“Was it literally that close…minutes…” No, it was days, but did you notice that when Julie “saw” Miller, he was wearing the hat… the hat he left on Ceres?
There is a concept to use graphene to store data. Like the graphite of a pencil, it's made entirely out of carbon. If you would put a microscopic graphene drive into a pencil, it would be pretty much undetectable and appear identical to ordinary pencil graphite. I think a pencil USB stick could actually work.
The greatest thing about this show is how it manages to keep things escalating from bad, to worse, to worst, to worster, ... And it always feels like a natural progression, not the writers just making something up out of thin air.
Every time we saw Frank DeGraaf, he was writing in a paper notebook with pencils; Avasarala knew her old friend wasn't merely eccentric. The information Avasarala got from Frank's pencils verifies Fred Johnson's accusation that the stealth ships were built by Earth. She is the only person on Earth with proof that Johnson was telling the truth. Do you remember when Miller nabbed the water thief and the thief mentioned that the Griegas had left Ceres? The one gangster who spiked Havelock said that was a "going away present." We learn with Miller that the Ceres gangsters went to Eros under the pay Julie's father. Yes, one of the clever methods of this story that the audience and the characters learn things at about the same time. The writers don't hid anything from the audience that the main characters know.
I keep forgetting that I've subscribed to your reactions to the Expanse and then I new one pops up on Sunday morning just when it's time for coffee. It's so good to rewatch this fantastic series through fresh eyes. Until next week!
Wow... I am always noticing new things in this show. This time I noticed Fred said the data came from the WREKAGE of the Donnager, thus avoiding the topic of the Tachi completely. Man... the writing in this show is so thought out! Makes me wonder what happened to Lopez. I assume he was never returned to Mars, that would be asking for too many questions.
@@Mannchini Hmmm, Are you saying Mars knew Lopez was on the Donnie, or on the Tachi, because yeah, the former they would know. Actually, now that I think about it, saying it came from the wreckage would be problematic, as the Donnager did supernova itself. I have no idea how you'd get a data cube from that, lol. It would have had to be flown away.
Staying faithful (kind of) to the much more detailed and complex story in the books really helps to make series good - be faithful to the brilliant source material, you get a good series.
So Julie is Lionel Polanski. That was a cover name to be used on the mission. Julie was OPA and got Anderson Daws to allocate the Scopuli to the mission to intercept the Anuibis. Julie learned something bad for the belt was coming on the Anubis by snooping corporate files. Likely after getting a warning from her dad "Leave the belt. Something bad is coming your way". The Anuibis was on a course from Phoebe (a moon of Jupiter) to Eros (a belt asteroid). Julie has apparently, effectively, completed the transport of the substance to Eros. Keep an ear out for mentions of Phoebe.
I think it was said that Fred supplied the ship (without knowing exactly for who) and Dawes supplied the crew. That's why Fred sent the Roci to try to find the mystery Lionel.
@@MattNolanCustom Yep. Julie's an unreliable narrator here, thinking no one came, but with Ceres rioting from the wreck of the Cant, Anderson Dawes had to focus efforts there (for all he knew, she was safe to ride things out on Eros for a bit while awaiting exfil), and Fred was left with his role of supplying a ship...and then the Roci and its crew arrive practically gift-wrapped for the task.
The thing I love about this show is how deep most characters are, not good, not bad especially if you consider that "bad" is a point of view. Damn Mary you made me wanna re-watch the entire show. 😎
I can guarantee, few people (especially amongst reactors) seem to question her taking the pencils or what they could be (or at least think it odd/sentimental of her), and for good reason! The show doesn't give clues or hints for their purpose, and we (as people who have and regularly use pencils) wouldn't think twice about them either! It makes sense in hindsight, especially in such a tech future, that pencils wouldn't fit into the current landscape, but I certainly didn't think they'd have data cores on em myself. Avasarala is a very complicated character, and I do think she was being sincere with de Graaf's partner as much as she was snooping, like with Holden's mom. She has a goal and will go to some far lengths to reach it, but she also is pretty sincere with a lot of the things she says. I also do wonder if, when she saw that drop of blood on his desk, if it got her mind whirring to other possibilities, but I'd like to think she had multiple motives for her visit
Hint, and not at all a spoiler: What did Miller look like in the final moments of Julie's life? What did Julie see that Miller had with him? What conversations did Julie hear when she was dying -- and how could she have heard them? 🤔 And: What did Miller *look like* when he finally found her? 😯
The bossy lady who seized Julie was dwelt upon by the show to establish that she was already infected when Julie was captured. That's what the "is it hot in here?" part was about.
