@@ploop69 the logic between the new disguiser is not that easy to understand. And this game has turned into "who knows the mechanics best" instead of "who plays the best".
skimm did briefly consider the possibility but discarded it. the fault lays with the jailor, who never clarified that they weren't attacked n1, causing everyone to assume the spy was a liar. meanwhile the spy clearly didn't know how disguiser worked, and just made themselves look like a really bad player. after they did, skimm was pretty clearly confused, but because the jailor never clarified they weren't attacked, the spy just being a crappy player seemed more logical. definitely a misplay to not figure it out, but there was definitely circumstances that made figuring it out tricky
I think that spy was very new to the game. They were on the jailor claim, who was attacked and BG died for, and they read the "Your target was attacked but someone fought them off." message that spy gets from the bug status as themselves being saved by BG. Maybe that explains it? And the fact that they think BG stops maf visits could be just them being confused, thinking they got attacked.
From the Disguiser Wiki: A Spy will not see the visits of a Mafia member Disguised as a non-Mafia member. -Mafioso was disguised and attacked 2. -Witch used BG on 2. -Also, the Framer visited Jailor which, if it was intentional, it was 200IQ because this was the maf visit that threw everyone off- -I was wrong on the last part. Disguiser visited jailor. A very rare chain of events but it's what makes the game fun for evils.
the bg was witched to 2 and the disguiser disguised the mafioso (who visited 2) so u dont actually see who the mafioso actually visits bc the mafioso was disguised as jailor or the other person seen on mv. So the spy actually was attacked but disguiser makes it seem like its not the person the mafioso visited
The Spys will was correct. Its the jailors fault for not saying they werent attacked n1. And the towns general lack of knowledge on how disguiser and spy interact. Disguiser Disguised Mafioso as Jailor. Which hid mafiosos visit from spy. (The attack on 2) so the mv that showed are the 2 disguiser visits. Which is 9 and 13.
Yeah, jailor not claiming attacked made everything more confusing and especially cost the spy its credibility. I have to admit, that I did not know how disg works now, I have not played ToS in quite a while, but the people playing should know.
actually spy was wrong HIS target was attacked no him, The jailor was attacked, so the spy will see the jailor being attacked and someone protecting him, The spy read wrong the msg probably, and this caused a lot of confusion. but still i didnt thought he would be fake, just dumb. because jailor was attacked, just looking the bg will, this will be confirmed, maf would never do that play as fake spy, so as really think the spy was town, but dumb
or disguiser, disg the mafioso and spy didnt see the maf who was disg visiting. And witch, witched the bg on 2. So if was this, spy wasnt wrong, he was attacked and bg was on him because of witch, and he didnt saw the mafioso visiting because of disguiser. If this happened, its totally towns fault, and he was right
@@0cidd0 SPY WAS CORRECT This is what actually happened: 1.Disguiser disguise Mafioso(9) as Jailor(13). 2.Mafioso attacked 2. 3.Bodyguard got witched into 2. 4.Mafioso get killed by Bodyguard and Spy got attacked but someone fought off them. 5.Spy gets the MafiaVisits as 9 and 13, and he doesnt get 2 as MafiaVisit because Disguiser. 6.Everyone thinks Jailor got attacked because Bodyguard’s will. 7.Jailor doesnt claim not-attacked. 8.Lynch 2.
Yeah I figured it was a disguiser disguising the mafioso. Took me ages to understand how disguiser works (the wiki was not helpful at all) - if town had been on the ball and seen 9 as an mv n1 they'd have realise but RIP Plus the constant 'your will was wrong' is making me facepalm
I had a CAA game as Spy where I was being called a thrower for not putting in the right Mafia visits (someone died who wasn't on my MV). I immediately called that there was a Disguiser and that they mess up Spies. No one believed me and I was ignored. Died the very next night. The dude who called me a thrower said they went and looked up exactly what Disguiser does, and was very surprised to find that I was right. Soon after they apologized to me. PSA: Don't call a Spy fake just because the MVs might be a little off.
