CONTEXT: for anyone commenting that this journalist is being "insensitive," please understand that these two were NOT like the other survivors. They were very high up in Jones' inner circle. They knew the plan, they had guns and money on the day. According to literally every other survivor, they misrepresent their involvement and could have stopped this. While it may be true that they regretted their involvement after the fact, they were still abusive towards other survivors and complicit in the massacre. This journalist knows all that and is trying to catch themin a lie here. This was two wks after the massacre and people needed answers, so this journo was brave enough to push these two hard, despite the fact that they were still very dangerous people.
Thanks for the clarification-- as soon as he said "I was sent to the other side of the camp, I don't know why I was chosen" I remembered the Wikipedia article, and that a handful of people that Jim wanted to live(like his own son) were CONVENIENTLY sent away JUST. IN. TIME. I don't have enough middle fingers for these two hucksters.
The people that played a part in the murders should be called to answer, but I don't agree that it was the job of the "jurno" to catch anyone in a lie. Ask questions that viewers want to know answers to and let them draw their own conclusions without pushing a narrative, and being to abrasive, because if the interviewer takes a confrontational and/or condescending tone, then the interview can tank and lead to unintended sympathy for the interviewee. IMO
Wrong. Read a book. You're repeating the same gossip and shoddy reporting from the 70s. They were not high up, whatever that means, you're dead wrong. Jones trusted nobody. These guys had were stuck in that country with nowhere and no way to go. They were certainly traumatized after the event, this is DAYS later after the press harassed the shit out of them for days. There's video of these same guys leaving Jones town TOTALLY freaked out. These reporters DID harass the shit out of them. You're wrong and repeating the lies you believed 40 years ago
If you search them on TH-cam and watch some later interview it’s very clear they are not telling the whole story here. I’m surprised no one was arrested after the massacre honestly.
When this reporter is asking these men if their wives murdered their children, I just couldn’t believe how calm and put together they are. And the younger one, (who is only 20!) Was with Peoples Temple for 5 years. Thats a lot of years of brainwashing. This is just weeks after the suicide. It takes so much time to deprogram after leaving a cult. I hope these men got the help they needed.
If you watch a lot of interviews and candid film from the 90s and earlier, people are calm like this most of the time. It’s only in more recent history have people gotten so animated and irritable and such, like peoples tones have really changed. It’s quite remarkable. But their calm tones are quite typical of most people up until the internet age.
I don’t even think it was weeks after but rather only a few days. One of them was asked something along the lines of, “Do you believe that Jim Jones was a God?”, and he responded something like, “Well, up until Saturday I did, but not anymore.”, which leads me to believe this was either the following week or merely days after the devastating event…
This style of interview is indictative of the 1970s. Reporters were hardhitting questioners there to get answers. It can not be compared to today. The survivors just experienced a horrifying event. They are responding in a traumatized state. Thank you for posting. May the souls who perished rest in peace 💜
A fascinating interview. Yes, the journalist is confrontational and intrusive. But he is pulling very colorful narratives from these two guys. The friction is so much more interesting than today’s polished talking heads who really don’t say anything. Thanks for sharing this!
At about 41:15 Tim makes no sense when he says the kids were told to pretend to scream and cry in otder to scare the other kids. That's ridiculous. The kids really screamed because they were being abused. His brother admits it even. These brothers got off on being in positions of power, they weren't naive innocents. THEY were probably the hit squad, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Then they deflected......
Fascinating interviews thank you. It's impossible to understand the mental state of people who have been brainwashed and then traumatised by witnessing such an atrocity
@@gillpelage Excatally. The rapist was president in 2020 and the beginning of 2021 then tried to have the results of the election thrown out. A dark time not unlike Guyana. If only all those traitors Jan 6th drank the kool aid we would be much better off today. Just like the 71 million will hopefully during this 4 year AmeriGuyana.
Those guys don't seem that traumatized. The journalist is right to ask those questions. Their wives and children are dead and the men seem pretty calm and rational in their answers. Bizar. They don't seem confused.
@@jessicafiles2386 From what I have read Jones sent some of his higher ups in his circle away from the mass suicide along with his son. These two were probably in that circle.
One of them even yawned whilst answering a question and the he is smoking casually like he’s chatting about sports scores. For two grieving men it’s a little off.
i think he knows more then he is saying and i get the feeling he is happy he is single and there is no wife and kid ... both of these men know more than they are saying ...
They're smiling two days after the older brother witnessed his wife die in his arms (?) They were allowed to leave with a suitcase of money, armed with two guns. I don't find their testimony credible. They say the 'security guys' weren't there, they were armed and ran with the money. Too weird.
I honestly believe that these 2 were apart of Jim Jones inner circle. Otherwise why would the other ppl say that and be so afraid of them. This is also probably the reason why they had the guns and money. Definitely gave them the 😒
Birds of a feather flock together. These two witnessed alot of sketchy crap before the murder of they're wifes and children yet still chose to be part of this cult. They're hands are not clean
The issue I have with this man is that he knew jim jones was a lewd perverted asshole when he propositioned him at the church about a sexual act, then this man here STILL followed him to Guyana! I cannot figure that out!!!
He followed Jim because he was a part of the scam. There are interviews of the higher ups of Jones town including his own sons admitting they knew it was all a lie. They would bring ppl from the crowds onto the stage and fake heal them as if it was a miracle. In reality they faked the illness to grow the temple. Those guys got away because it was designed that way
Folks, keep in mind that children were killed in mass here, who gives AF how rude the interviewer was to the these Chester’s who can’t help but smile throughout the interview.
" I didn't buy the things Jim Jones was preaching"......."I was brainwashed by his teachings"..... " The kids were acting when they were screaming to scare the other kids".... "I believe everyone disciplines their children"..... Tf, like which is it!?? They cant even keep their lies straight 🤦🏻♀️
I read that he was part of the inner circle, and that he had sexual relations with Jim Johns. I think it’s this is the guy that it was pertaining to. Is his name Tim Carter? Well, I think he was in the inner circle. That must’ve made him feel like he had some power. But as far as what he saying, at the beginning of the interview that he didn’t have anything constructive to do in his life Well, everyone needs a purpose outside of themselves
Somebody needs to restore and preserve the footage related to Jump Jones and The People's Temple !! We must continue to teach newer Generations what can happen when you fall Victim to a Cult. We must never forget that nearly One Thousand People were Murdered.