"Wow, Avasarala is showing a sensitive side and her humanity by honoring her friend... Oh, nevermind... " "Jules Pierre Mao just saw horrific pictures of his daughter and must be so torn... Oh, nevermind..."
For everyone that has seen the entire series, something just popped into my head. That is NOT Miller that Julie sees in her vision as she’s dying. If you know what I mean, don’t spoil it. Mull it over in your head and let it sink in. What it means. Because if I’m right… holy shit my brain just melted.
The sheer amount of work every scene does where it’s at least two of exposition, character development, setup, or payoff is amazing. They stumbled a bit in the first few.
Hi Mary. Enjoying your reactions a lot. I think (at the moment I am typing at least) that you have an S1E10 fingernail for this video, but the video is S1E9.
I’m curious. The belters are linguistically based on South Africans. Their English has a South African accent, but more. And they have added a lot of Afrikaans words, like they’ve merged those two languages together. Since Afrikaans is bad Dutch (the way Italian is bad Latin), and you speak Dutch… what’s it like? I studied French and German in college, a little. 30 years ago. So when I was in Rotterdam, public signs made sense. (Once I figured out how Dutch pronounces Gs and Js, anyway.) And signs in Spain made sense because they’re close enough to French. But I can’t understand Afrikaans, except the few words that the South African accent in English has borrowed a few words. I lived next to Louisiana for over ten years. I speak English and (kind of) French. The Cajun accent in Louisiana is just those two crushed together… I can barely understand them. Accents are weird.
Jarred Harris based his Belter accent on Afrikaans, and Cara Gee (later in the show) somewhat followed suit. However, the Belter creole is based in the books mostly on French and German, but they got an actual linguist in for the TV show. TV show Belter creole is a mish-mash of many different languages to reflect the many different peoples who went and colonised outer space. There are Germanic and Romance influences as well as Slavic (Filat Kothari showing us some of that), Chinese and more. There is a lot of variation as the show goes on and it is implied that different stations have their own predominant accents.
6:11 Yeah, that's basically the summary of Julie Mao. She was a rebellious, politically-active young person, and as is routinely the case in real life, she was being used and manipulated by people smarter than she was and got in over her head with a bunch of dangerous fanatics.
I actually enjoy just how wrong you are each episode, at least you're staying curious and engaged. You've still not thought about the big picture of what and why of Mao's plan or the significance of the protomolecule. I'll keep watching as it unfolds for you.
Hrm? She was pretty pointedly negative with her remarks about Jules-Pierre Mao and his scientists. Also didn't see much love for Fred Johnson. No one else would meet the benchmark for terrorism from who we've seen in the episode (at least in terms of what we've seen on screen, or else I'd probably have to include Chrisjen in there, and perhaps Dawes based on some inferences), and given Fred's clearly changed since his act of terrorism, I can understand if people were somewhat sympathetic towards him.
Me hitting like before I even start the video because I know Mary is a great Expanse enjoyer and reactor. ❤
I always love how this episode explains the water thieves back in ep1. It's a subtle plot point, but even back then that scene had meaning.
“Was it literally that close…minutes…”
No, it was days, but did you notice that when Julie “saw” Miller, he was wearing the hat… the hat he left on Ceres?
Almost like it reached out, through time...
@@TephulioTXit reaches out..
@@Mannchini 113 times per second....
@@Mannchini Thru time...
There is a concept to use graphene to store data. Like the graphite of a pencil, it's made entirely out of carbon.
If you would put a microscopic graphene drive into a pencil, it would be pretty much undetectable and appear identical to ordinary pencil graphite.
I think a pencil USB stick could actually work.
The greatest thing about this show is how it manages to keep things escalating from bad, to worse, to worst, to worster, ...
And it always feels like a natural progression, not the writers just making something up out of thin air.
Season 4 excels at this.
