamenhof apparently, creating Esperanto, was trying to pick up all upsides of each language, he ever been familiar with. And I think for that time he completed this challenge really good.
His another statement is also ridiculous, when he's saying that for Russian speakers Esperanto can be hard to pronounce. As a Russian speaker, I can safely say it was super easy for me to learn Esperanto if it came to its grammar, pronunciation and stuff. Syntax sometimes sounds extremely Russian like in words like "finfine" what is the calque of "в конце концов" ("v kontse kontsov"). Or letter "c" what is equal to Russian letter and sound "ц". These two are the first examples, coming up to my mind right away, but Esperanto has much more and more of them. In a nutshell, I have learned Esperanto with ease and even very playfully in many ways thanks to its syntactical and phonetical similarity to my mother tongue.
American alphabet? Is he serious? :D I thought, this alphabet was latin, but ok, let it be :D
Any hobby can poison the minds of youth irrespective of if it is linguistic or not. Following this principle, youngsters should not be fond of anything, otherwise they can waste their precious time, which instead could be spent on doing nothing :D Actually, youth (and not only) is the age, when it is natural to have hobbies and finding same occupation fellows. Hobbies can also grow into something more. For example, I started being fond of English just for fun, I never thought of its practical use or money, I could earn, using it. I just learned and that's all. Over the time I became a translator by one of my diplomas and regularly use English at work as well as with my friends. Nobody knows the future, especially, what can your hobby bring you to. If Esperanto does the same, so what's harmful? Even if one doesn't make money with it, Esperanto can give good moments and memories, which are also essentially precious, because I am convinced that nothing in this life is about earnings and survival.
Speaking of Esperanto's usefulness, I can add that French and Spanish are a bit easier to learn for me after Esperanto. And was even helpful to understand English better, which I had already been familiar with.
In conclusion, I don't get if he is serious in this video or was he deliberately making it that provocative. I am still inclined to suppose that it was a provocation, directed on Esperanto community for the sake of trolling it. Ok, thanks, it was really laughable :D And thus he also advertasied Esperanto, because I am sure that after having watched it, some people got interested in it :D
+ he accuses Esperanto of eurocentrism, but recommends in the end to learn American. Isn't it another kind of centrism? And is it another provocation? I wonder :D
Wow! What a long comment. Yes, Esperanto seems to be the butt of many jokes. I also wonder about those who seriously believe its not a language then what their take on Hebrew must be as it is a revived / reconstructed language that also had large parts of it vocab made up by one single individual.
@@Evildea Hehe, yes, I wasn't able to hold my inspiration, though I don't think I had to :D
I agree actually, and I am sure there are many examples like this to be provided. In my opinion, haters are basically driven by their emotions. Yes, their point can be very structured at first glance, but quite illogical if one wants to dive deeper. Though the majority of people tend to brush this off without any desire to analize such flow of hate.
As for reconstruction, I find it great, and I think many other languages might be revived, if needed. And it's a miracle, that Hebrew was revived and now it llives and functions so naturally, that many people wouldn't even suspec that it was once reconstructed. I wonder what these haters would respond to this examlpe :D
These examples I find the most fascinating. It's why I'm also very interested in Cornish!
You do know that LanguageSimp is taking the piss? Relax and have a look at some of his other videos.
@@Evildea It's funny, because I abhor Hebrew and how it sounds, but so far I love how Esperanto sounds.
Learning a language opens a new culture to you. The problem with Esperanto is that the culture is "conlang nerds." 😂
Hahaha I accept that. I am definitely a conlang nerd.
problem?
Not entirely, a lot of us aren't event interested in conlangs so much, not everyone is a linguistics fan even, for Example native English spekers sometimes are esperantists because they just wanted to tick the "learn a language" on their list.
If you look in the comment section of the Esperanto video by Langfocus you see languagesimp in the comments saying I love esperanto. Lore lol
I wonder if that is just his humour! Hard to tell.
@Evildea i seriously don't actually know if it's true or not. I personally don't believe utility is a justification to learn a language. If it was necessary then why would I try, I already know English.
