Do Signature Guitars Still Matter?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 มิ.ย. 2024
- First off, let’s be thankful for this episode of Dipped In Tone. Rhett survived a close brush with a tornado while on the road in Arkansas, and returns to the pod to analyze all things signature guitars with Zach, who continues his dogged campaign to own a ridiculous number of Tube Screamers. (They didn’t plan their near-matching shirts.)
The conversation-starter is the new Jason Isbell “Red Eye,” a $21,999 collector’s version of the 1959 Gibson Les Paul that famously belonged to Ed King of Lynyrd Skynyrd. When King passed away in 2018, the story goes that Isbell wanted the guitar, but couldn’t afford it. Zach and Rhett explain how he accrued the capital to snag the axe, and the details behind the new artist edition.
But who gets signature guitars, anyway? Some iconic players, like John Frusciante-so easily identified with his Strats-still don’t have their own model. Is he being snubbed, or choosing to keep his name off a mass-produced guitar? Maybe some guitarists feel signatures are too corporate-which could also explain why Jack White has, so far, not lent his name to a model. (Though pedals are a different story.) And what about massively popular TH-cam guitar stars and influencers-have they earned the right to be in the running for a signature 6-string?
Later, Zach and Rhett dig into the economics of siggys-how much do their namesakes actually earn from the sale of their personal brand?-and debate Slash’s bombshell move from Marshall to Magnatone.
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Hey guys. Thanks for the dip. I bought the KoT by waiting on the list. 😁
Awesome rig man. Got my KoT the old fashioned way too. Now patiently waiting for my second for my ‘small’ board 😅
I’ve been on the waitlist for almost 4 years now 🙄
@@CradleRawkthe gold one was my second one. I have the standard that I also purchased through the waitlist as well (it was 18 months then) and when I got that I freaked out and wanted a backup because I was playing out at the time. I got on the waitlist and waited 2.5 years for the gold one. I use the gold one because it actually sounds better to me than the other side by side. But I haven’t scalped the original. It’s sitting in its box in a closet in case of emergency. 😂
I'm pretty sure if you signed up for the list today it's almost like a decade if not more, so good on you! What options did you choose?
@@RobertNolan wow! I just checked and it looks like they are shipping through August of 2018 now. I guess I have another couple of years.
My understanding is you don’t specify your options until you are close to ordering. So I have a couple of years to ponder.
Really like Pete Thorn's signatures. Sure he's not a huge household name, but I think he brings his vision to his sig models... the sum of their subtle features/changes are significant. His HSS is absolutely fantastic and very versatile.
I want to see the Paul kossoff stripped burst signature. Love that guitar it’s so cool and it’s the guitar I think is associated with him the most
I enjoy signature guitars when there is a unique feature, pickup, spec, or whatever. I would love a Pearly Gates, but I can't afford that, so oh well.
Johnny Greenwood for sure should have one.
Nels Cline signature JM.
My man from Khrungbin too.
Whoever you are, I like you based on this post alone.
Springsteen and his Esquire Telecaster. The Boss played this electric guitar almost exclusively for over 30 years. Iconic.
I think slash still deserves a sig. He releases an album every 2-3 years non stop grinding and they clearly sell or they'd stop doing it. I also don't like the argument that you can't be a critic without being a creator. If that were the case most people couldn't criticize most things but we still do and always will
He's also on the board of directors at gibson sooooooo
Slash has had like 50 different sigs from Gibson.
My argument wasn't that you cant be a critic without being a creator, more so that someone who makes a living being a critic when they haven't been on the other side, their opinion doesn't hold water for me. Thats all
@@RhettShull fair enough
You know what's crazier than Gibson still making slash sigs...people still buy them! I mean, how many times can someone listen to sweet child of mine, welcome to the jungle and paradise city? Let those songs die already, they've been so over played going on 40 years now. Give it a rest 😂
Id like to see Fender do another run of Rory Gallagher Strats. Also, Rory used a cool Gretsch Corvette that would be great to have.
I dont really care for sigs that are just a simple mod, like swapping a bridge or something. Anyone can just get the original model and do that themselves. I like seeing the ones where the artist did a custom finish or combined parts from different models.
The Suhr Mateus Asato T is a great guitar also, and probably my next purchase.
His Strat, yes. The Corvette was ugly, tho’ … won’t ever happen.
Andy Summers Tele would my go to sig.
Used to want a Billy-Bo sooo bad but then tried playing one and it was a no go.
The St. Vincent sigs are wonderfully fun and surprisingly comfy.