@@Justanotherconsumer best show in amazon ever!
it's the fact that this had to be all plausible when they first played it on tabletop rpg - I can't even imagine what the campaign looked like
Every time we saw Frank DeGraaf, he was writing in a paper notebook with pencils; Avasarala knew her old friend wasn't merely eccentric. The information Avasarala got from Frank's pencils verifies Fred Johnson's accusation that the stealth ships were built by Earth. She is the only person on Earth with proof that Johnson was telling the truth.
Do you remember when Miller nabbed the water thief and the thief mentioned that the Griegas had left Ceres? The one gangster who spiked Havelock said that was a "going away present." We learn with Miller that the Ceres gangsters went to Eros under the pay Julie's father.
Yes, one of the clever methods of this story that the audience and the characters learn things at about the same time. The writers don't hid anything from the audience that the main characters know.
I keep forgetting that I've subscribed to your reactions to the Expanse and then I new one pops up on Sunday morning just when it's time for coffee. It's so good to rewatch this fantastic series through fresh eyes. Until next week!
Wow... I am always noticing new things in this show. This time I noticed Fred said the data came from the WREKAGE of the Donnager, thus avoiding the topic of the Tachi completely. Man... the writing in this show is so thought out!
Makes me wonder what happened to Lopez. I assume he was never returned to Mars, that would be asking for too many questions.
Returning Lopez’s body would add a degree of verification to the data cube. Mars knew he was on the ship
@@Mannchini Hmmm, Are you saying Mars knew Lopez was on the Donnie, or on the Tachi, because yeah, the former they would know. Actually, now that I think about it, saying it came from the wreckage would be problematic, as the Donnager did supernova itself. I have no idea how you'd get a data cube from that, lol. It would have had to be flown away.
Staying faithful (kind of) to the much more detailed and complex story in the books really helps to make series good - be faithful to the brilliant source material, you get a good series.
So
Julie is Lionel Polanski. That was a cover name to be used on the mission. Julie was OPA and got Anderson Daws to allocate the Scopuli to the mission to intercept the Anuibis.
Julie learned something bad for the belt was coming on the Anubis by snooping corporate files. Likely after getting a warning from her dad "Leave the belt. Something bad is coming your way".
The Anuibis was on a course from Phoebe (a moon of Jupiter) to Eros (a belt asteroid). Julie has apparently, effectively, completed the transport of the substance to Eros.
Keep an ear out for mentions of Phoebe.
I think it was said that Fred supplied the ship (without knowing exactly for who) and Dawes supplied the crew. That's why Fred sent the Roci to try to find the mystery Lionel.
@@MattNolanCustom Yep. Julie's an unreliable narrator here, thinking no one came, but with Ceres rioting from the wreck of the Cant, Anderson Dawes had to focus efforts there (for all he knew, she was safe to ride things out on Eros for a bit while awaiting exfil), and Fred was left with his role of supplying a ship...and then the Roci and its crew arrive practically gift-wrapped for the task.
The thing I love about this show is how deep most characters are, not good, not bad especially if you consider that "bad" is a point of view. Damn Mary you made me wanna re-watch the entire show. 😎
I can guarantee, few people (especially amongst reactors) seem to question her taking the pencils or what they could be (or at least think it odd/sentimental of her), and for good reason! The show doesn't give clues or hints for their purpose, and we (as people who have and regularly use pencils) wouldn't think twice about them either! It makes sense in hindsight, especially in such a tech future, that pencils wouldn't fit into the current landscape, but I certainly didn't think they'd have data cores on em myself.
Avasarala is a very complicated character, and I do think she was being sincere with de Graaf's partner as much as she was snooping, like with Holden's mom. She has a goal and will go to some far lengths to reach it, but she also is pretty sincere with a lot of the things she says. I also do wonder if, when she saw that drop of blood on his desk, if it got her mind whirring to other possibilities, but I'd like to think she had multiple motives for her visit
Such a great reaction, you can see the plot just running and running and running, no breaks. Amazing! 👌
A fun little FYI for each season: the name of the final episode of each season is the novel that the story derives from.
Great reaction Mary
I hope you're further ahead than S2
Julie is such a beautiful tragic character. Buckle up it only goes harder from here.
Hint, and not at all a spoiler:
What did Miller look like in the final moments of Julie's life?
What did Julie see that Miller had with him?
