What Was Vatican II?
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- What was the inspiration that guided Vatican II? Join Br. Casey Cole, OFM, as he shares the history of this controversial and highly significant ecumenical council.
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What “traditions” were restored?
The catechumenate, permanent diaconate, centralized role of bishop in the eucharistic celebration, not to mention our theology of ordination (drastically different from the Middle Ages), Eucharist as a meal (places specifically in the Jewish tradition of memorial), the greater use of Scripture in liturgies (central to the early Church but faded away in the Middle Ages), the sign of peace, praying in the vernacular, and the restored order of the sacraments of initiation (Baptism, confirmation, Eucharist. This was switched as recently as the early 1900s and switched back at Vatican II for adults).
I also wrote a blog post on the subject: breakinginthehabit.org/2017/09/25/what-was-vatican-ii/
Breaking In The Habit - was Truth restored all? Truth, not "faith".
Breaking In The Habit do you even know what you're saying? Eucharist as a meal? Are you serious?
Breaking In The Habit you do realize that there's more Scripture read in the Latin Mass than the Novus Ordo Missale? What you're presenting here is false, on almost every point.
Liturgy in the language of the various localities around the world. Before Latin became a "dead" language and then memorialized in our Roman Catholic Church, it was the lingua franca-understood by just about everybody-west of Moscow and north of sub-Saharan Africa. The only reason-k-now-that people at the Holy Sacrifice have their noses in missalettes, IMO, is that the speakers/readers aren't doing a good vocal job.
It was actually a response to the common criticism held by Atheists at the time: "If the Vatican is so good, why isn't there a Vatican 2?"
Vatican 3 Return of the TLM
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This video popped up a day after I asked my father what Vatican 2 was. Perfect timing
Excellent! For more information, you can read the corresponding blog post: breakinginthehabit.org/2017/09/25/what-was-vatican-ii/
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Woah. Perfect timing
@@shaskins15 you don't even have to talk just think
I am not a Catholic, or a follower of any religion, but I find your videos both passionate and inspiring. Despite my own inability to believe, I support and encourage anyone who is called to faith by a belief in good works, as you clearly are. Thank you.
Thanks William! Peace and good to you!
IMO, you are not far from the Truth.
@@FranklinPUroda kind and caring non-christians are doing better at following our Lord than most christians round the world, id say
God bless you, brother!
As a young 18 year old Christian, I think it’s kind of sad that the church has drifted away from it’s traditional routines. Sure of course God doesn’t need us to look very “religious,” but from my understanding these things are supposed to help us understand what’s sacred and beautiful in the eyes of God and lead us to a deeper relationship and encounter with him. With regards to the mass and the sacraments, I think they should all be said in the vernacular because how are people supposed to understand the mass with first understand its meaning but the form that it was originally practiced as well as what the sanctuary was supposed to look should be retained. However it is what it is, but I do think God is still working in the church regardless of these changes and what matters is that the church continues to keep its fundamental doctrines which is the most important 👍🏻
Update: My understanding of the Mass now, I think with things like “Eucharistic Minsters”, Communion on the Hand, “Altar Girls, and others are abuses against the Liturgy. With rapid decline in the Church, I wonder if without the changes made in V2 how things would be right now. Perhaps decline of the faithful wouldn’t be too far and the integrity of the sacramental life of the Church. Especially the Pope and the liberal clergy we have now, what they’re doing really is disturbing. In conclusion, I would say we really should go back to tradition and abandon all these crimes against the Bride of Christ. However, I don’t think being a sedevacantist or saying the current Pope is not “Pope.” will solve anything. But fighting for the restoration of Traditional Catholicism in the Church is certainly something I believe needs to happen now!
Without these changes, Catholic Church will be museum like most of Ortodox Churches in Europe today!!!
Sven Skender if it weren’t for V2 we would have people entering religious life more than now. The traditional Mass is growing and the modernist church is shrinking.
@@ElstonTrant Most Catholic churches in Europe are empty too.
@@ElstonTrant So the church has to be made "relevant" with contemporary poison? The true church of Christ surely doesn't need this. Also, I wouldn't quite agree on the last thing you said. Pretty much all European Orthodox countries are still Orthodox, with growing communities.. There have been built and reopened tens of thousands of new churches in the last couple decades. On the other hand, the Catholic church is quite litterally dying out. Walk into any catholic service in Western Europe and you'll see the average age of the attendents is 70 years old. Every other day a Catholic church is closed. The ones that remain wave rainbow flags in defeat. It's not that this makes me happy, but you seem to have an incorrent view on things.
Sure go back to killing non religious scientists
sorry this video was a bit of a bummer - you need to clarify which traditions were supposedly restored. I have come across this argument a few times but I have a hard time believing it
Jose Castro That’s it other than that everything was watered down and made it harder to become a Catholic. To get Baptism now you need to go through all these classes which are often led by some woman with a Karen cut
The only thing I'm iffy on about Vatican II is the liturgical reform. Don't get me wrong, I don't reject Vatican II in any way, shape, or form, there are just some preferences I have. I do not believe the Novus Ordo is invalid or anything like that:
I don't know why they touched the liturgy as much as they did. Why create a new "form" of the Roman Rite? Why not just create a vernacular translation of the Extraordinary Form? Also, why did so many awful practices come up that weren't even supported by the council? Why did priests start saying mass behind the altar when it's not mentioned anywhere in the documents? Why was Communion allowed in the hand when the majority of Bishops at the council voted against such an idea?
I don't know the answers to these, but what I do know is that the large traditional movement in Holy Mother Church works complimentary to the more modern Catholics we have, not contrary. My dream is to become a Dominican Friar and be a bi-ritual priest so that I can say the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite as well as the Dominican Rite (which is similar to the EF)
Hi billy bob, I think you ask completely legitimate questions and I respect the way you've done so. A few things in response:
1) This is the normal process of the Church and has happened on multiple occasions. When the Tridentine mass was being formed in the 16th century, the bishops did not take the old right and cosmetically modify it, they made wholesale changes. The same happened in the early middle ages wit the Germanization of the liturgy. The reason for this is either because the past no longer expresses the present or older, more authentic, prayers have been found and want to be incorporated. This is the case for both Trent and Vatican II (our Eucharistic prayers are different because we discovered some from the early Church).
2) We need to remember that for much of our Church history, and to a small extent now, there have always been multiple approved liturgies at one time. In the early Church, there was no official liturgy. In the early middle ages (before Germanization), there was a different liturgy in each country. Prior to Trent, the regional differences had become very great, with multiple sacramentaries. Sometimes people feel that Vatican II is a betrayal because we're throwing away what we've always done, but really, it's simply redoing what has repeated itself 4-5 times throughout history: oscillating from a very strict, uniform observance to a very flexible, universal observance.