I am going to see Jason Isbell and the 400 unit live in November, I cant wait. One of my favorite artist alive today!
He and Sadler make a tasty combo. Both amazing players with phenomenal tone.
+1 (Antwerp gig)
The white Suhr Roughneck-Ian Thornley’s signature guitar-is my dream guitar. And sure, part of the draw is that I know it was built to specs that he had a hand in deciding. Do I think it’s the same as wearing the jersey of your favorite sports figure? I don’t, but maybe I’m just defensive. And demeaning the TubeScreamer is just silly-it’s clearly one of the most influential circuits in the pedal world, and too many great guitarists have chosen it as part of their sound for it to be dismissed out of hand.
I want Keith Urbans "Clarence" Telecaster. I would literally buy a custom shop of it if they had it's relic done right.
Marty Stewart has the actual "Clarence"
While Auerbach uses many guitars, his #1 is still a Tele.
12:06 Man. That’s the goal, isn’t it? When your performance is such a great commodity that you go “Book me a bunch of private stuff and I’ll go play til I can afford to buy ‘X’ “ …and then it happens. I was just stoked the other week to have had the highest draw at a show I did so I could go and buy some groceries!!! I played a show so I could buy food for my family. Hell yeah. We’re getting somewhere. lol
The Kaizen was a hot-rodded St Vincent. Tosin had a Goldie St Vincent sitting on a rack in his room, and it's clearly derived form that. It has almost identical body contours.
I put together the StewMac King of Tone kit which I got for about $100 on sale and I love that pedal!
I bought a Canadian-made KOT clone used for $60, and it is my favorite overdrive ever 🎉 Gold is where you find it.
I'd take the simplicity of a Mythos pedal over a Chase Bliss tweak-a-thon any day.
If it was Fantano who was the music review guy then I can confirm he plays an instrument. He's a killer bassist 🤘
I own Shinichi Ubukata’s signature guitar. I’m not fan and I don’t know any of his music, but I was attracted to the features on it. If money wasn’t an issue I’d own the BB King regal 355 and the Slash’s 1963 335.
Adrian Belew’s signature Parker Fly was the last signature electric model that held any interest for me. I have very little investment into the idea of vintage gear fetishism, and have never been fashionable in the guitar world. Some unpopular takes for you to be mad at.
- Strat & tele > Les Paul & SG
- Les Paul is a fundamentally flawed guitar design
- Ibanez soul
- Solid state amps can be great, actually, even old ones.
- “American made” has become of questionable value and is nearly always overpriced
- Potentiometers are more important than pickups
- nobody cares what I think 😊
- I love this podcast, and both of these dudes are golden.
- Sire is killing it, hard
- Harley Benton is an amazing economy brand
- The Raconteurs are are probably still underrated
- circuits are circuits
- The ES-335 is the best Gibson model (and the only one I would own) in spite of having similar flaws to the Paul
I preordered the J Mascis tele as soon as it was announced, so I guess I’m the target market. Knew from the Squier JMJM that the neck would be amazing (it is) and that blue sparkle is just rad.
Born and raised in Tulsa. A nice place to visit in the spring.
They never mattered to me
Okay. I am a supporter on Patreon, a subscriber, and I'd like to know two things: how does one submit a rig for dipping, and how can we get notified of imminent podcasts?
I would like better hendrix signatures by fender.
I have always wanted a right handed strat with a left handed bridge, set up Jimi-style, but for right handers. I may have to build that or have it built someday.
My fave is Les Paul Signature guitar!
I have all original late 50's Gretsch Chet Atkins Country Gentleman. I think it's a1958.
The/thing is also that he saved the company.I think there for ever grateful for that.
Gibson tried to agree with Neil Young in 2005 to do a sig, of course he said no, so the rumour goes they did a secret release ... Would love to see one of those
Fender, it’s time - Time Lerch Signature Tele with two Charlie Christian pickups
Off topic, but what model /13 head is that Rhett?
FTR37
24:00 Maybe some companies have learned from the Mayer-Fender-PRS situation...
I really think Lester Polsfuss deserves a signature guitar ! NUCK-NUCK-NUCK !
I really want a John 5 sig tele, the black one with the flat weird headstock. There is a mexican one that used comes up for like $900
I have a Yamaha Mike Stern Telecaster copy. Its an amazing guitar. Im sure its too expensive. But It is worth it.
I did not know this existed, I bet it’s great. Stern is a monster.
I want more Gary Moore Signature guitars. If there was a version of his red single pickup Charvel he played on the 87 tour, I would throw my money at Charvel. Guess I‘ll have to build one myself.