I like seeing as a little experiment how Esperanto and Toki Pona are constructed languages but they somehow evolve overtime like nature languages lol
Hang around another 200 years and your dreams may well come true :p
Almost forgot! there was a sci-fi series in which there are people living and working in the astroid belt who are from many different parts of Earth and they speak a mixture of languages, including Esperanto. (I was thrilled to understand them speaking)
Is that "The Expanse"? I know they have the belter language in the Expanse but I didn't know it was impact by Esperanto.
I just love the petty disagreements. It’s kinda fun. Like disagreeing with friends. When it’s all love, it’s good fun.
Petty disagreements is what we do best lol
A friend of mine who did graduate research in china told me in the early days of the PRC (mainland china) there had been some consideration of making Esperanto the national language of China rather than Mandarin. (Chinese had dozens of mutually unintelligible dialects) It failed but he said documents for that time were written in both and he found it easier to read the Esperanto (that he’d never studied) than the Chinese (that he had a graduate degree in)
I’ve also read about that where there was a push for a little while to make Esperanto the national language. Regarding using Esperanto instead of Chinese to understand high level discussions like that I could totally understand haha.
Your friend was wrong. Who was giving this consideration?
@@tanizaki It was more of an active debate topic than anything among the intellectuals at the time that stirred up enough interest for people to actively take sides on the idea. These were the people who would later play important roles in the communist movement and/or standardise the Chinese language. You can read some of the history here:
theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gotelind-muller-and-gregor-benton-esperanto-and-chinese-anarchism-in-the-1920s-and-1930s
In China itself, Zhou Zuoren returned in the magazine Dongfang zazhi to the discussion about Esperanto and the reform of Chinese that had occupied intellectuals in the 1910s. Like Qian Xuantong, Zhou and Lu Xun had been pupils of Zhang Binglin. At Beijing University, Zhou had followed the Esperanto discussion in Xin qingnian. As a translator of foreign literature and a writer, he had an interest in the controversy about national languages and the pro and cons of the vernacular. He was close to Erošenko and a patron of the Esperanto school. Nevertheless, he remained lukewarm about Esperanto. He said in Dongfang zazhi that the time had come to sum up the language debate. The extreme demand, to abolish Chinese and replace it with Esperanto, was not just illusory but undesirable.
Basically, it would be like if the heads of the elite today were having an internal debate about the merits of this language replacing their own. Doesn't mean it had any chance of happening but it was being discussed.
@ So what if it was “being discussed”? Whether or not Earth is flat is “being discussed”.
The comment to which I replied implied that there was a snowball’s chance in hell that the PRC would adopt Esperanto as the official language. I corrected that laughable and demonstrably false implication, which your initial reply did nothing to dispel.
@@tanizaki The original comment said “There had been some consideration”. I just showed that there was some consideration, i.e debates on the topic that stretched over a nearly 10 year period, that’s not false. The people who engaged in these debates were people like the president of Beijing University and later education minister. So these weren’t nobodies.
13:30 Look at it from another perspective. France - big empire. English - huge empire. Germany - huge industrial base. Russian - big empire. Spain - still a bit of empire left.
Italian - freshly unified, with no international standing (outside of the Opera house).
Italian simply was the most neutral language Europe in 1887 that people could still know something about (Swiss-Romance was even more neutral, but today's Swiss government has problems finding enough Romance speakers to fill prescribed positions).
13:17 Doesn't Tuscan have a comparatively small vowel base? Like, you wouldn't have been able to get an audio track of the language, so pointing to the simpler one of the lot and saying "do it like that" would have to be the easiest way right?
Was I the only one that got that the joke about 1887 was about the Esperanto number system and how weird it would sound if you translate that literally back into English? I mean, you actually say it in your intro for the non-Esperantists. "Esperanto was created in one thousand, eight hundred, eighty, seven." We don't shorthand years like in English. I thought it was hilarious.
Great vid, Language Simp!
I totally didn’t see the parallel haha and assumed it was just another wacky American measurement system!
@@Evildea Guns in school buses per football walmart.
:O
I don't think Spanish will replace English in the US, but I could see future American English having a lot of Spanish loan words and phrases.
I totally agree. I was just trying to be funny since he kept jokingly referring to English as American. Who knows, maybe the true future language will be Pennsylvania Dutch!
Something like spanglish would most likely be future lenguage lol
We already do. At least in Texas
To me it sounds like a stereotypical Italian speaking like a stereotypical Swede. This was also my first time hearing Esperanto.
