Will "NEW" Diablo 4 finally be GOOD - Season 6 Rework & Vessel of Hatred Review
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- Will Season 6 finally make everyone say Diablo 4 Good! This is their second mayor rework in the spam of 6 months a little over 1 year after release. The Game is vastly changing and improving. But does it make the game better or just different?
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D4 is the largest beta test I've ever participated in.
Just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean it wasn't finished. I enjoyed it from day one. There's things I enjoy still now, but I am not looking forward to the new season. The Rune word crap is the worst thing D2 had, absolutely awful.
Seems like a marathon beta test by at this point when will it end & where is the legitimate end game content
@@williameldridge9382 same as you Im glad the runes are not words! it has potential but yes I'm happy with the game since day 1... but the majority of d4 community are blasters that want to go zooming all content faster and faster... and that is what the game are going to be from now... just an explosion of op power creep skills fx everywhere achievable in 2 days max of gameplay... I don't see the reason to target farming a boss over and over... I wish Mythic Gear "never existed"... at launch 0,01% got their hands on it... it was something really special... now they are "mandatory" as they become easy to acquire... still be playing the game but if PTR state goes live I feel they will create a monster...
Seriously
That you ever had to pay for participating, as a matter of fact
Boring, smooth brain content. Running Pits and NM dungeons until are balls are blue is not going to be fun. There is "still no end game content" for Diablo 4 - nor does it look like it's coming to the expansion. Just add another class and a new map - emote, yawn.
We need endgame simplicity: make PVE and PVP endgame raids. Make meaningful content that's refarmable in the end game. King of the Hill, Raiding 30 v 30. PVE with massive new content. That would at least be a start.
The Pit is the most boring content I've ever seen. The Infernal Hordes got boring fast. Helltides was improved since last season. NM dungeons are tiresome and boring.
OMG these suggestions are soooooo far away from what the community asks for, its insane - People got mad that there is now 4 player content and you want 30 v30 fights ? and more Raids? Nobody cares for PVP in an ARPG usually and most people want to play solo or with friends only. We are talking about a genre where the endgame was for years, teleport 2 minutes to a single boss and oneshot kill him for 1000 times in a row - hell players farmed a chest 10000 times - .... literally - clicked on a chest, reset the game, click on a chest - Of course talking about d2 here and its the best arpg of all time. So running dungeons, helltide or other stuff is like in a whole other universe of complexity already
Many of your suggestions sound like an mmo type game but its simply the wrong genre
The game didn't need such a heavy and convoluted progression overhaul - it needed improvements and quality of experience and enjoyment changes, that make the game more rewarding and fair for solo players. I am going to keep banging on about this but mythics drops should not be locked behind multiplayer parties to farm tormented bosses, especially when they are only valid one season. They need to be more achievable (not easy but achievable), especially since they only last one season. Tempering needs to be quicker and not store a roll in memory. You should be able to restore bricked tempering gear at the blacksmith for a higher price and a special material. GA's should be collectables that you can put on gear at the blacksmith for a random roll. Resetting everything every season makes every season pointless. Why grind? For what? For progress and resources to be wiped in a few weeks? They need to make the progression path easier to understand and follow for new and returning players - everything is called something stupid that has to be deciphered by a YT vid-what other game hides it's progression path behind a convoluted maze-like system?
I have had some fun in season 4 thanks to game pass and loot 2.0, but I can't think of another game that has infuriated me so much as D4.
What they need to do is just remove the mats from everyones bags when you do a boss in a group. Problem solved. Apparently that is too difficult for them to figure out though.
I agree that they should balance multiplayer and single player its basically why theyve lost me with the expansion, but imo mythics should also be much rarer the item grind is too simple,short and not satisfying compared to multiple other games in the genre
The second you said mythics should be locked behind multiplayer in a game that's played solo by 99% of the playerbase in a franchise that practically gave birth to solo self-found playstyle, you've lost any touch you've had with reality and reason. What you're advocating for isn't in the best interest of the game but your own selfish wish-fulfillment. The game absolutely needed an overhaul because nobody was bothering to level past 60 anyway so clearly it was problematic and needed reworking. The fact that you disagree with it is perfectly acceptable, everyone wants to play their own way and there is nothing inherently wrong with the way you want to play, but when you start pretending like the way you want to play is the way everyone should be forced to play, that's when I have a problem with it.
hmm i get to the point where i solo torment bosses pretty easy and get all my mythics. It means 4x the farming of matts but... its acheiveable. Tedious as fuck tho.
with mythics now having a second source of aquirement through runes, and bosses costing way less materials (and the other bosses besides andariel and duriel having the same dropchance as the old ubers), the advantage from groups is not as noticeable anymore - even in s5 it was pretty easy to aquire mythics for a solo player, especially since you already get 3 sparks through other progression - and i am talking about having 2 of them in like 10 - 20 hours playtime from lvl 0 - And even then - with the new groupfinder it is easy to group up for the 2 bosses that can be farmed in groups without adding them on the battlenet now.
Tempering gets a material that lets you reset it now. Seasons are for players that play so much, that they are bored within 3 onth and crave their progress being reset, for eternal porogress there is a whole realm where stuff is permanent. But its easy to have a more or less maxed out character in about a month, so after 6 month most players would have every class maxed and there would be nothing to do, thats why seasons exist. hope i could clear up some things
Idk you guys but I'm tired of following Blizzard's major changes in every season. I just don't have the willing to play the game anymore.
Are you depressed? 😢
That sounds like a uniquely "you" thing. The game is going through major changes that were very much needed. Don't forget D3 went through some serious growing pains when it first came out too.