1 - Anyone who gets visited by maf will be shown on spy logs, that includes himself, wich wasn't included as visited in his own will. 2 - Bg's will says that his intention was to visit 13 3 - Bg dies fighting someone off 4 - As spy doesn't have himself as visited by maf, his argument is contradictory with his own will 5 - A member of the mafia wass killed by bg, confirming that it was mafia who did the attack and nos some random TK i think what happened was that the spy bugged 13 (the one who was attacked) and saw bg protecting them, but read it wrongly as the bg protecting themselves (protecting the spy) and this generated all this.
@@Lunym Spy cannot see a disguised mafia visit. Disguiser visited the jailor and disguised the mafioso as him. Mafioso attacked spy. Witch controlled BG onto spy and saves him. Spy sees the attacked/saved message but not the mafia visit. Both mafia visits that the spy saw were the disguiser's.
There’s an RB’d claim Day 1. There’s a Spy claim posting the RB’d claim wasn’t MV. Jailor executes the Escort anyway. Asserts “You’re clearly in the wrong” despite all evidence pointing to the Escort’s innocence.
This is what happened: -Mafia attacked 2 N1 -BG was witched off 13 onto 2 N1 -Disguiser disguised Mafioso with Jailor (hence the MV 9, 13) N1 -Mafioso's visit was disguised - it will not show correctly on spy will -The spy saw they were attacked and protected, but didn't see the visit because of Disguiser. I use that disguiser tactic all the time on other RMs to give their will some credibility, i.e. consort rbing a town but it won't show as MV to spy that that town was visited by consort.
Seeing Skimm not understand how Disguiser works hurts my soul. The spy was attacked, the BG was witched into 2, Disg was on 9 (mafioso) meaning their visit that spy would see is different to their actual visit and since mafioso died n1 with them as an MV confirmed disg game.
As others have said. CAA is constantly active. As for the weekly modes, u can usually get a game, even if you have to wait a bit. Oh and from my experience Lovers is most popular of the weekly modes. In addition, you may have people join lobbies to "recruit" for Coven Customs
Never mind the spy, the escort exe was stupid. There was no consort but they still exed because their tiny ego got hurt as someone didn't follow their order. Jailor doesn't mean everyone has to listen to you. Hopefully Flavio sends you his log to prove himself right.
Hey Skimm! Love the content. I'm trying to get into your alt content (like Traitor in Salem) but I can't enjoy it the same since it don't know the mechanics. If you focus a bit more on spelling out the fundamental mechanics on that game (and others) I'd love to be able to understand and watch more of your content.
I don't think that the exe on escort was such a bad call. He called everyone to visit him on day 1 "no excuses", but escort visits someone else. I mean noone has to visit jailor claim day 1, but it kinda looks like a consort play.
The fact that nobody in that lobby even considered the fact there could've been a disguiser is just amazing.
Nethier this 100+ hour ytbrer
@@ploop69 the logic between the new disguiser is not that easy to understand. And this game has turned into "who knows the mechanics best" instead of "who plays the best".
@@hapsin5219 true..some people do take the advantage of people not knowing game mechanics.
skimm did briefly consider the possibility but discarded it. the fault lays with the jailor, who never clarified that they weren't attacked n1, causing everyone to assume the spy was a liar. meanwhile the spy clearly didn't know how disguiser worked, and just made themselves look like a really bad player. after they did, skimm was pretty clearly confused, but because the jailor never clarified they weren't attacked, the spy just being a crappy player seemed more logical. definitely a misplay to not figure it out, but there was definitely circumstances that made figuring it out tricky
I think that spy was very new to the game. They were on the jailor claim, who was attacked and BG died for, and they read the "Your target was attacked but someone fought them off." message that spy gets from the bug status as themselves being saved by BG. Maybe that explains it? And the fact that they think BG stops maf visits could be just them being confused, thinking they got attacked.
That, or disguiser disguised the mafioso and the bg was witched into him.
From the Disguiser Wiki: A Spy will not see the visits of a Mafia member Disguised as a non-Mafia member.
-Mafioso was disguised and attacked 2.
-Witch used BG on 2.
-Also, the Framer visited Jailor which, if it was intentional, it was 200IQ because this was the maf visit that threw everyone off-
-I was wrong on the last part. Disguiser visited jailor.
