Hey Dominic. Am reviewing the options for Axis, all of these wings you reviewed are on the larger size work with AXIS Red series fuses. PNG in particular 1310, 1300, 1050 all work with red only. Are you still using Red fuses? I figure on your journey of getting better and trying smaller wings i would imagine you would soon move to black series. Also, AXIS there are soooo many fuse options its crazy, i don't even know where to begin with sizing fuses. With their masts, different story, its a no brainer the aluminum is 1/10th the cost of their pre-peg carbon. But i'd rather spend the extra $$$ on the Cedrus setup eventually.
Hi there. I have actually been using the smaller foils for quite a while now, such as the 910, 890, 850, 999, 899 and 799, so if you have any questions about those just let me know. The advance fuses are awesome but I agree that the choice can make it confusing. Again I'm happy to help if you want. BTW the 1050 (HPS) is on the black fuse. Did you mean the PNG 1010?
@@dominichoskyns9091 yeah I meant the PNG 1010 works with red fuse. Thanks for the help. Awesome that you have sampled all of these smaller wings. I am fairly new to foiling so have been on a C9 F38 for last 5 months and slowly learning. This is a 1330 cm^2 wing. Its not HA, kind of fat in the middle and C9 range is fairly limited on wing/fuse/stab options so was considering switching to AXIS eventually but as you are aware these toys are not cheap so been using the axis 2022 catalog to review best options for prone foiling . Im 83KG and boards I have vary from 31L, 34L, 45L, right now. I only Foil with FD plus on the 45L. Initially looking for something that will allow me to practice pumping and carving in smaller surf (1-3 foot Hawaiian). So far its been between the PNG1010 or the HPS1050 to start with. If I go PNG 1010 then I will need the red fuse and future options to scale down become limited. Been leaning towards the HPS1050 which is compatible with black fuse and gives more options to eventually scale down to smaller HPS or ART wings. At the moment for my first AXIS setup am looking to go HPS1050, black advanced ultrashort fuse, progressive 450 stab and AXIS 82cm 19" aluminum mast. Don't know why I chose this particular fuse and stab, probably because I saw Victor Harris on a similar setup and figured I would start around there. Eventually probably end up getting 2-3 stabs to cover smaller size range and then work my way down to HPS 980, HPS 880, then hopefully try some ARTs. My ultimate end goal is to be able to surf small point break style waves and do mainly carving. Zero interest in winging, towing, dock starts. Slight interest in down winding eventually, figure ART series would be good for that.
@@dkschrei except for the p450 stab I totally agree with all your choices of equipment, the HPS1050 will be great for you in small waves, (the 1010 will be too slow) and the smaller hps foils perfect as the waves get progressively bigger. Victor only uses the p450 because he mostly does flat water pumping, and the swell/waves in dubai are tiny and slow compared to what you'll get in Hawaii. It gives lots of lift and it's great for pumping which helps him do what he does in dubai, but it's really slow and limits maneuverability a lot. I would advise starting with the p400 as it still pumps great but it's faster and turns much better. I started using the p400, then quickly went over to the p350 and used that for ages because it still pumps ok but the surf and maneuverability are again improved, which is better in the surf. Now I'm on the p300, and p275 occasionally when the waves are big. When you get used to them, small fuses are the bomb, but they can take a bit of getting used to
Wing foiling in light wind, I have noticed the TK 1095 needing a light scoochy bounce for takeoffs which is tricky when knee starting in the surf. If the glide and turning wasn’t so incredible I wouldn’t go through the trouble. Having a Foil drive assist Plus would be a dream... Great review
Good video Dominic. Question, I have the ART999 and Kujira 1095. Assume no wind or swell, I know the Kujira will get up easier with less board speed required, but wondering which of the 2 would use less battery power/throttle in eFoil mode as both are so efficient 🤔I suppose the ART will be less draggy and have more top speed. On a 90l board btw (I'm 79kg).
I would hazard a guess that they would be almost identical in terms of battery duration. The 1095 is actually more comparable with the 899 rather than the 999 in terms of size, but its performance is almost in the middle of those two ART foils. If I had to choose one I would say the 999 would give you a little more time with each charge, but if you find the 1095 easier to get on foil then that cancels out any gains there, so really there's not going to be much in it at all. Sorry 🙄😅
Your videos have been SO helpful in my decision to get an Assist Plus! I'm 80kg, currently riding a 115L board and a Takuma LOL Profoil 1900 in a light-wind minimal wave area like yours. I'm considering moving to a new more efficient foil with the goals of fun battery-conserving flat-water efoiling and light-wind wingfoil assist. I'm wondering what you think about the role of foil speed in very light-wind assisted winging. The LOL is not fast, and I'm wondering if a smaller, faster HA foil would generate more apparent wind for 5-10 knot winging? Have you noticed that faster wings that may use more battery and ooching getting up to foil speed actually perform better winging in marginal winds than the big foils? The Kujira 1440 sounds like a nice compromise wing for this scenario but I'm also staring at the ART 1099 and Kujira 1210 as it might be fun to have more contrast to my current 1900.