3) Finally, specifically for Vatican II, a new form was necessary because the old form no longer expressed our theology. The old form had no participation from the laity. There was little variation from week to week (with only one yearly cycle.) Scripture was not very present. Ancient rites, including the sign of peace, the presentation of the gifts, homily, distribution under both kinds, and gloria were all limited or completely suppressed. The vernacular was but a small change compared to some of the bigger things that were necessary, and so a new form had to be created.
4. As for people not following the directives, why does anyone not follow the rules? I don't know. It's always been the case, and it's unfortunate.
Actually there weren't 'wholesale changes' to the Mass at Trent. Pope St Pius V only codified the liturgy which already had a millennium of history behind it. He didn't rewrite it as the committee established after VII did with the help of 6 Protestant ministers with the aim of making it 'more acceptable to the Protestants' as the head of the committee, Archbishop Bugnini is quoted as saying - two rather different movements I'd suggest! Don't take my word for it though, it's all history now which can be learnt for those who really won't to know the truth. VII wasn't a reform, it was a revolution and were all paying the price now, empty pews, seminaries and no discernible difference in morality between Catholics and non-Catholics. The Council Fathers were seduced into confirming to the world and to question this is considered largely taboo, but there are people out there who have so I'd encourage you to read them. God bless!
Thank you for the reply, Brother Casey!! It's very helpful
billy bob this SHOULD change your mind: *_THE EXTREME OATH OF THE JESUITS - Warning!! a MOST vile excerpt.._*
(What your Jesuit Pope and hopes you never find out)
"...I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus..."
👑 May the ONE and ONLY Heavenly Father , the Most High have mercy on us all: HalleluYAH!
billy bob With all due respect, I think Vatican II is a good way to promote our faith. Yes, I can see how it might be difficult for older people to accept it, especially when they lived in between 2 types of approaching the Mass and Eucharist. However, I can see, as a younger generation, that a form of Mass, where the spiritual leader faces the crowd and more laity has a chance to participate with the priest besides communion, and in which the language is more understandable and connectable to the people on the pews, and with prayers and a promotion to talk to people and promote peace, while staying true and valid to the basis of our beliefs, I see Vatican II as a great opportunity in this new age of modern world.
Thank you Brother Casey for everything. From your disciplined, devoted and ascetic life to your unbridled love for Christ and his church. You're an amazing and special young man indeed. I love your enlightening channel and shall keep you in my prayers. God Bless.
"Our Lord is neither liberal or reformer." ArchBishop Lefebvre
Thanks for your comment, but I beg to differ on at least one of those terms. The life of Jesus, captured in the four Gospels, represents a major reform of then existing Jewish life, theology, and society. He changed laws, social statuses, understandings of God, understandings of salvation, rituals, and central identity. How is he not a reformer?
I understand what u mean. I believe ArchBishop Lefebrve was reffering to His Church. Meaning Jesus. If we look back to Pope Gregory XVI Papal Encyclical "Mirari Voss" on liberalism. He said, " The Catholic Church needs no innovations,not even of words." We must ask the question,was he wrong ? Was Vatican II really necessary ? What are the fruits of Vatican II ? Are more Catholics going to Mass ? Are more Church`s opening or closing ? Are there more converts than those leaving the faith ? I was raised in the novous ordo Church. But after going to the Latin Mass. I can see why the Church is in the shape its in. Don`t get me wrong I like the novous ordo. But if the Church is gonna be "revived"its gonna happen through tradition. "Religious indifferentism is a pernicious error damning souls." Pope Gregory XVI Mirari Voss
Breaking In The Habit So..does this mean you are in favor of these liberal reforms that are trying to destroy the Catholic Faith..
Catherine Holmes the future is in the past. I can’t follow Rome or any liberal modernist. That’s why I’m a Sedevacantis. What? The Church had it wrong for 1960 years? We needed Vatican 2 ? And the change in the Mass and some of the Rites ? I think not. There is a special grace in the Latin Mass. that you can even hear in the homilies of the Priests.
chris purcell the future is in the past..agreed..but you can not leave the Church or deny its leadership..even when things look as bleak as they do now..THAT is what luther did..As much chaos as we have in the Catholic Church today..it is nothing compared to the Protestant churches...why??..Because falsehoods can not survive that long in the Church..the truth flushes them out..we have gone through MANY heresies in the Church..this modernist carp ( see what i did there..wink...wink..)..is just the latest in a long line of evil that has tried and failed to destroy the Church..and like all the rest..it will fail..
7/18/18 I watch and re-watch these videos Bro. Casey and never get tired of them. I receive a better understanding of what took place then and now, and you do an amazing job of explanation in all your video's. Keep up the great work of the Church and of Jesus Christ. I know your going to make an amazing and spirit filled Priest. God Bless and Thank you.
I just wish we had the option of going to the Traditional Latin Mass or the Novus Ordo. Both valid and everyone is happy.
there are churches that give latin mass weekly. google it for your area
This is a good bird's eye view but it glosses over the impact of the misinterpretations of Vatican II that led to much disillusionment of Roman Catholics. That in of itself would deserve a few videos with Casey's capable handling of the topic.
That is a great idea! Maybe some time in the future.
Casey folks are starting to appreciate your content so hopefully the 'future' handling of
how some folks misunderstood the import of Vatican II will be sooner rather than later.
You offer a lot to folks who need guidance from someone easy to relate to.
The bishops who initiated the Vatican II false teachings, rebelled against Almighty God. In Nostra Aetate they honor the Muhammad gang of murderers, they are anti-Christs who state that Our Lord Jesus was NOT crucified.
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Our Lord Jesus Is Truth.
Vatican II wasn’t misinterpreted. It was intended to be interpreted that way by the liberals who hijacked the council, in line with the Jews and Freemasons.
“On the other hand, Catholics must gladly acknowledge and esteem the truly Christian endowments which derive from our common heritage and which are to be found among our separated brothers and sisters who bear witness to Christ, even at times fo the shedding of their blood.”
- Paul VI, Unitatis Redintegratio, No. 4, Nov. 21, 1964
“Therefore, it (the Holy Roman Church) condemns, reproves, anathematizes and declares to be outside the body of Christ, which is the church, whoever holds opposing or contrary views.”
- Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441
This was so interesting! Thanks for making this video! I'm a rather young Catholic so I'm not familiar with the traditions that were stated in the video like veils and side altars so I was wondering if you had any time to make a video about that? Again, awesome video!
Thanks! While some of those traditions are interesting, I think there are so many living traditions worth talking about first! If you would like to read more about them, there is plenty of information online.
Emily Standige St. Paul still says in Corinthians chapter 11 that women should cover their heads when they pray. Mass is the most sacred prayer of all.
“It follows that these separated churches and communities as such, though we believe them to be deficient in some respects, have, by no means been deprived of significance and important in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ had not refrained from using them as means of salvation …”
- Paul VI, Unitatis Redintegratio, No. 3, Nov. 21, 1964
“Since however there is for both regulars and seculars, for superiors and subjects, for exempt and non-exempt, one universal Church, outside of which there is no salvation …”
- Pope Clement V, Council of Vienne
If you're a young catholic looking to grow your faith. You're better off listening to the channel "Sensus Fidelium" Fr. Wolfe and Fr Ripperger are phenomenal!
I believe in orthodox Christianity, but I enjoy your church to certain degree.
Thank you Fr Casey for making this video ! ( then Bro Casey) Great info 😇😇
Thank you so much, this video was so helpful!
did the priest get excommunicated for spraying water with a water gun
While not the most acceptable practice within the liturgy, it is hardly an excommunicable offense. When we say someone is excommunicated, we are literally saying that they are "outside communion" with the rest of us. That is a grave status, one that can only be reached by immense acts of evil or heresy. What he did in this video was not even bad enough to make the mass invalid, let alone excommunicate him. Now, was he reprimanded by his bishop? I'm not sure, but that is much more likely.
thank you brother casey keep on preaching the truth
hope so that was disgraceful behaviour.
@@BreakingInTheHabit While ideally one wouldn't be excommunicated except for heresy or acts of evil, there have been saints who have been excommunicated as well (e.g. St. Joan of Arc and St. Athanasius the Great). A contemporary who was automatically excommunicated, at least according to the letter of the law, was Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and the 4 bishops he consecrated. Those latter bishops are no longer excommunicated. I'm sure in time Archbishop Lefebvre will no longer be recognized as excommunicated as time goes on. An anonymous Cardinal even dared to say that Archbishop Lefebvre will one day be recognized as a Doctor of the Church! At the very least he has been very misunderstood. Time will tell. God bless
Gentle and honest. Thank you.
What ancient documents were discover between Vatican 1 and 2? Having trouble finding info on this.
History shows massive decline in Church attendance happened all over Europe after this. Why?
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@@BreakingInTheHabit Thank you Father.
I like the mass to be in latin rite and traditional way
What do you mean the "traditional" way. Do you mean the liturgy that was created in 1571? Because there are recovered aspects of today's liturgy that are far older than that. In many ways, today's liturgy encompasses the oldest traditions we've ever had in a liturgy.
Breaking In The Habit you mean so we should create a new of its own ? Why change a mass that’s over 400 years old ? What traditions were bright back ? The Latin mass is what brought Catholics together All I see from these novus ordo masses is modern music and almost as a social event instead of worshipping god it feels like a Protestant church and sermon than a mass. , why couldn’t we have just incorporated the old tradition we have lost into the Latin mass ? Why create a whole new reform ? People are leaving the church on mass because we are now going against our own doctrine and conforming to everyone instead of everyone confirming to god ? Jesus was not making compromises when he mounted the cross , the 2 Vatican just caused more division in the events and actions after , the fact the order of Malta banned the Latin mass shows this and created division god bless brother , hopefully we can all come back to tradition, the Latin mass is what brought me back to the church and for millions of other young Catholics we want it .
@@BreakingInTheHabit The Tridentine liturgy was not created in 1571. It developed over the centuries, but it is about 1400-1600 years old.
I enjoy your teaching style.....thanx Father!
My friend, VAII was the coming-out party of modernism that lays waste the Church as we speak. Just look all around you. I suggest that you read Archbishop Vigano's recent assessment of things.
I bet the Third Secret calls the Council into Question!!!
this goes hard bro, ong 😤🙏🙏
Isn’t it clear that the council did not work as intended, even if you agree with its reforms, judging by the scandals, mass loss of the faithful etc?
You give *way* too much credit to the council! Haha you think that an ecumenical council of the Catholic Church caused the whole world had a mental breakdown? I think a better reading of history would recognize the effect that World War II had on dismantled the psyche of our world: a generation after the end of the war societal structures, norms, family dynamics, race relations, Sunday attendance, sexual ethics, nuclear arms races, and wealth inequality turned the world on its head. The Second Vatican Council did not cause the problems you see today, it *salvaged* what faith was left of the world and made it possible for the Church to navigate such a changing world!
Because, really, look at the fact of the matter: the population of the Church has exploded worldwide since the second Vatican Council. While most other Churches are shrinking, the Catholic Church continues to grow. Not in Europe and North America, but in Latin America, Asia, and Africa, the Church is stronger than it has ever been.
@@BreakingInTheHabit I can attest to this as an Asian Catholic, lover of both Novus Ordo and TLM haha
I commend you, Fr. Casey, for your work and patience in evangelization. Never stop dialoguing with others!
What’s crucial when seeing this or any Council is a trust and hope in the Holy Spirit, so that in any period of reform we read a deep sense of continuity; what Pope Benedict XVI would call the “hermeneutic of continuity”.
VII’s docs are truly beautiful, I think they should be read with great reverence and docility of spirit. It is also true that if the wrong hermeneutic is embraced (one of rupture and suspicion) a dangerous spirit will take hold and do grave damage. Some claim doctrines changed when nowhere in VII such a thing was claimed. In fact, in Gaudet Mater Ecclesia the opening discourse to the council, St John XXIII makes this abundantly explicit and says that doctrine ought to be taught with the same accuracy as in Trent and VI! How beautiful that our Holy Father should recall the same spirit of those two councils! Elsewhere, the documents often recall the profound continuity in the reform it was seeking.
Some of the fruits of VII have been liturgical, all while respecting the magnificence and evangelical power of the Mass of St Pius V which happily is free to be celebrated today (well the modified version by John XXIII, often called the TLM), and also my personal favorite, eventually: the Catechism of the Catholic Church.
Honestly guys, the CCC is a gift to us that I think previous generations could only dream of. We’re so so lucky and blessed to be born in a period where such a marvellous and also quite authoritative document exists!
Deacon Casey, would you consider making a vid, or even a series, on how the CCC was made? Even just learning about how it came to be is a real eye opener...a lot of interesting twists and turns in the “sausage making process”. But ultimately, a great product!