Most of the adults willingly drank the Kool Aid. They shouted down the only woman who was against the mass suicide. Completely brainwashed zealots. Listen to the recording of the event … 😵
there wasn't much investigation after the awful events of jonestown. I think everyone was so horrified they just wanted to shut the door on it. Some of the survivors seem suspicious, but as long as they didn't hurt anyone else since then it's alright I guess. idk. still doesn't sit well. Wild turn of events. The fact that the whole suicide event was taped and you can listen to it is freaking crazy.
From my own research, Jim Jones was practically raised in the KKK and he set up a phony rest home in Ukiah, CA., he then moved to San Francisco and claimed more followers through the court system receiving women and children as wards of the court. Then Jones moved them to Guyana to Matthew's Ridge, (Jonestown). The whites were allowed to come and go in and out of the camp anytime they wanted, while the blacks were held captive inside the camp. Jones followers were murdered after Congressman Leo Ryan paid the camp a visit and threatened to expose Jones for trying to operate a U.S. intelligence agency-funded mind-controlled slave labor camp which is what Jonestown really was. Jones himself was killed before it even happened. The victims were either murdered by some type of rushed poison injection in the back(evident by all the bent needles found all around the camp) below their shoulder blades, shot, stabbed, or strangled. Those people never took any cyanide and the pathology reports, issued by Dr. Cyril L. Mootoo, never supported it. Who murdered them?...The C.I.A.-trained Guyanese police forces, trained by Dan Mitrione, a close friend of Jones who was a U.S. government official in Latin America who trained local police in the use of torture along with British Black Watch troops, around 200 of them, who were waiting in the woods with serrated knives to kill the ones that tried to escape. The U.S. Army reported a series of lies of how they 'died' which took six days. Why did it take six days? That's how long it took to drag all the bodies, around 900 people, into position and lay them face-down in neat rows. Leo Ryan was gunned down at the Kaituma Airport strip by mind-controlled Guyanese defense forces, trained by Dan Mitrione. Mitrione was eventually killed by defense forces in Paraguay. This is the real version of the events that you'll never hear.
I don’t know… this guy doesn’t seem credible. He’s incredibly calm after witnessing his wife and young child murdered just 2 weeks prior. Something about him is just off. Maybe trying to hide his real involvement in the massacre.
TL;DR: "I was brainwashed every time I was complicit in the bad things, but I knew it was wrong the whole time, so you shouldn't hold us accountable now. We're just really fortunate victims!"
These guys were smart enough not to be brainwashed by Jim Jones but did everything they could to survive once they knew they were in a bad situation including the surrender of their families to the mass suicide. Their actions were dictated by fear and they were complete cowards. I have no issue with the way the interviewer treated them.
If you know the story these guys were on the inside. They deny it obviously but why were they given guns and the cash to take to the embassy. I call BS
Being stopped before the suicide meeting, given guns and charge of a huge amount of money, plus an excuse to leave the premises, AND both of their rather flippant attitudes...certainly does rather give one pause.
These two are trying to sound as if they were lucky they escaped. These guys weren't given weapons and a suitcase full of money on a whim. They were high up in the inner circle and the 20 other escaped people knew it, that's why they feared them. I believe a lot of them were lead to stand in line by force from security and those two were on the security squad. They smiled too much with a jovial demeanor and weren't traumatized at all. They had two weeks to cook up a wholesome story, but they were dirty
I don't buy that they did not know what was initially in the suitcase. I think they were both higher ups in Jones' inner circle, were both given orders to transport the money, Tim was allowed to bid his wife and son goodbye and then carried out his orders. Tim seems to help the other answer when he is being questioned about there departure in a way it seems to keep there story straight. Also I don't buy the child abuse statement that Tim used in that he thought it was staged for effect like it supposedly was in San Francisco. Notice he bows his head for quite a bit when that comes up, and then tries covering defensively. Plus the fact that the other survivors were scared of these guys when they saw them after they got away. He, to me, was a higher up and stood true to all this to the end. I hope I'm wrong, its just a gut feeling I'm getting from this interview.
These are essential questions that needed to be asked. The reporter did a good job. The man with the glasses explains how everyone knew that Jim Jones didn't believe in God and that anyone who attended a service at least once would have known that. If you look into the life of Jim Jones you'll see that in 1965 he rejected the idea of a God, fast forward to 1978 thirteen years removed from the denouncement this happens.
It's interesting to see in action the lingering effects of the mind control that these men underwent and the mental contortions they go through to justify, deny, and explain away the unjustifiable brutality that slowly, over time, they and their family submitted to.
Tim Carver is a real slime. He did tons of Jones’ dirty work and yet he turns up on every Jonestown documentary claiming he was just trying to “help” people.
It’s crazy, and I find it interesting how devastating these events are at the time, and then they seem to be forgotten about and not learned from. We will see this happen again I’m certain, so many people feel a lack of purpose and lack of belonging these days. The psychological principle of group think is a very powerful thing, and it is rampant these days.
I would argue there are probably less charismatic leaders than they used to be, but there are less charismatic people in society. That’s not my point however; the point is disenfranchisement and the feeling of not belonging seems to be greater than it has been during my lifetime. I was born in the early 80s though, so my knowledge doesn’t extend back like that of some others, but it seems separation within society is simply huge, which opens the door for the follow me syndrome.
@keter1234 THEY WERE ACCESSORIES TO THOSE MURDERS. My god, Google these guys. They were extremely close to Jim Jones and they are lying their pants off here.
@ It’s not about ME smh. First of all it’s a journalists job to be objective. Second of all none of these men decided or carried out the murder of those brainwashed people. And if they had enough intelligence to gtfo and save themselves then why would anyone be mad at them??
@mistifeyed these two men were very close to Jones and were absolutely complicit in the massacre. They are NOT like the other survivors. And this journo did his homework and knew they were misrepresenting their involvement here.
Didn't Tim leave his son behind when he left to deposit cash etc at the Russian embassy? He claimed to have dumped the cash in the jungle.Was it ever found?👍🇮🇪🇷🇺
So according to Tim: when jones called the meeting in the pavilion after Leo Ryan left the cyanide mixture was being made… Maria katsaris saw Tim standing there with his wife and son and said hey Tim I have something for you to do… while he was talking to her the cyanide was beginning to be dished out… when he turned back around he saw one of the nurses putting poison down his son’s throat while his wife was being injected… that’s when he broke down and then left with his brother and Mike prokes… now 2 weeks before this he flew to San Francisco to look for Terri Buford (she left before the congressman’s visit) and to see what the concerned relatives were doing… and if you watch the nbc footage you see him in the background in a lot of scenes(he’s wearing a green striped shirt)… he’s even seen walking with Leo Ryan to the truck with the lawyers after he was attacked with a knife… so the man had some rank… he just never speaks on it… and yes the money was recovered by the Guyanese military…
@@amandadavis4446 I've noticed a lot of discrepancies with Tim's story. Especially after seeing many interviews with him throughout the years. I think he's shady.