The 1440 is an epic foil. It's one of my favourite foils for use with FoilDrive because its got a lot of lift and a very low stall speed which means it doesn't drain the battery too fast, but it's also very maneuverable, especially when paired with the right rear stab (13" kdmaui or even better the Mike Pedigo tail which shortens the fuselage). The smaller foils you have mentioned will reduce the battery life considerably because they use so much more power to get them on foil and to stay on foil. I have to have the trigger at) 80-85% to cruise with the 1440 but i have to have the trigger at 95% to cruise with foils like the 1099 and 1210. The same is true for light wind winging. A smaller foil may be faster but they need more speed and therefore more power (in this case wind) to keep them above their stall speed. The 1440 is a great light wind option and you will notice a huge difference between the 1440 and the 1900 both in speed and maneuverability. Of course even the 1440 pales into insignificance for light wind performance and battery duration when efoiling with the Axis PNG1300 or 1150, but you might not want to go that big as they will probably perform very close to your 1900
would you ever consider using a paddle with a 50-60L board to help you get up? I want to get up on the smallest board possible to ride waves. I'm wondering if I could pull that off with a 50L board, ART 1099 and a paddle at 95kg. I also have an Armstrong 1850 if the ART is just too small.
Do you mean with or without FoilDrive? With FoilDrive then yes, but without, then I very much doubt it. If you're used to paddling a SUP surf or foil board that's 40ltrs less than your body weight then yes, in theory you could, but if you're not used to it then I suspect it'll be so difficult you'll curse the day you had the idea🤣. To give you an idea of how difficult it is, the only person I know who is capable of doing that is Derek Hamasaki, and a perhaps a few other watermen from Hawaii. And James Casey. I suppose they prove it's possible, but unfortunately unless your fitness and skills are up there with theirs, I don't fancy your chances 😂 I would certainly never be able to do it in a million years, but please don't let me put you off from trying, a lot of people can do plenty of things that I can't - besides, you can't until you can 💪💪😎🤙
Wow! Just got mine except I ordered the wrong mast attachment. I want to use the 1800 HA bc my next step up is 2450 LA which is just dull (at least for winging). I’ll report back my efoiling times. I’m 100kg
OMG! More and more info on the mysterious new front wing, aka „The mega wing for flat water pumping“ (they called it like this in one of Larry Foilers videos). It goes onto the red fuse, has more surface area than the 1300. Piece by piece it reveals itself 😂
The short answer - longer without FoilDrive. The long answer is...Before I broke my ankle I was training hard and I reached the stage (through LOTS of sustained effort) I could pump for about 2.5 minutes - using the PNG1300. Since then I haven't got my fitness back to that level and I can probably only pump for about 1.5 minutes at the very most. TBH I have no desire to train that hard again, partly because of my age (52), injuries, time (work/family etc) and partly because having FoilDrive means I can do more foiling for less effort!!!!! FoilDrive adds weight to your setup (although not much, 2.4kg with the small battery or 3.4kg with the large battery) and any weight will make it harder to pump. However, I'm having way more fun by using FoilDrive to do my pump training - instead of being on foil for between 1 - 2 minutes (average flat water pump time without FoilDrive) and having to start again at my ladder/dock each time (which can only really be done in flat water), I'm on foil pretty much continuously for 30 minutes to 1 hour, doing a mixture of pumping and efoiling. If I fall it's no effort to get back on foil, I don't have to paddle back to the starting point, and I can also get on foil in swell or waves, using foils much smaller than dock starting would ever allow, so for me it's a no brainer. I'm connecting sooooooo many waves than I could ever hope to connect because basically I'm cheating - I'm still pumping to connect waves wherever possible but I'm also using FoilDrive to save me from coming off foil if I make a mistake or if I run out of gas. That's a very long winded explanation for why I'm not really doing much dock starting/flat water pumping (without FoilDrive) any more!!!!!