A very rare chain of events but it's what makes the game fun for evils.
the bg was witched to 2 and the disguiser disguised the mafioso (who visited 2) so u dont actually see who the mafioso actually visits bc the mafioso was disguised as jailor or the other person seen on mv. So the spy actually was attacked but disguiser makes it seem like its not the person the mafioso visited
@@EdgeRatedR007 I've got no clue if this is true, but it would be pretty hilarious
The framer was jailed n1. Also disguiser actually visit 2 people, the maf they will disguise and the person the maf will be disguised as
The Spys will was correct. Its the jailors fault for not saying they werent attacked n1. And the towns general lack of knowledge on how disguiser and spy interact.
Disguiser Disguised Mafioso as Jailor. Which hid mafiosos visit from spy. (The attack on 2) so the mv that showed are the 2 disguiser visits. Which is 9 and 13.
Yeah, jailor not claiming attacked made everything more confusing and especially cost the spy its credibility. I have to admit, that I did not know how disg works now, I have not played ToS in quite a while, but the people playing should know.
My first thought was that spy might had read the bug wrong until I realized mafia had visited 9, which then confirmed the disguiser play.
actually spy was wrong HIS target was attacked no him, The jailor was attacked, so the spy will see the jailor being attacked and someone protecting him, The spy read wrong the msg probably, and this caused a lot of confusion. but still i didnt thought he would be fake, just dumb. because jailor was attacked, just looking the bg will, this will be confirmed, maf would never do that play as fake spy, so as really think the spy was town, but dumb
or disguiser, disg the mafioso and spy didnt see the maf who was disg visiting. And witch, witched the bg on 2. So if was this, spy wasnt wrong, he was attacked and bg was on him because of witch, and he didnt saw the mafioso visiting because of disguiser. If this happened, its totally towns fault, and he was right
@@0cidd0 SPY WAS CORRECT
This is what actually happened:
1.Disguiser disguise Mafioso(9) as Jailor(13).
2.Mafioso attacked 2.
3.Bodyguard got witched into 2.
4.Mafioso get killed by Bodyguard and Spy got attacked but someone fought off them.
5.Spy gets the MafiaVisits as 9 and 13, and he doesnt get 2 as MafiaVisit because Disguiser.
6.Everyone thinks Jailor got attacked because Bodyguard’s will.
7.Jailor doesnt claim not-attacked.
8.Lynch 2.
Skimm disg went on mafioso and made it look like he visited jailor when he actually went on spy. Thats how it works after the rework
Yeah I figured it was a disguiser disguising the mafioso. Took me ages to understand how disguiser works (the wiki was not helpful at all) - if town had been on the ball and seen 9 as an mv n1 they'd have realise but RIP
Plus the constant 'your will was wrong' is making me facepalm
Also 13 could easily confirm if he was attacked n1 or not. But they said nothing.
Disg works differently now skim
I immediately guessed disguiser game, only they or witch maf can visit their own
I had a CAA game as Spy where I was being called a thrower for not putting in the right Mafia visits (someone died who wasn't on my MV). I immediately called that there was a Disguiser and that they mess up Spies. No one believed me and I was ignored. Died the very next night.
The dude who called me a thrower said they went and looked up exactly what Disguiser does, and was very surprised to find that I was right. Soon after they apologized to me.
PSA: Don't call a Spy fake just because the MVs might be a little off.
@TwoPercentSkimm
I was the GF, and we did attack Number 2 the spy day 1. We didnt attack 13.
Poor spy was attacked by disguised maf, but no one believed him
12:45 Why could he not have been attack? Bodyguard died protecting someone and no one else claimed to have been defended. :/
Jailor never claimed attacked/saved D2 and then later I think he was still too salty with the escort to care.
1 - Anyone who gets visited by maf will be shown on spy logs, that includes himself, wich wasn't included as visited in his own will.
2 - Bg's will says that his intention was to visit 13
3 - Bg dies fighting someone off
4 - As spy doesn't have himself as visited by maf, his argument is contradictory with his own will
5 - A member of the mafia wass killed by bg, confirming that it was mafia who did the attack and nos some random TK
i think what happened was that the spy bugged 13 (the one who was attacked) and saw bg protecting them, but read it wrongly as the bg protecting themselves (protecting the spy) and this generated all this.
@@Lunym Spy cannot see a disguised mafia visit.
Disguiser visited the jailor and disguised the mafioso as him. Mafioso attacked spy. Witch controlled BG onto spy and saves him. Spy sees the attacked/saved message but not the mafia visit.
