I still have a tinfoil hat theory that the reason Jordan is so venomous about Elliot is that he was attracted to him before the transition, and is now in a spiral.
probably. he’s the type of man to be attracted to innappropriately young women. and even more so the sort of man that would lash out aggressively when their target doesn’t align with binary gender standards. JP is the type of dude to hit on a trans woman and then attack her.
there's no doubt that he's still nutting to him, just hunched over, scream-grunting as he savagely blasts ropes into his own chin, crying because he doesn't like the implications, and yet he goons
“Will all their movies be reshot?!?” No they just changed the credits literally the day after his announcement. Wiki, IMDB, etc. Nobody cried about it. The world kept turning.
The fact that he uses the Bible as a rule book to dictate what other people can and can’t do. Meanwhile, he says harassment is a “lesser sin” and the Bible clearly states that all sins are equal…
i forgot how wild this was. The way Jordan talks is unreal. Kind of inspiring, if you just use a bunch of sort of scientific sounding words to circle around every point you make for an hour people will think you're smart
Yeah right? That's my main problem with these people. Like why would I care if Elliott Page is a trans man ? I don't know the guy. Trans people being trans literally doesn't affect me and my life at all. They also don't take away from my experience as a cis woman. It's just so bizarre to me that people seem to care so much about this meanwhile there are mass shootings every fucking week in America and that's apparently not a big deal for these idiots.
I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair
@@Derek_T Jordan Peterson voice: "And you may ask yourself, well, who actually LIVES in a pineapple under the sea. Well, Sponebob Squarepants! Of course! But what does that imply? I suppose it means to survive aquatically, as an inanimate bathtub object, one must equip themselves with HIGHLY ANGULAR trousers. You know it's like, if you could carve out a living for yourself; preferably inside of a large tropical fruit. Well, that's a bloody good start". th-cam.com/video/PDXE7TqOa5A/w-d-xo.html
There's definitely something to be said about the difference between the trans woman and biological woman experience being different and having unique struggles for each, but the way Macy Gray expresses that fact is with the intonation that the trans woman experience is invalid. She's not starting a constructive discussion, but rather trys to make trans women feel "other" by saying they are not the same. It's a critical difference in messaging.
this. while people who are perceived as women kind of face a pretty universal experience, the struggles that cis and trans women face can differ a lot, not to say that any struggle matters less than the other
Terfs often seem to forget about intersectionality and think that, just because a trans woman was once perceived as a man then they automatically experienced a life of privilege, which that’s not how privilege works at all; there’s a lot of factors at play (i.e. race, class, sexuality, etc.) not to mention trans women who are in the process of transitioning or when they are viewed by society as men being feminine, they don't enjoy of the privilege terfs claim. The same thing goes for cis women; intersectionality plays a big role in how they experience life as a woman. No woman's experiences are the same, be it cis women or trans women.
There are no biological women. There are female people raised as girls who grow up to be women. Woman is a social designation not a sex. That's what the word female is for. If a female person identities with their gendered up-bringing and grows up to be a woman, she is cis-gender. Her anatomy is not her gender, but they are linked.
@@ChannelSettingsTvcode yeah, I agree. Phrased it that way so it'd be easier for people who aren't aware of the issues and terminology would have an easier time understanding the point. I trust comments like these to educate the people who click into the comments to learn more. I know I delve in after I read an agreeable comment, ya know?
Does JP think flat chested cis women aren't women? Are cis men who have gynecomastia not men? Are men with that condition not allowed to get their man boobs removed? Are cis women not allowed to get breast reductions? Like there's so many surface level holes in what he's saying, not to mention the trans hate. His statements don't even hold up to cis people's conditions, which you think he'd go out of his way to support with how transphobic he's being. The contradictions and factual inaccuracies are all over the damn field. He really is spending a lot of energy on being angry. Can someone sign him up for a gender studies class at his local community College? But like damn, what he says falls apart for queer folks and cis folks. Also what about non binary people who get subtle gender affirming surgeries? Do those not count cuz they're not obvious enough for him to notice and get angry about? Headaches.
I am afab and I don't really get why some women are so up in arms about trans women. I welcome more people to understand the female condition. I'll fight for them and they can fight for us when it comes to human rights because we are all in it together
males cannot understand female conditions, just as white people cannot understand the condition of black people. it doesnt mean that trans identified males shouldnt be treated with respect though bc they are people
Such a ‘learned man’ cannot distinguish between the dictionary definition of pride and the cardinal sin of Pride. He’s also enforcing his faith onto Page. By golly he lacks self awareness, he is for sure a haughty pos. Edit: he’s wrathful too.
Yeah I don't get how your sole reason of being offended is because a transgender person merely exists. Live and let live, they not bothering nobody. What was even the point of that tweet.
How can you seriously say the sole reason hes offended is because another person exists. Thats fucking stupid and you’re obviously not listening to what jordan is really saying.
@@cldt1 why do you fuckin care though? It’s so much energy to just fight over something that should be trivial, acknowledge people the way they want to be acknowledged, and understand that gender and sex are different. Very few trans people claim that there is no difference between them at all. But there’s just no fucking reason to say oh you’re not a man, you’re not a woman, because a) what even is gender? A social construct that defines the way certain people dress and act, which is all made up shit. b) even if there is a physiological difference between the two, there are so few situations that that actually matters, outside something like sport where we do have strict rules about body chemistry and makeup. (This is not a comment on what should or shouldn’t be allowed in sports, just that it should be acknowledged there can be differences physiologically) Ultimately though, outside of fringe cases, it doesn’t affect you. You don’t struggle to call someone a doctor, you can use different titles based on what people request there, so why is this so fucking hard.
I find it fascinating that he chose to weaponize the "sin of pride" in this particular situation. In my opinion, in this video alone he was wrathful (also a sin) and his own excessive pride was literally oozing from his mouth from start to finish. He seems to have also forgotten the proverb "judge not lest ye be judged" which is not all that surprising in and of itself in this crazy judgemental society, but oh the irony...
@@Owen741. Right. Because that is literally the point? Please also note that I was very careful not to resort to name calling or saying he should burn in hell for his sins. Quite kindly and simply called out obvious hipocracy?