Yeah, I hate it when companies listen to their player base and improve their games. Who the fuck wants that?
exactly same for me, why play, everything keeps Hugley changing hahha, gg. These guys have the worse OCD ive ever seen going public. Great vid tho keep trying
@@krakaf90 thats not my fault. Im playing the game since its announced and don’t have the energy to explore it again after they change almost everything I’ve mastered.
Blizzard is killing solo play, killing casual play fun
And if we want to play d3 like game..we play d3
Solo play is still #1 - Only Dark Citadel you are forced to play with one friend
What are you talking about? The game is and has always been solo supported. There is no content right now you can't do solo and the new stuff will be no exception.
Thats right. Look for mythic farming, its all in groups. IF you are solo, good luck to have so much m.aterials and to be so strong to killl tormented bosses without mythics. They want to pull everybody inside and than to slowly take out money form people.
@@uroskuzmanovic3317 that not true at least for season 5 - Its so easy to aquire them now, that you can solo farm them in 10 to 20 hours or so - EVERY Boss at lvl 200 has a 7 percent dropchance now, so you do not even need to do uber duriel or andariel - go helltide - open 3 chest, go to boss - 7 percent dropchance every hour at LEAST, not counting other boss materials beside steel you get in helltide (like blood from the maiden, hearts from random drops and goblins) and of course the duriel/andariel runs you also get from killing the other bosses. This can lead to as much as 21% or even more dropchance PER HOUR and thanks to the 3 free sparks, you can exchange the first mythic to the one you need the most garantueed
And 200 Bosses are the easiest they have ever been, i killed them without any mythics and masterworked gear this season with 2 different non S tier builds (blizzard and frozen orb sorc)
Thank you for the detailed overlook. D4 continues to puzzle me as a game that I play every season, but after about 20h into the season I find it lacking, most of the player base is gone after 2 weeks, max 4 weeks. Two aspects make it 'bad' for me: 1)It continues to devolve into D3 (almost endless paragon grind, glyph upgrade chance depends on levl of pit tier, making it to 60 to unlock "endgame"....), b) losing the identity of the open world exploration. The seasonal model is pushing up against the OG fantasy: using the open world to slowly level up. I will never get back that feeling of exploring the map for the first time, unlocking new areas, beating strongholds to unlock waypoints. Now everything is just rushing towards the "endgame": an endless cycle of dungeons and boss summons to get as many mythics right out the gate. Bummer.
If you play even 2-3 hours a day, then an ARPG season shouldnt last you more then 3 weeks. These games are meant for gearing up, blasting stuff, and then taking a break till next season.
Their ideas were not practical . they should of understood that theory doesnt fit with reality. Now they rework every system and they say in theory it will be better.
But they struggled to fix the game for 1 year to make it playable. Now they broke it again why?
These big changes will occur other big problems and they will start to fix them again.
I have given up on the game and Blizzard has made it made to my shit list...together with Sony Entertainment, and Ubisoft
Complexing the game even more is a sure way to destroy the game play, so biiz devs never learn?
As soon as they announced all the changes in the live stream, I knew the game would be requiring yet another years worth of fixes to get back to the fun I had in S5. I have no hope for S6-8.
omg such crybabies... go touch some grass
Think of it this way. The current system wasn't working. You may have enjoyed it but statistically most people chose not to bother leveling past 60, fight uber lilith, farm for mythics, etc, etc... And as much as I'm sure everyone wants to play the game the way they want to play it, just look at concord, you can't make a game for one person, that's not how it works. So what they're doing now is not a theoretical improvement but a proven one. The system changes they are implementing are more in line with the system Diablo 3 has now, it's a system that's been thoroughly proven to be enjoyable and acceptable for the large portion of the playerbase as it has managed to keep Diablo 3 running for over a decade.
That's something a lot of people aren't acknowledging. All the changes they've done over the past couple seasons to improve the game, as well as upcoming changes with Vessel of Hatred, it's not something new they just made up on the spot, it's an iteration of Diablo 3 system that's essentially been hard tested for ten years. This is not back to square one, this is two moves ahead.
Getting the best items on torment 1 is definitely a massive stretch considering every vid I’ve watched from people running bosses on torment 4 get almost no ancestral items at all the drop rate seems non existent
Now imagine how you are supposed to go to enchanter with so little loot dropping 😐
what was also frustrating is a lot of the loot that did drop had no ga, didn't see the point of it dropping like 5 rings all similar and no ga on any, they have to fix that it's supposed to be better quality rather than quantity
Yes, absolutely agree. Getting the best gear does mean you have to find a way to get to T4 as quickly as possible to remotely be able to get the drop rates you need.
It will take time - But it is possible :) No one is saying that T1 is where you should be - But it is where you can be
@@tasandmnm69 you do know that they can balance the amount of mats needed to enchant or the mats given by the blacksmith, right?
So much of these changes are going back to the D3 formula which is great. The shared paragon, the level 60 cap (which was what it was until they introduced the necromancer content in D3 and it went to 70), the new world tiers, etc.
its literally just diablo 3.5
season of the grind - you cant get the ancestral to beat what your trying to do.. and when you have beat the said task, then whats the point in that ancestral
not getting the ancestrals = grind with no guarantee of said item .. lets just take the fun outa the game or increase the cost of trade items for out of game real money sales.... oh wait lets just make ancestrals un-tradeale --- games are ment to be fun.
some solo players have more than one account.. so they make it where they kill your alt thats standing at the door so you grind more...
Lets kill that boss for just 3 items to drop, all trash - if your going to nerf the drop rate then give us smart loot!
They released raw shit, for a year they did basically nothing to the game and now they want me to buy dlc for a prospect of the shit becoming somewhat playable?
Nah, thanks, I'm good.
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My big concern is honestly game stability with a "raid". D4 is the least stable game I've got on my system and the only one that consistently crashes at least once per long 6+hr gaming session (and often multiple times)... Hard to be a reliable "raider" when you're crashing. It's already caused problems a few times trying to do grouped Uber bosses, and the raids will allegedly take a good bit longer. Shame as it's actually the content I'm most interested in as well.