@HandbagDiva I absolutely would, they're recruiting like crazy and youtube is their favourite tool. Leading the vulnerable with promises that can never be fulfilled. Very sad. Westborough baptist Church ring a bell? Religion is mankind's oldest delusion and it's time we start calling this nonsense out without fear of censure.
I can't believe the insensitivity of the comments myself. If you were not there and you didn't lose anyone then it's really easy after the fact to pass judgement like this.
They didn't "escape." They were in on it and were allowed to get out. That's why the other survivors hated them, and why the journalist is being so hard on them. These guys are lying.
Such a tragic incident in recent history. Watching these interviews makes me so sad. I'm sure that interviews like these are approached a little differently now as we understand the psychology of cults so much better. I hope that these survivors found some healing and peace in their lives.
That is one of the reasons why this situation was so tragic. You're not going to find anyone from the this day and age who gives a crap about wanting to do something worth while with their lives or who cares about the fact that they are just wondering around society with their faces in their cell phones from the time they wake up to the time they go to sleep.
You say from your cellphone while not giving a crap about anything because clearly if you volunteered anywhere you'd know that there are still plenty if people that are the helpers of society. You just self snitched. Now go volunteer sonewhere.
See's wife die, still pisses off with the suitcase. Yep, sounds right. Dude's complicit up to his guts. 33mins, watch him coaching his brother on the story. That whole escape spiel is BS. The young one still believes.
First rule of good journalism: alienate the person you're interviewing and judge them as harshly as possible in the most asshole tone that you can muster. 100% condescending and ridicule. He's judging them not interviewing.
First rule of being a good human: Don't join a horrific abusive cult and be complicit in the massacre of 900 people. Second rule of humanity: if you're a journalist who has a chance to interview high ranking members of that cult 2 weeks after a mass murder, BE HARD IN THEM AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
@coffeegator6033 THEY HAD GUNS. Listen to the interview. They could have saved people and they chose to run. These guys were also very high up and very close to Jones. AND THEY HAD GUNS.
Journalist did a fantastic job. You sickos in the comments are defending these two horrible men (who were high up in the organization and who gave VERY disturbing answers here). My god, what is wrong with you.
@@ardalire651agreed. These two did some things there and tried to take off with money then have this cold as ice story telling about their families being murdered.
I hope this man’s relationship with his dad bettered. Also am a little convinced these 3 were the inner group (fleeing with a suitcase of money, guns, 20 other witnesses from jonesstown but ive no idea tho) but either way they were victimized
They were effectively complicit in the murder of 900 people! Both these men had special status with Jones and were very unpopular among the members of the compound. If either man had doubts about Jones he could have done something much sooner. Like all cult members both men were arrogant and thought he deserved to be in a "special" group regardless of how it affected others. The interviewer is right to push back on them.
There were also ongoing abuses and terrible conditions at Jonestown for years, which they turned a blind eye to. People who fall for cult b.s. deserve to be called out on their role in it.
He's a great interviewer. He is trying to unwind their beliefs and motivations by asking them questions. This is his job, he's not a therapist or a cop.
these two don’t seem to be victims. victims don’t run off with a suitcase filled with of money. and their calm attitude while talking about the muder of their children and wives. he’s almost smirking and smoking a cigarette
@ seriously, they were children under jim jones, no one is asking them what kind of abuse they suffered. They wanted to escapee committing suicide… they were not all in on the death cult, and they didn’t cause any deaths… the cult leader and his believers did.
I saw a video recently on TH-cam, and this guy (the older one) was one of the shooters!!!!!!! possibly the younger brother, too!!!!!!! AND…. what happened to the money!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Imagine witnessing horrific child abuse for years and doing nothing, then when your own family is murdered and YOU HAVE A GUN just running into the woods like a little b*tch and pretending you weren't complicit in these murders. The other survivors hated these 2 men for good reason.
This "dumbass" interviewer knows these two are hiding something. He's not pestering them, he's trying to catch them in a lie. These two men were very close to Jim Jones and knew what was going to happen. They had a chance to stop this and they didn't, which is why the other survivors were so afraid of them and didn't trust them. The journalist is doing a great job here, trying to catch them. They gave multiple interviews with different answers to a lot of his questions.
@@radrew684 He's going to keep asking the same question until these two stop lying and admit they were in on it with Jim Jones. That's what the other survivors all said about them.
Their children died. People of that era didn’t love their kids like people today do. They seem very unemotional about their kids death. It looks weird. They don’t seem bothered.
@monybony8807 These two are lying and they were in on it. Very close to Jones. That's why the journo keeps asking them the same questions-- he's trying to catch them lying.
They weren't traumatized, they were in on the plans. The journalist knows this because he did his homework and talked to other survivors, who didn't trust these two. The Carter brothers were VERY close to Jim Jones.
The story doesn't add up,I don't believe for one minute that he was allowed to leave, he and his friend probably knew what was going to happen and decided to get away with cash ,THEY Were doing the cash out thing
Gosh! Can you believe that one guy went through Vietnam and THEN Jonestown where he saw his wife and child destroyed. My God. How can you walk through such trauma? Here’s an earned 💜 for him!!!
It is interesting to talk to a survivor but the interviewer is horrible. I cannot make it through it. His questions are badly worded, he changes the meaning of answers, he ask questions they could not know the answers to etc. Also, could they possibly film this in a louder location? I understand sound quality was worse back then but how about sitting inside a building in a quiet area? Sorry, I would love to hear what these two guys have to say but the interviewer is terrible and it is so loud and distracting I cannot finish the video.
These boys lost their mother at 15 and an absent father. They were seeking family. This man is truamattized and grieving.He lost his wife and son. Drugs! They had elderly people there as well.
Didn’t any of those people not have any intuition at all? He was showing paranoia long before he moved them to Guyana 🇬🇾 Beyond that everyone should know that anyone trying to start their own religion is going to be a cult leader.
Oh my goodness, what is wrong with this reporter 24:26 , how many times can he ask these people, who would be going through such trauma, wow 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤷♀️ dude, wtaf....😳😣🥺. These poor people 😑😔❤️🩹.
