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- This tree fell during a storm and was a on a steep hill. It was a dangerous situation because we knew the stump would want to fall back. We slid another log under the tree before cutting, after cutting it only took a bump with the skid steer to separate the stump.
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This is why you never ever have kids or dogs around when working on trees, when the soil lifts up like that it's a magnet for kids to look at and climb on
A dog will make a bee line for that root ball hole…
Had a friend of my fathers killed when he cut through a tree hanging over a cut bank. When he cut through, the tree sprung up and got him in the head. Perhaps a wedge could have have prevented injury. Being able to predict the tree's movement is critical.
Exactly, and no two trees are the same.
I’ve seen trees kick back all different ways.
I lived in Maine and there were instances of kids climbing under the root ball just before it snapped back. Very sad and preventable.
Sarcasm or did that really happen?
@@TheDennys21 I think it is true, it took them three weeks to dig their way out but they all made it. They ate worms and sucked water out of the roots to survive.
@@artszabo1015 good Maine stock. i test my kids the same way. the good ones dig upward, the bad ones dig downward.
i remember this one very sad kids grandfarther was cutting the tree when it happend was years ago
A fallen tree is just a big spring-loaded trap. When cut, that tension goes all of a sudden.
It can kill. I knew a widow who's husband died in this way.
So true and not always obvious if inexperienced
@@user-ch6xi7rh8k Yessir. I came really close to getting my head knocked off when I cut a 50-foot stalk of bamboo in my back yard.
It had collapsed under its own weight and was resting on the roof of my back porch with the stalk still rooted in the ground and bent at a 90-degree angle, at about chest height.
Stupid, inexperienced me took a pruning saw and cut through the stalk just below the bend and -- of course -- when I finished, the cut end shot straight up right past my face and stopped at the same height as the porch roof. If I'd been leaning forward it easily could have broken bones or worse. Never made that mistake again.
Dangerous if you stand under the rootball, maybe?
I counted 3 dangerous scenarios, all of them included not releasing the pressure on the tree, i understand if you are not familiar with the trade, a 2 pounds branch is enough to either kill you or brake a teeth or 2 ✌️
When the root ball stands up it can take the saw with it, where it ends up is anybody's guess. From experience I can tell you that you're not going to over power the tree and wrestle the saw into a safe position as it's being lifted. I've still got all my appendages and count myself blessed.
Some time ago I saw a vid in which the man stood somewhere on the trunk ( rootball-side) and cutting it . The moment he cuts that trunk that lad was catapulted in the air , broke his arm coming down .
@@andrecostermans7109 , was working on a golf course, they hired outside to come in and clean up several up rooted trees. These guys didn't have the training and seen a guy almost flung! He jumped off just moments before.
When cutting t hff at amount of mass off, those root balls can roll! They don't always flop back into the hole.
Never let your kids play around the root ball when you are cutting- very very dangerous situation
Never let anybody around while your cutting would be a much wise advise.
Ok
Cut the limbs off first, then cut from the 'top' down to the roots. No problems, the mass and tension will be reduces gradually.
No, no, no! Had a sycamore blow down in a storm once - 20 years ago. Was standing on a stream bank and fell into a meadow. I cut the limbs out first, like you said but then the root ball and the whole trunk sprung back to vertical! Missed my head by about two feet. Dumbest thing I ever did.
@@bobanderson6656 Im glad you are ok. There are always exceptions. One must then rely on ones experience and judgment. That said, I know fellow loggers who have been injured or killed cutting trees.
My neighbour is a forester with FLS in Scotland and he says the first thing to do is get the root plate separated from the trunk at the base.
@@ArdGeal. And I bet he also says wear full PPE!
Wow! I could see some kids playing around that hole while cutting. I like the way they didn't cut all the way thru and let it just snap when he lifted. Big trees are dangerous and unpredictable.
Exactly
I watched the video repeatedly and I could not see those kids, Do you suppose they edited them out after you said something? That's really strange,
Art from Ohio
When I engage a downed tree I always try to reduce SAFE WEIGHT First. I start at the top and work my way to the bottom. Removing big limbs and branches reduces the weight of the tree. If your 1st cut is at the stump sometimes its not the best plan. The tree cant roll on you if its cut up at your feet from the top..
But have you ever cut a tree like this on the side of a hill? Every tree is different
@@mattwag56 very true. But I like to reduce weight. Ill get all the easy stuff off first with Low risk of spring poles or the tree rolling. I dont touch the limbs holding the tree only the stuff I know is dead weight. then work my way from the top to the bottom. I just think thats the best way and safest way.
@@LiveFreeOrRIP Like I mentioned above: Years ago, I tried that with a sycamore. Once the weight of the limbs were cut from the tree, the root ball AND the trunk flipped back to vertical! I was stupid and lucky.