Are you playing on PC? I have not crashed on D4 in a few seasons, the only issues I have seen are server disconnects and lag.
I haven't had crashes since like season 1. What are you playing on?
I think you should check your PC. The game is demanding and probably you're not stable. I crash perhaps once a week when alt tabbing.
Also your citadel progression has checkpoints.
The game never crashed for me. Constant crashing is likely a sign that you're over-heating or some other issues. I've had this game since day 1 and not a single hard crash.
I think that's more a your system problem I'm playing on a laptop and have no issues outside of shitty internet problems.
Each season the game changes and I like change, makes me not get bored of the game. I've always enjoyed D4. I am not one of those that will feel a pea under my mattress. Can't stand the people that say it sucks and then they play every single moment they can.
Spot on Sir! Some things are good, some are ok, some are bad, all in all it is moving forward!
People said it sucked in S1 and most of the playerbase quit. S4/5 gearing was vastly improved, and S5 is the most played season yet. What are you talking about?
Regarding your question at the end:
I think having a finite end is a great thing. Even in PoE I typically am "DONE" within 60-80 hours into a season at most, sometimes in even half that time if I get a lucky drop. Thats completing all content, 4 voidstones, various mapping strats, downed ubers, etc...
The only thing left in PoE after that 60-80 hours is to decide if I want to go for the 40/40 challenges.
So if in D4 I get the same "DONE" mark in the same 60-80 hours I think that is a massive W.
That being said, it would be nice if D4 continued to work harder to add aspirational content, and possibly find a way to make the economy more of a focal point.
There is no way you even have a good build after 60 hours in POE.
What I don't like is the difficulty progression when you have fiends or clans you can't play together anymore sadly
That is true - Ultimately everyone "should land in torment 4 thou"
It's the same concept as before thou. The way to the max dif is just a little longer.
lol NMD fun now because im forced to do them? na they are still boring sorry and what runeword is in the game all ive seen are runes.
Sir you missunderstand :) They are fun because you have a reason to murder everything instead of just running through ignoring every mob
To be fair. In ptr all the bad NMD’s seemed to be pretty quick. They seemed to have changed the routing of them and less BS. I ran every key I found instead of delete 80% of the keys and only run the good ones
I'm fine with progression if progression rewards me.
On PTR I struggled to do Pit 100, and it dropped me 5 non ancestral legendaries, 1 rare and 1 magic item.
I also spent 20 Duriel runs on T4 to get 1 ancestral unique, which was a useless XFal.
This is not fine - higher difficulty should be rewarding.
100% Agree! I hate running end game stuff and then get jack shit.
Not "Good" enough to warrant spending more money on the expansion. Fix the core game first make it fun and then start releasing expansions.
Well the core game is "fixed" and the expansion comes at the same time
It's fixed and it's fun.
Expansion is right on time, luckily for them.
Dude, when was the last time you played D4? I could guarantee you it’s probably not recent. The game is good now. Fun is very subjective as well. To me, I’m having fun with the game, and thus, not wasting my money.
Release Diablo 4 = Bad
Today Diablo 4 = Medicore
I haven’t played D4 since preseason. This video was the only one I could really find that covers the gameplay loop and you did an excellent job. Thanks!
We paid for the game 80-100 $ and now we need to pay again. Bullshit. Good stuff locked behind the paywall. I hate it.
i dont agree with how expensive the expansion is but it was the samething with D2 back in the 2000s, you payed 45 bucks for D2 base game then LoD came out and lots of content was locked behind it + if you wanted to play with your friends you had to have LoD to do so, no backwards compatibility. LoD cost 25 to get it back then.
I've spent the last week on on the PTR and I'm not impressed. season 4 and 5 made big progress in making the game fun again. So far I'm not feeling the new progression system, it seems like more than a few steps backwards. But I'm not going to make a judgement on it until it goes live and I experience it in relationship to the new content and class. One thing I will say, is I'm not enjoying them pushing the pit, I haven't liked it since it was introduced. its a poor-mans greater rift and doesn't even come close to being as fun as the D3 variant.
My main gripe is: We just leveld with the Infernal Hordes... and now its endgame again :(
Iam sad about this!
@@P4wnyhof I love the Hordes, I hate the Pit. But we now have a lot of story content coming, so I'll take my time doing that (yeah I finished every single side quest and picked up every single Lilith statue on release... so I'm one of "those" players. I'm also a min-maxer end game player who doesn't follow build guides... funny how the same blood surge build I came up by myself all of sudden was all over TH-cam lol) And yes I've mained Necro every season so far... so I've seen a lot of ups and downs so far and I'm sure I'll see quite a few more to come.
this runewords are lame, they limited the paragon boart at 5 ( the worst change ever) now u wont have anything to take with the extra 100 paragon points and all people will use same shit. i dont even want to play it anymore. it ll be shit
Bye bye lol
if i remember correctly in D2, when you got to endgame and you were farming torches and Anni's the game always had something to do because you were always farming for gg gear because it wasnt easy to farm, it could take weeks/months to get all the gg gear. In D4 u get the gg gear before u finish doing all the activities
months? Some ppl didnt get a single enigma in their whole time of playing d2 lol. But True, current itemization in d4 is a bit of a mess. I had 5 ubers 7 days into season5, pretty boring. I also think we should make a game more towards D2, but at the same time, current playerbase wouldn't be able to handle that, as in d2 rng was brutal.