I'm not a Strat guy, but a custom shop version of Moore's fiesta red rosewood strat he got from Peter Green would probably be the only Strat I'd ever buy.
@@joeyjooonesdidn‘t they make one like that a few years ago?
Like honestly, you guys are like sick. Like, legitimately.
How Leslie West never got a Gibson signature is beyond me.
…or Lindsey Buckingham, Jack Bruce, Steve Marriott and so on…
I own a Gary Clark Jr signature series SG with three P90 pickups. Wasn’t a fan until after I got the guitar.
I want his signature Casino.
@@TribalGuitarsI want that new Asher guitar that he's been playing.
@@gui-texzan7477 I wouldn't mind one of those Wide Sky's, either.
Marc Ford's Asher is awesome. Equally cool is the Jackson Browne Asher that he plays.
Tone Monster.
I just realized something. The Les Paul has a name, like a standard model name. Its a Carved Top Special.
What about signature pedals? I think Mythos should make a Rhett Shull signature Tube Screamer.
Hard +1, let’s start a petition.
Yes, let’s make Rhett’s name synonymous with the Tube Screamer … it’s the least we could do for him …
"Tulsa time."
If Fender can make a Susan Tedeschi, than Jason can get a GIbson sig... I have often considered getting the cc one even before and after Jason bought the guitar as I have always been a huge Red Eye fan.
Has Philip McKnight made a sig guitar? Pretty sure he has. He is a guy who I love and totally support but a perfect example of someone who has a lot of influence but many are opposed to him having a sig model.
Signature guitars were cool when I was 16 - now that I'm 39 I just don't understand the appeal at all. It's an immediate turn off even if the specs are exactly what I like.
Same!
I hate other peoples names tied to my guitars. Except the les paul. But that doesnt count
I don't want their name on the guitar... but EJ Strats or other guitars with minimal "Artist personalization" can be great
I've never even heard of some of the people that have signature models now!
I think it comes down to, is it a one-guitar artist. For example Wilco has one single-guitarist and one multi-guitarist. Nels never plays anything but his strat, so he has a signature strat; Jeff switches guitars between every song, so he doesn't have a signature guitar. It's almost as if the player has to have a "signature guitar" before the company that guitar belongs to, CAN make him a signature guitar. And that, in my opinion, is why Hetfield doesn't have one.
Zach, as far as I'm concerned, that Explorer is a Scorpions, Matthias Jabs guitar. Just needs some black electrical tape!
As far as I know, Slash is still with Marshall, he's just done this one amp with Magnatone the same way Kirk Hammet is with ESP and Gibson. Slash basically saved Gibson, much the same way Jimmy Page did in the late 60's/early 70s, and he's still a huge name in guitar and music circles, so Gibson is going to keep riding that top-hatted horse all the way to the bank as long as possible. I'd lay money down that he gets a bigger cut of the royalties than the standard 6%. So the smart money is for Marshall to not get their panties in a wad about Slash doing a one-time signature model with Magnatone, which is basically a boutique amp, and keep him as the guy people think of when they think of Marshall.
I hate when makers release something the artist doei, or didn't, use, like Gibson's Hendrix models, which were featured in a few photos when Gibson was trying to court him and not played regularly or in sessions. Even the Slash 335 kinda irks me me because it's"Slash inspired" rather than something he plays on the regular. At least Page's Fender "Dragon" was famous for being one of his main guitars in the studio.
Sig or not, if I like the guitar and can afford it - I'll buy it.
My Schecter Jeff Loomis 7str is one hell of a guitar I got for comparable peanuts. And no, it doesn't do only metal, despite EMGs, 7 strings and a FR trem... It sounds equally great on cleans, with volume rolled down, you name it.
Its features checked all my boxes, as did the shape/color so it was a a no-brainer.
Speaking of signature guitars and explorers, why have they never made an Edge explorer? He has other signature models but the explorer seems like a no brainer.
you should have jimmy on the show. I saw panic a lot during my 20s and holy shit it was fun
As a lefty I am slowly saving for when they do McCartney’s 1960, or John McEnroe’s ‘59. No one tell me I’m dreaming please 😂
the Red Eye sold for 350k (thats the official cost). Id like to see Neil Schons Super Custom, and Jared James Nicholes Dorothy both replicated, Taylor Swift often strumms a Gibson. Maybe her?
3:46 💚
Marshall bluetooth speakers aren't made by Marshall Amplification. They're made by Zound Industries who licensed the name.
Zound only recently bought the actual amp company (March 2023), and changed their name to Marshall Group.