Had a large one yesterday very similar. You definitely made me think how to approach them in the future.
Great to hear!
I cut a tree like that once and did it wrong- the bottom jumped up so fast it would have taken my head off if I hadn't stepped back a few feet.
That’s some scary stuff
I cut a blown down poplar last year that, while I knew the rootball was going to come back up, I was shocked at how quickly and with how much force it snapped back up as soon as I completed the cut. I was using a long bar and standing as far back as I could but next time, I'll definitely be even more careful. 😊
Mousetrap
I know a logger that got mouse trapped by one. I figured it was going to snap at the end of the cut and launch the saw into his face. He was obviously aware of the danger of this situation.
My forestry professor back in the late '60s at U. Mass. had a big scar on his forehead for exactly this reason. It probably happened before there were safety kick back mechanisms on saws- but even with them, kick back is probably the most dangerous thing about a chain saw. You have to prepare just in case.
@@JoeZorzin Kick back device saved my leg last year. Ruined my pants though, lol.
Im gonna remember that leverage trick for later use
Great idea right there
I did worrie a lil when you were cutting so close to the root mass
I usually reduce it down to just the trunk and piece by piece until it stands back up
I do the same. My usual procedure is the slice and dice from the top down. I cut firewood. The little stuff gets cut into 16 to 20 feet if I have a chipper,,, or 4 feet if I do anything else. However, from the fireplace size 3 to 4 inch minimum, it all gets reduced for the customer's choice. 12 and 14 inches for wood stoves,, 16 to 24 for fireplaces. I work from the top down. When the balance is finally on the stump side it stands right up. No pinch, and normally I am 8 to 16 feet away from the stump when gravity takes over.
Terrible cut! Wasted four or five feet of perfect butt log. Yet another example of novices posting on YT to prove they are something 🙄 they’re not
there was a news article in germany of kindergarten kids playing outdoors on or between tree trunks. one tree trunk started moving and a kid was fatally injured. the nanny was then indicted with negligence leading to death.
Inexperienced sawyer, been hand cutting hurricane clean up for a few years now you dont cut one cut straight down you start one one side and finish on the other depending on if it wants to fall, stand back up or stay in place. The bigger worry is what side of the tree to stand on if it springs left or right if straight up then lean back. The bow in the tree will tell you which way it wants to kick when cut free and if its laying straight chances are it'll just drop to the ground on average.
A 5 year old boy, here in Tennessee, was killed while playing in the dirt under the roots. His dad cut the tree and that happened.
How did the boy not see the roots
Tragedy how ever I blame anyone that young for a very dangerous mistake I blame the pop but again very tragic very freak accident type thing I'm sure the pop already feels like shit so what is done is done move on but dayum could of Been prevented FCK
U hear the story in FL the dad ran over his young daughter maybe like 6yo at the time this was like 10 yrs ago with rider mower her name is Ireland she lost both her feet but boy she is awesome I met her she lived in my neighborhood than I moved a couple miles away but she would be at the community pool at the clubhouse and she is so bright and playful and smiling. I honestly teared up when I was in the pool and she was hanging at the like clubhouse patio with other kids everyone was being her friend and wanting to be nice to her ya know cuz it's like what a very traumatic thing getting blades to cut your feet off there must of been sooo much blood hopefully she passed out idk the details I didn't know their family but it was in the paper and the news
if that was me I would be a sad bitter hateful person but she was a trooper and a kind soul. Than there was another story a dad ran over completely ran over his son and the blades fked him pretty good but he survived man and the docs said this and that about healing like no movement in ur arms again bro he called on Jesus and believed for healing supernaturally and I cried during that TH-cam he could move his arms play sports even and he has some jacked up scars yes but the docs were like how the heck? Idk I think his nerves and muscles and stuff got really injured they didn't think he would recover
Anyway there is life and death in our days here on the earth everyday just know God has our time when we die written in His books man alrea written God is with us always man
Gtg start my day
May God bless you
Tampa FL
Daniel
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Glad you wear chaps but I invite you to wear a chainsaw helmet thing and hearing protection too. Stay safe
Type in CAPS, he can't hear you
Might want to sharpen the chain too. Nothing but sawdust coming off of that saw, no chips to speak of.
@@Rudecheers cause his hearing is lost haha
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Nice video, but you could have been that trees example.
That is nothing, you see the potential force of the root falling. The REAL danger is if the tree is pinched and under tension SIDEWAYS but looks straight, or if the tree in a standing position is naturally crooked but looks straight when it had fallen down and got pinched between other trees. Acts like a catapult when released from tension, killing anyone getting touched by it
Exactly. Totally agree with what you said it's the sideways ones that can be super dangerous.! Had a guy in maine get smacked in the face and killed him.