Haha that’s an interesting combo!
As an American who has learned Italian, it sounds like you're speaking German with a strong British accent
Very interesting!
Pizza cutter humor makes my eyes wanna roll right out of my head...
Juan would have an advantage in vocabulary but Ling would probably have an advantage in grammar.
That’s a good point and something I’ve only come to notice more and more the further I get along with Chinese.
Esperanto to me, having zero knowledge on it, sounded similar to Spanish/Portuguese with some French sprinkled in.
That sounds more like what I’m used to hearing. Someone else said it sounded like Japanese!
that is not how we say dates. It's language simp being funny.
I do like how you approached this very respectfully but your point of saying that at that point French was the international language isn’t a great point. Though it was very widely spoken Asia still exists and they weren’t speaking all that much French, I do think it would be pretty difficult to mix every language but there could’ve been a lot more influence from Indian languages considering how much of the population lives in India as well as more influence from South Asia, also to be a bit nitpicky the most common sentence structure worldwide is subject object verb so I personally think that it should also be the case in Esperanto.
Edit: sorry about that last comment, I did some quick research and discovered Esperanto has a pretty good way of marking things
Hey no problem! My point was simply that at the time India and most of East Asia weren’t considered anything beyond colonies. So Esperanto was a product of its time and was based on the super powers of the time. Not saying that’s a good thing just that was the logic. There were other languages that spawned at the same time that took a more holistic approach but for various reasons they died including seeming too foreign to the sensibilities of Europeans. Volapuk was one of these languages that died and it’s last few speakers even tried to revive it by reforming it to make it more European.
@@Evildea fair enough, thanks for the response and have a good day, or night I don’t know what time it is in Australia
@ you too!
Esperanto was originally called la universala lingvo.
For years starting with 2, in my experience most Americans say "two thousand twenty four," while some say "twenty twenty four." Both sound normal to me.
For years starting with 1, everyone says "Nineteen..." I expect that he said the year that way as a joke. Possibly about the way it's said in Esperanto, as someone said.
Yeap, clearly the joke went over my head lol
LangSImp is trying to bust Esperanto down from universala lingvo, down to galactica lingvo… whoops, I meant 𝘨𝘢𝘭𝘢𝘬𝘴𝘪𝘢 lingvo.
Can I ask you, when you study a language, do you memorize common expressions or sentence structures? You know, like all these juicy expressions like "to the best of my knowledge", "judging by the fact that", "despite the fact that" or something similar, just small everyday things that are infinitely useful. Do you use Anki cards for that? If yes, then how?
Only as part of full sentence structures. I have a video on my channel called “The Grind” that breaks down my process. I’d link it here but on my phone atm.
@@Evildea Got it, no worries, I will find it, thank you for the pointer!
@@Evildea I am a bit confused though, if I understand it correctly, you listen to a sentence and then if you instantly recognize it, you click Good. But does it help you to memorize all these structures and stuff? Like I have almost no issues understanding the language I am learning, but I need to memorize in a sense all these structures and expressions to be more fluent when speaking. Though maybe I should just try doing it.
In the grind video, I show I build multiple sentences that use a similar template with only a down or verb swapped out so once I listen to them over and over I start to understand subconsciously the underlying pattern that exists behind all these sentences as I’ve been constantly exposing my brain to the same pattern over and over.
@@Evildea Oh, right. I got it now. It sounds great, thank you so much for explaining it! I am new to Anki, so I was trying to do it using cards with blanks instead of words, but it quickly became memorization of "which particular word was used here" and kind of useless, so I was pretty lost. It is incredible help!
Agreed
Esperanto is just beautiful. One famous analogy is that people say; it's only you and another person speaking it. Honestly my boyfriend and I love this about it! In many places it is our secret language! I hope one day many people be abole to speak it. But even if they don't, I'm happy that I know this language. P.s: of course esperanto can benefit you to learn a language like German or French but let's just put usefulness aside and enjoy this simple language. And p.p.s: It is not a race to learn Esperanto! So it doesn't matter if someone because of their background and native language can learn it easier than a Chinese person. It's important that even that person who's having a "harder" time is learning it in 6 months! The language is easy to learn for everyone.