To friends who may be bummed out as well, I hope we realize that not all social and disciplinary crises in the Church can be traced to Vatican II, even if the council is responsible to some degree. We're going through major issues as Christ's faithful that are affecting communities around the world long before Vatican II came about. Let's not polarize this, let's repent, pray, and come together. Championing reform is not about submitting to the world's ways, and championing tradition is not about turning a blind eye to the needs of each age and culture.
Excellent. Simple explanation to understand. Thanks.
What specifically were the 1500-2000 year old traditions restored by 2nd Vatican Council? Thank you!
A few thoughts come to mind: the catechumenate, permanent diaconate, centralized role of bishop in the eucharistic celebration not to mention our theology of ordination (drastically different from the Middle Ages), Eucharist as a meal (places specifically in the Jewish tradition of memorial), the greater use of Scripture in liturgies (central to the early Church but faded away in the Middle Ages), the sign of peace, praying in the vernacular, and the restored order of the sacraments of initiation (Baptism, confirmation, Eucharist. This was switched as recently as the early 1900s and switched back at Vatican II for adults).
“For several reasons, the Church recognized that it is joined to those who, though baptized and so honored with the Christian name, do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve communion under the successor of St. Peter.”
- Paul VI, Lumen Gentium, No. 15, Nov. 21, 1964
“There are other, almost countless, proofs drawn from the most trustworthy witnesses which clearly and openly testify with great faith, exactitude, respect and obedience that all who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff.”
- Pope Pius IX, April 8, 1862
@@John-jf8lw how do those two quotes contradict one another (as it seems you're implying)?
@@ComicRaptor8850 Paul VI said that the Church (the Catholic Church) is "joining" non-Catholic "Christians" who "do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve communion under the successor of St. Peter." Non-Catholics, such as Protestants, do not honor the successors of St. Peter. Neither do the Orthodox, who elect their own "Patriarch" in defiance of the successor of St. Peter, who is the Pope.
That is contradictory to what Pope Pius IX (and all the popes prior to Vatican II) claimed. As he said, those "who want to belong to the true and only Church of Christ must honor and obey this Apostolic See and Roman Pontiff." The other "Christian" religions don't do that. Martin Luther called the pope "evil" and as I mentioned earlier, the Orthodox rebel against the Pope by electing their own "Patriarch."
In simple terms, since the 1960s, Catholics have been led to believe that all the religions need to unite as one and therefore, other "Christian" religions (and tragically, even pagan religions), which were previously denounced by the Catholic Church, are now "respectable" and even "good." That is a false teaching, which sadly, the modernists have been repeating over and over again for nearly 60 years. Prior to Vatican II, the only way to salvation was the Catholic faith. Yes, it sounds rather blunt and brutal, but in the end, the dogma is the dogma ("For I am the Lord, and I change not: and you the sons of Jacob are not consumed." - Malachi 3:6; "Every best gift, and every perfect gift, is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no change, nor shadow of alteration." - James 1:17
If you look closely (and you can find previous statements from just about any pope online - even the ones from many centuries ago), you will discover that the contradictions are overwhelming. Although it may seem cold or harsh, the pre-Vatican II popes made it clear: You are either in or you're out. In other words, you are part of the Church of Christ, which is the Catholic Church, or you are on the road to perdition.
Alas, this channel and many modernists are simply dismissing such teaching. Vatican II wants to give you the impression that everyone goes to heaven and not to worry. That's a dangerous trap that so many people find extremely enticing. For example: “There is a hell, but it could be empty." - Hans von Balthasar
If such a statement sounds intriguing (which does for supporters of this channel), consider the following:
"Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there are who go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way that leadeth to life: and few there are that find it!"
- Matthew 7:13-14
“Even if the true Church of Christ were reduced to a handful of true believers, they would remain the true Church of Christ on Earth.”
- St. Athanasius
The. Churches where full before Vatican II now they are empty.
Not at all biased, most experts on religion say Vatican II damaged the Church and it effected the congregations turnout to Mass.
Idk where. Where I live you can’t even find a seat. At least not until this pandemic.
Of source Sunday trading laws, Sporting Sundays and all the other demands placed on modern life had nothing to do with any of it. That all these opportunities that appeared was pure happenstance.
Literally just had a lecture on this in my theology class
I still think this needs a series of its own Brother... 😀
What were reformed? What were removed? What were brought back? Why? What could be done now?
Yeah, it's definitely a topic that could be stretched into a lot more videos. Maybe I'll see how I can incorporate more of the documents in the future.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Thanks. After seeing your "Understanding the Mass" series get traditionalist comments, this could be a good time to clarify further...
I am a baby boomer. Grew up in the Church. I think the Catholic Church have done a good job . However, with any large institution, their are few bad apples. I was their when the Mass was in Latin. I think changing it to English was a good thing. I would like to see Priests being able to marry Giving them that option would bring in more Priests. However, that comes with issues because how does a Priest balance his family with his ministry. It will be a real challenge. They will need to be very defined work loads and time set aside for family life. Most successful ministries work night and day. So, I do get the fact it’s better for a Priest to be single. However, a shortage of Priests need to be dealt with. There are some men that prefer to be single. They can dedicate their full lives to their calling. I think the religious should have that option. Perhaps, their should call Vatican III and get more men to serve and loosen up the restrictions. The Catholics do allow some married priests coming from other denominations.
That’s would be terrible it would bring it terrible priests dealing with family issues
Traditional vs Modern
What were the teachings pushed in the counsel?
thanks for your material brother. may we grow as good christian catholics.
I still abstenate from meat on fridays, pray in latin and recite the St Michael prayer at the end of Mass, Vatican 2 is what it is, but Im still praying like its 1100, Deus Vult.
How hasn't Fr. Casey aged in 4 years and I'm over here looking 10 years older and 20 lbs heavier
Well done.
Can you make a video on breakaway Anti-Vatican 2 Churchs ?
What is the painting at 2:14 of? liked to know so that i can make not of this in my religion class...
What kills me as well the church seems to want to help everyone but Catholics. I once went into a Catholic Charities and it had a bunch of Baptist’s with the workers and Receptionists pretty much all Baptist’s. They also had the same time have the nerve to talk about Catholics.
The only Catholics I see get hired within the church at are pro illegal immigration workers.
The shelters are mostly single Baptist women. Catholic Schools like DePaul which is a Catholic college the Priests allow the school to be run by Catholics and Atheists well the Priests take nice cushy trips to France to their winery well they neglect their flocks.