Wrath would be extreme anger. I do understand the difference of someone being annoyed/angry vs. presenting strong vengeful hatred or resentment towards a particular person (or people) for seemingly no reason. Jordan is entitled to have whatever opinion he wants. There are plenty of ways to get a point across without being spiteful/hateful in the delivery. I am not Trans so I don't have any personal stake in these exchanges, but since we aren't given a user's manual when we are born, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how anyone can say what is or isn't the correct way to live, provided you own personal decisions are not hurting anyone.
@@ladypiranha7174 That is a strange criticism. Twitter is an abhorrent business, they thrive off of making people angry and upset, and they don't treat their users fairly at all. Jordan's scorn and contempt for Twitter is completely warranted.
I do not disagree that Twitter is garbage. YT is my only social media, and it is toxic in its own right but that's a whole different discussion. He agreed to the ToS, as we all do when we sign up for any online service, so he knew he was going to be in violation. He made a choice to intentionally and publicly say what he did knowing darn well the reaction it was going to get from both sides of the fence - which he was free to do - just to be clear, but it was still his choice. He could have deleted the tweet but he instead chose to double down. Freedom of speech docent equal freedom from consequences. How is the anger warranted?
Not sure why people elevate celebs opinions. They are in the end just another human being. For example, Bette Midler's boomer opinion means nothing to me. I want to see the new Hocus Pocus because of nostalgia. If Bette had said something I agree with it would not want to make me see the movie anymore than I already do, nor does her saying something I disagree with deter me from seeing it. Her personal opinion means nothing to me personally.
To answer, it's about reach and potential harm. Reach: Jordan Peterson has a massive audience who will listen to him and spread his ideas. Potential harm: Jordan's ideas are hateful and also dangerous when put into practice. It is in our interest to stop these ideas from becoming real. So by talking about how Peterson is wrong, we can combat the misinformation he's spreading and in a way, reduce his reach and therefore reduce his potential harm. It's like if Peterson's bullshit was a virus and that complaining about him is a vaccination clinic.
I used to really like JP because even when I disagreed with him, he was respectful and thoughtful. After his meat coma he’s just become a 5th grade bully.
I actually went to a conference where a trans woman spoke about how the term trans women are women is like saying I don’t see color about race - you are erasing their individual struggles and what they have overcome to live their authentic lives…. Why is sameness the goal? We need to be embracing our differences 👌 💕
The issue with this take is that by creating these separate categories, you create more room for discrimination, too. Say for example, being trans had to be stated on official documents. I have associated this position more with rather conservative views, as from my (limited) experience, trans women want to be seen as women - that’s why they go through all of this.
@@juanzavala9023 I thought we were over the "what makes a woman a woman"-debate. No, it doesn't. A trans woman is allowed to function like any other women in our society. While a trans woman has *transitioned* to being a woman, that doesn't make her less of a woman.
@@giuseppino4872 bruh I'm on your side, LMAO. I'm saying that by creating separate categories, how will they ever feel like women? They will feel left out and people can discriminate.
How about we all just mind our own fucking business about other people's bodies 😒 and we just call people whatever they want to be called because it's so fucking easy to respect people's identity
Macy gray is my sons’ 3rd cousin (on their dads side). The man she calls her father is not her real father, her mom had an affair. & she’s the spitting image of this man. She has a half sister who looks & sounds exactly like her. & I dunno if she even knows all this. Weird they’ve brought her up, I hadn’t heard anything about her in years either.
The bulk of Elliot Page's acting career he was billed as Ellen Page. One of the most successful movies they've ever been in Juno was before he transitioned. It's not unreasonable for it to take time to get it right. It doesn't mean he or anyone else that makes the mistake isn't an ally.
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell."
As much as I love H3 , I have to completely disagree with them in regards to their take about trans women/men. They are called TRANS women/men, not CIS. Getting plastic breasts, cutting your adam's apple or taking testosterone and wearing men's clothes, does not make you a real woman or man. They have completely different experiences and struggles. I support their rights and I agree that transphobia is real, however you can not force people to believe in something that is simply not true. And no Ethan, I am not saying this because secretly I want to sleep with a trans man or woman. Sheeesh...
why is that the main thing people jump to? "forcing" people to do something. imo you missed the point of the criticism 😅 it's not about forcing people its more like showing that person respect. just like how you don't question someone's name. if someone introduces themselves as James you won't say "well you dont look like a James, you look like a Steven" its really that simple 😄
i completely agree. i will simply never agree with their ideas about trans stuff on this podcast but i am still a big fan and its not important i agree on everything. usually i just skip the trans stuff they talk about, unless its funny like this video dunking on jordan being a doofus
literally harassing for gender identity, admits it, and then directly tries to say that he wasn't doing it? Man to have that much ignorance, he must live in a wonderful place in his head
I think it's completely understandable why some people do not understand transgenderism. I think some people who claim they get it fully don't actually. What bothers me is for some of the people who don't understand it, also don't either do any research on it or only for confirmation bias. & I am disturbed by how evil/judgemental people get just for someone innocently living their lives. For me, even trying to research it, idk if I will ever 100% fully understand it, since I am not trans, & I don't think I would care if I was born male or female. I just dress, act, & live my life the way I want to. I'm lucky to have that privilege. From what I've understood, is that it is much deeper than that. My sister has come out as trans for the past year & I support her & would never abandon her for this choice. However, can't say the same for her dad/his wife & some other family members. What really annoys me is how people who don't understand transgenderism is that they don't understand the difference between gender & sex. I wish that would be more deep dived into & explained to these a holes. The only worry I have with being trans is the risk of surgeries & mostly hormones some of them go through. It's all risky. Anyway, as you can tell I'm still trying to learn & understand more.
Ignorance certainly is a problem. In regards to gender and sex, they are indeed different however, only one applies to us. We have a sex. Gender is not related to us but rather nouns that don’t have a sex. Words can be gendered for example. Not people. People have abused language as of late and it’s causing a lot of confusion. Even the idea of “feeling like woman” as a man is odd as it would first require one to define what it is to be a woman in the first place. Regardless, to each their own. Sexuality is somebody’s private matter. None of our business and does not need to be in public else it will and be scrutinized publicly. This is not negotiable. Keep it yourself or people will give their opinion on it.