Thanks for the great video! I’d like to learn efoiling on a lake. Would it work to only go downwind (and go upwind with a boat) to not overheath the battery as a beginner? I am a bit scared to use the throttle to much and damage the esc and battery as a beginner 😋 I am using a gong alvator XL, a big board and am considering an Axis 1150 with foildrive😉 Could it work if I’m carefull or do I need an actual efoil? Thanks in advance!
The assist plus is designed to be used constantly or as a partial assist so it can be used as a full efoil (motor at bottom of the mast) or as an assist with the motor close to the board. This is the main benefit of FoilDrive as opposed to a permanent efoil, and much cheaper as well. It's excellent for downwinding as well as windless days on flat water. Check out the other videos on my TH-cam channel to see what I've been using it for
@@dominichoskyns9091 thank you! I ask it also because of the text on the Foildrive website (also the plus version): “It's important to remember the intended purpose of the Foil Drive is an assistance motor, not a full-time e-foil. To be able to produce a system at this size, weight, and cost does limit the system's maximum speed. Flat water foiling with a high load above 90% throttle consistently is not recommended”. Keep up the nice video’s! I know you use them for different purposes, but you are the expert and I am a beginner 😛
@@wiepkjedegroot yeah I expect they have to put that as a disclaimer but the reality is that everyone uses the assist plus for full efoiling, although I can see that it would be a good idea to stop occasionally and let it rest/cool for a few minutes rather than run it non-stop for the full battery charge. Luckily most of us fall at least a few times each session so that eliminates the need to stop voluntarily 🤣🤣🤣
@@dominichoskyns9091 last question: what would be the high end of the 1150 PNG for me at 63 kg with a Tiny wing for wingfoiling on a lake? Thanks in advance! 😀
175 on rider with FoilDRIVE assst plus with small battery, Naish 85L board, 1400 HA front wing, 95cm carbon mast. 5M wing in 5 to 20 knots of wind. Used assist to motor out of doldrums spot and back to wind line. Works great. 77% battery left back to where I started. San Francisco Bay. Relive: www.relive.cc/view/vYvrL9ee9L6
Hey Dominic. Am reviewing the options for Axis, all of these wings you reviewed are on the larger size work with AXIS Red series fuses. PNG in particular 1310, 1300, 1050 all work with red only. Are you still using Red fuses? I figure on your journey of getting better and trying smaller wings i would imagine you would soon move to black series. Also, AXIS there are soooo many fuse options its crazy, i don't even know where to begin with sizing fuses. With their masts, different story, its a no brainer the aluminum is 1/10th the cost of their pre-peg carbon. But i'd rather spend the extra $$$ on the Cedrus setup eventually.
Hi there. I have actually been using the smaller foils for quite a while now, such as the 910, 890, 850, 999, 899 and 799, so if you have any questions about those just let me know. The advance fuses are awesome but I agree that the choice can make it confusing. Again I'm happy to help if you want.
BTW the 1050 (HPS) is on the black fuse. Did you mean the PNG 1010?
@@dominichoskyns9091 yeah I meant the PNG 1010 works with red fuse. Thanks for the help. Awesome that you have sampled all of these smaller wings. I am fairly new to foiling so have been on a C9 F38 for last 5 months and slowly learning. This is a 1330 cm^2 wing. Its not HA, kind of fat in the middle and C9 range is fairly limited on wing/fuse/stab options so was considering switching to AXIS eventually but as you are aware these toys are not cheap so been using the axis 2022 catalog to review best options for prone foiling . Im 83KG and boards I have vary from 31L, 34L, 45L, right now. I only Foil with FD plus on the 45L. Initially looking for something that will allow me to practice pumping and carving in smaller surf (1-3 foot Hawaiian). So far its been between the PNG1010 or the HPS1050 to start with. If I go PNG 1010 then I will need the red fuse and future options to scale down become limited. Been leaning towards the HPS1050 which is compatible with black fuse and gives more options to eventually scale down to smaller HPS or ART wings. At the moment for my first AXIS setup am looking to go HPS1050, black advanced ultrashort fuse, progressive 450 stab and AXIS 82cm 19" aluminum mast. Don't know why I chose this particular fuse and stab, probably because I saw Victor Harris on a similar setup and figured I would start around there. Eventually probably end up getting 2-3 stabs to cover smaller size range and then work my way down to HPS 980, HPS 880, then hopefully try some ARTs. My ultimate end goal is to be able to surf small point break style waves and do mainly carving. Zero interest in winging, towing, dock starts. Slight interest in down winding eventually, figure ART series would be good for that.