Both mafia visits that the spy saw were the disguiser's.
@@EdgeRatedR007 oh didn't know about that one thanks for that
There’s an RB’d claim Day 1. There’s a Spy claim posting the RB’d claim wasn’t MV. Jailor executes the Escort anyway. Asserts “You’re clearly in the wrong” despite all evidence pointing to the Escort’s innocence.
I think jailor deserved the report there ngl.
Thanks for uploading Town of Salem videos 😊 Haven't played the game in years, but I like watching the competitive side of the game.
HollytheMayor and iRepptar both upload tos ranked as well
This is what happened:
-Mafia attacked 2 N1
-BG was witched off 13 onto 2 N1
-Disguiser disguised Mafioso with Jailor (hence the MV 9, 13) N1
-Mafioso's visit was disguised - it will not show correctly on spy will
-The spy saw they were attacked and protected, but didn't see the visit because of Disguiser.
I use that disguiser tactic all the time on other RMs to give their will some credibility, i.e. consort rbing a town but it won't show as MV to spy that that town was visited by consort.
who attacked the spy tho
@@bookedroomer the mafioso attacked the spy
Seeing Skimm not understand how Disguiser works hurts my soul. The spy was attacked, the BG was witched into 2, Disg was on 9 (mafioso) meaning their visit that spy would see is different to their actual visit and since mafioso died n1 with them as an MV confirmed disg game.
11 was witched into 2, 9 attacked 2 while disguised as town (Mafia cannot visit themselves yet the mafia was on the spy logs as visited )
Some good old town of Salem 🤩
Man that jailor was terrible
i miss these videos...
I thought that maybe the spy mistook the bug on 13 as the BG on himself.
I hope you’re okay Mr. 2%. It’s been a while and I can only hope you’re enjoying TOS 2 off camera. Hope you give an update or something. Cheers
Yeah, new people don't understand disguiser. When I saw mafioso visited, I was screaming disguiser game here lmao
There was 1 extremely vital piece of information everyone missed. 9, the mafioso, was visited by maf.
and the spy's will on night 2 clearly outed 5 as maf.
Havnt played this in ages. Bloody miss it.
started playing ToS this week after not playing for a year, its still fun although some stuff has changed
Liiiike ntm the throwers,spammers, etc lol
Same, im also new with the disg rework
lmao witch got rolled atleast ahahah
Does anyone play Coven in ToS anymore? I havent seen a single other player there in weeks.
You won't get anyone in Ranked Practice, but All Any is packed 24/7
CAA is the only lobby that fills anything else is besides the odd rotated chaos mode is empty
@@ninenineninenine407 Thanks for the info I didnt actually check All Any!
@@aweriana4692 All Any and the Lovers game mode too are usually full. VIP mode you might get a few but not as often as Lovers
As others have said. CAA is constantly active.
As for the weekly modes, u can usually get a game, even if you have to wait a bit. Oh and from my experience Lovers is most popular of the weekly modes.
In addition, you may have people join lobbies to "recruit" for Coven Customs
I need to play this again
out of curiosity, why did you make your youtube name about types of milk?
Never mind the spy, the escort exe was stupid. There was no consort but they still exed because their tiny ego got hurt as someone didn't follow their order. Jailor doesn't mean everyone has to listen to you.
Hopefully Flavio sends you his log to prove himself right.
come back skimm 😭
Hey Skimm! Love the content. I'm trying to get into your alt content (like Traitor in Salem) but I can't enjoy it the same since it don't know the mechanics. If you focus a bit more on spelling out the fundamental mechanics on that game (and others) I'd love to be able to understand and watch more of your content.
I now find it weird when you don't stretch at the beginning of your vids. lol
This entire lobby was really toxic imo
Very toxic to the spy that was actually correct lmao.
I don't think that the exe on escort was such a bad call. He called everyone to visit him on day 1 "no excuses", but escort visits someone else. I mean noone has to visit jailor claim day 1, but it kinda looks like a consort play.
There was spy that confirms the esc. But the town for lack of knowledge didnt believe the spy will.
Would have been a sick clutch
Maf probably went to Jailor//11//Trans N1 or something because the Mafioso and BGdied N1. Cause it says BG died guarding someone.
ello skimm