They were Jim Jones's handpicked "helpers" and were 100% shady and in on the massacre. They're both lying to save their asses, and the reporter knows it.
this episode shows how easily a certain percentage of the population can fall prey to megalomaniac narcissists telling them what they want to hear and manipulating them for their own selfish motives.
Wow. I was really interested in what the survivors were saying but that intervening hammering at them over and over , especially about the deaths of their children, was outright abusive, and these are traumatized men. I don’t regret watching the interview at all and feel at least semi- confident that interviewer behavior like that wouldn’t be tolerated today.
Omg I'm so tired of comments like this. THESE GUYS WERE IN ON IT. All the other survivors said so. This journalist is trying to catch them in a lie. They were extremely close to Jim Jones and were part of the plans for that day.
@ I actually now change my position and I agree with you. I was only just delving into the real story of what happened at Jonestown and I didn’t fully understand the dynamics. I’m sure there’s more to learn but I have become better informed. I wonder how often it happens on social media of any kind where anyone ever says “I was mistaken” or god forbid wrong. But you’re right and I just wasn’t familiar enough. The older appearing guy who smoked cigarettes had very antisocial personality disorder vibe and demeanor . And their story was ridiculous.
@Paige-hh2zp that's great!! Thanks for being so willing to learn more. Sorry if I was rude but I've had so many replies that were crazy, so I came in kinda hot. Anyway it's a fascinating story; hope you are able to become as obsessed with it all as I am!!! 😊
People were harder back then. Insensitive reporter questions and a calm guy that saw his wife and kid die two weeks ago. What people consider trauma these days could be someone bringing peanut butter around their peanut allergy kid.
CONTEXT: for anyone commenting that this journalist is being "insensitive," please understand that these two were NOT like the other survivors. They were very high up in Jones' inner circle. They knew the plan, they had guns and money on the day. According to literally every other survivor, they misrepresent their involvement and could have stopped this. While it may be true that they regretted their involvement after the fact, they were still abusive towards other survivors and complicit in the massacre. This journalist knows all that and is trying to catch themin a lie here. This was two wks after the massacre and people needed answers, so this journo was brave enough to push these two hard, despite the fact that they were still very dangerous people.
Thanks for the clarification-- as soon as he said "I was sent to the other side of the camp, I don't know why I was chosen" I remembered the Wikipedia article, and that a handful of people that Jim wanted to live(like his own son) were CONVENIENTLY sent away JUST. IN. TIME. I don't have enough middle fingers for these two hucksters.
@@bathtub_marmot Yep, same!!!
The people that played a part in the murders should be called to answer, but I don't agree that it was the job of the "jurno" to catch anyone in a lie. Ask questions that viewers want to know answers to and let them draw their own conclusions without pushing a narrative, and being to abrasive, because if the interviewer takes a confrontational and/or condescending tone, then the interview can tank and lead to unintended sympathy for the interviewee. IMO
Wrong. Read a book. You're repeating the same gossip and shoddy reporting from the 70s.
They were not high up, whatever that means, you're dead wrong. Jones trusted nobody. These guys had were stuck in that country with nowhere and no way to go. They were certainly traumatized after the event, this is DAYS later after the press harassed the shit out of them for days. There's video of these same guys leaving Jones town TOTALLY freaked out. These reporters DID harass the shit out of them. You're wrong and repeating the lies you believed 40 years ago
If you search them on TH-cam and watch some later interview it’s very clear they are not telling the whole story here. I’m surprised no one was arrested after the massacre honestly.
Interviewer asking the right questions. Your feelings should never hide facts
This was back when investigative journalists asked the hard questions and didn’t pretend to care about what kind of underwear they had on.
When this reporter is asking these men if their wives murdered their children, I just couldn’t believe how calm and put together they are. And the younger one, (who is only 20!) Was with Peoples Temple for 5 years. Thats a lot of years of brainwashing. This is just weeks after the suicide. It takes so much time to deprogram after leaving a cult. I hope these men got the help they needed.
Makes me suspicious considering they were left with guns and enough money to be tired of carrying it.
If you watch a lot of interviews and candid film from the 90s and earlier, people are calm like this most of the time. It’s only in more recent history have people gotten so animated and irritable and such, like peoples tones have really changed. It’s quite remarkable. But their calm tones are quite typical of most people up until the internet age.
@@Goldenretriever-k8m Social media has destroyed people’s minds as much as Jim Jones destroyed Peoples Temple cultists …
I don’t even think it was weeks after but rather only a few days. One of them was asked something along the lines of, “Do you believe that Jim Jones was a God?”, and he responded something like, “Well, up until Saturday I did, but not anymore.”, which leads me to believe this was either the following week or merely days after the devastating event…
Mass murder, not suicide.
This style of interview is indictative of the 1970s. Reporters were hardhitting questioners there to get answers. It can not be compared to today. The survivors just experienced a horrifying event. They are responding in a traumatized state. Thank you for posting. May the souls who perished rest in peace 💜
Questions were repetitious
@@staceymichaels9530I don't feel that he's a very good interviewer.
Well said.
It is still unreasonable.
He keeps asking the same question that the young man has already answered, at least initially.
A fascinating interview. Yes, the journalist is confrontational and intrusive. But he is pulling very colorful narratives from these two guys. The friction is so much more interesting than today’s polished talking heads who really don’t say anything.
Thanks for sharing this!
At about 41:15 Tim makes no sense when he says the kids were told to pretend to scream and cry in otder to scare the other kids. That's ridiculous. The kids really screamed because they were being abused. His brother admits it even. These brothers got off on being in positions of power, they weren't naive innocents. THEY were probably the hit squad, I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Then they deflected......
*defected …
They were prob cia.
I don’t TRUST DEM BEADY BLUE EYED 😈
Fascinating interviews thank you. It's impossible to understand the mental state of people who have been brainwashed and then traumatised by witnessing such an atrocity
Ask any Trump supporter. thay are all brainwashed and would drink the kool aid when he tells them to.
Really? I was 8 years old and in Guyana visiting family with my Mum. But Jonestown has nothing on 2020/21.
@@gillpelage Excatally. The rapist was president in 2020 and the beginning of 2021 then tried to have the results of the election thrown out. A dark time not unlike Guyana. If only all those traitors Jan 6th drank the kool aid we would be much better off today. Just like the 71 million will hopefully during this 4 year AmeriGuyana.
@@jeffbebe5085Awingee?
Those guys don't seem that traumatized. The journalist is right to ask those questions. Their wives and children are dead and the men seem pretty calm and rational in their answers. Bizar. They don't seem confused.
They were in power and didn’t drink the stuff.