It’s not about understanding trans people if you have a basic understanding of biology wait not even that if you have a brain and two eyes a brain that has critical thinking and logical thinking I should say, there are two genders male and female that is it no more you can say intersex but that’s less then 1% of people on the planet so if you know that there 2 genders as a fact you would then go onto say that there’s two sexes because sex is just another word for gender that’s why we have those two words used interchangeably on documents because they literally mean the same thing you can say there’s two so if we can’t agree on that fact I’ll say again FACT then we have to end the conversation here I’ll give you the benefit of doubt and hope you can think past level 2, people make the argument that sex is a social construct but how? Sex isn’t fluid we don’t get to pick our own words Zubi a creator who became a woman for one day and broke the lifting record for women made a comparison that I’m gonna use because you can understand it I hope, race makes more sense to be interchanged because that is a real social construct we aren’t literally black or white or Yellow and whatever other color but we relate where we are from to that colour so if someone said I don’t know what race I am if I asked where their parents where from I would be able to come up with a colour but if you took away all the social conditioning we would just be humans with different features, Sex can’t be fluid since it’s not a construct it’s a fact there’s the male species and the female species only in the past 25 years have we tried to say no biology and facts don’t matter but the reality is facts don’t care about weather you believe in it or not a fact is a fact no matter how you choose to look at it a fact is just an objective truth so this leads to my next point, if a fact is an objective truth and it’s still true weather you believe in it or not how can you be something that you are literally not every fiber of your being every atom in your body points towards what you are but you are saying no, I’m not that I’m the other gender that’s not logical is it ,in fact that is literally the definition of delusion to believe in something that isn’t accurate or true. So now we have established the reality of the situation and how sex and gender isn’t interchangeable nor is sex a social construct since that’s just woke leftist bullshit and I’m not on the right or left so don’t take what I say with a bias. People are so ignorant to the programming that’s being fed down their throat they are accepting things that aren’t based in reality if I came to you saying I’m an Asian man and I’m white you would think I’m crazy yet if I’m a man wanting to be a woman that’s acceptable for some reason it doesn’t make any sense also trans people have a higher suicide rate then the Jewish people that were living under nazi German rule so who has better treatment the delusional people or victims of war, looking at that statistic alone should tell you all you need to know I hope you go on to look into what I have to say because if you have a brain you know I’m right in fact history would agree with me only now when we have literally everything in life like the best quality of living the best facilities and so on can we sit here in our privileged life’s and make problems out of thin air shit like this isn’t going on in Africa or in Mexico or Brazil or literally any country that isn’t in the us or eu we are living so comfortably now we can literally create problems may I add, trans people are a minority and we are pandering to them so hard for what reason? We’re allowing them to educate our children for what reason? We’re pandering to women for what reason? Mens issues aren’t being addressed for what reason what is the agenda they’re pushing? Why are they pushing it? These are all questions you should be asking yourself why are they doing this what is the reason for this only then will you have the answer if you don’t want to seek this information for yourself I can answer those questions but this comment has been long enough, I’d also recommend to stop watching this idiot L3L3 he is the poster boy of what not to be as a man he is the exact opposite of what a man should be
@@comedyshortsinc I think most people grow out of giving potentially hurtful, unsolicited opinions after high school. Well maybe today's subject excluded. I think it's reasonable to expect people will notice you and may not understan I'md. It's unfortunate but won't be this way forever. But anyone intending to
The Jordan segments are hard to listen to. Can you take the high road for once and not mention his addiction to benzos? Many of your fans have struggled with them as well.
His addiction to benzos isn't the joke, it's the hypocrisy and lunacy of someone being so spiteful and disingenuous acting like an authority. Struggling with addiction isn't the punchline, a hypocrite being flawed and arrogant is
So disgusted by that tweet my son is gay and I couldn’t believe that a professor of psychology couldn’t see the difference in pride in the Bible and pride actually means to the LGBTQ Community
Lets wait 10 years and see if you would say that again. If you pay close attention to how the transgender activist act these days i would say they are actually damaging people than helping them. I really recommend you to sit down and watch videos of peterson talking about these topics. You will love him and you will understand that he cares more about your son, or any trans/gay person than any Trans activist out there. I wish you the best.
You have no idea how misrepresented and misunderstood Peterson is...you will be shocked your self. I highly recommend you watch his lectures or read his books.
Trans men get hate and harassment right when the switch happens. Alot of times men who had an interest in you before you transition LOSE THEIR MINDS after they find out youre going to or have been transitioning. Despite not actually being a suitor or anything. They had a crush and you ruined it so now they hate you 💀💀💀
The sport thing is a totally different subject that is legitimate. They need to make a division for transitioned people in professional sports and be done with it.
transmen do experience transphobia, we arent fear mongered so we arent publicised as much, but we still are seen as trans, thus still experience transphobia.. we are seen as mentally ill women, which is what people use to laws prventing transition.. we are seen as freaks who groom young girls into gender transition, we experience transphobia and transphobic stereotypes around transmen are being used in bills... obviously we dont experience transmisogyny and trans women tend to get the shitty end of the stick for that, but dont deem elliot page as the only transmasc to experience transphobia...?
I don't understand how This even Affects his life at all. He could have just bit his tongue and kept his opinion to himself. But now like alot of people (including myself) we have an opinion of a topic we have no insight into
Psych graduate here. I don't understand how this man got a degree in Psychology and still hasn't learned the difference between biological sex and psychological gender. It's not hard. And it's psych 101. Did he just buy his degree?
@@stevenmansell5595 I liked Jordan for some time and I had no idea he felt this way. He was on h3 and many other podcasts just being a normal guy. Like a less charismatic Dr drew psychology type going around doing podcasts. I don’t know if one day he became very extreme and aggressive with his views, or suddenly most of us just started to see it clearly… but I do think he was famous before his transphobic bs. I think it keeps him relevant for sure though.
@@NukeCaulfield no lmao. His words are not big, he just uses a lot of them. Once you get to higher education, JP's style becomes an obvious copy of other intellectuals.