If a day comes that we'll have an easier language that also is as vast as esperanto, I'm definitely going to learn it! It's not my native language and you can criticize it all you want. Just know that learning the language is way easier
That’s beautiful that you and your girl speak it together. My wife and I use it in public to swear at each other haha
I wonder how easy Balaibalano was. It was an conglang that predated Esperanto by 400 years
@@kafejoeo never heard of it but will check it out
I never can figure out what is education in Language Simp video and what is his humor. 😂
I think starting my kids on Esperanto is the reason we are a multilingual household (along with American Sign Language and Japanese).
I think that Esperanto "cult" is that it is so easy.
Do you make them worship Zamenhof? You’re not a committed esperantist if you don’t have a little in-house temple where they can worship at and leave the hearts of unsuspecting Ido speakers.
As a russian I confirm that Esperanto is an easy mode. A lot of words come from slavic languages, pronunciation is perfectly consistent with writing (russian is not perfectly consistent but still way better than English). It is actually way harder for me because I also learned Swedish: in Swedish, "vi" = we, "ni" = plural you, and it constantly throws me off the balance.
Yeah I have a similar thing with Chinese where 你 (ni) means you and obviously Esperanto ni means us.
Also note: "American" has "simple grammar and phonology rules with no exceptions."
Obvious joke :)
@@Evildea I hope that everyone realised that it is a joke. Even many native speakers can't spell it as it is so hard. But there is a myth that English is easy even if it has irregular verbs, plurals and many other difficulties. Some people boast that they learnt English easily, but we hear less often from the big majority who found it a big struggle.
I speak Esperanto fluently we speak Esperanto at home with my 3 kids and my wife
Awesome!
To me, Esperanto sounds like the latin part of Romanian mashed up with (European) Portugese.
Very interesting!
Languages challenge?
Great to see you again. Esperanto estas mojosa kaj bela lingvo!
Dankon!
There is a common believe that in the end of this century French will become an international language because Africa is highly developing and many there speak French as a native language in over 20 Countries there.
Well, in that case Esperanto may see a revival again haha!
@@EvildeaI've seen Esperanto music vids From Africa. Now if some ones Afrobeats in Esperanto...😊😊😊
A growing stock of words means that a language is not dead but alive and developing.
Yeap!
Esperanto estas mirinda lingvo! dankon pro la video pri la reago al Language Simp!
Nedankinde!
I came from language simps channel, and i agree with him. Not trying to start a war in the chat, just stating my opinion.😅
All good
I don't think ai is going to ever replace language learning
Not 100% but will massively reduce the need
@@Evildea I just don't think it would be wise to trust it because regular translation services already struggle and AI has a tendency to just hallucinate plausible but completely wrong information
@ People already are trusting it in mass and it will only take time before it improves. It’s unavoidable at this point. Won’t stop me from learning languages though.
@@Evildea Yeah not so sure about anything being 'inevitable' but I see your point, given current evidence, it is highly likely that the algorithms people call 'AI' will be fully integrated into society at some level, probably multiple levels. That being said the whole thing does seem a bit overblown, especially by some. In any event, regardless of whether others are currently trusting AI with such things, it doesn't change my level of trust. Furthermore, as people get more experience with using AI they often do end up losing faith in it. It will almost certainly get better and just because people haven't figured out how to solve the hallucination problem doesn't mean they won't but it's rather a difficult problem to solve because of their black box nature. Even trickier with language translation though as there really isn't always a one-to-one translation method possible, especially with highly divergent languages such as Japanese to English where the systems are radically different. It takes someone who understands both languages and the context at a really high level to provide a useful and accurate translation that conveys any level of nuance. I don't see LLM-style AI being able to understand the context because that's not really what they are grown to do.
XD I really liked the language's simp Esperanto video
I need to check out his other videos. Like his Chinese one. Purposely not watching yet as maybe I’ll do a reaction to it (at some point).
I didn't like it, but I didn't hate it either. But what I didn't like was people thinking it's more serious than satirical and actually leaving with the wrong conception about our community.
@@EvildeaThey're often pretty funny, at least the ones he made when I watched him.
To me I’d say Esperanto sounds a little like Italian 🤷♀️
I never heard of language simp but I am an Evildea subscriber. I also love Esperanto. It is pure genius and frankly will be around long after language simp is totally forgotten.
