Currently the people at the wiki have started labelling the best weapons and armours in class setups. Also they removed the murmasa and medusa head from it completely.
@@EmiWi IDK, when balancing effectiveness and the dopamine that comes with all the numbers popping up whenever a bee touches the wall or the hungry, there's not really any other weapons as effective as or more effective than beenades which also specifically provide the same quantity of hits.
When I did my "Double Boss" JMMFTW challenge, I prevented myself from using Beenades because I thought they would be too powerful. When I was struggling and allowed myself to use them, it turned out that they aren't actually that good & they did not deal sufficient DPS for me to win. That's when I realized there are better options.
That last point is the most important imo. You generally don't want to kill the Wall as soon as you can, if you just want to kill the Wall you can do it pre-Skeletron with beenades and a cheesy arena with lots of LoS blocking. But then you're getting thrown into early Hardmode with trash gear. You don't want to kill the Wall until you've got gear capable of dealing with early Hardmode.
You can't beat the game without killing Skeletron anyways, so there's no point in skipping Skeletron to fight the Wall. The Cultists will not spawn post-golem if the old man is still at the dungeon.
I don't think this is too big of a deal tbh, spider gear is relatively easy to get, even with bad gear, and there's also the option of my personal favourite (and imo super underrated) early hardmode weapon, which even shares the same unlock condition as beenades - the blowgun. Grab yourself some crystal shards as soon as hardmode starts (probably only need about 5-7), craft a couple hundred crystal darts, and now you have a wall bouncing, almost homing weapon with solid damage output.
@@Chewythebigblackdog but we're talking about people who are already looking up a walkthrough/guide. Those people will need good (or at least *decent*) gear for hardmode
I disagree Personally I'm just not a fan of skipping progression but it's absolutely not a bad idea, sure you could argue you'll go into hard mode with bad gear but realistically it's not that hard to get gear that far surpasses anything you could get pre hardmode Some examples are mining some titanium/adamantite and making a sword/repeater+armor if you don't mind mining extra Cheesing some spiders to make spider armor and staff Going to the hallow and getting the stuff for a crystal storm That covers every class and doesn't even require defeating any difficult enemies and is absolutely doable with pre skeletron gear
I have no doubts that the idea of Beenades being the best option for WoF is a leftover mindset from 1.2, before the Beenade nerf, before Expert Mode, before the Hive Pack was introduced, and before the WoF buff. That being said, Beenades are definitely one of the most easily obtained effective options from that time period and still are a fine option even today, so I can see why the mindset stuck around.
I don't think "stigma" (a mark of disgrace) is the word you're looking for. 😅 But otherwise I agree that it's pervasive misconception of it remaining seen as the best, yet it's still very good.
Similar to how some people still think that the summoner class is underpowered, that melee's defenses are meaningless, or that the brain of confusion is simply worse than worm scarf
@@kevin-7091 in fairness beenades are good against the wall of flesh just annoying to farm, boc is technically mathematically worse than worm scarf excluding cases where you are a glass canon and a direct damage reduction wont save you where as rolling the dice can sometimes save you, and unless you go hard into defense a subpar tank build just wont cut it in harder difficulties. I would also say summoner despite being my favorite class is the weakest class in the game. a bit of truth to all the statements
@@Subt0nixBoC is a lot more than just RNG reliant worm scarf, dodging an attack means you also dodge the knockback and debuff. It also gives a temporary buff to crits, and confuse nearby non-boss enemies. Lastly, the dodge chance stack with other dodge options, while damage reduction has diminishing return. Summoner currently has significantly higher damage potential than any other class in the game, with correct utilization of whip stacking and defense penetration. Which class is the weakest or strongest is a lot more complex than just a simple ranking, as every class has their own power spike and hiccups across multiple stage of the game. They are not just four linear lines stacking on top of each other
@@Subt0nixWelp, seems like the self-perpetuating mindset of BoC is just scarf with RNG, and summoner is simply the weakest class does indeed still exist.
@@kevin-7091Summoner has very high damage potential along with the weakest defense to actually get in whip range to USE it. If you're just letting minions attack idle while you're dodging and shooting some random magic weapon, the damage isn't high.
so this brings up a few things i personally as a time waster on terraria with around 13,000 hours, have noticed, Especially in the past 2 or so years that i've been doing a lot of Challenge runs. A lot of those runs are Weapon Restricted runs, where i can only use a set of weapons that are apart of the same Crafting tree for an end game weapon or have a shared mechanic such as inflicting the same debuff, or being obtainable in the same way. So i have had my fair share or thoughts on the way to actually classify weapons, and on Guides in general. So i'm currently primarly a Modded player, but i'll try to talk in more general terms since my thoughs do extend to Vanilla as well though might not specifically be fleashed out for Vanilla as much as for Modded. So to start with i would classify weapons in to 3 categories, being as followes: - Good Weapons (weapons that are Meta or can be used to kill the thing you are trying to kill in a easy fashion while still not being the peak of preformance, but close enough to where a normal player won't notice a differance) - Good Enough Weapons (weapons that can be used to kill the target relatively easily, but are still noticablt worse then the optimal gear in the abovce categori) - Others (pretty much everything else that is just so off tier that it's generally not worth even looking at) With these 3 Categories in mind i try to always recommend the weapons i prefer to use and know to be Good Weapons for the fight, with a sprinkling of a few Good Enough Weapons if they are fun to use, or are a worth while option from an obtaining standpoint, so that i don't make anyone that looks at my guide as away to learn and make progress on there own, i try to give multiple options while providing a setup that Will get you through the task you are doing. My thoughts on the wiki are similar to your's, in that both in the vanilla class setups and on for example Calamity wiki Class setups, the amount of things "recommended" is so large that it's practically usless for some one wanting to learn from the ground up, and might not have extencive knowledge on the items presented. Most people who actually look at the wiki are people that are just starting out and probably don't know about the fact that the fastest and simplest way to get a guide is through YT, or the type of person that have played the game a bit and did use a YT guide or something similar, and are looking for something else to try, but the Class setups page doesn't serve ether of these types of people, since the wiki is just a listing of possiblr options that might or might nor work for your situation. Such as when choosing a weapon to use in early HM not all of the weapons preform as well for each mech for example, as Destroyer needsd AoE or heavy Piercing, where Twins can be done with most of the options, but having strong direct damage is prefered. Lastly Skeletron Prime benefits from ether havinf 2 weapons a piercing for the arms and a direct damage weapon for the skill after, or a mixed weapon with 1 or 2 piercing but not needing massive amounts of it. So just showing a player all the options when not all of them will be as good for some of the bosses as others, makes the players attempts at looking for help through the wiki possibly leave a bad impession and leave them struggleing on there own. Still as you said the wiki team is working on improving the wiki as we Type, so hopefully in time the wiki can be a place for good and easy help for ne players just starting or wanting to expand there play style.
I don't think the beenades have been "the best" for a long time, but they are extremely good at getting new players past the wall better than just about any other weapon in pre-hardmode. They kill the hungry, leeches, and the wall for you so you just have to dodge some lasers and keep running Quick addendum: If you're using melee like a yoyo or night's edge on higher difficulties you should be throwing down beenades when the hungry respawn anyways tbh, thrown weapons aren't a class anymore for a reason: They're meant to supplement your other strategies.