Having Catholic speakers speak at a catholic school is at this point not allowed as the school apologized for a nun coming to speak about catholic values
What a wonderful video
those two ideas you presented are diametrically opposed. were they “catching up with the times” or “returning to old principles”? They’d only be the same if the old was becoming new again but that’s also a bold statement, yet that claim wasn’t made
So when will they anounce Vatican III?
I would like a new more in-depth video on Vatican II
Good lesson 👏👏🏾👏🏻👏🏿👏🏽👏🏼
If priests or even bishops were taking actions in direct contradiction of Vat 2 then why were they not held accountable? If that guy with the water gun is acting against the council's decisions was he dealt with by those with authority to do so? There seems to be a total lack of accountability in the Catholic Church for these "rogue" clergymen and prominent laity such as politicians that promote anti-Catholic teachings.
An abomination!
I love you, Fr. Casey.
This doesnt help explain it to me at all.
Here the point is very simple. Christ founded a Church and gave His authority to the Church to govern it. Christ never established a rite, or a norm. It is the Church who uses the authority to do that with the guidence of the Holy Spirit. We belive in the Church, and that is what we profess in our Creed.
can you do a video explaining Roman and orthodox church and what is the schism?
Like this? th-cam.com/video/EWOpn8tRBME/w-d-xo.html
yes.. :)
Hello - I was called an "apostate" for defending the traditionalist position (preferring the Latin Mass and offering respectful criticism of changes in the liturgy) by a viewer and my post was deleted. I am open to changing my mind and would have appreciated dialogue. In the age of dialogue where we'll dialogue with every other religion under the sun, but only silence, or hurl proverbial stones at other Catholics, honest and open dialogue on internal issues would be a great way for us to solve our disagreements. Instead all we get on both sides are ad hominem attacks (calling traditionalists "schismatics", "radicals", "fundamentalists", "apostates", or "extremists" isn't an argument - Besides if defending tradition is what makes one an apostate then it follows all of our ancestors before 1960 were apostates too. Thus either the Catholic Faith is false or this kind of rebuke is unjust). God bless. Most Holy Mother of God, pray for us.
1:56 Honest question: Why is "church" capitalized in the first and third appearances, but not in the second? It seems to concede that the "church" as a congregation of the faithful is different from "the Church," meaning the Catholic Church. Is that accepted doctrine? It is an important part of Hans Kueng objections to Catholicism, but it seems odd to see it implicitly approved. Am I reading too much into this?
FULL DISCLOSURE= I am an atheist, but my question is raised in good faith -if you excuse the pun. I am legitimately interested in the Catholic position around this issue. Thanks in advance.
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species.
Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing:
Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates.
Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus.
This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature.
Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific.
The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties.
Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error.
Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded.
How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic. Ask any good attorney or advocate; the truth is in the details. Become less specific and you loose the case. Unless one is hiding something.
In conclusion:
In any art, science, law, doctrine, description or definition the more specific take precedence over any less specific alternative of it.
Oh my God! The yellow!
Father, only 5 years later...I did not receive a vocation as you were blessed, I had 12 years of Catholic school...not like the Catholic education that you have had...please, please advise re the "Catacomb Documents" that were signed in the Vatican, underneath the Vatican? During Vatican II? Please understand that we need the traditions as established by Our Lord (directed to Peter.)
Sources???
Waiting for Vatican 3.
what is vatican 1?
Vatican I was an ecumenical council in 1869-70, cut short by war in Europe. The main doctrine to come out of the council was Papal Infallibility, and the focus was very anti-modernity.
@@BreakingInTheHabit Would that the anti-modernity sentiment had been continued! Modernity was born out of Masonic liberalism, a rebellion against the Old World Order of Catholicism.
The Roman Catholic had undergone so many controversies but most important was they found out the Book Talmot of JM
Talmot of JMMANUEL which says that Jesus Christ was god. Get the copy of Talmot of Jmmanuel published by Almanac with 3500 pages and were distributed to the entire Europians countries including those countries headed by Kings and Queens and even the Catholic head the Vatican. That's why the Vatican issued this Vatican 2. With these books circulated in Europe were highly read. Now this were the Vatican 2 was issued.
i mean that Jesus Christ is not god. He was not god. Jmmanuel (Jesus Christ)was a Pheleades from constellation Phealedes while Mama Mary the mother from LYRA a star system. Read the book Talmot of JMMANUEL.
I'm curious as to those ancient documents they discovered
that was informative. thank you, brother
1:07 EXCOMMUNICATE EXCOMMUNICATE EXCOMMUNICATE!
Thanks video was really helpful
I wonder if there will be a Vatican III before a Half-Life III?
Br. Casey, thanks for making this video. Which previously lost ancient traditions are you speaking of?
A few thoughts come to mind: the catechumenate, permanent diaconate, centralized role of bishop in the eucharistic celebration not to mention our theology of ordination (drastically different from the Middle Ages), Eucharist as a meal (places specifically in the Jewish tradition of memorial), the greater use of Scripture in liturgies (central to the early Church but faded away in the Middle Ages), the sign of peace, praying in the vernacular, and the restored order of the sacraments of initiation (Baptism, confirmation, Eucharist. This was switched as recently as the early 1900s and switched back at Vatican II for adults).
Wow! Thanks so much.
Anderson Bush please don't believe any of this nonsense.
@@BreakingInTheHabit All this theology....backed by very little action. Why is the Catholic Church sitting on an absolute fortune ( £15 billion ) at last 'count', while children starve in Yemen? What do you think Jesus would say to you if he returned tomorrow? Do you think he would be happy with Vatican? Have a blessed & truthful day.
@@yvonnemccalla7282 this "absolute fortune" is not cash that can be simply given away, it is in property, churches, art, livelihood of preists and the religious. Don't talk about something you know nothing about: the art, churches, property(like hospitals and orphanages), and wages for the preist are all for the glorification of God. In the OT the Israelites, both rich and poor, donated to the building of the temple of God: did God not care for the poor then? You simply overlook the countless works of Charity done by the catholic church(one of the biggest charities in the world) and yet you want to sell what is glorifying God so that it can be given to the poor? Didn't Judas Iscariot advocate for the same thing?
7-19-21 The Pope has just announced the Latin Mass should not be practiced. Lose our tradition we lose our uniqueness .