What the heck.
Languagesimp is satire.
I learned Esperanto, then German, and now I am learning Russian, why? Because I enjoy learning.
Speaking of Elon, making Esperanto the official language of Mars would be pretty funny. Although, the problem with that is that they would have to add in a ton of vocabulary to make it suitable for an entire civilization's worth of communication needs. It would make the language harder to learn, but also make it more useful.
Haha a man can dream!
I, too, started with Esperanto, then moved to Spanish.
I know many who took that route!
First, in normal circumstances Americans say "18,86" (for example). Did you know there is a restaurant in New York where people speak Esperanto?
I totally didn’t know that, I should go to that restaurant and speak Volapuk :D
All arguments by LanguageSimp could be summarised by the first point that it's too European. Coming from someone who speaks a European language natively, but who is from the Global South: I don't agree with your rationale that it's okay that Esperanto reflects its historical context, just because this was a point of history full of ugly, terrible things that should not be reproduced, i.e. colonialism, racism and slavery. Obviously, Esperanto survived exactly because it's European, so people in Europe would have motivation to learn it. If there was somewhere in the world that could be preoccupied with something frugal like learning a constructed language in that point of history, it was all-powerful Europe. But, even back then, there were many languages outside of Europe that could be incorporated and were ignored. At that point, there was considerable knowledge of some of these languages, even lingua francas such as Arabic, Turkish and Swahili. There were way more minor and indigenous languages than today. The approach from Toki Pona of getting roots from multiple language families, even if they don't have geopolitical power, makes way more sense, even though I agree that the vocabulary is too small, so it's more a fun/artsy conlang than an auxlang.
While I respect the excitement and the sense of community of Esperanto learners, I personally would never learn it just because it's too European (and colonial) to my taste, even if this doesn't become that clear for the speakers (as you did at 10:30). I don't buy even the other common arguments for learning it. The simplicity of phonotactics and grammar could be found at Spanish, Romanian or Bulgarian. Your argument for learning Esperanto as a first step to other languages could be found at German (it was for me, at least). I just think that a new true international conlang is yet to come, maybe after the English era, maybe when the global powers are more multicentric.
That's cool if you don't want to learn it. Everyone has their own reasons for doing things. I don't think we'll ever have an international conlang. Technology will solve this problem before that happens.
Sure there were other languages, but Zamenhof had no knowledge of them. He had the choice between using what he - a single person, not some team of linguists - knew and inventing every word himself. If he had chosen the latter he would have invented something like Kotava. - and maybe Volapük would have become bigger
I think the only advantage of Toki Pona is that it uses far fewer letters which makes it easier to pronounce. You can say Dogi Boma and still be understood. However, Esperanto probably has adopted words from more languages than Toki Pona did. How many languages can you loan from if there's just 130 words in your vocabulary?
@@ronaldonmgPlus he created Esperanto based on a need within his own community at the time
And your post is why we will Never have a conlang aux language. No matter who invents it there will always be people who refuse to learn for some perceived reasons. Made by a male? Feminist rejecting it. Made by a Jew? Made by a caucasian? Made by an African? Made by a heteronormative? Made by infidels? Always some reason people will find to reject it. I bet there would even be people refuse just because it was main stream and everyone decides to learn it so they wouldn't feel like they are in an exclusive club by learning it. Just how people are.
Damn you’re grinding out videos lately
True that haha
The Esperanto bit sounds like Latin to me.
That would be an accurate conection. Unlike about it soounding like Spanish as many people say. The only conection to Spanish is through Latin.
I wonder if he'd say the same for Modern Standard Arabic which everyone props up as THE Arabic but no one actually uses it in daily life. Or if there was a similar effort on the part of south americans or africans (which there is somewhat...). This anti-Esperanto attitude just seems like disguised racism to bash Europeans
Some of the people I've met who had very negative views of Esperanto were basically just gate keepers. It was hard for them to learn a language and they don't like the idea of someone else having is substantially easier while still getting the same sense of fulfilment. It's almost like they feel their efforts are undermined by someone else feeling success with less of a time investment, so they then proceed to attack the language based on that.