@@brandonbernard1570 I'm glad someone else agrees. I feel like Terraria challenge videos have poisoned many people's minds into thinking you should just use one weapon for bosses when in reality, certain utility items are irreplaceable. Hell, beenades are even great against the destroyer as they can take hits from the probes which is just, so so nice if you're squishy
The reason I like the class guides as they are is because, well... I don't care about what's strongest, I just want to know what becomes available at each stage of the game, so I don't miss anything cool. However, yeah, for people who actually want to have a "here's what's good for this stage of the game" type guide, it's practically useless, and those people are probably more important to cater to than me
am i the only one that remembers that you can craft beenades? he doesnt even mention it as an option and mentions having to farm queen bee for them when you can easily get enough bee wax to craft them after only 1 or 2 queen bees
Damn bro you are seriously scientific in your approach, I love it. You kick ass. If you applied your method beyond terraria I'm pretty damn sure you would pop off in a big way.
Heya, I'm a huge fan of the three Magic Missile type weapons. Could you compare them to other more popular weapons? I've always found them to be absurdly good, even taking Rainbow Rod up against Plantera and Golem in one playthrough simply because I love the consistency and AoE damage so much. They make short work of Old One's Army and events too, naturally. It's basically like having Snowman Cannon on you post-Skeletron.
Well, he currently has made videos about people having misconceptions about the game. I'm pretty sure the 3 mentioned weapons are well understood by the community.
@@Th3Curs3dChild Certainly true on both counts! But it still drives me crazy that the old wisdom of the community is still hung up on ancient tactics like beenades, Mini/Megashark, and Daedalus Stormbow. And I for one hadn't experienced anywhere near as much enthusiasm for the Magic Missile trio after their amazing glow up. So I can't help but try and change that. Possibly with some cold hard facts, like with this channel's thorough science.
I was doing my first summoner only master mode wall of flesh today, and i noticed i would consistantly die in the last stages of the fight. So, I went to the wiki, to see if i was missing anything, and it had a new sub-tab in the class setups, labeling which were actually more effective. Additionally, in the summoner tab, there was a chart for summon mixing, which i was skeptical about, but i saw instant results, killing it before the halfway point of my world. It has been updated.
Thx for doing this video (and for including me in the beginning :D). I dont think you did this just because I requested it in my comment cause there were a lot of people who didnt agree with the beenades comment but its still nice to see a comparison between the weapons.
I would agree if it werent for the legendary difficulty. In this difficulty you have to damage the wall of flesh while piercing through the hungries, dealing with leeches, and making sure the imps dont screw you with their super buffed fireballs of death. I could not find a weapon that deals with all of those targets at once other than beenades. Since the imps respawn so quickly i dont feel comfortable stopping to shoot the imps as that makes the fight go on for way too long. But the beenades have really good area denial being able to hit every target at once do to the swarm of piercing homing bees covering the screen. Other than that ive never used beenades in my life so id like to know your strategies for this fight so i can avoid farming queen bees forever.
The WoF is just 99% arena preparation. Clear enough buildings to always have a clear shot to the WoF and make a railroad track around 2/3 of a Medium world's length and either Hellwing bow or Demon Scythe will take care of the wall once you get the targeting right. Neither Imps nor the Wall should ever hit you if you're sufficiently above ground.
ah of course, this weapon is ineffective in every other difficulty but the joke difficulty made to be unfair and unfun to play, so therefore it is actually very good
@@uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhidklegendary mode isn’t exactly a joke difficulty, it’s mire of a combination that happends when the ftw seed is mixed with master mode. Getfixedboi was made to be a joke and painful but yet also difficult. The only jone thing about legendary are the amount of enemies that can onehit you
On my latest run I discovered the digging molecart... Hands down my favorite way to deal with WoF cause the setup is SO effortless it can be done largely 1handed, yet you don't accidentally get stuck on stuff when you manage your jumps poorly. Zero campfires or whatever, just that rail, some basic potions and a Demon Scythe with a very lucky magic hat/mystic robe/ancient cobalt leggings combo (He even brought the Gray Zapinator and then also an orange one very early on in HM), accessories didn't matter that much, easiest WoF of my life. Drawback is the iron cost, but I'm doing a slow playthrough on a large world anyway, trying to get some missing achievements etc. Didn't end up needing that much track, and you can always have some lava walking at the end. I had also already used tons of iron for iron bricks for my base, so I can see this working out just fine on more minimal runs. (Remember, 1 iron bar = 50 tracks) I recommend mining above your cart in tight sections so you can jump a bit there, also so you don't have to be as precise with the Demon Scythe angle colliding. I stupidly slowed down right at the end instead of just using my mini-map, so he actually managed to hit me for a more substantial amount... once. I think I did get some favorable luck, but if I dodged THIS much, it seems it should be consistent enough. Looking forward to more dodge testing when I farm him a bit! The perfectly straight track worked well with Demon Scythe. I'm normally not a fan of doing bosses with minecarts btw., but for WoF, I feel it didn't really change the fight in a way I felt I was missing out on some action, mostly just a tedium reducer even compared to smoothing it out for lava walking.
I do use Beenades against the wall tp this day but only as a supplement to my main weapon to help get rid of the hungry for easier wall kills. I don't go out of my way to get a ton of beenades either. Just one kill from queen bee is usually enough to do the job to get ne enough for a 1st try wall kill.
Terraria wiki has always been filled with strange nonsense. Extremely useful as a source of raw information, but take any opinions on there with at least 3 grains of salt. Its like the wiki editors have only played classic lol
Like the wiki guides have no structure like at least put them in descending order of strongest to weakest and special role fillers on the side but the wiki guide seems to be putting things that u can beat it with this but it's not recommended
In my opinion the beenades are still a great option as a supplement of sorts, like, if you play in coop with friends on expert, the loot bags disable the need to grind the queen bee that much if all of your party just dump all of your beenades onto one person, in my playthroughs it was usually a summoner or a melee person, letting them use the nades while other people use their own weapons
I haven't actually watched your wiki video yet, but I've been following that class setup guide for like a year as I do a long playthrough and it's been immensely useful for me not because I am new to the game, but just because I frequently don't remember what I need to be doing next or what my next weapons and stuff to aim for are 😂 I already know what I like to use and am comfortable with, I just need something to refer to to keep myself on track... finding that guide was a godsend lol
Some of the appeal from the beenades if *because* of how easy it is to use compared to alot of other weapons. I have many memories of beenades slaying the wall of flesh quickly when I had much trouble without them
something about the class guide might be that its a slightly wrong description of what it is. I think its a great resource for players who arent familiar with the options you have at any given stage, as it points you towards what you might want to play with first. and as long as you collect all the things, play with them and decide which ones work well when, youre doing it right. personally I love the class guide when playing calamity because theres so much crap im not really familiar with, but you have to be willing to throw out the garbage and not listen to the guide like its gospel. Its a GUIDE, it pushes you in the right direction, instead of walking you through the exact steps you should take
Imo beenades are a good sidearm for when the wall of flesh is not hittable/ in a wall, but not the best as a main weapon. (for example at 4:45 you can throw beenades in front of the obsidian houses, while you can't shoot the wof directly) Though there are weapons like the waterbolt that accomplish this but better
Honestly, the best use for Beenades dor the wall is the later parts when the wall is moving faster and faster, as you can dodge more effectively if you don't have to worry about hitting stuff
For me, i use the class setups page (mainly for modded situations) to see every item available for me in that class, in that time in progression. Allows me to experiment and find what i like the best
Bees are one of the things that make me wish there was a Weapon Tier Upgrade system that could upgrade weapons to have competitive numbers with their upgraded counterparts. Maybe not as hard as the Aqua Scepter in don't dig up worlds, which honestly starts feeling like a Moon Lord weapon, but enough that the archetypes that are present in the early game have meaningful presence in the late game. Bees fall off HARD, and some pre-Hardmode weapons don't even have a Hardmode equivalent. Like... the Grenade Launcher drops from Plantera; you could easily craft a Beenade Launcher using Beeswax and then upgrade that to endgame/postgame viability using Chlorophyte or Luminite.