Maybe that was the writing on the wall for artists like Slash.
Epiphone signature instruments help keep the value of the guitar, otherwise it would be another import guitar regardless of its build qualities and drop in value. Good examples are the Joe Bonamassa and Adam Jones'.
Surprised you didn't mention the Johnny A. signature Gibson that was the first totally new design since the Trini Lopez and was the highest selling in numbers custom shop model. Absolutely awesome guitar. Or now, Johnny A.'s signature Stratocaster. You can find it on Fender's website next to Jeff Beck's.
Over here feeling dumb for not knowing who Johnny A is…
Who tf is Johnny A … Is he ‘Kid A’, all grown up … ?!
@@kierenmoore3236 ha ha. nope. The list of people he's played with is impressive and his solo albums are great. He was on Steve Vai's label for awhile....
What’s the guitar on the thumbnail? Is that a signature model?
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I only buy sig guitars as investments to sell to suckers years later. Waiting for Mega Dave to die, then I will have 3 Jackson Dave models to sell and I will go buy a car😊
In general, i dont like signitire guitar's it feels like it cheapens the guitar in soke way? Likely because you know youre payong extra for the connection, often the only interesting options are if its an odditie where the spec or options are so out in left feild that you couldnt find it otherwise
Signature guitars hold resale value well because people know exactly what they are. Strats and Teles are usually pretty generic, but when they are signature models they have very specific specs . You know what you're getting.
I think it should be a thing for kids and the cheaper models of kids favorite artists. Such as a Squire or Mexi Strat. Something meant to be affordable to bring in the kids to the hobby. (e.g. Mr.T cereal) As an adult with adult money, when I see a slash model with another grown mans name on the guitar, I can't help but comparing it to childish CosPlay and a complete waste of money. I'd much rather have a guitar inspired by my favorite artist without making it a specific model. Still offer a Greenie or a Knopfler inspired Red strat but don't make it something that artificially increases the price. A home modder can build a Clapton strat close for half the price as some of the ones they've released. It's a cash grab. Of course Let the specific guitar mod changes dictate the price. I'm not saying they shouldn't charge more for a set of pickups when they are by themselves more expensive as a standard offered pickup.
"John Frusciante" 🤐
Man- sucks that your one experience in Jersey was Russo at the shore. Russo has become a boring corporate attempt at a high end guitar center at this point. If you ever come back to NJ check out lark street music in Teaneck- the last great guitar shop in NJ IMO
I've had them when I was young but now I don't want anything that's tailored for someone else.
Get Jimmy Herring on the show please!! One of the best to ever do it.
I don't care that much for the endorsement side of things but i know that some of the guitars i like the looks are signature guitars. Someday i'll have a Troy Van Leuween Jazzmaster (oxblood, neck with blocks and binding... brrrr) and the Jason Isbell tele (telecaster with double binding).
Mike Einziger from Incubus should have a signature guitar!
About music critics,... man, i studied that and the approach your going for (if you haven't released music, you can't talk music) i don't think it's right. It's not about just music, it's the whole aesthetic experience, the purpose, the way it's narrated, the discourse, the skills, the fills and lack of things,... it's everything.
Spotify is great but now is a machine that decides what to present me based on algorithms. I prefer a human with a critical voice.
Critics, coming from criterion (judgement), not criticism. That's the key.
I trust Rhett and Zach judgement on sound and feel to make my decisions on what fuzz i may like... i think it's the same thing.
Pardon my english, this isn't my mother language 🙂
Best from Barcelona
Why not put the pics up ……. Tech?
Tells wife…”this 10k guitar is the last one I’m gonna buy for at least a year”…less than 6 months later….”I need a white explorer because James has one!!!!”
Brutal cycle. Since I’ve bought 2 Mjolnir WW editions and a summer colors edition does that mean I’m an enabler that suffers the same disease… yes I believe it does. 😂
Rhett is looking good he’s cutting weight and getting a tan!
Been riding my bike a ton!
I can't sit through two guys talking for an hour. I thought they'd be showing some signature models. I skimmed through quickly and right after the one hour mark they pulled out ONE signature model!
Maybe you’re just not a podcast guy John
@@RhettShull Maybe not! I guess people usually listen to them, not watch them.
I don’t watch, I just let these gorgeous dorks yap in the background while I do chores.
But isn't a Les Paul already a signature model??? Are we talking about signature, signature models?
Bruce Springsteen Tele
I have always been puzzled as to why this has never happened. Very few guitars are more iconic than it- think cover of Born to Run alone.