Recaptured the original traditions of the Church especially from the Last Supper and the Breaking of Bread by the Apostles and St Paul. In the Last Supper of Our Lord, Jesus' willing to share with us his Body and Blood. The Apostles and St Paul also did the same way sharing a one bread and one cup as a form of a real traditional Mass. The Latin Mass so called today a Traditional Mass is because passed on and developed in the 15th Century. Why Latin Mass regarded as a Traditional Mass? I still don't know. Why not the very Last Supper of Our Lord? Is the Last Supper of Our Lord not a Traditional Mass? What about the Apostles and Paul? What about the early Church Mass? Recaptured the Original traditions of the Church is one of the perfect explanation of Vatican 2. Thank you Fr Casey.
Did Vatican ll do way with the vieling or covering of the head of women in the church ?
A matter of production values.... reconsider your bright, garish backgrounds. And strike for consistency. Just a thought.
The church should make both masses available so we can pick between the two to attend each week
Try searching a TLM in your area.
Blank Blank since I live in the Middle East no TLM here just the novus ordo
My only criticism of the Vatican Council II is the fading away of Latin language in priests today. Fine, you preach in English but as a priest you should be able to speak fluent Latin. Latin is the language of the church but less than one percent of the priest today speak it. Also the second Vatican Council resulted in the falling out of exorcist priest today. Father Gabrielle Amort addressed this serious situation in the church today. Demonic possession today is rapidly increasing in number especially in the US. Killing twenty, thirty people in the mall or in the park with automatic rifle is NOT mental illness. It is diabolical influence. These criminals need more than psychiatrist. They need a priest.
Respectfully, most of this is pretty hackneyed. "The old, defensive Church," "rediscovery of traditions of Early Church," etc. As you state, most of the revolutionary changes were not of the Council itself, but were done after the fact by a small group of people, and not in accord with the desires of the Faithful. As such, they are able to be rejected without rejecting the Council per se, troublesome as many of its pronouncements were.
Heres a fun fact for you. Rad trads attack Vatican 2 like there is no tomorrow.... When in fact the real issue is with vatican 1 but they wouldnt know that because they have never read vatican 2, they have only eisegetically read parts of it out of context and the proof is them being literally wrong about it.
@@jonathansoko1085 no lol. There is nothing wrong with Vatican 1 other than that it was cut short.
God has, and will continue to reveal himself, and his truths to select individuals until the earth is dead. These revelations are meant to be shared. Sadly, since the beginning, and, until the end of time, many messengers will continue to be persecuted. We are ALL his children. Love ALL your brothers and sisters!
Br. Casey, please give us your interpretations on the Constitution on the Sacred Liturgy?
What do you mean by my interpretations?
Thank you for this very informative, succinct video! I am hoping, however, that you can tell me a bit more about these documents that were lost for 1700 years. Is there a name for them, or a website where I might be able to learn more about that content? Thanks!
I would have to go back and look for a list, but off the top of my head I'm aware of the Apostolic Tradition, from which we get the prayer of ordination for a bishop.
@@BreakingInTheHabit If you have the time to look for the list, I would greatly appreciate it! I lectured on Vatican II to my Christian heritage classes and mentioned your video-- specifically these lost documents. A couple of the students have asked which documents, specifically, were found. Thank you!
It was the collapse of the church. The church fell away from God but they're still rich. It will be restored when Jesus comes. 2033.
Thank you for that explanation! I do not agree with some of the things I have heard some priests say in the name of "Spirit of the Council"! I want to agree with as much as I can of what the Pope say's for example, but simply do not. I am trying ,to "to thine own self be true", as well as, "come, let us reason together", while asking God to correct me if I am wrong about my reasoning, so I can update my understanding. Thanks again. Praise be to God.
There were a good things from that but I find going back to doing things of the ancient church some what circular.
You really need to add closed captions. The automatic ones don't know Latin
We give praise to the Holy Spirit for enlightening the Cardinals who brought us Pope Francis from Argentina. May God continue to guide him as he works to implement the teachings of Vatican II.
“First of all, you ask if the God of the Christians forgives those who do not believe and do not seek faith. Given that - and this is fundamental - God’s mercy has no limits if he who asks for mercy does so in contrition and with a sincere heart, the issue for those who do not believe in God is in obeying their conscience. In fact, listening and obeying it, means deciding about what is perceived to be good or to be evil. The goodness of the wickedness of our behavior depends on this decision.”
- Francis, 2013
“But without faith it is impossible to please God. For he that cometh to God, must believe that he is, and is a rewarder to them that seek him.”
- Hebrews 11:6
@@John-jf8lw -- The writer of the Book of Hebrews was a bigot. And narrow-minded. Just imagine trying to "put limits" on God! How dare he! (or she). That's not the God I know..... or Good Pope Francis.
@@markmh835 St. Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews. 🙂
"Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. He that confesseth the Son, hath the Father also."
- 1 John 2:23
"He that is not with me, is against me: and he that gathereth not with me, scattereth."
- Matthew 12:30
"He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God."
- John 3:18
"Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me."
- John 14:6
"But they said: Believe in the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house."
- Acts 16:31
@@John-jf8lw -- St. Paul most certainly did NOT write the Book of Hebrews. This was conclusively determined by the 1960s and accepted by the vast majority of Biblical scholars by the 1970s. The writing style of the Book of Hebrews (in the original Greek, of course) is entirely different from all of St. Paul's other known writings. Moreover, the earliest existing copies of manuscripts of the Bible (in the Vatican and the British Museum) do not have Paul's name on Hebrews. Some scribe wrongly added St. Paul's name to Hebrews centuries later.
Therefore, we do not know the author of the Book of Hebrews. Any Bible which still prints Paul's name with Hebrews (and there are very few) is obviously very old and out of date. It appears that you are still using the King James translation. It has beautiful poetic English -- but it is a terrible translation from the original Greek. Please obtain a more modern and accurate translation of the Holy Bible. It will be a revelation of what the Good Book accurately says! You seem to like to quote the Bible; you might as well do it accurately.
@@markmh835 Martin Luther didn't like Hebrews either. The 60s and 70s' "theologians," along with Vatican II, had many revolutionary teachings (that contradicted previous Church teachings). For instance:
“Moreover, some and even most of the significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give to the Church itself, can exist outside the the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit and visible elements too.”
- Paul VI, Unitatis Redintegratio, No. 3, Nov. 21, 1964
“With faith urging us, we are forced to believe and to hold the one holy Catholic Church and that apostolic and we firmly believe and simply confess this (Church) outside which there is no salvation nor remission of sin …”
- Pope Boniface VIII, ex cathedra bull, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302
Don't let yourself be influenced by the "modernists." The 73 books of the Bible are inspired works. Consider Pope Leo XIII's statements (along with Pope Agatho) ...