Definitely a really great line at the end there. The games difficulty jumps up unlike any other boss in the game. Having a weapon that's decent for early hard more is definitely more useful than having a weapon set to kill wall in a decent manner.
my opinion is that if you have tried other weapons such as the ones you tested and you die before you can beat WoF, using beenades may help you beat the WoF because you can focus on dodging.
I agree to an extent, but I think they should be more supplemental in that case rather than your primary weapon. Beenades are kind of annoying to farm, and you need to do it over and over if you die, but using them when the fight gets tough so you can DPS and dodge seems perfectly serviceable.
I did a legendary playthrough and even with all the imp banners I still died with the wall under 1000 hp every time. A large reason was because it got way too fast. I couldn't do enough dmg before it caught up. When I finally beat it, I did it by using the Phoenix Blaster till it was pretty low, then ran far away and started chucking beenades backwards. It worked very well. Also the more distance you have the less accurate the eye lasers will be by the time they get to you. Would recommend if you have trouble outpacing the wall.
Literally every test in the video, except for trying to use hellwing's pierce and using Night's edge, are just running away while clicking in a general direction of the WoF
3:41 This really isn't a disadvantage for me, I use stone blocks exclusively for the wall, because it makes it possible (and frankly quite easy) to farm souls of light and/or night from the underworld.
I always used beenades to only get rid of hungries. I didn't played ranged much, but I almost always used star cannon, so I didn't wanted to waste stars to knockback hungries in some situations, so I just thrown some nades from 1-2 Qbees and switched to another option. And personally, I believe that this is the bst use for them now, since they are not your main weapon and you don't have to spend a slot for hive pack, and they do just fine against hungries with 1 shark tooth. I use them as other classes too if hungries get too crowded
In legendary mode I haven't bothered with beenades since I cba didn't want to farm the queen for too much.. I did farm her to make the healing tooth necklace though :) Night's edge worked after a few tries! My only issue was not running fast enough at times :D Magniluminescence is a game changer for running fast..
I used beenades to finish the wall off because of the speed problem. I got it low with the Phoenix blaster then ran far away and chucked beenades. It was probably my 15th attempt and it worked very well!
I used beenades for the imps and hellwing bow otherwise. I used the golf cart for mobility against both queen bee and wof. Nights edge worked well against queen bee and with a proper arena farming her wasn’t a problem
You can craft more beenades with beeswax from queen bee. I just finished a master mode playthrough and I killed Queen bee 3 times and all the mats and nades were MORE than enough to fight WoF twice with only beenades.
In my experience, it is still viable! I had just recently beaten the wall of flesh for the first time on master mode using nothing but beenades and the bee gun as well! My only method of buffing potion being the iron skin potion and the medium fed buff from a pumpkin pie. In the last effort, though, as I was running out of beenades, I did use the hive pack which helped significantly! 3:50 This wasn't a problem for me as I had used ice platforms and stone blocks at least a block distance underneath them so that I could keep walking! For some reason [note I am using the mobile edition of terraria I don't own a computer] My Play style is a bit crooked so sometimes when I'm trying to send Some reinforcing damage; I accidentally slide my thumb downward, which causes me to fall through the platforms. So I have a slightly gapped Stone bridge underneath it so that I don't fall right into lava. [The reason i say slightly gapped is because i punched a few holes in so that lava can seep through if any lava slime decided to ruin my day] So even if bees went through garden planters, it wouldn't matter because I wasn't using garden planters anyhow... Also, farming Queen bee was no problem for me Because the wall of flesh was the only boss I needed to beat anyhow. I already had molten armor and I took a lot of advice from the Defense video, so it was very difficult for me to die to Queen bee at all. I had started with like what, 37 summons? It was very quick to defeat and I done it a lot of times it's a very good strategy or pre-hardmode for getting a lot of platinum coins... By the end of it all, I had 792 beenades and had enough bee wax necessary to create 800 more. And about thirty platinum coins, So buying the grenades was not an issue.
I'm thinking if constantly swapping beenades with a different weapon would be a better strategy because when only beenades are used there is a lot of bees just sitting on the wall unable to do damage due to i-frames
That’s exactly what I was thinking the entire time. Something like the bee’s knees, so you can profit off of that hive pack and necro armor range bonus.
@@TheLusion On the outer regions houses don't spawn so I just fight the wall there. If things go well it dies before reaching the houses region. Of course making an arena will help a ton if you're struggling with the boss (I always make one on legendary)
@@Tempestissiman idk i don't speedrun and it's not problem for me, also why later if i can do it before hardmode and realtively fast, especially plantera arena, at least it's better than being one-shooted by a tortoise
The Hellwing Bow can also still use other arrows too by the way, the bow doesn't override any other arrow beyond wooden arrows, the rest get fired as usual. That said, how much more or less effective is the hellwing bow when used with a stronger arrow, such as Hellfire, Unholy, or Jester arrows?
hey, great video, i wanted to add that beenades should be seen more like a support weapon, i think using them alongside many of the other powerfull weapons that u mentioned could really shorten the time by keeping bees on the available part of the wall and not spaming
I've started building a queen bee farm in all of my world's using the statue trick you showed. You can kill a queen bee like every three seconds and the spawns are very easy to make. 10 minutes of farming and selling the drops gets you easily 10 plat. So I have a lot of beenades laying around. But I do agree with the point of the video.
Even if the beenades aren't great anymore ill usually have a few laying around after a few queen bee fights. Best case scenario is they take out the hungry and get some chip damage or to get that final bit of health down from the wall when it starts to speed up and getting close with melee isn't as safe. I think they get their job as support done well enough
At least my first few times around, I just defeated WoF with regular Grenades. Underrated weapon honestly. There're obviously way better options for WoF in particular. But at least for me, they kinda trivialize most of prehardmode, and are serviceable against WoF. While also being super easy to get. Very good for exploration as well, especially in underground desert.