No emotion! So strange
@@jessicafiles2386 From what I have read Jones sent some of his higher ups in his circle away from the mass suicide along with his son. These two were probably in that circle.
Plants.
One of them even yawned whilst answering a question and the he is smoking casually like he’s chatting about sports scores. For two grieving men it’s a little off.
i think he knows more then he is saying and i get the feeling he is happy he is single and there is no wife and kid ... both of these men know more than they are saying ...
Don’t speak for someone if he is happy without a wife and child…. How dark of you
They're smiling two days after the older brother witnessed his wife die in his arms (?) They were allowed to leave with a suitcase of money, armed with two guns. I don't find their testimony credible. They say the 'security guys' weren't there, they were armed and ran with the money. Too weird.
@BigElCat YUP. And the way they smiled when the said the other survivors don't trust them. Shady af.
@@gilldavidmour4199I never heard that before. What do you mean no one died?
@@gilldavidmour4199 those two individuals look nothing alike but I hear you bro
@gilldavidmour4199 no. He dead 😭
@@gilldavidmour4199 You are Alex Jones. Never learn.
35:15 This is the reason for the tough questioning. They’ve seem to have a lot to hide.
I honestly believe that these 2 were apart of Jim Jones inner circle. Otherwise why would the other ppl say that and be so afraid of them. This is also probably the reason why they had the guns and money. Definitely gave them the 😒
Can’t trust dem beady blue eyed devils 👿
Birds of a feather flock together. These two witnessed alot of sketchy crap before the murder of they're wifes and children yet still chose to be part of this cult. They're hands are not clean
*They’re = they are. Their hands …
The 20 year old was barely out of his own childhood, but the older one actually watched his wife and child die.
The issue I have with this man is that he knew jim jones was a lewd perverted asshole when he propositioned him at the church about a sexual act, then this man here STILL followed him to Guyana! I cannot figure that out!!!
He followed Jim because he was a part of the scam. There are interviews of the higher ups of Jones town including his own sons admitting they knew it was all a lie. They would bring ppl from the crowds onto the stage and fake heal them as if it was a miracle. In reality they faked the illness to grow the temple. Those guys got away because it was designed that way
Folks, keep in mind that children were killed in mass here, who gives AF how rude the interviewer was to the these Chester’s who can’t help but smile throughout the interview.
Good work posting
" I didn't buy the things Jim Jones was preaching"......."I was brainwashed by his teachings".....
" The kids were acting when they were screaming to scare the other kids".... "I believe everyone disciplines their children"..... Tf, like which is it!?? They cant even keep their lies straight 🤦🏻♀️
I’m glad you see through this!!!!!!! ❤
G yeah these people were definitely the top of the line manipulative especially the younger
I don’t trust these guys.
I read that he was part of the inner circle, and that he had sexual relations with Jim Johns. I think it’s this is the guy that it was pertaining to. Is his name Tim Carter? Well, I think he was in the inner circle. That must’ve made him feel like he had some power.
But as far as what he saying, at the beginning of the interview that he didn’t have anything constructive to do in his life Well, everyone needs a purpose outside of themselves
There's definitely duplicity on both these guys part
👿 demon time
Somebody needs to restore and preserve the footage related to Jump Jones and The People's Temple !! We must continue to teach newer Generations what can happen when you fall Victim to a Cult. We must never forget that nearly One Thousand People were Murdered.
Most of the adults willingly drank the Kool Aid. They shouted down the only woman who was against the mass suicide. Completely brainwashed zealots. Listen to the recording of the event … 😵
there wasn't much investigation after the awful events of jonestown. I think everyone was so horrified they just wanted to shut the door on it. Some of the survivors seem suspicious, but as long as they didn't hurt anyone else since then it's alright I guess. idk. still doesn't sit well. Wild turn of events. The fact that the whole suicide event was taped and you can listen to it is freaking crazy.
Absolutely
From my own research, Jim Jones was practically raised in the KKK and he set up a phony rest home in Ukiah, CA., he then moved to San Francisco and claimed more followers through the court system receiving women and children as wards of the court. Then Jones moved them to Guyana to Matthew's Ridge, (Jonestown). The whites were allowed to come and go in and out of the camp anytime they wanted, while the blacks were held captive inside the camp. Jones followers were murdered after Congressman Leo Ryan paid the camp a visit and threatened to expose Jones for trying to operate a U.S. intelligence agency-funded mind-controlled slave labor camp which is what Jonestown really was. Jones himself was killed before it even happened. The victims were either murdered by some type of rushed poison injection in the back(evident by all the bent needles found all around the camp) below their shoulder blades, shot, stabbed, or strangled. Those people never took any cyanide and the pathology reports, issued by Dr. Cyril L. Mootoo, never supported it. Who murdered them?...The C.I.A.-trained Guyanese police forces, trained by Dan Mitrione, a close friend of Jones who was a U.S. government official in Latin America who trained local police in the use of torture along with British Black Watch troops, around 200 of them, who were waiting in the woods with serrated knives to kill the ones that tried to escape. The U.S. Army reported a series of lies of how they 'died' which took six days. Why did it take six days? That's how long it took to drag all the bodies, around 900 people, into position and lay them face-down in neat rows. Leo Ryan was gunned down at the Kaituma Airport strip by mind-controlled Guyanese defense forces, trained by Dan Mitrione. Mitrione was eventually killed by defense forces in Paraguay. This is the real version of the events that you'll never hear.
He found people that had nothing to lose or live for. Super easy.
Just like Trump is doing. Ignorance prevails.
@@recidivistfighter4673 SMH
@@recidivistfighter4673you're an idiot.
@@recidivistfighter4673and what is he doing?!
@@recidivistfighter4673 You’re obviously in the TDS cult … 😂🤡😵
Stories aint jiving. In my opinion.
He's an actor.
I don’t know… this guy doesn’t seem credible. He’s incredibly calm after witnessing his wife and young child murdered just 2 weeks prior. Something about him is just off. Maybe trying to hide his real involvement in the massacre.
He's an actor.
Textbook definition of duplicity
@@gilldavidmour4199 Meaning the massacre never happened?
@@ER-yf8bu Yes.
@@ER-yf8bu Jim Jones is the same person as 'The Old man' on Pawn Stars.
TL;DR: "I was brainwashed every time I was complicit in the bad things, but I knew it was wrong the whole time, so you shouldn't hold us accountable now. We're just really fortunate victims!"
Sounds like the January 6 rioter’s argument.
The Carter Brothers were calm, cool and collected during the interview.