@@NukeCaulfield oh thanks, thats true, sorry man. So instead, the words he uses are nonsense and not taken seriously by people who are not naive. He is perfectly understandable, he just says silly things
Anyone can lie about an all meat diet while also taking benzos and if they don't create and consume 24/7 right wing propoganda their brain will be just fine as any other benzo dependant. The right wing propoganda and religious fundamentalism is melting his brain for sure though.
@@getshrekt92 yes ofcourse you'r right. My joke is a little prejudice. I also think his political vieuw is limiting his objective thinking about this issue and it isn't because of his earlier dependency of benzos :D
this is what it looks like when people who are badly informed but have a good intention in their heart talk about tans people and their rights a stuff like ´´gatekeeping´´. please guys get educated about it before calling someone else a hater.
Guys, i might be wrong but shes up there because she was forced into an apology over something she said.. thats why she had an answer like " its a human with boobs" i might be wrong but im fairly sure. Its a little unfair to be dunking on her like that.
Jorden has never thought that "trans womman" are real womman so why you brining this up now? you had him on the podcast, why didnt you bring it up too him to his face if it bothers you so much ?
@@ross3015 masks do nothing look up scientific studies less than 10% effectiveness rate. Plus he pulled the mask down half the time look at the thumbnail 🧐
@@MorosNyx You just couldnt help yourself could you? well guess what- if you really think that way you can just actually clean your room and go outside and not ever see Ethan again.
I still have a tinfoil hat theory that the reason Jordan is so venomous about Elliot is that he was attracted to him before the transition, and is now in a spiral.
probably. he’s the type of man to be attracted to innappropriately young women. and even more so the sort of man that would lash out aggressively when their target doesn’t align with binary gender standards. JP is the type of dude to hit on a trans woman and then attack her.
That is not impossible. A lot of pathological narcissists are closet homosexuals
I think in these circumstances that's just having a true thought while wearing a regular hat
And is *still* attracted to him 😂
there's no doubt that he's still nutting to him, just hunched over, scream-grunting as he savagely blasts ropes into his own chin, crying because he doesn't like the implications, and yet he goons
“Will all their movies be reshot?!?” No they just changed the credits literally the day after his announcement. Wiki, IMDB, etc. Nobody cried about it. The world kept turning.
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@@celestehernandez7852 bx
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The fact that he uses the Bible as a rule book to dictate what other people can and can’t do. Meanwhile, he says harassment is a “lesser sin” and the Bible clearly states that all sins are equal…
Which is fucking crazy:
“My dads an idiot” = *Murder*
Twitter is not that serious, people act like a ban is the end of their life.
i forgot how wild this was. The way Jordan talks is unreal. Kind of inspiring, if you just use a bunch of sort of scientific sounding words to circle around every point you make for an hour people will think you're smart
I don't know if a clip nearly half the length of the podcast can be called a highlight.
ffs dude.. I was thinking that I am wathcing podcast..then I see your post.. and THIS IS HIGHLIGHT? Omg
Highlights are to post individual segments. This was a long segment. It’s occurred before. There are fans like me who prefer to watch it this way.
We’re still watching it tho😂
who made you the highlight police 🤨
It’s their channel, get over it.
I wish he named the surgeon by name, so that the surgeon could sue the fuck for defamation
AB hits the nail on the head again "They make such a big deal out of this, it must be effecting them on a personal level."
Yeah right? That's my main problem with these people. Like why would I care if Elliott Page is a trans man ? I don't know the guy. Trans people being trans literally doesn't affect me and my life at all. They also don't take away from my experience as a cis woman. It's just so bizarre to me that people seem to care so much about this meanwhile there are mass shootings every fucking week in America and that's apparently not a big deal for these idiots.
Not necessarily you don’t have to be affected personally by an issue to be against it.
You are wrong.
@@dowogenesthedog7186 I’m not but thanks for stopping by
@@Jessica-jl7dx I know, you're right. I referring to the original comment.
The sons of bitches line is so funny man
ikr???
What rewells
I say it in my daily life now
I saw my maternal grandmother sitting by the bank of a swimming pool, that was also a river. Her genital region was exposed, dimly; it had the appearance of a thick mat of hair. She was stroking herself, absent-mindedly. She walked over to me, with a handful of pubic hair
Stopppp 🤢
@@Derek_T I let her have her way..
I still cant believe that he not only wrote that but did an audiobook version 😮
@@ImSpektra “what would we do without stroking grannies?!”
@@Derek_T Jordan Peterson voice: "And you may ask yourself, well, who actually LIVES in a pineapple under the sea. Well, Sponebob Squarepants! Of course! But what does that imply? I suppose it means to survive aquatically, as an inanimate bathtub object, one must equip themselves with HIGHLY ANGULAR trousers. You know it's like, if you could carve out a living for yourself; preferably inside of a large tropical fruit. Well, that's a bloody good start".
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There's definitely something to be said about the difference between the trans woman and biological woman experience being different and having unique struggles for each, but the way Macy Gray expresses that fact is with the intonation that the trans woman experience is invalid. She's not starting a constructive discussion, but rather trys to make trans women feel "other" by saying they are not the same. It's a critical difference in messaging.
this. while people who are perceived as women kind of face a pretty universal experience, the struggles that cis and trans women face can differ a lot, not to say that any struggle matters less than the other
Terfs often seem to forget about intersectionality and think that, just because a trans woman was once perceived as a man then they automatically experienced a life of privilege, which that’s not how privilege works at all; there’s a lot of factors at play (i.e. race, class, sexuality, etc.) not to mention trans women who are in the process of transitioning or when they are viewed by society as men being feminine, they don't enjoy of the privilege terfs claim. The same thing goes for cis women; intersectionality plays a big role in how they experience life as a woman. No woman's experiences are the same, be it cis women or trans women.
There are no biological women. There are female people raised as girls who grow up to be women. Woman is a social designation not a sex. That's what the word female is for. If a female person identities with their gendered up-bringing and grows up to be a woman, she is cis-gender. Her anatomy is not her gender, but they are linked.
there has literally never been a constructive discussion on any show involving Piers Morgan
@@ChannelSettingsTvcode yeah, I agree. Phrased it that way so it'd be easier for people who aren't aware of the issues and terminology would have an easier time understanding the point. I trust comments like these to educate the people who click into the comments to learn more. I know I delve in after I read an agreeable comment, ya know?