Beenades were really useful for me against legendary mode wof because they homed in on the fire imps and allowed me to run away and aim for the eyes/mouth with my hellwing bow
I always used to play throwing for pre-hardmode, then switch to another class once in hardmode. Haven't actually used beenades since throwing got gutted :(
I look at it this way: I need to build an arena for Plantera, so instead of waiting for hardmode, I make one right away in pre-hardmode and use it to farm queen bee. I get a lot of beenades (plus the ones I can craft), I use the gold to buy the grenades required and a couple more of other stuff, and then I use all of it to defeat the wall of flesh easily by just spamming the drop button (after building a long dirt road of course). I don't need to worry about the terrain being perfectly leveled and I can use the arena I built to fight plantera later, so I kill to bees in one shot (or birds). The only problem is that yes, you need a lot in master mode, I think I needed 300 or something last time I tried, although I forgot how many exactly. That's the only downside. Still a viable option. I don't care about my WoF arena not being made of pots or whatever because, honestly, it's cheaper and easier for me to just use the dirt I got after digging the hellevator. Surely I will have some clay lying around as well but... I'll probably have way more dirt and stone. So that's also not a problem. Also if I play master mode, I will most likely be using grenades at the beginning so I will most likely have quite a few to upgrade to beenades. In the end, beenades is the META for me, because of the way I play the game.
I 100% agree with you, I have a "themed" character save that "roleplay" as a bee king called "Beemigen" and I played that character a lot in a "not the bees" a lot So I have basically infinite beenade and sometime I try play normally using that caharacter, and it's pretty bad lol The only reason I use beenade is because I have basicaly infinite supply of it Edit: not saying it isn't fun, it is ACTUALLY quite fun, that's why I use it a lot, but still isn't good tho
3:45 if you use beenades as a supporting weapon instead of actual damage, you can simply use platforms, and occasionally throw beenades at buildings for some good burst. If you use it like that, which is how you are supposed to use it and how most people use it, you only need around 30-40 nades which is only a couple bee kills
do NOT use the muramasa with shadow armor against the wall,you will die,i repeat do NOT use muramasa with shadow armor against the wall,i speak from experience
I still like to use whatever beenades I happened to get from fight queen bee once or twice, but yeah other weapons are must better as the primary weapon.
I wonder if using them in conjunction with the Phoenix Blaster would be a big hit to the overall damage for the Phoenix. As in, just tossing a few in in-between shots
there was only ever one use for the medusa head before it was nerfed and when it could drop at anytime it did great damage, but it really shined against the ads from queen bee toooooooo bad it sucks now. :
I honestly like using stone for my hellbridge,makes farming in hollow and corrupiton easy in the underworld So beenades can be viable (altough i prefer the star cannon) and they are craftable
Remember the time when i was new to terraria and hyper ass at it,chucked 20 beenades at accidentally spawned WOF,died to lava,WOF vanished accidental discovery of hardmode
I still use beenades if I have them on ranger runs to this day for wall, but I can’t really see myself using them for the whole fight. However I will say that in my experience they tend to deal with the hungry fairly well, though I’m sure there’s better options for that too - hellwing bow especially, given its piercing and ease of obtaining ammo.
personally i always make my arena out of stone (I dont use beenades) because then I get a 0 efforts light and night soul farm because the 1 block thick stone is enough to make all enemies drop souls
I'd say their still good as a combo item, I got about 30 since I killed her twice and am planning to just use them in harder spots of hell where I need to run or as a spam tool. Like a grenade in shooters something you pair with a primary
Honestly I've always made oversized wof arenas with blocks anyway and like you said they're the easiest to use so I'll stick with them 💪 was a super well made informative video tho
I used beenades on the Wall as like a secondary thing, id throw a few when the terrain wasn't ideal for the Phoenix Blaster or whatever weapons I had (aka no line of sight but terrain worked fine for the bees). My dps would stay pretty consistent so the pressure that the fight exerts upon me, especially when im not attacking, decreased a lot. I never used Only Beenades since I found grinding Queen Bee to be hella annoying and time consuming, and I hate consumeables in general.
Currently the people at the wiki have started labelling the best weapons and armours in class setups. Also they removed the murmasa and medusa head from it completely.
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Okay Sorby, but consider this: Beenades have lots of damage numbers, and therefore make my lizard brain very happy to use.
Okay ourple person, but consider this: other weapons have more damage numbers, and therefore make the lizard brain even happier to use them instead.
They don't have as much damage numbers as they used to now, though, and bee gun manages the same effect.
@@EmiWi IDK, when balancing effectiveness and the dopamine that comes with all the numbers popping up whenever a bee touches the wall or the hungry, there's not really any other weapons as effective as or more effective than beenades which also specifically provide the same quantity of hits.
purple haze is a golem worshipping lizhard confirmed
try water bolt in a very enclosed arena next time
When I did my "Double Boss" JMMFTW challenge, I prevented myself from using Beenades because I thought they would be too powerful. When I was struggling and allowed myself to use them, it turned out that they aren't actually that good & they did not deal sufficient DPS for me to win. That's when I realized there are better options.
I agree, Zenith is better to use! It carried me for the Wall of Flesh better than Beenades.
@@Meowlegend7 And you just need a Bast Statue, some wires, and a door.
@@UlyssesK402I know, right? Easier than trying to farm queen bee.
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Underrated option is absolutely Aqua Scepter.
That last point is the most important imo. You generally don't want to kill the Wall as soon as you can, if you just want to kill the Wall you can do it pre-Skeletron with beenades and a cheesy arena with lots of LoS blocking. But then you're getting thrown into early Hardmode with trash gear. You don't want to kill the Wall until you've got gear capable of dealing with early Hardmode.
You can't beat the game without killing Skeletron anyways, so there's no point in skipping Skeletron to fight the Wall. The Cultists will not spawn post-golem if the old man is still at the dungeon.
I don't think this is too big of a deal tbh, spider gear is relatively easy to get, even with bad gear, and there's also the option of my personal favourite (and imo super underrated) early hardmode weapon, which even shares the same unlock condition as beenades - the blowgun. Grab yourself some crystal shards as soon as hardmode starts (probably only need about 5-7), craft a couple hundred crystal darts, and now you have a wall bouncing, almost homing weapon with solid damage output.
@@Chewythebigblackdog but we're talking about people who are already looking up a walkthrough/guide. Those people will need good (or at least *decent*) gear for hardmode
@@Chewythebigblackdog On entering hardmode I always rush for spider gear and cheese the spiders with explosive sentries
I disagree
Personally I'm just not a fan of skipping progression but it's absolutely not a bad idea, sure you could argue you'll go into hard mode with bad gear but realistically it's not that hard to get gear that far surpasses anything you could get pre hardmode
Some examples are mining some titanium/adamantite and making a sword/repeater+armor if you don't mind mining extra
Cheesing some spiders to make spider armor and staff
Going to the hallow and getting the stuff for a crystal storm
That covers every class and doesn't even require defeating any difficult enemies and is absolutely doable with pre skeletron gear
I have no doubts that the idea of Beenades being the best option for WoF is a leftover mindset from 1.2, before the Beenade nerf, before Expert Mode, before the Hive Pack was introduced, and before the WoF buff.
That being said, Beenades are definitely one of the most easily obtained effective options from that time period and still are a fine option even today, so I can see why the mindset stuck around.
hehe sigma
@@juliangm1387 shut it
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I don't think "stigma" (a mark of disgrace) is the word you're looking for. 😅 But otherwise I agree that it's pervasive misconception of it remaining seen as the best, yet it's still very good.