What conversations did Julie hear when she was dying -- and how could she have heard them? 🤔
And:
What did Miller *look like* when he finally found her? 😯
Great reaction Mary!
This is one of those shows that makes you want to watch the next one and the next one and the next one..😂
I've watched a lot of Expanse reactions in my day... Think these may well be the best. Go Mary!
The bossy lady who seized Julie was dwelt upon by the show to establish that she was already infected when Julie was captured. That's what the "is it hot in here?" part was about.
"Wow, Avasarala is showing a sensitive side and her humanity by honoring her friend... Oh, nevermind... "
"Jules Pierre Mao just saw horrific pictures of his daughter and must be so torn... Oh, nevermind..."
For everyone that has seen the entire series, something just popped into my head. That is NOT Miller that Julie sees in her vision as she’s dying.
If you know what I mean, don’t spoil it. Mull it over in your head and let it sink in. What it means. Because if I’m right… holy shit my brain just melted.
This show is so damn excellent that it makes my very amateur writer's heart ache.
The sheer amount of work every scene does where it’s at least two of exposition, character development, setup, or payoff is amazing.
They stumbled a bit in the first few.
Poor Julie....
Hi Mary. Enjoying your reactions a lot. I think (at the moment I am typing at least) that you have an S1E10 fingernail for this video, but the video is S1E9.
Mary you're the best
6:13 makes me wonder if Mary also was infected...
This is one of those shows where no character has plot armor.
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I’m curious. The belters are linguistically based on South Africans. Their English has a South African accent, but more. And they have added a lot of Afrikaans words, like they’ve merged those two languages together. Since Afrikaans is bad Dutch (the way Italian is bad Latin), and you speak Dutch… what’s it like? I studied French and German in college, a little. 30 years ago. So when I was in Rotterdam, public signs made sense. (Once I figured out how Dutch pronounces Gs and Js, anyway.) And signs in Spain made sense because they’re close enough to French. But I can’t understand Afrikaans, except the few words that the South African accent in English has borrowed a few words.
I lived next to Louisiana for over ten years. I speak English and (kind of) French. The Cajun accent in Louisiana is just those two crushed together… I can barely understand them. Accents are weird.
Jarred Harris based his Belter accent on Afrikaans, and Cara Gee (later in the show) somewhat followed suit. However, the Belter creole is based in the books mostly on French and German, but they got an actual linguist in for the TV show. TV show Belter creole is a mish-mash of many different languages to reflect the many different peoples who went and colonised outer space. There are Germanic and Romance influences as well as Slavic (Filat Kothari showing us some of that), Chinese and more. There is a lot of variation as the show goes on and it is implied that different stations have their own predominant accents.
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The hat and the bird, keep track of the little strange bits. Something about them is...weird. But why?
6:11 Yeah, that's basically the summary of Julie Mao. She was a rebellious, politically-active young person, and as is routinely the case in real life, she was being used and manipulated by people smarter than she was and got in over her head with a bunch of dangerous fanatics.
Shohreh Aghdashloo is one of the best actresses I've ever seen. I just wish they hadn't made her swear so much.
Avasarala swears even more colourfully in the books, and they also give an insight into why. They had to tone it down for TV. It's only words...
What ended Julie is not what you think it is. It’s deadly but also…quite wonderful. Keep watching.
And when you think it is, it is not what you think it is.
Be careful not to assemble too many useful pathways in the comments.
@@Justanotherconsumer THIS HERE!
I actually enjoy just how wrong you are each episode, at least you're staying curious and engaged. You've still not thought about the big picture of what and why of Mao's plan or the significance of the protomolecule. I'll keep watching as it unfolds for you.
Please continue with Star Trek.
Not sure why the sympathy and hope for the terrorist.
Lol, as if no one in history has ever sympathized with a bad guy. Let people like who they want. ( ﾉ ﾟｰﾟ)ﾉ
Hrm? She was pretty pointedly negative with her remarks about Jules-Pierre Mao and his scientists. Also didn't see much love for Fred Johnson. No one else would meet the benchmark for terrorism from who we've seen in the episode (at least in terms of what we've seen on screen, or else I'd probably have to include Chrisjen in there, and perhaps Dawes based on some inferences), and given Fred's clearly changed since his act of terrorism, I can understand if people were somewhat sympathetic towards him.