@@dkschrei except for the p450 stab I totally agree with all your choices of equipment, the HPS1050 will be great for you in small waves, (the 1010 will be too slow) and the smaller hps foils perfect as the waves get progressively bigger. Victor only uses the p450 because he mostly does flat water pumping, and the swell/waves in dubai are tiny and slow compared to what you'll get in Hawaii. It gives lots of lift and it's great for pumping which helps him do what he does in dubai, but it's really slow and limits maneuverability a lot. I would advise starting with the p400 as it still pumps great but it's faster and turns much better. I started using the p400, then quickly went over to the p350 and used that for ages because it still pumps ok but the surf and maneuverability are again improved, which is better in the surf. Now I'm on the p300, and p275 occasionally when the waves are big. When you get used to them, small fuses are the bomb, but they can take a bit of getting used to
Wing foiling in light wind, I have noticed the TK 1095 needing a light scoochy bounce for takeoffs which is tricky when knee starting in the surf. If the glide and turning wasn’t so incredible I wouldn’t go through the trouble. Having a Foil drive assist Plus would be a dream... Great review
Thanks for the great reviews and comparisons.
My pleasure. Thanks for the positive comment😊
Good video Dominic. Question, I have the ART999 and Kujira 1095. Assume no wind or swell, I know the Kujira will get up easier with less board speed required, but wondering which of the 2 would use less battery power/throttle in eFoil mode as both are so efficient 🤔I suppose the ART will be less draggy and have more top speed. On a 90l board btw (I'm 79kg).
I would hazard a guess that they would be almost identical in terms of battery duration. The 1095 is actually more comparable with the 899 rather than the 999 in terms of size, but its performance is almost in the middle of those two ART foils. If I had to choose one I would say the 999 would give you a little more time with each charge, but if you find the 1095 easier to get on foil then that cancels out any gains there, so really there's not going to be much in it at all. Sorry 🙄😅
Your videos have been SO helpful in my decision to get an Assist Plus! I'm 80kg, currently riding a 115L board and a Takuma LOL Profoil 1900 in a light-wind minimal wave area like yours. I'm considering moving to a new more efficient foil with the goals of fun battery-conserving flat-water efoiling and light-wind wingfoil assist.
I'm wondering what you think about the role of foil speed in very light-wind assisted winging. The LOL is not fast, and I'm wondering if a smaller, faster HA foil would generate more apparent wind for 5-10 knot winging? Have you noticed that faster wings that may use more battery and ooching getting up to foil speed actually perform better winging in marginal winds than the big foils?
The Kujira 1440 sounds like a nice compromise wing for this scenario but I'm also staring at the ART 1099 and Kujira 1210 as it might be fun to have more contrast to my current 1900.
The 1440 is an epic foil. It's one of my favourite foils for use with FoilDrive because its got a lot of lift and a very low stall speed which means it doesn't drain the battery too fast, but it's also very maneuverable, especially when paired with the right rear stab (13" kdmaui or even better the Mike Pedigo tail which shortens the fuselage). The smaller foils you have mentioned will reduce the battery life considerably because they use so much more power to get them on foil and to stay on foil. I have to have the trigger at) 80-85% to cruise with the 1440 but i have to have the trigger at 95% to cruise with foils like the 1099 and 1210. The same is true for light wind winging. A smaller foil may be faster but they need more speed and therefore more power (in this case wind) to keep them above their stall speed. The 1440 is a great light wind option and you will notice a huge difference between the 1440 and the 1900 both in speed and maneuverability. Of course even the 1440 pales into insignificance for light wind performance and battery duration when efoiling with the Axis PNG1300 or 1150, but you might not want to go that big as they will probably perform very close to your 1900
@@dominichoskyns9091 Super helpful, thanks. Will take a look at those tails as well!
would you ever consider using a paddle with a 50-60L board to help you get up? I want to get up on the smallest board possible to ride waves. I'm wondering if I could pull that off with a 50L board, ART 1099 and a paddle at 95kg. I also have an Armstrong 1850 if the ART is just too small.
Do you mean with or without FoilDrive? With FoilDrive then yes, but without, then I very much doubt it. If you're used to paddling a SUP surf or foil board that's 40ltrs less than your body weight then yes, in theory you could, but if you're not used to it then I suspect it'll be so difficult you'll curse the day you had the idea🤣. To give you an idea of how difficult it is, the only person I know who is capable of doing that is Derek Hamasaki, and a perhaps a few other watermen from Hawaii. And James Casey. I suppose they prove it's possible, but unfortunately unless your fitness and skills are up there with theirs, I don't fancy your chances 😂 I would certainly never be able to do it in a million years, but please don't let me put you off from trying, a lot of people can do plenty of things that I can't - besides, you can't until you can 💪💪😎🤙
Wow! Just got mine except I ordered the wrong mast attachment. I want to use the 1800 HA bc my next step up is 2450 LA which is just dull (at least for winging). I’ll report back my efoiling times. I’m 100kg
Yes, please report back, I'd love to hear how you get on
Brilliant videos, thanks very helpful
OMG! More and more info on the mysterious new front wing, aka „The mega wing for flat water pumping“ (they called it like this in one of Larry Foilers videos). It goes onto the red fuse, has more surface area than the 1300. Piece by piece it reveals itself 😂
Ironically the number of your subscribers matches the mega wings' span to the millimeter right now!