@@ZaCloud-Animations___she-her I think the word he is looking for is dogma
The whole "beenades are good against the wall of flesh" thing is a great example of an aggressively self-perpetuating meme
Similar to how some people still think that the summoner class is underpowered, that melee's defenses are meaningless, or that the brain of confusion is simply worse than worm scarf
@@kevin-7091 in fairness beenades are good against the wall of flesh just annoying to farm, boc is technically mathematically worse than worm scarf excluding cases where you are a glass canon and a direct damage reduction wont save you where as rolling the dice can sometimes save you, and unless you go hard into defense a subpar tank build just wont cut it in harder difficulties. I would also say summoner despite being my favorite class is the weakest class in the game.
a bit of truth to all the statements
@@Subt0nixBoC is a lot more than just RNG reliant worm scarf, dodging an attack means you also dodge the knockback and debuff. It also gives a temporary buff to crits, and confuse nearby non-boss enemies. Lastly, the dodge chance stack with other dodge options, while damage reduction has diminishing return.
Summoner currently has significantly higher damage potential than any other class in the game, with correct utilization of whip stacking and defense penetration. Which class is the weakest or strongest is a lot more complex than just a simple ranking, as every class has their own power spike and hiccups across multiple stage of the game. They are not just four linear lines stacking on top of each other
@@Subt0nixWelp, seems like the self-perpetuating mindset of BoC is just scarf with RNG, and summoner is simply the weakest class does indeed still exist.
@@kevin-7091Summoner has very high damage potential along with the weakest defense to actually get in whip range to USE it. If you're just letting minions attack idle while you're dodging and shooting some random magic weapon, the damage isn't high.
okay but consider:
change terrifies me
Lol
agreed
It’s ok, but one should move on
So true
change.
so this brings up a few things i personally as a time waster on terraria with around 13,000 hours, have noticed, Especially in the past 2 or so years that i've been doing a lot of Challenge runs. A lot of those runs are Weapon Restricted runs, where i can only use a set of weapons that are apart of the same Crafting tree for an end game weapon or have a shared mechanic such as inflicting the same debuff, or being obtainable in the same way. So i have had my fair share or thoughts on the way to actually classify weapons, and on Guides in general.
So i'm currently primarly a Modded player, but i'll try to talk in more general terms since my thoughs do extend to Vanilla as well though might not specifically be fleashed out for Vanilla as much as for Modded.
So to start with i would classify weapons in to 3 categories, being as followes:
- Good Weapons (weapons that are Meta or can be used to kill the thing you are trying to kill in a easy fashion while still not being the peak of preformance, but close enough to where a normal player won't notice a differance)
- Good Enough Weapons (weapons that can be used to kill the target relatively easily, but are still noticablt worse then the optimal gear in the abovce categori)
- Others (pretty much everything else that is just so off tier that it's generally not worth even looking at)
With these 3 Categories in mind i try to always recommend the weapons i prefer to use and know to be Good Weapons for the fight, with a sprinkling of a few Good Enough Weapons if they are fun to use, or are a worth while option from an obtaining standpoint, so that i don't make anyone that looks at my guide as away to learn and make progress on there own, i try to give multiple options while providing a setup that Will get you through the task you are doing.
My thoughts on the wiki are similar to your's, in that both in the vanilla class setups and on for example Calamity wiki Class setups, the amount of things "recommended" is so large that it's practically usless for some one wanting to learn from the ground up, and might not have extencive knowledge on the items presented. Most people who actually look at the wiki are people that are just starting out and probably don't know about the fact that the fastest and simplest way to get a guide is through YT, or the type of person that have played the game a bit and did use a YT guide or something similar, and are looking for something else to try, but the Class setups page doesn't serve ether of these types of people, since the wiki is just a listing of possiblr options that might or might nor work for your situation. Such as when choosing a weapon to use in early HM not all of the weapons preform as well for each mech for example, as Destroyer needsd AoE or heavy Piercing, where Twins can be done with most of the options, but having strong direct damage is prefered. Lastly Skeletron Prime benefits from ether havinf 2 weapons a piercing for the arms and a direct damage weapon for the skill after, or a mixed weapon with 1 or 2 piercing but not needing massive amounts of it. So just showing a player all the options when not all of them will be as good for some of the bosses as others, makes the players attempts at looking for help through the wiki possibly leave a bad impession and leave them struggleing on there own.
Still as you said the wiki team is working on improving the wiki as we Type, so hopefully in time the wiki can be a place for good and easy help for ne players just starting or wanting to expand there play style.
sticky dynamite ftw
Eww, FTW (edit: I thought it was "For the Worthy" seed).
bouncy dynamite ftw
life crystal boulder ftw
@@Meowlegend7for the win not for the worthy
@@fulookin6701 ohh.
It's good to find a guy who also has a passion for this game. I like your content, keep going :D
I don't think the beenades have been "the best" for a long time, but they are extremely good at getting new players past the wall better than just about any other weapon in pre-hardmode. They kill the hungry, leeches, and the wall for you so you just have to dodge some lasers and keep running
Quick addendum: If you're using melee like a yoyo or night's edge on higher difficulties you should be throwing down beenades when the hungry respawn anyways tbh, thrown weapons aren't a class anymore for a reason: They're meant to supplement your other strategies.
I'm glad someone mentioned this. Beenades still feel really good for crowd control utility, just not as a primary weapon.
@@brandonbernard1570 I'm glad someone else agrees. I feel like Terraria challenge videos have poisoned many people's minds into thinking you should just use one weapon for bosses when in reality, certain utility items are irreplaceable. Hell, beenades are even great against the destroyer as they can take hits from the probes which is just, so so nice if you're squishy
Ngl, beenades are really nostalgic for me and bees will always have a special place in my heart in any game because of Terraria
The reason I like the class guides as they are is because, well... I don't care about what's strongest, I just want to know what becomes available at each stage of the game, so I don't miss anything cool. However, yeah, for people who actually want to have a "here's what's good for this stage of the game" type guide, it's practically useless, and those people are probably more important to cater to than me
I always love these video-essay style videos, i think theyre really nice and chill
buzz buzz am i right fellas
Don’t call me honey, honey!
Beezed and honeypilled
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EARTHBOUND!?!?!?
i did not expect a mother 2 fan in a place like this@@CrabTuxedo
am i the only one that remembers that you can craft beenades? he doesnt even mention it as an option and mentions having to farm queen bee for them when you can easily get enough bee wax to craft them after only 1 or 2 queen bees
Damn bro you are seriously scientific in your approach, I love it. You kick ass. If you applied your method beyond terraria I'm pretty damn sure you would pop off in a big way.
Heya, I'm a huge fan of the three Magic Missile type weapons. Could you compare them to other more popular weapons? I've always found them to be absurdly good, even taking Rainbow Rod up against Plantera and Golem in one playthrough simply because I love the consistency and AoE damage so much. They make short work of Old One's Army and events too, naturally. It's basically like having Snowman Cannon on you post-Skeletron.
Well, he currently has made videos about people having misconceptions about the game. I'm pretty sure the 3 mentioned weapons are well understood by the community.
rainbow rod my beloved
They are also hella OP in pvp.
The incredibly powerful homing on these weapons is a blessing when you have shit aim like me.