Citadel is going to be something you must play if you want the exclusive cosmetics. i do believe they also mentioned they were making certain new gear (probably some of the new mythics) exclusive to the raid. but their is 100% new cosmetics that are supposed to be exclusive to the raid
Exactly this mate! Don't think the new mythics are locked but you can get the Temper Reset Powder in the Citadel most likely (as mentioned at gamescom)
@P4wnyhof yea and the temper reset scroll. I'm just specuating that it's the new mythics cause they haven't said exactly what is for sure going to be exclusive, and items were kind of an off hand part of the statement
They already stated the scroll of unbrickening isn't locked behind the Dark Citadel. They have stated this from the start.
Dont worry guys, not long till poe2 drops
This bad version of Diablo 3 already stole $60 from me. I’m not paying $40 more for them to add the D3 endgame I can already play for free with mom said we had runewords at home on top
bro the video is clearly about d4, just don't interact with d4 content if you hate it that much
@@gabreq6489 the issue is I love the Diablo series and I want to love D4 but the game sucks
Im just gonna go over to path of exile 2 if they force me to bu the expansion.
POE2 being F2P is great tbh! Don't have to buy the expansion for the Seasons thou (only for vessel exclusive content obviously)
@@P4wnyhof ok thats not so bad
I love everything i'm hearing about VoH. Look, S0 i played a druid where i ran around with 4 werewolves. It was fun. Then every other s i tried a new class, on s5 i now run around with a pack of like 8-12 werewolves due to all the new things that've come out and they're all so incredibly powerful each werewolf by itself one shots trash mobs and can take out elite packs by themselves. Even though I spend tons of time in every season I never max out, it's going to be so much more fun having to chase items due to ancestrals being rarer, all the new endgame mechanics look more fun to engage in and I can just tell the experience is gonna be 3x better than it already is and it's been GREAT since loot reborn.
Diablo 4 season 4 and 5 -D4 is really on the right track now. Diablo 4 2.0 - D4 will be extremely bad
this game is so lost
Don't worry this game is doing just fine without you, go ahead and lose yourself.
love changes ,in current season i maxed out my main char in 18 hours of play,since then i manadged to change only one item and nothing else and spent time helping other to kill lilith or farm NMD or hordes. next season gonna give much more grind and things to do and i cant wait for it.
Infinite content is an illusion. I'd rather they focus on making a content that feels really good doing once, over trying to make the impossible content that's infinitely replayable. Timesinks inevitable translate to grinds, exorbitant requirements fulfilled over and over again. Play the game, finish the game, play a different game. That should be your cycle as a gamer. I've been gaming for over 30 years now and I know full well that sensation of wanting more out of a game you really like, but with time comes the realization that you want to have that feeling, not the fulfillment of it, because reality never lives up to fantasy. It's better to like something so much that you want more, than to have so much of it that you can't stand it.
Oh iam 100% with you - But you know how people are.... they want to no life one game
@@P4wnyhof That's life. Either you have content but not the time, or you have time but not the content.
Finally be good implies something is bad, and D4 is far from a bad game.
Tired of the people that are not capable to garner their own opinions on a game and they instead choose to "ride the wave" of hate and complaining whether justified or not.
The ideas are good but it needs a lot of tuning to avoid major powercreep and to actually squish the numbers. The difficulties also are off, normal is way too easy, it should not be there and the last tier should be for the s tier builds only.
I dont know if D4 Bad but if they push that forced co-op shit to get the best reward in the game, I'm gonna be seriously pissed, they got a lot of good will with S4 and S5 but don't underestimate Blizzard to come up with a massively stupid idea that could blow everything up. Like for real, I'm having mixed feelings about this toned down stats and damage numbers, I thought everyone was pretty happy with the state of the game on that front, especially itemization we'll see...
Your damage isn't any lower in practice. it's just lower numbers displayed.
Dont agree at all, stats squish is very good for the game and no shot people were happy with the creep if they know what they are talking about.
Stay mad and quit the game please
Forced Co-Op is never fun and I do fully agree with that - Dark Citadel is at least possible with only 2 people so thats good - But boss farm straight up being better with 4 players will always be annoying
Cosmetics will be locked behind the mutiplayer. But I think it's ok, since it already is like that for PvP and nobody cares.
For someone who only plays two or three hours maximum per day, as is my case, I think it is enough, I even plan to continue playing without the expansion because I am not interested in the new class and the new endgame activities
This looks so promising, I like it a lot. I just hope that they work on the item drops, not always face tanking, and, content being too easy (that said I don’t want 10 min boss fights) I think “shelfing” a character is ok. Sometimes our attention shifts to wanting to play something different or a variation of. If there is content that is endless, I do hope that it is done right, specially for those that like to really max out their build to the best. And of corse, that’s a very minority. Not many have the patience to (eventually it will get to) kill a boss for 10 minutes when, if there even is a boss on that infinite scaling end game content, the previous dungeon already took 15 minutes to get through.
I wouldn’t mind. 5 minute boss fight but wish they would get rid of that 1 hit mechanic where u get marked 3x and die instantly
It’s a horrendous mechanic for melee builds it’s stupid
It's promising alright....promising me that I once again won't give a shit about the game that I was actually starting to enjoy in season 5....it took them 5 damn seasons to make a game I actually liked to play...now here we go again.....back to square one and waiting 2-3 seasons to start liking it again....annoying AF.
i wish they reconsidered loot how it is right now. i hate that i get legendaries dropping left and right... this should be an exiting moment not like rubbish trashing the screen, then if you dont pick it up - this trash is sent to stash....
i think aspects should drop as Aspects(not like pants or a weapon) and be more rare, get rid of legendaries from the drop pool... adjust rares accordingly and add a simple loot filter (disable normal + magic items + two stat of choice rule (maybe)).
simple crafting to drain gold + materials (make some of them drop as well for player to feel happy when it drops) - one material can be to add a stat, other can be to re-roll it, other can be to re-roll stat value range or something...