“Pope Agatho: ‘Nothing of the things appointed ought to be diminished; nothing changed; nothing added; but they must be preserved both as regards expression and meaning.’”
“The liberty of thinking and publishing whatsoever each one likes, without any hindrances, is not in itself an advantage over which society can wisely rejoice. On the contrary, it is the fountainhead and origin of many evils.”
“These most crafty enemies have filled and inebriated with gall and bitterness the Church, the spouse of the Immaculate Lamb, and have laid impious hands on Her most sacred possessions. In the Holy Place itself, where has been set up the See of the most holy Peter and the Chair of Truth for the light of the world, they have raised the throne of their abominable impiety with the iniquitous design that when the Pastor has been struck, the sheep may be scattered.”
- An excerpt from the original version of the St. Michael the Archangel prayer
“The Church in respect of its unity belongs to the category of things indivisible by nature, though heretics try to divide it into many parts.”
- Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, No. 4, June 29, 1896
“The practice of the Church has always been the same, as is shown by the unanimous teaching of the Fathers, who were wont to hold as outside Catholic communion, and alien to the Church, whoever would recede in the least degree from any point of doctrine proposed by her authoritative Magisterium.”
- Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, June 29, 1896
“In this wise, all cause for doubting being removed, can it be lawful for anyone to reject any one of those truths without by the very fact falling into heresy?-without separating himself from the Church?-without repudiating in one sweeping act the whole of Christian teaching? For such is the nature of faith that nothing can be more absurd than to accept some things and reject others.”
“But he who dissents even in one point from divinely revealed truth absolutely rejects all faith, since he thereby refuses to honour God as the supreme truth and the formal motive of faith.”
- Pope Leo XIII, Satis Cognitum, June 29, 1896
I went through Catholic school from 1972-1983. I had only two years where Catholicism was even taught. One was a pre Vatican Council 2 nun, the other was my Seventh grade teacher. We had new nuns that had guitar/folk masses singing pop music. I went to De Lassalian Christian Brothers school where at the end we were asking if had any Catholicism. Interesting that at school mass, non Catholics were receiving communion. The staff seemed more interested in either discussing Buddhism or explaining what protestant denominations believed. The administration went out of their way to recruit football players, and hire teachers without credentials. I am still Catholic today, not because of Vatican Council 2, but in spite of it. I am thinking of joining a Uniate Church, such as the Maronites or Assyrian Chaldean Catholics, as they are strong on fellowship, have clergy leading by example, and are more consistent. I think the Jesuits are a bunch of pretentious, elitists that give Catholics a bad name. The Jesuits are more interested in having their schools win at sports, than being truly Catholic.
Wow all this are great revelation to the world, those with ears should hear and cross to the light instead of wandering in darkness, me am an adventist......
Just look at the attendance rate of novus ordo and Latin masses and the age of the people
Precisely. There is often one Latin mass rite at a church (or local area) per weekend, with 4-5 Novus Ordo masses at every Church in the diocese. That one Latin mass may be mostly full, but there are only 500 Churches in the United States that actually offer one (many of which not even on a weekly basis), whereas there are 17,000 parishes offering the Novus Ordo. That's A LOT more people who prefer the Novus Ordo, showing how small of a minority this movement is.
Breaking In The Habit my parish is the only parish in Dallas Texas that only does a Latin mass , actually more and more people are coming and we are building a cathedral because we are over full , Novus ordo masses are dying out , people don’t ever go to them , the reason we are a minority is because the lack of latin masses , we are the only ones who do it , all the other parishes in the entire metroplex don’t have any Latin services , novus ordo masses have an Abismal attendance rate than Latin ones , the lack of availability is the reason why of pure numbers people go to novus ordo because that’s the only mass they can find and of pure ignorance, A LOT of people don’t even know the Latin mass exist , we need to go back to tradition
@@BreakingInTheHabitI did not *prefer* the Novus Ordo Mass. I thought there was only 1 kind of Mass. I did not even know of the existence of the TLM until a couple of years ago! Now that I know of the TLM, I attend that Mass. And there are many of us who are young who are discovering the TLM!
@@BreakingInTheHabit A lot of it has to do with a misunderstanding of the Latin Mass and unfamiliarity with that spirituality. My 33 year old wife grew up a cradle Catholic and didn't even know the Latin Mass existed or was still something preferred by some people. So, I don't think it's fair to say that it is expressly "preferred" by the majority because most are either ignorant of it as an option entirely or they grew up with a bias against it from their parents. Moreover, we can agree that just because something is popular it doesn't mean it's what should be done.
I attended a Latin Mass once in Manila... I may not understand what it is but one things for sure my soul did... But thank you Father Casey for the info...
4:50 is gold. I like what your said. God bless you brother.
goated no cap fr fr
no cap juju on dat beat
Thank you Father. Very informative video. I should mention that Mother used to be a practicing Catholic. But the Vatican 2 document caused my Mother to lose her faith. She became an atheist. She thought well if man could change the laws God then what does it matter?
I'm very sorry to hear that. That, unfortunately, was a major misconception of the council. People say the externals change so much and didn't understand what was going on that they thought the essence of the Church was changing, which it was not. Too often we associate our expression of faith with the very faith itself, thinking that if the expression changes (which it inevitably has to over time) that somehow the faith itself is changing.
Luckily, we believe in a loving and merciful God who understands us and has patience with us.
As I child my Catholic mother would take me and my siblings to church. It was the traditional form.
As an adult not having been in church since I was nine, I convince my brother to go with me to church, for old times sake. We dressed in suits as we remembered the men wearing in church, but what we encountered was a bebops slut festival. Never went back. If that is the novus orda, you can keep it, it's an abomination.
I'm also not in agreement with man being able to change the laws of God. I'm a Catholic and with the changing times I feel like the society is pressuring the church to bend its laws (i.e. same-sex marriage) when it should never conform to the whims of man and it's us who should follow the laws. Just because some things are becoming more mainstream it doesn't make them right.
@@daryla7825 My friend, don't give up on the True Church. Tribulations are part of its glorious history. Take your brother with you to a Traditional Latin Mass, there must be one close to you, and you will not regret.
Vatican II.
This time it's personal.
Yves Congar looks like Vladimir Putin
For anyone wondering, the normative language of Novus Ordo is actually Latin, and its normative music is Gregorian Chant. In Summorum Pontificum, Benedict XVI precisely laid the foundation for mutual enrichment of both the older and newer rites, the two learning from each other, and I agree. That's precisely what should happen, not a competition.