@@Th3Curs3dChild Certainly true on both counts! But it still drives me crazy that the old wisdom of the community is still hung up on ancient tactics like beenades, Mini/Megashark, and Daedalus Stormbow. And I for one hadn't experienced anywhere near as much enthusiasm for the Magic Missile trio after their amazing glow up. So I can't help but try and change that. Possibly with some cold hard facts, like with this channel's thorough science.
These vids make me feel like I play terraria wrong no matter what
Just do warding and don't do bee nades, seems simple to me :)
use the beenades as a suport weapon
the way some mfs are super condescending when they correct you (sorbet cafe is an exception) i don't blame you for thinking that
just play the game and you're golden. aint no "wrong" way about it
@@mahmoudalhahmad1504that's better advice then the comment above u
0:48 if your not familer, sorbet cafe's favorite weapon is the phoenix blaster
Looking forward to "In depth opinions on every single weapon in terraria"
Medusa Head is just gonna be a single clip of him saying trash
Phoenix Blaster will be a clip of him saying its awesome
This is just a good ass video. Well narrated, well explained, as far as i can tell about as factually correct as you can get. Love it
I feel like the bee weapons are good for running away to heal real quick then go back in with it he better damaging options
I was doing my first summoner only master mode wall of flesh today, and i noticed i would consistantly die in the last stages of the fight. So, I went to the wiki, to see if i was missing anything, and it had a new sub-tab in the class setups, labeling which were actually more effective. Additionally, in the summoner tab, there was a chart for summon mixing, which i was skeptical about, but i saw instant results, killing it before the halfway point of my world. It has been updated.
Thx for doing this video (and for including me in the beginning :D).
I dont think you did this just because I requested it in my comment cause there were a lot of people who didnt agree with the beenades comment but its still nice to see a comparison between the weapons.
I hope they buff Medusa Head one day, lowkey such a cool weapon but it got destroyed by nerfs
I would agree if it werent for the legendary difficulty. In this difficulty you have to damage the wall of flesh while piercing through the hungries, dealing with leeches, and making sure the imps dont screw you with their super buffed fireballs of death. I could not find a weapon that deals with all of those targets at once other than beenades. Since the imps respawn so quickly i dont feel comfortable stopping to shoot the imps as that makes the fight go on for way too long. But the beenades have really good area denial being able to hit every target at once do to the swarm of piercing homing bees covering the screen. Other than that ive never used beenades in my life so id like to know your strategies for this fight so i can avoid farming queen bees forever.
The WoF is just 99% arena preparation. Clear enough buildings to always have a clear shot to the WoF and make a railroad track around 2/3 of a Medium world's length and either Hellwing bow or Demon Scythe will take care of the wall once you get the targeting right. Neither Imps nor the Wall should ever hit you if you're sufficiently above ground.
The Knight's Edge is still really good even against the Legendary mode Wall
ah of course, this weapon is ineffective in every other difficulty but the joke difficulty made to be unfair and unfun to play, so therefore it is actually very good
@@uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhidkwhat do you mean "joke difficulty" hardest possible mode is hard and others are easy mode. Very simple.
@@uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhidklegendary mode isn’t exactly a joke difficulty, it’s mire of a combination that happends when the ftw seed is mixed with master mode. Getfixedboi was made to be a joke and painful but yet also difficult. The only jone thing about legendary are the amount of enemies that can onehit you
On my latest run I discovered the digging molecart... Hands down my favorite way to deal with WoF cause the setup is SO effortless it can be done largely 1handed, yet you don't accidentally get stuck on stuff when you manage your jumps poorly. Zero campfires or whatever, just that rail, some basic potions and a Demon Scythe with a very lucky magic hat/mystic robe/ancient cobalt leggings combo (He even brought the Gray Zapinator and then also an orange one very early on in HM), accessories didn't matter that much, easiest WoF of my life.
Drawback is the iron cost, but I'm doing a slow playthrough on a large world anyway, trying to get some missing achievements etc.
Didn't end up needing that much track, and you can always have some lava walking at the end.
I had also already used tons of iron for iron bricks for my base, so I can see this working out just fine on more minimal runs. (Remember, 1 iron bar = 50 tracks)
I recommend mining above your cart in tight sections so you can jump a bit there, also so you don't have to be as precise with the Demon Scythe angle colliding.
I stupidly slowed down right at the end instead of just using my mini-map, so he actually managed to hit me for a more substantial amount... once. I think I did get some favorable luck, but if I dodged THIS much, it seems it should be consistent enough. Looking forward to more dodge testing when I farm him a bit! The perfectly straight track worked well with Demon Scythe.
I'm normally not a fan of doing bosses with minecarts btw., but for WoF, I feel it didn't really change the fight in a way I felt I was missing out on some action, mostly just a tedium reducer even compared to smoothing it out for lava walking.
I do use Beenades against the wall tp this day but only as a supplement to my main weapon to help get rid of the hungry for easier wall kills. I don't go out of my way to get a ton of beenades either. Just one kill from queen bee is usually enough to do the job to get ne enough for a 1st try wall kill.
It is for this reason (and being obtainable pre-boss) that I love Demon Scythe.
Terraria wiki has always been filled with strange nonsense. Extremely useful as a source of raw information, but take any opinions on there with at least 3 grains of salt. Its like the wiki editors have only played classic lol
Im taking my Informationen for granted but just because Im only looking up certain crafting recipies or which enemies drop specific items/weapons.
Like the wiki guides have no structure like at least put them in descending order of strongest to weakest and special role fillers on the side but the wiki guide seems to be putting things that u can beat it with this but it's not recommended
When I did my first terraria run, I'm happy I immediately fell onto the phoenix blaster for the WOF, it made the fight so much easier
In my opinion the beenades are still a great option as a supplement of sorts, like, if you play in coop with friends on expert, the loot bags disable the need to grind the queen bee that much if all of your party just dump all of your beenades onto one person, in my playthroughs it was usually a summoner or a melee person, letting them use the nades while other people use their own weapons
I haven't actually watched your wiki video yet, but I've been following that class setup guide for like a year as I do a long playthrough and it's been immensely useful for me not because I am new to the game, but just because I frequently don't remember what I need to be doing next or what my next weapons and stuff to aim for are 😂 I already know what I like to use and am comfortable with, I just need something to refer to to keep myself on track... finding that guide was a godsend lol
Some of the appeal from the beenades if *because* of how easy it is to use compared to alot of other weapons. I have many memories of beenades slaying the wall of flesh quickly when I had much trouble without them
something about the class guide might be that its a slightly wrong description of what it is.
I think its a great resource for players who arent familiar with the options you have at any given stage, as it points you towards what you might want to play with first.
and as long as you collect all the things, play with them and decide which ones work well when, youre doing it right.
personally I love the class guide when playing calamity because theres so much crap im not really familiar with, but you have to be willing to throw out the garbage and not listen to the guide like its gospel.