These guys were smart enough not to be brainwashed by Jim Jones but did everything they could to survive once they knew they were in a bad situation including the surrender of their families to the mass suicide. Their actions were dictated by fear and they were complete cowards. I have no issue with the way the interviewer treated them.
Good point
If you know the story these guys were on the inside. They deny it obviously but why were they given guns and the cash to take to the embassy. I call BS
Being stopped before the suicide meeting, given guns and charge of a huge amount of money, plus an excuse to leave the premises, AND both of their rather flippant attitudes...certainly does rather give one pause.
Greatest trick the devil EVER pulled was convincing the world he does NOT exist….guys like these two 🃏
" That's a good question", is always a delay tactic to think what your answer should be.
Isn’t it a good idea to answer a question well?
@cjrains6022 or give you time to lie.
These two are trying to sound as if they were lucky they escaped. These guys weren't given weapons and a suitcase full of money on a whim. They were high up in the inner circle and the 20 other escaped people knew it, that's why they feared them. I believe a lot of them were lead to stand in line by force from security and those two were on the security squad. They smiled too much with a jovial demeanor and weren't traumatized at all. They had two weeks to cook up a wholesome story, but they were dirty
His wife and son died in front of him, and he is smiling!????
Probably a nervous tick. I do that myself. I've been thru so many emotions after losing a child, both parents then my husband.
These men have experienced terrible trauma.
He’s a psycho zealot. He was one of Joneses inner circle … 💀
@user-jz6sk8wj5u More like they CAUSED the trauma and now they're trying to hide it....
I don't buy that they did not know what was initially in the suitcase. I think they were both higher ups in Jones' inner circle, were both given orders to transport the money, Tim was allowed to bid his wife and son goodbye and then carried out his orders. Tim seems to help the other answer when he is being questioned about there departure in a way it seems to keep there story straight. Also I don't buy the child abuse statement that Tim used in that he thought it was staged for effect like it supposedly was in San Francisco. Notice he bows his head for quite a bit when that comes up, and then tries covering defensively. Plus the fact that the other survivors were scared of these guys when they saw them after they got away. He, to me, was a higher up and stood true to all this to the end. I hope I'm wrong, its just a gut feeling I'm getting from this interview.
Cogent post: they were members too long not to be in the inner circle. Survivors said all of the higher ups were white only
The journalist giving the interview is giving them a hard time. I would have lost it on him
He tells the journalist he felt a sense of belonging - and then the journalist asks three times if he felt that he belonged!
These are essential questions that needed to be asked. The reporter did a good job. The man with the glasses explains how everyone knew that Jim Jones didn't believe in God and that anyone who attended a service at least once would have known that. If you look into the life of Jim Jones you'll see that in 1965 he rejected the idea of a God, fast forward to 1978 thirteen years removed from the denouncement this happens.
I would have too. I've seen other footage of Tim being interviewed shortly after the tragedy where he does begin to lose his cool.
It’s Ted Koppel
@stephenlan5450 it is not Ted Koppel
It's interesting to see in action the lingering effects of the mind control that these men underwent and the mental contortions they go through to justify, deny, and explain away the unjustifiable brutality that slowly, over time, they and their family submitted to.
Exactly. Brainwashed folk can never accept being brainwashed … 😵
Wow you’re on fire!! Never seen this
Tim Carver is a real slime. He did tons of Jones’ dirty work and yet he turns up on every Jonestown documentary claiming he was just trying to “help” people.
I noticed that as well.
@ He’s a waste of oxygen.
Where is he now?
No he’s just a blue eyed Devil sir
These guys were inner circle enforcers
It’s crazy, and I find it interesting how devastating these events are at the time, and then they seem to be forgotten about and not learned from. We will see this happen again I’m certain, so many people feel a lack of purpose and lack of belonging these days. The psychological principle of group think is a very powerful thing, and it is rampant these days.
There have always been charismatic leaders, and people to follow.
I would argue there are probably less charismatic leaders than they used to be, but there are less charismatic people in society. That’s not my point however; the point is disenfranchisement and the feeling of not belonging seems to be greater than it has been during my lifetime. I was born in the early 80s though, so my knowledge doesn’t extend back like that of some others, but it seems separation within society is simply huge, which opens the door for the follow me syndrome.
Wow, these guys are so young
Very interesting to hear, on a sidebar - the collars are collaring
I'm 3 minutes in this guy seems to still be into the cult even after all that happened.
We are all conditioned by the culture we live in. You must reject everything and think for yourself.
That went from an interview of a victim to an intelligence gathering effort into an inquisition! I was getting heated at the end!!
They weren't victims. That's the entire point. The other survivors were terrified of them FOR GOOD REASON.
Hundreds of people were MURDERED. That wouldn't piss you off?
@keter1234 THEY WERE ACCESSORIES TO THOSE MURDERS. My god, Google these guys. They were extremely close to Jim Jones and they are lying their pants off here.
@ It’s not about ME smh. First of all it’s a journalists job to be objective. Second of all none of these men decided or carried out the murder of those brainwashed people. And if they had enough intelligence to gtfo and save themselves then why would anyone be mad at them??
@mistifeyed these two men were very close to Jones and were absolutely complicit in the massacre. They are NOT like the other survivors. And this journo did his homework and knew they were misrepresenting their involvement here.
I think were going to hear a hell of this guys life..why we havent heard more about this is mind boggling to begin with...
Didn't Tim leave his son behind when he left to deposit cash etc at the Russian embassy?
He claimed to have dumped the cash in the jungle.Was it ever found?👍🇮🇪🇷🇺
So according to Tim: when jones called the meeting in the pavilion after Leo Ryan left the cyanide mixture was being made… Maria katsaris saw Tim standing there with his wife and son and said hey Tim I have something for you to do… while he was talking to her the cyanide was beginning to be dished out… when he turned back around he saw one of the nurses putting poison down his son’s throat while his wife was being injected… that’s when he broke down and then left with his brother and Mike prokes…
now 2 weeks before this he flew to San Francisco to look for Terri Buford (she left before the congressman’s visit) and to see what the concerned relatives were doing… and if you watch the nbc footage you see him in the background in a lot of scenes(he’s wearing a green striped shirt)… he’s even seen walking with Leo Ryan to the truck with the lawyers after he was attacked with a knife… so the man had some rank… he just never speaks on it… and yes the money was recovered by the Guyanese military…
Always a polarizing figure after the massacre. Has done many documentaries about the event. He did seem distraught to have lost his wife and son.