The irony most are European or European descent
@@kafejoeo that's irrelevant. In China it was the Chinese that sought to destroy old Chinese culture under Mao.
I feel for italian, should be next in his videos, with its "risciacquatura in Arno" from the literati like Dante, Boccaccio and so on... lol 😂😂😂
And what about turkish and modern greek...
What is gorlano? It's not italian 😅
I have no idea. I need to add Italian to my list so I can catch the jokes :D
@@EvildeaI am italian, I don't get it... 😂😂😂
Back to grinding my fr and cn. Ciao 😊
I would love Esperanto if there were some Isizulu or Swahili words. African languages rock ❤
no one is stopping you. I don't really know Swahili but here's a few ideas:
ĵambon: saluton (jambo)
asanton: dankon (asante)
mi polesanas: pardonu min, domaĝas min (pole sana)
huke: tie [malproksime] (huko)
polepole, polepolu: malrapide, malrapidu (pole pole)
There are many Esperanto speakers in Africa so I'm surprised they haven't imported any of their words.
I would definitely welcome african/asian words for things that cannot be expressed well in the current vocabulary. The problem is that too many people think they should limit themselves to official words, while the Akademio only officialises what is "widely used"
When I lived in Peru (1990s), cable tv came to the region for the first time (!) One of the channels had. very interesting programming, but it was all talk, and surprisingly, no music (?) The language sounded very nasal and had a lot of 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 [ ʃ, ʒ, ʧ, ʤ ] sounds. 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 refers to post-alveolar fricatives (affricates). For the life of me, I thought that the mystery lang was either Polish (? It sounded like my Polish aunt talking with my Ukrainian grandmother in their ersatz Esturopean interpatois), or, as I got more used to it and could pick out mor and more Latinate-origin words, mebbe Romanian (⸮¿) I soon learned that it was Portuguese they were speaking (!?)
I think that LangSimp identifying Esperanto phonology w/ Eastern European, and your own admission that Russians would have little problem, precisely b/c there are a lot of frequent 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 [ ʃ, ʒ, ʧ, ʤ ]or even [ɕ, ʑ, ʨ, ʥ ] sounds in Esperanto's sound inventory, and Eastern Slavlangs' inventories. Also, French and Italian have their fair share of some of the 𝙘𝙝𝙪𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙖𝙣𝙩 sounds as well.
Yeah, I don’t know if it’s me but I have also a particular love to these kinds of sounds. They just feel strong.
Esperanto opens up the doors of the West to the peoples of the east and in a much easier way than English, even as a starter language.
I guess the racism argument is that Esperanto has taken not zhe Eastern words, but the Western words, but well, this is not Eurocentric, but also includes places like the whole American continent, Africa and the south Asian subcontinent where European languages are used and/or understood. It is more inclusive than for example taking Chinese, which is a great language with is great culture, but not understood everywhere. I do not see any reason guilt-tripping the West with a colonial past. This is about practicality. Not wanting to use something practical because you don't like where it comes from actually sounds like reverse racism.
Ah so it's the whole colonial past is bad thing. Yeah, most Australians don't generally follow that line of thinking so was really confused about how Esperanto could be racist lol.
I'll probably be an Esperanto simp por ĉiame.
Bonege haha
Great video! Bonega Video!
Dankon
Americans say the years like you do. Eighteen eighty seven. He was just goofing
That's not how we say dates
Esperanto sounds like what my imagination tells me Romanian ought to sound like. I haven’t heard much Romanian. -edit: I see the simp dude agrees with me.
Interesting, a lot of people are saying Romanian. I need to go watch some Romanian videos.
Tio estas reago-fiometo kiun mi ne sciis ke mi volis xD
Kaj mi sciis, ke mi volis kaj tial mi petis ĝin kaj ricevis :)
Dankon haha
Is your fan base called grinders? Why? I can only think of my favorite app when I hear that lmaoooo
Yeap, and that’s half the joke. The other half is we grind language learning. I got a video on it :) welcome to the grinders haha
Awesome video! 😊
Thanks! 😊
@Evildea i would have never found out about your channel if it wasn't for Language Simp posting your video on his IG story. Thanks to him, I have stumbled upon another awesome language related TH-cam channel 😊
@@thatguyfromthere1168 Thats awesome! I didnt even realise he done that haha. Now gotta get an Instagram so I can take a look
I personally don't like Esperanto. It's but a copy of Latin, which intends to be what Latin already is: the immortal universal language.