Too many smart people in the comments section. You all should make your own video
I'm gonna start leaving my cat at home from now on.....
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I have seen this happen when a giant black cherry tree that had uprooted was cut. Thank God no one was standing near the rootball.
At least you don't have to dig the roots out on that one. Lucky!
Sometimes you gotta trim the dead weight to get back to your roots.
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That surprises someone.
Totally should be what's expected to happen.
I had a teacher in high-school who use to be a lumber jack and he could tell you some death stories. I have two off hand.
One where his buddy was doing this same thing standing to close trunk snapped with a sharp point and gutted him open like fish insides everywhere on the ground, and another where a dad was teaching his son the ropes for his first day only for a big tree to fall on his son do to a bad call and the branches had impaled the son threw out his body killed instantly right in front of his father. Cutting trees are no joke including putting out forest fires. Think before you act.
So many of us can learn from those teachers in high school stories, they kinda stick in the back of your head
I see the guy wearing leg chaps. Excellent! I'm a forester and often visit loggers on the job- everyone's leg chaps have cuts in them. Anyone not wearing them using a saw is making a big mistake. The first ones I owned in the '70s were made of steel belts like on a tire! And were very heavy. Now they're almost weightless.
Leg chaps but no helmet??
@@georgeharsin6292 I had a forestry professor who had a scar running down the side of his face. In his first class of the semester he talked about it- how he got that when young, cutting with a chainsaw and not wearing a helmet and the saw kick backed. I'm glad I got that talk so I've always worn a helmet when using a saw.
That's insane, I never knew trees can do that.
Had something like this happen to me before, finished my cut and put my saw down on the ball end of the tree... went to get a sip of water, it took a minute or so to happen, but when the root ball slammed back it launched my saw about 15 feet into the air. Thankfully the only causualty that day was the saw🤫
Sounds like you got lucky that day. Logging is a dangerous sport
I know of someone who was crushed by a moving rootball quite a while after it had been cut.
I've cut a tree in a similar position but i cut in two places to release the pressure. I still can appreciate the potential danger.
I have several snaggles of uprooted trees on my property and it is slow work indeed. I don't have a choice but to try this at home. I have two huge birch trees leaning on a giant fir and all three are leaning toward the road. Don't try THIS at home, kids.
Didn't expected it to stand back like stamping on whatever is under the root ball.
I cut big oak fell across road on 2 fences blowover like that with big branches echo timbersaw 5 HP, those will roll if the limbs holding it up ain't cut
That could have been a very unexpected action to a lot of people. Too many folks would not have anticipated it.
On January 9th, 2024, it was very windy and rainy. It was so windy that the big pine tree in my backyard was uprooted. The tree people are coming tomorrow. The tree was very big and tall. It's now lying over the fence. It hit both my garage and the neighbors' garage.
Terrible
TUNE YOUR SAW! That low speed jet is starving of fuel.
Ain’t nobody got time for all that
@@mattwag56 So what do you do when your chain is dull? Or when you need to add gas or bar oil lol? What about changing the bar? Or cleaning air filter? Just toss the saw? This is all a part of using and operating a chain saw. Your saw would run so much cooler and harder and LONGER, not to mention start WAY easier. Just loosen up the “L” screw about 1/3 a turn counter clock wise, this is a good guess and should help a lot. That wining idle you hear after a hard cut and that increasing RPM is due to the low speed starting the engine of fuel.
People are buried in the forest that way.
That would be called a stump burial. 👊🏼👍🏼🤙🏼
damn.. the stomp's back!😅
Imagine being up 35- 40 ft. and you make a cut and it stands back up with you in it. Happened to me in 2005 during Hurricane Wilma clean up. Awesome tush.
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Nice they got it 2 pull out the root ball
i had this happen with a digger pine it stood10 feet back up and almost drug another 15 feet
Legend says thats how DooDah died in the bush( sung to Camptown Races)...seriously though, windthrown trees are a gnarly puzzle to be careful around.
Who is DooDah?
Yes, if you move it with heavy machinery it can kick up a dust cloud... yes, very dangerous...
Aaa...the old root ball counterweight. Looks like you got everything under control, tho
In the south we call that a hasty burial
Extraordinary
Why would someone stand under the rootball?
Watch yo kids is the moral of the story
Because people are stupid
The danger of standing under/near the root ball should be obvious. However, had he cut all the way through, it seems the same thing could've happened and kicked the saw up as well? So is the lesson here that you go to the underside to finish the cut? Assuming one doesn't have the big machine to help.
Not obvious to Greenhorns. They can think the sheer weight of it would do the opposite and keep it from doing anything else. They don't think of it being under all that pressure just waiting to be sprung loose.
I grew up doing this, if you didn’t, watch some videos please. Or call a professional. Be safe Y’all.