New Mercs without items is just a passive buff... that you just choose without any effort as a player. In d2 i needed to craft, grind special items (bases, runes) to make a special merc item for it to benefit my character, why not do something similar here as well?...
Tl;Dr but gear about to be a grind so I think you're gonna get what you're looking for
Have no issue with a defined "endpoint" honestly - but then again, I don't main Diablo or any other ARPG. "Endless" time-sinks ultimately bore me in the end, so having defined goals to achieve to reach an "end" work *shrug* Means I can move on to something else or another character before I burn out or lose interest.
Spot on! The main reason I do enjoy Once Human so much - Defined goals with start and endpoints
3 months per season. 100 hours to max a character. 2 hours of game time per day = 50 total days.
To a family man like myself. That is not bad at all. It’s not every day we can play and grind.
But we will have to see how it goes.
Nice assessment though. Blizzard really knows its target market.
Lvl 100 is way cooler than Lvl 60 ;((( at least I get 10 more skill points I guess. What’s the point of capping the boards at 5? And paragon points? Is it really all that bad to have it infinitely scaled with each lvl becoming harder x harder to reach, rewarding blasters? Wouldn’t shared glyph lvls make more sense than paragon points. Hit 60 on alt and fill out ALL boards, ridiculous. I don’t like the pit x NMD rewards swap, it feels kinda pointless to me just make the modes better LOL. I try to get 1 or 2 hours in everyday and sometimes I can’t, I’ll never see any mythics 😢Hopefully mercenaries x the raid go crazy tho… and rune words seem a little disappointing… ugh
Lvl 100 is not better, leveling paragons as an addition to doing activites is better. Caping paragons boards... well if You played on ptr You could see how overpower they are. People already cleared pit 100 easly and have better dps than live server despite stat squish. Not capping boards would allow You to play with your eyes closed. I think we need some limitation of what character can do because game will never be balanced and there will be no challenge no matter how many torment tiers they will add
On the PTR I built blood surge Necro t60 at 120 paragon felt nice , soul rift, blood mist golem auto and blood surge what makes it fun, standing still increasing damage standing still gains rune words with barb shout them I had using another class skill gains points points reduce C's timers, used bone golem to make minions everything was always on CD within 5 sec infinite mana and barrier
Would you want to play it ? Yes once with the already new content from Vessel of Hatred. Would i want to play this over and over again season for season if there is only a very small Seasonal Content beside else always the same Endgame Activities ? definitely not :D
Obviously the Seasons need to pop from now on and keep introducing new exciting elements!
The way y explained it it does sounds really good! However during ptr it didn't feel so good. I hope the horde will add the missing part but i have doubts.
On 1 hand i like that we now kinda forced to get new/better gear every hour or two until t4. But the grind for some good gear felt really long on ptr + the grind for the mats to masterwork + the grind for glyphs which y kinda want at least to lvl 46 but as a completionist y want lvl 100. All that grind felt long and repetitive.
I hope they let us level glyphs outside of pit and for god sake don't reduce masterworking mats on horde compared to season 5. I think lvl 12 was 4.4k mw mat 😅
I hated the new changes. Truly. I am the Vessel of Hatred. So much so, that I rage quit on day 3 because the changes were so incredibly bad. If they keep these changes, I will not be back.
I’m looking forward to the new mechanics in content, really hoping that the changes to the gearing ( specifically, tempering working and incest will drop rates ) aren’t as bad as I fear they are
Sounds insane to me hearing so many obviously negative things spun into sounding great 😅 How do you get mats for enchanting now with so little loot dropping? And what about what used to be a very achievable goal in leveling glyphs is now a never ending chore because once they hit level 90 you are gonna be grinding pits past the point of wanting to throw up. Locking things we used to have behind a huge grind doesn't equal fun.
yep unless they increase the pit levels 110+ i know it was a pita for gems in d3 getting failed upgrades is pretty frustrating
You missed my point there :) If you want to grind your soul out you do have an option to do thou
But getting your glyphs to lvl 46 and being able to beat most if not every content? That will be quite easy
Am I planning to 100 all my glyphs in Season 6? Most likely not - Since there simply ain't no reason too
Also loot is far from final - And Infernal Hordes = Tons of Mats - Don't forget that one
Here before he deletes your comment for disagreeing with him. You're supposed to ignore blatant issues and mindlessly overhype the expansion like he does.
@@RJ24247 Spoken like someone who just watched their first P4wn video 😴
@@RJ24247 I never thought he was gonna delete me as he never has in the past when I have brought up issues
I think it either gives us the choice, either pay and play or toss that hundred dollars we already invested in the game to just own the game. I'm still very new to this game, and I feel as soon as I learned season 5 they go and change it. Just my opinion
I would like to see Uniques and Mythics that drop in Torment difficulties always dropping as ancestral. When I played the PTR I had only 4 ancestral items after 5 hours. I love the loot chase, but in order to get into higher Torments, Ancestral gear is pivotal
important to know - paragon points are unlocked ACCOUNT wide for all characters!
Yes sir all characters of the respective season :)
Your eternal chars won't profit from your seasonal chars paragon level (until they go eternal themselves)
It is called "Realmwide"
Your Hardcore Chars also don't get your Softcore Chars Paragon
Wish we got actual runewords, just needed to somewhat copy the system from D2 and it would have been really cool I think
People are already complaining that all the devs did with Pit was copy D3's greater rifts ... so even if the devs copy/paste or re-imagine mechanics from previous Diablo games ... someone will always complain
@V3nomEXza I understand that, in my opinion, the runeword system from D2 worked well and had a good grind to reward rate, which would have been a rewarding implementation for D4. At the moment, the runes are just enchantments I feel like, and everyone will just run the same two runes as opposed to creating actual runewords to make cool new pieces throughout your adventure.
@@ryanpage6353oh come on. Everyone ran the exact same runewords in d2. People will ALWAYS gravitate to the best.