25:28 is the timestamp ya’ll looking for
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ha. A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.
Does JP think flat chested cis women aren't women? Are cis men who have gynecomastia not men? Are men with that condition not allowed to get their man boobs removed? Are cis women not allowed to get breast reductions? Like there's so many surface level holes in what he's saying, not to mention the trans hate. His statements don't even hold up to cis people's conditions, which you think he'd go out of his way to support with how transphobic he's being. The contradictions and factual inaccuracies are all over the damn field. He really is spending a lot of energy on being angry. Can someone sign him up for a gender studies class at his local community College? But like damn, what he says falls apart for queer folks and cis folks. Also what about non binary people who get subtle gender affirming surgeries? Do those not count cuz they're not obvious enough for him to notice and get angry about? Headaches.
There are men or women. There is no cis.
Shoutout to Jordan being able to differentiate the names Darth Vader and Anakin skywalker
“Impossible naming style” I thought men were doing impossible things???
peterson has become a complete parody of himself, it's equal parts hilarious and painful to watch
Ironic
You are spot on.
He was like this from the beginning
Man! Zach really did pull so many sound bites from this one video! It's hilarious 😂
It is a pure carat Jordan mine and Zach took the opportunity
"Up yours woke moralists! We'll see who cancels who! Sons of a bitches!" 🤣✌️💜
I am afab and I don't really get why some women are so up in arms about trans women. I welcome more people to understand the female condition. I'll fight for them and they can fight for us when it comes to human rights because we are all in it together
males cannot understand female conditions, just as white people cannot understand the condition of black people. it doesnt mean that trans identified males shouldnt be treated with respect though bc they are people
Ethan’s impression is seriously on point
Not at all lol.
Such a ‘learned man’ cannot distinguish between the dictionary definition of pride and the cardinal sin of Pride. He’s also enforcing his faith onto Page. By golly he lacks self awareness, he is for sure a haughty pos. Edit: he’s wrathful too.
Look at you thinking you said anything remotely true
@@Aryzo Everything they just said is true. Every word.
Watch the video dummie
@@TheDailyWisecrack it's an 1 h 24 min give me a timestamp
@@Aryzo what are your thoughts on trans people?
His Macy gray impression 🤣
Dan has the personality of brain from family guy
“Dan get yo ass over here 😏” lol 🤣
Yeah I don't get how your sole reason of being offended is because a transgender person merely exists. Live and let live, they not bothering nobody. What was even the point of that tweet.
How can you seriously say the sole reason hes offended is because another person exists. Thats fucking stupid and you’re obviously not listening to what jordan is really saying.
The issue is then wanting to be called real women or men. They are not
@@cldt1 why do you fuckin care though? It’s so much energy to just fight over something that should be trivial, acknowledge people the way they want to be acknowledged, and understand that gender and sex are different. Very few trans people claim that there is no difference between them at all. But there’s just no fucking reason to say oh you’re not a man, you’re not a woman, because a) what even is gender? A social construct that defines the way certain people dress and act, which is all made up shit. b) even if there is a physiological difference between the two, there are so few situations that that actually matters, outside something like sport where we do have strict rules about body chemistry and makeup. (This is not a comment on what should or shouldn’t be allowed in sports, just that it should be acknowledged there can be differences physiologically)
Ultimately though, outside of fringe cases, it doesn’t affect you. You don’t struggle to call someone a doctor, you can use different titles based on what people request there, so why is this so fucking hard.
@@cldt1 Exactly. They are corrupting society. They should shut the f**k up and live their life peacefully and don't advocate that shit to others.
@@cldt1 stop crying
I find it fascinating that he chose to weaponize the "sin of pride" in this particular situation. In my opinion, in this video alone he was wrathful (also a sin) and his own excessive pride was literally oozing from his mouth from start to finish. He seems to have also forgotten the proverb "judge not lest ye be judged" which is not all that surprising in and of itself in this crazy judgemental society, but oh the irony...
@@Owen741. Right. Because that is literally the point? Please also note that I was very careful not to resort to name calling or saying he should burn in hell for his sins. Quite kindly and simply called out obvious hipocracy?
Christians do consider wrath to be a sin, but that doesn't mean that they're never allowed to be angry.
Wrath would be extreme anger. I do understand the difference of someone being annoyed/angry vs. presenting strong vengeful hatred or resentment towards a particular person (or people) for seemingly no reason. Jordan is entitled to have whatever opinion he wants. There are plenty of ways to get a point across without being spiteful/hateful in the delivery. I am not Trans so I don't have any personal stake in these exchanges, but since we aren't given a user's manual when we are born, I have a hard time wrapping my brain around how anyone can say what is or isn't the correct way to live, provided you own personal decisions are not hurting anyone.
@@ladypiranha7174 That is a strange criticism. Twitter is an abhorrent business, they thrive off of making people angry and upset, and they don't treat their users fairly at all. Jordan's scorn and contempt for Twitter is completely warranted.
I do not disagree that Twitter is garbage. YT is my only social media, and it is toxic in its own right but that's a whole different discussion. He agreed to the ToS, as we all do when we sign up for any online service, so he knew he was going to be in violation. He made a choice to intentionally and publicly say what he did knowing darn well the reaction it was going to get from both sides of the fence - which he was free to do - just to be clear, but it was still his choice. He could have deleted the tweet but he instead chose to double down. Freedom of speech docent equal freedom from consequences. How is the anger warranted?
Not sure why people elevate celebs opinions. They are in the end just another human being. For example, Bette Midler's boomer opinion means nothing to me. I want to see the new Hocus Pocus because of nostalgia. If Bette had said something I agree with it would not want to make me see the movie anymore than I already do, nor does her saying something I disagree with deter me from seeing it. Her personal opinion means nothing to me personally.
To answer, it's about reach and potential harm.
Reach: Jordan Peterson has a massive audience who will listen to him and spread his ideas.
Potential harm: Jordan's ideas are hateful and also dangerous when put into practice. It is in our interest to stop these ideas from becoming real.