For there can only be one in the great battle of immortal languages! That’s cool, everyone’s got their preferences. I plan to learn Latin after Chinese anyways so I’ll have all the power muhaha
Language Simp can be very funny, but I definitely don't agree w/ some of his views (on this topic, certainly, & on multiple others).
Esperanto opens a lot of doors.
WW1 and Stalin and Hitler in the aftermath actually killed the breakthrough of Esperanto.
I’m guessing you read the book Danĝera Lingvo, if not I highly recommend it!
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La libro estas skribita en Esperanto?
Jes, tre densa libro
@@Evildea Dankon pro tiu informo, mia dio. Mi pensas ke mi aĉetos ĉi tiun libron.
U can record little esperanto humoric film
I got one in the works
Idk man personally i believe Albanian should be the international language of the entire world. You guys probably spoke it around stone age and stopped for some random reason and started using other languages while Albanian has stayed the same.
Long live Albanian. For she sits in the shadows watching the world go by only stepping out in time of great need and crisis to restore peace and order. The language no one knows about but the one we all need.
No, we don't say dates like that in the US! Language Simp is just totally silly. Have you watched any of his videos on other languages? Dissing everything, in a maximally silly way, with all facts taken out of context for effect. This video of his is uncharacteristically almost-right... triggering you into trying to take on his claims. Does Esperanto somehow trigger a certain earnestness in those who even discuss it? (Spooky!)
I haven't seen his other videos as I mentioned in the video. Planning at some point to check out his Chinese one and do a react.
Can u speak mini the new language created in 2020
Never heard of it. Will check out.
To be fair Esperanto is a usless language just learn Itlaian that helps oen learn French and Spanish at the same time.
Well I’m an Australia so both French and Italian are kind of useless to me unless I go to those specific countries in Europe or specific parts of Africa. I am interested in Spanish as I want to visit South America though, however, there is keep of Esperanto speakers there so even if I didn’t know the language I’d survive fine.
Great video! I think you “got” the jokes, but your (insightful) analysis ignored the jokes so it came off like you didn’t get it. ; )
I totally got the jokes :)
@@Evildea Almost all at least.
It sounds like European, honestly.
Evildea, I love you, but you really fell for the bait. LS's videos are usually tounge in cheek language jokes, and even as someone who speaks Esperanto at a very low level, I could see this his video was comedic (he calls English *American*, je la barbo). Do Esperantists usually try to defend themselves like this...? It's really embarrasing
I did tell him that it was a satire channel when recommending this topic, so he didn't fall for anything I think. In my comment I mention that a lot of Simp’s fans seem to take the jokes about Esperanto seriously.
I got the jokes :) I felt it be a great way to do some history lessons because maybe these were jokes to him but it’s definitely the belief of many people. I didn’t feel it was embarrassing but maybe I’m wrong in my assessment :(
@@Evildea I've seen commentaries on comedies, including content like ‘a lawyer reacting to Bee Movie ’, so I don't see anything wrong with your video. To your information, the strange reading of 1887 was a joke and not an American thing.
Ah damn I was kind of hoping that Americans actually said 1887 like that as it just seemed… cool but also believable with their wacky measurement systems haha
It was a good response video and not embarrassing at all.
I couldnt learn this language. My school had people speaking it and even tutored me for 10 yrs and I couldnt learn or speak it but my 2nd language I learned was Japanese and was A2 level after 1 semster.
So Esperanto made me hate!!!!! Learning languages.
Are you sure you're not confusing "Esperanto" and "Español"? 😆
I think this is satire. I do not believe that they needed a whole year of tutoring for almost each one of Esperanto's massive 16(!) grammar rules.