@@johnplunkett2004 so true! I’m baffled
@@meanermann5028
Mostly likely it’s the same reason why there isn’t a Keith Richards signature Tele or a Neil Young signature Les Paul. Bruce doesn’t want to do it.
The only one that matters is the Bruno Mars Limited Edition. Except it doesn't have his signature...
Greg Martins 58, Pearly gates and Brad Paisleys “new” blue paisley
For the redo signatures*
You don’t have to be a chef to know that something tastes bad. An album reviewer’s dues are paid by having listened to lots and lots of albums. That’s what qualifies them. They should take the intended audience int9 account, just as you would with a chef/restaurant (eg mcdonald’s vs Dorsia)
Does Rhett watch the Tour de France?
Watched every stage so far!
New Jersey, legitimately better than what ever state you live in. There's no H in Asbury Park Zach
Rhett is bending over backwards to defend the Rick Beato… If he wasn’t his friend he would have the opposite opinion.
My opinion is that a signature product should at least been featured on a famous track or notable tour. Not just something someone bought…
"Unless you've made something and put your name on it and put it out there for critique and consumption I don't think you've got a whole lot of ground to stand on to professionally critique others work."
I get your position but this is a load of crap. It's valid that you may not value a critique from someone who is not also an artist or creator. There are also critics we may simply dismiss/ignore if that reviewers values/criteria aren't in line with our own. But this statement is right up there with a claim that only those who have excelled at a thing are suited to coach it.
I disagree. People are, in the main, too ready to offer criticisms without understanding the basic concepts of that to which they aspire to critique, and often have no understanding of the work involved in producing even the most basic example of sinilar work. Until or unless they have, I take no heed of unskilled critics, and I never will. They may, nonetheless, have related skills or experience that validates their claims, and for that reason each case should be considered individually. Anyways, geetar!
30:57 MICAWBER! I would love to have a five string American Vintage II Micawber replica.
As far as that ever happening, I don’t know if they can afford Keef. But regardless of the cut from a signature model for the rest of us, well… everybody likes mailbox money 💰 ❤
AAANNND
That Guitar Guitar list is an obvious ploy to jump on the Rolling Stone Magazine idiot wagon looking for clicks and exactly what you’re doing here. Talking about it.
1:01:57 Now is that gonna be “EET FUK” or “MORE BEER!”? ❤
Yes … I was just about to type Micawber, then saw your comment … Keefie, Page, Slash: ie, I’d be happy with Micawber, an EDS-1275 and a ‘59 Perry Burst.
There’s currently a Slash SL-100 Magnatone “Black out” edition in all black with nickel hardware in pre-production/pre-order. We’ll start production as soon as we fulfill the limited run green snakeskin. Purely a cosmetic change and will cut the price down from the snakeskin- Matt from Magnatone
Green is my favorite color. I have loads of black amps.
Ive got lots Of signatures and some high end usa builds .. but i just bout a ls200 5A tokai for 2 grand … this is a guitar to just shut Up and play … guitar players guitar
So what you're saying is I'm not big enough for a signature guitar. Yet. *edit: also . . . Hi, comment stalker! Thanks for all the likes.
I think signature guitars are a marketing ripoff. Really, what are you getting for the added price vs. the standard model. A couple custom pickups maybe. A paint color. Not for me thanks.
I really dislike signature guitars … nothing makes you look more like a try-hard wannabe, than an overt signature guitar … lol
Having said that, I’ve owned two (a Jem and a JS1200?) … but only because those guitars were designed/created for those artists, so there was no way to get a non-‘signature’ version …
I think the Tedeschi sig should come with Winnie The Pooh stickers from the Just Won't Burn album cover!
No
Nope
I believe you guys shilled steal like an artist a while ago.
Rhett deserves a signature guitar. An offset body with pickups that cancel each other out and have no real depth.
Ouch!
Nah, just don't put pickups.
Let the "tonewood" do all the god damn work
Y’all are haters lol Rhett’s tone is always great
@@bryceweltin2803 Rhett is a dam fine player. A guitar is only an instrument and Rhett is just a tool
@@brianskudney8448 i like rhett. he does have a tendency to come off as an arrogant person but, i think at this point he plays more into that caricature as time has went on for satire. however, you can’t deny he is a very intelligent person and a fantastic player.
No. Never.
Will never buy one.
Hot take, Isbell is a good writer, but his voice is not to my taste
What an imbecilic take on critics.
You can have 20 years of experience, or 1 year of experience 20 times. That grain of salt is important.
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Nope. They don't mean jack anymore. I think my fourth cousins half sisters ex has a signature coming out just this week.