The best rune words in D2 are essentially the mythic items of that game. If I recall from playing the original D2, the drop rate of some of the runes was exceedingly rare. I don't know if D2R increased the drop rate for those runes.
@@Lupin788 no, they didn't (which is good).
More Endgame content from the Expansion is nice, but really I wanted more Campaign/Main Quest Line. Maybe another 5 or 6 Acts. BUT (and more importantly) it had to be more fun than D4's Main Quest Line. D4's Main Quest was too easy. My kids and I tried playing it together, but they quit half-way through, because it was no fun with it being so easy. The best fix would have been a sort of "Profane Mindcage" type of thing for the Main Quest LInes. Use it to boost the Monster levels in the Main Quest (plus the Extended Quest lines -- or maybe even ALL quest line monsters???). This could make quest lines fun again, and more rewarding since monster levels would be higher and drops would be better. And maybe even something special at the end if you beat the Boosted final boss?
I like that as a noob i can just stay on torment 1 and leave torment 4 to the rest. Yeah i get less ancestrals, but i DO get them. It‘s the difficulty slider i‘ve been waiting for since launch
Torment 4 is extremely easy tho, what are you scared of?
@@bigpopppapump Scared is the wrong word. More like "What are you annoyed about." The answer to that being the more time it takes to beat mobs. I am lazy. Like, REAL LAZY. Okay consider the laziest person you know and i swear to you i can top that. I'm really not into challenge or 20 minutes+ per bossfight, so t1 seems perfect to me. (Not saying there's anything wrong with challenges or playing on high difficulties!)
@@Jayco2855gj standing up to bullies
@@Jayco2855I like you
@@Mediumdoo Glad to hear it
soo the expansion is just for a raid, what about people who dont like to party, and getting a party is pretty hard with the lack of players on an instance server, no party search and have to use discord or something else, thats kinda lame
Go and have a read about the expansion because what you’ve said isn’t even one tenth of it. Also it will include a party finder.
In my opinion, limited paragon and limited choices, changing an incredible rune system into something boring, changing item system over and over again and making our previous chars and items legacy which means obsolete, failing to implement infinite lvling, infinite difficulty and infinite items instead turning the game into meaningless, seasonal, temporary experience make d4 bad.
The end game needs to be more in the open world rather than forcing us to play the Pit over and over and over again to lvl our gear. It needs to be boosted like they did with NM dungeons. They need more random drops so we can just play the game in different ways to keep it fresh. Honestly I couldn't even fish lvling a character this last season it was so boring. I think I will play the new character to lvl 60 and if it's still as boring of a grind I'll have to take a break for a year and then try it again. So sad because this could have been such a good game, but all the Devs seem like they're trying to make a game from the 1990's. 😈
The first character will also have the season story line to walk through which can sometimes take a while, new features means more experimenting (unless you just look up a guide and follow it) so the mercs and rune words can be fun to expriment if you are not min/maxing, and PoE 2 is out soon so I am looking for 4-5 weeks and this content should be enough :)
Went to the PTR, tried it out, decided I will be uninstalling after this season and I'll check back in a year or so.
So are you forced to do the Pit to unlock the Torment difficulties? Where does the open world/map and Helltide fit into all of this?
legit feels like its going back to diablo 3 but in a slight better way
A great summary but I would emphasis that you will need to run things in parallel after you get to lvl 60. i.e. Pits and NMD’s to be able to progress consistently and to get through to higher tier Torments which will be the goal for many.
Great video, cant wait to build this bonespirit blood wave build on live, sadly we need to play S5 for a bit still lol. We appreciate these full breakdowns but man typing while speaking is annoying, i felt myself reading as you were speaking "this.....will..... be........what.......we........do" lol
I could have writte this out before making the video
But i felt it was more engaging like this :D
Always happy about feedback!
@P4wnyhof I was able to retain more with you doing this in real time. A better approach to the death by PowerPoint way
I personally loved him typing it while watching, I feel like it's the only video I watched recently where I retained most of the information 😅 and it was engaging for me, he has a nice voice for 'teaching' as well, not monotonous. This was by far the most clear and concise D4 video I've possibly ever seen, definitely recently
My simple take is this. S6 PTR is like 10x worse then S5. S5 was my favorite season yet, and PTR has killed what hype I had for Oct. I cant see myself playing the next season if progression is going to go from fun to a boring grind.
I'm pretty sure D2 locked a few things behind it's expansion.
It's not a big deal. People invested in the game will always buy the expansion. People who weren't wouldn't either way.
And the most important, people who were hesitating will sk they get the new toys.
There was no reason not to lock anything to the expansion business wise.
Their main philosophy behind every idea is to take into account casual players. With every thing they do they keep getting so much backlash. Hint hint? They are not catering to the players who made it possible to even have a spot in this genre. D3 was made because D2 players for 10+ years have been saying make another Diablo game. They did and lost all hope with D3 when it came to making an innovation of D2. D4 same thing. Is the game successful I’m sure it is but it’s not what any of us assumed would be the direction of this franchise.
Dude, the majority of the D2 playerbase isnt playing games anymore. Most of those people are 40 plus years old with families. Its 2024, and you need to cater to a 2024 playerbase. People do not want grindy games now. Facts are facts.
The only reason so many folks even bought d3 is because everyone had been waiting so long to get the next Diablo 2. Blizzard just piggybacked off of d2's name and reputation to get people to buy it, kinda like they did with d4. People bought into it and were massively disappointed. That's cool though, nothing can be done about it now. However, blizz knows what's up when poe2 releases. That's why they are trying to rush out half assed content. They are just trying to get everyone's money before poe2 hits, and they know it. This game feels like a cheap mobile game.
@@TheNichq D4 is more grindy especially with the changes then d2. Your missing the entire point.