Its a GUIDE, it pushes you in the right direction, instead of walking you through the exact steps you should take
That last line especially is my biggest turnoff from the beenades
Calamitys class guides are so well done compared to the base game lol
Imo beenades are a good sidearm for when the wall of flesh is not hittable/ in a wall, but not the best as a main weapon. (for example at 4:45 you can throw beenades in front of the obsidian houses, while you can't shoot the wof directly)
Though there are weapons like the waterbolt that accomplish this but better
Honestly, the best use for Beenades dor the wall is the later parts when the wall is moving faster and faster, as you can dodge more effectively if you don't have to worry about hitting stuff
For me, i use the class setups page (mainly for modded situations) to see every item available for me in that class, in that time in progression. Allows me to experiment and find what i like the best
Bees are one of the things that make me wish there was a Weapon Tier Upgrade system that could upgrade weapons to have competitive numbers with their upgraded counterparts. Maybe not as hard as the Aqua Scepter in don't dig up worlds, which honestly starts feeling like a Moon Lord weapon, but enough that the archetypes that are present in the early game have meaningful presence in the late game. Bees fall off HARD, and some pre-Hardmode weapons don't even have a Hardmode equivalent. Like... the Grenade Launcher drops from Plantera; you could easily craft a Beenade Launcher using Beeswax and then upgrade that to endgame/postgame viability using Chlorophyte or Luminite.
NOT THE BEES!
Definitely a really great line at the end there. The games difficulty jumps up unlike any other boss in the game. Having a weapon that's decent for early hard more is definitely more useful than having a weapon set to kill wall in a decent manner.
my opinion is that if you have tried other weapons such as the ones you tested and you die before you can beat WoF, using beenades may help you beat the WoF because you can focus on dodging.
i never really understood the focus on dodging argument, like just point your cursor at the wall???? it's not like it's trying to dodge
I agree to an extent, but I think they should be more supplemental in that case rather than your primary weapon. Beenades are kind of annoying to farm, and you need to do it over and over if you die, but using them when the fight gets tough so you can DPS and dodge seems perfectly serviceable.
I did a legendary playthrough and even with all the imp banners I still died with the wall under 1000 hp every time. A large reason was because it got way too fast. I couldn't do enough dmg before it caught up. When I finally beat it, I did it by using the Phoenix Blaster till it was pretty low, then ran far away and started chucking beenades backwards. It worked very well. Also the more distance you have the less accurate the eye lasers will be by the time they get to you. Would recommend if you have trouble outpacing the wall.
@@JimKay_Officialfocus on /your/ dodging, you can't really just facetank all those lasers on higher difficulties
Literally every test in the video, except for trying to use hellwing's pierce and using Night's edge, are just running away while clicking in a general direction of the WoF
3:41 This really isn't a disadvantage for me, I use stone blocks exclusively for the wall, because it makes it possible (and frankly quite easy) to farm souls of light and/or night from the underworld.
I like the last sentence. Effectiveness in hardmode. Yeah they're ok against wof but what happens next?
I mean WoF gives a weapon
@@olixx1213 usually a very bad one though lmao
@@ShioSatou all of them are better then prehm weapons
@@olixx1213 the Breaker Blade definitely is not lmao
@@ShioSatou it's actually really good against most common HM enemies
It's definitly good enough to protect yourself until you get other stuff
I always used beenades to only get rid of hungries. I didn't played ranged much, but I almost always used star cannon, so I didn't wanted to waste stars to knockback hungries in some situations, so I just thrown some nades from 1-2 Qbees and switched to another option. And personally, I believe that this is the bst use for them now, since they are not your main weapon and you don't have to spend a slot for hive pack, and they do just fine against hungries with 1 shark tooth. I use them as other classes too if hungries get too crowded
In legendary mode I haven't bothered with beenades since I cba didn't want to farm the queen for too much.. I did farm her to make the healing tooth necklace though :)
Night's edge worked after a few tries! My only issue was not running fast enough at times :D
Magniluminescence is a game changer for running fast..
I used beenades to finish the wall off because of the speed problem. I got it low with the Phoenix blaster then ran far away and chucked beenades. It was probably my 15th attempt and it worked very well!
@@chriszg2332 Congrats :) I'm happy to hear there are multiple strategies.. at Legendary not a lot of things work like they did in Master or Expert.
I used beenades for the imps and hellwing bow otherwise. I used the golf cart for mobility against both queen bee and wof. Nights edge worked well against queen bee and with a proper arena farming her wasn’t a problem
One tip is to get the golf cart. If i remember correctly it is exactly as fast as the max speed of wof
I always used beenades to help clear out the hungry, although tbf that was before the night's edge's buff in 1.4.4 so
6:27 penguin games jumpscare lmao
"Its just a wall bro"
5:20 Do yourself a favor and make few sticky dynamites. Instant obsidian house removal
You can craft more beenades with beeswax from queen bee. I just finished a master mode playthrough and I killed Queen bee 3 times and all the mats and nades were MORE than enough to fight WoF twice with only beenades.
Youre absolutely right. When I look up a guide Im not looking for the 4th best option.
In my experience, it is still viable! I had just recently beaten the wall of flesh for the first time on master mode using nothing but beenades and the bee gun as well!
My only method of buffing potion being the iron skin potion and the medium fed buff from a pumpkin pie.
In the last effort, though, as I was running out of beenades, I did use the hive pack which helped significantly!
3:50 This wasn't a problem for me as I had used ice platforms and stone blocks at least a block distance underneath them so that I could keep walking! For some reason [note I am using the mobile edition of terraria I don't own a computer] My Play style is a bit crooked so sometimes when I'm trying to send Some reinforcing damage; I accidentally slide my thumb downward, which causes me to fall through the platforms. So I have a slightly gapped Stone bridge underneath it so that I don't fall right into lava. [The reason i say slightly gapped is because i punched a few holes in so that lava can seep through if any lava slime decided to ruin my day]
So even if bees went through garden planters, it wouldn't matter because I wasn't using garden planters anyhow...
Also, farming Queen bee was no problem for me Because the wall of flesh was the only boss I needed to beat anyhow. I already had molten armor and I took a lot of advice from the Defense video, so it was very difficult for me to die to Queen bee at all. I had started with like what, 37 summons? It was very quick to defeat and I done it a lot of times it's a very good strategy or pre-hardmode for getting a lot of platinum coins...
By the end of it all, I had 792 beenades and had enough bee wax necessary to create 800 more. And about thirty platinum coins, So buying the grenades was not an issue.
Queen bee is easily the easiest boss to farm PH do to easily craftable summon and statue strats
All menacing accessory with Night edge and potions goes brrrrrrrrrrr
babe, wake up, new sorbet cafe video just dropped
I'm thinking if constantly swapping beenades with a different weapon would be a better strategy because when only beenades are used there is a lot of bees just sitting on the wall unable to do damage due to i-frames
That’s exactly what I was thinking the entire time. Something like the bee’s knees, so you can profit off of that hive pack and necro armor range bonus.
@@imperix88 Prob just use phoenix blaster, bees knees isn't too good
@@Nyan4Eon I just thought that using bees knees wouldn’t be that bad an idea because you already have the hive pack equipped, why not more bees?
@@imperix88 I doubt the bees from both will stack, meaning you will likely reach Bee saturation and not do any extra damage due to i-frame cap.
3:42 i always make stone block arena because in hardmode it can infect and help farm souls and mimic, also crystal shards grow as well
Thats actually genius.