No his child was murdered that day his wife had poisoned him
@@amandadavis4446 I've noticed a lot of discrepancies with Tim's story. Especially after seeing many interviews with him throughout the years. I think he's shady.
Where do you find these clips from?
Google
Religious fundamentalism was extremely popular in the 1970's America. And it is on the rise again in 2024 😞
I wouldn’t say people coming back to the church or Catholicism to be fundamentalist.
@@HandbagDiva I would.
@HandbagDiva I absolutely would, they're recruiting like crazy and youtube is their favourite tool. Leading the vulnerable with promises that can never be fulfilled. Very sad.
Westborough baptist Church ring a bell? Religion is mankind's oldest delusion and it's time we start calling this nonsense out without fear of censure.
One common theme I’m hearing with these interviews.. no parents
Religion
Those dudes are psychotic social paths.
They'll stand in front of a judge as we all will..one day
Can't believe these comments. Do they look traumatized to you? As cool as anything and shady. Well done reporter.
Shady brothers.
I can't believe the insensitivity of the comments myself. If you were not there and you didn't lose anyone then it's really easy after the fact to pass judgement like this.
He seems to be not be truthful about the money.
Who conducted the interview? What agency did the interviewee work for?
I believe it was Bill Stewart from ABC
@@LAlimono Thank you for answering. Great upload/find. Appreciated!
It sounds like Mike Wallace from NBC a real ball breaker
@@markbra Mike Wallace worked for CBS, not NBC. And his voice sounded totally different than this guy's.
That's Dan Rather
Reporter did not hold back.
I'd like to know what happened to these guys and if they are doing ok.
Jonestown was an act. No one died.
Jim Jones was the same guy who played the 'Old Man' on Pawn Stars..., until he was outed and then 'died'.
@@gilldavidmour4199I've been thinking similar, could you pls expand? Ty
Liars
"every accusation is a confession"
Thank you
How did they escape?
They didn't "escape." They were in on it and were allowed to get out. That's why the other survivors hated them, and why the journalist is being so hard on them. These guys are lying.
Are they in jail in this interview?
Nope. This interview took place at Guyana’s Park Hotel, where they stayed at along with over a dozen other survivors.
Where was this interview done?
The Park Hotel in Georgetown, Guyana, 12/1/78
Such a tragic incident in recent history. Watching these interviews makes me so sad. I'm sure that interviews like these are approached a little differently now as we understand the psychology of cults so much better. I hope that these survivors found some healing and peace in their lives.
It’s like he never even heard of the Milgram and Stanford experiments
That is one of the reasons why this situation was so tragic. You're not going to find anyone from the this day and age who gives a crap about wanting to do something worth while with their lives or who cares about the fact that they are just wondering around society with their faces in their cell phones from the time they wake up to the time they go to sleep.
What are you talking about? And what does that even have to do with this?
Cults are alive and well if that's what you're worried about.
You say from your cellphone while not giving a crap about anything because clearly if you volunteered anywhere you'd know that there are still plenty if people that are the helpers of society. You just self snitched. Now go volunteer sonewhere.
Russian comment, disregard
@@candynickelYes, true. One of the scariest in these times is the MAGA movement.
This second kid does have a “drug” stare!!!!!!!
Tim seemed to be Jones gopher. Later interviews he seems deeply affected, is it genuine remorse?
These people don't even know why they were there. Should have been more people there...
He’s the double of Belgian actor Matthias Schoenhaarts
Maybe Jim Jones became their mother figure ~ appearing warm kind, concerned, giving them attention and what they thought was love!! Sad, really!!!
See's wife die, still pisses off with the suitcase. Yep, sounds right. Dude's complicit up to his guts.
33mins, watch him coaching his brother on the story. That whole escape spiel is BS.
The young one still believes.
First rule of good journalism: alienate the person you're interviewing and judge them as harshly as possible in the most asshole tone that you can muster. 100% condescending and ridicule. He's judging them not interviewing.
First rule of being a good human: Don't join a horrific abusive cult and be complicit in the massacre of 900 people. Second rule of humanity: if you're a journalist who has a chance to interview high ranking members of that cult 2 weeks after a mass murder, BE HARD IN THEM AND FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.
Your comment is sick. This journalist is a hero.
@@ardalire651 if there are armed guards preventing you from leaving then you aren't complicit
@@ardalire651 actually there's nothing heroic about it at all. you are mistaken
@coffeegator6033 THEY HAD GUNS. Listen to the interview. They could have saved people and they chose to run. These guys were also very high up and very close to Jones. AND THEY HAD GUNS.
I think he is still in military service and has just completed a mission.
Moronic interviewer. Repeating same questions over and over.
Journalist did a fantastic job. You sickos in the comments are defending these two horrible men (who were high up in the organization and who gave VERY disturbing answers here). My god, what is wrong with you.
@@ardalire651agreed. These two did some things there and tried to take off with money then have this cold as ice story telling about their families being murdered.
And rightly so.
@@ardalire651Exactly
Nope, journalism 101; he's trying to catch the men contradicting themselves. He's an excellent journalist
I hope this man’s relationship with his dad bettered. Also am a little convinced these 3 were the inner group (fleeing with a suitcase of money, guns, 20 other witnesses from jonesstown but ive no idea tho) but either way they were victimized
Journalists never change
Russian comment, disregard
Good. This journalist did a fantastic job interviewing two accessories to mass murder.
... which is why idiots like you are afraid of them being able to all tough questions of murderers and liars.
This interviewer is heartless! Asking the men over and over again about if they think their wives killed their children.
They were effectively complicit in the murder of 900 people! Both these men had special status with Jones and were very unpopular among the members of the compound. If either man had doubts about Jones he could have done something much sooner. Like all cult members both men were arrogant and thought he deserved to be in a "special" group regardless of how it affected others. The interviewer is right to push back on them.
There were also ongoing abuses and terrible conditions at Jonestown for years, which they turned a blind eye to. People who fall for cult b.s. deserve to be called out on their role in it.
He's a great interviewer. He is trying to unwind their beliefs and motivations by asking them questions. This is his job, he's not a therapist or a cop.
ppl in shock and in trauma should be treated for that not interviewed by journalists….. unbelievable how badly the victims of that event were handled
these two don’t seem to be victims. victims don’t run off with a suitcase filled with of money. and their calm attitude while talking about the muder of their children and wives. he’s almost smirking and smoking a cigarette
@ seriously, they were children under jim jones, no one is asking them what kind of abuse they suffered. They wanted to escapee committing suicide… they were not all in on the death cult, and they didn’t cause any deaths… the cult leader and his believers did.