Either satire or Español, I'm curious which now :D
No americans say 18 - 87. I think he is just playing with the language
Good to know. I thought this might have been another one of those measurement systems they use over there haha
mi pilin ala e ni: toki pona li kama jo e nimi mute lon tenpo kama.
nanpa wan la:
mute a la jan li wile kama sona toki pona tan ni taso: nimi pi mute ala li lon ona. ni la nimi mute li kama la jan ala sin li kama toki e toki pona.
nanpa tu la:
mute nimi li kama suli kepeken tenpo SULI A.
kulupu pi toki pona la jan luka wan lon jan luka luka li kepeken nimi ni pi pu ala:
nimi kijetesantakalu en nimi kipisi en nimi leko en nimi misikeke en nimi monsuta en nimi soko en nimi tonsi en nimi kin en nimi namako en nimi ku (nimi kin en nimi namako li lon lipu pu. taso pu la ona li sama nimi ante)
taso nimi mute ni li lon lon open kin pi lipu pu la ona li nimi *sin* ala. taso la ona li pona ala tawa jan Sonja. nimi ni tu tu taso li kama lon pini pi lipu pu: misikeke en soko en tonsi en ku.
nimi tonsi en nimi soko en nimi misikeke li kama lon sike nanpa mute ali luka luka luka tu tu. (mi sona ala e ni: ona ali li kama lon lon sike sama tan seme). nimi ku li kama lon pini. taso mi la nimi lipu sama nimi 'ku' sama nimi 'pu' li nimi a ala pi toki pona. mi la ona tu li sama nimi 'Inli'.
ni la
suli pi toki mi li ni:
nimi tu wan sin taso li kama suli lon pini pi lipu pu. nimi ala sin li kama suli lon kulupu lon tenpo sike pini luka.
(ken la toki pona li kama toki mama jan la jan ni li wile suli a e mute nimi. taso ken taso la toki pona li kama toki mama)
(kin la pilin mi a la toki pona li ken toki e ali. taso ken suli la mi ken ala ante e pilin sina lon ni. mi pi tenpo pini li pilin e ni: toki pona li wile e nimi sin tawa toki pi ijo ali. taso pilin mi li ante. mi sona pi pona ala e tan)
15:15🫠
Arab / Romanian / Greek
Very interesting!
To me, it sounds like romanian.
I don't actually remember what Romanian sounds like. I'm going to need to go watch some videos haha.
Esperanto is spoken where there is at least one Esperanto speaker. As Jesus said, where two or more people are speaking in the name of God, then God will be there too. I'm not sure if it is this that Jesus told, but it doesn't matter, I am not a religious person. There are a few Esperanto speakers in almost every mid-size city in this world. Sorry poor English, I am learner. Mi evangelios ĉiujn per la sanktaj vortoj de Zamenhof, por ke ĉiuj aliĝu al nia dia komunumo. Nur la veraj parolantoj ricevos pardonon pro misuzo de akuzativo, kaj nur tiuj eniros la reĝlandon de Dio. Estu laŭdata Zamenhof la Eternulo. And if you don't like Esperanto, learn Neolatino or Interslavic. They are cool too. The only language you should never learn is called Ido. If you learn it, vi estos porĉiame forbarita el la Ĉielo.
Je la sankta barbo de Zamenhof
Why learn Esperanto when you can learn Klingon? Probably more useful.
Why not both? I'm planning to learn Klingon eventually. Even got the materials ready to go. Just got a few other languages to get through first.
According to the little girl on tiktok😊
your Esperanto sounds Scottish to me lol.
#klingoninternationallanguage
Scottish! That's the first I've heard of that!
Esperanto is the most stupid invention ever. International? What a load of crap. A romance sounding language? I'm learning Chinese thanks
Well, I speak both so which every takes over the world I win :D
Well, it was international. Universal no
I stopped to watch the original in the moment the guy pronounced "American alphabet".
Couldn't take a joke huh
Esperanto is a toy language. It is fun to play around with, but it isn't really useful for anything.
Inventing a language to serve as an "international language" is counter intuitive, because any natural language is already more easily accepted for international use because people already see merits in the language.
I don't know what you mean by toy language? Do you mean just something you play with for fun? If that's the case then every language I've learned including Chinese are just toy languages as I don't need any of them for my career or life. I learn languages for fun.
@@Evildea It is a toy language in that you learn it for fun and there is no greater value it can add to your life by learning it.
At best, it may help you cultivate language learning skills that can be applied elsewhere, but similarly there are literal children's toys out there that foster learning stuff like math, science, or etc.
But I built a business using it.
@@Evildea What is your business that uses it?
amikumu.com/