So by talking about how Peterson is wrong, we can combat the misinformation he's spreading and in a way, reduce his reach and therefore reduce his potential harm. It's like if Peterson's bullshit was a virus and that complaining about him is a vaccination clinic.
I used to really like JP because even when I disagreed with him, he was respectful and thoughtful. After his meat coma he’s just become a 5th grade
bully.
29:44 I laughed so hard at “pride hour” 😭
Pride minute
@@bucksafterdark4752 pride second
If you say Shoenice three times in the mirror, he will spam 300 comments on your video
I actually went to a conference where a trans woman spoke about how the term trans women are women is like saying I don’t see color about race - you are erasing their individual struggles and what they have overcome to live their authentic lives…. Why is sameness the goal? We need to be embracing our differences 👌 💕
This!!!
The issue with this take is that by creating these separate categories, you create more room for discrimination, too. Say for example, being trans had to be stated on official documents. I have associated this position more with rather conservative views, as from my (limited) experience, trans women want to be seen as women - that’s why they go through all of this.
This proves leeway into saying they’re not fully women?
@@juanzavala9023 I thought we were over the "what makes a woman a woman"-debate. No, it doesn't. A trans woman is allowed to function like any other women in our society. While a trans woman has *transitioned* to being a woman, that doesn't make her less of a woman.
@@giuseppino4872 bruh I'm on your side, LMAO. I'm saying that by creating separate categories, how will they ever feel like women? They will feel left out and people can discriminate.
How about we all just mind our own fucking business about other people's bodies 😒 and we just call people whatever they want to be called because it's so fucking easy to respect people's identity
exactly...nobody should care about a sex change. i wish this whole topic would dissapear just as badly as you...but because of other reasons lol
Macy gray is my sons’ 3rd cousin (on their dads side). The man she calls her father is not her real father, her mom had an affair. & she’s the spitting image of this man. She has a half sister who looks & sounds exactly like her. & I dunno if she even knows all this. Weird they’ve brought her up, I hadn’t heard anything about her in years either.
Why does Jordan Peterson's video look like Red Alert 3 cinematics.
I love that this is the origin of Pride Minute. 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
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an hour and a half clip is not a highlight guys....
I’m so done with this topic
I watched two unskippable ads and then it said No Stream, Tap to Retry
TH-cam hates you
40:25 is Jo-Jo literally having an aneurism?? I think she is.
An hour and a half highlight of just Jordan Peterson's temper tantrum, this is great 🤣
i love that ethan almost got elliott page’s name wrong but just the last name. true trans ally right there
That is so Ethan. Lol
The bulk of Elliot Page's acting career he was billed as Ellen Page. One of the most successful movies they've ever been in Juno was before he transitioned. It's not unreasonable for it to take time to get it right. It doesn't mean he or anyone else that makes the mistake isn't an ally.
Doesnt mean s#it
I wonder if he had this hard a time when p diddy changed his name like 5 times?
Or snoopdogg
Or when prince changed his name to a symbol. I would love to hear what he has to say about that 😂
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell."
As much as I love H3 , I have to completely disagree with them in regards to their take about trans women/men. They are called TRANS women/men, not CIS. Getting plastic breasts, cutting your adam's apple or taking testosterone and wearing men's clothes, does not make you a real woman or man. They have completely different experiences and struggles. I support their rights and I agree that transphobia is real, however you can not force people to believe in something that is simply not true. And no Ethan, I am not saying this because secretly I want to sleep with a trans man or woman. Sheeesh...
why is that the main thing people jump to? "forcing" people to do something. imo you missed the point of the criticism 😅 it's not about forcing people its more like showing that person respect. just like how you don't question someone's name. if someone introduces themselves as James you won't say "well you dont look like a James, you look like a Steven" its really that simple 😄
Damn you really think you’re coming off as reasonable
Why do you even care
i completely agree. i will simply never agree with their ideas about trans stuff on this podcast but i am still a big fan and its not important i agree on everything. usually i just skip the trans stuff they talk about, unless its funny like this video dunking on jordan being a doofus
literally harassing for gender identity, admits it, and then directly tries to say that he wasn't doing it? Man to have that much ignorance, he must live in a wonderful place in his head
Shoutout to you guys for being such good trans ally’s ❤️ peace and love
Trans women are not real women. Trans men are not real men.
Lol
I think it's completely understandable why some people do not understand transgenderism. I think some people who claim they get it fully don't actually. What bothers me is for some of the people who don't understand it, also don't either do any research on it or only for confirmation bias. & I am disturbed by how evil/judgemental people get just for someone innocently living their lives.
For me, even trying to research it, idk if I will ever 100% fully understand it, since I am not trans, & I don't think I would care if I was born male or female. I just dress, act, & live my life the way I want to. I'm lucky to have that privilege. From what I've understood, is that it is much deeper than that. My sister has come out as trans for the past year & I support her & would never abandon her for this choice. However, can't say the same for her dad/his wife & some other family members. What really annoys me is how people who don't understand transgenderism is that they don't understand the difference between gender & sex. I wish that would be more deep dived into & explained to these a holes.
The only worry I have with being trans is the risk of surgeries & mostly hormones some of them go through. It's all risky. Anyway, as you can tell I'm still trying to learn & understand more.
Ignorance certainly is a problem. In regards to gender and sex, they are indeed different however, only one applies to us. We have a sex. Gender is not related to us but rather nouns that don’t have a sex. Words can be gendered for example. Not people. People have abused language as of late and it’s causing a lot of confusion. Even the idea of “feeling like woman” as a man is odd as it would first require one to define what it is to be a woman in the first place. Regardless, to each their own. Sexuality is somebody’s private matter. None of our business and does not need to be in public else it will and be scrutinized publicly. This is not negotiable. Keep it yourself or people will give their opinion on it.