Vatican II's wonky implementation by some clergy caused a lot of issues, but its teaching is sound. In the context of Catholic communities around the world (not just the West), it led to great evangelization. The Church has been fighting issues that began even before Vatican II. We have a disciplinary and catechical problem, not so much liturgical. Where I am, Novus Ordo masses are beautiful, solemn, and packed even as they have a 21st century character, AND there is also a lovely Latin mass following. So yes, mutual enrichment, not competition or narrow ideas of liturgy.
March 16, 2016 (LifeSiteNews.com) -- On March 16, speaking publicly on a rare occasion, Pope Benedict XVI gave an interview to Avvenire, the daily newspaper of the Italian Bishops' Conference, in which he spoke of a “two-sided deep crisis” the Church is facing in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. Pope Benedict reminds us of the formerly indispensable Catholic conviction of the possibility of the loss of eternal salvation, or that people go to hell: The missionaries of the 16th century were convinced that the unbaptized person is lost forever. After the [Second Vatican] Council, this conviction was definitely abandoned. The result was a two-sided, deep crisis. Without this attentiveness to the salvation, the Faith loses its foundation.He also speaks of a “profound evolution of Dogma” with respect to the Dogma that there is no salvation outside the Church. This purported change of dogma has led, in the pope's eyes, to a loss of the missionary zeal in the Church - “any motivation for a future missionary commitment was removed.” Pope Benedict asks the piercing question that arose after this palpable change of attitude of the Church: “Why should you try to convince the people to accept the Christian faith when they can be saved even without it?” As to the other consequences of this new attitude in the Church, Catholics themselves, in Benedict's eyes, are less attached to their Faith: If there are those who can save their souls with other means, “why should the Christian be bound to the necessity of the Christian Faith and its morality?” asked the pope. And he concludes: “But if Faith and Salvation are not any more interdependent, even Faith becomes less motivating.”
First, I want to strongly recommend that you look to other media for your information about Catholicism. This site is a fringe group that offers a very narrow perspective on Catholic life and often distorts the authority and message of the hierarchy. For what it's worth.
Second, I think there is a lot of truth in what Pope Benedict is saying here, but look at what he is actually saying. He is speaking of a world AFTER Vatican II, not a world BECAUSE of Vatican II. The world after Vatican II is also the world after World War II, the most cataclysmic event in human history. It is a world of great secularization. It is a world of free dissemination of information (hence this TH-cam Channel and LifeSiteNews) that is not always accurate or authoritative. To blame the world on the changes made at Vatican II gives way too much credit to the council and the Church to affect world history. My response would be that Vatican II, given its willingness to work with the world and update its language to be with the world, is in a better position to preach Jesus Christ now than it would have been if we had continued with our previous rhetoric until today.
Thanks for shedding light on that article, Br. Casey. I'm sorry for tossing it out there without an intro. As you well know, the Vatican II docs are a hot topic for some Catholics. Portions of those documents were worded in a way that could easily be misinterpreted, especially by people without seminary training. A friend of mine -a former aspiring Capuchin- told me that, as per Vatican II, you can be saved through any religion or church denomination. Does the post-Vatican II Church advocate universalism? Obviously not. But that's the way my friend and many others perceive it. That's the way I saw it when I was still a Protestant exploring Catholicism. Thankfully I know better now, after reading a few Catholic apologists.
You're right, as a result of Vatican II the church is in a better position to evangelize the world. She needed to open her windows and let some fresh air in. So keep up the good work Br. Casey. This world needs more young people like you.
A shell of its old self. It’s really sad what happened to the Latin mass and the old church.
Congratulations ! Excellent presentation ! Vatican II surely is a great Council. But I would like to ask something: Why Catholic Church insist on Celibacy ? (from a Greek Orthodox priest follower)
Thanks! Here's a video I did on that subject: th-cam.com/video/AMXnyfk7SK0/w-d-xo.html
Well, I understand the ratio of this law. But, still I think that many issues could be solved if celibacy was optional for the priests. In the Eastern Church, as you Know, clerics were both married and unmarried. But, emperor Justinian decided that bishops must be unmarried, monks and then the Quinisext Council accepted that as a canon. Nowadays this canon is a great problem for our Church... Thank you for your reply. Forgive me for my English. You are doing an excellent job.
People and Catholics need to hear this to understand exactly what you said. Thanks for sharing this.
I have a question that no one has ever been able to answer: Why was the Roman Rite the only part of the Catholic Church to be affected?
Byzantine's, and others have not changed at all.
It seems as if the Roman Rite was watered down to make it more Protestant to welcome other faiths. We lost our identity as Catholics. I lived through the Council & saw the Church diminish afterward.
There is less catechesis now than before. Many Catholics do not even believe int the Real Presence. This is extremely sad. I often wonder how many souls have been lost because of Vatican II.
Br Cole, you still haven't answered my question?
This just makes me more confused. What abt the warning from the saints?
What are you confused about?
Also, what "warning from the saints" are you referring to? It's important to remember that, while the saints lived good lives, their words are not magisterial teaching. They are entitled to their opinions, and some have even been wrong. For official teaching and guidance in the faith, we look to the magisterium of the Church, and ecumenical councils are the highest form of teaching authority.
@@BreakingInTheHabit padre pio. St catherine emmerich and even pepo leo who actually wrote the prayer to the saint michael said. There will be satan incoming into the church and many said it is the vatican II. To tell you the truth. Many traditional catholic youtubers told me not to follow the vatican II masses. But to search the old masses available if i could. I asked abt this to my parish priest. He juat burshed it off and said we need to be obedient to the church. But to tell you the truth. I am very scared in offending God. If this new way is actually what not God wanted it to be. And this has been my dillema for these couple of months. Am i offending God? Am I doing the right thing by following the new mass? Am I praying to God with in this new mass?
@@tzaoriana Follow your own instincts & what you know to be right. Love, kindness, integrity, compassion, truth, faith, justice, fairness, knowledge. These are all.things that Jesus promoted. The creator isn't worried about the way you worship - but what is in your heart. The Vatican has been corrupted for a long time.
@Robert Rough Who said anything about staying at home??? You go out now the world and practice those beliefs on a daily basis. Actions speak louder than words. Jesus returned today he would be aghast at the wealth of our present 'religions'.
@@tzaoriana your reference to saints is right. The Bible itself tells about end times. Pray your rosary DAILY and seek the nearest SSPX chapel!
The Church under Vatican 2 is a kind of parallel church that shouldn't exist. Like the world was suddenly flipped on its side and the one we are living in now is a kind of alternate reality.