What is the longest time you can flatwater pump with foil drive and without foil drive? Same setup
The short answer - longer without FoilDrive. The long answer is...Before I broke my ankle I was training hard and I reached the stage (through LOTS of sustained effort) I could pump for about 2.5 minutes - using the PNG1300. Since then I haven't got my fitness back to that level and I can probably only pump for about 1.5 minutes at the very most. TBH I have no desire to train that hard again, partly because of my age (52), injuries, time (work/family etc) and partly because having FoilDrive means I can do more foiling for less effort!!!!! FoilDrive adds weight to your setup (although not much, 2.4kg with the small battery or 3.4kg with the large battery) and any weight will make it harder to pump. However, I'm having way more fun by using FoilDrive to do my pump training - instead of being on foil for between 1 - 2 minutes (average flat water pump time without FoilDrive) and having to start again at my ladder/dock each time (which can only really be done in flat water), I'm on foil pretty much continuously for 30 minutes to 1 hour, doing a mixture of pumping and efoiling. If I fall it's no effort to get back on foil, I don't have to paddle back to the starting point, and I can also get on foil in swell or waves, using foils much smaller than dock starting would ever allow, so for me it's a no brainer. I'm connecting sooooooo many waves than I could ever hope to connect because basically I'm cheating - I'm still pumping to connect waves wherever possible but I'm also using FoilDrive to save me from coming off foil if I make a mistake or if I run out of gas. That's a very long winded explanation for why I'm not really doing much dock starting/flat water pumping (without FoilDrive) any more!!!!!
Thanks for the great video! I’d like to learn efoiling on a lake. Would it work to only go downwind (and go upwind with a boat) to not overheath the battery as a beginner? I am a bit scared to use the throttle to much and damage the esc and battery as a beginner 😋 I am using a gong alvator XL, a big board and am considering an Axis 1150 with foildrive😉 Could it work if I’m carefull or do I need an actual efoil? Thanks in advance!
The assist plus is designed to be used constantly or as a partial assist so it can be used as a full efoil (motor at bottom of the mast) or as an assist with the motor close to the board. This is the main benefit of FoilDrive as opposed to a permanent efoil, and much cheaper as well.
It's excellent for downwinding as well as windless days on flat water. Check out the other videos on my TH-cam channel to see what I've been using it for
@@dominichoskyns9091 thank you! I ask it also because of the text on the Foildrive website (also the plus version): “It's important to remember the intended purpose of the Foil Drive is an assistance motor, not a full-time e-foil. To be able to produce a system at this size, weight, and cost does limit the system's maximum speed. Flat water foiling with a high load above 90% throttle consistently is not recommended”. Keep up the nice video’s! I know you use them for different purposes, but you are the expert and I am a beginner 😛
@@wiepkjedegroot yeah I expect they have to put that as a disclaimer but the reality is that everyone uses the assist plus for full efoiling, although I can see that it would be a good idea to stop occasionally and let it rest/cool for a few minutes rather than run it non-stop for the full battery charge. Luckily most of us fall at least a few times each session so that eliminates the need to stop voluntarily 🤣🤣🤣
@@dominichoskyns9091 last question: what would be the high end of the 1150 PNG for me at 63 kg with a Tiny wing for wingfoiling on a lake? Thanks in advance! 😀
My brother is 85kg and he needs the bigger wing (and we share the gear)
Was it the Assist plus?
Yes
Did you use a mic this time? The audio quality sounds like sound system ready
Want wanna these ,hoping the price will drop , maybe a pay monthly option and or paypal option 🤙
175 on rider with FoilDRIVE assst plus with small battery, Naish 85L board, 1400 HA front wing, 95cm carbon mast. 5M wing in 5 to 20 knots of wind. Used assist to motor out of doldrums spot and back to wind line. Works great. 77% battery left back to where I started. San Francisco Bay. Relive: www.relive.cc/view/vYvrL9ee9L6
Awesome. Time for a small battery 😉