It’s not about understanding trans people if you have a basic understanding of biology wait not even that if you have a brain and two eyes a brain that has critical thinking and logical thinking I should say, there are two genders male and female that is it no more you can say intersex but that’s less then 1% of people on the planet so if you know that there 2 genders as a fact you would then go onto say that there’s two sexes because sex is just another word for gender that’s why we have those two words used interchangeably on documents because they literally mean the same thing you can say there’s two so if we can’t agree on that fact I’ll say again FACT then we have to end the conversation here I’ll give you the benefit of doubt and hope you can think past level 2, people make the argument that sex is a social construct but how? Sex isn’t fluid we don’t get to pick our own words Zubi a creator who became a woman for one day and broke the lifting record for women made a comparison that I’m gonna use because you can understand it I hope, race makes more sense to be interchanged because that is a real social construct we aren’t literally black or white or Yellow and whatever other color but we relate where we are from to that colour so if someone said I don’t know what race I am if I asked where their parents where from I would be able to come up with a colour but if you took away all the social conditioning we would just be humans with different features, Sex can’t be fluid since it’s not a construct it’s a fact there’s the male species and the female species only in the past 25 years have we tried to say no biology and facts don’t matter but the reality is facts don’t care about weather you believe in it or not a fact is a fact no matter how you choose to look at it a fact is just an objective truth so this leads to my next point, if a fact is an objective truth and it’s still true weather you believe in it or not how can you be something that you are literally not every fiber of your being every atom in your body points towards what you are but you are saying no, I’m not that I’m the other gender that’s not logical is it ,in fact that is literally the definition of delusion to believe in something that isn’t accurate or true. So now we have established the reality of the situation and how sex and gender isn’t interchangeable nor is sex a social construct since that’s just woke leftist bullshit and I’m not on the right or left so don’t take what I say with a bias. People are so ignorant to the programming that’s being fed down their throat they are accepting things that aren’t based in reality if I came to you saying I’m an Asian man and I’m white you would think I’m crazy yet if I’m a man wanting to be a woman that’s acceptable for some reason it doesn’t make any sense also trans people have a higher suicide rate then the Jewish people that were living under nazi German rule so who has better treatment the delusional people or victims of war, looking at that statistic alone should tell you all you need to know I hope you go on to look into what I have to say because if you have a brain you know I’m right in fact history would agree with me only now when we have literally everything in life like the best quality of living the best facilities and so on can we sit here in our privileged life’s and make problems out of thin air shit like this isn’t going on in Africa or in Mexico or Brazil or literally any country that isn’t in the us or eu we are living so comfortably now we can literally create problems may I add, trans people are a minority and we are pandering to them so hard for what reason? We’re allowing them to educate our children for what reason? We’re pandering to women for what reason? Mens issues aren’t being addressed for what reason what is the agenda they’re pushing? Why are they pushing it? These are all questions you should be asking yourself why are they doing this what is the reason for this only then will you have the answer if you don’t want to seek this information for yourself I can answer those questions but this comment has been long enough, I’d also recommend to stop watching this idiot L3L3 he is the poster boy of what not to be as a man he is the exact opposite of what a man should be
@@comedyshortsinc I think most people grow out of giving potentially hurtful, unsolicited opinions after high school. Well maybe today's subject excluded.
I think it's reasonable to expect people will notice you and may not understan I'md. It's unfortunate but won't be this way forever.
But anyone intending to
Still waiting for my Jordan Peterson Trisha Paytas Muppets Crossover
The Jordan segments are hard to listen to. Can you take the high road for once and not mention his addiction to benzos? Many of your fans have struggled with them as well.
His addiction to benzos isn't the joke, it's the hypocrisy and lunacy of someone being so spiteful and disingenuous acting like an authority. Struggling with addiction isn't the punchline, a hypocrite being flawed and arrogant is
Can be addicted to anything, like food for instance
@@chaseh432 Why mention benzos then? If the arguments are flawed, deal with the arguments.
@@trailersfromhell2539 that's why he's a hypocrite 🤦
@@limesauce1866 How?
Macy Gray < Dan the Hater
@28:12 huge clipping problem right after zach makes fun of clipping problems (edit: sorry bro i had to. literally laughed out loud when i heard it)
So disgusted by that tweet my son is gay and I couldn’t believe that a professor of psychology couldn’t see the difference in pride in the Bible and pride actually means to the LGBTQ Community
Lets wait 10 years and see if you would say that again. If you pay close attention to how the transgender activist act these days i would say they are actually damaging people than helping them. I really recommend you to sit down and watch videos of peterson talking about these topics. You will love him and you will understand that he cares more about your son, or any trans/gay person than any Trans activist out there. I wish you the best.
You have no idea how misrepresented and misunderstood Peterson is...you will be shocked your self. I highly recommend you watch his lectures or read his books.
@@HavingVision go away troll 🧼🚿🛀
Trans men get hate and harassment right when the switch happens. Alot of times men who had an interest in you before you transition LOSE THEIR MINDS after they find out youre going to or have been transitioning. Despite not actually being a suitor or anything. They had a crush and you ruined it so now they hate you 💀💀💀
Why can’t Macy Gray have an opinion though? Just because she’s not an expert?
The sport thing is a totally different subject that is legitimate. They need to make a division for transitioned people in professional sports and be done with it.
Dan with the Macy gray impression 😂😂😂
The hills people die on these days
This is beautiful
transmen do experience transphobia, we arent fear mongered so we arent publicised as much, but we still are seen as trans, thus still experience transphobia.. we are seen as mentally ill women, which is what people use to laws prventing transition.. we are seen as freaks who groom young girls into gender transition, we experience transphobia and transphobic stereotypes around transmen are being used in bills... obviously we dont experience transmisogyny and trans women tend to get the shitty end of the stick for that, but dont deem elliot page as the only transmasc to experience transphobia...?
My best friend transitioned last year because she was on the verge of suicide. It's people like Macy Gray why she didn't transition sooner.
I don't understand how This even Affects his life at all.
He could have just bit his tongue and kept his opinion to himself. But now like alot of people (including myself) we have an opinion of a topic we have no insight into
He’s a psychologist, of course he has insight on this topic. Ironically, it’s you with no insight speaking on a topic.
It is the highlight of his career, everything goes downhill from that point onwards.
Psych graduate here. I don't understand how this man got a degree in Psychology and still hasn't learned the difference between biological sex and psychological gender. It's not hard. And it's psych 101. Did he just buy his degree?