@@dcepshn D4 is more grindy than D2? It's a joke right? Compared to getting enigma in d2 everything in d4 looks piss easy to get rofl
@@Rodakowsky_ it doesn’t take that long to get enigma. Either u know how to trade or u don’t. But grinding for materials in D4 to masterwork and hit your triple proc over and over, finding your triple or quad GA Items, tempering and not bricking or if U do farm for that new thing to reset tempers and hope to not brick again. Grinding to paragon 300 in pits. Leveling all 5 glyphs to 100. I think you don’t realize the grind. Oh and theres more as well but that’s more than enough to be grindy as fuck. U get it now or still delusional about it?
I was playing the ptr and when I went back to D4, I was losing money on deaths because the mobs were to hard to kill and it wasn't like this before I stopped playing d4 & went to the ptr.
d4 is the best thing that could have been for yt video creators, there is more interest in videos about d4 than the game itself XD
i really wish they didnt do an open world style.. they cld hv easliy done the same quest idea of d3, making the dungeons randomly generate like D2, with a bunch of areas, but hving everything scale to u sux.. D2 has the perfect difficulty.. challenging from start to finnish even on normal.. i hv conpletely stomped the main campaign with mulitple characters in D4.. didnt even look at health the whole time.. just unfulfilling overall.. im curious if they fix this with dlc...
I have been playing Path of Exile for years. If we are to criticize the game without comparing, the game lacks depth and every new addition feels superficial. First the game should focus on adding depth, and then they can work on seasonal updates. This is definitely the biggest problem with this game. it is not deep enough and can't catch the soul. A hint: The builds are predictable from the beginning to the end. It's really funny. They need to start incorporating possibilities that can add surprising variety to each build. Everyone who plays the same build follows the same path. This is too simple.
Why are there so many people that think change is bad? I Want change is a seasonal game like diablo. Even if some changes don't work 100% as intended, I prefer suboptimal change to no change to keep things fresh.
I really dont understand how blizzard seems to take 1 step forward and 3 steps back. They need a solid resource sink and a larger overarching goal. You have no reason to grind. you have 100 000s of resources for literally no reason. And after about a week of playing, the season is basically over. Now their just making it easier to have multiple characters, but still no reason to grind. Making the pit the main attraction was a poor choice. The leveling to 300 is just a rip from d3, and as we see this season, all our gear is garbage at the end. Im literally looking for any reason to play, but their not giving us one. Also, those are not rune words. There are no community goals, like why aren't we as a community fixing a city or defending the cities and having to fix them up, the over world is basically pointless at this point because you just teleport everywhere, use a key instant to dungeon every time. No clan things going on,
I could go on forever about this end game thing lots of ideas, and no one to tell them too😂
My biggest disapointment is what they did with the rune "words". Spent more than a year on "refining" the system, and its the exact same system they already had at release but decided to not ship with because people hated it.
Challenges and testing your skills is good. But to basically make everything in the game "testing your skill" content seems very narrow in scope. It will be great for people that love the same thing over and over. But if you're looking for some sort of fantasy escape, expanding narrative, something story-esque, then it's very lacking.
I don't mean to say I want an extra 100-200 hours of story stuff. What's really needed is the reinforcement in game that I'm progressing and that the world environment seems to acknowledge that growth. I think if you get to T4, beat all the content you mentioned, the game world should evolve to acknowledge the achievement. Over world monsters flee from you as you ride. Towns folk whisper about it. They acknowledge the power.
I think it's why I liked Strongholds so much. It's the rare occurrence where completing something actually changes the world environment. Stuff like that in game, to show that the world is also reflecting our time investment would make the whole thing feel worth it.
The most complete S6 video AND FINALLY someone speak about the luck of LADDER !!!
WE WANT LADDER LIKE GR D3. AT the end of all this grind why to grind so hard? to go do pit 100 and happily clap my hands?
I like some of the changes and some im like why? But remember, people didnt like infernal hordes on ptr so they really jazzed it up. Im hoping to be pleasantly surprised again.
They need a long term eternal game, stuff all this restarting every few months, wasted one year and no real character progression just gold and transmogs. Where is the incentive for a long term player? This is a seasonal game where your character is obsolete every few months cause they launched a game with nothing to do after campaign so you gotta play seasons for a difference and now we have to put up with hem fixing it as we play. WHERE IS THE LONG TERM PROGRESSION? what’s the point in playing for a few months only to restart? that’s ok for some players but many players want a long term project to come back to and work on a long term character, to feel their time is invested and rewarded and built upon over years, to feel like your time in the game is rewarded, not all your work put into legacy and left with a “shell” character
Im excited. I didnt get a chance to play the PTR because I was busy but it looks like alot of fun!
Good roundup. And pretty much the main reason I decided to not buy the expansion and have uninstalled D4. Too many things there that I do not like for myself and thankfully - I'm not a slave to one game and have plenty of great games to enjoy in the coming weeks and months. Overall - this expansion gets a fail from me cause we are quite frankly at the same spot we were on D4 launch. Arrogant D4 developers that think they know what the game needs. This is exactly why Diablo 4 got the "bad" label in the first place. And why the game needed TOTAL rework in the last year to get to better state.
I took a short time to check the trends on Goggle between this expansion and POE 2. The results should be a major worry for Blizzard. But also explains why many of the Diablo 4 partners are trying to create a "hype" around lackluster content that ends up with more bloating dmg number than ever. Even before the squish pushed upon Eternal realm players to make sure they never play there again.
So basically - For me this expansion confirms the game is still BAD and I will not be taking part in the paywall or playing it in coming seasons. Wish everyone the best and hope some of you find enjoyment from the game. I will definitely find it elsewhere.