Great - I’m too ignorant on all of this to just cut a few trees on our property for firewood. How do you learn the basics (and I know this isn’t “basic”) to not die?
Watch videos like this, this was on a fairly steep hill, which throws a whole other set of rules into the game of cutting trees
Long bar is safety !and razor sharp chain
Wasted 4 feet of beautiful oak!!
Only time I ever almost got killed by a tree is stepping on a hive by the tree
That would be a bad way to go too
Good wood!
Thanks!
When I was a kid there was a old tree like this, me and my friends turned it into a dugout clubhouse. one day after school I went over to it only to discover a rotten stump on top of our stash of army men stolen cigarettes and porn mags, they were never to be seen again.
Haha heck of a story
well, yeah... who would stand under the root ball while its being cut?
And dude's not wearing eye protection you could loose your vision
It makes my eyes hurt just watching
The video explains absolutely nothing wtf
Dammit good 👍🏽 2 know ✅ 👌🏼
Yes sir it happens just like that. Watch that your dog isn't sniffing in that root hole while you cut the trunk loose. God be with anyone running a chain saw. Trees are evil.
But- if that log is going to be used by a sawmill- it would have been better to cut it lower. If possible- maybe he thought it was too dangerous. Not worth getting hurt for a few more dollars.
True
Seen it happen before
If your nose/head are too close to wood then it can
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I did not learn how a fallen tree can kill anyone …. 🤷♂️
When the stump went back into the ground like nothing happened, the guy laughed so hard he died.
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Wow that is a humdinger of a tree, I'd love to buck that with my 500i.
I'd sooner learn how to not let it kill me.
What's the point???
with the lifter available I'd have tried to move the trunk away from the root cavity to prevent the falling back
This tree was huge, our 863 Bobcat wouldn’t budge a large tree like this with a 40”+ base
But that’s a good idea 👍🏼
Don't let Jeffrey Dahmer cut it
Waste of time. Do better.
I don't get it. There was seemingly no tension on the tree besides the obvious upward tension on the rootball. How can that kill you?!? It's when they are under sideways tension and hit you like a giant baseball bat that they are dangerous! Or when the root ball can fall towards the tree and crush the feller, that's real bad news!
I guess the main point would be if someone(like a kid) happened to venture around the rootball while this was happening
I'm not quite getting this...
Riveting.
tell me this is your first tree without saying so
🤣It wasn’t and he didn’t want it to be his last either.
Or if it rolls on you
Facts
Great way to hide a body.😉
Interesting... I think most people would assume that a fallen tree like that is dynamically inert. How would you safely cut it, saw only?
the same way
Undercut it a little first. Then finish the cut from the top down. Tap in a couple of wedges to prevent binding the bar. No machine necessary.
It depends on the situation. Storm work is a very dynamic environment and even the most skilled can be caught off gaurd. Then tragedy, it only takes one misjudged cut. R.I.P. Jed.
Cut it and watch yer tootsies!
I knew a guy that had a huge oak like that, he cut from one side walked around the root of the tree and it snapped when he got behind it and buried him. A little bit of his hair was sticking out from under the dirt. That’s how they found him. I’ve been cutting storm damage trees and they are quite unpredictable. I will park my skid steer next to them so if they snap towards me it hits that instead of me. Lot easier to fix that than me.
How?
Jimmy Hoffa was a lumberjack.
That he was. But he was cutting trees in the wrong forest
Made no sense
Sharpen that chain!!
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So youve got a 16” saw, dull chain…makes sense
Giddy up
Only if you mess with it
Yea, well I didn't see it.
Gravity works, LOL
Really, really
Hmm , looks normal .
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I guess i missed it.
How to bury your mother In law
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Absolutely useless chainsaw op, painfully slow,
Haha 😆
? you lifted it up and gave it the force it needed to roll back.
this cannot happen otherwise... you couldve cut the log off without using the log underneath or a skid steer.
Didn’t saw all the way through, left a little hanging then bumped it with the skid steer
Certainly can and will happen. He left it partially attached on purpose. Then broke the rest of wood fibers with a machine at a safe distance.
"Without the log underneath".. Yep he strategically placed that whole ass fallen tree there before the other one uprooted and fell directly on top of it. Go ahead and do things your way man, if you can get your Poulan started..
@@garykirk1968 Physics is not your strong suit.
If he had simply cut the log off, the stump would have flipped back into place.
Anyone that cuts without ear protection that a helmet provides needs more training.
I would have cut through the butt and the same thing would have happened. The chopper didn't know how to do a clean cut.
We took the safe route, we didn’t cut all the way through with the saw on purpose, used the skid steer to push up against near the cut and break the rest of the cut safely
@@mattwag56 good decision using equipment if it's available. Keep being safe🥳