Its the same how some christian fundamentalists have evolutionary biology degrees. He's a grifter, its willful ignorance.
willful ignorance + benzo brain damage + conservatism = jordan
He probably did tbh he's so dumb for a "professor"
It’s so sad how far Jordan has fallen
he got famous from being transphobic
@@stevenmansell5595 I liked Jordan for some time and I had no idea he felt this way. He was on h3 and many other podcasts just being a normal guy. Like a less charismatic Dr drew psychology type going around doing podcasts. I don’t know if one day he became very extreme and aggressive with his views, or suddenly most of us just started to see it clearly… but I do think he was famous before his transphobic bs. I think it keeps him relevant for sure though.
He hasn't fallen at all. You are brainwashed and dislike it when someone speaks against the crowd
@@Kotoamatsukami6910 omg please don’t project on to me like this. I reject your judgement completely. Thank you, but no thank you.
@@n0thanku Oh no, a real person in this comment section full with bots. REJECT him quickly before he forces us to use our brains🤡
Why are we ignoring common sense? Why does it take an "expert" to define what a woman is? Do we need an expert to say the sky is blue?
Jordan Peterson talks like he thinks saying big words means you're smarter.
You just don't understand the words.
@@NukeCaulfield no lmao. His words are not big, he just uses a lot of them. Once you get to higher education, JP's style becomes an obvious copy of other intellectuals.
@@ChannelSettingsTvcode I didn't call them big words. I called them words.
@@ChannelSettingsTvcode For sure. I work at a university and real academics don't have time for him and write him off as a clown
@@NukeCaulfield oh thanks, thats true, sorry man. So instead, the words he uses are nonsense and not taken seriously by people who are not naive. He is perfectly understandable, he just says silly things
Yes, males. Tell us who is a real woman and who isn't.
Why would men not be able to define women?
@@robertmartin6800 Cause they're not biologists.
@@robertmartin6800The men that feel the need to define women are the ones who ironically know the least about women
@@LazarheaD So how is that different to women?
@@LazarheaD but you don’t have to be one to know ffs
"I turn you off while I'm siiiingin' to you"
-Macy Grey
Ethans JP impression sounds like the grandpa from Willy Sonja and the chocolate factory 😂😂
I think his diet and benzo dependency is melting his brain
Anyone can lie about an all meat diet while also taking benzos and if they don't create and consume 24/7 right wing propoganda their brain will be just fine as any other benzo dependant. The right wing propoganda and religious fundamentalism is melting his brain for sure though.
bold of you to assume he ever had a brain to begin with
@@getshrekt92 yes ofcourse you'r right. My joke is a little prejudice. I also think his political vieuw is limiting his objective thinking about this issue and it isn't because of his earlier dependency of benzos :D
Dans impressions of JP are literally the best!!!! I choked when he said “with glee..” 1:10:28
I wonder how many people have gone up to Ethan and said 'Your content saved my life'.
lay some respect please.
🤣I like ethan but none
Wow a hour highlight we're blessed
this is what it looks like when people who are badly informed but have a good intention in their heart talk about tans people and their rights a stuff like ´´gatekeeping´´. please guys get educated about it before calling someone else a hater.
Guys, i might be wrong but shes up there because she was forced into an apology over something she said.. thats why she had an answer like " its a human with boobs"
i might be wrong but im fairly sure. Its a little unfair to be dunking on her like that.
Dan is fucking hilarious
Get jordan on the show and let him bury you with facts ethan, He will make you look stupid
How does Ethan not see the irony and hypocrisy of nearly everything he does nowadays? Sad to see.
Resentment blinds you of your flaws.
Ethan: I don’t like transphobia
Transphobs: man Ethan really has fallen far from grace I wonder what happened
@@125hammy Do you truly believe that that is why people have grown to dislike him?
@@Zactastical Kinda yea
Jorden has never thought that "trans womman" are real womman so why you brining this up now? you had him on the podcast, why didnt you bring it up too him to his face if it bothers you so much ?
Idk who needs to hear this, but no one needs your resignation letter as a subby. 🙄
Idk who needs to hear this, but no one needs you to tell others and that no one needs a resignation letter as a subby
@@coreyaruecker uhyukyuk 🥴you’re so funny🖕🏼 go home if you can’t play
Jordan Peterson be like I'm Escanor Bro.
Yooooooo that feeling when you are like everything I said in an hour and a half was a highlight 😂
38:17 i hope that Page doesn’t go into wrestling. Adam Page, Ethan Page,..Elliott Page? Nah, that’s too many. Especially if they all end up in AEW.
Why do you have a mask on during a podcast?? 😂😂😂 literally can’t even understand you dude
He had covid. It’s for his co-workers
@@acidicreflux2658 masks don’t stop or do anything to covid. Less than 10% rate they work according to science
He got sick and he's in the same room as his employees, it makes sense
@@ross3015 masks do nothing look up scientific studies less than 10% effectiveness rate. Plus he pulled the mask down half the time look at the thumbnail 🧐
@@philm5147 No point in arguing with delusional people
Has this worked for anyone?
I think the reason they make a bigger deal about trans women is because they have won sporting events disproportionately more than trans men are.
lol this highlight is a whole podcast
How is Macy gray proclaiming that she is a woman offensive to trans people…. Reaching
This is disgusting on so many levels
Now watch as the jordan stans flock like sheep to this video
Oh my god I managed to get here before the hateboner JP simps flood the comments to defend their master! :0
They’re currently watching their “how to be an alpha male” videos, they’ll be here soon.
@@Derek_T Unfortunately im inclined to agree.
"nooooooo ethan what happened to youuuuu you seem so unhappy.........; you fell off since you went the woke route ;((((("
Ethan is just as insufferable
@@MorosNyx You just couldnt help yourself could you? well guess what- if you really think that way you can just actually clean your room and go outside and not ever see Ethan again.
This is literally just another 50% arguing Politics. Ethan, you need to stop acting like everyone agrees.. please.
I haven't laughed this hard in weeks. This is practically a feature film
What rules
Ethan has fallen off so hard… Its sad to see his takes
Sad to see the amount of mental illness in the comments
And in the content, of the video, too..
Vomit show
died when Dan sang at the start
This went on for way too long. Who cares?