This is what I like to see - You don't like it? Thats fine and you moved on because of it! Adult reaction
I dipped out of this game 2 weeks after launch. I got back in this week for season 5 and wanted see how it was going since I still have that d2-3 love. I was planning on playing season 6 to consider an expansion. I don’t want to be duped into a bad game again after like I was at launch. Now that you say things can be locked behind the expansion, I’m out again. I don’t trust blizzard at this point. Since they broke the trust, they should have let me try it out.
I’m looking forward to all the bugs that come with the VoH content. Will buy VoH when it’s on sale and showing continued improvement for season 7+
This is a reasonable adult response - Yes bugs will be there and if you want to wait thats perfectly fine!
Errm the Merc reinforcement boost is in solo mode as well as group.
Second the undercity is all stages of the game content based on what we been told not just post 60.
There will also be the season mechanic and I would assume new bosses from expansion.
Yes you are correct!
Im sorry my guy you need to do a different game ever since I've seen people getting on you about don't be this guy you've tossed me as a viewer
Mate get a grip on reality and stop believing all the lies other people are spreading :)
Good riddance!
50/2 and 100/2 .... on calculator? Okay... I'm not making fun or anything... but I kind of am... theres probably some first graders looking at you like.. dafuq dude???? and they don't even know division yet.. at this point I'm definitely making fun...
Sir seek help :) Its for visualisation reasons
These clowns are still throwing darts at the dart board hoping something will stick and still basically refuse to make a game people WANT to play. I was quite frankly rather pissed that they ONCE AGAIN are gutting the whole mechanic and gear setup. I was really enjoying myself in season 5 and was hoping that was the stepping stone for moving into the expansion. NOPE. Very annoyed.
Leveling is more like D3 now, which it should have been from day 1. Ancestral+ drops are appalling, they need to buff the drop rate of these, bosses should drop ancestral and higher items only, including Pit bosses. They also really need to remove the Dark Citadel Co-Op play only, this is my BIGGEST issue with buying Vessel Of Hatred, I did not buy it to be forced to play Co-Op in game, and I guarantee they make completing The Dark Citadel and requirement for completing the season.
The Gauntlet is 100% waste of time. It's for the ultra blasters with 12+ hours play time daily PLUS RTM for the 4 GA gears. That's why they're all "private" profiles. 😅😅😅😅
The Private profiles are the biggest joke in leaderboard :D
@@P4wnyhof Right? If someone has MULTIPLE 4 GA gears you know 100% that's RMT. That's WHY they're too sacred to make it public. Yea, you basically PAID TO WIN. LMAO. Real skillz.
I just hope they don't change too much and lose the identity
I play Eternal. If they nerf all my gear, AGAIN, I'm out. I can't and won't play a game that does that. There is no reason at all to punish us for any reason.
Good video for me I have to play the new season and expansion when it's live to find out if it's good or bad the PTR is just testing new systems (breaking the game) it will be different on launch I can't make a decision based on PTR hopefully they make somethings harder though
Maybe the changes will be better but I can't get over the feeling that they are just saying "Thanks for spending your money and wasting your time for the last year and a half". We played for a year and they said here is gear 2.0 and everything you've done is wasted. Now six months later they are going here is gear 3.0 and everything you've done is wasted. All you time, materials for rerolling stats, tempering and master working is all wasted because it is now useless. Right now I have no desire to play because everything I'm doing is going to be useless in less that 30 days.
I understand for eternal players it's pain
@@P4wnyhof I play seasonal also and have started a new class every season returning to my favorite the Necro this season. But returning to the Necro has made me realize just how unloved eternal players are. Why is it that my seasonal necro always logs in with his skeletons but my eternal necro always has to go out and kill mobs to resummon her skeletons? Why do none of the sites have builds for eternal realm players? I'll probably pull the trigger and buy the DLC but I really don't want to right now.
Most likely I’ll play it all. The citadel still scares me a little bit as a solo player. I’m not sure how much I like the changes but I don’t mind them either. Will take some time to learn all the new tricks though. I’ll most likely level up like 5ish new characters during the season…
I guess im done with D4. Remember the times, when Blizzard had a vision and that vision determined their games. D4 was released at least 1 year to early. After getting critizised by the community, the develeopers left their plans with the game alone and managed to program some featured wished by the community. At the end, D4 doesnt look like lovely designed game, it is more like LEGO: a little bit from this, a little bit from that, but none of the components does fit to each other. Yikes!
I hope to say 100% D4: GOOD but I can't and Blizzard won't let me. It seems like EVERYTIME they move 2 steps forward, they move another one step or even two steps back. What's even crazier is that I could say POE2 GOOD 100% without having played or even touched that game. They're unbelievably transparent with game development progress and they ACTUALLY use players' feedback. As for Blizzard, they only make changed because of _OVERWHELMING_ complaints - not because of our feedback. That's all PR talk. Don't be fooled for a second.
What if PoE2 releases and it's mediocre? Lol
I like everything the expansion offers except for the forced grouping for Dark Citadel. Diablo for the past 20 + years has been a game where you could do all content solo or group if you so chose. Taking that choice away from the large majority that plays solo is not good. It is also locking content out from people who paid for it, again not a good change.
I don’t want to judge until i actually play the new system. However, based on the recent content by influencers, it seems like they nerf’d the middle game to make the end game seem more expanded.
That’s because influencers kept making videos complaining about the end game.
I feel like they keep trying to re-make the game every few months and they don't build on anything they have in place. I felt Season 5 was in pretty good place so they could have just worked on some other stuff but noooo they have to take it all apart and start from scratch.
I hate the fact that the RAID (in general why do have a raid in the first place?)... is a must GROUP with other players. I hate people, I hate them on the street, in their cars when I drive to work, and at work, in the supermarket, and now I have to also deal with them in games. I hate people, yes I am uber anti-social and toxic.