It's a nice bonus, but if you don't need the arena then just use water walking + obsidian skin and then build the farm yourself later on
@@Tempestissiman wof is difficult without arena, the long and straight bridge helps unlike being crashed into the houses
@@TheLusion On the outer regions houses don't spawn so I just fight the wall there. If things go well it dies before reaching the houses region. Of course making an arena will help a ton if you're struggling with the boss (I always make one on legendary)
@@Tempestissiman idk i don't speedrun and it's not problem for me, also why later if i can do it before hardmode and realtively fast, especially plantera arena, at least it's better than being one-shooted by a tortoise
The Hellwing Bow can also still use other arrows too by the way, the bow doesn't override any other arrow beyond wooden arrows, the rest get fired as usual.
That said, how much more or less effective is the hellwing bow when used with a stronger arrow, such as Hellfire, Unholy, or Jester arrows?
Hellfire arrows is very effective with that bow. It shoots with a high fire rate
hey, great video, i wanted to add that beenades should be seen more like a support weapon, i think using them alongside many of the other powerfull weapons that u mentioned could really shorten the time by keeping bees on the available part of the wall and not spaming
They are craftable too. This heavily reduces the amount of QBs required. Either that, or I am dumb which is likely.
I've started building a queen bee farm in all of my world's using the statue trick you showed. You can kill a queen bee like every three seconds and the spawns are very easy to make.
10 minutes of farming and selling the drops gets you easily 10 plat.
So I have a lot of beenades laying around. But I do agree with the point of the video.
Even if the beenades aren't great anymore ill usually have a few laying around after a few queen bee fights. Best case scenario is they take out the hungry and get some chip damage or to get that final bit of health down from the wall when it starts to speed up and getting close with melee isn't as safe. I think they get their job as support done well enough
I like to use the bow queen bee drops. Summons bees when normal arrows are used.
Doing a notthebees playthrough only using bee items. This video will hopefully be a lifesaver once I reach WOF
At least my first few times around, I just defeated WoF with regular Grenades.
Underrated weapon honestly. There're obviously way better options for WoF in particular. But at least for me, they kinda trivialize most of prehardmode, and are serviceable against WoF. While also being super easy to get. Very good for exploration as well, especially in underground desert.
I remember when the water bolt used to be the meta for this boss.
where molten fury with jester arrows//// its my go to build for the wall its basicly just a star cannon
Beenades were really useful for me against legendary mode wof because they homed in on the fire imps and allowed me to run away and aim for the eyes/mouth with my hellwing bow
I have always used them alongside my real weapons and theyve worked quite well for that
I always used to play throwing for pre-hardmode, then switch to another class once in hardmode. Haven't actually used beenades since throwing got gutted :(
i usually used beenades with the beegun because this meant more bees, but throwable class is gone anyways
I look at it this way: I need to build an arena for Plantera, so instead of waiting for hardmode, I make one right away in pre-hardmode and use it to farm queen bee. I get a lot of beenades (plus the ones I can craft), I use the gold to buy the grenades required and a couple more of other stuff, and then I use all of it to defeat the wall of flesh easily by just spamming the drop button (after building a long dirt road of course). I don't need to worry about the terrain being perfectly leveled and I can use the arena I built to fight plantera later, so I kill to bees in one shot (or birds). The only problem is that yes, you need a lot in master mode, I think I needed 300 or something last time I tried, although I forgot how many exactly. That's the only downside. Still a viable option. I don't care about my WoF arena not being made of pots or whatever because, honestly, it's cheaper and easier for me to just use the dirt I got after digging the hellevator. Surely I will have some clay lying around as well but... I'll probably have way more dirt and stone. So that's also not a problem.
Also if I play master mode, I will most likely be using grenades at the beginning so I will most likely have quite a few to upgrade to beenades. In the end, beenades is the META for me, because of the way I play the game.
Imagine not using ice throwing fish against WoF
I 100% agree with you, I have a "themed" character save that "roleplay" as a bee king called "Beemigen" and I played that character a lot in a "not the bees" a lot
So I have basically infinite beenade and sometime I try play normally using that caharacter, and it's pretty bad lol
The only reason I use beenade is because I have basicaly infinite supply of it
Edit: not saying it isn't fun, it is ACTUALLY quite fun, that's why I use it a lot, but still isn't good tho
I just periodically throw them to deal with hungries while I use nights edge or Phoenix blaster to kill him
Ease of use is pretty important for a guide if you ask me, since a new player is probably reading it
I was literally just wondering yesterday if Beenades were still good against the WoF lmao perfect timing
I like them cause i place blocks above lava. I have mobility and good dmg from bees. Plus journey mode or multiplayer makes farming easy.
3:45 if you use beenades as a supporting weapon instead of actual damage, you can simply use platforms, and occasionally throw beenades at buildings for some good burst. If you use it like that, which is how you are supposed to use it and how most people use it, you only need around 30-40 nades which is only a couple bee kills
do NOT use the muramasa with shadow armor against the wall,you will die,i repeat do NOT use muramasa with shadow armor against the wall,i speak from experience
Lmfao
I still like to use whatever beenades I happened to get from fight queen bee once or twice, but yeah other weapons are must better as the primary weapon.
I wonder if using them in conjunction with the Phoenix Blaster would be a big hit to the overall damage for the Phoenix. As in, just tossing a few in in-between shots
there was only ever one use for the medusa head
before it was nerfed and when it could drop at anytime it did great damage, but it really shined against the ads from queen bee
toooooooo bad it sucks now. :
i do always bring my beenades I've gotten to the fight. the additional damage never hurts.
6:56 so the ones that won awards are the Orange Zapinator and Razorblade Typhoon?
Edit: the Zapinators are overrated. Bubble Gun.
I honestly like using stone for my hellbridge,makes farming in hollow and corrupiton easy in the underworld
So beenades can be viable (altough i prefer the star cannon) and they are craftable
Remember the time when i was new to terraria and hyper ass at it,chucked 20 beenades at accidentally spawned WOF,died to lava,WOF vanished
accidental discovery of hardmode
couldnt you also craft bee nades out of the Material queen bee dropps so you dont have to grind as much?
I still use beenades if I have them on ranger runs to this day for wall, but I can’t really see myself using them for the whole fight. However I will say that in my experience they tend to deal with the hungry fairly well, though I’m sure there’s better options for that too - hellwing bow especially, given its piercing and ease of obtaining ammo.
hellwing was my favorite wall killer.
I enjoy using summoner for WOF, obsidian armour, snapthorn and spinal tap whip mixing, with frogs for your summon, it is really easy :))
personally i always make my arena out of stone (I dont use beenades) because then I get a 0 efforts light and night soul farm because the 1 block thick stone is enough to make all enemies drop souls
me who used nights edge on an eye and its mouth to beat WoF for the first time in classic :
I'd say their still good as a combo item, I got about 30 since I killed her twice and am planning to just use them in harder spots of hell where I need to run or as a spam tool. Like a grenade in shooters something you pair with a primary
Honestly I've always made oversized wof arenas with blocks anyway and like you said they're the easiest to use so I'll stick with them 💪 was a super well made informative video tho
I used beenades on the Wall as like a secondary thing, id throw a few when the terrain wasn't ideal for the Phoenix Blaster or whatever weapons I had (aka no line of sight but terrain worked fine for the bees). My dps would stay pretty consistent so the pressure that the fight exerts upon me, especially when im not attacking, decreased a lot. I never used Only Beenades since I found grinding Queen Bee to be hella annoying and time consuming, and I hate consumeables in general.