Agree! And the balding guy seems to cut off the younger guy ( Tim ?) anytime he starts to be too honest with these implicating questions @carolb1871
@23:51 most unreal response I've ever seen to that type of question these two are serious serious practiced liars
I saw a video recently on TH-cam, and this guy (the older one) was one of the shooters!!!!!!! possibly the younger brother, too!!!!!!! AND…. what happened to the money!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Imagine losing your wife and child and some dumbass interviewer keeps pestering you, implying that you're a bad person.
Imagine witnessing horrific child abuse for years and doing nothing, then when your own family is murdered and YOU HAVE A GUN just running into the woods like a little b*tch and pretending you weren't complicit in these murders. The other survivors hated these 2 men for good reason.
Why didn’t he protect his wife and child?
This "dumbass" interviewer knows these two are hiding something. He's not pestering them, he's trying to catch them in a lie. These two men were very close to Jim Jones and knew what was going to happen. They had a chance to stop this and they didn't, which is why the other survivors were so afraid of them and didn't trust them. The journalist is doing a great job here, trying to catch them. They gave multiple interviews with different answers to a lot of his questions.
They are bad people.
@@HeatherRose2023 He couldn't.
Reporter: how many times are you going to ask the same question. he (reporter) trying to twist things and create a certain narrative
These two are lying. The journo knows it, and so do all the other survivors. If you believe a word they're saying you need to pay closer attention.
@@radrew684 He's going to keep asking the same question until these two stop lying and admit they were in on it with Jim Jones. That's what the other survivors all said about them.
Nope he's trying to get them to contradict themselves
bad situation, so evil on jj;s part, babies are in heaven
Their children died. People of that era didn’t love their kids like people today do. They seem very unemotional about their kids death. It looks weird. They don’t seem bothered.
These questions should have been directed toward other organized religions at the time and since.
2wardz da U.S. GovernMENTAL appaRATus!!!
Is that good journalism? The journalist sounds like a judge or a policeman. No empathy for these two traumatized guys
@monybony8807 These two are lying and they were in on it. Very close to Jones. That's why the journo keeps asking them the same questions-- he's trying to catch them lying.
They weren't traumatized, they were in on the plans. The journalist knows this because he did his homework and talked to other survivors, who didn't trust these two. The Carter brothers were VERY close to Jim Jones.
@ oh I didn’t know. I was thinking they just lost their families
@@monybony8807losing their families freed them up to take off with that money.
What's with people looking for father figures? I dont get along with my dad that well, I don't need another one.
The story doesn't add up,I don't believe for one minute that he was allowed to leave, he and his friend probably knew what was going to happen and decided to get away with cash ,THEY Were doing the cash out thing
Gosh! Can you believe that one guy went through Vietnam and THEN Jonestown where he saw his wife and child destroyed. My God. How can you walk through such trauma? Here’s an earned 💜 for him!!!
Weak ass white men per usual
It is interesting to talk to a survivor but the interviewer is horrible. I cannot make it through it. His questions are badly worded, he changes the meaning of answers, he ask questions they could not know the answers to etc. Also, could they possibly film this in a louder location? I understand sound quality was worse back then but how about sitting inside a building in a quiet area? Sorry, I would love to hear what these two guys have to say but the interviewer is terrible and it is so loud and distracting I cannot finish the video.
These boys lost their mother at 15 and an absent father. They were seeking family. This man is truamattized and grieving.He lost his wife and son. Drugs! They had elderly people there as well.
Walter Cronkite
Didn’t any of those people not have any intuition at all? He was showing paranoia long before he moved them to Guyana 🇬🇾 Beyond that everyone should know that anyone trying to start their own religion is going to be a cult leader.
Many members left Peoples Temple prior and during the mass exodus to Guyana.
Tim is a good looking man
U NASTY
The mere imagination that someone could actually fall for such a phony prophet is mind-boggling to me.
Wonder how many of the red hats would drink the cordial if the orange god told them to?
Oh my goodness, what is wrong with this reporter 24:26 , how many times can he ask these people, who would be going through such trauma, wow 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤷♀️ dude, wtaf....😳😣🥺. These poor people 😑😔❤️🩹.
He might be suspicious that these two "escapees" have some responsibility for the end of the others, and is fishing.
@@bunberrier Exactly.
They were Jim Jones's handpicked "helpers" and were 100% shady and in on the massacre. They're both lying to save their asses, and the reporter knows it.
@@katewallis6103 Exactly duplicity big time
this episode shows how easily a certain percentage of the population can fall prey to megalomaniac narcissists telling them what they want to hear and manipulating them for their own selfish motives.
A large percentage of the population if you consider the amount of people who follow fools online these days …
I’m shocked about the insensitive attitude of the person questioning this man. He did not have to talk to him if that was simply a news reporter.
Mk ultra
Wow. I was really interested in what the survivors were saying but that intervening hammering at them over and over , especially about the deaths of their children, was outright abusive, and these are traumatized men.
I don’t regret watching the interview at all and feel at least semi- confident that interviewer behavior like that wouldn’t be tolerated today.
Omg I'm so tired of comments like this. THESE GUYS WERE IN ON IT. All the other survivors said so. This journalist is trying to catch them in a lie. They were extremely close to Jim Jones and were part of the plans for that day.
@ I actually now change my position and I agree with you. I was only just delving into the real story of what happened at Jonestown and I didn’t fully understand the dynamics. I’m sure there’s more to learn but I have become better informed.
I wonder how often it happens on social media of any kind where anyone ever says “I was mistaken” or god forbid wrong. But you’re right and I just wasn’t familiar enough. The older appearing guy who smoked cigarettes had very antisocial personality disorder vibe and demeanor . And their story was ridiculous.
@Paige-hh2zp that's great!! Thanks for being so willing to learn more. Sorry if I was rude but I've had so many replies that were crazy, so I came in kinda hot. Anyway it's a fascinating story; hope you are able to become as obsessed with it all as I am!!! 😊
They don't act traumatized. Through the whole video they upheld the methods of the cult. 🙄
@ no worries. It’s a very interesting story, and of course a tragic one, but so much can be learned from it.
People were harder back then. Insensitive reporter questions and a calm guy that saw his wife and kid die two weeks ago. What people consider trauma these days could be someone bringing peanut butter around their peanut allergy kid.
The repoter is more like a prosecution lawyer, putting words in the guys mouth
Well they're both lying their asses off, so somebody has to grill them ffs. It sure ain't gonna be you!
@@ardalire651 happy about that
I don’t buy their story especially with having Vietnam experience